+Forgotten Weapons The gunsmiths of the Union and Confederate armies must have had a fun time with all the different weapons used. A quick and dirty wiki count came up with almost 100 types of issued or purchased weapons and I am sure the real figure is probably twice that. :-)
This one is unusual in retaining the ejector rod; commonly it is missing as the retaining spring often broke. A special wrench was supplied to unscrew the bbl; again these have usually gone missing over the years and must be rarer than the guns.
I remember when I was kid my dad would let us shoot no.2 pencils out of his revolvers. The hammer would hit the eraser and launch the pencil at a harmless velocity. Fun way to learn gun safety. I only say this because of the name of this gun, I know it doesn’t shoot pencils
Maybe the user who cut barrel threads off actually just stripped the (excess?) thread off, allowing faster take down, instead of shortening the barrel overall?
An interesting revolver by an interesting designer. I wonder how powerful the 'proprietary' .32 was and what its nearest equivalent would be. Seems like this would be a good police gun in its day.
Soooo, the last few videos have been posted when I'm at the gym. So now I'm that guy who has been watching videos for 30 to 60 seconds between sets. It's not weird until I realize I don't have my earbuds and I am listening to Ian over speaker and people start looking.
Great video Ian! I was wondering if you were planning to take a look at the extremely rare World War 2 Class 3 Experimental Thompson as that looks very interesting.
+Brandon Moucheron Remember, the Browning 1900 used a proprietary cartridge too - the 7.65mm Browning, AKA .32 ACP. So did many other guns, and once they became successful other people starting using their ammo in new designs.
I've been looking at the auction list, there are quite a few rare guns in there! Will you take a look at the Walther sheemetal semiauto rifle prototype? Or the Thompson selfloading rifle prototype? Thanks!
Being a thru cylinder fouling isn't an issue you merely run a lubed brush down the barrel and then brush out the cylinder clean thru.... the cylinder going clean thru lets the crap fall out with a quick brushing....I see no reason you can't fully clean it without ever removing the cylinder because you have access to almost everything
i wish there was a video explaining the backdrop in this upcoming RIA video series... oh wait, april fools was yesterday you ever played world of guns btw? i've had it on my wishlist for ages, but havent bothered actually playing the damn thing yet
Guy goes from making the ho-hum normal revolvers to OMG GOT TO HAVE ONE Knucker Duster Revolvers. Clearly, the guy was into creating fads. (Though let us be honest. We all want one...all for personal defense of course.)
Here in the UK he would probably enjoy a good trade,because these days I think a weapon of some sort is essential. I certainly wouldn't travel without one.
+Forgotten Weapons Does "removing the thread" actually mean cutting off the barrel at that point, leaving the mentioned gap? Could it simply mean, that the owner removed/filed down the "excess" threading around the barrel to avoid having to screw it all the way through?
+KingOfChaos213 Yes.. But filing the threads off of that 1/4" portion means there are a lot fewer threads when you have to unscrew the barrel, which would make it faster and easier to remove it.
From 8:00 you mention a book saying someone removed some thread from the barrel. I immediatelly assumed that he only ground off the visible part of the thread, not cut off the whole barrel, so it is faster to screw and unscrew. Could this be the case or did someone really cut the whole barrel shorter?
+Catrik Cutting the barrel shorter would not have made any difference in having to remove the barrel to clean the cylinder area, what was removed was the threaded section of the barrel between the cylinder and the frame.
Thats what I meant. But I dont understand why you would want to cut off the whole threaded section, instead of filing/grounding off only the thread from the visible part of the theaded section. That way it would be just as fast to remove as if tthe section was cut off, but you would still have the whole barrel and no stupid large gap between cylinder and barrel.
Catrik I think we have a miscommunication here, all that was cut off was the visible, exposed section of the threaded barrel between the cylinder and the frame. That was how much room was needed to slide the cylinder forward to remove it from the frame. They wouldn't have removed the barrel and cut off all the threads or there wouldn't be any way to thread the barrel back on.
+shoup2882 Oh, yeah thats right, you dont need to unthread the barrel if you cut the visible thread part.. I understand that but that doesnt just make any sense to me because you would have HUGE cylinder cap and lose most of the gas pressure? Grinding off the visible part of the thread would make it faster to remove the barrel but still keep the barrel in full lenght. For me that makes more sense and was just wondering if that is what they actually meant in the book
Catrik Well I am pretty sure he did it so he wouldn't have to remove the barrel. I imagine it would be quite a chore to ensure the barrel was tightened to the same point every time you screwed it back in plus the fact that is it going to start to loosen over time. I know though that I wouldn't want to fire a pistol with a 1/4 inch gap in front of the cylinder, not only escaping gases to worry about but also lead shavings and burning powder. Would be interested in how much that conversion would change velocity and accuracy.
