+Jwlz T With weapons drawn too. Not like, "Hey, I'm supposedly a trained soldier in a bright red shirt, let me walk backwards into this cave where I heard a growling sound coming from."
The thing people forget is that Worf wasn't a typical Klingon, he was the ultimate example of the best of what Klingons can be. He had the most idealistic view of what it meant to be a Klingon, and lived up to that standard without fail.
Exactly. Weird that he wasn’t considered a true Klingon because his parents were humans. Same thing for Spock : he was an idealized version of a Vulcan but never considered a true one, because he was part human.
@@BlaneNostalgia didn't Lance mess around with the good king's wife and spark a civil was that led to the collapse of a strong system? Chivalrous indeed
Inadvertently, and ironically, by misunderstanding their culture and ideals, Lt. Yar defused the entire situation. If she hadn't called the bridge, but waited for the Klingon to hand the kid back, Dr. Crusher would have had a busy afternoon.
Some valued their Honour more than others political figures military generals might sacrifice Honour for political gain but the less powerfully you are the closer you are to sto vo kor. then Honour matters alot more
Just like Klingons are supposed to kill themselves rather then get taken prisoner by the enemy, but we see Worf and other Klingons being taken prisoner all the time.
But this is a point Worf often says himself. In the episode where someone tells him his father his still alive, he is outraged at the notion that his father could have allowed himself to be captured. Then later on he allows himself to be captured while looking for him. Why would he be upset at such a thing if he doesn't believe in practicing it himself
Martok explains it in DS9. Suicide is only permissable in captivity when no chance of escape remains. In any case. Klingons when captured will fight and make it impossible to be taken prisoner. Or organize resistance from the prisoner base. To be killed while escaping is death in battle. Especially if your sacrifice allows the others to escape thereby continuing the fight.
Most children would be confused and frightened at an unfamiliar person, let alone a Klingon, taking them hostage. That little girl didn't even blink. Starfleet Tactical material right there, folks.
Starfleet tactical nothin', she's already a top-level Section 31 operative. There were 73 different ways that klingon would have been dead before he hit the ground if he'd tried anything, and that's without weapons.
+World Comics Review Hell, by the time he picked her up she was already deciding how to dispose of the bodies of the security detail and choosing a cover story after she eliminated all witnesses.
One of the great parts of Worf was how he had created an idealized fantasy image of Klingon Honor, Only to have that imaginary dream shattered by his early encounters with actual Klingon culture. How he took that early disillusionment with Klingons and rebuilt into into a more realistic respect for the genuinely admirable aspects of Klingon society, is one the best storytelling arcs of the Star Trek Universe.
I am the son of immigrants to Canada, and I can tell you Worf relates to me on so many levels...except perhaps the physical prowess. It is absolutely amazing how the Star Trek TNG writers managed to embody so much of the pride, anxieties, illusions and subsequent disillusionment, conflict and tensions of so many immigrants coming to a Western country. And the manner in which what comes out of the process becomes a more robust, more complex and resilient character who manages to honour both worlds.
@@szahmad2416 Can I just say thank you for that wonderfully described thought. I've always loved Worf but never quite appreciated how keenly he represents everything you just said!
@@jerodast thank you very much for your kind words. And as a corollary for the people from the 'naturalized' West whom we look up to, please examine Picard again; this time, vis-à-vis his relationship with Worf. I wish I had words to describe it, but it's absolutely beautiful; accommodation without compromising Picard's own principles and standards; a deep appreciation of, and investment in, this culture that so many from his own background would consider brutal and backward; and the incredible ability for Picard to live up to even Klingon standards, as demonstrated in Sins of the Father. And you can imagine how Worf likewise admired him.
I do not agree with this. Your childlike attempts at gaslighting really only serve to embarass you. He may have learned bout the "actual Klingon culture" as you put it... but he NEVER compromised his integrity, HIS honor, his belief, his principles. Not once. Even when Kayhless (or whatever) turned out to be a clone, he chose to tell the Clingon PEOPLE, the regular PEOPLE, the truth. THAT'S integrity. I believe in my heart, but also in my mind, if we took that route long ago, things would be different. Things could be different. There would be turmoil of course, in the beginning, but the LIES, the lies you tell. You are not just dishonorable. You are delued. You are weak. You choose these lying, easy decisions because it is EASY for YOU. Because YOU profit from it. GTFO of my face #gangstalking maggot
I love it when Yar says, "we have a hostage situation" and Korris is like, "huh? what? No. Are you kidding?" Korris may be half-crazy but he's still an honorable Klingon. It never even occurred to him to take a hostage.
Or alternatively, he WAS going to take the girl as a hostage, but then realized that playing the "Klingon Honour" card could get the idealistic Worf on his side. Why else would he pick up the girl in the first place?
I am glad they kept developing Worf for more than 10 years. Worf had an ideolized (archethypical, fantasy) image of klingons. This become very clear when he met his brother Kurn and later make friends with General Martog. Step by step Worf realizes the Klingon Empire is a corrupt and political enviroment where honor is not that important.
Sounds like the U.S. Everything is a veneer of righteousness and being the "good guy", but it's all just total and complete bullshit. I've lived here long enough to realize that.
@@Dorelaxen That is really insightful but so few other Americans realize it. Our country is going to shit day by day but we keep hearing about America is best in the world at everything when that's blatantly not true. It's part of the mass media circus to keep average Americans from realizing their lives could be better if they'd just realize it and demand it. Same deal with the left vs right bullshit. Both parties are awful but keeping us divided and fighting each other means we can never unite against our corrupt govt. fucking us in every hole. It's getting so bad that in every other comment section you'll see some nut blaming it on "conservatards" or "SJWs" or some such buzzword serving to stop critical thought. Our govt. using the mass media has done a wonderful job dividing us and putting countless Americans in a sort of tribal mindset where they can't think critically. They act like everything their party does is great and the other side is full of evil morons. I hope to fuck people start to realize this before it's too late to turn the country around. So many recent events remind me of what happened leading up to the fall of the Roman Empire.
They won't. People won't. Mob mentality rules the day. Owning the other party is all that matters, being RIGHT is all that matters. I mean, ostensibly, the left is a better poison than the right. It'll make you puke, but you'll survive. The right is lethal, designed to destroy all in it's path. It's truly staggering the things humans will convince themselves of so long as they're RIGHT. It's almost a mental disease in some. These fools would stand there while Trump knocks on their door, steals everything they own, kidnaps their children, and slaps them in the face, all the while telling them "It's not me. It's not! It's Obama doing this. It's Hillary. It's Pelosi." And they'd believe him without question. Why? Well, we've always been at war with EastAsia, right? Only the party matters. The Inner Circle and Outer Circle and the Proles. The color blue is a liberal lie, so let's create a new conservative color to replace it, an AMERICAN color. So long as it's not Obama taking from them...so long as it's not a black man, they're fine with it. Own the Libs. BE RIGHT. I read 1984 in grade school, but I honestly never thought I'd live to see it come true. I was raised believing that the Nazi's were the bad guys in WWII (or at least more overtly evil than everyone else involved), but now they are essentially a recognized political party, and march in the streets, and if anyone DARES oppose them, they are labeled terrorists and regressives who want to stifle free speech. Cops blast anyone and everyone to death for looking at them cross-eyed, and are labelled heroes for it (I mean, that toddler WAS making aggressive motions toward that cop with the bazooka). They murder children without consequence. We have literal concentration camps at the border, with our Fuhrer telling us we have to kidnap children. For the good of the nation. I won't live to see it, but I hope, in the far off future (and it will be far, far off, thousands of years if we manage to not destroy ourselves, which is unlikely), that humanity lives to see every nation crumble. Every border erased. Every flag burned, and unite as one. Capitalism erased. Communism erased. Governments erased. And whenever greed and power mongers try to rise, we kick them back down to hell where they belong. Barring that, I'd be perfectly fine with a giant meteor turning Earth into a cosmic memory, because as a whole, we sure as hell deserve it.
