LULU's Stony Suppressor | Legends of Runeterra Deck
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Mogwai: "This way he can't use Thermogenic Beam to kill my Stony Suppressor."
LoR Devs: "Hold my Beer."
Well LoR have allways had some really weird mechanics and wording with some cards, but it kinda makes sense, since it cost 1 more, it does one more damage, still weird af, specially if you've ever played MTG xDDD
PS: I think thermo should have on it's cost something like (-) instead of (0), that way it'd be understanded way better that it allways costs 0.
I mean if it worked the way Mogwai expected it to, Thermo would never be playable. It would always cost 1 more mana than you have. I imagine they specifically had to code for this interaction, and chose to make it overridden in this case so that you don't just make a card useless while a 2 mana unit is on the board.
@@Sen_Apollo no, he thinks its pay 0 mana to use up the rest of your mana and deal That much to a unit. That's what the wording seems to imply. Therefore, if it costs 1 instead of zero, there would be only 2 mana left to convert to damage. He's right to be confused
@@bobshnitzel2608 ah... Yeah when you word it like that it makes sense.
@@Sen_Apollo Not really, the way Mogwai expected it to work is similar to how fireball works on MTG, that's a card that have a X on it's cost and does damage depending on how much you pay for that X, so let's say you got a card that makes spells cost 1 more, then if you pay 3 for that X it'd do 2 damage (it's a simplification to how it really works, but it's just to make it understandable for non MTG players).
I hope stony suppressor is a teaser for Galio (for shurima expansion ofc)
Oh, I like that idea. I wonder if he would also have some kind of magic inhibiting ability (I don't play LOL, I am just interested in the lore)
@@tychoderkommentator2989 It would make sense since Galio is made of petricite, the material used to build stony supressor and stop magic. Also in League he has has a passive that gives him a shield against magic damage 😊
@@tychoderkommentator2989 yes galio's identity is being this anti-magic titan, that jumps in and makes a big entrance.
this might be setting a crazy precedent but perhaps Galio could also be summoned as a fast speed spell that negates?
I’d say it’s likely
Sorry to ruin the fun but isnt galio from demacia ?
So you changed "daily LOR content" to "regular LOR content" i see what you did there Miguel
He have been saying it since 2 vids ago you just realised it now ?
@Alex Alfred ok simp
He just pointed it out for a funny comment, chill
@@lilpp4791 damn, misused
@@alertmottoes6413 it's ok he's slow asf
Love your content Mogwai. Can’t wait to see what you’ve been cooking up.
I think the Thermo interaction makes sense; it doesn't actually have a cost, it just spends all your mana and deals that much damage. The 0 is a placeholder number, maybe it could be an X or something instead?
Its cost is 0, its effect is to remove your mana from your pool and shoot it at a target. In theory, it could cost you 1, take what's left of your mana and shoot it. Mpgwai is right. It should have cost 1, leaving 2 mana in the pool to be used as damage.
@@Jacksuhn no because thermo deals damage equal to you total Mana, in any case, stoney would make that thermo deals 1 more damage
It's like thermo cost equal to you Mana and makes damage equal to it's cost. If you put stoney, it's cost doesn't change, cause it will always cost equal to your Mana. In any case, cost 3 and should spend 2 Mana, but it also clears you Mana, so you end with 0 mana
@@secrom36 I disagree. The printed cost of thermo is zero. The text says "to play, spend all your mana. Deal that much damage to a unit". Stoney taxes that zero cost. You now have to pay 1 to cast it and then fulfill the spend all your mana requirement.
@@Jacksuhn its cost isn’t zero because it works with heimerdinger, tri beam improbulator, and nopeified etc depending on the mana spent
The missed shadow assassin attack and the missed turn 1 attack coming back to haunt Mog 🤣
The reason why thermo works is that the card technically costs 0 always but will just spend all the mana you have and does that much damage, it costing 4 is a visual bug
Then that card should cost 1 instead of 0 with the Stony. So you need to pay 1 mana to cast it, THEN empty your mana pool to deal damage. So, technically, thermo should've dealt 2 damage instead of 3.
@@leoprotettore5862 I agree that is probably how it should work, it just isnt how its coded (or arguably worded) right now
@@leoprotettore5862 Actually no, like, the card speaks for itself: "spend all your mana, deal that much to a unit" It means that the card will spend all your mana and deal an amount of damage equal to the mana spent. if it worked like a normal spell, Stony suppresor would completely shut down that card because you would always need more mana than you actually have.
