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UNBOXING Electric TORO Power Max® e24 60V* Two-Stage SnowBlower
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2023
- UNBOXING Electric TORO Power Max® e24 60V* Two-Stage SnowBlower
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Come back next week to see this snowblower blow snow!
Looking forward to seeing it in action, thanks Don!
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I guess it's great if it fits your small application...at least until it needs new batteries, currently at $600 US for two. I'll keep using the Toro I bought in 1993.
Toro makes great quality snowblowers. I will wait for your next video with a real world test. My only reservation on battery equipment is when a storm hits you are likely to lose power to your home. Having lost power for 10 days after a hurricane I was glad to have a gasoline chainsaw. It worked great to remove some of the limbs that came down. Another great video 👍👍👍👍👍
😂😂😂😆😆😆Just a brand, somebody else builds them
just looked up replacement battery cost it’s $569 at home depot . that’s insane
wow a bit pricey!
@@donyboy73 unless the battery costs come WAY down on all of the bigger outdoor equipment, people will never buy it nor would they be financially or environmentally good products. I believe EGO. Ares a zero turn mower, it’s about $5,000 in the US and takes 4 batteries. The replacement costs for the batteries is $500 each. A zero turn gas mower will only need routine maintenance in 5 years, a battery machine will need new batteries. Who wants to buy $2k in batteries 5 years after paying $5k for the machine. A little grease and some oil changes are a lot cheaper than buying replacement batteries
I just Googled prices. High=$450 to low $290m on eBay. These are US $. Also - when comparing battery costs note the Toro 60v flex-force batteries come in different amp hour ratings: 6Ah, 7.5Ah and 10Ah.
@@donyboy73 hello Donyboy73
cheaper to install a gas engine on it
Excellent! There is no one more qualified do these reviews! ! Thank you Dony! I'm definitely keeping my Notification Bell turned: ON! 😀
Looking forward to seeing how well it does in the snow, thanks for the video. 👍
For what it is worth, I have a Toro battery powered 25" hedge trimmer. It's 10 years old; I believe it's an early model. I use it regularly and have had no issues at all. I am still using the same batteries I got when I purchased the trimmer; no issues at all. They hold a charge and work well. The unit is well made and I have to say I am more than impressed with its performance. Toro seems to have nailed manufacturing high quality battery powered products.
i will be testing the new 28 inch EGO 2 stage later this month...I did an initial testing on the 24 inch EGO and they actually used my idea to take off all wheel drive and be able to use single wheel drive so it was easier to turn at bottom of driveway....the EGO is 90% plastic but I haven't had any problems with with breakdowns of materials or anything like that with mowers, weed whackers or hedge trimmers or chainsaws...this Toro looks nice and will be an easy transition for any gas user out there....I still like my Ariens 26 inch machine though for snow but my electrics for everything else are great and into the future or lawn and outdoor tools...great video Don
Thank you very much, this was the video I was waiting for to buy my new snowblower.🇨🇦
Before you buy, look at some of the comments here on this video of the cost of the batteries. They are pricey.
Progress is good. But my resistance is the "Apple-nization" of products, lack of repairability. To point of forcing us to buy new units and throwing out the old but good condition units, due to the cost of repair vs buying new. Thank you for your videos, it helped me a lot.
Had been fun to Have a look inside the transmission when you flip it up on bucket and remove the cover
Thanks for the vid, my blower is from the 90s and tired. Love to go electric if it can handle the snow.
Looking forward to see it perform.
It has plenty of power, these work well once you set realistic expectations for how much work you can get done on a charge.
Thanks for sharing! I have a 1997 power shift toro 24” works great , add a linear actuator for my deflector on chute ! Now think of adding a window motor to turn my chute right and left instead of buying a new snow blow ! I like that should be quieter ! Just the price of the batteries to replace is my biggest concern!
Toro is making quality products and it's no surprise that they built a quality electric unit. As always, but only from a real dealer not a big box so that your unit is assembled and adjusted properly.
What that last guy said, absolutely.God Bless you and your family.
And great presentation, as usual !!
A very nice and well built machine. Good job Toro.
Thank you for sharing!
Great video I think I will keep my gas blower going. I have a few of them plus I own a big tractor with a blower on it. I think I feel much better with that.
