The Golf Swing is an Illusion. [Why you CAN'T FORCE the positions of the pros.]
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I explain why you can't force yourself to achieve the same positions as the pros. Players like Dustin Johnson, Cameron Champ, Rory McIlroy, Joaquín Niemann and Tommy Fleetwood all achieve these positions through physics and not by muscular force or training. If you learn how the club actually works it FORCES YOU into the positions of the pros. When you understand how the golf club actually works it's incredibly easy to use. Most people are using the club completely wrong and not knowing it.
Here I use a swing of Brandon Stone to show where the power is applied to the club and what direction it's applied, and it's not what you'd think. In order to swing the clubhead straight through the ball we actually have to swing it backward, away from the target. It sounds crazy I know, but it works. This is the Holy Grail of Golf. This is the secret no one talks about. Every good player swings a golf club this way and many of them don't even realize they're doing it, which is why they can't explain it.
I know the audio is horrific. If you can manage to sit through it, I think it'll be worth your while.
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I know, it's my worst video ever. I should probably rerecord the whole thing but I thought there was a lot of really good information, so here it is.
Love your ideas. Keep up the good work! ~Jason
At what point should we do what I would call the palm punch. are you initiating that at the top of your swing and then just the amount of time that it takes gets it to extend at 7:15 or do you wait until your swing is around 7:15 and then initiate the punch?
@@louispounds7486 Good question. I'd say probably half way down or so. You are trying to punch toward 7:15 prior to getting there and the club prevents you from doing so. I covered a couple things in this video with you in mind. Sorry about the audio. I'm thinking of trying to "loop" the audio and fix it, but that's a lot of work, I think. I never tried it before.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf thanks I have been doing see work on fixing my errant concepts. I will email directly with what I've learned.
Overhand Golf Greg, does 715 also apply to irons or just driver/woods? I guess I’m asking if 715 universal to all the clubs? Thank you for all your insights and time. Much appreciated.
One of the most informative AND entertaining videos I've ever watched. LOL. Well done.
Best explanation of getting the club to square I've seen. Been playing golf for 60 years.
No. Forget these haters that video was AWESOME. All you did was show the Correct Way To Swing while you counterparts spend all their time on showing us the wrong way. I hate how much they like showing us every wrong way for 9/10 of their videos.
Visually appealing. It sounds fine, I understood everything the first time through.
I found this video pretty much by accident too. I watched it right before I went to the range. I couldn't believe how well it worked. What worked most was your description of the move of the right arm. I've had lots of trouble with starting the ball strait but having to much draw/hook to the left. The minute I added the punch, bingo, strait ball! I've subscribed! Thanks
Right?! When you're trying to swing toward the target you have no idea when or where the clubface needs to be square, but when you make this move you don't have to think about it at all.
And this is the swing thought I have been missing!!! Just hit ten balls in my garage and they were compressed and pure. Headed to the range now!
This guy is an excellent teacher!! He has completely transformed my swing. Thank you!
Thank you. I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip? paypal.me/OverhandGolf
People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games and only a few nice people have given me a donation.
I don't mean to guilt you into anything. You do what feel is right. My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!"
I'd like to prove her wrong.
Play well!
Good job buddy! Thanks for the video, keep em coming
No sir it changed my swing immediately! This is one of my faves, of course I’m new to your channel it might get better.
You have opened my eyes to how to swing the club. I can’t wait to get out and practice. Unfortunately I live in Nebraska and my golf season is coming to an end. But I will practice your instructions and my buddies are going to wonder what I did over the winter. I have saved a lot of videos from UA-cam but all of those can be erased because yours have been so informative and so clear to me. Thank you very much keep teaching because you are really good
I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip? paypal.me/OverhandGolf
People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games and only a few nice people have given me a donation.
I don't mean to guilt you into anything. You do what feel is right. My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!"
I'd like to prove her wrong.
Play well!
This is great golf swing tuition thanks a lot, have subscribed! 👍🏻
I can hardly wait to get out to the range. I am only watching Overhand Golf. Thank you again.
You are excellent at explaining the facts of the swing!!! TUVM!
I applied this the other day at the range here in the UK and can hundred percent say this is Gold. Trickling the brain into not doing what it wants to do Based on ancient instruction or what it visually sees.. is the key. Thank you
I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip? www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY
People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and thousands more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games. This is my only source of income these days as the company I worked for has gone under.
My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!" I'd like to prove her wrong.
Play well! Thank you.
Brilliant explanation, thank you thank you.
I had never heard the straighten your right arm explanation. Definitely going to try that on the range.
Gold, Pure Gold!
Do use the same swing thought on your fairway clubs and irons?
It's like 'mystery animal noises' :)....great info, thank you for the video!
