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The GTS also allows you to spec the Aero Kit (gloss black or body coloured) which you can no longer get on the S and to my eyes makes a huge difference. The GTS features reduced sound proofing to allow more induction / exhaust sound from the standard sport exhaust. The GTS sits 10mm lower (option on the S). The performance difference between an S and GTS will be less tangible for sure. However comparing your own base 992 to a GTS will be notably different. Having previously owned a 991.2 C2S and then having driven a T back to back (loan car for three weeks).. on paper not a huge difference, but most definitely noticeable in reality. Base engine does have a quicker response to throttle inputs. The value in getting a GTS is definitely worth it depending on how you'd otherwise spec an S, Porsche wouldn't have introduced another GTS otherwise IMO. Residual values also strengthen the argument in favour of an GTS. p.s. I happen to have a GTS November build slot. I did Like the video
Hey Cowan. That’s fair I’d be happy to hear feedback on the 992 GTS once your car arrives too. My feelings and reasons do stem from how I use the C2 so are biased towards the lesser need for performance verses cost. I can’t fault the residual value aspect of the car your right on that.
Besides all of the above mentioned features, the chassis of the GTS is derived from the turbo models instead of the carrera and the Suspension is also completely changed. you also get helper springs added to the suspension which makes the car more like a GT3 which is what the GTS was intended to be. All of the features that i mentioned CANNOT be added on to a carrera. I wont consider wheels as a bonus on the GTS even tho there are 3 free options, the spyder wheels are the only one i'll chose. The centerlock wheels look nice but are a PITA to change. Also there are more wheel options in the standard carrera Considering performance, its not much but you can feel the extra torque if you drive both cars back to back and truth be told, unless you're on a track/autobahn you will never experience the full power of any 911, which is why i think the base carrera is the most "fun" 911 because its more easier to push it to its limits.
Very valuable points there. I would agree it's harder to push high performance cars on normal roads now. That really does affect my feelings towards how I think about purchasing higher performance cars for use on the normal roads when it comes to how much extra fun you will get out of them.
I would go with a Carrera S. Plenty of power and a few dollars or pounds less. Prefer the leather to Race-Tex. Rooting for England in the Euro final. Cheers😎
In agreement with you Gilbert. I'm also not a great fan of the Race-Tex either. Not on an everyday road going car anyway. You and me both! Fingers crossed although I watched Italy in the Semi- Final. It will be interesting! All the best!
With a standard Carrera doing 0-60 in 3.6, I think that will be enough for most people - unless someone wants the upgraded brakes & rear diff of the S for track days. The GTS may have more turbo lag from the larger turbos low down, so again the Carrera with smaller turbos might be the better road car.
The standard C2 was more than enough for me. Out on the normal roads I had a 4S demo for the day to try out before committing to my build. I didn't think for me as a daily I needed something up there in the range. I wouldn't get enough out of it on the normal roads. I'm never go tracking my daily car I couldn't afford to do it. For me if I really wanted to do it I would look for a sensible priced 992 turbo once the market comes back down in the future. That could be a while now though!
If you are in the UK making the purchase through a PCP remember that it is valued on the base price and therefore does not allow for any options in the guaranteed price. Thus if you are adding the options to an S I would recommend checking and comparing the two model costs.
I’ve compared the S configurator final value to the base value of the GTS. What have I missed that makes up a guaranteed price? The final value on the configurator on my C2 was the same as value used on the PCP. I’m not sure what you mean?
Means if the base price is £90k and you add £10k in extras when it comes to selling/valuing your car OPC will not take extras into consideration. I had that exact experience when I tried to sell/px my Porsche to OPC
@@apollineire If he is referring to the final price at the end of the PCP term I know they refer to that as the guaranteed price as you have explained. Whether or not the market place agrees at the time is another thing. I've been in that position a couple of times. At which point you have value in the car or you can just hand the car back paying any excesses. But it's always a prediction based on general market trends. I just wasn't discussing the value of any PCP finance in my comparison, just the actual RRP price new. It wasn't something I brought up in the video future used values. I just wondered if it was referring to something else. Although reading the comment again I can see the point being made is that the S in future with options added will likely not hold the same residual value as the GTS included as a base model. So if you were wanting all those options included on the GTS even from a second hand value stance later yes it's an even better idea to jump up.
