DON'T BUY THIS CAR - 2012-2014 Honda CRV
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- Опубліковано 30 гру 2021
- Well I hate to have to make a video like this, but in the interest of looking out for those of you shopping the used car market and thinking that all Honda's are reliable, good vehicles, I had to warn you! The 4th generation Honda CR-V and 08-12 Honda Accord with the same 2.4 engine suffers from a pretty common fault. The VCT actuator starts to go bad and a loud grind or metal on metal sound emits from the engine on cold starts, usually first thing in the morning. This problem usually starts only on very cold mornings when the vehicle has not run for a while and all the oil has run down out of the top of the motor and then gets worse and worse until it is doing it all the time. In my case, I paid a Honda dealer almost $1,000 dollars to replace the VTC actuator just to have the problem come back a month and 2,000 miles later. Unfortunately this is a common scenario and although Honda has released 2 different service bulletins to dealers concerning the issue, instructing them to replace the actuator with a revised part, it usually fails also. If you want to buy a great CR-V, try to find a lower mileage 2005-2006 CRV. They are the best • 2005 - 2006 Honda CRV ...
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I have to disagree with you. I have a 2012 CRV. Yes I had a bad VTC actuator as well but I replaced it myself (not that difficult) for under $200 using Honda parts. Been over a year and the startup noise is still gone. Saying the entire car is bad for a $200 fix (if you do it yourself) is crazy. 160k miles I have had no other issues with my 2012 CRV, I’m the original owner as well.
How long did it take you to do it yourself?
@@spritemoney less than a day. I worked slow. Also, I didn’t take the camshafts off. There is one or two UA-cam videos showing the process without removing the cams. This method is better.
This is very much a “throw the baby out with bath water” approach in the video. People have got used to ultra reliable vehicles and complaining about problems with 10 year old cars with 100K+ miles on them. Any one old enough to remember cars from the 80s, they would literally disintegrate before 10 years of driving.
@@wcg66 Cars started to be reliable due to implementation of OBD in cars starting 95-96. It made manufactures make robust engines due to emission systems, fuel injection, etc. best of all it made it easy for your regular joe to repair their own cars.
He nailed it with this video. Honda has gone downhill. Some have problems maybe others don’t staying away from Honda
The 2014 CR-V 1.6 i-DTEC Diesel (built in UK) was the best car I ever had. Solid, economical, reliable, brilliantly engineered. I put 232,000 km on it without any issues other than wear and tear. This car turned me into a HONDA fanboy (now in a European HR-V Hybrid). I have owned many cars from Toyota, Mitsubishi, BMW, Mercedes, Ford, Opel, Citroen, Peugeot, Buick... Nothing comes close to the quality of a HONDA, that is my experience.
No honda diesels in north america
totally different engine! do you actually hear what he has to say ?
Brilliant. I have a 2017 Civic with this engine (tweaked slightly differently I imagine) and fully intend to get a 2014 or so CRV. Really looking forward to getting it.
Agree!
I have the '14 CRV and it's been one of the best cars I've ever owned. Honestly, I mean if someone had one like mine and it ran the exact same way they'd be crazy to complain about it. Mine has 325,684 mi and going strong. It's made "The Noise" a little bit before 200k mi. I'd be happy with it for a daily driver car to beat up on.
How many miles did it have when you bought it?
I own a 14 CRV I don’t have any complaints about it. I’m happy with my car. 👍🏻
Wow, our ‘14 CRV has just over 80k on it, and is an excellent vehicle indeed!
I agree with you. 😊
I have a 2015 CRV and over 140k on it alls I've had to do is replace the starter so far.
As a honda mechanic I have found out that the timing chain tensioner goes bad because they changed the position of the sprocket (vvt sprocket is on left side causing a lots of wear on the tensioner), but is an easy replacement.
Agreed. This happened to me on my 2016. The belt tension was bad . Replaced it and never heard this rattle noise again
As of January 2022, "A Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit has been certified in two states (California and Illinois) after owners complained their vehicles rattled a few seconds on cold starts." "According to the plaintiffs, Honda injured them by failing to tell them about defective variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator 14310-R44-A01 in these models."
Where can we get more info on this? I’m in California and this is an issue I’m having
I just paid Honda $1900.00
. getting this done. VTC Actuator.🥴🥴
C’monnn Virginia!!!!
Cmonn ohio
any info on getting in on the ILL. suit? what is the warranty on the VTC any way?
Wow... i had to argue my dealership for days to get them to even acknowledge the issue then finally fix it under warranty. Thank you for making this video!!
what year was your CRV and when did you get it fixed for free. Mine in 2014. I had this problem all along from the first year onwards. wondering if they would fix mine now. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks!
I have a 2014 Crv Ex with the VTC actuator defect as well. I had it replaced at Honda, but it came back. I stopped caring about it. 185,000 miles later it still runs great. I regularly drive it 500 miles to school from my parents house. It starts every time, and none of my passengers comment on it.
Change oil every 6 months and yiu get another 200K out of it.