The excellent tips make up for the audio. Thanks for the video.
Great video, awesome advice, but I was worried that the swamp monster was going to attack you.
The info contained in this video is great. The audio is hilarious. Sounds like an alien having its lunch in the background 🤣
Golf is an illusion , the swing you bring to the party is real, thanks!!!
Thanks for keeping it simple.
Audio wasn`t the best but good enough to get your points across !!!
HA!, HA!....OMG! Your comments on the sound/noise level of the audio were hilarious! It sounded like 2 wild boars in massive heat boldly going at it unabashedly! LOL! I've said this before - but it bears repeating. Your videos on the seven fifteen swing technique is the ONLY instructional model I have carefully saved and refresh myself on from time to time. And, its the _ONLY_ teaching model on YT that makes sense and actually works as advertised. My once useless but 'beautiful practice swing' is now my 'authentic smash the ball' swing..... Wish I had this info when I was younger - but, what the hell......I'm finally leaving my buddies in the dust and getting _'it'_ out there....! Thank you, mate! Oh, and just curious....why the face towel on your club handle. 👍
Thanks so much sir.. first time in my life.. I followed your an advice.. really work.. my 5 iron can reach 200m++ landed on the green. Now I can use all the club with the max. Impact.. respect!
I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip? paypal.me/OverhandGolf
I'm kinda surprised that I'm not getting more tips and donations. I mean, people pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games and only a few nice people have given me a donation.
I don't mean to guilt you into anything. You do what feel is right. I don't want to be a jerk, but my wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!"
I'd like to prove here wrong.
Play well!
@@HolyGrailOfGolf aspire to get views, with that comes ads, there is your cash. Keep putting out videos, create a following, you'll get paid then.
@@ag358 I'm working on it! I'd like to remake some of these in a more professional manner although it's not so much about the production value as it is the message. I'm up to 3k subscribers and quite a lot of watch hours, so we'll see how it goes. Thanks!
The message is great and you have a personal unique style of presenting things: authenticity can go a long way in social media and thus monetizing
Most content on golf is about drills but your videos bring a new perspective
Thank you.. Awesome content
Great lesson. Helped me a ton thank you
This is gold. Remember that we can't have any tension in the arms, because they would be moving out of phaze with the rotating mass.
We need to use the right arm to pull the left arms straight : eliminating tension in the left arm, which would mechanically decouple it from the power of the pivot.
Did I red-pill you?
Thanks for the good info!
....this video has explained to me what has confused me for years...I played Natural Golf ( or tried )...aka Moe Norman...let’s agree he was simply one of the greatest ball strikers...and after watching all his videos on UA-cam and buying the course...all I could get was inconsistency on the course because you just can’t copy the uniqueness others....Moe said his secret was in his ‘VERTICAL DROP’...but I had no idea what he meant...and all Moe could explain was his ‘feel’...now, I believe, what YOU describe as 7:15 is in actuality what Moe was doing...and in the above video, the explanation completely details the mechanics ...over the years a variety Golf swings have evolved...but I believe which ever you choose, the 7:15 drop may well be the integral part of every downswing...
Yes, I agree. If you remember, Moe would address with his club way behind the ball near 7:15. I think he did that because that's the direction he was swinging. I think this is the basic and general problem with golf instruction. People who hit the ball well do this without knowing it. They all describe what they think they're doing and not what they're actually doing.
Brilliant 👏 . I previously tried the Hogan swing tucking the elbow in. Sometimes hit the drives sweet , sometimes poorly. I used to cast the arms , so the control wasn’t there.
This is genius my friend it really is . I hope you get a million views 👊
Thanks, but I'm just a guy who thinks too much about golf. I can't believe people actually advocate tucking the trail elbow ... but have no idea why or how to do it properly. There's so much wrong with traditional golf instruction. I'm working to fix that.
This is genius stuff despite the comical audio. Love the post-production comments. Seems to me swinging the club head toward 7:15 or chopping wood to the right are different versions of the same idea, but either way it’s amazingly effective.
Yeah, sorry about the audio but the info is good if you can get through it.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf no, seriously, the audio doesn’t matter. Shot even par today for the first time in about ten years using this as a swing thought.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf how do we send you some $$$? I’m pretty sure I saw a link before.
@@sdbyrd56 www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY Thank you!
awesome instruction
You are definitely not a total moron. You are a wizard. I did your hitting the ground at 7:15 drill yesterday on some foam balls and absolutely annihilated them. And it took the unwanted pull and push out ive been fighting. If you know basic fundamentals, that one thought causes magic to happen. It's like the 7:15 thing you're talking about here. Just awesome.
I'm a bit of a moron. Thank you for the compliment. I'm glad it's working for you.