People seem to forget that Worf was raised on Earth, he grew up with an idealised vision of what Klingons are like. There's a lot of Klingon culture he didnt understand, later episodes even deal with the fact that worf wont kill the sons of his enemies or join an unjust war, whihc other Klingons found weird
@@seppmaier3424 You can help him (and vice versa) in STO, particularly as a KDF character where your initial storyline (starting with "Bringing Down The House") involves you helping Worf and the House of Martok deal with another Great House using dishonorable and downright treasonous tactics in an effort to destroy the House of Martok for purely bigoted reasons. Worf pretty quickly begins to hold you in high regard. Even early in the story for a KDF character, you run into multiple honorable Klingons, like K'Gan (who starts off as your B'rel's Third Officer and you as the Second Officer, only to become your First Officer once you gain command of the ship) and Ch'Gren (who joins you after you save him from Nausicaan pirates who ambushed him, and out of gratitude for avenging his par'Mach after your treacherous Captain killed her for trying to expose his treachery). Worf even offers you the services of a "former student" of his towards the end of the starting story for KDF players.
Thats part of his story; Worf grows up with Klingon history and beliefs but away from the corrupting influence of the emprie. He's probably the most pure Klingon there is. Its part of what drives their initial dislike of him; he's more of a Klingon than they'll ever be and it pisses them off. Its dramatic irony of the true Klingon being one who wasn't raised in the empire.
On Wrath of Khan, Kirk said to Saavik "Prayer, Mr. Saavik. The Klingons don't take prisoners". But Kruge apparently was obsessed with getting prisoners because he wanted more information about the Genesis "torpedo".
Gustavo Orsi Countries that don't take prisoners take prisoners if it advances their cause. No problem there. I remember in TNG Klingons scream when a fellow Klingon dies. Then in the Undiscovered Country the Klingon Chancellor dies and no one screams. What's difference is time. I remember an episode where a Klingon ship called the Prang was about to attack Federation colonies. The Klingon ambassador mentioned something about, "Klingons of that era." Societies change over time.
Gustavo Orsi Rich X Prisoners are not the same as hostages. But okay you could explain it by evolving culture. (Of course we really know it is because of writer screw ups.)
Denise Crosby isn’t lying. They gave her the most awful plots and dialogue in Season 1. If the phasers on set were real, I wouldn’t have made it past “Code Of Honor.” Kudos to her for quitting.
Everything Worf knows about Klingons are from the memories he had when he was two and what he reads in books. Throughout the series he is perpetually disappointed in what real Klingons behave like. I wonder if children in the TNG era are indoctrinated into thinking Klingons are peaceful - which works until you are face to face.
+gothatway09 Muslim is not a race, it's a religion. many different people from all over the world are Muslims. as they are Christians and Buddhists. it's a bit more of a racial distinction when you get to Jews and Hindus.
jerodast yeah season 1 is awesome! People are very quick to bash the initial run of TNG and it does have a lot in common with The Original Star Trek Of Captain Kirk and Mister Spock 🖖. But I really love the first season of TNG . Apart from anything else it was showing what Gene Roddenberry would’ve done with TOS if he’d had the budget and hardware at his disposal. He kind of showed this on The Motion Picture Series but this was a new tv show so it was pretty good having a fresh Star Trek Show to lay the old jokes about pointy rubber ears and all the other old Star Trek jokes.
At 0:55 that little girl kept staring, unblinking at that Klingon. Showing no fear. Then at 1:06 that Klingon was smiling as he hands the girl to Worf. Like "This girl has a warriors heart."
I love how when Tasha reports the hostage situation to the bridge, she gets no response. I can just picture Picard up there on the bridge thinking "Yeah whatever, let the kid get fried, who cares? She'll probably just grow up to be a red shirt."
Gene Roddenberry tried to portray the TNG Star Fleet as more civil than military. But in no realistic scenario would there be children or civilians on a Star Fleet ship unless they are being transported or rescued.
Civilian or military, there is no justification for allowing children on a ship that gets into dangerous situations so often. If the Enterprise was a ship owned by a private company in the real world today, the company owners would be drowning in lawsuits for constantly endangering kids so often, and probably facing criminal charges as well.
Not sure if it was ever stated canonically, or just as an explanation, but the Galaxy class was supposedly designed for 10 year+ science/exploration missions, able to operate WELL beyond Federation space, which would mean that they'd have to allow families to get enough people willing to be assigned on such a mission. And saucer separation was intended so they leave the civilians behind when they knew they'd be entering dangerous areas or situations. The first idea never came to fruition if it was the true intent for the ship's design, the second didn't get used to it's fullest extent. It was never meant to be a war ship, but got in more trouble than it should, which is why I think it was mentioned at some point (or again, non canonically) that the "experiment" of kids/families on starships was considered a failure, and almost totally done away with by the time the Dominion War started (and outside Enterprise-D and maybe another Galaxy class or two, civilian family members/kids were only allowed in very rare circumstances).
brch2 Gene Roddenberry I think hated the military so he wanted to show the TNG's Starfleet as something else. But the creators of DS9 showed the most realistic Star Trek series ever, as what would happen if diplomacy failed, because not everybody is willing to talk and sometimes you have to dirty your hands to save lives.
Elandil5 One of the reasons I love DS9, and am currently rewatching the last two seasons. So many great morality questions raised, especially about what's right and wrong when hundreds of billions of lives are at stake. I still consider the end of "In the Pale Moonlight" one of the greatest monologues ever. What are the lives of a criminal, a Romulan senator, and 4 of his aides against hundreds of billions of Federation lives, possibly over a trillion lives considering Klingons and Romulans?
Those two klingons are more honorable than most of their species. To think they would rather surrender peacefully than use a conveniently placed child as a hostage. Something beautiful about this.
We have to remember that Worf grew up on Earth idolizing the idea of Klingons without actually knowing them. To add, ST3 had a specific group of Klingons, not necessarily representing the Empire and its culture as a whole.
It's so amazing to me how they proved just because you look scary, doesn't mean you you understand children in a tense situation. To me a kid saw someone who she thought would be as abrasive as Worf, knowing him enough to think Klingons wont harm her, she is a badass character, even if she didn't know it.
Worf was raised by humans in the Federation, growing up he had an idealized idea what Klingons were like versus what they were actually like. Then he meets and befriends many Klingons and builds a truly admirable respect for the Klingon civilization.
I always wonder how many children died on that ship. When the borg carved out a slice of the Enterprise, how many little bodies drifted away with the others? I can see some instances where it's okay to have your family on board. The flagship of the fleet that is constantly be sent to different hot spots around the galaxy and exploring the unknown is not one of them.
To those pointing out all the times in TOS that Klingons took hostages: TNG takes place a CONSIDERABLE amount of time after TOS, and a culture's values can change an awful lot in just a few decades. It could be that in the time gap, some Klingon philosophers managed to successfully argue that taking hostages was cowardly and dishonorable, and this was accepted by Klingon society as agreed for the most part. It could be their interaction with the Federation and seeing their own brand of honor caused them to review their own.
