@@Kiralucy Ret was literally only strong in the last patch of cata because it scaled well with secondaries, and even then it was still significantly weaker than rogues and ferals. Also, unholy dk was an absolutely terrible match-up for ret? Between glyph of icy touch, CoI spam, pet CC, grip and strangulate you had nearly 100% up-time on them and could just spam necrotic strike so goodbye healing. Not to mention you basically ignored their CC because of lichbourne and IBF, and could laugh off their burst (their only real damage) with shell and zone.
@@kalvish5725 stfu you sub rogue lover. There’s literally nothing he can do. Except if he evasions storm bolt rogue uses trinket his stormbolt and than intimidating shout. That’s the only way... other than that. Rogue has too much mobility way too strong of damage. And better self healing than warriors... There’s literally nothing a warrior can do against a rogue. Especially sub... 1v1... 2v2... even in bgs rogue can just reset the fight 3 times... it’s stupid af.
I love how Mcconnell's says "OMG He's Glad dood" and then you remember that most glads in BFA got there because of corruptions and now they don't have it anymore. That's great.
To be fair corruptions where only there for one season and everyone had corruption so it wasnt that super exclusive thing to have when most ppl were getting glad sure there was some bullshit happening but all i all i would say corruption could not carry much. On high rating it was even because everyone had the same corruption. Still bfa glad is worth less than pre bfa glad but its definitely not worthless and still an achievement only very very few got.
@@emileguilbeault7358 how did pvp scaling benefit people that suck? now that gear does 80 % of the job it's much easier for pve players who have absolutely no idea about arena gameplay
@@matacka86 Dks have the lowest play rate in high rated arena. I play frost and unholy and there is literally only 27 frost dks in the top 5000 players from the US. 137 are unholy players. Want to ruin a DK? Do your first go with ur teammate then run. We got no mobility anyways lol.
Its so good watching you guys play together and having that much fun! Glad Mcconnell is back! Mcconnell what are you waiting to become OTK, man? Come on duuuuude...
I feel like rogues would be balanced I'd they were just super easy to kill once you got a hold of them. Like I'm fine that they can stun and snag you and then wreck you but with that power they should be super easy to kill to balance
Asmongold: This arena looks nice Chat: So nice....so sexy...looks great Asmongold: Maybe its a little too bright Chat: too bright..flash....too much etc
The Rogue in the second Arena reminded me while I started to hate PvP in this game before I quit. I really hate that ring around the rosey nonsense. I get that some classes kind of need it to be viable, but it still annoys me to no end, even on melee characters.
Man as a shaman main this pains me to watch. Like we are actually completely useless this exp, blizzard never liked shamans to begin with but this is miserable
Rsham is in a great position. Ele too. Enh is decent with its self heals atm. Shaman is faaaaaaar from the bottom. You're watching undergeared, random skirmish players get rolled by two people in the best gear you can get atm The 2nd shaman who died in the double enhance team didn't line wings+battle cry then used astral shift at 11% hp lol. Can't see the buffs of the other sham
@Boi Shamans have plenty of impactful totems. They even had a talent for ppl who wanted boring stat stick totems but I think that get replaced for slands. There aren't many that remain pruned that were impactful besides unfun resistances and cleansing totem
@Boi ye shaman is nice rn. Earthbind, earthgrab, liquid magma, wind rush, capacitor, tremor, grounding + counterstrike + skyfury (pvp talents) windfury (enh), of course resto has healing stream (or cloudburst if talented), healing tide, mana tide, earthen wall. There are a lot of totems and most of them you aim instead of autodrop at ur feet
0:41 Need to look at the combat logs to see what they used. I think trink buffs for max health and also now they have buffs if your fellow fighter has matching trinkets.
@Joe Dirt arms is THE top right now (although its asmon playing) and elemental and restoration shaman are fucking crazy, just not in 2v2 (and u dont want 2 shamans together) Dont get me wrong, Sub is strong as fuck, but its on the same level as arms and Ret for melees Its just more annoying to play against so ppl hate on it more
"He's playing like a bitch." He's literally playing the rogue as intended, slippery, fast, stealthy, clever. You got embarassed by a good rogue player is all.