Same. Sent to service. Came back with the same rattle
Been using CRV 2013, 1st owner, no issues at all. It's a little underpowered if compared to my other cars, but it's not a big issue.
Me too I have a twenty thirteen and I have no problems with the theater
Thank you, Jack. I will pay attention for this noise on my ‘16 accord.
2012 crv....had the actuator replaced late fall 2021 at Saratoga Honda ...my cost of course....driven around 3k miles and it just started doing it again mid March 2022...erh! Thanks for the video and glad to know it is not just my hunk of junk that has the problem
I have also a 2012, replaced the VTC Actuator like 60k miles ago, still working fine.
have owned our 2013 CRV for about 5 years. bought used with around 70K. It has always made this noise on cold starts and I had researched it and came to learn it was a known issue on this model with no fix. So, we pretty much ignore it. It does sound concerning though. Like you I've seen arguments both ways, it can cause damage, or it won't cause damage. Appreciated your video explaining the new part didn't solve the issue as I've been on the fence because it's a costly repair for non mechanically inclined people.
We replaced the complete transmission at 134,000 miles in November 2019. Not sure if that included the VCT Actuator. Now at 265,000 it Definitely Still Makes That Noise and Definitely Burns Oil. We bought it from CarMax in November 2016 with 40,000.
Any class action suit we’re in!
Just upgraded to a 2014 crv ex from my 2004 crv which has been great up to 175k miles with no issues. The 2014 doesn't have the vct rattle... yet... but so far I really like it. I'm a mechanic and have seen a few stretched chains/ vct actuator problems on these gen 4s but still didn't deter me from buying one. Mine has 67k on it now so hopefully I have some time before I see this issue. Great informative video btw
Just go with a original Honda chain once it streches I replaced mine at 195,000 with an aftermarket and it broke it now at 216,000 I redid it with an original Honda everything
I had mine fail at 80K miles. I'm at 150K miles and get a slight rattle at startup now. Two points might interest you as a mechanic. First, I asked the head mechanic at the dealer about the possibility of any good will warranty? He told me that Honda won't tell you this, but they stopped offering any help with repairs as the repair is fairly complex, and you need to take your time and follow the procedure EXACTLY as you will have a repeated failure, if you just slam the new parts in. He claimed Honda grew tired of paying for the same good will repair repeatedly, since their techs would not do the work correctly. Second, I had all of my repairs done by a really talented independent tech. who took his time and did it right. I have 70K and three years since the repair, and it looks another chain and actuator will be required in the next year or two. I agree with the conclusions of Jack of all trades, there is a design flaw here that can't be corrected with any revised part swaps, or better maintenance.
I don’t know if this helps but… I bought a 2012 in September and this has happened to me on cold starts. Researched it and seen everything everyone else has. What has been working for me is “half starting” the car (for lack of a better term). Basically, turning the key like I’m starting the car without letting the car turn over and completely starting. I’ll do this 2-4 times (depending how cold it is) and then fully start the vehicle and no rattle whatsoever when I do this. My theory (which may not be valid because I’m no mechanic just a general interest in cars) is this will at least initiate the oil pump and getting some oil to the actuator. Again, not sure if that’s a real world solution but it has worked for me every morning cold start for the past two weeks. The wether here in the mornings are usually high teens and low to mid twenties for the past couple weeks and no issue. Before I did this it would happen every single morning like clockwork. Any feedback would be awesome!! Good luck everyone
My granddaughter's 2014 consumes oil and has the VTC rattle at start up with 162,000 miles. I had Hondas most of my life. I'm 76. Now I'm done with them and driving a Toyota.
@@kerrykerry5778 so do you suggest not buying one of these? I'm looking at buying a used 2014 CRV-EX right now with 101K but now reconsidering....
I have a 2014 Honda CRV and the VTC actuator needed to be replaced at 41k. I did it myself using a Non OEM part looking for a more quality part. The procedure isn’t easy and you have to be careful not to slip the timing. I currently have 62 k on my Honda with no VTC actuator problems. Buy the way, some Toyotas and Fords have the same problems.
Have you seen the Chrisfix video on changing the vtc actuator? I watched it and am thinking of doing it myself to my mom's car
Best car I have ever had. Had it since new, now 10 years old, 150000 miles on the clock without any issues.
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏 I’ve had this problem for a while now, and since I could never replicate it, I couldn’t explain it to dealers
Thank you for this important information. Presented well in detailed
2014 CRV - I've got the same problem. I've found that if I bump it over once before I let it start cold this never happens. Not great, but at least I don't feel like I'm tearing my engine up. My used car dealer also gave me $500 toward fixing it when I explained the problem.
I'm upset too, Honda needs to take responsibility for this. Not buying another Honda, but honestly I like the car and will drive it many more years.
As you may know, the Honda CRV's are very popular among those that tow them behind motorhomes (as I do) and they rarely ever have a problem when doing so. Our's is the 2014 EX fwd, and the odd time it will make the actuator sound, but I've just gotten use to it doing so now and again. Other than the noise, in the six years we've had it, I've changed out the battery (still has the stock Michelin tires) as it's now at just over 80K miles. My wife loves driving it, and it's not bad on fuel and a great little car for running around town, or out on the interstate I've found. I may try going to a little higher viscosity of oil, to see if it makes a difference, but if not will drop down to where it's suppose to be. I do all oil changes at 5K and haven't had to touch a thing since getting it, so I sure can't complain.