Man of the cloth, if they chose, could take a hostage. It's fight or flight type of thing. Although you make a point, look at the Klingon counsel who willingly let Worf take the dishonour after they discovered (or already knew, but we're looking the other way) and the whole reason that even took place to start with. Also Gowron giving Martok even more impossible tasks on DS9. Not all had honour. And if honour, not the same that humans would perceive as honourable deeds at least.
@tilasole3252 No society, whatever their moral values, is one hundred percent homogenous in adherence to those values. Simply put; there's always a bastard. However, the state of the _general_ adherence of a society to those moral values directly affects how that society reacts to breaking with those values... making deviance from those values much less likely.
@@tilasole3252 This is because, as the bastards, they are the ones likely to be involved in something that would appear on camera. We see plenty of other Klingons as well... even antagonistic ones... who are exactly as honorable as Worf believes them to be.
Piilo Aki They were acting more like Romulans. I wonder if they were shapeshifters or Romulans in disguise? A Klingon without honor would never reach Stovokor.
Thumbs up for that little girl. She was so brave about the whole thing. And Kurros, though he looked for battle in the wrong place, was a true Klingon to the end!
you run out to a corridor where a bunch of people stand and are looking at each other. one of them picks you up for a few seconds, then hands you back to your mother. where's the bravery? (also, yes, he handed the child to worf, who then handed it back to mother. which seemed, and still seems, very weird, bordering on silly, in that scene. and in general, the whole scene is kind of... weirder, sillier, than I remembered it...)
I like how Worf started out as the comms officer & then added security to his job description and never complained about his added job duties or the fact they never gave him a seat to sit in. A true Klingon.
A tense "Who does Worf choose?" situation was ruined by the girl and mother. And instead of going back to the turbolift and going somewhere else, the mother walks past the Klingon that could have taken her daughter hostage.
The klingon actor nailed it. I like how the moment Yar insulted him by saying he had taken a hostage you could see in his eyes he wanted to kill her where she stood. TNG is still the best version of Star Trek.
Always will be. Nothing against the new stuff though. All of it is pretty damn good. But TNG will always be the pinnacle of Star Trek. Enjoy your hot earl grey!
@@theghost8914 Star Trek needs to be made by people that know what they are doing, if the team that made the Expanse were given a Trek series it would be next level.
That child actress is pretty good. Not getting scared by the monstrous makeup or anything (although we don't know how many takes this scene took, or if they had the child sit with the actors during application of Klingon makeup so the child knows who is underneath).
Crosby does as much to carry this scene as anyone. She was sinfully underused during the show's early, awful episodes, which, sadly, had a lot to do with Gene Roddenberry and his set vetting every script. Once he was moved to the margins the show improved greatly - sadly, Crosby had already left the main cast, and I can't blame her.
I thought this was one of the best moments of many in the series, especially since it was from season 1. That one simple line really helped to define some of the Klingon culture.
In the first appearance of Klingons, Kor told Kirk that he had just disintegrated 1,000 Organian hostages. Later in the episode, the Organian head of state reassured Kirk that no one had died. At the time I assumed that to mean that Klingon disruptors had no effect on the ethereal Organians, but after watching this scene, I wonder if it could also be interpreted as Kor bluffing with Kirk, and only having his men fire their disruptors in the air to create the illusion of slain hostages. Klingons may not take hostages, but since humans are famous for it, they would assume others would similarly dishonor themselves.
This statement works on so many levels if you truly follow Worf throughout his whole development. He always held to a slightly romanticized version of Klingons, the rigid black and white book version, because he never lived with them to learn the grey areas. It's a perfect example in this scene, his pride that the warrior race of honor would never sink so low, but nothing is ever so black and white. It's how his character was portrayed forever and why he was held as the paragon of honor, loyalty, duty.
Cowards, are not Klingons. klingon, is more than genetics. Duras for example, had to hide his Cowardice and Treachery. Kruge, is more complicated. he took prisoners, to try and discover the secrets of the Federation's weapon of mass destruction. the difference between a Hostage and a prisoner, is that the prisoner is an enemy combatant captured in warfare, while the "hostage" in this case is a child / civilian. klingons, as we see all the time, have some weird lines they are willing to draw. but then, that's what makes them human. mortal. and not just machines that always perfect in following the rules of their belief.
Those are like a cat falling from a roof with a buttered toast tied to its back. (It will end up hovering above the ground spinning wildly along its axis. ... Which is the fate that awaits a Klingon showing cowardice.)
Fun Fact: The head prothesis worn by Michael Dorn here was stolen after the season wrapped filming so they had to make a new one once the series was picked up. This is why in All Good Things he looks different.
*I wonder if Denise Crosby regrets her choice to leave TNG to go star in B-Movies... passed up a lifetime of royalties pursuing a career that didn't seem to workout for her...*
Life is about taking risks. From the outside, we call that a mistake, but hindsight affords us that judgment. To her, she was doing something that made sense at the time.
I don't know if anyone noticed, but Klingons seemed like they were made to represent Russians because of the Cold War. The first Star Trek clearly demonized Klingons but by the 1980's they become more progressive and showed the Klingons in a more realistic light.
Not really. In the original series Klingon's as a race were more complicated and mysterious. We knew they were militaristic and soldiers but they didn't really get their cliche'd 'honour' fixation until TNG era. Before that even upto Star Trek 6 they were still seen as Soldiers but there were different levels. Gordon the wise emperor or General Chang a kinda Fuedel Japanese Samurai style officer. In fact I'd say that even though they were the main villian of TOS the Klingon's of that era were more chinese/Japanese both in their warrior code which also had room to grow and in how they were also open to philosophy and stuff (Plus the Romulans were much better at sneaking around just like the soviets and the neutral zone can be seen as an alagory of the Birlin wall.) What you see with the Klingon's though, maybe not in TNG but starting towards the end of that show and in DS9 and CERTAINLY in Voyager/Enterprise is the Star Trek habit of races becoming one trait or idea that becomes their whole society with no exception (like the Ferengi and profit). For the Klingon's this meant being boiled down to 'honour' and being warriors and nothing else. Apart from well developed characters like Worf, Martok and Kor (all from the 1 show after TNG with good writers) Klingon's turned into glorified Space Vikings
+Plato Smith Nope it is duley noticed and Romulans were China. However in the TNG Kilngons become more like the Japanese empire only without all the anime BS that now has consumed Japan.
Warf is referring to the idealized Klingon archetype, the heroic warrior of honor, integrity, valor, etc. All of that became corrupted over the years as the Klingon Empire became obsessed with power, deception, and intrigue, like all empires. There are Klingons that have adhered to the code and speak truthfully, but they don't last long against the corrupt forces conspiring against them.
One complaint I have about the TNG is the that with the exception of Worf, the Enterprise seemed to have the least intimidating security force in Starfleet. I'm surprised the Klingons didn't burst out laughing when Tasha shows up with her merry band.
They dont even spread out to cover the hallway or prevent the turbo lift for opening at that deck. amateur hour continues on the Federation "flagship".
This video is odd, Klingons have consistently taken hostages throughout this and every other series of Trek. I think this is just Worf's skewed view of what it "means" to be klingon as opposed to what it's actually "like" to be Klingon. First thoughts that come to mind to dispute this viedos claim is Cmdr Kruge in Trek III and the cleavage sisters in Generations. Also, while I'm nit picking nerd style, why is Worf questioning the security chief? Not much honor in that.
