Venus Theory Interview: The Present and Future of Music Production
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2023
- Cameron of @VenusTheory visits the SonicScoop Podcast to talk to Justin Colletti about the realities of producing and releasing music today.
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I think Venus Theory's videos are great and insightful and honest. I hope he doesn't change. Its difficult to find meaningful information on youtube that isn't just pointless clickbait.
For a musician, they are priceless. Gives me do much to think about. ❤
Seeing that there was an interview with Cameron pretty much stopped me in my tracks. My plans for the evening changed. Look, there are those of us that feel the pain of perceiving the world around us. Cameron, time and time again, always proves he's one of us. Thank you for such a god interview. @SonicScoop You're now on my radar.
Thanks for stopping by Jason, glad to have you listening.
-Justin
So many solid gold nuggets throughout. You guys are just touching on things that are so relevant and important in this day and age of Music Production. Blown away with the amount of wisdom thats coming through your experience. Loving this! God Bless both of you💪🏽
Thank you Samuel! So glad to have you listening.
-Justin
Two of my favorite channels overlapping! I love this
Its like all stars team
This was super dope
You’re super dope Benj :-)
-Justin
Bjork’s Medulla album.❤
Would start someone on Post or Homogenic. It’s all good though.
I can’t count how many of her tracks that I listened to and though they were “trash” that I came back to listen on repeat. So replayable.
Yes, you got it! Medulla. Thanks for the great comment. I liked Bjork from the beginning, but there are definitely artists I have had that relationship with. Tom Waits and Boards of Canada both come to mind where I just couldn't get into it at first, and then some day it clicked. Very relatable!
-Justin
That's my favorite album from her. And she's a genius.
“I miss the video where you taught kick drums”
That’s what a search bar is for.
The message I love is the creative needs to do what they are interested in. Not the audience. There are 8 billion heads. Someone will vibe.
The Sugarcubes! Tour '89 blew my mind! Her energy and vision gifted generations of music makers and lovers❤
Yes! Not enough people have even ever heard that name.
-Justin
What Camerons says about the industry wants you to buy the latest gear, and the musician thinks he needs that otherwise he can't make the music he has in his head.
It's like I need to have this camera, lens, filter or I can't make the photograph.
Well my dad told me that it doesn't matter at all what camera you have, just go out there and make pictures.
You need to train your eye to see things and make the pictures YOU like.
From that day on I took pictures and don't care what others think of it. Sure thru taking pictures I found out what works in a picture for me and what doesn't.
This conversation made me think of Steal Like An Artist by Austin Kleon. A fantastic book for anyone early in their creative journey (and equally relevant to folks at any stage ofbthe journey).
Cameron is one of the most thoughtful people in the UA-cam music education scene. It's awesome to hear a long form conversation with him like this. Thank you 👍
Cameron has the best voice on UA-cam. Justin is a legend. Thanks guys. 👏👏👏
2 of my fav youtubers...20mins in and loving it! Thanks both for this discussion 🙏🏽💛
Awesome! So glad you are digging it.
-Justin
Two of my favourite voices on YT together, awesome 🙌🏼
Everyone musician should watch this video. Great content. Thank you.
Absolutely loved this conversation guys. Watched from start to end
Awesome to hear Ted!
-Justin
Venus Theory is like a music producer's social worker/philosopher/instructor. I have learned much from him and am extremely grateful.
Man this was an awesome discussion. He's so good at articulating his thoughts in a way I could relate to so I learned a lot from this.
I also appreciate how blunt he is on the state of music production and marketing on UA-cam. It truly is predatory and everything else he said was true as well.
But aren't music stores and influencers on UA-cam part of the problem?
thanks for that brilliant talk of you guys. !!
Thank you for all what you do 🙏
Venus Theory's 'Eeyore honesty' is awesome
You guys are my two favorite UA-cam channels, excited to watch this!
Love this conversation, how natural, how real, and interesting insights are pouring out. I like what Cameron does, I'm a fan too.
Thanks so much for this interview! Both you and Cam are so articulate, well spoken, and have so much insight to share on this topic.
The idea that there is no one solution because everyone is different and everyone’s path is different really hits. I’ve never known any artist to get the results they want by copying someone else. Studying perhaps, but not straight copying 🤔 Dookie and a Bjork are great examples of authentic creativity!
