2023 BMW M2 (G87): Don’t complain that it’s bigger!

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  • MotoMan heads to Carefree, Arizona to drive the all new 2023 ‪@BMW‬ M2 and learns that dimensional changes in moving to the G87 generation of ‪@BMWM‬2 do have an impact on the way the M2 drives, yet not in the way one would think but they do pose a question about the most basic ‪@BMWUSA‬ M4 . . .
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 220

  • @Kelveron
    @Kelveron Рік тому +59

    'Lets take 500lbs out of it, but not make it a hundred grand'. Brilliant suggestion, Motoman and an excellent review as always.

    • @jw6188
      @jw6188 Рік тому +1

      I'm sure everybody wants that but is it even possible? You can delete the seats and the sound deadening but I think the CLAR architecture that underpins this car and something like a BMW SUV has too much flexibility and cost-savings in materials baked in that engineering it to be lighter and more focused isn't possible without making an expensive bespoke chassis like a z4. Keep in mind the new CSL 3.0 based on the M4, they had to make the body panels carbon fiber to get the weight down over an m4 csl.

    • @The_Stanman
      @The_Stanman Рік тому

      ​@@jw6188 you're right, but that's issue with BMW's CLAR strategy. They deprioritized the ability to make lighter, smaller cars.
      Unfortunately it makes business sense given sales volumes (mostly SUVs) and cost savings from platform sharing.

    • @dinosoarmotorsports
      @dinosoarmotorsports Рік тому

      Agreed...hell, I'd be happy with 250lbs out of it; but 500 is better...;-)

    • @Whyusotoolbro
      @Whyusotoolbro Рік тому

      Sounds like the F87 M2

    • @peteshea8010
      @peteshea8010 5 місяців тому

      I'm a now retired mechanical design engineer and life long car enthusiast. A 500 weight reduction at anything remotely resembling this price point is pure fantasy, even with a gutted interior. Most of the weight is structural. Would need an all aluminum structure plus all carbon panels plus a stripped interior devoid of all luxury options (including AC) to even get close to that weight.

  • @mikemaslanka3786
    @mikemaslanka3786 Рік тому +15

    MotoMan, I agree with you. That is a nice looking ride! Great review as always.

  • @macstone9719
    @macstone9719 Рік тому +10

    Okay. Nice, and the grill is horizontal. No Bugs Bunny teeth 😀!

    • @steveo85
      @steveo85 Рік тому

      I dig it. It looks good here, better than the spy photos a few months ago.

  • @snick111
    @snick111 Рік тому +15

    My favorite new car by a landslide. Definitely get the carbon roof and manual unless you have a nasty daily commute. Thanks MotoMan.

    • @trevorbailey1448
      @trevorbailey1448 Рік тому

      I spec the blue with the carbon package and manual transmission for an end of may delivery.

    • @hardchemist
      @hardchemist Рік тому +1

      I like black all around. My M2s that is.

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Рік тому +3

      My pleasure!

    • @miken1460
      @miken1460 Рік тому

      My new favorite as well, but I think I would go for the automatic, because the manual gearing is too far apart and wont be as much fun on everyday roads. 1st and 2nd and 3rd are way too tall in the manual.

    • @hardchemist
      @hardchemist Рік тому

      @@miken1460 Perhaps you're right about the gearing. but if the 0.2 second 0-60 difference between the manual and the automatic holds true then that still puts the former at around 3.9 seconds and that's phenomenal for rowing your own. It wouldn't be my daily driver and instead more of a weekend vehicle until my time here comes to an end.

  • @Cinoism
    @Cinoism Рік тому +3

    Whoever defends M2 or 2 series as a whole really missed the point. Previous M2 is so great because it can actually fit 2 normal sized adult back there. New M2 is not only bigger and heavier, the rear seat space and roofline are actually worse than previous car. How is that possible? I don't know.

  • @kristy77a
    @kristy77a Рік тому +1

    Great review, thanks. As one who is half American-Irish and half Latino (paternal grandma was indigenous Mexican and my Dad was born in Guadalajara), I can say you pronounced San Luis Potosî 90% correctly. "poh-toh-SEE" is the correct way. Well done!