I always had that nit pick too, But maybe your right, That's just Worfs view that only cowards take hostages, So in his eyes Cmdr Kruge would be considered a coward and the rightly named cleavage sisters had no honour anyway as they collaborated with the Romulan's and started a civil war to try and take power, and when lost they left there nephew to be punished, So holding Hostages like they did with Worf and Le Forge is hardly nothing for them to worry about
Worf has been living a too sheltered life, only reading Klingon comic books. OK, kidding aside, he decides to be a good role model for klingonhood and to be an idealist.
Keep in mind that many of the Klingon-Federation encounters may have been kept classified at these specific levels. The Genesis planet incident we know was left highly classified, so Kruge's actions may have been buried. Worf would have no knowledge of these incidents as a cadet reading about it in his Starfleet history courses. So, yes, I agree he would have been left with a romanticized version of Klingon military history.
There's a difference between an hostage and a prisoner. One is an innocent living bargaining chip, the other is an alleged enemy neutralized. Capturing an opposed soldier for interrogation (taking a prisoner) seems more honorable than hiding behind a defenseless child (taking a hostage)
I'll say this for Yar: she knew to send more than two security officers to get things done.
+Jwlz T With weapons drawn too. Not like, "Hey, I'm supposedly a trained soldier in a bright red shirt, let me walk backwards into this cave where I heard a growling sound coming from."
You know, that's a F---ING GOOD POINT!
One that I would *never* have thought of, but you're totally right!
Ya, too bad she had to go to an alternate Timeline to die properly😂
By being ratted on by her own daughter?
or send one vulcan
The thing people forget is that Worf wasn't a typical Klingon, he was the ultimate example of the best of what Klingons can be. He had the most idealistic view of what it meant to be a Klingon, and lived up to that standard without fail.
Exactly. Weird that he wasn’t considered a true Klingon because his parents were humans. Same thing for Spock : he was an idealized version of a Vulcan but never considered a true one, because he was part human.
Worf was written to be the Lancelot of this crew. As close as it gets to a perfect knight.
@@BlaneNostalgia You mean other than the part where he banged the King's wife?
Eeyup.
@@BlaneNostalgia didn't Lance mess around with the good king's wife and spark a civil was that led to the collapse of a strong system?
Chivalrous indeed
That klingon looked so insulted when she said hostage
Inadvertently, and ironically, by misunderstanding their culture and ideals, Lt. Yar defused the entire situation. If she hadn't called the bridge, but waited for the Klingon to hand the kid back, Dr. Crusher would have had a busy afternoon.
Well, how do you react when you're called a coward when you've made no cowardly act?
Some valued their Honour more than others political figures military generals might sacrifice Honour for political gain but the less powerfully you are the closer you are to sto vo kor. then Honour matters alot more
yea b/c she overreacted for no reason, was simply greeting the curious child
That part always stood out to me with this scene.
"I would like to buy a vowel"
"What letter?"
1:47
I laughed too much at that.
@@huftgoldgold1520 Aye.
@@Admiral8Q No, not I.
RLY?
"I would like to buy a consonant."
"What letter?"
"Q."
FLASH OF LIGHT
"You rang?"
"Except for all those times in the past, when we have taken hostages."
Just like Klingons are supposed to kill themselves rather then get taken prisoner by the enemy, but we see Worf and other Klingons being taken prisoner all the time.
TheStapleGunKid Worf I can excuse, being raised by humans and everything. The others really don't get a free pass.
But this is a point Worf often says himself. In the episode where someone tells him his father his still alive, he is outraged at the notion that his father could have allowed himself to be captured. Then later on he allows himself to be captured while looking for him. Why would he be upset at such a thing if he doesn't believe in practicing it himself
Martok explains it in DS9. Suicide is only permissable in captivity when no chance of escape remains. In any case. Klingons when captured will fight and make it impossible to be taken prisoner. Or organize resistance from the prisoner base. To be killed while escaping is death in battle. Especially if your sacrifice allows the others to escape thereby continuing the fight.
it's only dishonorable if he doesn't keep attempting escape until he's successful
Most children would be confused and frightened at an unfamiliar person, let alone a Klingon, taking them hostage. That little girl didn't even blink. Starfleet Tactical material right there, folks.
Charles Urban fight, flight, freeze.
Humans of the 24th Century are exposed to a wide array of alien species.
Starfleet tactical nothin', she's already a top-level Section 31 operative. There were 73 different ways that klingon would have been dead before he hit the ground if he'd tried anything, and that's without weapons.
+World Comics Review Hell, by the time he picked her up she was already deciding how to dispose of the bodies of the security detail and choosing a cover story after she eliminated all witnesses.
Was actually Q checking up on Klingons, studying their behavior.
One of the great parts of Worf was how he had created an idealized fantasy image of Klingon Honor,
Only to have that imaginary dream shattered by his early encounters with actual Klingon culture.
How he took that early disillusionment with Klingons and rebuilt into into a more realistic respect
for the genuinely admirable aspects of Klingon society, is one the best storytelling arcs of the
Star Trek Universe.
I am the son of immigrants to Canada, and I can tell you Worf relates to me on so many levels...except perhaps the physical prowess. It is absolutely amazing how the Star Trek TNG writers managed to embody so much of the pride, anxieties, illusions and subsequent disillusionment, conflict and tensions of so many immigrants coming to a Western country. And the manner in which what comes out of the process becomes a more robust, more complex and resilient character who manages to honour both worlds.
@@szahmad2416 Can I just say thank you for that wonderfully described thought. I've always loved Worf but never quite appreciated how keenly he represents everything you just said!
@@jerodast thank you very much for your kind words. And as a corollary for the people from the 'naturalized' West whom we look up to, please examine Picard again; this time, vis-à-vis his relationship with Worf. I wish I had words to describe it, but it's absolutely beautiful; accommodation without compromising Picard's own principles and standards; a deep appreciation of, and investment in, this culture that so many from his own background would consider brutal and backward; and the incredible ability for Picard to live up to even Klingon standards, as demonstrated in Sins of the Father. And you can imagine how Worf likewise admired him.
@@szahmad2416 Never thought of this that way, what a great analogy!
I do not agree with this. Your childlike attempts at gaslighting really only serve to embarass you.
He may have learned bout the "actual Klingon culture" as you put it... but he NEVER compromised his integrity, HIS honor, his belief, his principles. Not once.
Even when Kayhless (or whatever) turned out to be a clone, he chose to tell the Clingon PEOPLE, the regular PEOPLE, the truth.
THAT'S integrity.
I believe in my heart, but also in my mind, if we took that route long ago, things would be different. Things could be different. There would be turmoil of course, in the beginning, but the LIES, the lies you tell. You are not just dishonorable. You are delued. You are weak. You choose these lying, easy decisions because it is EASY for YOU. Because YOU profit from it. GTFO of my face #gangstalking maggot
I love it when Yar says, "we have a hostage situation" and Korris is like, "huh? what? No. Are you kidding?" Korris may be half-crazy but he's still an honorable Klingon. It never even occurred to him to take a hostage.
Or alternatively, he WAS going to take the girl as a hostage, but then realized that playing the "Klingon Honour" card could get the idealistic Worf on his side. Why else would he pick up the girl in the first place?
@@Stealthwilde True because in the original series the Klingons had no trouble taking hostages.
So, why he pick up the little girl? By curiosity?
