Isiah Thomas makes the case for LeBron James being the greatest all-around player ever | First Take
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- Опубліковано 23 лют 2022
- Stephen A. Smith and Isiah Thomas discuss whether LeBron James is the greatest all-around NBA player of all-time.
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Isiah the only man in NBA history who beat Larry Bird , Magic , and Jordan in their PRIME
The pistons did if i'm not mistaking
I love how Isiah says MJ beat the Pistons when they were old, yet Bird was *older* than Isiah was when the Pistons finally beat the Celtics in 1988. Make it make sense.
Wasn’t MJ in like his third season?
@@kenfils7241 So dont say MJ beat utah
Yes but Magic and Bird beat him and his Pistons too.. Magic won the most in the 80s...
Thomas spitting straight facts
They cut It short in this segment, I wanted to hear more FACTS
i was taught to never trust someone who’s always smiling 💯
😂😂
😅😅
But he's telling the truth
Sure. You want a guy who gives you the finger every time? That's you, bro.
Well then you’re a fool because ESPN has been lying to you about MJ. Never beat Bird or Magic/Kareem. The NBA had to add flagrant fouls just so the Bulls could beat the old/injured bad boy Pistons. The NBA added expansion teams that watered down the talent of each team, pretty much allowing the Bulls to easily destroy all their competition. MJ was 1-9 in the playoffs without Pippen. The Bulls won lots of games when MJ went to play baseball. The NBA added zone defense after MJ’s Bulls were no longer a thing (if they had added it earlier there’s no way MJ would have averaged 30 for his career).
The Pistons were called the "Bad Boys" for a reason. They did Jordon so bad they were later called the Jordon killers.
@Aaron9 when Dennis Rodman played for the Pistons earlier in his career they were shutting Jordan down
@@higherheights3105 alot hard fouls were part of the game. Nobody flopped like they did in the early 2010’s-2015’s
They were called they Bad boys but later turnes into the cry babies for getting swept and tossed out like trash. Bulls fan for life. Isiah thomas can cry till he die.
.. until he killed THEM
Wll forever be bitter for not being admitted in that Dream Team, no argument of this guy against Jordan can be objective.
Those facts would've been hidden if he liked Jordan. Kinda a good thing he hates him cause we can get the unbias truth.
@@neutralgenius25 i agree
ISAIAH THOMAS SAYING NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!
Not really accurate. Being the better all around players means you need to play on both sides of the ball. Jordan was a 3 time steals leader and also won defensive player of the year. Lebron hasn't led the league in a defensive stat his entire career, so that right there proves that comment false.
Facts 💯
Your right but this is they come back is to hate LBJ
Facts!!!!
Yeah the truth, with a lot of clever spin to fit his agenda
Isaiah Thomas ain’t lying tho💯
Of course Zeke wont take MJ..
He may not be lying but he is spinning things to fit his hatred of MJ
Isiah Thomas after all these years is still hating on Michael Jordan.. I just don’t understand it this is why people don’t respect him
He letting the truth be told
This man saying MJ was the mvp and dpoy and still got beat 4-1, is exactly like KG saying “He couldn’t beat all 5 of us 🤡”🤣
To be fair. MJ still holding a grudge on Barkley and many others. All these guys need to just let things go
@@matthoffman6962 True
He’s just telling the truth. Jordansexuals are beyond delusional
Isaiah just dropped the mike on Mike LOL!
@Aaron9 MJ played for 15 seasons. What say you about the 9 seasons he sat out? LOL!
wet dreams fool lol
You know what is funny? If you are a Jordan person... everything that other players say are only valid if they speak about Jordan being the goat. If they make the case for anyone else, its labeled as "hate".
This is Isiah Thomas talking LOL cmon now man. Find somebody else to make Lebron GOAT case.