@@Get10Yards - my point is that you pay roughly £30 per month for every £1000 of options. If those options are what you want and appear on the GTS then moving to a GTS makes sense if you value the guaranteed value - certain worked that way for me when I had my 718 GTS. As throughout virtually all the agreement period the guaranteed value exceeded how much my Porsche Centre would offer.
Hey Mark, yep the penny dropped what you meant after the other comment talking about the final value. They told me in the dealer that options were totally a personal choice. When it comes to buy back or market value later the options cost added become completely devalued and the car is mostly tied to depreciation of the original model price. As you have said if you are looking at the PCP costs and future value of the car it's worth considering a higher base spec'd model for the residual value / guaranteed price if you are adding higher model included options. I have suffered the same issue with BMW's in the past when the car market turned south on a model the final value on the PCP exceeded the value of the car all the way to the end of the agreement. I ended up just chucking them the keys at the end and walking away.
GTS is NOT an S with the extra options. Chassis is better, bigger breaks, helper springs, etc. that you simply cannot put as option on an S. On the other hand, do you really need all of that. What I like best about the GTS and overall about higher range base models is that the % of options vs base price is always less and this comes in handy when reselling as many look at the base price of a car and do not want to pay for all the extra options. Then again, you might have more buyers which believe lower end models are more affordable. Everything has pros and cons but if you have the money, I would with no doubt go for the GTS instead of S.
That's true, the case with most higher models of any car where extra options are built into the price are always better value. They price them that way and also the residual holds on the standard spec of a higher model better than a lower model with the same options added. That's the market and perception of value that comes with different models. There is a range of specs designed to fit different price points to give the choice to get into the brand. I think it's always a case of needs vs wants and what you want the car for. As you say people have different opinions and not all finances are the same. It would have been quite a jump from the C2 to a GTS where I don't think I could see a benefit. I think the 992 C2 is already that good. It's just my opinion I respect others points of view. I'm just sharing my views on costs from my ownership experience.
I actually only had the C2 Simon. Which starts at the 385 PS. I had borrowed a C4S 992 demonstrator when I ordered my car and found once I got my C2 that it didn't feel that much slower on the open road. I would say unless you are getting the chance to push the car somewhere like a track or you live somewhere you can push it on the open road without speed cameras etc you will wont see as much of a difference as you would think. So your biggest difference really comes down to the included options for the costs and how much you want to spend I think. Obviously also the residual values for models hold better if you aren't over optioning them as the options values don't hold, it is accepted the base value of the car mostly follows the depreciate curve on all models. I have literally just been to the experience centre and driven the Turbo S round their test tracks. Other than being on the straights where I could really get my foot down. It felt like I was in my C2, the C2 on it's own was that good. The extra power and acceleration only came up on the straights (for me anyway as an average driver). I also had very little, to no issue with traction or stability on the C2 where I am not sure I would need the C4 all wheel drive system. On older cars I think it was a bigger difference, but I only managed to get the rear end to come unstuck in the snow on my C2. That's all just my feedback though. I would say take in opinions of others and see what they say too and see where your thoughts sit. See how many options are cost extra on all models or included in a model price as well. That might affect which model you want too.
The Carrera S does official 0-60 in 3.7 seconds (more like 3 seconds as per reviews), the 992 GTS is listed 0-60 at 3.4seconds , as is the GT3, which means realistically it would do 2.7 seconds (as per GT3 reviews). Porsche always understates Power and performance figures. I didn't get my C2S with the -10mm setting as I was unaware of the dramatic looks, and so I am looking to trade in my 2021 c2s and order a brand new Carrera GTS for this reason, another plus point is the wider and larger brake discs, which look better and increase performance as well as the new Turbo center lock wheels which have the center wheel caps in gold. After a thorough evaluation and even considering a 992 Turbo, I still feel the best bang for the buck is the GTS (yes it is expensive still, but worth it in my opinion). They are also advertising the GTS with newer helper springs at the rear as well, looking forward to some reviews. I just wonder what the new Corvette Z06 will perform like compared to the GTS. Thanks for your review!