  • @Live-Today-Like-Your-Last-Day
    @Live-Today-Like-Your-Last-Day Рік тому +3

    Thanks for the video.
    BMW already makes the car you want...it's called the Supra 3.0 6MT...already 500lbs lighter...why not just get a stick-shift Supra instead ?

  • @cunn9305
    @cunn9305 Рік тому +7

    This is the modern version of my long gone 2001 E46 M3 2-door Manual .. one of best cars I've ever had ... Thanks !!

    • @CaptnCrunch30
      @CaptnCrunch30 7 місяців тому

      I keep saying this and just wait. People are going to want this car in 5 years

  • @willblack2306
    @willblack2306 Рік тому +1

    @Motoman delivered a complete M sermon today! Thanks mate. Brilliant video. 👌🏽

  • @carloscaro860
    @carloscaro860 Рік тому +5

    "dont complain that the car is to big". Right after "for the wishlist lets make the car 500lbs lighter".... or just make the car smaller...

  • @cheapercharlie
    @cheapercharlie 3 місяці тому

    Just a FYI, I came here from your G70 video you put out today.

  • @Only-one-life-68
    @Only-one-life-68 Рік тому +3

    The laptops on the dash ruin this car..
    Come on BMW it’s NOT a Tesla..

  • @loseerich493
    @loseerich493 Рік тому +1

    Absolute home run... with the exception of the glass dash.... dislike that design immensely. All in all, huge props to the BMW people!

  • @pilarbojorquez1080
    @pilarbojorquez1080 Рік тому +1

    BMW has proven that a car-any car- with a stiff and well- engineered chassis could both be comfortable and civilized to drive under everyday conditions and perform astonishing feats on the racetrack.

  • @FurkanCemTurfanda
    @FurkanCemTurfanda Рік тому +3

    Seeing the different reviews on this car is interesting, because some reviewers think it's a step backwards from the previous gen.

    • @The_Stanman
      @The_Stanman Рік тому +1

      Yes, this was the most positive review I've seen by far. I think reality is somewhere in the middle.

    • @362chop
      @362chop Рік тому

      M2cs👍This is a step backwards but yet not surprising.

  • @PHFilms3
    @PHFilms3 Рік тому +4

    I couldn’t think my E92 could get better looking but every time BMW comes with a new car it seems to be get better

    • @362chop
      @362chop Рік тому

      Hold on tight, never let her go.

    • @micraw714
      @micraw714 Рік тому

      Truth!

  • @Affalterbach1967
    @Affalterbach1967 Рік тому +3

    What does the car gain from 4 inches more length ? Back seat room, trunk space, easier engine service access ... ?

  • @JGV_IX
    @JGV_IX Рік тому +1

    This looks so much better in red than that baby blue…
    Looks fantastic, but I wouldn’t swop my G29 Z4 for it based on looks.

  • @benbustama3430
    @benbustama3430 Рік тому +1

    I see M-M car reviews of interest and I’m all on it. Once again, M-M delivers the goods with no frills & no BS. Short/sweet & to the point with no gimmicks! Review is spot on as usual! I concur with your assessment. Well done. Car is mega; I do wish it was a bit lighter though. Outside of weight, this is my only criticism. It’s my BMW of choice. I even like/prefer it over the last iteration… cheers/B

  • @eldogo1
    @eldogo1 Рік тому +1

    OG M2 for the win!

  • @Levente20
    @Levente20 Рік тому +3

    definetly changing my F87 for this. this is the real deal, all F87 is just a beta version. this G87 is the finished M2 what it should have been

  • @GSTRification
    @GSTRification Рік тому +2

    I agree to your design perspective. The Crown Jewel of this car is the rear quarter panel leading upto the c pillar/rear deck. It has that fat rear fenders screaming I am a rear wheel drive like the mz3 coupe and porsche 993 turbo. Homage to the e30 fender design, the front end is a bit lacking but the overall proportion, stance, and presence is spot on with the other m cars.

