Guilty Gear Strive Season 3 Tier List - How Crazy is This Season?

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  • @monumin4115
    @monumin4115 Рік тому +73

    The day HC falls is the day I can finally be happy.

  • @mergo5956
    @mergo5956 Рік тому +19

    There is NO fucking way johnny is that low

    • @Pherna_1
      @Pherna_1 Рік тому +6

      No dash block moment

    • @arthuryong8562
      @arthuryong8562 Рік тому

      He struggles a bit against Sol, does he?

    • @Franko_L_L
      @Franko_L_L Рік тому +2

      I'd say he could be. The list is nothing definitive, but i agree that it's not looking good for the man

    • @hakumenx1
      @hakumenx1 Рік тому +1

      Hes not but you gotta keep in mind theyre pulling their data from a limited pool of players.
      Those players are not gobou so those players, who are not gobou, will say johnny struggles or he sucks.

    • @mergo5956
      @mergo5956 Рік тому

      @@Franko_L_Ljohnny just won a major. What now? :)

  • @Amaling
    @Amaling Рік тому +33

    HC Ram Nago and to a lesser extent Chipp are the Johnny Elphelt of this game, just accepted it at this point. Honestly they don't even effect me too much as my character does fairly well into them (one of the four lol), but it feels pretty depressing knowing the GG balance team is on crack once again

    • @massimilianodelrosso5495
      @massimilianodelrosso5495 Рік тому +12

      At least Chipp and Nago have the decency of bouncing between the top 5 and the top 10 here and there, but Happy Chaos and Ramlethal are respectively gold and silver medal since their first day in StrIVe.
      Daisuke must really like feet.

    • @arthuryong8562
      @arthuryong8562 Рік тому +1

      ​@@massimilianodelrosso5495wait, is ram already a top 1 character before happy chaos dlc?

    • @massimilianodelrosso5495
      @massimilianodelrosso5495 Рік тому +5

      @@arthuryong8562 to be fair, she shared the second place together with Leo and Nago while the first was occupied by Sol, but unlike her two colleagues, she *never* left the second position since D1.

    • @arthuryong8562
      @arthuryong8562 Рік тому

      @@massimilianodelrosso5495 Oh right, I remember. Sol in S1 can just 3-0 all characters.

    • @superchaosnova5910
      @superchaosnova5910 Рік тому +1

      Well I mean u can’t blame the balance team too much. Bringing in the brand new mechanics flipped the game on its head. Now it’s mostly about fine tuning all the changes made to each character

  • @shinygekkouga52
    @shinygekkouga52 Рік тому +6

    It’s hilarious how GL has yo-yo’d around the tier list from one patch to another

  • @NovaSlimedragon
    @NovaSlimedragon Рік тому +3

    i was having a blast with chipp at the end of season 2, and then going into this season, once i got my claws on wild assault, and really felt what it could do, i knew that chipp had to be exceptionally strong.
    wild assault wall break is a "shake my hands" win condition with positive bonus loops, and even outside of that, getting truly good confirms off of further hits of f.S or 5H or 2D is super nice, AND, if for some reason you aren't getting a wall splat with a combo, you can get a hard knockdown in so many more situations with wild assault, and that WA knockdown lets you get chipp's c.S otg j.S left/right, which is also Really Nice.
    the buff to j.236K doesnt suddenly turn air alpha into an Amazing Mixup Tool, but with the way chipp can bully people and Fill The Mental Stack, having a faster crossup is brutal at times, and Obnoxious As Hell, which is also great for mental stack abuse.
    6K is a pretty good meaty now too, being able to be timed to beat reversals, so ive been enjoying it a lot.
    and the biggest nerf to chipp, the rekka ch change, matters soooo much less for chipp than other characters who got hit by the ch change because of how chipp can still get absurd reward off of rekka kara super, regardless of the hit. its hard to react to but its definitely doable.
    dont let anyone downplay chipp, this character is cheap as fuck and i love it!!