Nice points Robin. Thanks for adding those. Once things get back to normal if the dealer has a demo I can borrow I will try to get into it. See if my cost review for an upgrade is beaten by the driving experience. I think if it was a flip between the Turbo and a GTS I would go towards the GTS too. Plus at the moment it is a 2 year waiting list to order a Turbo model. I checked with my dealer after other people had said. The 992 models are 6-9 months but I think they managed to get a build slot after 3 for someone. So maybe that is luck of the draw right now.
Thx for the review! Seeing the price comparison between S and GTS, my initial thought was as well that you just get extra design features which you can already get for the S, just with a slight discount overall on the gts if you add them all up. But as they say, even if marketing says you save up money for the GTS, you are still paying more compared to if you didnt pay for s.th. you dont need in the first place. Besides that, one general question: Lately I was looking on the prices for 1-2 year old 911s and noticed that they are almost at the same level as brand new, some even higher than the purchase price of a new one recording to porsche homepage and those didnt even look like they were speced with tons of stuff. I knew that Porsche depreciate very slowly but I never expected used cars to be more expansive or even at the same level as brand new Porsches. Is s.th. unusual going on in the market?
At the moment I can even sell my 992 c2 for more than I paid new 16 months ago. No its not usual. Porsches are all made to order so the lack of supply has pushed up the used prices on all Porsches. Once the supply comes back to normal the prices will start to ease as more second hand cars come back to the market. At the moment people are being quoted 9-12 months delivery from new orders. I checked this week with the dealer. There is a 2 plus year wait now for a new Turbo! I was considering putting a deposit on something for when my finance is due to change. So it could be the normal depreciation curve returns on the lower models sooner than the Turbos. Im guessing into the new year once cars start coming back through.
I think it's worth considering! The 992 GTS sounds like a great car with plenty of kit as standard along with historically really good residuals. It is nearly 100k though 😬
Yeah it's the price that puts me off it. When it's not bringing that much more than an S when it comes to performance. If I was buying new and I had no 911 to start with I would personally just go to the S and put some of the body kit options on it to make it look like a GTS. I think it is hard to say what will happen with the second hand prices on these in the near future. I hold out hope that when it hits the 992.2 version maybe they will drop the GT3 engine in it like they did on the 718 GTS when everyone shouted back about it being the 2.5 turbo. Not sure they will do that though as you have the Turbo model sitting above it where you don't on the 718!
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as you stated, residuals are very high at present, I was in Porsche Newcastle last week and they would be interested in my car, but there would be no replacement, there are no new vehicles out there.... well a yellow with very shiny black bits was in the showroom. In short, even if you wanted one, you will struggle to get one.
Hey Kevan. That doesn't surprise me to be honest. I think other people who have ordered cars around the country on here were being told next year for delivery. It will be interesting to see how the second hand values hold up. I was going to take a look down there once the restrictions change and see what they actually had. I suspect they will have some demo cars on order but likely presold them.
Mate, u forgot the helper-springs which are taken out of the Turbo :-) they come in by default, too. Plus a friend of mine working at Porsche told me that it isn‘t really ‚just‘ 30PS. On paper it is, but in reality it is closer to 500+. Reason for that is, that they didn‘t want to come too close to the new GT3, so they were very…conservative…with their PS-statement.
Yeah I think these cars are obviously geared not to affect higher or other versions of the 992 as not to effect their place in the range. If what they are saying on paper is different to what you would get if you checked it on a rolling road is interesting. I think people have proved that by all the remapping videos I’ve seen on UA-cam now on all models including the Turbos if you want to do it. Will have to wait and see if some people get some GTS models on here and modified to see what it can do in reality maybe?
@@Get10Yards The GTS will be quicker in every performance measure in a straight line compared to a new GT3. There is another video clip on youtube showing a race between a new 992 S and 991.2 GT3.. 992 walked away from from the GT3. The sheer amount of torque from the 3.0TT over compensates for the lack of outright power. But that's not the point of the GT3, it's the noise, the feel.. etc. . All these variants are too quick for the road already. My own personal goal is a new GT3 Touring.. at which point I'll probably sell my manual 718 Spyder, but if the GTS is better than expected.. the GT3 won't be necessary. I've just sold my Ferrari F12 which had 730hp... simply too much power and pretty much unusable on the road. My Spyder is way more enjoyable. I do appreciate we're all different and power to you whatever choice you make!