@@martinrodriguez1329 As you have said, you spend all your mana as an additional cost as playing the card. Spending mana isn't the same as playing/casting the card. TB will always be 0 mana with the additional cost of spending all your mana pool. Regardless of how it should work, Stony Supressor would never truly counter TB.
It's a strange interaction, but then you could never play thermogenic beam
so? thats what you call a counter.
Still, should do 1 less damage at least
@@devol3829 'counters' shouldn't completely break a card either. I'm all for clarification on if it's just a visual bug with the costing, or thermo dealing one less damage
the original card costs 0 mana. The text just says spend all your mana and do that much dmg.
So with Stony Suppressor it should cost 1 mana and then spend all your remaining mana and deal as much dmg, meaning it would deal 1 dmg less
@@ewanwalker5967 it should completely break the card because stony suppressor is a cheesy-niche-card in the first place
Alright Bois it's Lulu and the Rock.
Does it do something?
Aww. Why does she all ways have to guard rock. :(
Ever since Stony Supressor was introduced I always wondered how it would interact with Thermobeam, but since I never use that card I never found out. Well now I know.
Mog didn't read it closely. The card's effect is to expend all your mana, it has no cost.
@@PaulusCunctator Obviously but the visual bug is very misleading, as it clearly cost 3 mana to use but showed 4 mana
@@blitzwolfer4154 So Thermogenic Beam would never be playable, cause it will be always 1 Mana above of your current mana, softlocking it as long Stoney Suppressor is on the board.
@@MrTwistedTopHat No technically yes but it isn't because disabling an entire card is not very balanced. Mog saw a visual bug that Riot should fix...
@@MrTwistedTopHat In my opinion thermo should cost 1 mana and then add in the rest of the persons remaining mana as damage
I mean. Thermo doesn't really have a cost per-se. Even though pretty akward it's understandable that it works that way
but it is a spell right? so it should cost one more, but i can understand if it doesn't
@@xOneEyedGhoul it always just uses all your mana so it can't cost one more, it's coded to take all your mana and deal damage equal to that amount. It could be reworked so it works differently but personally, the way it works not feels more intuitive to me, idk.
Plus there are some units that can make it cost 1 less but it will still cost the same amount of mana since it's equal to the amount of mana you have rather than that the actual cost.
If it cost one more you’d never be able to play it
@@xOneEyedGhoul If we take the RAW, Thermo would be play as the subsequent way: 0 mana changes to 1 mana, so you technically only uses 1 mana to cast it since it always costs 0. Then, it says that you empty all your mana and deal damage equal to the mana emptied. So, it should work as: 1 mana, empty my mana pool, i.e 2 mana. So deal 2 damage.
Thermo is one of those cards that ignores any effects on his mana cost
Fun fact that actually deal 4 damage with 3 mana when stone suppresor on the board
That's just a fact. It doesn't make it a good design.
@@danielkatona8778 but the point of the card is to deal dmg based on the mana you have and having a card that prevents Thermo to be used wouldnt be great design ether
@@olivers.7821 It wouldn't prevent it it would be like a 1mana+x spell.
That Zed player not attacking into a stony suppressor deck was dumb as hell.
Now that I think about this, the interaction between stony suppressor and thermo might be a good idea for a deck since you would always deal 1 more than your mana
Love that youre doing new creative things. It also made me think about spell mana and unit decks like this. That they could make a card so you can transfer spell mana into nomal mana. Something like a 1 spell card fo 1 mana transfer. Or a unit that transfers 1 spell mana to nomal mana every round or something.
Usually i watch Mogwais video when he releases them at 4pm EST.
I got out of online classes at 10pm and just wanted to say love your content man. Keep it up!
duuuuuuude I have been WAITING for you to play this card and the day has finally come! Super excited to play with this deck
Huh, that thermo was the most interesting thing to me, I’m not sure why that thermo wasn’t 4 mana as thermo is technically a 0 cost card. If you have 4 mana then you’re able to utilize the 4 damage. However, stony raises ALL spells to one mana it would make sense for that thermo to be 4 mana. I hope they fix that because I love stony suppressor
Welp than thermo couldn’t be played and from another angle it kinda makes sense since it’s mana cost isn’t fixed. But it still dealt 3 damage so it’s ok.
