Taking Math Out Of Woodworking | 6 Tips and Tricks to Eliminate Math & Measuring from your Projects!
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
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In this video we are talking about the times in woodworking and furniture making that we are able to take math and measurements out of the equation. Math and precise measurements can often be a difficult hurdle for new woodworkers, so we wanted to show how we often are able to complete certain tasks with very little math by using alternative techniques. Some of the topics we cover are order of operations, building trapezoidal boxes, router inlays, accurate dados, and incorporating angles into furniture.
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I just found this channel, as crazy as that might seem, but has quickly become my favorite woodworking channel...and not just by a little. Totally different "useful and needed" information then what others are pumping out. Excellent content.
When I worked on expensive yacht interior my most accurate tool for dealing with weird shaped walls, shelves, floors etc, was... some scrap wood and a pointy slat. A bit like a stair spider, but simpler with drawing some lines on the scrap wood and slat so you can transfer it.
Fantastic video gentlemen! Seriously. 👏 👏 👏
Content. Visuals. Audio. Commentary. Humor.
Here’s some interesting math for you: the Chris Salomone / Shaun Boyd collabs are a great example of something being greater than the sum of its parts, not that the parts aren’t awesome on their own of course :-D
Synergy bruh :P
+1
Some superadditivity!
This is one of the best videos on your Channel! The editing is so creative and you guys are a lot of fun to watch!! Immensely inspiring :)
You two make a good team! I like the presentation style when you're working together.
Fantastic video guys. Made me feel better about how often I need to deviate from a plan and adjust to the circumstance.
you should feel good about that. In fact, I'd argue...if you don't deviate from the plan...you're probably doing things wrong :)
Thank you for this video. It makes me feel much better when I cannot hit the perfect angle.
Awe man, this was a really informational video. Thanks for sharing! I love the dynamic between the two of you!
That was GREAT~! I'm shooting this video out to several friends that are getting started in woodworking. Really good concept to avoid getting too wrapped up in the numbers of it all...where applicable~!
I always look forward to your individual videos, but those with both of you in it them just take the cake~! Love the way you play/feed off of each other. Always very instructional, informational, inspiring, and entertaining~! (That last one interfered with my having a fourth "i" for FourEyes~!)
Keep it coming, fellas~!!
You guys are awesome. Love your use of graphics and video editing! (but not the intra-video commercials)
You're the real deal! You've earned yourself a subscriber!
Obviously a bit late, but just stumbled upon one of the best (informatively and comedic) videos I’ve seen from you guys yet. Haha! Great post and thank you for taking your time to do these videos! 🙏🏻
This is one of the most educational videos on woodworking that I have ever seen. Thanks for sharing. Great attitude.
Thanks Michele :)
This is something all of us come to learn over time. Repeatability comes from control of constants and that’s rarely found with a tape measure. Thanks for helping out the newbs that are intimidated by all those calculations and hopefully they’ll be more likely to tackle a project they otherwise wouldn’t have. 👍🏻
You guys are fun to watch - the banter and trade-off is entertaining. Two to add for future that we woodworkers often use - 'spacers' and 'story sticks/poles'.... keep the videos coming Best,
Mike
You guys rock. The editing is off the charts as well. Super channel!
Love this! The illustrations really help. Thank you.
Thanks Andrew :)
Great topic and discussion. Your video skills are improving by leaps and bounds. Just better and better. Always look forward to watch you produce next! Keep them coming.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Brilliant video fellas. Very enjoyable to watch.
LOVE the mid-century trapezoidal piece! Beautiful.
Great inlay setup. Thanks for all the info.
I've never even thought about the plunge router trick! AMAZING video as always!
So simple, but so effective!
Fantastic lads, keep it up, loving the irony with banter and humour
will do :)
One of the best woodworking videos ever!!! Seriously... May be simple truths, but you effectively reduced my level of stress and bumped my production speed and joy. Isn't that what it's all about :) A good friend got me into woodworking over the last couple of years and he repeated something like "it's not about making mistakes, it is about your ability to resolve them..."