Cool tech . My sons a carpenter and has a big compound saw on sites that don’t have power . Same 2 - 60 amp batteries with the power cord option. My concern is customers bringing the batteries in before and after use . I’ll be very interested to see your video using it after a big storm .
I like the way u describe ur videos. Keep ‘em coming.
Sounds like a steam locomotive. Good one. Awaiting videos on maintainence and after service. Good one
lol!
As much as I dislike most reviews, or the way they are done. I just had to watch yours. Trust you knowing about the machines you work with. I'll be back to some snow fly. Matter of fact I'm waiting to see my first snow to use my EGO 24".
Can’t wait to see it in action!!
I love how they just took a regular snow blower and installed a backaged electric drive train on it!
Hope this new machine works out, thanx Dony Boy!
Too bad you didn't get this machine a couple weeks ago when you guys got that big snow storm. Would have been great to see how this blower preformed. Great video and thanks for posting.
that would have been a good test!
Thank you for the review, very intriguing. I'll take that old Ariens off your hands. LoL 👍
Can’t wait to see it in action
I live in Buffalo, NY - we have a crazy relationship with snow in these parts. We got about 3 inches of wet slush this morning and the E24 unfortunately kept jamming up. Snow/slush would build up in the throwing chute and I'd have to clean it up manually every few minutes. Had to resort to a shovel. Quite the disappointment.
Most snowblowers including gas ones do poorly in this type of snow.
Hey Donny, great review!
The only thing is battery life in cold weather they tend to run put quite quickly the neighbor has one and it doesn't like wet snow
Hi from mid southern Ontario Donny. Ive owned the smaller single stage version Toro for 3 winters now. Other than the over priced plastic scraper blade, it has been completely fault free. I'd like to get the new 2 stage for the occasional snowmageden.
Nice machine ! eventually we would expect Toro to come up with direct drive e snowblowers, no belts , that would be even nicer. 1 motor replacing the transmission inside the case and 1 motor mounted directly behind the auger tub
Awesome donyboy!!. All my kids purchased everything electric for their yard. I said "get gas" it's more powerful. Guess I'll have to get away from the old school thinking.
There have been a lot of cordless tool battery and Electric Vehicle battery fires over the last year. My brother in law's 11,000 square foot shop Woodie restoration shop was burned down by a fire that the fire department and insurance company said was started by a Li tool battery after an investigation. Toro recommends keeping the battery in the house. That doesn't seem like such a good idea to me, but since they don't like being frozen or being left in the sun, at least don't leave it on the charger after it's charged. Same for cordless tool batteries. If they have an internal short fault they can get very very hot almost instantly.
Just wondering, would it be more efficient to have a motor for the auger and another one for the drivetrain ?
Good video Don, it is the future but i will stick to my Ariens . My brother bought an electric lawn mower and by the time he was done had spent $1000.00. I bought my Honda gas lawn mower on sale, brand new for $400.00 and i know it will last 30 years. Toro looks like a nice machine though.
The deck won't.
And your brother will probably be spending more money on batteries in a few years. I think you made a smart choice with your honda gas mower.
Last winter my old Troybilt snowblower quit on me after a very heavy snow. I have an Toro dealer near me that delivers but they had no snowblowers in stock. There was a 24" Toro gas snowblower on the way to them, so I paid for it and had it delivered when it showed up. Other than using it a few times on pretty light snowfalls, it has just sat in the garage. I wish that I had waited now, but you never know with the weather. It has worked fine, but I wish that I had bought one of these electrics.
Did you buy the Toro for yourself, or putting together for a customer? I also have to wonder if over charging during off season, or waiting days, or weeks between snow falls?
Thanks for the video Don.
Don, from Milwaukee, Wisconsin USA
What about blowing snow getting into the battery compartment? It doesn't look like it's very well sealed from water!
Thanks for the demo but I’ll stick to a gas machine for now ,,,electric cars loose 30%. Efficiency in really cold climates having to carry batteries in the house to keep them warm. & charging. They should work on developing a hybrid blower
Range in a car is lost from cold cells and needing to generate heat, quite a different scenario.
For snowblowers you put room temperature cells to work immediately in the cold so they don't ever get too cold and lose efficiency if used correctly.
Considering my experience with other battery yard tools I think the only way this is the future is if you have a particularly small about of work to do.
BRING ON THE SNOW.
