Loose Canon: Queen Elizabeth I
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2016
- One of European history's most famous monarchs has, throughout the ages, always begged a single question: who was she schtupping? From Doctor Who to Blackadder to the lunatic fever dreams of Roland Emmerich, we know she was doin' it with someone (or trying to).
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In fairness, if I had Cate Blanchett in my film, I would also have her give an Aragorn speech in full armour on horseback, pretty much regardless of what the film was.
"Because Shakespeare was a poor, and poors don't art."
"But how can falcon if not posh?!?"
He did become somewhat rich, after he arted a lot, so to speak.
THAT'S IT, THAT'S FUCKING IT
Kyle Kallgren reference. I see you are person of culture as well.
Did he really rich after he art? I didn't even know he nobled in the first place. 😮
Super-inbred double-bastard is my new favourite insult, and the contribution of this concept lets me forgive Roland for 2012
I wish I could Like this comment a hundred times because that insult is my new favorite too.
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The best part is that you can sing it to the tune of “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles”.
If Poors cant art, and Dukes dont art, then who's flying the plane?!?
Brown Jenkins?
Lindsay, you should do Cleopatra! I think that would be interesting, as she was another female monarch who has a lot of media rep.
PLEASE
Also one with a disproportionate amount of attention put on her sexy-times. The difference is that, instead of "probably nothing" often but not always being turned into a major part of her story, "part of how she got powerful allies" usually gets turned into her entire character.
There is some evidence to suggest that Hatshepsut had a long affair with Senenmut, head architect and tutor to her daughter Neferure. Given depictions of him and Neferure together there's even the slim possibility that he was Neferure's father.
Ancient Egypt has sooo much untapped potential for film/TV. You don't even have to identify it as Egypt to get a good story.
The north of the country fell to foreign invaders decades before a new king rises and continues the war to reunite his country. After a series of setbacks and victories, the king slowly starts re-taking territory but is heroically cut down in battle, leaving behind two young sons. The queen gives an inspiring speech to rally the troops and successfully continues the fight. As regent she becomes known as a 'warrior queen' and manages to win an uneasy peace with the foreigners. When he comes of age, the eldest prince launches a new war on the foreigners but just as victory is in his grasp, he too falls in battle. Under her guidance, it's up to the youngest prince to finally achieve the complete liberation of the country and chase the foreigners across the desert where he flattens their stronghold after a long and brutal siege. She lives long enough to see her grandson take the throne and possibly even the birth of her great-granddaughter... Hatsphepsut.
And that's not even the most interesting story from the period. Barely a century later you have all the social and political upheaval of Akhenaten, Nefertiti, Tutankhamun, Ay, and Horemheb.
Watch The Cleopatras it is a triiiiiiiip
@Northern Light To be fair, Cleopatra's affairs are an integral part of an entire era of European history. You can't discuss the rise of the Roman Empire without mentioning her relationships with Caesar & Mark Antony.
Moreover, Hatshepsut was a Pharoah still overshadowed by others from her dynasty, officially ruled alongside her son, was almost erased from history by one of her successors, and ruled a regional kingdom a thousand years before Herodotus was born.
Don't see why, in this day and age, it's so unbelievable that a woman with experience of sexual abuse would be uninterested in having sex.
@@WhaleManMan Supposedly she was abused in her childhood by Thomas Seymour, whose wife tried to help Elizabeth by sending her away.
@@WhaleManMan when she lived with her aunt when she as a teen. He would go into her room and ‘tickle’ her and I’m pretty sure he also used to touch her arse, and possibly tried to cut her clothes off once and made it look jokey. He wanted power and saw Elizabeth as the way to it
@@Lord_Of_Night There is documentation her step mother held her down while the guy hacked up the dress elizabeth was wearing.
or any woman whatsoever. or any human honestly. not everybody is obsessed with sex, just because our culture is, and trivializes the act and commodifies every aspect of human sexuality and sexualizing every directly humanly commodity as well, well not everyone is brainwashed into making their whole life's around sex. it's not a big deal if someone, specially women, who are over sexualized their whole live as sexual objects, are not that interested in it after a while. just leave us alone.
"People usually remember Elizabeth fondly... In Britain at least." True there, not a lot of Irish people like her.
I recall an exchange between the professor and a student from a Catholic family during a class about espionage:
Prof: Would you spy against Elizabeth I?
Student: I mean, if she blew up my family, then probably yeah.
KingCow336 _ She did found my college in Dublin.
People in the anglo world still call Mary "Bloody" but ignore what she did to Catholics because anti-Catholic paranoia has been a big part of English and Ango-American culture even to this day.
Honestly I can't imagine that there are many British leaders who are remembered fondly in Ireland.
@@greysquirrel404 Elizabeth is probably remembered more fondly than Cromwell, for example.
I can't believe Dr.Who plowed Queen Elizabeth. It's like some kind of weird ass fanfic.
Kolbatsu If you think that's weird, David Tennant (the Tenth Doctor) married the daughter of another actor who played the Doctor, and she played the Tenth Doctor's daughter in one of the episodes. In other words, the Doctor married his own daughter but she's not the daughter of the Doctor that married her.