Tires should be replaced @ 7 years old regardless of miliage or tread depth.
i have a 2012 crv with 140k miles and never getting mechanical problems it seems good to me
Our CR-V has had this noise since we bought it used. I never thought much of it since I originally thought that t was the direct injection system or similar. We’ve had the vehicle since 2018 with absolutely no issues other than noise on startup. I’m not dismissing the issue but the vehicle has been excellent in the four years we’ve had it. Even in your case, the only symptom you have is noise. It’s hardly left you stranded.
Does your crv have the serpentine belt and not the drive chain. I had a dry pulley. that may be your noise. A dry pulley shouldn't have happened either. I would report it to Honda America at their 900 number. I had low miles. 75,500 and just had 3 parts replaced. now it is quiet under the hood. Please share your experience.
I’m a Honda dealer mechanic and I can tell you the best Crv is the 07-09 years. When they first came out they had bunch of recalls and service bulletins , but Honda fixed them all . After that they were bulletproof(no burning oil or timing gear issues 😅)I still own a 09 model and very happy with it.
What about the 2011?
That Mickey Mouse rear trailing arm recall fix is a bit scary though
‘13. I was so thankful to come across your video. Went through the exact same process. The timing set up and VVT had to be replaced. Within 2000 miles the sound came back, but luckily the parts were still under warranty, and I took it in, they honored the warranty and replaced everything, but then said they would not honor that warranty, moving forward since they have done it twice. A year and a half later it’s back again So very frustrating since I bought a Honda needing it to run and run well for a very long time. And now I just live with the noise and pray it does not cause permanent damage to my engine since I cannot afford to keep replacing this over and over.
Jack
Love ur vids Man.......Good Job
Got a 16 CR-V ELX with the 2.4 Liter 173,000 Km = 107,497 mi
Made in Canada
No Issues
This last X-mas -44 C with the wind Chill
0-20 Synthetic
No grinding No problems at all
And no block heater on those cold days
But will keep an ear on the cold starts
Thanks For ALL the tips bro
Thanks for sharing. I am from Canada and also having same problem on my 2012 Honda CRV.
Had the same issue with my 2014 CR-V. Changed it January, only heard it twice in last month and that was it. It's a problem that just won't go away. Just have to use a good brand tensioner and it will last a little longer but it will come back eventually.
Is it hard to replace what brand tensioner did you use?
Yes, indeed. The dealer told me this is a common fault of these year models. My 2014 started this hideous sound, when it gets extremely cold ( it certainly can in Iowa). It was still under warranty, thus I pleaded the case with the dealer, and they generously replaced it. So Far, with 50k , and three years it has not returned. Good luck with yours. And I will be definitely switching to either Subaru or Toyota next car time.
Be careful with Subaru to if it has a timing chain. Pieces are breaking off getting into engine. I found a mint condition used Subaru Forester, new drive belt, 4 brand new tires, ect. I really wanted this vehicle. 2012 model ,1 owner, dilagent on upkeep. Only had 114,000 miles but, at 100,000 miles the timing belt was due to be changed. And they would not allow me to take to my mechanic for a quick check.
I got ripped off on my last last vehicle that needed $3,400 in repairs. This time being 72 and very cautious I just requested my mechanic to check. They said no. So I walked away. I'm so disappointed.
Trying to buy a car now that doesn't have major issues is difficult and the prices for used cars are ridiculous, even with 150,000 miles.
I research and very few models that aren't having problems. Be careful. Still looking.🙄
I’d go with Kia/Hyundai these days. Best bang for the buck and good quality.
@@gfriedman99 You might be very right. I don't like the tiny engines they are currently making, nor the cylinder deactivation in the 6.
Some Toyotas also have the same problem.
Ribbet. Bunch of whining ... sounds to me.
Amazing video and Thanks very much for this awesome information...!!!
2012-2014 CRV also has serious issues with ac compressors and transmissions. The torque converters fail prematurely and there is a recall this year 2022 for the park -interlock on CRv and other Honda vehicles
I have owned 4 CR-Vs. ‘99 that I had 144K miles before it was totaled from a rear end crash. No issues. ‘07 that I sold to a friend at 150K and now has 210K. No major issues. Now have ‘13 with 120K and a ‘14 with 60K. Only problem was the a/c that the compressor had to be replaced. I live in Fl and it’s run nearly every day of the year. When I decide to sell my ‘13 at 150-160K I will be purchasing another CR-V.
My 2011 went 315k km then I changed the vtc actuator and timing chain and tensioner... It's been good since the timing cover had a bit of a leak and I ran it a bit low on oil and the vtc actutor went so when I did it I did the timing chain and VTC actuator but since then the car has been running perfectly 315k km is like 200k miles I'm pretty happy with it
I bought my 14 in 2017.. haven’t had any issues with it except for the VTC. Our Honda dealer has been refusing to fix the VTC ever since we got it in 2017. Otherwise besides that it hasn’t had a single issue. Gave the car to my parents and I use their old 2008 crv currently.