Interesting feedback on the F12 Cowan as that was something I think they said on top gear when it came out. The thing is sometimes you have to take the power/performance that comes with something just to get that car don’t you. The GTS will likely be a more useable daily car than the GT3 as well do you think? I am interested to hear your feedback on it once you have it. You’ve had a lot of other performance model so I think you’re thoughts are very informative. The performance factor is a very much down to the individuals opinions like you say. I use my 911 daily where the C2 covers my needs. If it were something I enjoyed occasionally as a second car I’d want something higher performance definitely.
@@Get10Yards I'll happily come back to you once the GTS arrives. Granted, the GTS will be much more usable on road, certainly considering I have two small children and there are no back seats in the GT3. The GTS won't be a daily for me though. The F12 proved to me that we've arrived at a point where the performance envelope can't really be pushed any further (law of diminishing returns) and no new 911 could ever be considered slow. The fact that the new GT3 barely has any more power over the outgoing model underlines that fact. We all used to chase those power and performance headlines, but for me personally it's all about involvement, feel and sound now. I'm not expecting the GTS to sound as good as my Spyder though, but at least I did order it as a manual therefore sacrificing performance in exchange for more involvement.
I couldn’t agree more on the performance point really being pushed to the limit with a lot of the cars now. I think you’re right about it being as much about feel too. Yep would be very hard getting the 2 kids on the GT3! Hopefully the GTS is a good difference maker!
I just drove the 2021 Carrera S and then a 2021 GTS. The difference is there is zero lag on the GTS. Loved the S but there is, admittedly a slight lag when you step into it.
Could you feel a lag? If I dropped the gears on the C2 before putting my foot down I had felt there was no lag. Was it the extra power making it more aggressive on the response?
@@Get10Yards a little bit on the S but then it whipped my entire body back into the seat and took off like nothing I’ve ever had the privilege of driving in my 48yrs on earth. Sport mode..maybe I did something wrong.. I take delivery of a new S on Friday. Can barely sleep..I feel like a 6 year old waiting for Santa.
@@jonasirw1 Ah I can imagine your excitement. I have always enjoyed picking up a new car but getting the 911 was a special day. Really hope you enjoy it and I have to say the sport button is a tremendous amount of fun!
@@knick11695 I’m still studying in the school of Porsche. I accidentally caught the fever when I was buying my daughter her first car (beetle) at the Porsche dealership about a month ago. Also, I was still high from driving the S. Dealer did mention that the GTS was just purchased (barely used) back from a customer so it couldn’t have been a ‘21 although it felt brand new. Dealer said the GTS is worth more now vs when they originally sold it. Crazy
True but in the real world on normal roads do you need to spend the extra money to get that which you can't see? I know it will make a difference on a track but if you are stretching to get to a GTS over an S is it important for a daily driver?
Well my view was from the point of upgrading from a C2 that I already owned. But to get the resale value you have to put up the cash for the higher value. So it's only worth it if you actually want to pay for a GTS in the first place? Not everyone has that type of money or would be stretching.
That’s fair enough. I’m really thinking about it from the position of upgrading from a C2 and the cost. If I were buying from scratch I may feel differently depending on the finance offer.
@@carreralicious Indeed some people would like the manual. I have had both a 7 & 8 speed PDK in both my last new Porsches. I can't comment on the manual to say whether I would prefer it as the dealer has never had one (although I've asked plenty). I am going to test drive a manual at the experience centre eventually to find out for myself.
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The GTS also allows you to spec the Aero Kit (gloss black or body coloured) which you can no longer get on the S and to my eyes makes a huge difference. The GTS features reduced sound proofing to allow more induction / exhaust sound from the standard sport exhaust. The GTS sits 10mm lower (option on the S). The performance difference between an S and GTS will be less tangible for sure. However comparing your own base 992 to a GTS will be notably different. Having previously owned a 991.2 C2S and then having driven a T back to back (loan car for three weeks).. on paper not a huge difference, but most definitely noticeable in reality. Base engine does have a quicker response to throttle inputs. The value in getting a GTS is definitely worth it depending on how you'd otherwise spec an S, Porsche wouldn't have introduced another GTS otherwise IMO. Residual values also strengthen the argument in favour of an GTS. p.s. I happen to have a GTS November build slot. I did Like the video
Hey Cowan. That’s fair I’d be happy to hear feedback on the 992 GTS once your car arrives too. My feelings and reasons do stem from how I use the C2 so are biased towards the lesser need for performance verses cost. I can’t fault the residual value aspect of the car your right on that.