    • @abr5819
      @abr5819 Рік тому

      Yes! Exactly most idiots don’t understand what they are looking at , the longer wheel base makes it look better . I own e46 m3 lol

  • @MistahWorldwide
    @MistahWorldwide Рік тому +1

    1:33
    That brace on the engine is so massive. It’s like they’re taking this seriously

    • @OldSkoolUncleChris
      @OldSkoolUncleChris Рік тому

      He did say its much stiffer than the old m2

    • @mat9562
      @mat9562 Рік тому

      I believe that picture is an error. I believe that brace is from the M4 CSL

  • @alexandermcglothlin2514
    @alexandermcglothlin2514 Рік тому +1

    ALSO ON WISHLIST: Individual Manufaktur Paints!?!?!?

  • @dcengland
    @dcengland Рік тому +2

    How about BMW does what Porsche does with the T range? Base engine in the 2 series with some of the suspension from the M2 and a manual transmission for a price lower than the M2.

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Рік тому +1

      Different approach here. The engine is a HUGE part of this equation and is light years above other BMW inline sixes. Porsche on the other hand already has a great basic engine. Only real difference between each version is output - almost feels as if you are turning up the volume on the same engine.

    • @2bunphettered788
      @2bunphettered788 Рік тому

      ​@@MotoManTV so which would you take Motoman, Porsche Touring or new M2?🙂

  • @The_action_is_the_juice
    @The_action_is_the_juice Рік тому +2

    Seems like every decent BMW is $70-110k no matter what you get. Weird. Love the car, but not the weird angles.

  • @SUPERFLUID88
    @SUPERFLUID88 5 місяців тому

    I use to be a BMW hater because of my last BMW experience I’m glad I gave BMW another chance I love me M2

  • @Fluterra
    @Fluterra Рік тому +2

    Seats still crooked??

  • @CalebEvans7777
    @CalebEvans7777 Рік тому +3

    Too heavy

  • @Does_it_come_in_black
    @Does_it_come_in_black Рік тому +1

    Makes you wonder what’s in store for the M4

  • @StrumVogel
    @StrumVogel Рік тому +1

    I love the looks of this car.

  • @stevejohnson2108
    @stevejohnson2108 Рік тому

    I have one on order and since I am not tracking it I didn't get the carbon fiber package. I wanted the sunroof (I live in Florida) and the manual transmission. Love the car, you have got to see one before you pass judgement.

  • @zoner__
    @zoner__ Рік тому +2

    Cayman 4.0 is 30k more and I’d find it somehow.

  • @wackit6756
    @wackit6756 Рік тому +2

    Surprisingly, I really like the new body style and tech but what I’m disappointed in is they added the S58 engine at 453H.P. and only get 0-60 in 4.1 seconds. Meh. I realize there’s more bracing, it’s longer and wider, and and a disappointing 3900 lbs. but it seems like they’re going backwards. I searched for 2 years for a used 2018 M2 because I felt it was the perfect sized car with performance. At $73,000 there are much better choices to beat the performance stats than the 2023.🙁

    • @hardchemist
      @hardchemist Рік тому +2

      BMW always underreports their 0-60 and HP

    • @Bimmer_Bill
      @Bimmer_Bill Рік тому +1

      @@hardchemist yup it’s actually 3.7 verified with the 8 speed.

    • @hardchemist
      @hardchemist Рік тому +1

      @@Bimmer_Bill I’d guess 3.9 with the manual and some practice.

  • @unvjustintime1
    @unvjustintime1 Рік тому +4

    A Mexican German car?

  • @hardchemist
    @hardchemist Рік тому +4

    I was thinking of ordering a 2024 Mustang Dark Horse but the prices are the same as M2 so hmmmm...... Yeah, M2. Thanks for building this BMW! And thanks MotoMan for the review!!

    • @FurkanCemTurfanda
      @FurkanCemTurfanda Рік тому

      Mustang has a V8 and a handbrake though, which might be enough to sway me. I'm between the same two cars.