Call Honda directly. Bypass dealer. See what Honda will negotiate with you.
Had a 2010 crv, not the worst but certainly not the best. Loads of recalls. Got rid of it after 6 years. Not happy with performance I agree with your video 100%. Who knows what Honda will do in the future. We’ll see
Thank you for this valuable inf. My 2014 crv Honda have that noise, they told me is natural sound of the engine. Now i know. Is hard to find a honest knowledgeable mechanic.
My wife purchased this car before we met with 90,xxx miles. 6 months into us dating I learned it was using 1 pint of oil every 1,000 miles and the entire time it had that horrible rattle. Thank goodness she bought it before we met and she just happened to purchase a bumper to bumper warranty so they replaced this vct actuator, timing chain tensioners, timing chain, “new updated pistons and rings,” front half shaft, and some other suspension part. I have always been a ford guy and have never had issues like this so not the best first impression of Honda. Especially with their reputation they are supposed to have. Now at 140,000 miles we need to replaced shocks and struts. Normal stuff but next car we buy I believe we are going to go back and find the lowest mile 2005 or 2006 crv.
Just add sea foam 4 oz to the engine and make 100 miles max 300 miles before the next oil change. i did, and it works my honda crv has 116 k miles and evry 1 k miles take 1 quter oil now after first time i added and changed oil i did 1800 miles no problem take about 1/3 quter.I will doit again after 3 k miles
At 45000 miles, our driver's side heater on our 2013 CRV stopped putting out heat while driving to Minnesota in February several years ago. Our son was able to get us in to a Honda dealer when we arrived that evening in St. Paul. The tech writer told us that there was a service bulletin on this. Evidently slag from the heater core casting process causes this. We had to rent a car from the Honda dealer so we could attend our grandson's music performance that evening. The next morning, we picked up our Honda after a $800 "flush"..I agree, Honda is no more the reliable manufacturer. We still have it, but only drive as a back up to our Mazda CX5..Honda lost a previous loyal customer after owning 11 Hondas...no more.
I was just thinking about buying one of these thanks for the heads-up.
Thanks for the video! I was just about to purchase a used 2014 with this noise as thought it just needed a new starter. Passing on these CR-V's.
My 2012 has absolutely no issues… just make sure the oil is changed every 3k miles
My 2012 make that noise unfortunately.
Thanks for your information 🙏
My girlfriend just bought a 2014 2 weeks ago. 103k base model. I was looking up videos on how to add fog lights to it and stumble across this one. She had been complaining about this noise with occasional cold starts, but I was thinking it was a hung up starter. Didn't tear into it to figure it out but now I have my answer. Luckily she got a 3-year extended warranty on it from the dealer. Now I just have to fight them on it I'm sure
Mine had noise on cold start up too. If you have a serpentine belt, not the chain, you may have a dry pulley. Cost me 500.00 to get mine repaired/replaced 3 parts and labor. The car sounds so much better. Not as expensive as a drive chain repair but still should not have happened. I only have 75,500 miles. Let us know how it goes for you. I am still going to complain to Honda about this.
I own since 2012 and have clocked 210,000km. No regrets. Vehicle is fantastic
What engine? This is specific to the 2.4
It's 2.4 litre engine
I have an accord and hear that every time I start especially in winter, thanks for the intel, video it and bring it to them!!!
Yeah it sucks. Just did another CRV. Full timing chain and VTC actuator replacement.
Was thinking of buying this car. Thank you for the warning. Will think twice about it now,! Appreciate you putting this out there.
Have the same problem with my 2014 CR-V. That exact noise intermittently with high oil usage. So glad you made this video. Now I know the rest of the. story. BTW 80K miles on it.
That's low mileage to be having oil consumption issues.
@@JackofAllMasterofNone I know, it starts me thinking about getting another car before things really go down hill.
240,000 miles on my 2013 Honda CRV notice this noise at 178,000 never replaced it and it still running strong besides little noise wen cold start...hit you guys up at 500,000 mile the 2013 crv model is bullet proof trust me I haven't had any problem with this car but minor stuff but it jus a Lil early morning rattle snake.
Glad to hear you are having good luck with your CRV.
Did you change oil more often or any other maintenance tips to share ?
Yes I changed my oil 🛢 religiously ever 3000 mile fully synthetic and also I change my transmission fluid every 4th oil change yes I do all the services on my crv so it a Lil reasonable and I kno it done right but yes changed that oil oil oil!!!
@@williamspear7803 Thank you!
@@williamspear7803
Wow. Every 3,000 miles. I wonder if it would have been no different with every 5,000 miles? Us there a particular brand you used?
my wife has a 2014 CR-V 2.2 litre diesel turbo - what a dream machine! the only problem in nearly 10 years was a blocked particulate filter
Thanks for your video on this issue! Very well done.