Besides all of the above mentioned features, the chassis of the GTS is derived from the turbo models instead of the carrera and the Suspension is also completely changed. you also get helper springs added to the suspension which makes the car more like a GT3 which is what the GTS was intended to be. All of the features that i mentioned CANNOT be added on to a carrera.
I wont consider wheels as a bonus on the GTS even tho there are 3 free options, the spyder wheels are the only one i'll chose. The centerlock wheels look nice but are a PITA to change. Also there are more wheel options in the standard carrera
Considering performance, its not much but you can feel the extra torque if you drive both cars back to back and truth be told, unless you're on a track/autobahn you will never experience the full power of any 911, which is why i think the base carrera is the most "fun" 911 because its more easier to push it to its limits.
Very valuable points there. I would agree it's harder to push high performance cars on normal roads now. That really does affect my feelings towards how I think about purchasing higher performance cars for use on the normal roads when it comes to how much extra fun you will get out of them.
I would go with a Carrera S. Plenty of power and a few dollars or pounds less. Prefer the leather to Race-Tex. Rooting for England in the Euro final. Cheers😎
In agreement with you Gilbert. I'm also not a great fan of the Race-Tex either. Not on an everyday road going car anyway.
You and me both! Fingers crossed although I watched Italy in the Semi- Final. It will be interesting! All the best!
With a standard Carrera doing 0-60 in 3.6, I think that will be enough for most people - unless someone wants the upgraded brakes & rear diff of the S for track days. The GTS may have more turbo lag from the larger turbos low down, so again the Carrera with smaller turbos might be the better road car.
The standard C2 was more than enough for me. Out on the normal roads I had a 4S demo for the day to try out before committing to my build. I didn't think for me as a daily I needed something up there in the range. I wouldn't get enough out of it on the normal roads. I'm never go tracking my daily car I couldn't afford to do it. For me if I really wanted to do it I would look for a sensible priced 992 turbo once the market comes back down in the future. That could be a while now though!
If you are in the UK making the purchase through a PCP remember that it is valued on the base price and therefore does not allow for any options in the guaranteed price. Thus if you are adding the options to an S I would recommend checking and comparing the two model costs.
I’ve compared the S configurator final value to the base value of the GTS. What have I missed that makes up a guaranteed price? The final value on the configurator on my C2 was the same as value used on the PCP. I’m not sure what you mean?
Means if the base price is £90k and you add £10k in extras when it comes to selling/valuing your car OPC will not take extras into consideration.
I had that exact experience when I tried to sell/px my Porsche to OPC
@@apollineire If he is referring to the final price at the end of the PCP term I know they refer to that as the guaranteed price as you have explained. Whether or not the market place agrees at the time is another thing. I've been in that position a couple of times.
At which point you have value in the car or you can just hand the car back paying any excesses. But it's always a prediction based on general market trends.
I just wasn't discussing the value of any PCP finance in my comparison, just the actual RRP price new. It wasn't something I brought up in the video future used values.
I just wondered if it was referring to something else.
Although reading the comment again I can see the point being made is that the S in future with options added will likely not hold the same residual value as the GTS included as a base model.
So if you were wanting all those options included on the GTS even from a second hand value stance later yes it's an even better idea to jump up.
@@Get10Yards - my point is that you pay roughly £30 per month for every £1000 of options. If those options are what you want and appear on the GTS then moving to a GTS makes sense if you value the guaranteed value - certain worked that way for me when I had my 718 GTS. As throughout virtually all the agreement period the guaranteed value exceeded how much my Porsche Centre would offer.
Hey Mark, yep the penny dropped what you meant after the other comment talking about the final value. They told me in the dealer that options were totally a personal choice. When it comes to buy back or market value later the options cost added become completely devalued and the car is mostly tied to depreciation of the original model price.