My head...
I loved that one. Why?
CONTINUITY!
Dr. Who is basically half ALIENS and half historical fanfiction. :D
Welcome to Moffat’s terrible writing (and no, he didn’t actually have sex with her. They were very insistent on marriage)
Why do people assume that Elizabeth had to be sleeping with someone? What's so unbelievable about being a virgin?
Maybe she was asexual
meikoblock Exactly!
Because it's effectively Historical Fact Elizabeth slept around with whomever she pleased, including those mentioned in this Video.
I refuse to believe someone walked through life without having their genitals licked and tickled.
Cake# I'm 23 and still a virgin. It's easy to walk through life without sleeping with anyone.
Not sure how a woman would supposedly forget about a child she gave birth to but hey ho
Twilight sleep ?
+Ellie Smelly Elizabethan era narcotics?
+Ellie Smelly Well, according to Wicked (the book), all you need is to be really depressed and you'll forget the child ever existed.
+Ellie Smelly When you have as many as she did, you wouldn't recognise them when they grew up and you hadn't seen them in years. It's possible.
+CheeseCrusader42 Yeah, it was a really stupid book
You should make a loose canon about the romanovs, maybe specifically Anastasia since she is the most known about in media
BluePenguin200 I agree. That would be fascinating.
Totally agree!
BluePenguin200 Agreed, although it is sad that Olga, Tatiana and Maria get discarded so often; they're just as interesting and relatable. Each of them had their own unique personality and seeing how they lived before their executions makes it that much sadder. Anastasia's prominent status in popular culture was by sheer accident, mainly because of Anna Anderson a.k.a. Franziska Anna Czenstkowski a.k.a. Franziska Schanzkowska, a tragic figure in her own right (and who was gambling on Tatiana's identity too in the beginning). And it was Maria (with Alexi's) remains that were separated from their family's, not Anastasia's. Would also really love one on Grigory who has been so badly mishandled by the media as Lindsay has discussed before in an old Nostalgia Chick episode (even though I have a soft spot for Don Bluth's film as a work of fiction very, very loosely rooted in a world of fact). Douglas Smith's recent book on him does a decent job at putting to rest a lot of the tired myths about him (i.e. he was a dirty peasant - this is an upper-class stereotype; he actually frequented the St Petersburg and Pokrovskoe bathhouses a lot as is cultural custom; he was a sex maniac - his sexual activities, even with his wife, were restrained once he converted fully to spiritualism; he was a drunkard - he gave up smoking, the consumption of meat and alcoholism by ca. 1903 during his holy pilgrimages, though he did resume drinking to cope after his first assassination attempt; he started the Revolution - he had no part in it, etc., etc.). The late Alan Rickman's performance of him is appreciated, though dated to the perceptions of 1995, such as he was unhygienic, sex-crazed and a raving drunk (he was none of these). He wasn't necessarily perfect, but evil and the personification of the Devil himself? Nah. He was interesting and deeply flawed. Any real person is.
I literally just listened to Anastasia the musical yesterday what-
(also yes please do this)
What about atrocious stories foreigners tell about Catherine the Great?
I am Russian, I hate monarchist Russia's history, but I also hate lies about monarchs and any other people
I think the "and that's the joke" writing off of Blackadder's Queenie is a bit unfair. Apart from being a very funny performance, every season of Blackadder is a critique of the British class structure, and portrays authority figures as either dangerously power crazed maniacs or unbearably stupid upper class twits, and Queenie is both. The writers and actors of the show came to prominence during the premiership of Thatcher, and their kind of satire was very relevant in Britain then, and now. With every passing series Blackadder finds himself lower and lower in the class system, while those at the top get worse and worse as the centuries roll on. This being said, as a British working class guy, maybe a piss take of our class system is far more relevant and obvious to me then it would be to an American, which is fair enough. Or it's entirely possible that I'm being over sensitive as I grew up with Blackadder on telly, and it is honestly beloved over here. Maybe Blackadder is like Pantomime, very silly and found funny exclusively by Brits?
1 year later... No, born and bred American: there are few things I love MORE than Blackadder. It's an amazing series.
I really do agree that I think she misunderstood the Blackadder's Queenie, to add apart from everyone being idiotic like Queenie so not a straight representation e.g. Percy flirts with every girl he sees, even Baldrick in a dress. She most certainly doesn't fancy every man, as an example she was the only noble main character to not fancy or have sex with Prince Ludwig the Indestructible. She has a crush on Lord flashheart because who wouldn't, everyone does, he is perfect in every way, that's the Joke. She fancies Sir Walter Raleigh, because that becomes the reason Blackadder goes on an expedition to the cape of Good Hope. We never really know her true feelings towards Blackadder just that she is keen on him at some points. Her love interests is sort of (as in probably not thought about too much by the writers) used as a satire of previous movies and gossip (historical) made of her, like being keen on Essex before she cut his head off, in that context it proves that it's a load of twaddle, all the secret lovers stuff. Sorry this is just the stuff off the top of my head so isn't as good a rebuke as could be.
I'm not English and I thought the same thing: this is obviously some iconoclastic satire of their historical figure during Thatcher.