If you care to make a donation, I'm not too stupid to accept it. www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY
Thanks. I'm trying to get a real website up and running.
Second time watcher pure stuff it's all about personal interpenetrating ideas.....you know you don't need to know how it works right 👍
Great video. Thank you. Don't worry about the sound. It was OK.
Fabulous!!
Excellent
This may be the best video I've ever seen on the golf swing! I've played for 33 years. Play off 6 hcp. Have always struggled with distance but I can hit it straight. two years ago I finally realized, with the help of my iPhone, that I have pretty chitty swing thru impact (both elbows bent and pulling into the body). I've struggled for two years to figure out why I do this. This video finally explains why. Thanks so much!!!!
I just had the worst round of the season today. Beautiful day in Maryland but an awful swing day for me. I'm tired but after watching this video I'm heading to the range for a practice session of pushing with my right hand to 7 o'clock. Wish me well as I need it.
Watch the Jim Dent video. BTW were you using the Holy Grail or have you just found my channel? Sorry, if we've talked before and I don't remember. It's getting to be rather a lot of people to remember.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Nope, I've been using the Bounce the Ball swing for a couple of years now. I've used the Hit the Ball with the middle of the shaft swing occasionally as well and others. When I have a bad day on the course I run back to your site for answers and I usually find one.
@@TheLastBabyBoomer Ok, well we all have bad days.
One of the best drills I've had was when the pro put a tee in the ground roughly where your alignment stick is and told me to swing at the tee. It's basically the same thing as you're suggesting in this video
Great content and direction. I am glad I had seen OHG videos before. Audio is so bad that I would have stopped watching if I did not know how good your direction is. Wheeew that was a close one. Almost disregarded you without knowing how great your instruction is.
Yes, the audio was absolutely terrible but then it got funny so I went ahead and posted it.
Great teaching appreciate the videos! What are your eyes focused on during the swing? Does it matter?
Not really. Like Bobby Jones said, "... I'm simply aware of where the ball is." You don't have stare at it to hit it.
Hi, could you explain when you say " the shallowness happens way up here Parallel to 7:15. I do not see the geometry. How does the movement move parallel? If you could demonstrate what you mean. I understand the movement is more at the top but parallel to what ? to the plane of the red Stick? Big question here? also how does this relate to your previous video where you are hitting a imaginary golf ball with the middle of the shaft? do you still push down to 7:15 or 5:15 from a swinger's standpoint. thanks, enjoyed your videos
The green line is the imagined path of the clubhead. When the arc of the swing is reduced or shallowed it's when the club is parallel to that green line or the imagined path of the clubhead. Most people believe the shallowing happens much closer to the ball and they try to make that happen with disastrous results.
If you look closely to the video on the left I put an "imaginary ball" in the way of the center of his shaft. He's actually hitting that imaginary ball backward slightly.
Do you swing irons the same way?
I had a lesson with a Pete Cowen instructor a few years ago, and he taught the same: release towards 7.15 with the right palm down.
I must revisit this.
Really? I bought his ridiculously overpriced DVD and it had nothing of any substance in it at all. Totally worthless.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I didn't buy that. His philosophy is pretty well described in a golfwrx thread. Pack the right shoulder etc.
@@jgb6802 I always admired Pete and his students and when I learned of the DVD I had to have it. I had to order it from overseas and it took a month or more to get here ... and it was useless. Basically, he said, "Hit the ball with the club."
Every great ball striker does what this gentleman is explaining so succinctly and beautifully.
To be clear are you saying in effect that applying the Overhand swing that the clubface feeling very open prior to impact will square or close without you having to do anything?...ie roll the forearm & wrists. Can I just swing the club down into the ground as you explain & prior to impact the clubface squares? Is this achieved by 'hammer action' of the hands into the ball (& not hand rotation) & torso rotation to the target direction?.
It's a little bit of all of the above as well as the engineering of the club, but otherwise, yes. It's basically impossible to swing the club through impact wide open. Your body and the engineering of the club will not allow it. The reason most people slice is that they close the club too early and then yank on the handle and the clubface opens through impact but if they'd have left it open to begin with it would close on it's own.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf many thanks for that reply.
Thanks for the informative video. I'm a lefty, I guess I'll have to remember to release towards 5:15.
Oh, yeah. That's interesting. I never thought about that. Sure, 4:45 actually? Right?
Yes I think you are correct at 4:45. I forget that I'm swinging clockwise
I’m a southpaw. I think 7:15… but I’m standing on the other side of the clock (i.e. 9 is to the left, 3 to the right, and I’m swinging counterclockwise).
I am impressed with the Holy Grail concept. My question when punching down with the club 12 inches from the end of the handle, where are your eyes focused? On the back of the ball or the spot where you intend to "punch" down?