@@MrGenexxx u JORDAN SEXUAL
ON GOD HIMSELF
In this case that assumption is more than warranted
@@MrGenexxx were did Isaiah lie? He spit facts
Love Isiah for for keeping this rivalry going for 40 years
lol stupid
Thomas getting PTSD from mj kicking him off the dream team
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Hahaha thomas beats jordan when jordan in his prime, he alost beats larry bird and etc. Mj never did that. Haters gonna hate. 😂😂😂 Mj is not the goat. Emotions and popularities yes, but not facts.
@@arjunabeta3125 GETTEM
@@arjunabeta3125 facts
how old are you???
Steven A face when the word SWEPT came up
He hates on Jordan for getting swept by Celtics then proceeds to say Jordan swept us. This guys hate for jordan is sooo evident.
Also the fact lebron is GOAT is evident
@@ingislakur no
He never lied .. wat he said was facts how is that hate tho i dont understand?
No hate he beat jordan in the playoffs 3yrs straight
When someone calls anyone else other than jordan its labeled as "hate" but yall won't hesitate to trash lebron and any other legend legacy when comparing them to jordan foh
Stephen A Smith is trying so hard to defend MJ in the 80s 😂😂😂
Facts.
He doesn't need to
Jordan was considered the GOAT in college and Isiah knows this
Isiah always trying HARDER to defend Lebum
Isiiah is a big reason Jordan always was called GOAT caused he whipped that A hole from day 1
The 90s was pretty weak outside of the Bulls and when bringing up MJ's best competition, they always mention 80s teams
Not weak, Jordan was that great where he didnt allow anyone else to win. He didnt go join another team to win but still lose.
@@AB1B1 that's because he had all-stars already around him
@@AssWhooperP LeBron went to Miami and still loss
@@AB1B1 and won 2x if cleveland had a Jerry Krause in office Lebron doesn't leave cleveland but that didn't happen for him cuz best believe if jordan went through the same thing he would've definitely left chicago and start a potential dynasty with other stars
ALL FACTS ZEKE!!!!!!
If Michael Jordan had the 90s roster during the 80s he would how dominant the Celtics sixers lakers and bad boy pistons
Why should everything be "if" for Jordan and others one way?
Willie riding Jordan meat hard in these comments.
@@thetruth6396Bruh. They livee using ifs and hypotheticals with MJ to give him hypothetical praise. Then they use ifs and hypotheticals to tear down other players. Lol
He had Orlando Oakley Grant Pippen Kukoc and never beat them onxe they got old he started winning. If you tell me in the 90s he would beat them thats an hypothetical and the fact os he dint beat anybody
I love you Zeek keep telling the truth and the facts
Wasn't Jabber at the end when the Pistons won the championship
He dont wanna talk about that
Yes he was, bird was also out due to back injuries, hence why they finally broke through.
Zeke likes to think he won straight away and was FMVP at every finals win, with multiple MVPs, DPOY - he would also tell you that he was ‘robbed’ in 88 and should’ve 3peated 🙄 the guy is full of excuses, probably why he likes LBJ so much - full of excuses.
Who did Larry have in the 80s? All-stars McHale, Parish, DJ; and all time great coach in KC Jones. Isaiah also had an incredibly deep Pistons team including Laimbeer (4 x all star), Dumars (finals mvp) and more. Lakers had Magic, Kareem, finals mvp Worthy, prime Scott and all star AC green.
Who were Jordan's teammates in the 80s? Pipped wasn't drafted until 87 and wasn't an all star until 1990. Horace Grant also wasn't drafted until 87. Phil Jackson only became head coach in 89.
To make the case that Jordan isn't the best because of his lack of winning in the 80s is weak. No one wins a championship in the NBA against other great teams and great players unless they have the necessary pieces.
Isaiah has too much history and animosity towards Jordan to be objective in this discussion.
Well in his defense he did lose to him multiple times🤣
But the argument is he is black jesus, so black jesus should have been able to beat the pistons, Lakers, Celtics in their prime. Even if his teammates were crackheads. The point is MJ was a great player who got the necessary help needed to win like other greats. So if he only started winning after he got a Great GM, Coach and teammates, then we have to use other statistical categories when comparing great players. Either that, or we stop the b.s. and crown Bill Russell the goat.