@@stefandjurica9219 I agree this doesn't seem like an issue, because the mana is tied to the text not really the mana displayed, plus it would be completely unfair for stoney supressor to have Thermobeam unplayable because you would literally never have enough mana to play it.
No it's completely fine as it is. If they "fix" it it would make thermo unplayable while stony suppressor is on the field
How it currently works is something like this I think.
Thermo beam cost 0. Effect use all mana to deal x damage.
All mana use = it's damage
The mana is calculated after the card is played, and to play the card it's self doesn't cost mana.
The correct value should be 3 mana 2 damage.
But it counted 3 mana plus 1 and 3 damage.
@@zhi1680 I don't see the problem with that, though? It's just one underused counter to a very popular card. These type of interactions are very common in tcg.
It also wouldn't be the first time this happened in LoR. Unspeakable horror completely halts FTR and the Harrowing effects but the card still never sees play.
22:07 : So you have chosen.... Death
So that thermogenic beam interaction actually makes sense even though it feels like a bug.
It doesn't have a fixed cost, it simply uses all your mana - so it actually does MORE damage with the dude on the board.
It feels wrong though, that card should make beam literally unplayable since it should cost all your mana +1
Not really, Thermo only cost your mana when you cast it, that's mean it only calculate it mana when you cast it, and when a spell has casted, it's done. The main thing here is Thermo doesn't has a "base cost", not 0 mana, it's "cost X", X only being calculated when you cast the spell, X is the total number of mana that only take effect if the spell has been casted, if the spell has been casted, Stoney Suppressor doesn't affect on it.
@@peacepham7838 No matter how you twist it, stoney supressor says "All Spells cost 1 more". Thermogenic beam has a cost of 0 raw and uses up all mana you have. It should therefore always cost at least 1 mana to cast. If this was printed on a card with no actual weirdly changing cost values at the top of the card doing calculations and you actually had to go with the rules as written, you would always arrive at the conclusion that you need at least 1 mana to cast it.
@@faselfasel2864 What part of my explain that you don't understand? Why you have to insist that Thermo cost is 0 raw? What is wrong with you all? It cost X!
@@peacepham7838 Its cost is 0, not X. That is what the card literally says in the Collection. That is what certain drawing mechanics suggest when you fish for that Card with other cards. You are basically ignoring stoney supressors and even thermos written card texts and justifying your point with how the game processes Things, which is total bs for a card game. Literal card text always has to take precedent over game Implementation.
@@faselfasel2864 "Its cost is 0, not X. That is what the card literally says in the Collection", first thing first, did you ever thought why it has "0" in the Collection? Because variable X take value from mana crystals, in Collection tab variable X can't take value so it will show you "0", so fking simple to understand!
Thing is: Thermo should cost 1, thus, dealing 1 less damage.
The card doesnt work as the text says, the text says that it will spend all your mana, but what really happens is that it increases itself cost to the mana you have, it might sound like the result will be the same but it wont.
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Yeah but that is badly codded ... The card by itself cost 0 then actively scans your Mana and when you cast it uses it to augment the dmg of the spell .... With this new card it's should work like this .... The spell cost base is ikcrsed to 1 ... There fore it uses one base Mana to deal 0 dmg and then scan your Mana use it but since the base cost of the spell 0 Mana got increase 1 dealing 0 dmg it results in thermo dealing 1 less dmg than the spell
Also it could be intended to keep thermo as a good spell but still unless is confirmed that the interaction was avoided by the devs is a miss coding in the game
@@vergil9981 That's not how thermo works. When you use Progress Day to get thermo, it won't reduce its cost by 1
@@cristianmirasol1538 There is no possibility of reducing cost, it costs 0 already.
@@Btterswt_gn É um código mal escrito, funcionava pq nenhuma carta aumentava o custo de magias até então... Deveriam alterar, ou o texto ou o código.
Man .... this is why I love this channel. To me the decks are so unique and fun 🤩
33:08 A little misplay here @MegaMogwai, u should put lulu first, so her ally will become 4|4 before cyntria add +1|+1 (becoming a 5|5 instead of 4|4) to other allies.
A fresh Mogwai video from the oven, yesss sirrrr.