Anywho thanks again, this is awesome 😁🙏
I love the channel because of the long format videos. You give depth to a concept, its philosophy and history. Short videos quickly become noise & junk. Thank you sir! Watching from Kenya 🇰🇪
more of these interesting talks please :-) i am a pro since 30 years and its a endless fight but I still love music way to much
Then you should know that UA-cam Musicians, UA-cam Tutorials and Shills
Both these 2 having this conversation are Salesmen
Shills
Salesmen
Giving Bad Production Advice
VST Software Salesmen are Cancer.
Thanks guys, love both of your channels!
Awesome to hear Richard, thanks for tuning in
-Justin
Thanks VT, you just inspiring me to do music the way I can.
Thank you for doing the talent and wisdom of this great mind Justice.
great video guys!! very informative
Great podcast thanks 👍🏼
This is fucking awesome, I’m so glad I clicked
"the main thing about being an artist is go do and do your own thing" - ❤
Why is putting reverb directly on tracks wrong?
This guy is one of the best reasons I stuck with making music and now released my first EP and will continue making so. His videos helped me so much understand myself as musician better and how to approach this kind of craft. Also he's such a relatable guy. His videos always feel like talking to a good friend who truely understands what you're going through.
Great video - really enjoy his work and process and attitude. And integrity- dropping work with the anti-trans spit fire Chris H.
A solid inspiration!
Great song. I'd love to hear it with a symphony orchestra.
So glad you had Venus Theory on he’s such a gem. Love his content and this platform needs more people like him.
About time Venus got his interview with others very known music channels. I kinda knew was coming sooner or later because in comparison with other channels here he goes thru other things that are not directly music making related but rather more into "personal approaches and struggles in music business" if that makes any sense. 5 - 7years ago Recording Revolution (When Graham was directly involved) they touched a tiny bit of that area but then kinda forgot about it ...? But when I stared watching Venus again he was really digging into all that and thats what made me stay subscribed to this day. Dont got me wrong , plugin reviews and all that is exciting and interesting but when you go thru what makes you struggle to make music and it doesnt have anything to do with plugins or studio hardware ....thats to me even more valuable lesson than anything and Venus Theory has opened my eyes a lot of times on that area.
i was unsure about venus theory, until i saw that pixel watch
Yes, Cameron is a “Beast” at this UA-cam Vida ~ U got it tho Jut 👍🏼
Hey Justin, so be it, or, amen. Thank you for this interview. It was extremely insightful and I love Cameron‘s work as well. Or at least his channel. Lol. I’m gonna go to work now. Not gonna worry about gear anymore. To that degree. Lol. I love this man. Back to work bro. :-)
This was a great interview. It touched on many things that impact us as musicians, producers and human beings. We all go through the same things in life. Loved this!!!!! 👍👍
So awesome to hear Phil! Glad to have you listening.
Very best,
Justin
@@SonicScoop 👏👏👏
Agree
The Joy of making music, and probably most anything, falls apart the minute you try to correlate it with with fame, money or anything else in exchange. Everything negative discussed here is driven business, not making music. Good luck all. You do you baby. Hugs 😎🖤🍭🙌
Wow that was a crossover i never knew i needed. Very insightful video!
Venus Theory channel mix is for sure worth a sub 😎🖤🍭 cool talk
So real and honest guys! Thank you!
great podcast, learned a lot. Thank you!
I've used UA-cam a lot for all kinds of music production tips and tricks. Thing is, without TRYING THEM YOURSELF, they are meaningless. No weight should be given to any clickbait comments / titiles that surround those video's. It's, indeed, all up to you as an artist what works for YOU, what sounds good to YOU. All the rest is just noise...
Hello Justin It is already known if the sponsor can finally make it possible for the engineer Jason to be this 2023 in the mix con
Still working on it 🤞
No guarantees for him, but I'm trying (just wrote an email about it today) and we have a great lineup regardless.
Very best,
Justin
@@SonicScoop yes sir justin 🔥🔥
Absolutely subbed, saw Cameron and had to watch and so happy i did, Cameron and Ben are the Daddys!❤
Ps thank you so much for a fantastic interview and good content. 🙏🙏🙏
great interview, thanks :)
Awesome stuff . I need to try it or even contribute to tis project . My weapon of choice in sound design is hydrasynth paired with eventide H90 and hologram microcosm . It’s hard to describe this combo you need to experience it
it physically hurts now to not see timestamps, maybe it's just my ADHD
Great discussion. Thanks!
reminds me of Mac Powell
the guy that make the music of half life
@23:28 homie went carnage (now Gordo) 😂 I recall the fiasco being that what he was showing wasn’t actually what was being done for his tracks….IE, misleading). Also using some cracked plugins, lol. But yeah, to the point, if it’s what is actually being done, no one can say it’s not right, etc…
❤️ would you consider doing a video on SATURATION on the Sample/Track vs SATURATION on the mix bus 🚌?