Any reason you don't have your intro video/music any more, Ian? I quite like it. It's a good length - not too long, but long enough to serve a purpose - and serves well to build up and lead in to the video.
+sergeantbigmac Ah thanks, I didn't realise it'd been that long. I only discovered the videos recently and have been watching them in varying and semi-random sequences. Yeah, I suppose he might have felt it wasn't of the highest quality, but I did feel it gave a nice start to the episode, and the music was good. Maybe a new, higher quality one (at the least in HD) could be done. Or perhaps he's just gone off the idea completely now :)
+TheBloke I thought about it, and concluded that the intro sequence is an unnecessary holdover from television, where you can turn on the set and not know what is playing. With online videos like these, you have to actively clock the play button to see something, and you already know what you will be watching. The extra 10 or 15 seconds of intro at the start of each video seemed like more of an annoyance more than anything else once I thought about it that way, so I stopped using it.
While I certainly hold the opinion that proprietary cartridges are pretty big ‘con’; on the other hand: the fact that you’re required to *remove the THREADED barrel* to do any kinda maintenance besides loading/unloading and firing? That’s a dealbreaker, dog (& would be even if we were talking about a relatively clean, low-fouling modern propellant, tbh).
I'm not complaining, but is there a particular reason to the delay between posting videos on Full30 and on UA-cam? Seems like it takes a few days after Full30 to post to youtube.
Forgotten Weapons Then i'm glad i do watch them on Full30, it's nice to open up my e-mail and see the notification of a new video from Forgotten weapons.
+Forgotten Weapons I will not be watching them at Full30. I keep having problems there with the videos, though minor issues to be fair, and I keep having problems with those that run Full30. Had such great hopes too.
An interesting little gun, but I don't think that I would have bought one, the lack of a common cartridge might be ok for a rich man, but not for a common soul like me.
Where's the rails? Can you even put a red dot and laser sight on there? Where's the tac light go? This is why revolvers are so outdated... doesn't even have adjustable grips or adjustable sights. You can tell it's 100 year old technology! LOL
Rewatching these vids while stuck home -- they are a treasure that keeps on giving!
They're not particularly safe, but I really love the look of sheath triggers (or "spur" triggers, as I see them often referred to).
I keep thinking that's it we have seen everything there is to see about Civil war era guns and then gun Jesus brings up another Forgotten gun
+fastmongrel Oh, there's lots more Civil War stuff I have yet to do. :)
+Forgotten Weapons The gunsmiths of the Union and Confederate armies must have had a fun time with all the different weapons used. A quick and dirty wiki count came up with almost 100 types of issued or purchased weapons and I am sure the real figure is probably twice that. :-)
+fastmongrel Oh boy! Somebody's gonna be triggered by this...
btw. 666
All hail Gun Jesus
This one is unusual in retaining the ejector rod; commonly it is missing as the retaining spring often broke. A special wrench was supplied to unscrew the bbl; again these have usually gone missing over the years and must be rarer than the guns.
I remember when I was kid my dad would let us shoot no.2 pencils out of his revolvers. The hammer would hit the eraser and launch the pencil at a harmless velocity. Fun way to learn gun safety. I only say this because of the name of this gun, I know it doesn’t shoot pencils
What a nice story!
That is a pretty cool idea!
I hope everyone has both eyes!😅 Kidding.
Maybe the user who cut barrel threads off actually just stripped the (excess?) thread off, allowing faster take down, instead of shortening the barrel overall?
i would've just not screwed the barrel back in all the way rather than cutting it.
Rollin White strikes again...
An interesting revolver by an interesting designer. I wonder how powerful the 'proprietary' .32 was and what its nearest equivalent would be. Seems like this would be a good police gun in its day.
The rifling (octygonal bore?) looks kind of interesting on that one.
Soooo, the last few videos have been posted when I'm at the gym. So now I'm that guy who has been watching videos for 30 to 60 seconds between sets. It's not weird until I realize I don't have my earbuds and I am listening to Ian over speaker and people start looking.
+saturdayocean Nobody can be intimidated by gun jesus' voice.
Good video I really like the old revolver Vids.
Was this the first revolver with a top strap groove rear sight? It is the earliest I've seen.
That 1383 looks more like a 1353
I saw it the same way
+wood1155 Nope it's a 5
+John Tran you are right, that is what the auction company lists it as.