As you have said if you are looking at the PCP costs and future value of the car it's worth considering a higher base spec'd model for the residual value / guaranteed price if you are adding higher model included options.
I have suffered the same issue with BMW's in the past when the car market turned south on a model the final value on the PCP exceeded the value of the car all the way to the end of the agreement. I ended up just chucking them the keys at the end and walking away.
GTS is NOT an S with the extra options. Chassis is better, bigger breaks, helper springs, etc. that you simply cannot put as option on an S. On the other hand, do you really need all of that. What I like best about the GTS and overall about higher range base models is that the % of options vs base price is always less and this comes in handy when reselling as many look at the base price of a car and do not want to pay for all the extra options. Then again, you might have more buyers which believe lower end models are more affordable. Everything has pros and cons but if you have the money, I would with no doubt go for the GTS instead of S.
That's true, the case with most higher models of any car where extra options are built into the price are always better value. They price them that way and also the residual holds on the standard spec of a higher model better than a lower model with the same options added. That's the market and perception of value that comes with different models.
There is a range of specs designed to fit different price points to give the choice to get into the brand. I think it's always a case of needs vs wants and what you want the car for. As you say people have different opinions and not all finances are the same.
It would have been quite a jump from the C2 to a GTS where I don't think I could see a benefit. I think the 992 C2 is already that good. It's just my opinion I respect others points of view. I'm just sharing my views on costs from my ownership experience.
Steve, what are your thoughts on the GTS C4 as a Turbo alternative for a lot less money? And also how do you see the GTS C4 as an upgrade to your S?
I actually only had the C2 Simon. Which starts at the 385 PS. I had borrowed a C4S 992 demonstrator when I ordered my car and found once I got my C2 that it didn't feel that much slower on the open road. I would say unless you are getting the chance to push the car somewhere like a track or you live somewhere you can push it on the open road without speed cameras etc you will wont see as much of a difference as you would think.
So your biggest difference really comes down to the included options for the costs and how much you want to spend I think.
Obviously also the residual values for models hold better if you aren't over optioning them as the options values don't hold, it is accepted the base value of the car mostly follows the depreciate curve on all models.
I have literally just been to the experience centre and driven the Turbo S round their test tracks. Other than being on the straights where I could really get my foot down. It felt like I was in my C2, the C2 on it's own was that good. The extra power and acceleration only came up on the straights (for me anyway as an average driver).
I also had very little, to no issue with traction or stability on the C2 where I am not sure I would need the C4 all wheel drive system. On older cars I think it was a bigger difference, but I only managed to get the rear end to come unstuck in the snow on my C2.
That's all just my feedback though. I would say take in opinions of others and see what they say too and see where your thoughts sit.
See how many options are cost extra on all models or included in a model price as well. That might affect which model you want too.
The Carrera S does official 0-60 in 3.7 seconds (more like 3 seconds as per reviews), the 992 GTS is listed 0-60 at 3.4seconds , as is the GT3, which means realistically it would do 2.7 seconds (as per GT3 reviews). Porsche always understates Power and performance figures. I didn't get my C2S with the -10mm setting as I was unaware of the dramatic looks, and so I am looking to trade in my 2021 c2s and order a brand new Carrera GTS for this reason, another plus point is the wider and larger brake discs, which look better and increase performance as well as the new Turbo center lock wheels which have the center wheel caps in gold. After a thorough evaluation and even considering a 992 Turbo, I still feel the best bang for the buck is the GTS (yes it is expensive still, but worth it in my opinion). They are also advertising the GTS with newer helper springs at the rear as well, looking forward to some reviews. I just wonder what the new Corvette Z06 will perform like compared to the GTS. Thanks for your review!
Nice points Robin. Thanks for adding those. Once things get back to normal if the dealer has a demo I can borrow I will try to get into it. See if my cost review for an upgrade is beaten by the driving experience. I think if it was a flip between the Turbo and a GTS I would go towards the GTS too. Plus at the moment it is a 2 year waiting list to order a Turbo model. I checked with my dealer after other people had said. The 992 models are 6-9 months but I think they managed to get a build slot after 3 for someone. So maybe that is luck of the draw right now.
The only carrera model that can do 3.0 seconds is the 4S.... Base carerra and the 4 cant do that.....