Nice that someone else thought the same.
I was going to write this... or.... at least something similar. The disregard for Fry/Laurie/Robinson/Atkinson/Elton and Curtis' writing as "... and that's the joke" is a terrible oversight! Perhaps some of the jokes in Black Adder are dated, products of their time - but as you've pointed out it was penned by progressive left wingers and writing off Miranda Richardsons character so quickly and simply actually hurt me inside. I urge you Lindsay, if you have the time watch all four seasons of Black Adder and if you still think Queenie is a simple one note joke, 2D character then fair enough, but I think there are several more layers of complexity in the writing of her character that other users here have alluded to in much better detail than I can.
"Basically, it's a right old mess.Toffs at the top, plebs at the bottom, and me in the middle making a fat pile of cash out of both of them."
I am surprised that no version has her in a lesbian relationship.
It would be far less stupid than most of the shit people have already made up about her.
Mortato Doesnthaveasurname That would be great. It will eventually happen, I hope. Really, any lesbian medieval love story would do :D
That'll be the next project of the director who did the current Whitney project?
Firstly Elizabeth is a renissance figure. she is not from the middle ages. Secondly, the idea of her being gay is very funny and very incorrect.
Ingrid Dubbel that's what fiction is for, sweetie.
One of the major reasons Elizabeth I didn't marry was that if she did marry then all power and control of the country would automatically move to her Husband. The only eligible royal suitors were from countries that we English were not at good terms with either politically, culturally or religiously. So the British Aristocracy didn't want the crown to go to "a dirty foreigner" and control to a potential enemy/rival, that is why after her death it went to the Stewart family (and what a mistake that was) as they were her "cousins". We then got 3 civil wars and one almost religious civil war and/or possible religious world war (gunpowder plot Protestant vs Catholic), out of 3 generations of Stewart monarchs. Then we gave the crown to William of Orange, after James II buggered off to France before we could cut his head off like we did his father for treason, making the Aristocratic "Never a dirty foreigner as King" previous stance rather silly.
Really? Now I'm interested in doing research about the Stewart reign. No pun intended from the TV show Reign about Mary Stewart.
Let's see, her father divorced his first wife to marry Elizabeth's mother, whom he executed for adultery and treason. His third wife died shortly after giving birth to the much desired son, followed shortly by the fourth wife whom he divorced but couldn't execute because (like Number One) she was a princess. Number five was executed, also for adultery and treason and number six was in danger of her life for her extremely Protestant religious views, but fortunately she escaped when he died of syphilis. Elizabeth was witness to most of this and had been declared a bastard when her mother got chopped. If you had experienced all this before you hit puberty, would you have rushed to the wedding chapel?
There's also the theory that the queen had an abnormally small vagina (borderline hermaphroditism?) and would have been incapable of bearing a child, or even of being penetrated...except perhaps by a finger...or a tongue! And even that is debatable. There's also the fact that Henry passed syphilis to all of his children at their conception, rendering them infertile.
Just out of idle curiosity, why did you put "cousins" in quotation marks? The STUARTS (they used the French spelling) were descended from Henry the Eighth's older sister Margaret, who had married James the Fourth of Scotland. Her son James the Fifth was the father of Mary, Queen of Scots (whom Henry had hoped to marry to his son Edward the Sixth when they were both still infants, but her mother Marie of Guise packed her off to France to avoid it and remained in Scotland as regent after the death of her husband) but who married her OTHER cousin, Charles Stuart Earl of Darnley (husband #2) and gave birth to only one child, James the Sixth (of Scotland) James the First (of England) who succeeded Elizabeth. They were in fact COUSINS, albeit two times removed.
@Siren Drake And that really grinded your gears, didn't it? 😋
@Siren Drake it was probably more a fear of what could occur more than a guaranteed occurance. The fear of a church forcing it upon the monarchy or be labeled evil by the church... because that's what the churches did back then when someone didn't agree with em. Also, unlike America, the church was the highest law in Europe... although it could be argued that the church was even the highest law in America once upon a time.
@Siren Drake I mentioned the churches because they exist. You may wanna labor under the belief that they never existed, but I know better.
In a way it's a shame that the focus is not on her policies, particularly her reform of the Church of England, and how it fail to appease either protestants nor Catholics.
The point of Blackadder was that maybe history isn’t how we really remember it. Elisabeth wasn’t the only monarch to have a personality switch in the series. But she was purposely portrayed in manner that us Brits wouldn’t have seen before. They took a queen who is remembered for being a good, authoritative, virgin monarch and turned her into a horny idiot, but also made Richard III a kind king who loved his nephew (who in this version of history survived and ruled after his uncle died at the battle of Bosworth). This is precisely why Blackadder is so funny to us Brits. It takes historical characters and either reverses their role, or takes a known character flaw and multiplies it. Laurie, who helped right some of Blackadder has a degree in archaeology and all of the writers show a great love of British history.
"Laurie, who helped right some of Blackadder has a degree in archaeology"
He got a 3rd, though XD He was too busy doing comedy.