I'd say where ever you are comfortable. No one says you have to look at the ball. Bobby Jones said he's only aware of where it is. Try everything and see which is most comfortable and works best for you. I really don't know where I'm actually looking. I never think about it. I look at the ball at address but as soon as the swing starts, I actually have no idea.
Next Spring let’s freshen up that fence.....great video☝️
I think you should seriously consider reshooting this video. Please.😀
The best was the towel pulling the left hand through. I had imesdiate results with less power and farther, lower flight and on line. Thanks!
@@jsmith05403 At what part in the video is there a towel pulling the left arm through?
Tq. My age is 70. My driving distance is about 180m/198yard. Only problem is my second shot either duft or top if I swing fast. Pls help me on my second shot.
Send me a video if you can to OverhandGolf@usa.com
You talk about bending the club shaft .
Any thoughts about fitting the shaft flex? How important is it?
Shaft flex is everything! If your shaft flex doesn't fit your swing speed you'll have a very hard time hitting good golf shots. Also, some shafts are just garbage. Example: Years ago, I bought a new Taylormade driver I took it out and played with it. First drive started straight down the fairway then made a hard and fast right turn half way through it's flight. I tried again on the next hole, same thing. One more time ... yep, same thing. I had my old driver so I hit it ... straight and long. We got to a hole with a huge dogleg right 90º about 180 yards to the corner. "I've got the perfect club for this!" Sure enough, that ball went around the corner like it was remote controlled. Anyway, I reshafted it and hit it straight ever since. It's a great club and I still have it today. Also, a friend of mine had a Taylormade club that was impossible to hit straight. We watched slow mo of his swing and the clubhead was twisting almost 90º!
If shafts weren't that important Rory wouldn't be paying $3000 for a Rhombach shaft. Not only shaft flex but the weighting of it is also important.
If you have club that you just love the way it feels take it to a golf shop and ask them to measure it's swing weight. Then have the rest of your club matched to that weight.
I find it interesting that there’s an audience for a Non-PGA professional shooting videos in his backyard wearing a tee shirt and using a towel for a glove and making fart jokes. It just proves a point that golfers are so desperate for a secret move that they don’t need production values or credentials. He’s better than the guy in the next stall at the driving range that’s for sure. There’s some good stuff in the videos - no disrespect intended.
😆 or it could be that people don't find satisfying answer from the "experts" who give out trash. I have personally read over 400 books, used training aids, videos, injured myself, etc) I am currently taking lessons from a "PGA certified" instructor and am more confused than ever! I am on my 20th lesson(over $1,000 spent). Not to mention I am implementing everything he has taught me and hit balls at least 3xs a week plus plenty of at home practice. So either I am a terrible student or the golf industry is failing me. I'm not looking for "secrets" or tricks. Just HONESTY. So the fact that people on here are looking for a shred of truth speaks more to the pathetic instruction culture then the audience! We are being fleeced!
@@jacobr4558How long have you been playing? There’s a learning curve for golf. You can’t pack everything into one or two seasons.
As a senior golfer ,I thought my loss of distance was just an age thing...but after watching a few of you videos and a quick trip to the peactice area...Ive gained almost 40 yards on all of my clubs.....Maybe I can get back to single figure h/cap....Thanks for the info...
I use to swing this way when I played table tennis. But I could never explain what I did. All I could come up with was you just have to pull down as hard as you can. Today I did it on a golf course and serendipitously there was your video, warts and all.
What did you call me?
I'm kidding, obviously. How cool is that? You may have watched other videos of mine where I explain that I had the same problem. I played so well at one point I didn't think about it at all and had no idea what I was doing and then suddenly it was gone. The harder I tried to get it back the worse I got. You can't recapture a feeling.
Are you familiar with the concept of Baader-Meinhof? It's kinda like deja vu but the other way around. When you become aware of something and then suddenly realize it's been around you all the time but you couldn't see it. You learn a new word that you swear you've never heard before in your life and suddenly everyone is using it. You learn a concept if golf and see that everyone's talking about it ...
What is the angle of the golf plane when you swing the club down and through?
The same as your shaft angle at address.
Mr G. we are extremely patient and anticipating the release of a video of you striking a couple of balls for us at the range. Or at a trackman at a roger dunn or whatever! I've had great success with this method-- but my hands persist on adding loft at the bottom. I'm probably not punching like you're advocating here. I more than likely slap at it, and I have the tendency to slide my body/hips way past the ball, thus moving the ball about 3-4 inches BACK in my stance because of my sliding hips.