I am glad they kept developing Worf for more than 10 years. Worf had an ideolized (archethypical, fantasy) image of klingons. This become very clear when he met his brother Kurn and later make friends with General Martog. Step by step Worf realizes the Klingon Empire is a corrupt and political enviroment where honor is not that important.
Sounds like the U.S. Everything is a veneer of righteousness and being the "good guy", but it's all just total and complete bullshit. I've lived here long enough to realize that.
@@Dorelaxen well, that's just mankind in general.
@@Dorelaxen That is really insightful but so few other Americans realize it. Our country is going to shit day by day but we keep hearing about America is best in the world at everything when that's blatantly not true.
It's part of the mass media circus to keep average Americans from realizing their lives could be better if they'd just realize it and demand it. Same deal with the left vs right bullshit. Both parties are awful but keeping us divided and fighting each other means we can never unite against our corrupt govt. fucking us in every hole. It's getting so bad that in every other comment section you'll see some nut blaming it on "conservatards" or "SJWs" or some such buzzword serving to stop critical thought.
Our govt. using the mass media has done a wonderful job dividing us and putting countless Americans in a sort of tribal mindset where they can't think critically. They act like everything their party does is great and the other side is full of evil morons.
I hope to fuck people start to realize this before it's too late to turn the country around. So many recent events remind me of what happened leading up to the fall of the Roman Empire.
They won't. People won't. Mob mentality rules the day. Owning the other party is all that matters, being RIGHT is all that matters. I mean, ostensibly, the left is a better poison than the right. It'll make you puke, but you'll survive. The right is lethal, designed to destroy all in it's path. It's truly staggering the things humans will convince themselves of so long as they're RIGHT. It's almost a mental disease in some. These fools would stand there while Trump knocks on their door, steals everything they own, kidnaps their children, and slaps them in the face, all the while telling them "It's not me. It's not! It's Obama doing this. It's Hillary. It's Pelosi." And they'd believe him without question. Why? Well, we've always been at war with EastAsia, right? Only the party matters. The Inner Circle and Outer Circle and the Proles. The color blue is a liberal lie, so let's create a new conservative color to replace it, an AMERICAN color. So long as it's not Obama taking from them...so long as it's not a black man, they're fine with it. Own the Libs. BE RIGHT. I read 1984 in grade school, but I honestly never thought I'd live to see it come true. I was raised believing that the Nazi's were the bad guys in WWII (or at least more overtly evil than everyone else involved), but now they are essentially a recognized political party, and march in the streets, and if anyone DARES oppose them, they are labeled terrorists and regressives who want to stifle free speech. Cops blast anyone and everyone to death for looking at them cross-eyed, and are labelled heroes for it (I mean, that toddler WAS making aggressive motions toward that cop with the bazooka). They murder children without consequence. We have literal concentration camps at the border, with our Fuhrer telling us we have to kidnap children. For the good of the nation. I won't live to see it, but I hope, in the far off future (and it will be far, far off, thousands of years if we manage to not destroy ourselves, which is unlikely), that humanity lives to see every nation crumble. Every border erased. Every flag burned, and unite as one. Capitalism erased. Communism erased. Governments erased. And whenever greed and power mongers try to rise, we kick them back down to hell where they belong. Barring that, I'd be perfectly fine with a giant meteor turning Earth into a cosmic memory, because as a whole, we sure as hell deserve it.
@@Dorelaxen c'mon buddy, cheer up. We'll make America great again. Just as soon as we dispose of the liberals.
I'm kidding!
People seem to forget that Worf was raised on Earth, he grew up with an idealised vision of what Klingons are like. There's a lot of Klingon culture he didnt understand, later episodes even deal with the fact that worf wont kill the sons of his enemies or join an unjust war, whihc other Klingons found weird
Probably why he got along with Martok and the Kahless clone so well. Those represented the type of Klingons Worf wished were more in abundance.
There is good and bad in every group
@@seppmaier3424 You can help him (and vice versa) in STO, particularly as a KDF character where your initial storyline (starting with "Bringing Down The House") involves you helping Worf and the House of Martok deal with another Great House using dishonorable and downright treasonous tactics in an effort to destroy the House of Martok for purely bigoted reasons. Worf pretty quickly begins to hold you in high regard.
Even early in the story for a KDF character, you run into multiple honorable Klingons, like K'Gan (who starts off as your B'rel's Third Officer and you as the Second Officer, only to become your First Officer once you gain command of the ship) and Ch'Gren (who joins you after you save him from Nausicaan pirates who ambushed him, and out of gratitude for avenging his par'Mach after your treacherous Captain killed her for trying to expose his treachery). Worf even offers you the services of a "former student" of his towards the end of the starting story for KDF players.
Thats part of his story; Worf grows up with Klingon history and beliefs but away from the corrupting influence of the emprie. He's probably the most pure Klingon there is. Its part of what drives their initial dislike of him; he's more of a Klingon than they'll ever be and it pisses them off. Its dramatic irony of the true Klingon being one who wasn't raised in the empire.
Not idealized. Romanticized. Like how people think of the wild west on modern tomes
Gee, who would have thought having children wandering about on a frontier ship which frequently is used to patrol hostile borders might be a bad idea.
Hey, the humans might still have some overpopulation problems.
Wink wink, nudge nudge.
Ikr.
you can't very well send people out to the outer edges of known space and NOT expect them to fuck.
@@WolfFireheart Nah.
Imagine what the pilgrims went through, eh😏
Also Klingons always tip 20% minimum.
Honor demands it! As Kahless himeself said "Loyal service should be rewarded"
Cheapskates tip just 18%! Klingons do not.
Only saps tip. Only double saps take jobs where they have to rely on tips.
@@jackdubz4247 you said it Mr Pink
*Not in Australia*
The entire plot of Star Trek III was based on Klingons taking hostages.
Those where Klingons of another era. 100 years or so prior to the scene above. Things change.
On Wrath of Khan, Kirk said to Saavik "Prayer, Mr. Saavik. The Klingons don't take prisoners". But Kruge apparently was obsessed with getting prisoners because he wanted more information about the Genesis "torpedo".
Gustavo Orsi
Countries that don't take prisoners take prisoners if it advances their cause. No problem there.
I remember in TNG Klingons scream when a fellow Klingon dies. Then in the Undiscovered Country the Klingon Chancellor dies and no one screams. What's difference is time.
I remember an episode where a Klingon ship called the Prang was about to attack Federation colonies. The Klingon ambassador mentioned something about, "Klingons of that era." Societies change over time.
Gustavo Orsi Rich X Prisoners are not the same as hostages. But okay you could explain it by evolving culture. (Of course we really know it is because of writer screw ups.)
Those were rogue Klingons.
10 Hour cut of Worf looking back and forth between the two groups.
Picard: _Mr. Worf ... Let's not talk about this ever again._
Worf: _Yes, Sir._
Picard. _And by "this" I mean your future promotion._
@@Dowlphin
worf: Ohh???????
Make it so.
Michael Dorn played Worf like no other could have. Amazing actor
You're god dammn right!!!!
Doing a pretty good job in the new Picard series too!
Denise Crosby isn’t lying. They gave her the most awful plots and dialogue in Season 1. If the phasers on set were real, I wouldn’t have made it past “Code Of Honor.” Kudos to her for quitting.
She had a few good moments, but yeah....... Also wow, Zonday is here.
she was so underutilized!!!