You could call that second match a good 'Judgement' call.
Your my #1 LoR guy Mogwai, you go for the decks that most people are afraid to try
It makes sense. Thermo doesn't deal more damage when it's in stuff like progress day, why should it deal less with stony supressor? I think you're wrong here, mog. That's the point of thermo.
Yeah but that is badly codded ... The card by itself cost 0 then actively scans your Mana and when you cast it uses it to augment the dmg of the spell .... With this new card it's should work like this .... The spell cost base is ikcrsed to 1 ... There fore it uses one base Mana to deal 0 dmg and then scan your Mana use it but since the base cost of the spell 0 Mana got increase 1 dealing 0 dmg it results in thermo dealing 1 less dmg than it drained
I mean, if spells cost one more, and thermo's cost is your max mana, then what should've happened is that thermo's supressed cost is your max mana +1. In theory, you would have always one mana short in casting thermo
@@vergil9981 it scan the final cost, not the mana that you lost, all card games that have that type of card do that even heimerdinger works like that, why would you change the card that is right on wording and coding?
@@vergil9981 No, the card scan your mana and decide how much it will cost as the same time when you cast it, that is why Stone suppressor doesn't effect to Thermal cost, it's simply doesn't have a "base cost", you're wrong.
Thermo does not deal more dmg with its cost reduced (with progress day as example) because 1) it already cost 0, and cards can't have negative cost 2) It empties your mana and deals as much dmg. In fact you don't gain one more mana thanks to progress day.
I agree with the other comment that says there are two parts in the spell : its mana cost (often 0) and the dmg it deals. We often think "deals as much dmg as my mana" because it's the main scenario but it's a shortcut. It's a spell, as all spell first you pay the cost and then it applies its effect. Then you pay 0 (or 1 if augmented) and then you empty your mana and deal as much dmg as the quantity spent.
Ah, I faced this yesterday. Was wondering if my opponent was trolling (even more than I was with my offmeta Garen Fiora Freljord deck) when I saw highwayman and the Stony suppressor go down in my ranked game.. Turns out it's just a Mogwai deck :D
8:05 Jinxed yourself there
Finally someone trying to make Viktor Nocturn work! I had this idea when I saw Viktors reveal but I never really focused on it since Viktor is just so slow and not good right now and Nocturn isnt doing better
Comment on wrong video? Else what are you possibly talking about.
@@i_am_person52 he showed the decks for the next few videos and one of them has to be viktor nocturn because of its name, regions, and deck profile
I think the Stoney Suppressor/Thermogenic Beam interaction is hard coded to be whatever mana is left in your pool because Thermo would never be able to be physically played if Stoney was on the field. It would always be 1 more than the total mana you have available, therefore it would be dead in your hand til Stoney was removed
Thermo and stony's interactions make complete sense on paper. If the card reads "to play, spend all mana." in otherwords he can still cast it whenever (even on 0 mana, it just wont deal any dmg) which is the way the card is just designed. If that was the case and you have it work the way mogwai thinks, the card can never be used vs that deck (because you can never have 1 more mana than you normally should; including ramp decks because the wording on card says spend all mana, meaning all that you have + 1).
Correct me if im wrong but, If you use targons peak and it hits the thermo it will say it costs 0 but that doesnt mean it will not use any mana. Its in the card text so everything thats logical from using mana is thrown out the window for this card.
Good to see you back at making videos again Mog. I'm especially excited to see what you do with the Yasuo Leona deck and the Bilgewater Scargrounds deck.
Best of luck to ya mate.
Damn, I actually loved it! Might even come back to lor just to try it out, lose a couple games and rage quit
The Thermogenic Beam vs Stony Suppressor is really interesting because you shouldn't be able to cast it at all. TB says "To play, spend all your mana" and Stony says "ALL spell cost one more" so now TB cost is all your mana + 1, but you don't have all your mana + 1, so you shouldn't be able to play it.
That's not correct. You assume that TB cost is all your mana pool, but in reality it costs 0 mana. What that card does is: pay 0 mana to cast it, THEN it empties your mana pool to deal that amount of damage.
So, Stony Suppressor is not a direct counter to TB, because that card is always 0 mana regardless of how many mana you have.
But wouldn't it then have to work in the same way as Progress Day, just in the opposite direction?