This punching at 7:15 with the right palm is what this video is all about. That should prevent your flip or attempt to hit the ball with flexion of the right wrist. When you first try it you may lose a little distance but it'll come back. Yesterday, I had to start swinging really easy to prevent the ball from going too far! Maybe it was the weather, I don't know ... but a 135 yard 60º wedge is just too damn far!
send a video to OverhandGolf@usa.com
Overhand Golf I know the feeling when I first started 5 years ago I was obsessed with forward shaft lean and really bombing my balls for no reason. My 9 iron reached 145 yards to 150 for no good reason. But it wasn’t repeatable whatsoever. I’ll send a video of my most recent face on swing.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I hit my 58* almost half that far on a comfortable swing (75-80 yards). Fingers crossed for the day to come soon that I get this swing down.
Love this guy, he makes this madness make some kind of sense. Wish I could get lessons from him.
Truthfully, it's really not that complex. Also, if things go well I'll be launching a website where I can give video lessons and evaluations. I can also do in person lessons.
Yes, audio crappy...but one of the best videos on explaining how the club is released that I have ever seen.
I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip? www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY
People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and thousands more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games. This is my only source of income these days as the company I worked for has gone under.
My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!" I'd like to prove her wrong.
Play well! Thank you.
Excellent presentation and great illumination of the key elements of the golf swing, so good; not even poor sound quality could diminish the great insights. Thanks
I totally agree.
This is gonna help. My downswing is a disaster
Nice video. Can you describe how the straightening of the right arm fits into the concept of swinging L to L? Many thanks.
Swinging L to L is another one of those bad ideas that people promote who don't really understand the golf swing. Forget about L to L.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Wow. That deserves a video.
Forgive me, but I remember seeing one of your videos in which you showed how to use the "Gotcha" training aid to help feel the correct direction for the downswing intention. Can you point me to that video again please as I can't seem to find it and the "search" function was unavailing.---thanks, PHS
I used it in several videos. One is the first Holy Grail video, ua-cam.com/video/HeUwEwdKLc0/v-deo.html and the other is ua-cam.com/video/3L4BSIjHtms/v-deo.html
@@HolyGrailOfGolf thanks..good stuff!
What you are saying here is very important. Perhaps consider remaking this with audio that isn't so distorted.
You're right, there is a lot of good info in this video.
If you look at pros after impact their arms are pointing at target while their body is still facing the ball and their right forearm has turned over completely after impact
This guys got some.pretty amazimg stuff
Thank you. I think right now most everyone thinks I'm a whacko but more and more I'm seeing my theories in other videos. On my website I reveal all the secrets, well, I wouldn't really call them secrets, it's just that no one knows about them, about how a golf club actually works. It's bewildering to me that many drills and instruction are based on ridiculous and improper beliefs. The golf swing really isn't that complicated once you truly understand how the golf club works. We simply do not actively perform the motions that we desire - we need to learn how to create them through intention and cause and effect rather than active and controlled motions. One of these days I'll figure out how to say that properly. I'm sure there's a word for it. Play well!
I could not agree more
You mentioned trying to snap the shaft, reminds me of Couples saying he feels like a giant pair of scissors is cutting the shaft in half !
I never heard Freddy say that but it makes sense.
You claim what you say sounds silly, I think it’s genius! I haven’t yet put it to the test due to some health issues but it feels great making dry swings in the garage
Hi, while I understand what you’re saying, I can’t seem to get it right. If I try hitting the ball at waist high down or try driving my right arm down to 7:15 like you said I bury the club head about a foot behind the ball. For some reason this does not feel natural at all. I really need some help on how to get this down. Do you do video lessons?
Sure, we can work it out. OverhandGolf@usa.com I'm in a big stressful life transition right now so hopefully the hotel I stay at has good enough internet that I can do video lessons. Please forgive me if I don't get right back to you about. I may be MIA for a while.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf .......Good luck with that nasty divorce, mate! 👍👍
@@paso193 It's done. Now I just need THE SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND treatment. I wish I'd never met her. Literally, the worst thing to ever happen to me.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf …..😂🤣😂!
@@paso193 Every time I see your handle Glenn Campbell starts singing in my head.
so just take the club back and ALL I need to think about or do is drive or straighten the right arm to 7o clock and everything else will just happen??
Pretty much, if you're an athletic person and don't over think it. Give it a try. I think you'll be surprised.
@Greg,
I wonder whether this pre torque move is indispensible for a better swing. Try screwing in this imaginary lightbulb, so to speak, screws up my entire swing. Apparently a very difficult move for me to execute. Your 7.15 (or 4.45 as seen from the players point of view) aiming point helped me somewhat with my distances ( approx 10%) . Hence my question.