@@velenvskaelhas you're getting playing like a bitch confused with playing smart. If you wanna rush in face to face and exhibit zero talent play a fury warrior.
You can always tell which class some of the devs play by what class seems to be abnormally good. The devs do this largely as a way to build a baseline top class that they can compare all the other classes to. This way they can compare any improvements to other classes by comparing it to the top class. If you look back at each expansion you can easily remember each class which seemed to get this lucky top spot. When you are in the top everything is an easy win. No need to play the game perfectly if your class practically has an advantage built in from the start. Lets just hope that blizz decides to even things up over time.
@@tomik6537 An obscure post in an obscure video made quite a long time ago. No one cares about this post much including me because its easily forgotten like the billion or so other posts that are across millions of videos on this site. To give me even so much as a reply is something but honestly its still pointless and valueless as is your argument. Honestly why waste your time on this when there is so much better things you can do. Go have a life and stop wasting it on useless trolling on forgotten posts. Its like competing in the good will games. You know the rest.
@@DesolateSolace He knows he's not great PvP'er, but lots of people enjoy he's content. I hope this simp word would already go away, but I know there will be new words coming that people repeat like parrots.
you mean now all the noobs will get back to high rating again now that they can pay for mythic carries then proceed to oneshjot themselves into near glad territory ? only unskilled noobs hate scaling, just like you
Fun fact: they didn’t need condemn. And if they did. They didn’t do a good job. Bc my 53 Hunter was second in dps as MM and the top was a Warrior and their top damage was condemn for 50%. Next to melee. And I actually used 5-6 abilities. Literally a one button rotation Andy jarhead class.
0:57 that's me every time I try out pvp. Seriously I don't get the shit. Can anyone who is good at pvp tell me what the basics are or what is important in pvp so I don't die?
I'm just glad he enjoys the expansion. Also. Asmon. For fury warrior in pvp. You should utilize the equipment manager. Make a couple of sets. One with the standard 2 hander's. And one with the 2 handed and a shield. Utilize the shield slam And slam. Rampage and raging blow are unusable. But shield slam is pretty dope. Plus shield block acts as a die by the sword in a way. The shield defensive abilities are easy to get used to if you make the 2 sets in equipment manager and drag the set icons to the bar. I hope this helps any other warriors struggling with this swaps return.
*Asmon dies*
Mcconnell: "Carrier has arrived"
Nice Starcraft reference 👌🏻
Hahaha
Toss OP
Asmon is sooooo bad hahah
@@shadowmoranwowgaming7963 Your wrong he's great at killing AI with a predetermined pattern with 0 ability to develop a counter strategy.
*Dies in 3 seconds* "OHH DOOOD ROGUE IS BROKEN DOOD"
*Kills in 3 seconds* "HAWHAW DELETED DOOD HAWHAW"
sometimes he really is just a whinny douch.
Tbf when he got melted by that demon hunter he didn't even get to play the game compared to when he was melting and it was actual fights
@vexial nes he's right tho... Fam hates on class balance when it doesn't suit him
this grown ass man gets carried to all best equipments in the game, heavily outgears everyone, gets smacked and cries
@@RealCheemsJr. sometimes ?
Everyone mocks ret till the wheelchair catches up.
Yeah, but if kited properly its dogshit. Lower elo players don't do it right.
@@unknownentity8256 Anything is dogshit if kited properly.
@@Kiralucy Ret was literally only strong in the last patch of cata because it scaled well with secondaries, and even then it was still significantly weaker than rogues and ferals.
Also, unholy dk was an absolutely terrible match-up for ret? Between glyph of icy touch, CoI spam, pet CC, grip and strangulate you had nearly 100% up-time on them and could just spam necrotic strike so goodbye healing.
Not to mention you basically ignored their CC because of lichbourne and IBF, and could laugh off their burst (their only real damage) with shell and zone.
@@johnsmith-qf1ww Big true.