    • @hardchemist
      @hardchemist Рік тому +1

      @@FurkanCemTurfanda since the M2 is turbo the simple chip tuning options are outrageous bang for buck

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Рік тому +4

      I, too, am blown away by Dark Horse pricing. Once you get into that price range, there are MANY options and few would be prudent to pick the Mustang.

    • @hardchemist
      @hardchemist Рік тому

      @@MotoManTV I spec'd a Mustang GT heavily and it was only $6K away from the Dark Horse. Perhaps the Tremec 6-speed, the beefed up engine bits, and the limited production numbers will be in its favor. Looking forward to your review, sir!

  • @Hammy1TV
    @Hammy1TV Рік тому

    Sounds like BMW is piping in a throaty exhaust note through the speakers.

  • @idokwatcher2062
    @idokwatcher2062 Рік тому +1

    Don't complain? It's as large as old M4 and it's 1750KG! This is the "smallest" sports coupe they have left. It's absurd.

  • @dean827
    @dean827 Рік тому

    You have been doing this for at least 8 years Why only 250k subs

  • @MistahWorldwide
    @MistahWorldwide Рік тому +1

    2:40
    The front end looks similar to the 2012 M6. I don’t see much to complain about

  • @blues3531
    @blues3531 Рік тому +18

    Don’t complain that it’s bigger, just complain that it looks worse than the car it replaces? And man the screen that’s just stuck onto the dash looks so tacky.

    • @chamaldealwis9
      @chamaldealwis9 Рік тому +2

      Still leaps and bounds better than the interior it replaces

    • @blues3531
      @blues3531 Рік тому

      @@chamaldealwis9 with that screen? no chance. Maybe than the regular M2 sure, but not the M2 comp with the updated gauges, idrive and better seats.

    • @chamaldealwis9
      @chamaldealwis9 Рік тому +2

      @@blues3531 people complained about the previous gens screen now y'all are complaining about this 😂 I swear bmw critics are the hardest to please

    • @mireliomarzo6468
      @mireliomarzo6468 Рік тому

      🥸This is the Best looking M2 . E30 vibes . Dash looks ugly on video but seamless when in the car . And How old are you people complaining about it’s looks😂 ?

    • @AntiVersum
      @AntiVersum 6 місяців тому

      Looks absolutely better, previous one feels like it's still stuck in post-2000 visual aesthetics. That's why it feels boring, because you don't have any option than comparing previous m2 to other models. New m2 has it's own place and more character, especially with pony car vibes.

  • @concretejackson
    @concretejackson Рік тому +1

    The front looks like a 2010 Dodge Magnum

  • @farishanafiah8461
    @farishanafiah8461 Рік тому

    I think I remembered seeing that front grille design before. Completely forgotten which one is it.

  • @luigideschamps5781
    @luigideschamps5781 Рік тому

    Like the new video format, keep it up guys

  • @jefflarson4221
    @jefflarson4221 Рік тому +3

    I'll take the automatic cuz' it's faster & better; however I somehow understand the manual need to be mindset 🇺🇲

  • @ft7039
    @ft7039 8 місяців тому

    im sad and happy to be apart of this era of internal combustion cars, the peak of IC cars but the near end of them especially in manunal form.

  • @d.oliveras8012
    @d.oliveras8012 Рік тому

    Did you not mentioned the same about 2019 F87 M2 Comp. 😊

  • @RaitisRudzajs
    @RaitisRudzajs Рік тому

    Great review! Can’t wait my Black Saphire to arrive in May 🚀

  • @garrysteil6945
    @garrysteil6945 7 місяців тому

    Does anyone know if you can fit a road bike (front wheel off) in the trunk? How about skies?

  • @michaelwalker8870
    @michaelwalker8870 Рік тому

    I dont understand why this car is getting hate out the gate, "To fat to be furious"? really. This car has almost the exact same specs ilas the 6.4 hemi from the 292 SCATPACK Challeneger and Charger. This is coming from an inline 6cylinder turbo thats wild. Pulling from allmost the same powerband as an upgraded refreshed V8! These days we really are spoiled and Do Not take enough time to appreciate engineers behind these cars. It's impressive how they did that. I appreciate this review, i can tell you actually Appreciate modern engineering and quality cars

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for noticing, Michael!