Blackadder played off of two ideas of Elizabeth's reign. First was the fact of her extensive spy network which was used to root out political opponents and... deal with them. This is why she constantly makes such threats. Elizabethan society was famously scary for anyone with a mind for politics.
Blackadder also played on rumor and expectation of the numerous and varied courtships she was rumored to have had juxtaposed with her image as a virgin queen.
Blackadder is a masterpiece of comedy
How did you not include Elizabeth R? An incredible masterpiece of television.
It's on Hulu and UA-cam (last time I checked) if anyone wants to watch it. I also really recc it. It's one of those shows I gladly rewatch.
I was shocked that it wasn't included. Every time I see Elizabeth I portrayed, I end up comparing it to Elizabeth R. So far, only Anne-Marie Duff in The Virgin Queen has come close.
Have you thought about doing one on Joan of Arc?
Honestly, every time I read about Joan of Arc, it makes me really sad and depressed. Her story in general is pretty tense and just... Hard to go through.
Shit, even compared to 9/11.
My favorite fictionalization of her story is the one in The Simpsons, it's actually pretty good.
Joan of Arc was not a queen and didn't "reign" anywhere.
"I may have have the body of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the heart and stomach of a concrete elephant!"
So there.
"Poors can't art and earls don't poetry." This is accidentally a great explanation for why The Fine Art World is so dissonant from what most people actually like best in terms of art. Cause a lot of times it's just rich people showing off to each other by buying whatever their friends are buying.
Hats off to the irl Elizabeth I for bucking the trend and having actually good taste in theater. Which makes a lot of these portrayals... sadly ironic.
Leicester is just pronounced "Lester". I live there.
+04whim Aahh, thank you! I've been saying it "Lay-sester", knowing that most likely was incorrect.
I've been pronouncing it "lie-chester." WOW I was off...
always thought it was
Lie-qester
(lifelong D-
in school,
in Engrish)
Seriously, what is it with the British and dropping whole syllables from their city/county names. "Leicester" becomes just "Lester," "Worcestershire" somehow gets whittled down to "Worstershire," etc. What do they have against saying "chester"? LOL!
@@TranslatorCarminum We don't have an issue saying 'chester', if we're talking about the Cheshire town of Chester. But have a look at other unintuitively pronounced names like Cholmondeley (which is also a village in Cheshire and the surname of a lieutenant [in Britain we pronouce that lef-ten-ant] of the Tower of London who has a fictional version appearing in Gilbert & Sullivan's The Yeomen of the Guard) and Featherstonehaugh (which is an old English family name which is lent to a castle in Northumberland)
I loved Orlando when I was kid. It introduced me to Tilda Swinton - but I am shocked that I only now realise that Quentin Crisp was in that movie, playing the role of Queen Elizabeth! I was obsessed with him when I was teenager, and now realising that he was in it after all these years, I HAVE to watch it again.
Leicester = Lester
+1
National Space Centre's a nice place to visit.
I HATE it when someone does the "whatever it is pronounced, I don't care" thing, even though a five second Google search would do the trick.
James Dalby We went there when I was in like Year 4. It was pretty awesome
Narborough Road massive!
hear me out
what if she was a lesbian
Yesssss!!!! Slow clap 👏🏾
YAASS! I have speculated that too! (btw you should check out this historic film called The Girl King, If Elisabeth I was a lesbian, then this and that movie would have very much in common)
Well, Lesbianism at the time was not nearly as accepted as being gay, or being straight of course, but King James 1 was known to have his boyfriends. That is reccorded history, and James 1 was her successor.
Granted I have not studied her that extensively, but I woudl assume that could be alluded to more. Hm. I may have to research
+Aron puma oh, cool! :0
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, why do people take, both fictonal chracters and real people not in a relationship or who hang out with people of the same sex and think that they are/were gay?
If you ever do another one based on real people, you should do one on the Brothers Grimm. Because people absolutely love turning those Grimm boys into other things (con-men, detectives, wizards, monster hunters, etc). Though, to be fair, you might not have much to draw from in cinema and TV. You'd probably have to dip into books and comics as well.
Weren't they doing a study on how language changes and that's why they started collecting fairy tales? Because fairy tales were one of the few things that were likely to be preserved and shared.
This is so stupid but I had to stop the video because I laughed way too hard at "double super bastard". And then again because of "ultra bastard"
Makes it sound like YuGiOh cards
how about queen disappearing regularly for 9 months to produce such bastards. 😅
That Stannis Baratheon blurb, though! HAHAHAHA!
I can't believe you didn't like black adder, it's one of my favourite shows ever, and also "this guy" that was Rik Mayal one of the funniest men who ever lived and my hero
Don't like Blackadder? That's like blasphemy our side of the Atlantic, everyone who isn't a far right loon loves Blackadder here.