Sidebar: What kind of sound microphone system did you use? I’d like to use the same thing because your sound comes though very clear and little background noise. Thanks! Tim
Just the built in microphone on the GoPro hero 7
Honda CRv are the best cars on the market. 100 % recommended.
I had the same noise from my 2012 CR-V. I replaced VTC myself at 121K but went to Rock Auto for a non-OEM (I was told the OEM replacement would have the same problem in time). I have 165K on it - quiet even in -20F temps. Good luck.
What brand did you use? This may be good information for others.
I purchased from RockAuto - but it's available at a better price on Amazon. The part is STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS VVT519. This is the video I watched to fix - make sure not to repeat mistake made in video: ua-cam.com/video/hSpc41-Pj0c/v-deo.html
@@brucenicol1279 What was the mistake? Buying from Honda and using their part? Or do you mean locking it before torquing?
@@lupegalvan9993 locking it before torquing.
I have a 2012 CRV base 150k miles i only change tires, filter and oil so far.. still running great
This is informative. Thank you! ❤
I have similar issues with my 2008 accord. They fixed it once under warranty after multiple request, and the problem re-surface again soon after, just like you. But, this time, I was already outside warranty period. I decided to leave it as is but it appears over time the problem gets worse for me and the engine started burning oil. Like you, Honda never admit anything wrong with the engine, but I found out about the service bulletin too at the time. Not sure if I am going to fix it or just sell it at this point. I am weighing my option. I bought my car new back then. I am in the midwest area.
The rattle occurs because the locking pin is not held in place due to weak spring tension on startup. Noise can be fixed by replacing the spring only if your issue is truly the VTC. I believe that the rattle returns even when the part is replaced due to the spring tension getting weaker. YMMV.
That's what I read also. The noise comes back.
Any way we can add a stiffer spring?
How far does one have to dig into the engine to fix this spring?
@@daveengstrom9250 Not very far, valve cover comes off, 5 torx bolts on the cover of the VTC actuator and thats all - the spring can be removed and replaced. Hardest part is removing those torx bolts.
I’m very familiar with that noise with my 2014 Honda CRV .
Specially on cold starts. VTC actuators. Learned something new.
Yes, the VTC actuator on my 2012 was changed at like 80K miles, the noise is coming back around 105K miles now so it does not fix the issue. Nothing wrong with the engine once it warms up but definitely annoying in the morning from a cold start. The AC compressor broke on as well, a common issue too on these engines. Other than that, been running fine still would have a Honda over any American product in my opinion.
yeah my 2013 does this and when we went go get it fixed they said there was no point bc it would come back which it did but i have had my car for years and it’s been doing that for years and my car still runs and everything perfectly fine
I know that our generation of crv’s suffer from tranny shuddering, which I bought my 2013 used with 40k miles and I currently have 64k rn after a year and some change, I get shuddering once in a while but I know it is a common thing
@@explorer2945 change the trans oil every 30,000. Somethings shedding grit upline of trans. Watch some more videos. You'll find the video.
@@explorer2945 Get a transmission fluid flush every 30-40 K miles and it will run good for a year or two, then you have to repeat. it is cheaper than a new torque converter by thousands of. dollars. I've done this many times. It works. make sure your mechanic uses Honda Trans fluid.
@@Susan70003 I do the trans. service on my 2014 CRV every 15K miles. It cost about $30 for three quarts of Honda Oem Fluid, and it's a job that is faster and easier than changing the oil. I had a 2013 and now a 2014 with a total of close to 400K miles on them. The transmissions have been trouble free. I have had a collection of vehicles in the last 20-25 years that I have obsessively over-maintained, with everything from brake fluid flushes, to exceeding the "severe duty" maintenance schedule in every aspect. I have found that it really makes them last a hell of a lot longer, and with a lot fewer repairs.
8:45 The old saying - Ford, fix or repair daily LOL. My CR-V had VTC replaced under warranty. I went to the dealer with a printed copy of the exact service bulletin, where I bought the car brand new (that might help a bit). The service guy was nice to let mine sit for several days and finally he was able to replicate the VTC noise in a cold morning. Then, VTC was replace under warranty. I have that VTC noise came back just once on a cold winter morning in the past couple years.
Yup. I bought a 2014 CRV in 2019 - 5 years old. Was making that noise then and I thought it was something minor. Drove it for 3 years and finally had it diagnosed and had the VTC actuator replaced. Hopefully it won't need this done again - or at least not for another 7 to 8 years. Didn't know it was a problem with the model. Other than that $1400 repair, however, the car has been great.
All they need to do is make a heavy duty plunger and spring inside that vtc actuarial gear with time it weakens the spring so the plunger inside that gear won’t hold the oil pressure
Had the death rattle on my 2012. Have always used synthetic name brand 0w-20. Replaced the VCT at about 150,000 miles. With the revised part. 1 month after the 6 month 6000 mile dealer service warranty it started again. My daughter now drives the car, and it has about 240,000 miles on it. Still has the death rattle on cold mornings. It uses about a qt of oil between oil changes.
My 2008 EX-L 4WD has been an excellent SUV. I just had to replace the master window switch @ 188,000. I plan on keeping this as long as possible. I live in the rust belt, and the body rust is minimal...