  • @dizzi6585
    @dizzi6585 Рік тому +3

    Your tier placement of Testament suprised me, but the ressoning didn't exactly shock me. After playing Testament for a while, they feel solid, but for a lack of better words, they didn't have something ridiculous like most of the characters above them.

  • @eastcoasttone3952
    @eastcoasttone3952 Рік тому +3

    I’m just glad that May isn’t public enemy #1 in the meta discussions anymore. I just wanna play my character in peace lol

  • @TheOneSapCan
    @TheOneSapCan Рік тому +2

    I see people angry about Nago HC and Ram all the time, but the only problem child really is Nago. HC and Ram just takes knowledge and patience to beat. Nago, no matter how smart or patient you are, wins any engagement where you’re both mid range. If he couldn’t kill with his normals off of chip, it would be less of an issue, but beating a Nago at a similar skill level with any mid to close range character requires your best for at a minimum of 2 rounds, maximum of 9 rounds, and even then, playing at your best might not be enough, as you might simply just not get enough tension to FD

  • @canpakeswastaken
    @canpakeswastaken Рік тому +21

    bedmaggedon will come eventually

  • @laffy7204
    @laffy7204 Рік тому +8

    I think Bridget is top this patch and pre-patch, and I have no idea what match-ups she could possibly lose beyond maybe Baiken

  • @turkwinif
    @turkwinif Рік тому +4

    Thank goodness someone finally spittin facts about Testament

  • @SirTriton
    @SirTriton Рік тому +1

    It’s so funny how all the characters i like are either b or f tier 😂😭

  • @Flashlegz
    @Flashlegz 11 місяців тому

    Now Johnny has won a major, been playing him as a secondary to Ram, still waitin on SLAYER

  • @AchedSphinx
    @AchedSphinx Рік тому +1

    okay, i believe the best characters are happy chaos and ram, and i believe ram might be the strongest since she can convert from midrange with wild assault whereas before she couldn't really. she was already pretty stupid with positive bonus and they made positive bonus even more stupid this patch so yeah, she crazy. happy chaos is just happy chaos. the system changes don't affect him in a negative way and since he can convert off anything he doesn't need to burn burst meter or anything to convert from a normal. the wall stick giving meter is neat, but unless your character can actively contest happy chaos after you burst, he's still not in a terrible position or anything. plus all the craziness that comes with positive bonus helps him even more.
    that's before watching the video.

  • @fancyaristocrat7450
    @fancyaristocrat7450 Рік тому +2

    HC and Nago are still the best. Sol Badguy, Chipp, Millia and Sin especially have improved.
    Edit: I forgot Ram. She also got a lot better.

  • @hakumenx1
    @hakumenx1 Рік тому +3

    The intention wasn't to buff or nerf nago i think.
    It was to bring him in line with the other metered characters.
    Asuka, Sin, Happy Chaos all have to actively manage their meter and they all have absolutely dumb high low games that were also safe on block either by being + as crap or pushes them away requiring IB to punish.
    Nago was the only character who could not check you the way the rest of them could AND he had to spend more resource to make it safe.
    So now hes just like them, except his mixup isnt safe, it doesnt low profile, its not a huge disjointed overhead or low, its not plus on whiff and he still has to double down on his resource to convert or make it safe.
    He is also penalized the most out of all the metered characters.
    I mainly play Asuka and regularly fight rabdom nagos and some who come down from celestia.
    Im not bothered by this, in fact ppl being upset that nago can do what the other characters were doing for next to nothing is what really baffles me.
    Your comment about how Nagos can "abuse" high lows at round end im sorry but you lost me on this one.
    Almost everyone abuses the absolute crap out of things like this.
    When im on Asuka you best be damned Terra, tap dust, Accipitor and teleport are coming out the box.
    And unlike Nago when the other metered chatacters fail to mix you, they dont immediately lose the match.
    Im still + when you block my overhead / low.
    Asuka is easily top 5 imho.