    • @michaelwalker8870
      @michaelwalker8870 Рік тому

      @@MotoManTV No, Thank you for an unbiased review. As consumers we want to know what it's like from a consumer point of view and based on your review i get a since that BMW treats this like a special edition type of car, with how "different" the specs and chassis materials are from other cars in the same class. Like for instance you mentioned the car Does hug the road and tight turns but only When those 255's get that weight on the outside tires from an inside turn, maybe i would want to know that as a consumer to see if i would need to upgrade the tires or keep shopping for the type of car im looking for. Thats what i mean, thats useful to know.

  • @litspeed7940
    @litspeed7940 Рік тому

    Hopefully the aftermarket will provide some relief. The front of this car makes the grills on the m3/m4 look good.

  • @garyclark6747
    @garyclark6747 Рік тому +3

    So this M2 is going to make the previous chassis feel dated in comparison an is why there is bemoaning. It’s still going to work well on narrow roads in Europe and is a great size for the US market. Nice analysis and presentation. 💯#funperpound #m2nirvana 11:00

    • @cwx8
      @cwx8 Рік тому

      It doesn't though. Lower power to weight than the last f87, less rear headroom, cast wheels, less standard CF, peakier boost, hideous styling. No thanks.

    • @ToneysReviews
      @ToneysReviews Рік тому

      @@cwx8 Not to mention that the m240i is faster. The m2 (older one)out performed the lesser model when it launched. The m2 is a failure. Get a m240i and throw an aftermarket suspension on it

    • @kimeric7673
      @kimeric7673 Рік тому

      @@ToneysReviews what about F87 M2 competition? huh? That will ruin the m240i on the track.

    • @ToneysReviews
      @ToneysReviews Рік тому

      @@kimeric7673 you do realize the m240i has been pitted against the comp and beat it. See throttle house

    • @kimeric7673
      @kimeric7673 Рік тому +1

      @@ToneysReviews No you are wrong. B58 can't beat the S55. m240i is not even a real M.

  • @Acquit808
    @Acquit808 Рік тому +4

    If only they would actually put real gauges in the car. The tack on screens really hurt an otherwise good effort

  • @seinsmeld13
    @seinsmeld13 Рік тому

    WOW!!!!!!!!! Great car which I ordered a few weeks ago. I can't wait for her to arrive🥶

    • @rembo183
      @rembo183 Рік тому

      I was going to buy one but the $10k markup killed it.

    • @seinsmeld13
      @seinsmeld13 Рік тому

      @@rembo183 Where is this markup you speak of?

  • @Arkeo36
    @Arkeo36 Рік тому +3

    It's as big as a mustang, the profile looks like a mustang, it's as heavy as a mustsng, so why not save money and just....

  • @Doctor_Martain
    @Doctor_Martain Рік тому

    I may be mistaken but this M2 is nearly the same size as the previous generation's 4 series. Not a bad looking car at all.

  • @almcdaniel1035
    @almcdaniel1035 Рік тому

    The front lights in proportion to the grille looks like the current z4. (To me)

  • @Carrman2020
    @Carrman2020 Рік тому

    Actually looks better than the XM, i7, X7 - hold on this list is never going to end…..!!! But wait for the Competition or CSL - you know it will be even better!!

  • @wlopezmendez
    @wlopezmendez Рік тому +3

    Manual, sunroof and standard seats for me.

  • @joegreen678
    @joegreen678 9 місяців тому

    Great car.

  • @edrozenberg
    @edrozenberg Рік тому

    “Take 500 lbs out of it” - Yes! Great video as always thank you.

  • @derbagger22
    @derbagger22 Рік тому

    My only complaint on the styling is that the grilles without any type of trim around the border makes it look a bit economy car-ish. I do like the overall shape of the grilles...

    • @carcosaterp3393
      @carcosaterp3393 Рік тому

      The M3 and M4 doesn’t have any trim around their grills either

  • @bobkaiser8782
    @bobkaiser8782 Рік тому

    I knew Baby Jesus wanted me to have this car!!