My experience is similar. Honda service literally laughed at me when I asked them about how much it would cost to fix the VTC actuator. So, I spent $200 at a private shop, who did a full inspection an diagnostic. They did everything but find the problem (I know know that I have very worn rear brake pads, air filter, cabin filter, etc. I replaced the plugs and serpentine belt and both air filters - - cheap enough.) Now, my CR-V is in the Honda dealer shop waiting diagnosis for this specific problem. In my case, I've got the dreaded rattle. But, my gas mileage fell to 21 MPG. No other symptoms except the death rattle. No dashboard warning lights. Wish me luck.
Good luck
Thank you very much for this video. I am in the process of deciding between a CRV or Rav and my decision is now settled. Rav it is.
The RAV4 is a great vehicle.
Be careful what year RAV4 you buy too. Some of them have their problems including this very same problem with variable valve timing. But with the RAV you must fix it rather than choose to live with it because the Toyota parts us made with aluminum instead of stainless steel. Aluminum is a sitter metal.
I have a 2010 civ and the rattle just started. came across this video looking into it. I started adding 20% Lucas to the oil and no more rattle. Suggested by my 80 year old mechanic.
That just thickens the oil. Won't fix it. You are just masking the issue but if it buys you some time that's great
i used crv 2013 unutk now (2023). No problem at all. Love this car.
Thank you bro 😂 I thought it was my stater before I clicked on it I didn’t know
I noticed that Royal Purple and Mobile full synthetics run a little thinner than they should…. I currently use a better quality oil (AMSOil), and the car runs quieter. That sound at startup still happens once in a while… mainly on cold days. Currently 110k miles.
thank you for telling us about that!
I have a 2014, 61K miles, its been doing this for a good 20K+ miles now, Noise present even during summer temps. Dealer first denied noticing sound, I went back with research and the TSB, so they acknowledged. But advise was to leave it as is because even after replacing, the issue comes back, as is demonstrated in this video. People turn around and look like whats wrong with your car ? Thats embarrassing!
Yep
The 05 and 06 with timing chains and same engine dont have the accuator io tensioner issue..so why is that part better and can you use it instead of the one thats in the 13 - 16 models that suffer greatly with this issue.?
Thank you for that information because I believe I have the same issue with my car a 2014 crv
I think the noise you are hearing is because your engine has "variable valve timing", the rattle at the start of engine is the time it's taking for the oil to fill up the inside cavity of camshaft pulley with the teeth on the outside. Theoretically you could take that pulley and weld it in mid point position, your engine will not be VVT any more but the rattle will be gone, however the check engine light might come on, the computer might think there is something wrong. If you know how to replace the timing chain, you can do this job, it's worth a try, get a used camshaft from junkyard to weld.
You are incorrect. Honda has been doing VVT for a long time, and most of their engines don't do this. It's a problem with the VTC.
2013 EX with 160,000 miles and going strong. No actuator issues and only major expense was $500 7 years ago.
Our 2014 does it. We just bought it and it has 85k on it. It's super annoying. That said, after researching the issue, I'm not convinced it's damaging the timing components. I know someone with the identical car as ours with 180k on it and it rattles and she said it always has. She ignores it and just keeps up on maintenance and checks her oil.
I look at it like this. How many of these engines has Honda sold? How often do you hear about them blowing up? Lot's of complaints about the rattle yes but how often do we hear of total failure? I don't know. We bought an extended warranty on ours when we bought it so if it does crap out it's covered anyway. I do agree though, Honda should step up and own this.
Total failure is unlikely but more common is that the timing chain starts to stretch from the extra tension that this causes and eventually it stretches out of tolerance and you start having timing problems, check engine light, etc. Then a full timing chain, guides, tensioner and VCT is required to the tune of almost $2,000. It's an engineering flaw that they refuse to own.
@@TheUpholsteryLibrary how many miles did your car have during these instances?
I am with you buddy. I have a 2002 CRV and it has over 275k miles and it runs and sounds like a top! No engine issues over all these years and miles. I am looking for a low miles (100k or so) 2005 or 2006. No one wants to get rid of them. I LOVE MINE!!! Don't want the newer.
I recently grabbed a single owner '06 CRV for $2000 Canadian with 230kms (143,000 miles) in a market where higher mileage vehicles are commonly going for nearly triple that...I guess the word is out. I love the simplicity and relatively low tech of this model year...and that it's pre GDI/CVT. The steering is tight, suspension decent, and the heater works better than my newer F150...unfortunately no AC due to the "black death", but I guess that and new brakes ($300 Amazon) all around is why I got such a good (for Canadian market) deal on the CRV. If you don't "need" all the new tech, and can live with a few worn/dented items then the '06 CRV is a great used buy.
I have the 2013 Honda CRV and have the same issues with the noisy cold starts and the engine is burning oil. A mechanic recently told me that the timing chain was stretched. Not sure if if I will keep the vehicle or try and trade it in for something else. Thanks for sharing this video.
I bet you didn’t change or check the oil enough?