Man, i love your videos so much
Thanks Ian
Great video Ian! I was wondering if you were planning to take a look at the extremely rare World War 2 Class 3 Experimental Thompson as that looks very interesting.
+leavingtheworldinawe I will have a video on the T2, but not eh BSA Thompson (time constraints - can't do everything, unfortunately).
No problem! Keep up the great work.
Oh Ian, the T2 was the one I was most interested in too so I'm very excited to see your new video!
He’s not gun Jesus he’s gun captain Morgan lol sweet video captain
I noticed that most of the problem with guns that flopped are the fact that most of them use proprietary/uncommon cartridges.
+Brandon Moucheron Remember, the Browning 1900 used a proprietary cartridge too - the 7.65mm Browning, AKA .32 ACP. So did many other guns, and once they became successful other people starting using their ammo in new designs.
Did the guns fail because the cartridges were uncommon?
Or, are the cartridges uncommon because the guns failed?
@@kevinoliver3083 I was JUST thinking about this comment today! Yea I've changed my mind lmao.
I've been looking at the auction list, there are quite a few rare guns in there!
Will you take a look at the Walther sheemetal semiauto rifle prototype? Or the Thompson selfloading rifle prototype?
Thanks!
+iotaje1 Yes, videos on both of those are coming.
+Forgotten Weapons Can't wait for the Nambu prototype or the miniature machine guns either. Keep up the good work!
Being a thru cylinder fouling isn't an issue you merely run a lubed brush down the barrel and then brush out the cylinder clean thru.... the cylinder going clean thru lets the crap fall out with a quick brushing....I see no reason you can't fully clean it without ever removing the cylinder because you have access to almost everything
You never went over exactly how the ejector rod works, Ian? It doesn't look spring loaded.
+GuyKappe Nope, not spring loaded. Push case out; pull rod forward. Repeat. :)
+Forgotten Weapons I suppose the earlier versions used a high tech device known as a "stick" for cartridge removal.
One of these in .22LR would be interesting.
wow that's a pretty big flaw I'd say!
i wish there was a video explaining the backdrop in this upcoming RIA video series... oh wait, april fools was yesterday
you ever played world of guns btw? i've had it on my wishlist for ages, but havent bothered actually playing the damn thing yet
It would have been so easy to use an interrupted thread on the barrel for quick removal.
Guy goes from making the ho-hum normal revolvers to OMG GOT TO HAVE ONE Knucker Duster Revolvers. Clearly, the guy was into creating fads. (Though let us be honest. We all want one...all for personal defense of course.)
Here in the UK he would probably enjoy a good trade,because these days I think a weapon of some sort is essential. I certainly wouldn't travel without one.
How do you patent something that other people clearly had before you? That would be an interesting story for another time I suspect.
Rifling grooves seemed very deep, is there a possibility that is what was meant when advertising how long you could go without fouling?
You can go a long way if you don't make to much noise
:-) The squeeky mouse gets the boot, as the silent bat sits and watches...
+Carsten Langbo Speak softly and carry a big stick?
+Willy Bee the nail that sticks up gets hammered down.
This was very interesting.:D
If only Reid had put as much effort into designing his guns as he did onto avoiding prosecution for making them.
+Forgotten Weapons Does "removing the thread" actually mean cutting off the barrel at that point, leaving the mentioned gap? Could it simply mean, that the owner removed/filed down the "excess" threading around the barrel to avoid having to screw it all the way through?
KingOfChaos213
Ah true, good point. I didn't even think about that, although Ian said it clearly. D'oh.
+KingOfChaos213 Yes.. But filing the threads off of that 1/4" portion means there are a lot fewer threads when you have to unscrew the barrel, which would make it faster and easier to remove it.
KingOfChaos213 True
From 8:00 you mention a book saying someone removed some thread from the barrel. I immediatelly assumed that he only ground off the visible part of the thread, not cut off the whole barrel, so it is faster to screw and unscrew. Could this be the case or did someone really cut the whole barrel shorter?
+Catrik Cutting the barrel shorter would not have made any difference in having to remove the barrel to clean the cylinder area, what was removed was the threaded section of the barrel between the cylinder and the frame.
Thats what I meant. But I dont understand why you would want to cut off the whole threaded section, instead of filing/grounding off only the thread from the visible part of the theaded section. That way it would be just as fast to remove as if tthe section was cut off, but you would still have the whole barrel and no stupid large gap between cylinder and barrel.