Yall I don't make that same argument for Lebron when he went against the Spurs with that Cleveland team in 2007.
@@Icetillidie I know what you mean, but I'm not saying that you can't make the case for other players. Bill Russel's 11 championships are amazing. I'm saying you can't take away from Jordan's greatness because he didn't win championships in the 80s, which is what Isiah is trying to put across.
@@Icetillidie you can't crown Russell the goat because he was 20x better and taller than all of his opponents. And no great player has won without a counterpart. And let's be honest MJ made Scottie Pippen who he is
Y’all saying he salty where did he lie?
By saying they was old when they lost. Made every excuse why they lost instead of just saying they lost
@Aaron9 I may not agree but at the same time there aren't huge flaws in his game except he isn't a phenomenal shooter
@Aaron9 so who is it then
He didn't lie bro
I might be the only one whole love Isiah routinely hating on Jordan. Jordan kept him off the dream team, and proceeded to rub it in on the last dance. It’s smoke forever from then on out.
facts. evrybody wana d ride now
LMAO this half trolling from Thomas is always funny af. The reaction on everyone's face bracing for his "great players" hot takes 😆
One day we will realize Isiah isn't hating. Everything he said is genuinely true.
Hopefully another player from their era will speak up so people can't assume it's personal against Jordan. I feel sorry for Isiah
@@billycarter1798
Bill laimbeer
IT had some good valid points tho Jordan did beat a old broken down bird,magic,etc wow
Isiah conveniently leaves out that Bird was 31 when the Pistons beat the Celtics in 1988 and didn't even play the next year in 1989 when the Pistons beat the Celtics again. He'll criticize Jordan for something yet completely leave it out when he benefits from the same thing.
Jordan is 0-3 vs bird
Lebron lost to an old broken down Spurs team
And just about all the Mavs were old and broken down (Caron Butler didn't even play) except for Dirk
Magic was in the finals tho so how was he broken down lol
If isiah says mj not the goat yall say he hating but when Paul pierce says lebron not the goat yall say it’s facts
That’s because isiah and Jordan have beef that go back decades
@@chocolatechipslime same with pierce & lebron
@@denimjeg yeah but it’s not just pierce saying it, it’s most players. How often does someone say Jordan ain’t the goat?
@@chocolatechipslime most ppl say mj but there’s been a lot of players/coaches that said lebron is the goat too
Well he hates MJ so this isn't surprising
is he Lying tho not one thing he said about Jordan and the 80s was lying he spoke the truth he maybe does hate Jordan still doesn’t change the facts about the situation 🤷🏽♂️
How can the truth be hate? Ask your self right quick did he lie?..
@@NBAKING149 we don’t know that tho he was there we wasn’t we going off of what people was saying he literally played him he would know better than most 🤷🏽♂️
@@tylerbernard4368 wait everything he said was seen it’s documented.. even if we didnt watch or even if we wasnt there we can look it up Isaiah thomas didnt lie at all
sad to see this angry little man trying to bring down jordans greatness ever since the Last Dance
“Angry little man”😂😂😂 the bitterness and hate is unbelievable
jordan was hatin on em first not lettin him be on the dream team. so i think he has a valid point to hate. but its been over 20 years hes gotta get over it.
Straight facts against fantasy narratives! Go junk Isaiah!
Bad mind & jealousy is killing Isaiah Thomas that Detroit Pistons team still heartbroken 😭 MJ take those clowns 🤡 souls
He gave facts
@@joshuadavis6442 miss what facts?
FUN FACT> Isiah Thomas and the Bad Boy Piston have a winning record against Jordan in the regular season AND in the the playoffs !!!