@@rmo4222 maybe. I followed the instructions. The car keeps track of the oil life %. I changed it when it got low. I have replaced the timing chain and the variable timing gear. Hopefully it will last for a few more years.
I too, have a 2013 Honda CR-V. It does the same thing.. it’s an and embarrassing. Honda really needs to concede and either reimburse or like you said, but back the cars.
My only does this when cold starts ... & not always .. 2013 LX 180k . Now you got me worried ... Does not do it in summer or every time. now you got me worried baha kk GREAT WORK W THE CONVERSION !!! btw did you need the bumper brackets it came with I got my grill w no bumper brackets from eBay . haven't installed yet. don't plan on doing the headlights either .
The 2015 up grill will not work with the 2013 style headlights. They are completely different.
@@JackofAllMasterofNone i tried the hidden menu trick & selected diagnostic. I got a few bars green and a few bars red " NG" now it is stuck on that screen. Cannot go back . Reverse cam does not show. Help please.
I love Hondas too! I’ve had several of them and if you maintain them- they will run forever! I’m actually looking for the old 80s CRX now because I remember my cousin had one and I would beg her to let me drive it because it was manual and had so much fun in that car!
I own a 2013 CRV too and have the same startup noise during cold start every morning. The driver side vent is also not putting out heat.
How much mileage do you have
That's a common one with drivers side being cooler. I have to turn on my seat heater.
@@IAmBigKes The noise started around 50K, and the car is around 125K now. I just ignored the noise and it runs fine. Just flushed the heater core and the driver side vent heat is working again.
Yes sir I totally appreciate your video it has helped me tremendously and this is something the mechanics will never tell you nor you will find in your ownership manual of the vehicle so again thank you for taking the time and making this video this sound is making me worry I do have a 2013 Honda CRV and it's crazy how I start the car here just checking and yet again it does go away is there a possibility that I can increase my oil pressure to alleviate or assist this issue thank you so much and God bless
You described my issue perfectly. I use multiple quarts of oil between changes. I’ve had to replace the timing chain prematurely. Sucks.
You had to replace the chain because it got overheated from low oil in the crankcase, and stretched beyond what the tensioner could compensate for.
I found that when below 45 degrees if I bump the starter a couple of times before starting there’s no rattle. Maybe the oil pump gets enough oil to the actuator to function correctly.
That's exactly what I do. Might get one or two rattles though the winter.
What does it meant to bump the starter?
@@husain6431 let the motor turn over with out starting. It don't take very long maybe a second or 2. After that crank and start like normal.
@@patrickthompson8913 and how does one "let the motor turn over without starting?" Is this something you can do from the driver's seat? Just turn the ignition on without starting it?
@@d.r.q.2032 it normally take a few seconds of the motor cranking to get it to start. I turn the key and maybe a second or 2 turn it back before it starts. Then just crank to start like normal. It is more wear and tear on the starter and somewhat the battery but it does keep it from rattling.
I'm glad I found this video because I've been having this issue with my 2012 CRV... Guess I need to take it to the dealership and use my warranty to get it fixed up.. it's only at 72000 miles
Do you have an extended warranty? Its suppose to be expired by now since its a 2012 and over 60K miles.
-Source: 2012 EX owner as well.
@@2fast4all yup got an extended 60,000 mile warranty when I bought it in November
I've had this rattle on startup for years. It is now in the shop to have the stretched timing chain/tensioner replaced bc engine light + traction control light + power steering light all came on simultaneously. Was told it's very common. I'm at 145k miles. Otherwise my crv has been so amazingly reliable for me.
Except for this $2,000 dollar repair. You are right, it is very common.
Any racing part could fix that? Let me know bc I had same problem
I have been using this 2013 model for the past 10 yrs no issues. Depends how you drive n maintain the car just my personal experience.
I have a friend who has a 2014 CRV with 112,000 miles and broke down on her. Dealership is saying engine is bad . Could this problem possibly have caused it? She's thinking about having a used engine installed but now that I seen this I don't know if she should. Sounds like same thing could happen all over again . Thanks for the video I hadn't seen this anywhere else.
Probably didn’t change the oil enough, if you wait for the idiot light it’s too late
i own the 15' ex model. ... ok , oil changes, tires , and the biggy... pain at the pump ! hey ! the cvt gets you more mpg ! Honda's cvt in 2015 was the best, and still going strong..
I have a 2014 Honda crv EX-L with 64,000 mile with no issues at all runs like a champ
60k and happens super frequently. Occasionally makes it while driving. Can’t wait to get out from under this junk.