The real comparison will be 4S vs GTS
Thx for the review! Seeing the price comparison between S and GTS, my initial thought was as well that you just get extra design features which you can already get for the S, just with a slight discount overall on the gts if you add them all up. But as they say, even if marketing says you save up money for the GTS, you are still paying more compared to if you didnt pay for s.th. you dont need in the first place. Besides that, one general question: Lately I was looking on the prices for 1-2 year old 911s and noticed that they are almost at the same level as brand new, some even higher than the purchase price of a new one recording to porsche homepage and those didnt even look like they were speced with tons of stuff. I knew that Porsche depreciate very slowly but I never expected used cars to be more expansive or even at the same level as brand new Porsches. Is s.th. unusual going on in the market?
At the moment I can even sell my 992 c2 for more than I paid new 16 months ago. No its not usual. Porsches are all made to order so the lack of supply has pushed up the used prices on all Porsches. Once the supply comes back to normal the prices will start to ease as more second hand cars come back to the market. At the moment people are being quoted 9-12 months delivery from new orders. I checked this week with the dealer. There is a 2 plus year wait now for a new Turbo! I was considering putting a deposit on something for when my finance is due to change.
So it could be the normal depreciation curve returns on the lower models sooner than the Turbos. Im guessing into the new year once cars start coming back through.
GTS seems like a great value model in the 992 range! 👍👍
It is for the options included if you are looking for the extra performance too.
Turbo chassis and rear helper springs only come on GTS too. (Unless I missed this in video)
I think it's worth considering! The 992 GTS sounds like a great car with plenty of kit as standard along with historically really good residuals. It is nearly 100k though 😬
Yeah it's the price that puts me off it. When it's not bringing that much more than an S when it comes to performance. If I was buying new and I had no 911 to start with I would personally just go to the S and put some of the body kit options on it to make it look like a GTS. I think it is hard to say what will happen with the second hand prices on these in the near future.
I hold out hope that when it hits the 992.2 version maybe they will drop the GT3 engine in it like they did on the 718 GTS when everyone shouted back about it being the 2.5 turbo.
Not sure they will do that though as you have the Turbo model sitting above it where you don't on the 718!
@@Get10Yards Great point! If you ever wanted to do a Zoom chat talking Porsche bits to record for both our channels let me know as I think others would find it interesting. I have a contact email on my YT channel about section plus Instagram if you fancy it👍
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as you stated, residuals are very high at present, I was in Porsche Newcastle last week and they would be interested in my car, but there would be no replacement, there are no new vehicles out there.... well a yellow with very shiny black bits was in the showroom. In short, even if you wanted one, you will struggle to get one.
Hey Kevan. That doesn't surprise me to be honest. I think other people who have ordered cars around the country on here were being told next year for delivery. It will be interesting to see how the second hand values hold up. I was going to take a look down there once the restrictions change and see what they actually had. I suspect they will have some demo cars on order but likely presold them.
Mate, u forgot the helper-springs which are taken out of the Turbo :-) they come in by default, too. Plus a friend of mine working at Porsche told me that it isn‘t really ‚just‘ 30PS. On paper it is, but in reality it is closer to 500+. Reason for that is, that they didn‘t want to come too close to the new GT3, so they were very…conservative…with their PS-statement.
Yeah I think these cars are obviously geared not to affect higher or other versions of the 992 as not to effect their place in the range. If what they are saying on paper is different to what you would get if you checked it on a rolling road is interesting. I think people have proved that by all the remapping videos I’ve seen on UA-cam now on all models including the Turbos if you want to do it. Will have to wait and see if some people get some GTS models on here and modified to see what it can do in reality maybe?
@@Get10Yards The GTS will be quicker in every performance measure in a straight line compared to a new GT3. There is another video clip on youtube showing a race between a new 992 S and 991.2 GT3.. 992 walked away from from the GT3. The sheer amount of torque from the 3.0TT over compensates for the lack of outright power. But that's not the point of the GT3, it's the noise, the feel.. etc. . All these variants are too quick for the road already. My own personal goal is a new GT3 Touring.. at which point I'll probably sell my manual 718 Spyder, but if the GTS is better than expected.. the GT3 won't be necessary. I've just sold my Ferrari F12 which had 730hp... simply too much power and pretty much unusable on the road. My Spyder is way more enjoyable. I do appreciate we're all different and power to you whatever choice you make!