The rotation of the arm, if it's natural, is imperceptible to the player. Most likely you're doing it naturally and over-doing it when you actively do it. If you don't have a problem coming over the top, you do it naturally.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Thanks. I think you are amazingly more knowledgeable than 98% percent of renowned golfgurus.
How do you feel about the pump drill? These motions look very similar.
The "pump drill" works great as long as you understand what direction you need to swing the club. When you set the club parallel to the target line at about hip high, that's the HG point, so if you take the club up from there and then just try to slam the club straight back to that point and beyond in a linear motion, that's the HG swing.
The reason the pump drill doesn't help most people is they don't understand what direction to direct their swing or force. They set the pump and then try to swing is sideways, toward the target, instead of downward toward the ground.
We've all heard the phrase "swing through the ball," and everyone assumes that means delay the swing until after the ball is struck, but actually the opposite is true. If you swing before or behind the ball then you're swinging or moving the clubhead "through the ball" rather than AT the ball. Because of the length and flexibility of the shaft it takes time between the time we apply force to the handle before it reaches the clubhead ... we call that lag. If you try to apply power to the club at the very second you need it, the power will be late to reach the clubhead and the ball goes right.
Thanks so much for the reply! This might explain some very specific things for me. One thing I remember when they were talking about a swing analysis with Brooks koepka they said his max speed was actually a little bit before the ball which I found very odd. He must do some sort of version of this? Also another thing that I really appreciate is it definitely feels like it's a lot more leverage on the way down the angle you're talking about makes perfect sense and I almost have figured out that the firm left side really comes into play with this once you start getting a little further through the swing? I also wanted to thank you for the clarification of the right elbow movement with this! It almost feels like the right elbow and the left knee/left hip sort of counterbalance each other through impact?
@@jacobr4558 As I've said many times in many videos. Every good player does this, whether they know it or not. They figured it out through trial and error somewhere along the line and never truly realized what exactly it was that they were doing but remembered enough to keep doing it. I'm just pointing out what is truly happening in a way that everyone can understand. What I advocate isn't a different than traditional swing it's just a proper way to think about how to do it. People say to me, "I don't see anything different in your swing." Of course not, you can't see my intent.
So true! 95% of the swing is invisible. I finally got to hit some this morning and seems to work pretty well. Something that doesnt seem to come together for me is after holy trail point. Are you turning hard through after that or bracing with the left side to resist it? It seemed to feel better when I just turned but wasn't clear on my intent.
@@jacobr4558 When you swing full speed, after you pass the HG point you're just holding on and allowing your body to turn naturally. You shouldn't have to think about it.
This guy is defiantly on to something
I like it
Is this motion the same for irons? Hope everything works out for you!
Sure. With irons the imaginary ball is a little lower just because of the length of the shaft but the concept is always the same. It's simply how a golf club works. I've recently created a tennis racket in the design of a golf club and that thing is so whacky, looking at it, no one would think they know how to use it, but a golf club, everyone thinks they know how it works and they don't.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I did the same with a kid's badminton racket to identify the face. Your videos are helpful and to the point. I hope you start up again.
@@maxwired2235 Really? If you still have it, can you send me a picture of it. I'd love to see if you and I came up with the same design. OverhandGolf@usa.com Thanks. I'm planning a video using mine that I'll probably post here on UA-cam.
Holy shit, so much good information. To bad the audio is poo. Still, great job! 👍
Yeah, sorry about the audio. My mistake but the info is gold.
Great video, but my friend in the office is watching over my shoulder and he needs you to power wash your fence.
That's the color of the wood. I think. I think if I were to power wash it there wouldn't be anything left. We recently had to replace one side that blew down an it took years to turn this color so it matches all around.
You're watching golf videos on UA-cam at work? Shame.
Another way is to pause at the extension position then return the club to the impact position without moving the shoulders, gives the feeling of hitting through and power in the hips.
We're trying to simplify not complicate things. There are hundreds of ways to think of it but we only need one.
Does anyone know why I’m topping my shots when I’m doing the Holy Grail?
If you're topping the ball then you're not actually performing the HG swing. You're still attempting to help the ball in the air or your ball is too far forward. Imagine the ball is going go into the ground, not upward. It's like you're trying to mash the ball into the ground but because of the design of the club the ball flies upward. If you continue to have problems, send me a video OverhandGolf@usa.com
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Thanks a million. The crazy part is that I’m still hitting greens in reg. I just want to feel great contact. I was thinking that I’m releasing the club too soon, but I’ll keep working at it. Went from mid 80’s to high 70’s.
As I said earlier you need to make a video on the range or course.
Yeah, I'll get a little tripod that I can take out on the course ... or range.
I vote we pitch in for a new mic!
My bluetooth mic works as long as I use the right side. I this was totally my fault. The mic is hanging down my back and the wrong side is in my ear. Thanks for the support though.