When you draw TB with Progress Day it still spends ALL you mana though Progress Day made it "cost 1 less"
But you still spend ALL mana and not all -1
@@leoprotettore5862 I'm aware of how it actually works, but if the logic of the game followed the actual text, then Stony would indeed suppress TB lol
The thing is even if it costs zero and then it empties your mana pool, Stony would now make it costs one, then empty your mana for its effect, basically resulting in a -1 damage effect like Miguel thought it would happen in the video.
@@alcian91 Unless the is a hidden Rule in which it says that a card can cost less than 0, then, yes, TB would be cost -1 mana cost. Though I'm pretty sure the Hidden Rule is: A card cost can never be below 0.
@@alcian91 Well not really, because as others stated as well, TB actually costs 0 at every moment and the mana you pay is for its effect. Stony should make TB cost 1 and then pay the cost for the effect. But if we followed JUST the card text, I personally think that PD should affect TB in the way you described.
this is a really strong deck to pilot in the 2 days, i went from silver 3 to Plat 2. by playing nothing but this deck
Well, this is the first time I've been this early to a vid. But none the less love the content Mog
Thermo beam ignores stony supressor but I do believe it's an unfixed bug
If thermobeam doesn't ignore stony suppresor it will be unusable
@@mypersonalaccount4934 and?
@@CelVini ...it will break the game?
@@mypersonalaccount4934 because a card is countered by other one? Have you ever stopped to think about removing the stony suppressor from the field to use the thermo?
@@mypersonalaccount4934 it won't be unusable, it will just cost 1 mana instead of 0, then use all remaining mana (so 1 damage less)
There's two possible interpretations for Thermobeam, neither of which are accurately displayed in the game.
1. Thermobeam has a base cost of 0, plus an additional play cost of 'spend all your remaining mana' in the same manner of Spinning Axe's and Get Excited!'s discard play cost. Obviously this means it's not affected by cost reduction since the base cost is still 0, but it should mean that cost increases cause it to deal an equivalent amount of damage less since the increase is added onto the initial 0. This is what the card's actual text implies is the case.
2. Thermobeam has a base cost of X while in your hand, where X is your current mana. This means it would be affected by both cost reductions and increases and have its damage lowered and raised accordingly. Additionally, this would make it unplayable if it has any net cost increase on it, as its would cost more mana than you would ever have available to play. This is closer to how it behaves in the game, as with Heimer and Tri-beam interactions.
In either case, Mogwai's Stony Suppressor would be safe, as in the former it only would've taken two damage and in the latter Thermobeam couldn't be cast at all. RIOT should adjust the card's text and/or interactions to make it consistent.
8:30，I like that confidence
hey mogwai maybe if you seperate the video in sections like (intro, deck explanation, games) or something like that, many people would appreciate because i believe some want to skip the explanation (me) because they know a thing or two for the game or for whatever reason. maybe you think that by that your try for explaining the deck and saying how it works won't be worth it because most of the viewers will skip it, but i have to say this because it would make my life easier. love you very much bro ❤️
Man if only UA-cam had a slider, and a preview screen when you used it to tell what part of the video you're fast forwarding to....oh wait.
the thermo beam not increasing in cost makes sense cause otherwise it would be impossible to play.
Edit: After thinking about it, being impossible to play is fine.
Been waiting patiently for this. I cant watch anyone but mogwai I watch a bit of grapplr too when mogs busy
This dude is educational and entertaining, just what im lookin for
90% of the comments- thermo bla bla bla..... Loved this deck by the way... It's so good when you come up with deck which keeps up with meta decks... Keep up the good work👍... Love from india.
all those 3 mana mystic shots powering up his tri beam improbulator ^^
the intro is hust * chefs kiss *
Thermobeam is worded pretty badly, if it is working as intended. "Deal that much" is referring to mana spent in total, when you mess with the cost.
Normally: 0 Cost, To play spend all mana (3), Damage = mana paid (3).
Suppressed: 1 Cost, To play spend all mana (2), Damage = mana paid (1+2).
Wow, very nice Deck! These decks are the reason I watch your videos!