  • @solarflare1008
    @solarflare1008 9 місяців тому +1

    Long live the manual transmission.

  • @lambrosstamos4494
    @lambrosstamos4494 Рік тому

    With the M Performance Parts body kit, please. Skip the big wing, though. I want the CSL fixed bucket seats. Back seat delete plus a clubsport type of roll cage. In fact, I want a M2 CSL.

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Рік тому +1

      Not a bad idea . . . but as stated in the episode, not US$100,000.

  • @rscholey85
    @rscholey85 Рік тому +2

    Same old same old it’s heavier more power it’s bigger but better because it’s new, throttle house is where the reviews are they aren’t worried about upsetting a brand 😂

  • @robertseidl6798
    @robertseidl6798 Рік тому

    Nice review.

  • @2bunphettered788
    @2bunphettered788 Рік тому

    Looks best in red. ❤

  • @IceDree
    @IceDree Рік тому

    Chunky, But Funky.
    I'd pick it over an M4, but I may have second thoughts against an M3.
    M, kudos to you and your cameraman, Toronto Red is kinda dull, but you guys made it really pop against the desert background.

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Рік тому

      I am going to steal your first line.

  • @air-headedaviator1805
    @air-headedaviator1805 Рік тому +1

    My guy says don’t complain that its too big and then says pull a quarter ton of weight out of it 🙃
    6:02 additionally, of the M2 in character and price is approaching an M4, what exactly does it offer over other M cars? Its not exactly far fetched to suggest someone may just pursue the overall faster M4 vs its slower yet similar driving alternative

  • @jonasirw1
    @jonasirw1 Рік тому

    I love the new design but it seems to be polarizing for some reason that I fail to understand. My buddy who’s a big car guy absolutely hates the way it looks for some reason

  • @crisbwilliams
    @crisbwilliams Рік тому +3

    Ugly is the new design language now I see.

  • @peterwood2633
    @peterwood2633 Рік тому

    Are your quoted 0-60's correct? I thought 4.1 and 4.3 quoted

  • @quantttum
    @quantttum Рік тому

    Motoman is another reviewer who got convinced by BMW to love this pig. So far, only throttle house has kept it real.

    • @quantttum
      @quantttum Рік тому

      ua-cam.com/video/5uT4s_NWBN0/v-deo.html

  • @jjlad5037
    @jjlad5037 Рік тому

    Do the rear sets fold down?

  • @billm47645
    @billm47645 Рік тому

    I hear there is a two year backlog. Not sure why these OEMs pay to have journalists come to press events only to make a few thousand a vehicle while the dealer network plays games and markups. Hence why my BMW M340 was replaced by a Tesla. If these traditional OEMs want to survive in the long run start building cars that people want and stop playing games.

  • @joelritenour6751
    @joelritenour6751 Рік тому

    I like the grill. It does remind of a classic Pontiac. By the way, I’m putting a deposit on one on Monday!

  • @deanfisher1656
    @deanfisher1656 7 місяців тому

    Love the look of this car…..with aftermarket carbon on it……it looks like it came right off the race track with those flared fenders. Waaaay cool. That glass dash sucks. Round analog looking gauges are the it factor. Take a lesson from Porsche.

  • @aaaaachew
    @aaaaachew Рік тому +7

    The pornography of this car is the equivalent of Rosanne Barr sliding down a pole that has no grease on it. It’s hideous but like all things, only to my eyes. I would take a used M2 over this any day.

  • @StephenButlerOne
    @StephenButlerOne Рік тому

    U don't think I'd bother with the performance pack. I'd probably want the glass roof, and It would be extremely rare that I'd need to go over 155.
    But tbh I'd rather have caymen S.

  • @jeffs6090
    @jeffs6090 Рік тому

    I'd like to see this with a huge swan mounted spoiler on it!

  • @WFO.
    @WFO. Рік тому +1

    Moto Man- Would you buy a C8 Corvette or the M2?