Finally someone to tell the truth 😂😂😂
Isaiah Thomas is definitely a Jordan hater, but he’s not lying about anything he said today. Kinda reminds me of Paul Pierce with Lebron lol
He is lying lol
He never actually beat magic
And when he beat bird bird was older than ISIAH was when Jordan beat ISIAH. ISIAH was TWENTY NINE YEARS OLD WHEN JORDAN BEAT HIM LMFAOO. THE PISTONS DYNASTY ENDED BECAUSE JORDAN ENDED IT
@The unofficial FPS balance team - No, he’s low key hating. Bird and magic were old when zeke started winning chips (going by zeke’s idiotic definition on old) and his pistons team were in the ECF going for their 3peat. MJ and the bulls destroyed them which in turned made pistons execs retire the team and bench zeke for the remainder of his career.
As for him stating LBJ is ‘all round’ this is one of those fallacies that his fan base claim with no evidence - just like the ‘LBJ makes his teammates better’. LBJ has been named defensive 1st x5 in 20yrs has lead the league once in scoring and x1 assist (poor man’s scoring title)….that’s not ‘all round’ - MJ x9 defensive 1st, x3 steals, DPOY and x10 scoring champ in 15yrs…that’s pretty well rounded…
MJ also has the HIGHEST CAREER PER in history - so not only is the guy efficient, but he plays both ends of the floor…zeke is Waaaaaay off and clearly trippin.
Some things will never change.
During those first 7 to 8 years he dragged a team the finals that Jordan wouldn’t have gotten out of the first round or made the playoffs with.
But did he win ?
@bLIZKA It wasn't the Leastern Conference in the 80's! The Sixers, Celtics, and Pistons all won from the East in the 80's. The West was FAR WORST in the 80's, as there were years that the Lakers were the only 50 win team in the conference. Both the East and the West were weaker than the 80's East because of Expansion.
@Ancestral Rage - dragged?? Pretty sure LBJ didn’t even MAKE the playoffs his first 3yrs, then it was Mike Brown who instilled defense to their squad (cavs had the best defensive rating during those playoff years), even then they fluked it to the finals ONCE and NEVER went back
MJ as a rookie never ONCE missed the playoffs and literally dragged a bunch of drug addicts/has beens to the playoffs, making it to the second round, until Pip/Horace finally developed into integral parts of the team in 88. Thats called DEVELOPING your rookies and making them better, not BUYING your team.
Give MJ that Heats team and they’re 3peating or 4peat, give MJ the cavs team in 2015 and again he’s winning that chip with back to back in 2016 - so that’s pretty much 6 straight titles until GSW called KD for help.
@@bGzzzzz exactly mfs be somehow underestimating the REAL mf GOAT Mj🐐
@@juliothom2408 he was talking bout brons comp
Jordan beating more top 75 players in the finals then Bron have !!
He never beat Larry bird in the playoffs bro 🤷🏿♂️ how is he the goat
Uh no
He didn’t beat them but he beat you… 😂
Isaiah beat Jordan more than Jordan beat Isaiah. He was telling the truth here. Regardless of how you all feel
Stephen a was spot on when IT said Jordan beat them when they where old when they team was in the conference finals if that’s the case if they where broken down at the end they wouldn’t have no business in the conference finals just admit the bulls gave y’all that work once Jordan start getting help from his team especially pippen…and joe dumars was 28 and isiah Thomas was 30 they were in the prime of their career when Jordan swept them
30 aint prime of career especially in the 80s. Hop off the Jordan brand stick
The pistons team was old & they top scorer got hurt sorry Jordan was not that guy
Zeke was hurt in 1990 😎✌
IT preaching
Ain't no way in heck anybody in the league better than Jordan I grew watching Jordan play all season not highlights and I watch now. You crazy if you think MJ ain't the best!
Just asking out of curiosity. Who's your top 5
@@nunyabusiness8498 Really got more than 5 but if I had to put something these are best individual players to me its Jordan - wilt - Gervin - Iverson- Durant
@@antt4998 I like that 5 since it covers multiple eras. I'd probably put Kobe in there over AI but AI for sure deserves to be known as one of the best players ever.
@@nunyabusiness8498 There are more players I want to add but that was just 5
Zeek with the facts 💯
SAS filibustering and waisted time.