Thanks 4I's
yup...that's very true...I still make multiple mistakes in every project. They just become less and less noticeable.
I do math for a living and still get messed up when I try to use actual measurements vs relative measurements.
Because math doesn't care about your human numbers.
Those suggestions were helpful, inspirational and a great way to avoid the desperation of chasing a number. Some of my Uncle Melvin’s best work was created using a Stanley folding ruler, a scribe, a sharp pencil, a few sticks and the patience to know sneaking up on a cut was proven to be the best way for him when making furniture. He built a bunch of houses over the years, which close was good enough when framing. It really comes down to patience and a little confidence. They both grow over time, with a little patience.
Oh yeah... Thank you for sharing. Great video.👍
Thank you...appreciate it. And as the old saying goes. "If its good enough for Uncle Melvin...it's good enough for me" - ok, that's not a saying...but it should be :)
Thank you. I was just learning this on my own, particularly, moving the fence as little as possible. Everything that has to be cut X inches should be cut with one setup. It helps a lot. Thanks for all the other situations. You also explained how to use a kerf maker tool. Many thanks.
Made me smile, and educated me in the same time. Thank you guys.
Fantastic video. Very practical.
That stop motion shot was slick 👌
That was pleasure to watch! I had a very fun time... 😍👍🏻
Every time you guys release a video of makes my morning! Nice video and way to diversify your content
:)
Yep... I agree with the other comments. The collab videos with you two are so good. Stoked to see what you guys do next.
Thanks Adam...lots of plans for this year :)
exelent tricks guys, congratulations!!! i always learn newest thinks with your tutorials, keep teaching please
This one of the most useful videos,tips for me at least. I’m always so intimidated by not getting the mesures right, sometimes to the point of leaving a project aside for some time...I know . But thank you both!
Yeah, it can be intimidating...but knowing how unimportant many of them are, hopefully will get you to take the plunge :)
Reference measuring. Helpful animations. Thanks!
The caliper vs woodpecker scene had me in hysterics...you guys are awesome. Super valuable info here. I was painfully revisiting trigonometry on a project the same day you guys released this. Relieved to know it's not as necessary as I previously assumed.
0:02 oh badass guys. I'm from Michigan and Utah. Digging the Jazz and Tiger's hats.
Love that drillbit technique... I'll definitely be using it soon.
With some training in engineering, I used to strongly believe in the old adage, "measure twice, cut once"... Then I did some work with a carpenter with 30+ years experience, and so often he'd mark from actual pieces rather than measurements and sneak up on certain fits, measuring once and cutting 3-5 times... It really helped me bridge the gap between design and manufacture. We once built a deck together and I was getting all worked up about the length of the posts we were burying, the depth of the holes, setting things plumb. He taught me to throw all that out the window and just set string lines to get the posts well aligned and establish level with the the next set of beams, then move towards square with the next layer of joists, align the floorboards as well as possible, but only really worry about square when trimming the excess off the floorboards. It's fine to aim to get every cut and joint as perfect as possible, but having the skill to make it work despite slight discrepancies in the measurements, that's what really sets the craftsman apart.
Thank you for sharing your skills and time with us.
Thanks Jared...appreciate it :)
Great video. Taking the completely out of something that should be simpler and straightforward.
Love the woodworking tips and the great balance between comedy and information delivery
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
A really enjoyable way of getting totally confused
Thanks
Glad it was enjoyable!
Fantastic video thanks!
I love this message. It fits right in line with how my brain works.
Fantastic video, congrats, guys.
I'm glad you expressed this axiom in such distilled and synthesized fashion - I'm really just beginning in woodworking, but you've MODELED this for a long time, and I've worked hard to use relative dimensions just by observation of your channel. Thanks for the good work. This tip was CAUGHT not TAUGHT. Until you taught it. Then it got both'ed.
