The Small World of Pokemon's Menu Sprites
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2024
- For a long time now, Pokemon has been using 3D models ever since the shift back in 2013. Although many were disappointed or wished that the choice was reversed, there still was an aspect that remained in the beloved style - the menu sprites. Though, did that mean anything? And did they even last that long themselves?
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There are so many facets towards pixel art that makes it so charming and timeless in comparison to the sprites.
Even though the change was made for simplicities sake, having the dexit and reduced dexs makes this change sort of irrelevant
In Gen 1 there were 11 sprites. You forgot the Nidoking/Statue sprite.
I've always loved the gen 3-5 menu sprites. They've always had so much charm. I was so sad when they were replaced in X and Y.
Nitpick, but I hate how inconsistent the spite sizes are in LGPE. If they weren't going to upscale all final evolutions, they should've either done it by size (ie: the biggest Pokemon in the dex get big sprites) or they should've only done it for Pokemon with Mega Evolutions. Or even only done it for legendaries. Idk, just some kind of pattern so that it isn't so haphazard.
I agree so much! If every final stage at the very least would have gotten the high-res, polished bigger sprites, then LGPE easily would take the w for best menu sprites, even with them having no animations comparing to others in mind :o
At least some fanmade sprites do exist that solve the LGPE issue.
I’ve seen them in that quiz website where you can name all Pokémon from memory.
I don’t like how raichu, ninetales etc get upscaled sprites but their alolan forms don’t get changed since Sun and moon but the website makes them how they should be.
I find it really funny how Game Freak ditched sprites to make work easier, yet, kept the same battle system, didn't even try to make the Pokemon's powers to come from the right places (like water related attacks from Blastoise coming from it's cannons, maybe with a special animation for it)... it seams Pokémon Company wanna make the most money out of the smallest budget and work time for Game Freak
To be fair.. they finally fixed Blastoise and it shooting from it's cannons in Scarlet/Violet haha
@@RetroNC oooh... I didn't know about that, but I also barely watched stuff about the Switch games and can't play them because I only have two 10 year old laptops and no money for a Nintendo Switch. Still sucks it took that long for them to fix that, could've happened AT LEAST on the 3DS already...
And tbh I wouldn't wanna buy a barely finished game for R$300 (Nintendo never lower prices nor adapts them for Brazil, selling every game for almost 1/5 of a minimal salary, and they used to be even more expensive a few years ago since the games costed R$350~400 and the minimal salary was also lower [R$1039~1240 from 2020 to 2022], I kinda despise Nintendo nowadays due to that, despite most their products always being overpriced here at my country tbh, even the Wii wasn't popular here, on the Wii's golden age everyone was buying ps2s around here and the NDS was their only console that was kinda accessible, as well as the NES and SNES, on the late 90s/early 2000s, with the NES clones being sold as fake ps1s...)
Spoken like a person who doesn’t have the first clue how a multimillion company works, marketing or economics.
@@ShaftCommander I'm well aware Pokémon barely changes their combat system because even slight changes already make people bitch about it, as well as the fact people buy a pokemon game expecting specific things, and that a multimillionaire company won't risk their precious money to make a more expensive game under the possibility of it fail and ruin their billionaire franchise. And I have also read about how pathetically low the pokemon games budgets are, with also not that many people working on each new game, specially for such a huge franchise.
I hope you do some research about pokemon's development one day. You will be surprised at how ignorantly uneducated you sound right now to people who have......
"we can't put all the pokemon in new games, it's too much work for us 🥺"
*makes workers redraw menu sprites for each pokemon 6000 times*
the final sprites do look good af tho
i really like that scyther
Nice to see I'm not the only one upset that Game Freak ditched the sprites, I feel like it's just for corporate image or something, because I can't even think how it'd be easier to develop
It's just how it is sometimes I guess
i mean making 1 model i in fact easier than drawing 2 images, plus it lets you get a fuller look and more animations
@@Gamebuilder2000 while this is true, every Pokemon still gets a unique vector illustration that is used as their menu icon, which I believe is what the original comment is referencing. Just as much labor to create those as it would be to create a bitmap sprite and keep a series tradition alive.
I adore the gen 3-5 sprite style. So goofy yet it's clear what Pokémon it is. Gen 6-7 is neat too, same but more refined. I personally really dislike the giant sprites of gen 8 and am glad we've moved on to mini artworks on the menu in replacement. The only reason I even dislike the big sprites is the lack of consistency with it. Dedenne gets a big sprite but not Morpeko? Unfezant gets a big sprite yet Tranquil remains the same size as Pidove? And Alolan forms seem to get forgotten too with small menu sprites.
The fat dude sprite in gen is funny cause the head alone looks like an unamused Kirby
im an amatuer pokemon spriter, i make these kinda sprites (xy style) for a fangame i sprite for, i absolutely was so excited to find this channel, since i've been going into this completely blind and yeah, overall this channel is great and you earnt my subscribe in so many diffrent ways!