Nice. Charger for each battery.
i think i will stay with my gas one for a long time
Quick question, are the batteries each a 60 volt supply or are they 20 volts wired in series creating the 60 volts, or does it only run on 20 volts wired in parallel, curious about the third battery slot…with that said if it’s the latter the set up you have right now would only be 20 or 40 volts..
I'm glad to see that Australia mines the most lithium for these batteries . Don't know if you will retrain to learn to work on electric engines or just do the typical maintenance that you already do on the other parts. Looks to me like you will have to learn electric motors or fall behind though.
Very good review.
Do you know what is the motor wattage consumption at full speed ?
Dependant on load
I was skeptical about battery rachets and impacts, but they have almost replaced air tools.
The EGO 2 stage battery version doesn't have as a good a name as the Toro but they sure are a lot easier to put together.
Does Cub Cadet 3X 28" have a way to convert to electric motor?????
Hi, Don, will that thing out do that Ariens beast you showed on that past video with 18 inches of snow? Thats what I want to see. Also does that Snowblower have a differential? Or as Toro calls it triggerless steering..
no differential on this machine
Toro really did a good job with that. I think once the drive belt wears in, that slapping noise will go away. Do Lithium Ion batteries still pose a fire hazzard?
yes Lithium batteries should be treated with care, never charge them unattended
You may want to double check something. Looking at other videos of your model I can't hear that clunky sound that's coming from yours when you turned it to run position.
I'm sorry to say but when those batteries don't charge anymore. Well you'll have a big like drill that you'll have to throw out as I'm sure the batteries will be just as much as the machine. This battery stuff is ridiculous. Eventually it will come full circle to where fuel driven snow blowers will come back. Really tired of everything going battery. Love you vid's and instructions. Your top Self 👏👏👏👏👍✌️🙃
Nice tech, Only thing I do not like is the plastic battery cover.
Will be interested if they come out with other equipment that runs on the same batteries, lawnmower, chainsaws and others
They have a whole line. I've been using one of their lawnmowers for a couple years now - it is fantastic. This snowblower has been on my list - waiting to see how it performs.
Don, have you heard what sort of technical manuals and wiring schematics will be available on the electric snowblowers?
no i haven't
Don thanks for this video. I'm not sure if you bought this for your personal use or not but I'd love a real-world test and maybe a "one year later" type video to let us know how well the machine has held up. How long does the battery last on a charge in our Ontario winters? How does it do in heavy snow/the windrow at the end of the driveway? How long to charge the batteries? How long do they hold a charge between uses? I'm in the market for a new blower and am on the fence about getting a battery operated one as compared toa tried and true gas engine. Thank you as always for the content!
it was only lent to me to make the video, come back next week to see it blow snow!
Wow slipping in about the window at the end of the driveway is great completely gave yourself away ty (I've never seen so many adults act so stupid and think that people don't know what they're talking about when most of the comments are over-the-top not normal talking about things that have no relevance I'm in the comments talkin about where people are located like the window at the end of the driveway when has no relevance to being what it said at all nice try to cover up but No Bueno.
Do you think putting a switch on the light would help extend the battery time before it runs down.
Don't need the light on in a lot of cases
I was thinking the same thing!
@@donyboy73 kinda like an electronic car. Keep the heater off in winter and the AC in summer. Also radio and any other accessories that uses electricity. Could increase your mileage quite a bit over time. 😆
Can you replace the gas motor with this electric on other Toro blowers?
If there's a will there's a way but I wouldn't suggest it
what would be the life expectancy of the battery???
What the cost of the replacement batteries ?
Just need another good dumping of snow to show us. I'm assuming it is probably a good idea charging the batteries once a month in the off-season so they don't go bad? Something like a battery tender.
just charge them on the included charger once a month maybe in the off season
It is a nice looking unit, but I refuse to give into the electric hype nonsense!!! I'll always use my gas equipment. When I order parts for my trimmer, bp blower, push mower, tractor and snow blower I order several extra. I'm a old school fella and I really don't like change. So for me, has it is. On the other hand, it was a great video as always.
I think at some point we will be forced into it!
Just about battery prices n longevity, will maintain my olds Tecumseh' forever !!!
What are the assembled dimensions?
I'd like to see the gearbox, is it really the same disk, etc. as a gas blower? I guess that's why the motor is always running when on. Having the switch on the handlebars would be a lot nicer, surprised they didn't do that. That rattling idler/tension pulley bracket would be really annoying, seems like it should be either thicker metal, or maybe the bolt that it swivels on is looser than it should be?