Sam Hall, totally agree, I think queenie knows what should be done with her
I think she misunderstood the Blackadder's Queenie, to add apart from everyone being idiotic like Queenie so not a straight representation e.g. Percy flirts with every girl he sees, even Baldrick in a dress. She most certainly doesn't fancy every man, as an example she was the only noble main character to not fancy or have sex with Prince Ludwig the Indestructible. She has a crush on Lord flashheart because who wouldn't, everyone does, he is perfect in every way, that's the Joke. She fancies Sir Walter Raleigh, because that becomes the reason Blackadder goes on an expedition to the cape of Good Hope. We never really know her true feelings towards Blackadder just that she is keen on him at some points. Her love interests is sort of (as in probably not thought about too much by the writers) used as a satire of previous movies and gossip (historical) made of her, like being keen on Essex before she cut his head off, in that context it proves that it's a load of twaddle, all the secret lovers stuff. Sorry this is just the stuff off the top of my head so isn't as good a rebuke as could be.
Lindsay is probably just jealous of that cute nosy-wosy.
It's blasphemy on the other side too, as far as I'm concerned.
the 1971 British miniseries Elizabeth R starring Glenda Jackson was excellent.
I want to applaud your creation of the term "Shakespeare Truthers" (as opposed to Anti-Stratfordians). BTW I had no idea the plot of ANONYMOUS was quite this stupid.
+David MacDowell Blue What is crap is all the conspiracy theory bullshit. Funny thing about this is more about Elizabeth than the Shakespeare itself, the one that says that Shakespeare didnt write his plays love Elizabeth and desire that her reign never ended, and the one that says that Shakespeare did write his plays hate Elizabeth to the core and call her a despotic autocratic character. I care less about all that crap. I more interested in the question. If Shakespeare really wrote his plays? And again. Wasn't Elizabeth a sympathetic character again now?
You need to watch the Brows Held High episode on it. It's one of my favourites. I love how angry Kyle gets over it - even though I also feel bad for him xD
"The Tudor Rose is not a REAL FLOWER"
I'll take this older more harmless sort of conspiracy theory over more problematic modern stuff like 9/11 truthers and sandy hook truthers who harass victims of tragedy.
@@MonkehBuns As far as I've read, all of the theories are based purely on circumstantial evidence and hypotheses. Since circumstantial evidence is weak evidence, the direct (non-circumstantial) evidence like title pages and contemporary accounts that credits Shakespeare himself is considered to easily outweighs it by most scholars. Textual analysis by computational stylistics has also given strong evidence against all major alternative candidates with enough surviving texts to compare.
Wikipedia has an extensive article on the issue going through the points (both for and against) in detail with references, though for a shorter version Sceptoid looked at the question in skeptoid.com/episodes/4280.
As for why people get upset, my experience is that many people simply take it personally when they hear opinions that differ from their own, and even more so when they believe their position to be objectively true or are personally invested in the matter. And since many people are very invested in Shakespeares work, the authorship becomes extra contentious by association (I don't care terribly much, I just like to have all facts presented ; ).
@@MonkehBuns Just read Bill Bryons book about, its quite interesting.
Elizabeth did have a suit of decorative armor that she would have worn for that speech. but she wouldn't have fought in it of course. Whats interesting is that armor for nobility was more practical during king henry's reign.wearing armor as a sign of status continued into the time of queen elizabeth but it ceased to be as functional or practical. and instead was just made for asthetic. also a note on the term "man armor" is just silly. its just armor. armor should be tailor made for each wearer but the idea, if it is what you are assuming, that women armor would be shapely to the feminine features to make them identifiable as such while suited is wrong. unless it is modern costume armor.
Lindsay, quick note about her being watched in her bedroom - during that time period, it was common for servants and even nobility to witness royals "doing their business" for a few reasons. One, oddly enough, as entertainment. Two, so they knew who the parents were if a child was born of it, and three, to make sure nobody killed them. So, showing her ladies-in-waiting watching Elizabeth "doing-the-do" isn't so much weird as, funnily enough, historically accurate.
My favourite Elizabeth is the one portrayed in the Mary Queen of Scots 1971 film . She is shown as an actual queen, that is, someone in charge and making decisions, and takes up a great percentage of screentime, being a much more compelling character than poor Mary (who had the typical, classic and tiresome role of being The One We Just Feel Sorry For). She gets to say the line "That monarch if first a woman; this woman is first a monarch", explaining the difference between herself and Mary Stuart. If you haven't seen this, check it out, Lindsay.
Glenda Jackson is the actress. She also played Elizabeth in an acclaimed 1971 BBC miniseries which Lindsay unfortunately omits from this analysis.
The newer adaptations are certainly interesting, but I'm sad you left out two of my favorite portrayals (regardless of accuracy): in "The Sea Hawk" (1940) with Errol Flynn and in "Fire Over England" (1937) with Laurence Olivier. Both portrayals are by Flora Robson, who is so much fun to watch. She plays Elizabeth as a born leader, and neither movie worries about her love life at all.
Drama over accuracy: almost every version of Elizabeth's story has her meeting Mary Queen of Scots, which NEVER HAPPENED. In their entire lives, those two never met. So yeah, movies tend to stretch the truth to extremes just to "make it work". Personally, I think it would be really interesting to see a version where all they have to go on about each other is what the _men_ around them tell them. Imagine the issues that would bring up, especially these days!
So glad to see new content!
I have been a fan for years and am glad to see you back!