I agree with Isaiah
I'm tired now. Let's just enjoy the both 👌🏽
Jordan fans are the 90's version for Lebron fans. Anyone that makes a case for anyone else is "hating"
No they aren’t
Talk yo ish Isaiah, Lebron the goat. Ball is about more than scoring and LeBron is top ten in scoring, assist and rebounding. Where's Jordan at on those list's
@Aaron9 and....like I said where he at on the other top ten list besides scoring...🦗🦗
It’s crazy…Isaiah is not even hating he’s just recapping what really happened… Jordan narratives leave all this out
6:46 from 2010-2016, on paper, LeBron had the best team in the NBA. So why the OKC Thunder with no experience favoured over the Heat. Why the 66 win Heat were underdogs against the Spurs in 2013. Why were they not favoured in 2015 and 2016 during the finals, even though before the season began they were odds on favorites? Just raises more question about LeBron's supposed impact and making teams better.
Only when LeBron was in Miami did he have the best team and even that is a stretch. Bosh was never that good. D Wade was never an MVP and their last year together D Wade wasn’t the same player. OKC had 3 future MVPs. Spurs have the winningest coach in NBA history. LeBron had some good coaches but none were even close to GOAT-tier.
Now with MJ… Never beat Bird or Magic/Kareem. The NBA had to add flagrant fouls just so the Bulls could beat the old/injured bad boy Pistons. The NBA added expansion teams that watered down the talent of each team, pretty much allowing the Bulls to easily destroy all their competition. MJ was 1-9 in the playoffs without Pippen. The Bulls won lots of games when MJ went to play baseball. The NBA added zone defense after MJ’s Bulls were no longer a thing (if they had added it earlier there’s no way MJ would have averaged 30 for his career).
The cards were pretty much stacked in MJ’s favor. The cards were always stacked against LeBron so he had to create his own opportunities.
@@TheRealAbraxas So I see you are just talking nonsense. Well first of all when they got their Dwyane Wade was definitely a top 5-7 player in the league and Chris Bosh was a perfect 3rd option. And that Thunder did not have a mature Russell Westbrook and James Harden was a 6th man. And let the record say that Erik Spolestra was a top 15 NBA coach of all time as they named him during the 75h anniversary of the NBA. Not to mention one of the best executives in Pat Riley. And all the media said that the Cleveland Cavaliers had the most talent and projected them to win both the 2014-15 and 2015-16 NBA titles. So please change history to benefit your argument.
With Michael Jordan, so you will blame him for losing to the 86 and 87 Celtics in his sophomore and third year but you want to exonerate LeBron from any blame for facing superteams? And Michael never faced the Celtics when the Bulls got better and they pretty handily beat the Lakers in the 91 finals. And since you bring up expansion, the expansion happened in 1988. As far as I know the Pistons won the title in 1988-89 and 1989-90, so why are the Bulls getting all the blame for that?
So you are telling me that Pippen averaging 7.9 PPG and 10.1 PPG in the 1988 playoffs was the reason that the Bulls made it out of the first round? Or was it instead of facing a stacked Celtics roster, they had a higher seed and faced the Cavs? And as for the zone, I am so tired of hearing this. There were zones in the 90s. There was help defence in the 90s. Go look at those Pistons and Knicks series and they would deploy zones where the weakside defender would stay off his man to keep an eye on Jordan. And the likes of Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson and Tracy McGrady during those early 2000s era but somehow a prime Michael Jordan would struggle? Alright.
And the flagrant foul rule did not stop the Pistons and the Knicks, the Heat or the Pacers for hammering players from going to the basket. There was literally play in the 91 playoffs against the Pistons when Dennis Rodman pushed Scottie Pippen who was in the air and into the stanchion and the referee gave nothing but a normal foul. But yeah go ahead and talk nonsense. You LeBron fans are something else. You guys just lie out of your teeth to save your idol, its embarrassing really. But have a nice day since a guy who last played 20 years ago stays rent free in the LeBron stuperfanclub.
This is one of the worst lies I've ever seen. Lebron did not have the best team on paper any year except 2011 and 2013. That's it.