@@eeb8267 there's nothing wrong if you take care of the car doing oil changes
@@johnathanwoodley5005 oil changes done every 5k
@@eeb8267 you still having the same problem
I own a 2014 CR-V with 164K miles on it. I've brought my vehicle into the dealer several times for this issue. Had the VTC actuator replaced a few years ago. It started happening again shortly after it was replaced. Took it back to the dealer several times, but it would never make the noise when they had it. One time when I took it in for another issue I was having that required me to ride with a mechanic to show him the problem, I asked him about the noise. He said he knew exactly what it was and that I could get it fixed, but it would only happen again in a little while because the part is defective. I decided to leave it be. Finally, in May of 2021, it got so bad that I had to have the timing chain and everything replaced. To make matters worse, due to parts production shortages and delivery delays caused by Covid, I had to wait about two months for the parts to come in. Parts and labor costs about $1800. Not even a year later, it's happening again!! Of course, it's just out of the 12K mile warranty on the work. I'm at the dealership right now and they say I have two very bad oil leaks. Mind you, I rarely go out much since the pandemic started and there's no oil spot under my carport. Maybe it's just because I own a 2014, but from all the comments I've read, this issue seems to be more prevalent in the 2014 model. I can't afford to shell out that much money again right now. This is my fourth Honda, but it just might be my LAST HONDA!
This is the comment I needed to read just to have some idea at what I’m facing as to cost and result, thanks
My '14 is in the shop now for timing chain/tensioner $1800. Also, my mechanic told me that these cars burn oil more than other models so I started adding oil in between changes. Fingers crossed that's all it needs for awhile. I do love this car!
Use 5-30 oil and just drive it . All the Toyotas do the same thing .
Your right. I have to deal with this problem now.
ive own all the crv.s to date and the key to not having very few problems if any.... is changing the oil every 4. 5 thousand miles and using quality oil all the components in question are oil fed and believe me this really helps
This is very true
I have a 2014 Honda CRV And no problem so far.
Most of Honda problem is after the 2011 models the parts are made here in the US by a different supplier. Honda used to get there parts from Japan but after the earthquake it was cheaper to get their parts here. They do stress quality but the parts are shady.
So order parts from Japan?
Thanks for the info
Could you point me in the direction of the facelift mods? I have a 2013 I’d like to add this to.
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I bought two 2014 crv new. Both rattle one has 180000 still going strong
I'll agree to disagree. My 2012 CRV had this issue too. I bought it certified pre-owned with about 35k miles. It did develop the rattle after 40k miles, I don't remember the specific miles. Honda covered it under warranty and it hasn't showed up since, it now has 130K miles.
Very slick of Honda to issue a TSB and not a recall. If this issue can damage the engine long term, it should be a recall.
My CRV also developed a shudder/vibration around 45k miles that was felt throughout the whole vehicle. It happened when shifting between 2nd and 3rd gear and between 25-35 MPH. It ended up needing the torque converter to be replaced, also luckily under warranty.
If I had to pay for these repairs out of pocket I would have been royally pissed. I got lucky. Other than these issues and wear and tear items, I haven't had to replace or repair any other super expensive parts.
So yes, I feel that these are engineering issues that shouldn't happen to a Honda vehicle because of their reliability reputation. It could be worse, just look at Hyundai with their 2.4L theta engines, sheesh what s-show.
Thanks for the video!
i have a 2013 CRV that has that exact same issue with shifting gears! thank you for this comment lol now i know what it is!!
@@arrogantott my friend was able to fix this issue in his 2013 crv with a transmission fluid change, this is the cheapest option to go with first. He used Honda transmission fluid.
Had the same problem, changed the transmission fluid
2013 here, 3 yr batteries died too soon, and inflation, I did pop some $ into this. Everything is higher. 50,000 miles ,it does drag a little.
Yup, same problem with a 2014 4-cyl Accord. I'm taking it into service for replacement of the VTC actuator and possibly the timing chain tensioner next week. Only 43K miles on this car. Hopefully these repairs will last longer than on your CRV. I'm going back to Toyota for my next vehicle.☹
I bought a Honda 2013 crv ex-l. 2.2 L engine and have a transmission problem. They did the transmission changed the oil and filter and the problem stopped for a few months and started up doing it being sluggish and mine was a certified used Honda with the warrantee from Honda here in New Rochelle,NY.
I've have been having problems with car. My rear camera went twice.
I feel the car is a lemon.
I purchased the car in 2015.
I had a 1985 Honsa 5 speed a d was a good car. Was so simple to fix.car was a 2 door hatch and was a decent car and free.
My 2o13 is bad and shouldn't had problems from the start. My left rear caliper locked up and took out the rotor.
I replaced with slotted rear rotors and ceramic pads.
I wish I bought a Subaru and the dealership only 15 miles away not the 120 miles each way..
I had to het them to get me the books for the car. At first they weren't going to give me the owner Manuel and told them I wanted my money back almost $28K they got me the owners manuel.
Now I wished I sued them for selling me a dud.
2012 145k. Just got done replacing the radiator. Also replaced the blend door actuator, flushed the heater core last year, replaced the alternator, and replaced the rear brake calipers cause they were dragging. Probably will need a muffler soon starting to get noisy.
Should be like a new car now !!
@@JackofAllMasterofNone I do like the room it has. It replaced an '02 Accord last year with 230k. I could never go back to a sedan - just too low. I bought it with 125k so not sure if the VCT was replaced by the previous owner but its fine starting up. If it does act up I'll replace it myself. The small batteries are a joke though. You leave the headlights on for 15 minutes with the engine off and the battery is dead.