Catrik I think we have a miscommunication here, all that was cut off was the visible, exposed section of the threaded barrel between the cylinder and the frame. That was how much room was needed to slide the cylinder forward to remove it from the frame. They wouldn't have removed the barrel and cut off all the threads or there wouldn't be any way to thread the barrel back on.
+shoup2882 Oh, yeah thats right, you dont need to unthread the barrel if you cut the visible thread part.. I understand that but that doesnt just make any sense to me because you would have HUGE cylinder cap and lose most of the gas pressure? Grinding off the visible part of the thread would make it faster to remove the barrel but still keep the barrel in full lenght. For me that makes more sense and was just wondering if that is what they actually meant in the book
Catrik Well I am pretty sure he did it so he wouldn't have to remove the barrel. I imagine it would be quite a chore to ensure the barrel was tightened to the same point every time you screwed it back in plus the fact that is it going to start to loosen over time. I know though that I wouldn't want to fire a pistol with a 1/4 inch gap in front of the cylinder, not only escaping gases to worry about but also lead shavings and burning powder. Would be interested in how much that conversion would change velocity and accuracy.
Why are there no larger rimfire cartridges made today?
pressure limits of a rimfire casing. center fire cartridges are enclosed completely within the cylinder.
Can someone reccomend a good percussion rifle (pre 1870 and single barreled)
Springfield 1862 musket
Any reason you don't have your intro video/music any more, Ian? I quite like it. It's a good length - not too long, but long enough to serve a purpose - and serves well to build up and lead in to the video.
+TheBloke He hasnt had it in his videos for a while, but I agree It gave it that old school documentary vibe.
+sergeantbigmac Ah thanks, I didn't realise it'd been that long. I only discovered the videos recently and have been watching them in varying and semi-random sequences. Yeah, I suppose he might have felt it wasn't of the highest quality, but I did feel it gave a nice start to the episode, and the music was good. Maybe a new, higher quality one (at the least in HD) could be done. Or perhaps he's just gone off the idea completely now :)
+TheBloke I thought about it, and concluded that the intro sequence is an unnecessary holdover from television, where you can turn on the set and not know what is playing. With online videos like these, you have to actively clock the play button to see something, and you already know what you will be watching. The extra 10 or 15 seconds of intro at the start of each video seemed like more of an annoyance more than anything else once I thought about it that way, so I stopped using it.
This got Schofield Silhouette.
8:00 He failed trying to do what the Starr succeeded at.
He didn't mention it has no rear sight!
+xXxBlackwaterXxX The rear sight is a cut down the whole top strap.
Surely .32 caliber is totally unsuited to military use? Is his propriety .32 more powerful or more suitable for military use.
as late as wwii, us generals were issued .32 pistols.
While I certainly hold the opinion that proprietary cartridges are pretty big ‘con’; on the other hand: the fact that you’re required to *remove the THREADED barrel* to do any kinda maintenance besides loading/unloading and firing? That’s a dealbreaker, dog (& would be even if we were talking about a relatively clean, low-fouling modern propellant, tbh).
looks like a modfied smith and wesson model 2
I'm not complaining, but is there a particular reason to the delay between posting videos on Full30 and on UA-cam? Seems like it takes a few days after Full30 to post to youtube.
+ArthurAlcantara I deliberately post videos on Full30 two days earlier than UA-cam, because I would rather have people watch on Full30.
+Richard Birkenwald youtube has been on an anti-gun rant lately.
Forgotten Weapons Then i'm glad i do watch them on Full30, it's nice to open up my e-mail and see the notification of a new video from Forgotten weapons.
+JinzoDefiler
Exactly. Its to drive traffic to that other site. I like the concept of a gun dedicated site, but I dont really like Full30s format...
+Forgotten Weapons I will not be watching them at Full30. I keep having problems there with the videos, though minor issues to be fair, and I keep having problems with those that run Full30. Had such great hopes too.
Are those police sirens I hear, or did you shoot somebody?
Well .... i subscribed to Full30 wich is not so anti-gun as UA-cam, outre contrair mon amis..
I will never be first, I watch the video first
3:26 Watch out, the filth have found out about the patent infringement!
An interesting little gun, but I don't think that I would have bought one, the lack of a common cartridge might be ok for a rich man, but not for a common soul like me.
looks like 1353
fiddy cent
Where's the rails? Can you even put a red dot and laser sight on there? Where's the tac light go? This is why revolvers are so outdated... doesn't even have adjustable grips or adjustable sights. You can tell it's 100 year old technology! LOL
Good one man!
Should have used a fake European name maybe something Polish.
first