A note on the conspiracy theory in Anonymous: I had to do a research project on whether or not Shakespeare wrote the plays accredited to him. I believe he did, particularly because most plays at the time were published anonymously anyway, so there would be no reason for a pen name, but I did look into the arguments for why people think he didn't. The argument against Shakespeare having written his plays isn't so much "poors can't art" as "poors wouldn't have the education or access to court drama to write the complicated, often political plays attributed to Shakespeare."
Man, I love Loose Canon. Learning interesting things about history, fiction, and film, all while being entertained by a great host. Keep 'em coming!
Vincent Cassel in Elizabeth isnt actually the guy in the portrait at the beginning even though they were both Duke of Anjou at different points. The Anjou in the portrait was Francois Hercule and he wasnt bisexual or a cross dresser but that was probably to boring for the movie so they switched him with his brother, the older Anjou, who historically had never courted Elizabeth.
As a British person, I'm just disappointed Horrible Histories wasn't even mentioned once
12:27 "This guy."
I can't believe Lindsay did not see fit to give Flashheart more than than a 2-word description.
The theme song for "The Tudors" was written by a dude who went to my sister's elementary school. It was a choir school and they also did a lot of work with strings there, hence the intro having AMAZING instrumentation.
No Horrible Histories version?
I was going to ask that too
I doubt a lot of people outside of the UK would know about that show.
I'm in the united states and I used to watch horrible histories in my social studies class. we loved it. it has a fan base outside of the uk
Rainbow Duck
I never watched the series as a child, perhaps found an episode either on UA-cam or tv when I was older, but I do recall reading and re-reading the books when I was young, I loved them and they were in the library. But then, I'm Canadian, so eh.
Oscar The Supreme But now we have Bill so we have a feature length film with her in it from them so...m
Leicester is pronounced as LESSter. Unless you're from Leicester, then it's pronounced as Less-tah
I love that you included Orlando in this video. It's one of my favourite books, and I love Lizzy in the film.
You forgot Thomas Seymour - who was technically her stepfather when she was a preteen - as one of her supposed "schtuppers."
(Haha Sir Not Appearing In This Film)
But of course, Seymour's very likely molestation of Princess Elizabeth has not been portrayed in film. Probably for the best. I don't want to see that.
+Meredith Hagan I did mention him in an earlier cut, but since that is kind of a bummer (and never included in pop culture adaptations) it got cut.
+Chez Lindsay Think maybe you could do one on Peter Pan, Jack the Ripper, or Charlie Brown at some point?
+Chez Lindsay Why didn't you consider Queen Gloriana from The Fairy Queene and Alan Moore's League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics?
+Meredith Hagan I wouldn't call it a relationship. In fact the way it's documented makes it seem like Thomas Seymour was sexually assaulting the young 14/13 year old Elizabeth.
I could never blame Queen Elizabeth for potentially falling for Doctor Tennant... or Blackadder :)
I have a small correction to make. The truism that Henry VIII was blowing through his wives in search of a son only holds true for the first three. Edward was born to Henry's 3rd wife, Jane Seymour. She died a few weeks after the birth of her son, probably due to labor complications. Two years later he married Anne Cleeves, the daughter of a Lutheran German Duke for political reasons. They were not a good fit personally, and when the political situation made the alliance w/ her family unsuitable, and Henry had gone ahead and fallen for someone else, the marriage was dissolved. Henry's 5th wife, Katheryn Howard, actually cheated on him, which is some what understandable considering that she was 19 and he was 49. When her infidelity was discovered, she was executed, like her cousin Anne Boylen, only, you know, Kathryn was actually guilty of infidelty. Henry's last wife, Katherine Parr, outlived him. Fun historical fact: Katherine Parr, upon the death of Henry, took guardianship of Elizabeth, and married the brother of Jane Seymour.
Well said!
Also: Lady Jane Grey wasn't executed as soon as Mary came to power, in fact Mary was quite sympathetic towards her because it was well understood her father had kind of thrust her into that position for his own ends, it was only after she was a part of a conspiracy to depose Mary and replace her with Elizabeth that she was executed several years later
This was an amazing episode. Thank you.
Great episode as always, loving loose cannon. Cheers! :D
12:27 "... and on this guy." WHO WOULDN'T?! ;-p
+zEropoint68 "WOOF"
For serious!
IiiIiiiIiiIit's ME! Hooray!
As an asexual person it always drives me nuts when people assume everyone must be driven towards sex and relationships. Even when we have no evidence to prove Queen Elizabeth had any relationships it's simply assumed she "must have" because apparently there's no other alternative.
She could have been a lesbian. She could have been asexual. She could have simply had a low sex drive and relationships and sex were thus less important to her than her duties as Queen.
I agree, I do love a good romance in books and film but romance in itself doesn’t add much to the plot . There’s so many other relationships and drama that can be shown.
Her historical behavior indicates at least an interest in men, if not actual knowledge of sexual intercourse. She was never rumored to be a lesbian, though that would have been an easy one to throw around and at least four English kings were not just rumored but known to be homosexual, were known about in their time. The political realities of her being a woman on the throne and expected to have a king at her side, doing the actual job, that she preferred to do herself, make it seem more likely she was heterosexual woman who liked power and exercising it. She could have been asexual, of course. She certainly wasn't aromantic or lesbian.