Glad we could both it for you! Thanks for watching Aaron!
Great video as always boys!
Some seriously good information in this video
This is great. Thank you
Great video. It really makes you think outside the box 😉
There must have been two guys around the ice-age just like you, even their cousins didn't know about them! What a time to be alive!
Love this!! When are you guys going to do a video about your new partnership and Sean giving up his shop?
I am moving down there in the next few weeks, so I'm sure we will be talking in more detail about all the plans we have for the future soon!
As usual, great video. You could make content on just about any subject and it would be enjoyable. Thanks for being on UA-cam
Thanks man...let's see if you still feel the same after the CES video finally comes out :)
Nice one guys, like the concept. Being old and as blind as a bat not measuring is a great idea, thanks.
Loved you guys. You're awesome
You guys crack me up :) Very jealous of that square collection.
Great!! Thank YOU!!!!
Awesome video, great editing and information. Mahalo for sharing! : )
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
That layout you create at 2:20 would be a super helpful tool. Are there any special tools to simplify that process or for mapping out cuts on sheet goods?
I really like the "duet" and the interactive comedy that you guys do in addition to bringing very informative videos.
Appreciate it, Richard! We have fun making these videos.
the end of this video cracks me up. Also, thx for the tips!
Great video. There's a lot of info even for experienced woodworkers even if it's just a reminder. I did, however, miss the requisite game of scrapsketball.
we had a lot of talking hit the cutting room floor. But not a lot of wood hitting the workshop floor in this one :)
What a great video. I can get bogged down in the dimensions of things.
those are all just suggestions :)
Love you guys! Shaun, look at the camera when Chris talking, not all over the room like a bored dog. ;-)
Nice job guys.
Great video
I do math for a living, and really enjoyed this one!
Great video! I really enjoy this way of thinking and working. I know for the pieces I make, there is usually only one critical dimension (must fit in x space). Everything else can be approximate so long as they are uniform. An excellent book on this is "By hand and eye". Imo a must for anyone making furniture.
Good point. I usually start my drawings with a box of the finished size...then I just kind of draw within those constraints...for this exact reason.
@@Foureyes.Furniture It's very freeing to not have to worry every single dimension to death. Moreover as you point out, it leads to tighter joinery and better craftsmanship.
I like seeing you both together.
you guys got me hooked
Love your videos guys, keep up the good work, I look forward to the next instalment of hilarity in the workshop
Thanks Larry :)
Good Video!
Mathematics is a theoretical approach to understanding the real world. Some mathematics do not even have a real world analog, they are purely theoretical.
Wood working is real. Very Real. You Guys are two of the most real guys on youTube.
Yeah we are....keeping it real :)
One of the difficulties, as illustrated by you cutting all of the similar parts with the same fence setting, is that our ability to translate a measurement into a real world object with perfect accuracy is limited. Of course you use the measurement as a starting point, but you also have the common sense to know that you've not translated that measurement perfectly. The more I fool around in my shop, the more aware I am of this inadequacy, and the more aware I am of how I need to pay attention to the actual object I've created as I move forward in any particular build. Great job guys.
Great vid
Thanks 🙏 Masters!
Oh man guys, I was sitting there refreshing firefox all day yesterday after hearing about this episode on the podcast. Nice!
Sorry for the delay :)
Guys, this video is hilarious, love the one upping of the tools at the end.
I've never been envious, but seeing that Chris has like $1K in woodpeckers measuring devices, alone, makes me a little green...with you know.... ;)
I know. I could not bring myself to spend $80 on a 6-inch Woodpecker square.
this is a great video. In this digital age people forget that wood is organic and is particularly prone to the second law of thermodynamics; the law of entropy. Wood is constantly swelling, shrinking, warping and bending. No matter how accurate your measurements and angles are, if you cut all your parts today, those angles and measurements will not be the same when you come back to assemble them tomorrow. A real craftsman knows how to make things look like regular shapes when in fact they are not. I always tell my helpers that if all houses were square, level and plumb there would be no need for carpenters. One could just order the things from a factory and take them home. I do custom cabinets and kitchens, and whenever possible I use story boards, full size templates, marking in place and scribing to deal with complex measurements and angles. And when everything is installed, Blum hardware is cleverly designed to be able to let you tweek the fit of all the doors and drawers. For the customer it is more important that things look coherent that actually be numerically accurate.