    • @Dhamphyre
      @Dhamphyre Рік тому +2

      Lol. Tune into Hotashi’s stream sometime this season when he’s on Nago. It’ll be an educational experience for you

    • @hakumenx1
      @hakumenx1 Рік тому

      ​@Dhamphyre i watch Hotashi and NBNHMRs twitch channel and Gobous youtube channel.
      I also watched Hotashi drown in pools, NBNHMR got taken out and Gobou took it all in Japan.

    • @arron390
      @arron390 Рік тому +1

      @@hakumenx1 bro,asuka only once has these spells,especially if you are not using TC 2 and he has to sacrifice his health to be able to keep up. nago does beyblade in neutral and has a full combo into wallbreak. that only cost him 1 bar of blood. stop defending this stupid ass character. also gobou won cuz hes gobou not because of asuka, asuka lost to a nago in ceotaku. nago lost to sol not fucking asuka so stop downplaying

  • @pairofrooks
    @pairofrooks 9 місяців тому

    WA really was the best thing ever for Ky.
    Well, besides his sword becoming disjoint and him gaining a jD.

  • @ahnixcreations
    @ahnixcreations Рік тому +2

    As a Test main, there’s a lot of potential left, but it’s taking a while to cook up their dirtiest setups. I think the jury is still out until the lab monsters work out their game plan, of which I’m personally trying to lab and share some tech, but until then it’s impossible to tell for sure. I think there’s a distinct possibility that they might be A tier this version, but I can’t say for certain.

    • @penguin1of178
      @penguin1of178 Рік тому +2

      Their barebones as hell all the safejump setups will lead nowhere stop coping it’s okay 😞

    • @ahnixcreations
      @ahnixcreations Рік тому +1

      @@penguin1of178 I don’t think left/right safejump mix is barebones as hell lol, there’s some sauce in this version

    • @drexoslek2277
      @drexoslek2277 Рік тому +2

      God I hope you're right and someone cooks up something real nasty for us because Arcys has made it very clear to me that they don't want Test to be anything but a balanced mid tier at best.

  • @lincolnthemop4319
    @lincolnthemop4319 Рік тому +1

    While I think Axl is definitely stronger this patch, I think most the cast having access to better rush down and conversion (and higher damage + access to positive cause of it) due to buffs and universal mechanics hurts Axl, sorta how you mention Baiken being hurt by other characters getting stronger. Especially when his better matchups against the heavyweight characters now feel more even due to white wild assault (this is especially apparent on Nago). Full screen burst is also pretty harsh to him, since any correct prediction from full screen or 3/4ths of the screen can be bursted and the enemy can run in on you before you have much time to react, rewarding the enemy by skipping your neutral because they pressed burst. With how easy it is to access positive bonus through GB and conversion improvement too, Axl has to deal with characters at their best much faster than he did before, which can turn a lot of matchups on their head. Hes definitely still A tier, but I cant see him being better than the start of B tier either.

  • @sunnydartz8697
    @sunnydartz8697 Рік тому +4

    Sin honestly might be the counter pick character against I-No. it’s simply free.

    • @griffendesai2039
      @griffendesai2039 Рік тому

      That’s what u think

    • @Dhamphyre
      @Dhamphyre Рік тому +6

      The counterpick character to I-No is Sin or Leo or Ky or Sol or Chipp or HC or Giovanna or Nagoriyuki or Baiken or Faust or Jack-O or

  • @Skelliiie
    @Skelliiie Рік тому +6

    Testament gang...

  • @connorsutton8745
    @connorsutton8745 Рік тому +1

    I play Gio. Buffed drill kick being a true meaty after throw feels so goddamn cheap. 50% damage on hit, +15 guard crush on block, so you can just throw them again. And empty command dash is stupid good reversal bait.