Bruh u just out here lying making stuff up. Lebron has been favored in 3 finals. 2011, 2013 and 2020. He was favored in 2013. He was not an underdog. Out here lying for no reason. And furthermore it might have something to do with losing kyrie and love in the playoffs. And 2016 might have something to do with the warriors winning 73 games and breaking the bulls record. Idk that might have something to do with it.
@@sportstalkonly1442 of course because you are a LeBron James stuperfan. Thats it.
Here’s facts about Magic’s 91 team
No Kareem
No Riley
No Cooper
Worthy and Scott were hurt
Here’s facts about MJ bulls team in 80s - ZERO ALL STARS and bunch of Coke heads
Love might be fleeting, but hate, HATE last forever!
MJ in the 80s tryna make it out the east is like Bron and those early Cavs if they were in the west. Nothing was possible
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Not even comparable, 2000s Western Conference was the hardest conference ever and the 80s eastern conference had like 3 good teams lol
@@user-rk9br4lm9q 3 hall of fame teams. Throughout the 80s with the sixers from 80-83 and still solid in 84. The Bad Boy Pistons for the 2nd half of the Decade, the Larry Celtics for almost the entire decade, and a pretty good bucks squad. 3 out of the four teams either winning the title or going to the finals each year. Yeah that's a stacked conference. Yeah it's not the mid 2000s west but it's tougher than what LeBron had to overcome in terms of playoffs in the east no doubt. Not the finals but playoffs
We get it. You don't like MJ. Gotta get that hate out your heart 🙄
You’re a punk so he has to agree with MJ everything
Just speaking his truth
I like how delusional Jordan fans are. Isaiah has given Jordan his props. He just thinks Lebron is better, accept it.
@cyberbron2077 you're ASSuming I'm a Jordan fan
@@nobodyfavorite215 you don’t need to be. You’re assuming he’s hating when everything he said was factual.
Isaiah Thomas hates his guts.
Isiah the only one keeping it real
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Get him Isaiah.
Facts….
When jordan played those teams in the 80's he didn't have a complete team but he established he was the best player in the league. Then once he got a complete roster by the 90s he beat them.
THANK YOU .. someone had to state it
He hatez on MJ for life. Just hate not real opinion...
whats the point of asking Isiah Thomas for his 2 cents on GOAT conversation, he's anti-Jordan and that aint changing
What's the point of asking SAS then?
You acting like he not making sum sense ya making it out like he’s just blatantly hating majority of what he said was true if we being honest
Isaiah is so factual
Isiah Thomas ripped Stephen a new one when he told him that Michael Jordan never won in the 80s. Everyone likes to talk about 80s basketball and this is a truth. Full disclosure Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s greatest player to ever live.
Thomas is right. The story is told is the Michael Jordan conquered 15 years of NBA basketball when it’s really about 10.
Magic Johnson dominated 9 of his 11 years in NBA basketball
Thomas put some facts on them in the segment. Not opinion. Facts about NBA basketball history as it occurred.
Then why did he miss the playoffs without Oscar & Magic?? He won an MVP and his team didn't even make the playoffs. Plus in 4 of his 6 championships he was 33+years old and the no.2 option. Magic was the engine of that Lakers team.
Jordan wasn’t even in his prime in the 80s. Prime Jordan beats the 80s Celtics and Lakers
Zeek is spitting facts.Also look at the comp. Lebron went through a prime Kobe, T-Mac's prime, Paul Pierce, Giannis, KD, Klaw, Paul George. Carmelo, Luka. Jordan's comp is not touching that. The wing competition was just not what Bron saw
Assume you were born after 2000.
It's funny people think Michael Jordan is God if someone says something bad about him people lose their minds much respect for Isiah for speaking his mind
Y’all can try to hate on him but he’s speaking facts mj fans just hate to admit it 😂😂😂
💯 thats facts i don’t understand how they try and fight FACTS
Boxing match or 1 on basketball game. They have to get it in.
Why do yall get mad when someone gives their opinion? Isiah speaking facts and being called a hater. Point out where he lied at?