Great info and as always...very entertaining.
I'm wondering why you didn't mention a skosh?
Totally forgot about a skosh, the only truly universal measurement.
Nice new video! Greetings from Belgium👍
Greetings :)
@ 2:20, did you use a plug in to create that in SU? And do you use a plugin to create a cut list/ diagram? If so, I'd love to know what you use. If not, I'd love to see a video of your SU workflow. Either way, really, a SU workflow video would be very helpful and appreciated from those of us that also use SU for the pre-build. Thanks for the great content
I actually was thinking about such video. =)
Glad we could deliver! Thanks for watching!
When I first saw the title of this video I though I will watch this but I'm sure I won't agree with you, after watching it, I agree fully. Great video thanks :-)
Hey Chris would you ever consider doing a series for teaching furniture drawing/designing on sketch up? I know sketchup comes easy for you now and I’d love to learn from you. I’d pay 💰 💵 😬
Maybe I've been working indoors too much since the unicorn virus...but that was awfully entertaining in my humble opinion. Thanks
The awkwardness makes me feel so comfortable
Cool video
"how thick is that?"
"that thick."
Yes.
Haha, exactly!
I haven’t been keeping up with you videos lately because my other account was deleted. But you can imagine my confusion when your most recent videos start out like your OG ones.. and I’m like this does not sound like him. This can’t be him. Low and behold is Shaun lol. I was beyond confused 😂
Nice video, thank you. Chris, I've been away from you tube for a little bit so I have to ask, Tigers? What happened to the Cubs hat?
LOL that was awesome! At first I was like WTF! I'm a scientist and my minor was math. I have worked in a calibration lab for years, worked with NIST, NASA, EPA and other national and international standards labs....so super measurement and math heavy and I was like no you really need to master this stuff because A) it does matter and B) it's not as hard as you might think but after watching I 100% agree. Making consistent cuts by moving your fence as few times as possible they planning and setup is absolutely the best route. I mean math definitely has it's place but when you are trying to make something that's both attractive and fits together well with great joints and symmetric dimensions (where that's wanted) and even/level surfaces, math can sit back, relax and enjoy a drink after the planning stages.
Absoluley totally agree with you! That's why i hate cnc machine projects! Nice format guys!
Thanks Aleksander!
Thanks for the info fellas! 😃👍🏻👍🏻📏📐👊🏻👊🏻
Thanks Fred...digging the new emoji additions :)
@@Foureyes.Furniture thanks, trying to expand my vocabulary, which I now have more time to do, having to do less math! 😉
Take that Mrs. Forbes, my 11th grade Trigonometry teacher, I told her I didn't need to learn Trig because I would never use it in real life and now thanks to you guys I never will!!!!
She sent me a DM this morning....she was not happy
@@Foureyes.Furniture LOL!!!!
You guys are so funny...and I learned something!
Thanks Ressie! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video guys, always nice to see other ways of skinning cats lol, or thinking outside the out of square box, or......well I guess you get it , always learn here, thanks guys 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks Jeff :)
jajaja love the video. as a beginner I can not agree more. gracias.
Thanks Diego!
Awesome video. Most of the time I do woodworking I don’t measure using rulers I use the wood itself. Having dyslexia I invert numbers turn them around spin them upside down and spit them out so I try not to use number. In colonial times and before rulers and tape measures were never used.
Yep, exactly! Happy to hear it works for you, thanks Mark!
They need to make a good sketch-up app for the ipad to use the apple pencil on. I use linea but still wish sketchup was available
That could be cool