    • @bassbusterx
      @bassbusterx Рік тому +1

      they gave garuda impact to gio

  • @Anklegator
    @Anklegator Рік тому +1

    spitting on that pot placement🗣

  • @SoMuchNoise1
    @SoMuchNoise1 Рік тому +8

    Man, S2 was rough as a Testament main. I felt good about them, then around the last 2-3 weeks, I was dooming a bit. Just went 0-2 at Arc Revo, when I get home, I’m switching to Nago or Gio, Test can’t live in this game

    • @skinnyboi8937
      @skinnyboi8937 Рік тому +2

      I'm a testament main as well, every time I say testament kinda sucks or loses a match up people just start telling me I'm wrong or I don't play the character. it pisses me off to no end that barely anyone sees this. There's A REASON testament has received no nerfs

    • @hakumenx1
      @hakumenx1 Рік тому

      ​@@skinnyboi8937because a lot of you are doomers, unfortunately doomers have a horrible reputation for being believed.

    • @dizzi6585
      @dizzi6585 Рік тому +2

      Definitely agree. I get the same exact excuse from other people and now I feel like im in a state of limbo where I can't decide ehether I want to go to another character or not.

  • @zekeblume566
    @zekeblume566 Рік тому

    I play Leo, and I completely agree with you, maybe I think he’s a little better than you put him, but he went from top tier to high tier, and him being 8th, relatively speaking he’s the top of the mid tier. The reason is his new tool (WA) don’t give him as much as it does other characters, it doesn’t give him crazy confirms, now he’s just good, not broken.

  • @aganaom1712
    @aganaom1712 Рік тому +2

    9:28
    Thats because last season we were using a version of the character that had to microspace counter hit 6S, had extremely limited options to approach with from full screen and were pigeonholed super hard into routing everything we possibly could into HVV.
    Sol was still viable, but it was fucking miserable. It was the most stale sol ever was and the previous version of him we were stuck with for over half a year. I dropped strive entirely because sol was so boring to play.
    He still has issues now (mostly small QoL stuff) but this version of sol is way more interesting than the previous one
    He has a confirm off of 6S again that doesnt need to be microspaced, he can effectively threaten space from way further away thanks to fafnir buff and his frame trapping, abare and even oki are better thanks to the 2k buff and the only meaningful thing we lost out of it was the wacky BR confirms.
    Legit my only problem with sol now is that routing into HVV is still the correct way to combo with the character but i am having way more fun now

  • @fibonacci37
    @fibonacci37 Рік тому +1

    I’ve never seen a game where the base roster make up almost all the top tiers

  • @having765
    @having765 Рік тому

    As a HC main I think top 5 is HC,Ram, Nago, Sol, Chipp in that order

  • @KidDracula666
    @KidDracula666 Рік тому

    100% agree about I-No. Gameplan got better, neutral got better, matchup spread mostly got better. The only problem is her worst of the worst matchups got even worse. I hate Nagoriyuki so much dog

  • @Pherna_1
    @Pherna_1 Рік тому +3

    tbh i'd put Testament below Pot.

  • @MundoSD
    @MundoSD Рік тому +2

    Mario Party Rules!

  • @arthuryong8562
    @arthuryong8562 Рік тому +2

    Has chipp been a top tier character since season 1?

    • @MeatOfJustice
      @MeatOfJustice Рік тому +1

      Yeah, he used to have a crazy divekick

  • @MeatOfJustice
    @MeatOfJustice Рік тому

    I agree with almost everything, the only "big" change I'd do is swap May and Bridget.

  • @sunnydartz8697
    @sunnydartz8697 Рік тому

    I’m leaving a comment cause you just told me approximately 27 seconds ago that I should drop a comment on your twitch stream.

  • @xcreenplay7264
    @xcreenplay7264 Рік тому +1

    23:49 As a Axl main im very Surprised that he's condisided A Tier but ill take it lol

    • @axllomein7215
      @axllomein7215 Рік тому

      I still say he always places mid to high only because people do not like to play against his style of zoning (HC is way worse), and they do not want him to be truly buffed. Axl is still my main, but it has been rough the last two seasons. I am currently learning to play Bed as my 2nd.