Agreed.
Also there are other contributing reasons, if she was sern to be infertile liked her sister or father, then it could have been a valid reason for a coup to rise up against her like it already had a bunch of times against her other relatives. By being unmarried and not having kids she protected her own reign from rebellion, even if it did not leave an heir or a determined future lineage
@@andreazdral8273 Henry, her father, was far from infertile. Aside from the three legitimate children: Elizabeth, Mary and Edward, there were at least two illegitimate offspring, a daughter by Anne Boleyn's elder sister who had been the king's mistress (SHE didn't hold out for marriage!) and Henry Fitzroy, 1st Duke of Richmond, by Elizabeth Blount (pronounced "Blunt") whom the king was considering as a potential heir and had him married to the daughter of the Duke of Norfolk, the most powerful nobleman in the kingdom and Anne Boleyn's uncle. The Howards had a stronger claim to the throne, being descended legally from the Plantagenets instead of being bastards on both sides like the Tudors.
Margaret Beaufort, mother of Henry the Seventh, was descended from John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster and his fourth wife (formerly mistress) Katharine Swynford. The Beaufort family legitimated by Henry the Fourth, their half-brother, on the condition that they never lay claim to the throne. Margaret was married at age 12 to Edmund Tudor, son of Katherine of Valois--mother of Henry the Sixth by Henry the Fifth--by Owen Tudor (Tyddr) her Welsh butler.
Edmund and his brother Jasper were legitimated on the condition that THEY never lay claim to the throne, by their half-brother, Henry the Sixth. The Duke of Norfolk (see above) and his son (brother in law and best friend of Henry Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond) were both executed by Henry the Eighth because of their better claim--and the NEXT Howard Duke of Norfolk attempted to overthrow Elizabeth the First, who had him executed!
Henry the Eighth's older sister, Margaret Queen of Scotland through her marriage to James the Fourth, was the grandmother of Mary Stuart. The Stuart claim to the English throne was not based so much upon that as their descent from the sister of Edward the Third (Plantagenet) who had married a previous king of Scotland about a century and a half earlier.
Thank you Lindsay, a fun and informative episode :D .
I always thought that Elizabeth R with Glenda Jackson, the BBC series from 1971, was considered the ultimate biopic. Perhaps it wasn’t contemporary enough for this essay as it’s looking at more recent depictions. However, as far as choosing which period of Elizabeth l’st life to look at, Jackson portrayed her entire life in the 9 hour series. The Emmys, Golden Globes flew her way for that performance. She reprised her role the same year in the fairly fictitious film “Mary Queen of Scott’s”. She deserved a third Oscar as supporting actress for her Elizabeth to Redgrave’s nomination as best actress for Mary. I’m surprised neither were briefly touched on. Elizabeth R is required watching whenever they repeat it!
The Dr. Who thing bugs me. If they had had the Doctor run away after insulting the Queen to her face, all would have been well. Instead, they made her still in love with him so they could pull the woman-scorned stuff, which I find distinctly less interesting than a motivation which could more plausibly cause a queen to still be lethally annoyed at someone decades later.
Another quote you should've used from the Brows Held High review of Anonymous, "Her Majesty, Eric Cartman the First!"
Thanks for uploading this Lindsay!
I have found a little mistake - "Shakespeare in Love" was released in 1998, not 2008 :) But still - great work, I enjoyed this episode very much:)
So how do you feel about The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex (1939) or the Elizabeth I miniseries with Helen Mirren?
Yay! We're allowed to comment again! And you posted so quickly. We're gonna get spoiled :P
Elizabeth R is an amazing portrayal from the 70's, where the same actress plays Elizabeth through most of her life- from being a teenager to her death.
Great channel, by the way.
I'm just unreasonably happy that you mention Orlando. I love that book/movie.
If Earls don't poetry, why is it that poors can't art?
The question is who arts? Is it like only a middle class thing?
It's a dumb movie. But then again, there was a lot of illiteracy among peasants before public education became government-funded and compulsory, and there are a lot of references in Shakespeare plays that suggest a familiarity with court. I think Shakespeare was real, but he was more educated than most people who weren't of noble birth, and that does puzzle historians.
In elizabethan England there was actually a well-established higher middle class. Shakespeare was no peasant, his father was a wealthy townsman and even a mayor of Stratford for a while. Shakespeare also made a lot of money as a merchant and even though he had probably never gone on university, a lot of his colleagues, great elizabethan playwrights, did, and they also came mostly from higher middle class. Marlowe, whose autorship is rarely questioned, was a son of shoemaker who get on Cambridge and is considered the second greatest elizabethan playwright after Shakespeare.
How can falcon if not posh?
Yeah, I've watched that Brows Held High episode too. One of my favorites, actually. :D
I kind of want to see her go full demon smoke monster so I'll take you up on that offer... War of the Roses.
Perfect background music - Simply perfect.
Orlando is just a divine film, so glad you included it
Cate Blanchett and Dame Judi Dench may be good as Queen Elizabeth I but they will never be as good as Miranda Richardson in Blackadder II!