Worf was feeling some chocolate pain having to choose between the Klingons and Federation
They should never put a put a little pretty woman like her as chief of security. A muscle woman would have been better. Or better yet, a Klingon.
@@inertiaforce7846 Originally, I believe Marina Sirtis was security chief and Denise Crosby was counselor, but they got switched at the last minute.
Everything Worf knows about Klingons are from the memories he had when he was two and what he reads in books. Throughout the series he is perpetually disappointed in what real Klingons behave like. I wonder if children in the TNG era are indoctrinated into thinking Klingons are peaceful - which works until you are face to face.
Vikings? Pretty sure they're modeled more after the mongols.
+gothatway09 Muslim is not a race, it's a religion. many different people from all over the world are Muslims. as they are Christians and Buddhists. it's a bit more of a racial distinction when you get to Jews and Hindus.
I hope you are not American saying that.
Is there a not faith based religion?
CulCrit The Vulcans have beliefs based on logic, like murdering each other over sex
Ahhhhh, season 1 is...unique.
I like it well enough.
Like a cow patty
The music in this scene sounded like somebody added it later for comedic effect
jerodast yeah season 1 is awesome! People are very quick to bash the initial run of TNG and it does have a lot in common with The Original Star Trek Of Captain Kirk and Mister Spock 🖖. But I really love the first season of TNG . Apart from anything else it was showing what Gene Roddenberry would’ve done with TOS if he’d had the budget and hardware at his disposal. He kind of showed this on The Motion Picture Series but this was a new tv show so it was pretty good having a fresh Star Trek Show to lay the old jokes about pointy rubber ears and all the other old Star Trek jokes.
TNG S1 is basically the exact formula of TOS, but with updated visuals. I enjoy it because of that.
At 0:55 that little girl kept staring, unblinking at that Klingon. Showing no fear. Then at 1:06 that Klingon was smiling as he hands the girl to Worf. Like "This girl has a warriors heart."
I love how when Tasha reports the hostage situation to the bridge, she gets no response. I can just picture Picard up there on the bridge thinking "Yeah whatever, let the kid get fried, who cares? She'll probably just grow up to be a red shirt."
I imagine there was a dramatic swell of music and a camera zoomed in on Picard’s face, then awkwardly zoomed out and everyone got on with their day
Yeah, but we need more cannon fod... I mean, redshirts.
Meanwhile, on the bridge. "Please tell me it's Wesley, please tell me it's Wesley!"
Either this or he was like "Nah. Klingons don't take hostages. Either there is no situation or they are already dead."
@@Jermbot15 😂😂
Amazing acting. I like how he turns his head one way, then the other way, then the first way, and back again. Kudos to the script writer too.
Dramatic head-turning: The hallmark of a classic TV series that had finally gotten its feet under it.
Cuts back from the commercial break and he's still head turning. hahahaha
It's like he's thinking one thing, and then another thing
This is yet another demonstration of why having kids on the ship makes no sense.
Gene Roddenberry tried to portray the TNG Star Fleet as more civil than military. But in no realistic scenario would there be children or civilians on a Star Fleet ship unless they are being transported or rescued.
Civilian or military, there is no justification for allowing children on a ship that gets into dangerous situations so often. If the Enterprise was a ship owned by a private company in the real world today, the company owners would be drowning in lawsuits for constantly endangering kids so often, and probably facing criminal charges as well.
Not sure if it was ever stated canonically, or just as an explanation, but the Galaxy class was supposedly designed for 10 year+ science/exploration missions, able to operate WELL beyond Federation space, which would mean that they'd have to allow families to get enough people willing to be assigned on such a mission. And saucer separation was intended so they leave the civilians behind when they knew they'd be entering dangerous areas or situations. The first idea never came to fruition if it was the true intent for the ship's design, the second didn't get used to it's fullest extent. It was never meant to be a war ship, but got in more trouble than it should, which is why I think it was mentioned at some point (or again, non canonically) that the "experiment" of kids/families on starships was considered a failure, and almost totally done away with by the time the Dominion War started (and outside Enterprise-D and maybe another Galaxy class or two, civilian family members/kids were only allowed in very rare circumstances).
brch2 Gene Roddenberry I think hated the military so he wanted to show the TNG's Starfleet as something else. But the creators of DS9 showed the most realistic Star Trek series ever, as what would happen if diplomacy failed, because not everybody is willing to talk and sometimes you have to dirty your hands to save lives.
Elandil5
One of the reasons I love DS9, and am currently rewatching the last two seasons. So many great morality questions raised, especially about what's right and wrong when hundreds of billions of lives are at stake. I still consider the end of "In the Pale Moonlight" one of the greatest monologues ever. What are the lives of a criminal, a Romulan senator, and 4 of his aides against hundreds of billions of Federation lives, possibly over a trillion lives considering Klingons and Romulans?
Picard one time tells Worf to relax, he responds," I am relaxed!!!" And then Worf says yes sir and departs the bridge. Awesome! Love Worf!!!!
The line was delivered perfectly. The emphasis on "cowards" shows the disgust Klingons have such behavior.
Mom: "Oh, you took my kid... I'll just wait patiently and quietly right here until it's my turn again"
As a woman, in the presence of men, dealing with manly things, she knew her place.
@@jediknightjairinaiki560
Focking wot
Alternative: Mom attacks two Klingons holding her kid while a security detail is facing them with a Klingon officer in-between.
See how calm she was? He must have been the father.
Its a klingon. The fuck else are you gonna do
That's probably the most I've ever felt intimidated by a security crew on a federation starship. Lol
I was worried they might all spontaneously start a dance musical, so I was on edge the whole time.
"Cowards take hostages. Klingons do not."
Except for all the times you take hostages.
If Tasha had lived, I could see the professional relationship between Worf and Tasha as Worf being the soldier, and Tasha being the cop.
Those are true Scottish Klingons.
lmao
hoots
gantmj ??
"Those are true Scottish Klingons"
As in 'no true Scotsman' fallacy?
Being a Klingon is not dependent on one's actions. No matter what a Klingon says or does, they are still a Klingon.
Those two klingons are more honorable than most of their species. To think they would rather surrender peacefully than use a conveniently placed child as a hostage.
Something beautiful about this.
The foley work in this episode was pretty epic IMO. The sound of those Klingon uniforms is dope.
“Cowards take hostages, Klingons do not”
Meanwhile in Star Trek 3...
Klingon cowards are like a cat falling from a roof with a buttered toast tied to its back.
"...these days."
I can assume that it means that the Klingons in Star Trek 3 were cowards.
To be fair, Kruge was basically a coward
Because when he'd ordered his gunner to fire on the Grissom, he'd wanted to take prisoners
We have to remember that Worf grew up on Earth idolizing the idea of Klingons without actually knowing them. To add, ST3 had a specific group of Klingons, not necessarily representing the Empire and its culture as a whole.
It's so amazing to me how they proved just because you look scary, doesn't mean you you understand children in a tense situation. To me a kid saw someone who she thought would be as abrasive as Worf, knowing him enough to think Klingons wont harm her, she is a badass character, even if she didn't know it.
Worf was raised by humans in the Federation, growing up he had an idealized idea what Klingons were like versus what they were actually like. Then he meets and befriends many Klingons and builds a truly admirable respect for the Klingon civilization.
I always wonder how many children died on that ship. When the borg carved out a slice of the Enterprise, how many little bodies drifted away with the others? I can see some instances where it's okay to have your family on board. The flagship of the fleet that is constantly be sent to different hot spots around the galaxy and exploring the unknown is not one of them.
she doesn't realize how she insulted him to his face by thinking they would take a child hostage when they weren't even putting a fight.