  • @Zato-1GGST
    @Zato-1GGST Рік тому

    I don't know who downplayed zato that hard, I don't use reddit, but I never though he was trash, just complicated, I never downplayed him this bad, I still have great succes with him (I peaked with him at floor 9, now I'm learning asuka), matter of fact I wanted a complicated character, I wanted a technical character, if he was braindead, I would't like it, I want the problems!!!
    I'm letting you know that I'm absolutely fine with the flight and eddie's empty meter refill time changes (to be longer, but 7 seconds is harsh, but fair enough), I don't think the p's nerfs were necessary
    Edit: I think wa on zato is absolutely nuts, but that's just me...

  • @OldManSilencer
    @OldManSilencer Рік тому +1

    Ky is very good this patch.

  • @nivoo5korin120
    @nivoo5korin120 Рік тому

    Bridget got nerfed because her 50/50 from rollerblade is not possible anymore

  • @Berry_Beyblade
    @Berry_Beyblade Рік тому +1

    I don't know, Beyblade being a low seems fine to me, and my opinion on that move couldn't be biased.

  • @sKinCollector
    @sKinCollector Рік тому +2

    They made ram 2 good now I can’t downplay as effectively 😔

    • @JinhC
      @JinhC Рік тому +1

      ur a pot player now tho???

    • @sKinCollector
      @sKinCollector Рік тому +1

      @@JinhC I play both

    • @JinhC
      @JinhC Рік тому +1

      funny, i heard you dropped ram bc she's bottom 2 with testament now, according to the top 64 character usage at CEOtaku

    • @sKinCollector
      @sKinCollector Рік тому +1

      @@JinhC I play ram and pot
      Both are tied for bottom 1 😤
      Low tier player fr

    • @JohnnyBlake-bu4hl
      @JohnnyBlake-bu4hl Рік тому +1

      Bow to ze feet

  • @eon993
    @eon993 Рік тому +2

    My impressions before watching are:
    Top tier: Gio, Nago, Ram, Leo?(haven't seen enough admittedly but he's still leo probably), HC
    Upper mid: Sin(maybe top needs more time), I-no, Ky, Asuka, Chipp, Sol
    Mid: Baiken, Pot, Zato
    Despair: Testament
    I think are decent but can't place: Jack-O, Bridget, Millia, May
    I think got worse but can't place: Axl, GLD, Bed

    • @Loleo2087
      @Loleo2087 Рік тому

      why test despair ~ ?

    • @eon993
      @eon993 Рік тому

      @@Loleo2087 No actual reason it just seems like they didn't have very gameplay before and I'm not sure they gained as much compared to other characters, they're probably still fine.

    • @mergo5956
      @mergo5956 Рік тому

      And johnny?

    • @Lazergician
      @Lazergician Рік тому

      Poor Anji not even in the game

  • @secretpile3435
    @secretpile3435 Рік тому +1

    If pot really is worse this season that would be pretty funny

    • @bassbusterx
      @bassbusterx Рік тому

      he is either the same ir worse, we traded being able to actually hit crouchers up close to interrupt pressure for a lack of oki from megafist which creates really finnicky situations. also HPB dmg nerf lol, yes nerf the meme super. His white wild assault, while good if it hits, has a miserable hitbox for anything that isn't vertical range. And other characters got stronger, that's by far his biggest problem

  • @mutantmangoman
    @mutantmangoman Рік тому

    Bedman? will rise up and prove you wrong!!!

  • @nekobanya
    @nekobanya Рік тому

    What the Arcs did to Millia.
    First, they reduced her moveset to the point of absurdity and complicated the game, making it practically impossible at the TOP level, which is why all of Millia's TOP players simply left the game or took other characters.
    Thanks Arcs. Seems like a fair approach to balancing. There are no words
    And now the community of this ridiculous game is babbling about the fact that Millia is almost one of the most buffed characters... It’s just funny. Clowns, I'm talking to you. Come and show what these buffs and your words are worth.

  • @nomnom9477
    @nomnom9477 Рік тому

    can''t believe the bed isnt any higher but it is true, great stream when this was filmed!

  • @Aeirion
    @Aeirion Рік тому

    I'm a Bedman main now, but I used to main Nago forever, I still play a little Nago, but these changes were really not healthy for him overall. Like he's better, but he did NOT need mix.