I mean. Unless the drawings are vector based in bsdp and sv, (which I doubt considering the loading issues) the new sprites are still pixels. Just a lot of them.
The icon sprites give us.. an omniscient feeling
Sneasel just has a permanent cramp in both hands, just like Gladion.
You actually got a point
Very good video. Well done
I can't believe how generic pokemon sprites were way back then.
Why would you even make the pokemon size to make sense when they only have limited pixels to draw with. Are you expecting a wailord then compare it to a tiny dot that is pickachu? Great vid btw.
Good video RetroNC
Idk man
Personally I really like the BDSP/SV menu sprites too
I hate them
GIVE ME BACK MY PIXEL SPRITES
Big fan of the gen 6/7 style menu sprites. I think they were perfect. Some looked goofy but they’re menu sprites they’re supposed to be small and lack some details. They even went above and beyond to give asymmetrical Pokémon a second menu sprite for when they had to flip them in amie/pelago.
I really didn’t like the larger more detailed menu sprites some Pokémon got starting in let’s go because I feel like it defeats the point of using pixel art menu sprites at all, and also they were super inconsistent which Pokémon did and didn’t get them. Even in SwSh, it wasn’t every final stage (ditto), and it wasn’t only final stages (wailmer) that got them.
I can appreciate that the BDSP/SV style sprites are often in the same poses as the old pixel art sprites were but most don’t and feel so soulless being just the 3D model in the default pose with a filter over it, but hey at least they fit the artstyle of the games they’re in unlike let’s go and SwSh.
Completely forgot about the special amie/pelago sprites for the asymmetrical sprites, you're totally right!
I miss sprites so much..
Who Yassified Rayquaza?
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@@RetroNC So many of my hyperspecific interests in one channel, what else could I ask for?
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wait.. am I?
@@RetroNC you do a very convincing robot voice thats for sure
Make Pokémon sprites 2D again.
I HAVE BEEN WAITING AGEA FOR SOMEONE TO TALK ABT HOW BEAUTIFUL THE BOX SPRITES ARE FINALLY
My least favourite thing about scarlet wnd violet are those smooth bdsp Pokémon sprites! Hopefully they return in gen 10 (pixels)
I want sprites back. Gen 5 was perfect. I dont like 3D. End of rant.
Is this a summary? Thanks if it is
Even though models seem like the logical next step - they're not convincing me currently with their execution of it, which doesn't help 3D's side either😵
@@Serperior1212 No, just my opinion
@@Nako3gen 5 is the only 2D I can accept. They were animated so well and the older 2D just makes them look more like cardboard cutouts when they don’t have those little animations when you send them out like in gen 2-4. 3D isn’t even bad in general, if that was the case people would hate breath of the wild. 3D Pokémon can looks good but it’s just taking way too long.
Personally to me it's gen 3 we're from mid to awful, gen 4 and 5 improved and gen 6 was weirdly great. Gen 8 I personally rlly loved but gen 9 was lame
i hate to break it to you but 3d models do the opposite of limiting creativity in designs
frrr like what ☠️☠️☠️
I think he meant for it as more of a “there’s less creative liberties taken in the transition from art to game” and less “3D bad”
@@inuvoxx yeah but for me at least it seems like that’s just false, personally I think the designs, inspirations and concepts have gone more in depth in more new designs while also having the classic simple mons like flamigo who still fit within the region they’re from like Alola and Galar are the perfect example where so many mons are so well thought out to fit and still look cool, cute or goofy
@@blasty5935 I think you’re misunderstanding the meaning of the term “creative liberties” here, in terms of design
Basically, in the transition between design to spritework, some Pokemon looked a bit… off in terms of their design at the end of the process, namely in gens 1 and 2, though it did get better as the years wore on and designs generally got more accurate through the transition, until we got to the models where they could be fully standardized.
@@inuvoxx that’s nothing to do with creative liberties then?? That’s just transitioning from 2d to 3d
i loved those sprites. they were so charming and were remnants of the old pokemon sprites in battle but they just had to get rid of them in gen 9 🤷🏼♀️
At the very least they still remain in the old games, so we didn't get the worst case scenario haha
I wish they would let us fight all the gyms in a game like gen 2
enough with nostalgia fanboys. 3d models are way better. Gen 5 had atrocious back sprites. It was so pixaleted it looked like something from the nes era. Which is why i cant stand those games. Thank god they got rid of it. i'm sick of cool pokemon designs who have bad back sprites
to each their own ig, but i definetly liked the sprites more because of the charm they had
not that i hate the 3d models, but the pixelated style was just so satisfying, even gen 6 was kind of a balance between the 3d models with a more pixel-like look, which is why they have my favorite aesthetic of any games from the series
also i dont get it, the gen 5 sprites look just fine to me 😭