Especially considering that EVERYONE listens on mobile phones 📱 and small speakers 🔊? #Harmonics #SmallSpeakers #Saturation
I will say, on Metallica's And Justice for All album I noticed some nasty bass, phase type cancellations on One.
yesyesyes :)
You need jiu jitsu, Cameron! Fact.
Tldr?
Wouldn’t that be TLDL in this case?
-Justin
@@SonicScoop something like that. Anyway I love Mr Veenie Weenie he makes great art
I really think it"s all procrastination. All of it is to stay away from the vulnerability and the fear of failing. if you really try.
I know longer leave comments on UA-cam comments. So many of this space is people simping for channels or mob mentality. Actual comments or criticisms aren’t welcome for a particular of channels. This channel is a great channel however.
Yeah, the trap of focusing mostly on production, instead of on the art. Is kind of why don't you become a music tech instead of an artist. Hard to ever get any artistic flow with that approach, it becomes more mechanical using pre defined patterns of thinking with focus on self judgement with all the producers in the whole worlds weight on your shoulders. Kind of like using 4 hours on the snare sound instead of making use of the outburst of your musical DNA. 🤓
I mean you need to balance production and artistry to get the best workflow to create your musical goals, from the "studio" viewpoint.
Never forget the entertainment value of the UA-cam videos. Even if the messages might not be 100% in a video, it can balance up the whole experience. 😊 Actually the same for music, if production is less cool, the entertainment experience might tilt the total experience of encountering it.
I'm only 20 minutes in but I want to chime in about the Bjork thing.
I like Bjork, especially her early albums and yes, she does not care at all, just does her thing, but... She has done an album like Debut and she has done some songs/music for films to help her kickstart the whole thing. She did have a career with Sugarcubes before her solo career.
The point I'm trying to make here is that she might be at the stage where she doesn't care but she did follow the trends and did some "commercial" stuff to get to the point where she can do whatever she want and not care about everything else.
I've found out about Venus Theory from Cubase videos. And I do like his non music videos a lot. I am an old fart that grew up on Thrash and Death Metal music so I'm not that big on electronic stuff but I do love to listen to his thoughts and ideas. If not the Cubase videos I wouldn't even know about Cameron's existence.
So I think it is a fair point that if you want to do what you want to do then you have to accept the low popularity or you have to do some commercial work to let people know you exist so you can eventually do your own thing and not care anymore.
so true. been trough all that. if i can condense anything down about all the years i spend learning, i think it it is"Less is more" i allways went extra complex to be not sloppy just to understand that i did many wrong things and did not the one, easy thing i should. even saying " as long as it sounds good" isnt save bc 12tone music sounds terrible but it is beautiful to the mind. if i can have a second statement it would be" if you have fun you are doing it wrong" but i think that roots more in human factors than musical, the fun comes bvack if you go way beyond perfect, but till you make it look easy, it should be hard.(but i am doing competition not music, so i am kindy coming from the opposite )
A lot of the problems is that many people in "music" have great passion, some talent and a determination to succeed. It's not enough. You've got to be brilliant and exceptional and UA-cam doesn't pay, clients pay.
I think what Carneage demonstrated with his video is that he doesn't make his own tunes...
Who is Carneage, and what video are you referring to?
-Justin
Really - does EVERY sentence have to have a 'like' 'like', every 'like' 3 'like' seconds ? - jesus christ. Entertaining informative video completely fucked up by people still channelling their inner 'like' 12 year old. Still, I managed 18 minutes before calling time on this. At least it warns me I'll get the same on their channels so, that's a time saver.
People like you are strange lol
I mean are u making music or are u making youtube, musicians just make music instead of talking about making music. But then the question is what do we want to make, like he said its 2 different things
Why do we make youtube videos, what psychological effect does it have what needs do you get from the response of million peoples, how is it connected to the needs/brain. Does it strength self worth etc. Is this a problem of the actual technology state and that our brain is linked to technology, should we use less technology, are we addicted etc. Dopamin release etc.
Do we have to much time thinking about this stuff instead of actual doing things, are we overwhelmed by all this input we get nowadays..
If you can't do, teach...