  • @daybreakcoder
    @daybreakcoder Рік тому

    This is a very NA specific tier list or SQ has not being playing a lot.

    • @Memokarp
      @Memokarp Рік тому +1

      Damn so true oomfie

    • @SQuirrel147
      @SQuirrel147  Рік тому +3

      I stream the game almost every day of the week and have won like 4 online brackets already this season. Not sure what you mean by NA specific

  • @DarkKnight179
    @DarkKnight179 Рік тому

    Im surprised to see so many players rate Goldlewis so low. The character has been on a tear lately, topping online and offline events alike left and right, and hss had one of the best CEOtaku spreads of any character, while also being the single most represented character in top mmr despite being a very unpopular character, and people still rate him on the same tier as Anji and May, two characters that have been doing a whole lot of nothing? Thats just so weird to me. The lowest Gold should be is A, but I think given how well he did at CEOtaku, S is more than justified at this point.
    The fS nerf, neccessary as it was and impactful as it was, does not make up for how much the general and system changes buff him, between white WA being cracked, posifive bonus being a lot stronger and the fact that nearly everyone else lost a lot of damage. Combine that with him having fewer bad matchups this patch and said matchups, besides Nago exactly, being much less common, and you get a crazy good character. Definitely too low here.

  • @AnimeRoyal_25
    @AnimeRoyal_25 Рік тому

    this patch is really top 4 (maybe top 7) or bust smh

  • @j2smovee418
    @j2smovee418 Рік тому +1

    buff zato

  • @h2_
    @h2_ Рік тому +2

    I just instantly experience so much negative emotion when HC is on the other side of my screen that it's not worth booting this game up anymore :( I would love this game if HC wasn't in it, but I don't want to play it with him as top 1 for the millionth patch.

    • @FuzionOki
      @FuzionOki Рік тому +7

      you can literally chose who you play with lmao hes not annoying to play against if you just don't play against him

    • @h2_
      @h2_ Рік тому +1

      that's not how tournament brackets work. When some to's start hosting HC-banned events, I'll be there for it doe :) @@FuzionOki

    • @picklejar7245
      @picklejar7245 Рік тому +1

      omg, go have a cry, he’s literally not even that bad. Just pick up a super fast characters like Chipp and he can’t zone.

    • @lastburning
      @lastburning Рік тому +2

      Same. Agreed. You got some stupid replies btw.

  • @nirvana1986
    @nirvana1986 Рік тому +3

    Baiken players having to finesse more this season 😫

    • @AnimeRoyal_25
      @AnimeRoyal_25 Рік тому

      ceotaku top 64 says otherwise

    • @nirvana1986
      @nirvana1986 Рік тому

      @@AnimeRoyal_25all finesse

    • @AnimeRoyal_25
      @AnimeRoyal_25 Рік тому +1

      @@nirvana1986 no ram in top 64, 5 baikens or so, baiken > ram, which means Ram takes finesse and not baiken.

    • @mikhail21
      @mikhail21 Рік тому

      What else can we do? We take what we have and work with it in the end.

    • @Amaling
      @Amaling Рік тому

      @@AnimeRoyal_25 yes let's use one early tourney as an indicator of power this definitely didn't just happen with SF6 Ceo top 8 (:

  • @Sabba3873
    @Sabba3873 Рік тому

    SQoat

  • @asome626
    @asome626 Рік тому

    Blitzcrank is rated too high here, stop upplaying him streamer.

  • @MrSupedoSpade
    @MrSupedoSpade Рік тому +1

    The Testament downplay is actually insane ngl. This has to be a major case of just underrepresentation.
    Testament has WA combos which apply stain which can be used to further the combo or for mix. Test buttons are pretty good and they have some pretty comtrolled neutral. Feels weird to consider them a light threat.

    • @Loleo2087
      @Loleo2087 Рік тому +2

      no more upplay esp if ur not going to play them three buffs and years of upplaying for a bottom 3 chara thx ~