Can you do a video on "The Magic of the Right Arm" that you talk about at 15:38. I've seen others call it "the move" but I like your explanation of it. Thanks!
You're right. I never really got to the point of the magic. What I'd forgotten to say was the that the right arm transforms from being a lever to being an axis and then back to being a lever again.
The move as I have seen it explained never goes anywhere specific and it is not even clear what goes down other than the club. When I did it, it started as swinging the clubhead about a foot above and behind the ball. From there I’d gradually moved until it was about five feet behind me an about 2 feet above , behind and inside the spot on the ground. At this point, my drives stabilized at 315 yards, dead straight with a lazy high trajectory. This was in 1973 and I stopped playing golf for years. I fooled around with the idea of pulling my elbows down yesterday and decided it worked best with pulling down with only the trail elbow with a circular backswing that felt like I was shoveling dirt and throwing it over my right shoulder. I did not get the right feel until the 10th hole after a bad drive. I could not aim for the green and anything longer than my 3 rescue seemed in advisable. I ended up hitting the ball about 235 yards and ending two yards left of the green. Executive golf course so skipping to next long hole after a bad drive hit another 3 rescue even better. Next long hole decided I had to swing freely without gathering muscles. 270 yards dead straight. Full disclosure I am 72 and playing at 7,300 feet altitude. I agree that swinging at the ball causes us to become ball bound. I am not sure the reasoning given is correct but I have used this “trick” in other sports and it does work. I called it swinging to a stop because in those sports I swung 90 degrees right to make my arms stop at contact then inched back to create a smooth swing. Never connected it with being ball bound until now.
found your video by accident and i whole heartily agree with everything you prescribe, especially the part about firing/straightening the right arm at 7:15, in fact that is literally the only part of you body that is actively moving towards the ball, everything else is trying is actually resisting the movement to the ball to create pressure and lag on the shaft. all poor golfers try to align their body and club head through impact in a linear fashion and they end up with poor dynamics, "impact just happens", its probably the biggest mental hurdle in any sport to over come.
By accident? Hopefully, you've watched a few more. There's more mind-blowing content. To me this stuff isn't that ground-breaking but for many of the viewers it is. I've been thinking about this stuff for far too long. I wish I could turn off my brain sometimes, but I can't. I'll wake up in the middle of the night with crazy ideas in my head. I'm glad you found me and like the videos. Play well.
Overhand Golf - As a beginner, my idea of the golf swing was that of a back and forth movement of the hands and club, on the same inclined plane, strait to the ball. It was an over the top, poor shoulder turn, mostly arms golf swing.
I knew there was something wrong with this 2D concept, but TV, UA-cam and books are 2D media, which makes it harder to understand the 3D nature of the real golf swing.
Eventually, I saw through the arms swing illusion, understood that hands and club weren’t on the same plane and presently I’m working to understand this notion of swinging to a point behind the ball. I was often intrigued by the impact position of elite golf players but this solves the puzzle. Thanks again
@@mmg6060 I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip? paypal.me/OverhandGolf
People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games and only a few nice people have given me a donation.
I don't mean to guilt you into anything. You do what feel is right. I don't want to be a jerk, but my wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!"
I'd like to prove here wrong.
Play well!
Overhand Golf You’re right, a nice golf book would cost me around $25. I hope it helps you keeping up the good work. Have you thought of writing one? It could be another way of monetizing your knowledge and insights.
@@mmg6060 I am considering the idea. I just spoke with my wife about it.
4.45 for a lefty?
That was excellent. You know it's good info to put up with the audio that sounded like pigs eating slop. ; )
I was crying my eyes out when I heard those sounds. If you listen closely, just to them, they're hilarious.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Yes! Sounds like the pigs are in a pond with a waterfall too!
13:10 was an ahah moment for me.
G-Man,
This is awesome.
I've used the Holy Grail swing over the last several rounds I've played. During the first round, it seemed to work well and I hit the ball great. In my second round I "lost" the feeling and I mishit the ball several times. Starting in my third round I came to the realization that I have to feel like I'm dumping, or to use a better term, releasing, the club down toward the target line to the right of my trail foot (I'm a RH golfer), while having a feeling of looseness in my arms. This has been the key for me to hit the ball consistently well. It's quite remarkable, but, it seems like one has to develop trust that the club will "show up" at the ball even though I'm releasing the club head relatively early in my downswing. Does that make sense?
I recently purchased a premium tee shirt and will be making my second donation to your PayPal account anon. I appreciate the work you put into your videos and look forward to more of your output.