To those pointing out all the times in TOS that Klingons took hostages: TNG takes place a CONSIDERABLE amount of time after TOS, and a culture's values can change an awful lot in just a few decades. It could be that in the time gap, some Klingon philosophers managed to successfully argue that taking hostages was cowardly and dishonorable, and this was accepted by Klingon society as agreed for the most part.
It could be their interaction with the Federation and seeing their own brand of honor caused them to review their own.
Man of the cloth, if they chose, could take a hostage. It's fight or flight type of thing. Although you make a point, look at the Klingon counsel who willingly let Worf take the dishonour after they discovered (or already knew, but we're looking the other way) and the whole reason that even took place to start with.
Also Gowron giving Martok even more impossible tasks on DS9. Not all had honour. And if honour, not the same that humans would perceive as honourable deeds at least.
@tilasole3252 No society, whatever their moral values, is one hundred percent homogenous in adherence to those values.
Simply put; there's always a bastard.
However, the state of the _general_ adherence of a society to those moral values directly affects how that society reacts to breaking with those values... making deviance from those values much less likely.
@@GuukanKitsune however what the viewer sees are bastards for the most part, some more than others, other than the exceptions.
@@tilasole3252 This is because, as the bastards, they are the ones likely to be involved in something that would appear on camera.
We see plenty of other Klingons as well... even antagonistic ones... who are exactly as honorable as Worf believes them to be.
I like the look of genuine appallment he gives worf when she has the audacity to say he took a little kid as a hostage. he was like "is she serious?"
I thought we’d have a problem too. It took Worf forever and a day to remember where his loyalties lay.
I swear I learnt more life lessons as a kid from Star Trek than I did in school.
Tell that to Klingon commander Kruge who took Kirk and his crew hostage on the Genesis planet.
Thats why that generations Klingons had such weak... Foreheads...
Piilo Aki They were acting more like Romulans. I wonder if they were shapeshifters or Romulans in disguise? A Klingon without honor would never reach Stovokor.
Piilo Aki You sound like a Ferengi. Honor comes from a Thundering Heart!
+Romulan2469 Kruge was a renegade Klingon though, mostly unconcerned with honor but mostly with his personal ambition
+CRocketSlim i think of him as a deniable asset, the empire swore he wasnt working for them cause he got caught :)
Thumbs up for that little girl. She was so brave about the whole thing. And Kurros, though he looked for battle in the wrong place, was a true Klingon to the end!
you run out to a corridor where a bunch of people stand and are looking at each other.
one of them picks you up for a few seconds, then hands you back to your mother.
where's the bravery?
(also, yes, he handed the child to worf, who then handed it back to mother. which seemed, and still seems, very weird, bordering on silly, in that scene. and in general, the whole scene is kind of... weirder, sillier, than I remembered it...)
If by brave you mean blank.
Kristen Stewart got her acting skills from her.
not brave, more freeze up. But yeah, bad acting skill make this scene ridiculous.
I like how Worf started out as the comms officer & then added security to his job description and never complained about his added job duties or the fact they never gave him a seat to sit in. A true Klingon.
"Cowards take hostages -- Klingons do not."
*Cut to Kruge laughing in Kruge.*
A tense "Who does Worf choose?" situation was ruined by the girl and mother. And instead of going back to the turbolift and going somewhere else, the mother walks past the Klingon that could have taken her daughter hostage.
The klingon actor nailed it. I like how the moment Yar insulted him by saying he had taken a hostage you could see in his eyes he wanted to kill her where she stood. TNG is still the best version of Star Trek.
Always will be. Nothing against the new stuff though. All of it is pretty damn good. But TNG will always be the pinnacle of Star Trek. Enjoy your hot earl grey!
@@theghost8914 Star Trek needs to be made by people that know what they are doing, if the team that made the Expanse were given a Trek series it would be next level.
Worf, being so visibly torn, is positively cute! 🙂
On one hand you have bros who are good with kids, and on the other... a hot blonde!😉
Worf is great because he's always holding Klingons to the highest possible standards.
That child actress is pretty good. Not getting scared by the monstrous makeup or anything (although we don't know how many takes this scene took, or if they had the child sit with the actors during application of Klingon makeup so the child knows who is underneath).
She was pretty brave
Crosby does as much to carry this scene as anyone. She was sinfully underused during the show's early, awful episodes, which, sadly, had a lot to do with Gene Roddenberry and his set vetting every script. Once he was moved to the margins the show improved greatly - sadly, Crosby had already left the main cast, and I can't blame her.
True. And once he died, his meddling ways dropped considerably.
I thought this was one of the best moments of many in the series, especially since it was from season 1. That one simple line really helped to define some of the Klingon culture.
The Klingon after being accused of taking a hostage: “And I took that personally”
The Dark Side of Klingons. Worf resisted it. Most admirable.
In the first appearance of Klingons, Kor told Kirk that he had just disintegrated 1,000 Organian hostages.
Later in the episode, the Organian head of state reassured Kirk that no one had died. At the time I assumed that to mean that Klingon disruptors had no effect on the ethereal Organians, but after watching this scene, I wonder if it could also be interpreted as Kor bluffing with Kirk, and only having his men fire their disruptors in the air to create the illusion of slain hostages.
Klingons may not take hostages, but since humans are famous for it, they would assume others would similarly dishonor themselves.
that's an interesting point. we as a culture assume that if there were real aliens they would act like us because that's how we imagine they would be.
Tasha Yar : "Don't make me draw my hand vac ."
1:46 She conveniently placed blame on the hostage situation, escaped the wrath of Worf for questioning his place
"WHO I AM is not important! That I have *them* is." - Commander Kruge, Star Trek 3
This statement works on so many levels if you truly follow Worf throughout his whole development. He always held to a slightly romanticized version of Klingons, the rigid black and white book version, because he never lived with them to learn the grey areas. It's a perfect example in this scene, his pride that the warrior race of honor would never sink so low, but nothing is ever so black and white. It's how his character was portrayed forever and why he was held as the paragon of honor, loyalty, duty.
i kind of like if you read story about knight
"Klingons don't take hostages" - Worf cut the dialogue abruptly, not mentioning the living shields
"You're not one of these people"
"What do you mean, these people?"
Im just as dude playing a dude pretending to be a dude....and i aint going home empty handed.
I can imagine so many other circumstances where that line would be horrifying
Cowards take hostages, Klingons do not..
Her: Oh?
"Pray, Mr. Savik. Klingons don't take prisoners."
"Exactly, they won't expect us to take hostages because we are Klingon! It is the perfect plan, sir!"
".... you snbvtch I'm in..."
"Cowards take hostages - Klingons do not."
What about coward klingons?
Like Kruge?
@@The_Str4nger kek
Duros totally would.
Cowards, are not Klingons. klingon, is more than genetics. Duras for example, had to hide his Cowardice and Treachery.
Kruge, is more complicated. he took prisoners, to try and discover the secrets of the Federation's weapon of mass destruction. the difference between a Hostage and a prisoner, is that the prisoner is an enemy combatant captured in warfare, while the "hostage" in this case is a child / civilian. klingons, as we see all the time, have some weird lines they are willing to draw.
but then, that's what makes them human. mortal. and not just machines that always perfect in following the rules of their belief.
Those are like a cat falling from a roof with a buttered toast tied to its back.