@@Kiralucy DK's were broken in cata aswell wtf, also they still have instant heals duh?
Maybe Pilav can give him some lessons.
Boost this comment we want see a big alpha warrior here.
@@zemekiel the actual warrior
@@zemekiel suuuper annoying dude
@@hjertrudfiddlecock4394 no u
@@hjertrudfiddlecock4394 you just mad cuz you will never be as good as him :)
Hope mcconnell's back is OK through all the carrying of asmon he was doing 🤣🤣
poor mcconnel must have the back of an 80y old now he has to go mage because he cant move without staff imagine that plottwist
It's okay Paladin will damage will get nerfed like always and it'll be useless just like BFA again, ww monk is the best choice.
Though I agree he is also complete ass at pvp let’s be real
Warr vs ret ret wins easy
LOL asmon played 50-60 war mode OFF so he's completely out of practice
I absolutely lost breath laughing off the first arena death. Deleted my guy 😭
That Kyrian Rogue ability is fucking busted, and I love it.
Plus Fury fucking sucks in shadowland dude
Rogue burst is busted.
@@unknownentity8256 bro he could have lived that so easily if he was using even 10% of his brain
@@kalvish5725 stfu you sub rogue lover. There’s literally nothing he can do. Except if he evasions storm bolt rogue uses trinket his stormbolt and than intimidating shout. That’s the only way... other than that. Rogue has too much mobility way too strong of damage. And better self healing than warriors...
There’s literally nothing a warrior can do against a rogue. Especially sub... 1v1... 2v2... even in bgs rogue can just reset the fight 3 times... it’s stupid af.
I love how Mcconnell's says "OMG He's Glad dood" and then you remember that most glads in BFA got there because of corruptions and now they don't have it anymore.
That's great.
don't forget about pvp scaling, now that it's gone, som epeople suck hard now
Also Asmon has no clue in arena. He is more pve´ing one target and let his glad carrys do the rest.
To be fair corruptions where only there for one season and everyone had corruption so it wasnt that super exclusive thing to have when most ppl were getting glad sure there was some bullshit happening but all i all i would say corruption could not carry much. On high rating it was even because everyone had the same corruption. Still bfa glad is worth less than pre bfa glad but its definitely not worthless and still an achievement only very very few got.
He was rocking red pvp enchant from long ago
@@emileguilbeault7358 how did pvp scaling benefit people that suck?
now that gear does 80 % of the job it's much easier for pve players who have absolutely no idea about arena gameplay
"I know what im doing!"
*Presses Bladestorm*
"How can she slap" omg thats a blast from the past
Rogues are the best pvp class every expansion since vanilla.
How it should be
MoP wasnt too good for rogues
Has somebody forgotten the launch of dk's lol?
@@matacka86 broken beyond fucking belief lololol
@@matacka86 Dks have the lowest play rate in high rated arena. I play frost and unholy and there is literally only 27 frost dks in the top 5000 players from the US. 137 are unholy players. Want to ruin a DK? Do your first go with ur teammate then run. We got no mobility anyways lol.
7:55 nearly brings a tear to my eye just hearing them both laugh so fucking hard man ive missed McCool so much
I had the same feeling
Why are they laughing? What is this noise? lol
"Get em outa here!" 😂🤣
Absolute McCarry
What a day
@AIIUserNamesInvalid neither of them play sub rogue tho
"rogues are busted" then proceeds to delete shamans and not complain ab his class lol
True gamer move
All the classes are p strong
that’s like one of the few classes war can destroy.. rogues are shitting on everyone rn
@@plutohendrix2941 I’m new to wow and pvp so far is just stun and I get 1 shot by some invisible guy or a bunch of dogs attacking me until I die
@@plutohendrix2941 In Arena im guessing? they dont look too hot in BG's
Its so good watching you guys play together and having that much fun! Glad Mcconnell is back!
Mcconnell what are you waiting to become OTK, man? Come on duuuuude...