Interesting feedback on the F12 Cowan as that was something I think they said on top gear when it came out. The thing is sometimes you have to take the power/performance that comes with something just to get that car don’t you.
The GTS will likely be a more useable daily car than the GT3 as well do you think? I am interested to hear your feedback on it once you have it. You’ve had a lot of other performance model so I think you’re thoughts are very informative.
The performance factor is a very much down to the individuals opinions like you say. I use my 911 daily where the C2 covers my needs. If it were something I enjoyed occasionally as a second car I’d want something higher performance definitely.
@@Get10Yards I'll happily come back to you once the GTS arrives. Granted, the GTS will be much more usable on road, certainly considering I have two small children and there are no back seats in the GT3. The GTS won't be a daily for me though. The F12 proved to me that we've arrived at a point where the performance envelope can't really be pushed any further (law of diminishing returns) and no new 911 could ever be considered slow. The fact that the new GT3 barely has any more power over the outgoing model underlines that fact. We all used to chase those power and performance headlines, but for me personally it's all about involvement, feel and sound now. I'm not expecting the GTS to sound as good as my Spyder though, but at least I did order it as a manual therefore sacrificing performance in exchange for more involvement.
I couldn’t agree more on the performance point really being pushed to the limit with a lot of the cars now. I think you’re right about it being as much about feel too. Yep would be very hard getting the 2 kids on the GT3! Hopefully the GTS is a good difference maker!
I just drove the 2021 Carrera S and then a 2021 GTS. The difference is there is zero lag on the GTS. Loved the S but there is, admittedly a slight lag when you step into it.
That’s awesome! Where did you find a new GTS? I thought they were delayed a bit
Could you feel a lag? If I dropped the gears on the C2 before putting my foot down I had felt there was no lag. Was it the extra power making it more aggressive on the response?
@@Get10Yards a little bit on the S but then it whipped my entire body back into the seat and took off like nothing I’ve ever had the privilege of driving in my 48yrs on earth. Sport mode..maybe I did something wrong..
I take delivery of a new S on Friday. Can barely sleep..I feel like a 6 year old waiting for Santa.
@@jonasirw1 Ah I can imagine your excitement. I have always enjoyed picking up a new car but getting the 911 was a special day. Really hope you enjoy it and I have to say the sport button is a tremendous amount of fun!
@@knick11695 I’m still studying in the school of Porsche. I accidentally caught the fever when I was buying my daughter her first car (beetle) at the Porsche dealership about a month ago. Also, I was still high from driving the S. Dealer did mention that the GTS was just purchased (barely used) back from a customer so it couldn’t have been a ‘21 although it felt brand new. Dealer said the GTS is worth more now vs when they originally sold it. Crazy
GTS. Better sound, Turbo suspension with rear helper springs, Turbo brakes, more power. None of that can be factory optioned on an S.
True but in the real world on normal roads do you need to spend the extra money to get that which you can't see? I know it will make a difference on a track but if you are stretching to get to a GTS over an S is it important for a daily driver?
Yes! On the Resale value
Well my view was from the point of upgrading from a C2 that I already owned. But to get the resale value you have to put up the cash for the higher value. So it's only worth it if you actually want to pay for a GTS in the first place? Not everyone has that type of money or would be stretching.
GTS is absolutely worth it. Can’t get behind your opinion on this.
That’s fair enough. I’m really thinking about it from the position of upgrading from a C2 and the cost. If I were buying from scratch I may feel differently depending on the finance offer.
Not worth upgrade. Wait for the 992.2 for a change in my opinion
I think I was going to do any type of upgrade I would agree with that.
The S or GTS is worth it cause they offer it in a manual!
That's true if you require the manual and don't like the PDK that comes standard.
@@Get10Yards I require the manual even though the PDK is so good at what it does. I think I could “settle” for the S though.
@@carreralicious Indeed some people would like the manual. I have had both a 7 & 8 speed PDK in both my last new Porsches. I can't comment on the manual to say whether I would prefer it as the dealer has never had one (although I've asked plenty). I am going to test drive a manual at the experience centre eventually to find out for myself.