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Рік тому +2

      VERY good question. Also a tough one, but does come down to money. The C8 I would want - aside from Z06 is US$85,000+. The M2 I would want is the basic car, no carbon roof but depending on cost, the carbon buckets. Manual, of course, If the delta were US$20,000, combined with a manual, I would lean M2.

  • @francisgomes9976
    @francisgomes9976 Рік тому +3

    There is a 3900 pounds elephant in the room

    • @MW-uy3np
      @MW-uy3np Рік тому +1

      holy crap 3900 lbs! I haven't watched the video yet. I own a M2 CS that's lightened with CF Bucket seats and Titanium Exhaust and Alcon Front brakes. I bet mine it's 3300 lbs ish. BMW just doesn't care about weight anymore. They always try to make it up with a dialed in suspension so you can't "Feel" the weight.

    • @francisgomes9976
      @francisgomes9976 Рік тому +2

      @@MW-uy3np yup it's unbelievable how a some veriant of M4 weighs less than "small, nimble" M2.
      This car shouldn't weigh more than 3500 lbs even with modern techs and everything, no excuse. I have a 2015 m235i I was looking for this gen M2 for the upgrade but.. maybe I will just look elsewhere.

  • @derbagger22
    @derbagger22 Рік тому +6

    It's good to see BMW can actually still make a driver's car........

    • @Fluterra
      @Fluterra Рік тому +3

      It would be if they could. This is not a good example.

  • @Carrman2020
    @Carrman2020 Рік тому

    Understand that the press weren’t happy at the press launch in Arizona with the slow speed limits (noticed you weren’t pushing it?) and straight roads…..

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Рік тому +2

      Not certain where you heard that . . . BMW arranged for a stretch of road to be closed by the Maricopa County Sheriff. As for Arizona roads, I am proud Arizona State Sun Devil so in this episode as well as the BMW XM episode (ua-cam.com/video/sLvDkBtXSPM/v-deo.html), I ditched the drive route and went back to the roads I flogged my FC RX-7 & Supra back in the day . . .

    • @Carrman2020
      @Carrman2020 Рік тому

      @@MotoManTV Autocar - well done for ditching the route......local knowledge is a good thing!

  • @richardhetzel329
    @richardhetzel329 Рік тому

    Too bad you can't get the roof without a sunroof unless you option the $2600 carbon fiber roof. I never use sunroofs, but I won't be tracking the car either.

  • @loverofgod6176
    @loverofgod6176 Рік тому

    Why did BMW feel the need to copy the Honda Civic Type R rear end side 'vents'...

  • @Fluterra
    @Fluterra Рік тому

    Two arms on the side mirrors are broken 😂

  • @Fluterra
    @Fluterra Рік тому

    Crooked seats fixed??

  • @mfbikle
    @mfbikle Рік тому

    Amen

  • @xchazz86
    @xchazz86 Рік тому +1

    With great power comes great corruption is the new saying.

  • @aidancoggins534
    @aidancoggins534 Рік тому +1

    It’s cool looking but by no means pretty. Still dig it for what it is. (And I can get a sunroof 😊)

  • @kevinb.jonesphotography4571

    #BABYJESUS

  • @ronnymb67
    @ronnymb67 Рік тому

    Not bad overall. Since everything is now the size of the vehicle above it 10, 20, 30 years ago, I view it as being the M3 of yore, available today. Especially at 3800lbs. It's no longer an M2. It's an M3.

  • @A-GoldenBar
    @A-GoldenBar Рік тому

    The front failed

  • @videogazer801
    @videogazer801 Рік тому +1

    Nope, it’s still too heavy

  • @jareknowak8712
    @jareknowak8712 Рік тому +1

    ....1.700kg+

  • @stevecotterill7981
    @stevecotterill7981 Рік тому +1

    Dislike the dash… looks cheap imo.

  • @luxdavidnyc3793
    @luxdavidnyc3793 Рік тому

    Is it just me, or does the profile look like a Mistang?

  • @Fluterra
    @Fluterra Рік тому +3

    It’s Beyond Ugly. It’s just Poor Design. No design, really. Look at the front end! The square air intake with the curved ‘kidney’ grills - just doesn’t work!