I feel like rogues would be balanced I'd they were just super easy to kill once you got a hold of them. Like I'm fine that they can stun and snag you and then wreck you but with that power they should be super easy to kill to balance
I can be down for that I main DK and think that is great I can get out of stun and able to save my trinket for any later stuns so I agree lol
"PVP is so fun"
- massively outgears everyone else, gets dunked when someone evenly geared comes along.
Man’s said it was fun. Not easy. Lol
Or rogue , I’d love to catch asmon slipping on my rogue lol
What is a glad?
This is exactly why pvp scaling was implemented in the first place. Imagine how much it must suck to be at the recieving end
@@CatalystNetwork gladiator title from arenas. given with a high amount ranked. you get mounts,gear and gladiator title that comes along with it
I remember how worried Mcconell was about ret paladins in Shadowlands and now it seems like he's having absolute fun!
What a day...
McConnell?
Having *_f u n?_*
What is this "Fum" you talk about?
he was worried that they'd nerf it's dmg and not give it any mobility which probably will happen
Mobility for ret Pally is still god awful
@@Debrafeem lol enha sham
I love how when McConnell starts shot calling and taking charge they start rollin 😂
Well yeah rets are better than warriors. Been like that since legion.
Bruh this backseat from Asmon when he's literally dying in the first 20 seconds is hilarious
the amount of times i heard "one more and we'll do a bg" was insane AHHAHA
Asmon: “WHERE DID MY HEALTH GO”
Rogue: hah dagger go stab stab
Mcconnell has such a satisfying laugh i could listen to it all day, just pure fucking enjoyment , this is why i watch asmon for moments like that!
It seems so that Uther's gathering has served its purpose
Enemy team : uses every offensive cool down possible
Asmingold : responds using nothing, dies 🍑🍑 o_0
I lost it at, “They literally pop like balloons man!” LOL
I love the consistent energy. Win/lose you're 100% pissed or loving it lmaoo
Asmongold: This arena looks nice
Chat: So nice....so sexy...looks great
Asmongold: Maybe its a little too bright
Chat: too bright..flash....too much etc
"Where'd he go?!" We've all been there... even the rogues.
Hell, especially the rogues. We're as squishy as anyone, just hard to tell when the person supposed to be hitting them is blinded or stunned.
If they dont fix it he will go bald cuz stress
Made me lol
The Rogue in the second Arena reminded me while I started to hate PvP in this game before I quit. I really hate that ring around the rosey nonsense. I get that some classes kind of need it to be viable, but it still annoys me to no end, even on melee characters.
7:53 just for me whenever i need a laugh
I'm only here to watch this guys eyebrows move while he talks
Yeah! They are out of controll
Wtf i never saw that before
Lmao yup same
S***s hilarious
Pala solos 2 and rogues are OP... great logic...
Rogues are a bit too strong cmon...
"Look at this dude, like, we're destroy... I'm dead." XD
“He sapped you.” I think he figured that out himself cause he, ya know, couldn’t move
This is how I feel every single time a boomkin gets .4 seconds of a convoke cast off
What's with the eyebrow movement when talking.
Lmao
Asmongold: oneshot people is fun
Also Asmongold: WHAT HAPPENED TO MY HEALTH???
This man goes for full send damage he doesn't care about defensives 😂
Insane how Asmongold has played the game for so many years, yet he still has NO clue regarding whats going on in PvP...😂
Miss when everyone had the same gear in arena now when I q with 0 rating I get 40k hp ppl
Honestly glad that mcconnell is back, missed that guy
You seem to have lots of fun! I'll begin playing the xpack tomorrow and it is nice to know PvP is good
man uses 0 defensive cds - "sub rogue is broken"
Man as a shaman main this pains me to watch. Like we are actually completely useless this exp, blizzard never liked shamans to begin with but this is miserable
Rsham is in a great position. Ele too. Enh is decent with its self heals atm. Shaman is faaaaaaar from the bottom. You're watching undergeared, random skirmish players get rolled by two people in the best gear you can get atm
The 2nd shaman who died in the double enhance team didn't line wings+battle cry then used astral shift at 11% hp lol. Can't see the buffs of the other sham
@Boi Shamans have plenty of impactful totems. They even had a talent for ppl who wanted boring stat stick totems but I think that get replaced for slands. There aren't many that remain pruned that were impactful besides unfun resistances and cleansing totem
@Boi ye shaman is nice rn. Earthbind, earthgrab, liquid magma, wind rush, capacitor, tremor, grounding + counterstrike + skyfury (pvp talents) windfury (enh), of course resto has healing stream (or cloudburst if talented), healing tide, mana tide, earthen wall. There are a lot of totems and most of them you aim instead of autodrop at ur feet
And people say classic PvP is stupid .....watching this makes me puke . TBC was the best PvP in this game lucky for us it will come back
0:41 Need to look at the combat logs to see what they used. I think trink buffs for max health and also now they have buffs if your fellow fighter has matching trinkets.