Regards,
Vince Schiavo
You're right on track! With anything that works, we always try to make it work better and in so doing we break it, but that's part of the learning process. You don't drive your car as fast as it'll go every time you get in it and the same is true with golf. We need to learn that we have a speed that we work best and once you realize that you can stop thinking that farther is always better and start playing smart and scoring low. We have 13 lofted clubs for a reason - they go different distances. You don't have to make a 9 iron go 160 if you've got a 7 or 8 iron that'll do it for you.
Although you feel like you're "dumping" the club or energy early you're actually not. It all has to do with the physics of the club and the length of the shaft. It takes time for that energy to reach the clubhead and by feeling like you're dumping in early is exactly what it should feel like. If the club was 6" long you'd be right but it's 4' long and we have to compensate for that length. We all think that because the shaft is so skinny and small that it's insignificant but it's incredibly important and when you learn how to respect it and the time that it requires to deliver the power, you can hit the ball long and straight with what looks like very little effort. There's a reason the shaft is so skinny and as flexible as it is ... that's what works best and incredibly well.
I once bought a club with a thick, non-tapered shaft just to see how it worked and was amazed at how badly it performed. I made that into my baseball bat/club that you've probably seen in a video or two.
BTW this is a great subject for a new video, so, thank you.
Don't get discouraged. You'll always get better, and then worse, at least in your opinion, and then better again without realizing it. It's all about expectations and controlling the trill of learning something new. If you think more about fairways and greens than distance you'll have a scorecard that you're not impressed with but will most likely win you some good money.
One final thought, don't ever think about your final score while you're playing. If you've made a few birdies try to make a few more not protect what you've already done. You control the score not the other way around. Just play and what happens, happens. I played recently and made 6 birdies and I said I want 7. My ball hit a tiny rock and didn't go in for 7 but I wasn't trying to protect any score because it didn't matter. Go low and don't think about it! Add'em up when you're done. If anything, imagine you're playing 27 holes.
Ok, the reason I say this is that being aware of a good score sucks. I once shot -5 for 9 holes in a tournament and my playing partner said, "OMG you just shot 5 under on the front!" ... so what did I do?... +5 on the back ... I knew I had the tournament won and started playing to protect my score.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I appreciate the explication and encouragement. I’m glad I have the right concept and I’ll continue to think of the swing this way.
I had a contemporary once tell me I was -2 on the back side as we walked off the 16th green. Of course, I promptly triple bogeyed the 17th hole. The part I was most proud of though was I bounced back with a par on 18.
Again, thanks very much for taking the time to reply. I’d really like to meet you in person some day. You’re a good lad.
Kindest Regards,
Vince
@@vinceschiavo5385 I was thinking of doing a show like Bar Rescue or Dirty Jobs where I go visit people and help them with their golf game. I think it'd be really interesting and possibly get a lot of views on youtube. When I get a chance I'll make a video and ask if anyone would like to be on the show.
Wow, that is a crash course in the physics of the golf swing!
Great video, I have developed a training aid that gives you instant feedback in any part of the swing and let's you know if you are going to hook or slice when reaching your ball and can give anyone a correct swing in 10 swings
What is this mythical training aid called?
It didn’t sound that bad. It only sounded like someone recorded your video with their phone while eating a cup of ice
Great video,lots of excellent info.But almost unwatchable due to the audio.
Sorry about that. I almost didn't put it out but I didn't want to rerecord it so I did my best to fix it.
I’ve just had my aha moment
I wonder what the count is of people trying this for the first time and driving it into the ground?
I would say none because it's physically impossible. It feels like you could, but you can't and that's why no one tries it or does it naturally.
I have a quick question. In your first couple of videos explaining the Holy Grail swing, when you're hitting the imaginary ball on the same plane as your Club angle you instruct us to hit it basically straight down on that angle. In this video you have the alignment stick somewhat tilted out to 7:15 p.m. should we be hitting the imaginary ball downward and on that particular angle which is basically away from us and somewhat behind us? Thank you for your time I appreciate your insights!
It's the same concept but this one we're talking about the imagined linear path of the clubhead rather than the linear path of the center of the shaft. Also, when I say "straight down" I mean diagonally straight down, not plumb vertical.
Got to watch that Indian food ... nothing worse than a bad experience with "disaster pants".
Seems like the one consistent observation I see in your swing, and other great ball strikers, is the trailing elbow is always tucked in to the side of your stomach/chest area at approximately the first two thirds of the swing. I've tried this adjustment on my own swing with very favorable results. Is this something that you would comment on, please?
I'm working on a video about the right elbow and how everyone gets it wrong by just trying to "get it" in front. It's not about that, it gets there for a reason.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf ... Thanks for commenting ... I'm definitely looking forward to this new video and getting a better understanding of the trailing elbow.
Yes, I probably should ...