When he beat the Lakers for that 1st title that was him getting over the hump of the 80's teams.
MJ could not beat a Magic and Kareem team........that 1991 Lakers team is not even close to the same dynasty that was in the 80s....cut it out. Magic Kareem and Worthy woulda have mopped those bulls
@@sergiodavis9772 Dynasties don't stay young forever. You cant take nothing away from a guy that got over the hump and went on to create a dynasty for himself. This is the way the game go.
We know lebron the goat 🐐, isiah spoke all facts and the media pressure made Jordan quit basketball in his prime he would not survive this era of social media and sports shows discussing every step you make , we need to start respect that 🐐 Lebron James
ISIAH SPITTTIN 🗣🗣🗣
The bad boy piston, showtime lakers and celtics all had 5 hall of famers on the team.. Michael Jordan was the only good player on the bulls with a garbage roster around him 💯
Sounds like the 2007 Cavs that went to the finals... while along the way beating one of the best defensive teams ever in the Pistons
@@Spurs2k23 I'm a Pistons fan from Michigan and the 2007 Detroit team was old, in rebuilding mode and had already traded Ben Wallace
Isaiah is the biggest hater in the world. Dude still mad he got left off the Dream team
Not really. Just look at the stats. Zeke is speaking FACTS!!!
respect to isiah for telling the truth
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Sa said that's when he dropped 63 on Bird lol. He should of said with no weapons
1 year (2011) shouldn't diminish a 19+ year career.
So what happened in 2010? 2014? 2018?? How about playoff mode activated year 2019?? Pretty sure he quit those years very quickly. How about 2009 when he was favored to make the finals due to the EASY path, but was then destroyed by a magics team who were a joke?
But sure, it was ‘only’ 1year……
Man I'm so sick of seeing stephen a smith yell and talk nonsense. Give me more former players. Isiah Thomas and jj redick have been so refreshing to hear.
Isaiah Thomas makes some great points!
Man look who the Pistons had and look who tf the Bulls had😂
Isiah is right, Bulls never beat the Celtics in the ‘80s. The Pistons beat the aging Celtics in ‘89 with Bird age 33, Mchale age 32, and Parish age 36. Bulls dethroned the Pistons in ‘91 with Isiah age 30, Dumars age 28, Roman age 30. Bulls we’re never dethrone in ‘98 Jordan age 35 Pippen age 33, and Rodman age 37
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Imagine prime Zeke today.
SAS HATES LEBRON MORE THAN HE LOVES MJ
That’s weird Stephen a is playing like skip bayless in this role after defending him back in 2012 2013
Here we go again lol.
Illegitimate tyrants must show force to enforce their authoritarianism
Stephen A. point about Lebron in the dallas finals is valid, and in terms of moments been used to signify greatness, that was a bad moment for LJ. But let me say it like this, MJ was able to step away from the game and mentally breathe two times. In Lebron's case, when expectations became too much and the world started to hate him more after he went to Miami, he just kept playing and what we saw in Dallas was a Man child who entered the league from high school with all the expectations placed on him, finally break down. So if we are going to use that against Lebron, we have to use the two times MJ walked away from the game, and ask ourselves, which one is worst.
Michael Jordan personally told SAS that he views Isiah Thomas as the second-greatest point guard of all time. (2:59)
Funny how he hold Lebron losing a 1 final series bc that’s the only one we can say he played bad in.. I’m with isiah besides that one…how times was he favorite..especially against GSW?🤔
One?, remember how he had a championship contending roster from 2008-2010, remember him quitting in 2010? Pretty sure I remember him quitting in 2014 when the team was getting blown out, also in 2018 after losing ONE game, he basically waved the white flag the rest of the series - it was so bad EVERY analyst said that people should now just stop comparing MJ to him, Chuck went so far as to state that if anyone did he would take his chances with the judiciary system.
But sure, it was ‘ONE’ time 🙄
Can you name ONE time MJ gave up on his team in a finals series or playoff? 😂
FYI - being favorite is based on the BOOKIE believing whether the odds should be in your favour and then it gets DICTATED by the general public (ie gamblers) on if they feel the same way - so if anything it demonstrates that NO ONE believes LBJ is that great. How can you be The GOAT if people don’t have trust in you to win?