(It will end up hovering above the ground spinning wildly along its axis. ... Which is the fate that awaits a Klingon showing cowardice.)
I'm just gonna say for anyone not familiar with TNG, as a Public Service Announcement: Don't judge the whole show by Season 1. Heh.
I wonder why they wouldn't let Ro Laren wear her Bajoran earing, but let Worf wear that Klingon sash.
Worf requested permission to wear cultural affectations.
Ro Laren just wore hers without requesting permission from her new posting.
@@dreadlindwyrm This. Ro was rebellious and sharp tongued, she probably read books on the Resistance and thought all Bajorans behaved like that.
That would be Racist.
1:50 “That is not our way,” this needs a good spot in a key peice of dialog in the Mandalorian series. Just putting it out there.
If anything Hamas should know that only cowards take hostages...yours very truly Alfonso Cantu USMC
Jeez. I forgot just how thought provoking TNG storytelling was. Wow this scene alone is unlike anything I've seen in years.
My neck hurts from watching Worf look one way and then the other, over and over.
Fun Fact: The head prothesis worn by Michael Dorn here was stolen after the season wrapped filming so they had to make a new one once the series was picked up. This is why in All Good Things he looks different.
*I wonder if Denise Crosby regrets her choice to leave TNG to go star in B-Movies... passed up a lifetime of royalties pursuing a career that didn't seem to workout for her...*
She did come back for an alternate timeline episode, and then again as her own daughter.
Life is about taking risks. From the outside, we call that a mistake, but hindsight affords us that judgment. To her, she was doing something that made sense at the time.
And now we interrupt this tense moment to bring you...
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Thank u so much for uploading this
One of the coolest moments from next gen.Really made it worth watching. :)
Except for all the times klingons have taken prisoners and hostages.
Greendawn21 Yeah he’s saying their Cowards and Same with Humans...
Yar's great-great-great-great grandmother, who was a nurse, also had a run-in with Dexter. It did not go well.
"Cowards take hostages; Klingons do not." Obviously, Worf has never watched "Star Trek; The Search for Spock" in his free time. 🤣🤣
Legend has it Worf is still there looking back and forth
The Klingons are this really weird feudal kingdom that doesn't take hostages... :P
*) klingdom
I don't know if anyone noticed, but Klingons seemed like they were made to represent Russians because of the Cold War. The first Star Trek clearly demonized Klingons but by the 1980's they become more progressive and showed the Klingons in a more realistic light.
***** Yes, and the Romulans were the Chinese.
Not really. In the original series Klingon's as a race were more complicated and mysterious. We knew they were militaristic and soldiers but they didn't really get their cliche'd 'honour' fixation until TNG era. Before that even upto Star Trek 6 they were still seen as Soldiers but there were different levels. Gordon the wise emperor or General Chang a kinda Fuedel Japanese Samurai style officer. In fact I'd say that even though they were the main villian of TOS the Klingon's of that era were more chinese/Japanese both in their warrior code which also had room to grow and in how they were also open to philosophy and stuff (Plus the Romulans were much better at sneaking around just like the soviets and the neutral zone can be seen as an alagory of the Birlin wall.) What you see with the Klingon's though, maybe not in TNG but starting towards the end of that show and in DS9 and CERTAINLY in Voyager/Enterprise is the Star Trek habit of races becoming one trait or idea that becomes their whole society with no exception (like the Ferengi and profit). For the Klingon's this meant being boiled down to 'honour' and being warriors and nothing else. Apart from well developed characters like Worf, Martok and Kor (all from the 1 show after TNG with good writers) Klingon's turned into glorified Space Vikings
+Callum Armour I read the original Klingons more as the Mongols than the Russians.
+Plato Smith Nope it is duley noticed and Romulans were China. However in the TNG Kilngons become more like the Japanese empire only without all the anime BS that now has consumed Japan.
+Maldus Alver oh god, you just put the weirdest thing in my head.
Klingon anime
I could listen to that a thousand times.
I love that music that starts at 00:55. It reminds me of music from the movie The Hidden (1987).
Warf is referring to the idealized Klingon archetype, the heroic warrior of honor, integrity, valor, etc. All of that became corrupted over the years as the Klingon Empire became obsessed with power, deception, and intrigue, like all empires. There are Klingons that have adhered to the code and speak truthfully, but they don't last long against the corrupt forces conspiring against them.
In other words, Klingons like him.
"Cowards take hostages, Klingons do not"
Every Klingon who's taken hostages prior to TNG: Ummmm.....yeah, that's right......
They were my... guests! Yeah, that's the ticket!
I like how she's so casual about the fact that Worf hesitated about where his loyalties lie.
It was ground breaking to have a Klingon in Starfleet back in the 80s
"Karen calls cops after seeing black man with white stepdaughter in the park"
Lmao
One complaint I have about the TNG is the that with the exception of Worf, the Enterprise seemed to have the least intimidating security force in Starfleet. I'm surprised the Klingons didn't burst out laughing when Tasha shows up with her merry band.
They dont even spread out to cover the hallway or prevent the turbo lift for opening at that deck.
amateur hour continues on the Federation "flagship".
The 2 guys in front are almost beefy.
And then Worf gets beat so often he's literally the namesake of a TV Trope about tough guys getting beat really often.
What a great line....
"Any suggestions, Admiral?"
"Prayer, Lieutenant. The Klingons don't take prisoners."
I like how that little girl didn't even freak out. That girl has a klingons courage or I'm not a true star trek fan
Or maybe she's just a Method actor.
On the minus side, they don't take survivors of their attacks prisoner either
0:05 I love that TV show
Greatest Klingon moment ever.
This video is odd, Klingons have consistently taken hostages throughout this and every other series of Trek. I think this is just Worf's skewed view of what it "means" to be klingon as opposed to what it's actually "like" to be Klingon. First thoughts that come to mind to dispute this viedos claim is Cmdr Kruge in Trek III and the cleavage sisters in Generations. Also, while I'm nit picking nerd style, why is Worf questioning the security chief? Not much honor in that.
I always had that nit pick too, But maybe your right, That's just Worfs view that only cowards take hostages, So in his eyes Cmdr Kruge would be considered a coward and the rightly named cleavage sisters had no honour anyway as they collaborated with the Romulan's and started a civil war to try and take power, and when lost they left there nephew to be punished, So holding Hostages like they did with Worf and Le Forge is hardly nothing for them to worry about
LMAO at Cleavage Sisters.
Worf has been living a too sheltered life, only reading Klingon comic books.
OK, kidding aside, he decides to be a good role model for klingonhood and to be an idealist.
Keep in mind that many of the Klingon-Federation encounters may have been kept classified at these specific levels. The Genesis planet incident we know was left highly classified, so Kruge's actions may have been buried. Worf would have no knowledge of these incidents as a cadet reading about it in his Starfleet history courses. So, yes, I agree he would have been left with a romanticized version of Klingon military history.
There's a difference between an hostage and a prisoner. One is an innocent living bargaining chip, the other is an alleged enemy neutralized. Capturing an opposed soldier for interrogation (taking a prisoner) seems more honorable than hiding behind a defenseless child (taking a hostage)
LT YOR had a ROCKIN BODY.
Yar
bill thompson. She posed for Playboy if memory serves me
Look up 'Red Shoe Diaries' with her and you can see her in bikini (topless too).
That thick dark headed mom is way sexier
What an awesome episode
Worf is my all time favorite star trek character. If Yar had stayed on the show longer I think her and Worf would've hooked up