I just finished watching your lulu barrier rally video and you post this
Thermo makes perfect sense imo and it's consistent with progress day too. The only other way would be to make it deal one less damage which is not intuitive at all (and funnily enough, it would've still killed your surpressor)
Thermogenic Beam's cost is a bit misleading. In your hand it always costs 0, even with Stony Suppressors on board (the number which you see in the top left corner of the card is the amount of mana you are going to spend), so you can play it even with 0 mana left and a Stony Suppressor in play.
Its effect is draining all your mana and then deals damage equal to the mana spent. Basically, its cost is a part of its effect, and Stony Suppressors don't change any effects. Otherwise you would not be able to ever play a Beam with a Suppressor in play (it would always cost all your mana + 1).
However, after you play it, its "cost" shown on board changes if a Stony Suppressor is in play (which can be considered a bug).
8:11 This is a dynamic spell that deals damage by spending your mana. If mana is 3 units, then the damage will be 3 units.
Inaccurate description of your unit card. And of course the developers' flaw. Your unit's ability should sound something like this:
The cost of all static spells is increased by 1.
Mogwai's *WINK* at the very end when only 1 mushroom activates - that's a sweet cherry on top
The thermo interaction makes sense but it feels bad. I would like to see Stony give it a base mana cost of 1 to be paid then the remainder would be consumed and dealt as damage.
8:22 thermogenic beam uses all mana, so stony suppressor doesn’t affect it bc all +1 is still all mana
Finally some Suppressor action. I always wondered why it never saw play especially after Plaza became a thing. I tried it for like 2 games but I just loathe Demacia playstyle.... Im still a blue player at heart I need my spells and card advantage :D
The thing with thermogenesis beam actually makes sense cause if it always costs one more then it becomes impossible to play the card
I hope we get more cards like Stony Supressor, maybe one for Units and Landmarks respectively or even on a non-unit body like a Landmark, maybe we can see Stax Control or Blood Moon Midrange decks in Runeterra.
7:57 "Did I forget to attack?" well... unless you were playing around Jury-rig... xD
That should be the only exception Miguel, If not you will never be able to use thermo beam. Because whatever mana you have is how much damage you will do, so It it basically ignores how much mana you need to play it because you can always play it
I think thermo can be used even with 0 mana means it will cast anyway without restriction of your mana. The thing is that suppressor add cost to any spell, so thermo got buffed +1 and can be cast. Imagine when you got 0 mana and cast thermo, but suppresor on your board. It will got 1 damage.
The thermo interaction I've seen on stream and myself as well will cost one more. Meaning you just deduct 1 from the total mana as damage. So if the enemy had 3 mana and a suppressor on board, it should cost 3 to cast thermo and deal 2 damage only
I had that interaction before too
A Lvl 2 Viktor used Spell thief of Thermogenic beam.
When i used it with 9 mana, it deals 8 damage and spends 8 mana as well.
Also, i tried it with lvl2 TF before,
I had zero mana and used thermo and used blue card. The mana went back then disappeared after thermo resolved lol
So basically you’re replacing spells with Landmarks and Supports...a clever one we have here
Hi guys I’m still fairly new to the game so my game understanding is probably not the best so just wanted to double check around 25:55 , if he didn’t grab the dragon researcher guy then it wouldn’t have been able to block the eagle thing because of the fearsome buff from cithria right? Could he have won at this point? Or am I missing something?
Love the content Mogwai btw!!
My personal belief of how thermo should work is this:
Normally, it costs 0 to *cast* , then its effect occurs, which drains *all* your mana, and dealing as much damage.
If its cost gets reducted, it still costs 0 to *cast* since that is its cost, then it drains your mana and deals the same damage as normal
Now if its cost is increased, it should cost 1 to *cast* and then its effect occurs, draining your remaining mana, just like normal, except now it deals less damage because of the starting cost which doesn't count for its effect
8:16 I like the treatment
YES I WAS TRYING TO BUILD THIS AS AN ANTI META FOR LEE SIN!!
Now I can just steal from a master deck builder, thanks mogwai
Who plays lee sin
I think Thermo being usable is justified. This interaction imo is much more fair even if it is not the most intuitive thing in the world. If you are the opponent, you would "intuitively think" that thermo simply acts normally and uses all the mana instead of becoming a card you can never play without other forms of removal. Imagine on turn 10 with 3 thermo with a single stony on board and your three cards are simply unplayable (after using several 3 mana mistics and 4 mana monkeys trying to kill that stony but they just plays a new one), which is overly unfair for the thermo player. I like interactions being more fair than intuitive, hence I like this interaction.