3:40 mccool✊✊✊
06:59 proud when the opposite healer + your own healer does more dps.
*7:50** thank me later*
How to be Asmongold: You see karma on enemy monk? USE CONDEMN!!!!!!!
Sooooo all I got is, everything is OP as long as it kills asmon
Wanna see the Literal God in action? Then proceeds to get stunned for 6 seconds and killed haha loved that part
"Sub Rogue is broken" he says
*proceeds to delete people as arms*
:D
@Joe Dirt arms is THE top right now (although its asmon playing) and elemental and restoration shaman are fucking crazy, just not in 2v2 (and u dont want 2 shamans together)
Dont get me wrong, Sub is strong as fuck, but its on the same level as arms and Ret for melees
Its just more annoying to play against so ppl hate on it more
@@Frosfank3034 I would imagine rogue pulls ahead of arms in 3s just because it has more utility.
@@Chopstorm. warrior has the most utility out of every class in the game for pvp, rogue has utility but warrior has way more
Reminds me of classic pre patch when rogues were one shotting warriors with ambush... such a high skill class....
dude i would throw up if i moved my eye brows that much
its his sugar filled diet probably actually caused nerve damage
@@mattdrifts And hair loss
Every time I see one of these pvp videos I always watch with the highest res possible, just in case I happened to have been there
"thats how easy it is" when you get carried.... lol
I love how mcconnell is always tellin asmon to shut up 😂😂
"He's playing like a bitch." He's literally playing the rogue as intended, slippery, fast, stealthy, clever. You got embarassed by a good rogue player is all.
I would say the rogue is busted, which it is, but that was an amazing rogue. Imagine if he had the healing pot from kyrians
That doesnt change the fact that he was indeed playing like a bitch
@@velenvskaelhas you're getting playing like a bitch confused with playing smart. If you wanna rush in face to face and exhibit zero talent play a fury warrior.
Rogue didn’t even play good, what do you mean?
@@RetroBlastBeats talent = playing like a bitch?
since when?
McCool hard carrying 2v2s and BGs
stil asmongold dont know that someone already has the shadowlands season 1 arena mount
I read that bliz is nerfing condemn and turning second wind into a toothpaste substitute that tastes like cotton candy and cookie dough.
I thought the title was memeing
10 seconds in, I regret my life decisions.
that first pair they versed had jpc, one of the best pve rogues in the game
Mfg, he does not use ignore pain at all.
You can always tell which class some of the devs play by what class seems to be abnormally good. The devs do this largely as a way to build a baseline top class that they can compare all the other classes to. This way they can compare any improvements to other classes by comparing it to the top class. If you look back at each expansion you can easily remember each class which seemed to get this lucky top spot. When you are in the top everything is an easy win. No need to play the game perfectly if your class practically has an advantage built in from the start. Lets just hope that blizz decides to even things up over time.
@@tomik6537 An obscure post in an obscure video made quite a long time ago. No one cares about this post much including me because its easily forgotten like the billion or so other posts that are across millions of videos on this site. To give me even so much as a reply is something but honestly its still pointless and valueless as is your argument. Honestly why waste your time on this when there is so much better things you can do. Go have a life and stop wasting it on useless trolling on forgotten posts. Its like competing in the good will games. You know the rest.