Leicester is pronounced 'LESSter' due to reasons. The more you know!
An incredibly underrated gag in this vid is how Lindsay explicitly orders the things she's covering from "most realistic" to "least realistic", and then she puts Anonymous dead last AFTER DOCTOR WHO
Lol'ing so hard right now, been a fan of yours for years and am in the throws of revising for an exam on dear old Bess the first when I come across your video. I'm counting this as revision, then I'll have a break and watch more of your videos!
Shoutout to Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Film
I'm going to go on believing that Queen Elizabeth was a smoldering asexual like myself because history can be whatever we want it to be.
same, just... same
My favourite part about the "He's already married!" bombshell in Elizabeth is the small oversight of the fact that Elizabeth was at his wedding, so it really wasn't news to her.
I would say this is my favourite episode yet- but I'm honestly not sure. The quality of 'Loose Canon' is so consistently high. I did love hearing you talk about 'Anonymous' though! I'm looking forward to the next episode, even though it's still a month away. I suppose I'll just have to rewatch everything for the sixth time. (Not even kidding.)
Can you do King Arthur?
"Hello Joseph Fiennes. I bet you miss 90's Elizabethan period pieces."
OMG. Nobody throws shade like Lindsay.
Fun fact: 3 of the most famous Queen Elizabeth's are all in the film 'Notes on a Scandal' which I highly recommend. Judi Dench, Cate Blanchett and Ann-Marie Duff.
If anyone wishes to see a decent adaptation of Elizabeth's life-story, check out 'Elizabeth R' A British, 70's series. There's some surprisingly good acting, they stick fairly close to actual events, and you do get a brief look on her relationship with Thomas Seymour. There were a number of mini-series made about the Tudor family-another worth watching is 'The shadow of the tower'.
good to have you back, will chez apocalypse return soon?
I'm really surprised (and a bit disappointed) she didn't mention Helen Mirren's Elizabeth I portrayal.
I'm SO glad you did Blackadder. Which is amazing.
This is a great concept for a video series. Understanding how real historical figures are fictionalized to suit a current narrative is a skill that I find lacking in a lot people.
It looks like the clip at 0:25 cut off too quickly when transitioning to the next one. Easy fix, hopefully, if you'd like.
Loved the review anyway. That Henry T. rex roar had me laughing.
Would have really loved to see an episode on Hitler due to all the insane incarnations he's had.
You don't even know how happy I am that you covered Queen Elizabeth I. I am weirdly fascinated with her.
It's so interesting to see you describe these films and think about how the creators had their own opinions and definitely seemed to adore her
I feel like the Glenda Jackson version really needed to be addressed here. It's what many that followed are based on.
I agree! Why bother covering the black adder thing instead of Elizabeth R? It's old but still the best representation of the Queen yet filmed.
Two years late but agreed elizabeth r was the best
True. She even reprises the role in the early 70s Mary Queen of Scots film. But I'm guessing using controversial, bad or even silly versions of Elizabeth in media serve the purpose of her essay better. It would probably be more boring for her to be going, "And here's Dame Glenda Jackson killing it in Elizabeth R. My god she was awesome."
My hope for the next Loose Canon: The Queen of Hearts
My favorite Elizabeth depiction is the miniseries with Helen Mirren. It is really good.
The most historically accurate depiction of her life I've seen is a 1971 BBC miniseries called Elizabeth R, starring Glenda Jackson. It was brilliant, I highly recommend it. The BBC usually does a much better job at sticking to history in their historical biographies than Hollywood.
Not one minute in and I woot. Largely because of Sandshoes and Chinny.
Again late.. But that's Lord Flashheart... WOOF! ;)
Solely because of the "freeze-frame" text preempting a response from GoT pedants, I will say this: YOU ARE AWESOME AND I LOVE YOU!
But seriously, props.
I have a fantasy of sitting in a coffee shop and listening to you expand my understanding of art. :)
Fan-fiction idea: Tom Hardy vs. Transformers
+Jude Quinn Tom Hardy should play a Transformer.
FYI: When you were supposedly showing a picture of the young princesses Elizabeth (i.e., Elizabeth I) and Mary (i.e., Mary I) - just after you showed a picture of Edward - you actually showed a picture of Mary, Queen of Scots, not of Mary I.
Hiah Lindsay
I have recently discovered you on UA-cam. I really want to thank you for providing something that I have been craving for ages! i.e.: I am a "wannabe" writer (of stage, rather than film or TV), and what you provide here with your critiques is amazingly helpful to show about the many aspects of putting together a competent plot.
Thank you - I enjoy your work enormously.
(Greetings from London, btw)
Leicester is pronounced LESTER :-)
Hazzah for Queenie!
I love that you included Blackadder! Thevery best of Rowan Atkinson!, oh and his standup is priceless
Elisabeth was not declared a bastard when her mother was executed as the marriage was not anulled. It was Mary who was legally considered a bastard as her parents' marriage was anulled by the Anglican Church and as such she was born out of wedlock.Actually, Mary has a much harder childhood than Elisabeth.
Elisabeth was considered a bastard who considered Henry's second marriage invalid.