The jarvan reveal kinda reminded me of this deck
8:20 thermo beam says spend all your mana and deal damage equal to the amount spent, it is unchanged by stony suppressor
The sofrynos 😂😂 as an italian gotta say I’m most excited for that
What is sofrynos
What a great video! So much fun! Thank you bro.
Mogwai says he's got some dope decks. Me getting hype to see some STORMCLAW URSINE FINALLY
You should attack last with Cithria the Bold at 33:00
that thermo really fucked up Mogwai, so do I, I was so fcking angry at that shit
Thermogenic Beam DOES have a cost.
It costs mana equal to your current mana pool. That's why you can Nopeify it at certain times, and not others, and it charges Improbulator at times, and not others.
Suppressor should change that cost to your current mana total +1, making Thermo entirely unplayable.
My pleasure, from Russia :)
22:04 so satisfying
Seeing more hermidinger or victor decks would be interesting those two legends are probably my favorite.
I get that thermo beam was bs but the other side to that is that you would never be able to play it no matter how much mana you have and that kind of denial is wayyy too broken, specially for a creature on board that maintains the effect until it dies, or they could update with a hot fix to make it so the beam does cost 1 and deals 2 damage in said situation that seems the most reasonable fix
Love it! Interesting deck always better just win-decks :)
22:24 the new era of tyranny
That second game was so fun to watch
"Spend all your mana"
Mogwai: Wait, he just spent all his mana, that shouldn't work that way.
This isn't anything new. Discounts also do not work on Thermo, as the effect clearly shows that mana cost modifyers shouldn't change anything.
No se si alguien ya ha tratado de explicartelo o ya entiendes como funciona, pero el rayo termogenico (o como se escriba en español) usa todo tu mana, no tiene un coste en si, por lo que su coste de 0 pasa a ser 1 , entonces requiere de que minimo tenga un cristal de mana para activarlo, solo que sigue haciendo su efecto de gastar todo el mana del usuario, asi que creo (y no he testeado) impedirias su uso en caso de tener 0 de mana pues subes su costo a 1. se que es lioso pero deduzco que funciona asi
Si no se pudiera usar entonces que hagan que sea 1- de daño.
@@SpectreChazer si podrian nerfearlo de esa manera
i smell spicy deck coming left and right, lets go
Thermogenic Beam is debuffed. But what it actually means, is that you spend all your mana and then costs one more
With the stoney thermo beam interaction - I think that the fact it's shown as costing whatever mana you have left should mean stoney makes it unplayable, since if you have 5 mana it's cost should be 5, plus one with stoney, meaning 6 mana to play when you only have 5. That's what makes the most sense to me. The problem of course is what the card says, and what it shows as a mana cost, contradict each other - classic Riot wording issues.
I was expecting Stoney Suppressor would make Thermogenic Beam unplayable by opponents but it actually buffs it for +1 more damage lmao. rito, wtf.
It didn't deal 4, only 3. The 4-costing was a visual bug.
Interesting decklist. What do you guys think of Egghead Researcher in this deck? Is it too slow for this deck?
We need to consider things to make thermo interact with stony tho... Fixing it to cost 0 card before the text effect may be good, but then i remember Heimer will suffer... Fixing it to cost X+1 also make it completely useless against stoney (even FTR/warmother suffering the same). We can wonder, but its dev who decide hmmm
I would like to see Stony Suppressor deck with Lux, I think that would be interesting
Awesome video. This proves that grand plaza goes well with anything, like for example goes with Anivia really well, you know that?
Nice vid as always man
But im still waiting for some demacian targon dragons to comeback on ladder :"
Btw, you can also play Ren Shadowblade with this deck. He works insanelly well with persuit and plaza and can get you a lot of value (example bellow)
lor.mobalytics.gg/decks/c04b5h071lkrsask8mrg
24:39 what's that magnifying glass thing above the enemy nexus??
finally someone plays lulu
The thermo interaction is weird. For instante, on another example, a thermo with a 1 mana discount will deal damage equal to your total mana BUT will spend ALL but 1 mana. Its not intuitive (and probably wasnt the intended behavior either) and works Very diferently from mana tax/discount on Mtg for instance
you made my day happy thank you
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, is that you?