Why is Asmon commenting on everything? It's just making it painfully obvious he has no idea what he's doing :)
He sapped you. Really, wow I would have never figured that out if you hadn’t told me
Because he's streaming/making a video.
Yea no asmon is a trash wow player. He's only where he's at now because so many people simp for him in game.
@@DesolateSolace He knows he's not great PvP'er, but lots of people enjoy he's content. I hope this simp word would already go away, but I know there will be new words coming that people repeat like parrots.
@@DesolateSolace he is only where he is now cuz he is entertaining..keep malding like the bald man domehead😂😂😂💩💩😎😎
This makes me very excited for PvP
Deleted his hairline
"I know what im doing ok guys"
"Where THE FUCK did my health go???"
All noobs get exposed now in pvp, no more scalling and other shit that carries people
Noo now will pve dragonslayer no lifes will rule this place well again..
you mean now all the noobs will get back to high rating again now that they can pay for mythic carries then proceed to oneshjot themselves into near glad territory ? only unskilled noobs hate scaling, just like you
Pve gear is garbage in pvp and if you get one shot by pve people other than sub rogs, you simply suck🤷♂️
Glad to see mcool back esp in arena
Fun fact: they didn’t need condemn. And if they did. They didn’t do a good job. Bc my 53 Hunter was second in dps as MM and the top was a Warrior and their top damage was condemn for 50%. Next to melee. And I actually used 5-6 abilities. Literally a one button rotation Andy jarhead class.
asmond kills
asmond: oooooooohhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
mcconnell: nice
McCool's laugh is the best...
I wish... that would make arms so much better. If they made second wind to the way it first came out. 6% every 1 second for 30% of ur max health.
8;54 asmon says Wait what happened tp him, its call divine Toll :) Yessssssss
One of the best wow streams in a long time
Love to see how if you get Hoj’d by a paladin with no defensives you’re pretty much screwed still.
Wheelchair Palas Sadge
Arena looks fun now. It is no longer a contest of who doesn't get cramps first.
“They’re not gonna nerf condemn”…
Foreshadowing…
Hunters are bonkers too, aimed shot smacks insane numbers
Door of shadows could be good if you could either cast while moving or if it was an instant cast imo, as it is it's just ok.
6:33 that face says it all. arms warrior was so fucking broken.
I was the monk flavortownz in this video, getting oneshotted 100-0 when McConnell was in bubble was probably the dumbest thing I've witnessed.
7:50 and on is some of the best content on the internet lmfao
Asmongold : i dont expect everyone else to be a good player as i am
1:40 good player ladies and gentleman
Just wait for the 25k judgments or the 44k crit final verdicts...
0:57 that's me every time I try out pvp. Seriously I don't get the shit. Can anyone who is good at pvp tell me what the basics are or what is important in pvp so I don't die?
It’s a mix of skill and gear, if you have immense skill you can still get shit on by a 225 Ilvl geared guy. Better gear, more wins.
Plot twist: this is the system that Sylvanas is trying to change.
The Shadowlands are broken
For anyone who doesn't know there is a one button kill macro that uses 17 moves right now just FYI
McConnell complaining about sub rogue being broken while playing a ret haha
Mcconnell is going to need a back brace.... Or a saddle for all this carrying he's doing.
Arms with die by the sword and ignore pain cost by 40 rage.
I'm just glad he enjoys the expansion. Also. Asmon. For fury warrior in pvp. You should utilize the equipment manager. Make a couple of sets. One with the standard 2 hander's. And one with the 2 handed and a shield. Utilize the shield slam And slam. Rampage and raging blow are unusable. But shield slam is pretty dope. Plus shield block acts as a die by the sword in a way. The shield defensive abilities are easy to get used to if you make the 2 sets in equipment manager and drag the set icons to the bar. I hope this helps any other warriors struggling with this swaps return.
Ret and sub rogues are just a TAD op.
Restro druid>all mate try it
he needs the classic damage numbers addon to make this look 100x cooler
Asmon was a great distraction made them win the BG's.