If you’re The GOAT, you will have The GOAT team and you will be favorite, plain and simple. Never have I heard anything so ridiculous as ‘hes The GOAT, but has never led the league in anything more than ONCE, can’t play defense, his teams are never the fav etc etc’ - but he’s ‘The GOAT’ 🤪🤣
He’s right…
He also beat Clyde da Glyde Drexler
Isiah is like 3-1 against mj in the playoffs if im not mistaken
Cleveland A smith is a Sports Baffoon
For him to even believe Jason Terry was Guarding Lebron in the 2011 NBA Finals every second Lebron was on the Floor is nonsense . Shawn Marion , Dirk Nowitzky , and Tyson Chandler were on Lebron Defensively too .
Let's look at this 2011 Mavs team alittle more in reality . The Mavs had a Top 10 Offense and Defense in 2011 .
They had
2 Top 50 All Time Players
4 Top 15 All Time 3 Ball Shooters
Top Stretch 4 Of All Time
Top 10 Scorer Of All Time
Top 5 PG Of All Time that was
2nd All Time in Assists and Steals that led 2 Nets Teams to the Finals in 2002 and 2003 .
A Loaded Bench of Good Role Players
A 1986 NBA Champ Player / Top Head Coach in 2011 .
This is the same Mavs team that Swept Kobe and Gasol easily . Then took out Russ and KD in the Western Conference Finals Easily .
Lebron lost the 2011 Finals to one of the Greatest NBA Western Conference Champs ever.
There's not one Team in the 90s NBA that was as Good as the 2011 Mavs .
LeBron spent 7 years in CLE and didn't win b/c there's always the maturation process and the organization got him no help. He was having to go up against DET, BOS's Big 3, etc. with no help. MJ, on the other hand, didn't start winning until the other teams that previously beat the brakes off of him got old and the Bulls got him Phil and Scottie, a fellow HOF'r.
And spend how many years before winning?
@@thetruth6396 Are you asking when LBJ started winning? In his 9th season.
Isiah didn’t even talk about LeBron this whole video lmao
Steven trying hard to act like Jordan dominated the 80s 😂
Go look at some of the starting lineups that Lebron had in the finals vs Jordan
I like how SAS tried to rebuttal IT flawless arguement by saying comparing IT saying jordan got smacced around in the 80's (didnt mention him needing PIPPEN tho) by saying it took Bron 8 or 9 years and a miami trip to win 1, but skipped over Bron CARRING the team to the finals in 07 vs The spurs when THEY ALL where in their prime... Got walloped, but like IT said, Bron wasnt the favorite in his finals appearances. Not even in 4 of em... He was favored vs. The Mavs Heat and Thunder... Not vs Spurs in 07 or either of the other 2 while in MIA. Not vs Warriors year 1 with no Love and then no Kyrie. Not even the year he beat GS down 3-1. FOR SURE not the 2 KD in GS years... Jordan's rings was ALL FAVORED and they only faced 1 great team per each playoff run...
I love how people compare Lebron at 18-24 with Michael Jordan coming out of North Carolina. Then they say Jordan was playing with bums but Lebron was playing with Damon Jones??
Really a dumb argument anyways but some people dumb it down even worse.
Y'all looking at this BS. Argument wrong Micheal got swept in the 1st round.......so did Lebron......Fact is Jordan Never saw a Game 6 in the Finals....never got swept in the. Finals never lost a finals period......don't compare apples to oranges
LEBRON NEVER GOT SWEPT IN THE 1ST RD, BUT HE DID IN THE FINALS!! KEEP YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT PUNK😂🤦🏾♂️
I agree and I’m not a MJ fan
Zeke is right
When u losin the case u just bark
OMG Stephen BARK A
isiah jealous that Jordan took Chicago from him. He says his some of his family were supporting jordan more than thye was supporting him