While it would definitely add to the cost, I'd much prefer separate motor for the drive wheels so no need to run main motor all the time as well.
What did this run you in Canada?
Exactly the same as gas model. Which I prefer because it's proven to be reliable.
Wow! That's a super nice machine! Some bearings here and there would be nice for quieter operation. Thanks Dony.
Probably knocking at first because the belt was stiffened in the serpentine shape.
I wonder how much those batteries will cost to replace when they wear out. It is definitely a nice looking machine. It's just that I'm addicted to hydrocarbons. Dony, you are awesome and Toro should be compensating you somehow for making such an excellent video.
This machine will help you get over your addiction to hydro-carbons!
@@donyboy73 And add more nuclear waste that will be around for tens of thousands of years.
Better than a Honda hss1332atd Snowblower?
not yet lol
I'd love to see inside the belly pan to see the drive. I imagine it's much the same as a gas powered.
Its exactly the same. 24inch doesn't have a differential, 26" does.
I want to see a follow up video after that snow blower has been used for a year. Make a believer out of me.
5 years
Any questions? I've had one of these for over a year now.
Good unboxing and first impression video. This type of snowblower will dominate the market over the next 5 to 10 years, simply because the average suburban consumer is I’ll equipped to maintain an internal combustion engine. Season 1 they are fine. Season 2 they are running it on choke. Season 3 they are bringing it to you (which is probably a good thing because they in addition to dealing with the fuel and fouled plug issue, they probably have not changed the oil or lubed anything.) However, I predict that the more rural user with a long driveway - who needs a couple hours of run time for a deeper snow - will need a good quality gas machine for the foreseeable future. That clunking sound bothers me, but it could be belt memory that will go away when it gets hot. And I think that control panel might be better placed on the operating console. But otherwise, it looks like a nice machine. Are those ball bearings on the auger shaft?
Does it reall make an engine sound effect?
not yet!
Is it possible to turn off the lights?
Being able to plug the machine in and have it charge the batteries would be nice so one doesn’t have to move the batteries out to charge. I just think if the idea of the electric is to make things easier, charging built in might be nice. Though I get it would add weight that would be a waste when actually operating it.
They wont advise you to leave the batteries in the cold. It's a "charge inside and use outside" affair.
As with the auto industry the cost of Li-Ion batteries continue to soar. The problem with any EV or large outdoor power equipment is not usually the propulsion system or the power pkg but it is the batteries. Range, recharge time and battery degradation along with reduced operating times due to extreme cold will continue to plague battery operated devices. The larger the driveway/property you have the more batteries you will need. Heavy, wet snow is a battery devouring pain in the butt. These things will do the job nicely if you have the necessary battery quantities or can wait for the batteries to recharge. Once a new battery technology is developed this could be our future but until then as people learn their true limitations not so much. I will wait patiently for that day and in the meantime keep my trusty ICE powered unit that takes just a minute to refuel. I can’t count now how many rechargeable batteries and their different chargers I have currently. Soon I will need a shed just for chargers and batteries!
Don’t forget the cost as an issue. Replacement batteries will make these types of outdoor power equipment extremely expensive. The machines are $1800 or so in the US. If you need to buy $1,000 worth of replacement batteries after 4 or 5 years, that’s insane. Also no commercial users could use electric because there hours of use each day are far beyond when batteries can handle.
what is the cost of this snow blower??
I'm assuming you would recommend this Toro over a 2-stage EGO. Right?
I have one and recommend them.
That looked like it’s built better than most blowers today, even my 21 year old craftsman. Hopefully mine will last a few more years before I go electric. My buddy got one this season and has been able to do 4 50 foot driveways with power to spare and tosses snow better than his old gas blower
A rattle trap with a cheap.plastic lid over the batteries? What video did you watch? Have you used it even once?
@@videodistro I’ve not used one but didn’t think it was making that much noise compared to my gas powered blower, and I’ve been surprised over the year at how well some of that cheap plastic holds up, my chute is plastic and it’s 15 years old, yes I had to replace it once but it was broken in the garage not via use. Time will tell, I’m not buying the first generation of these I’ll wait a few more year.
a test would have been nice
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As with any Lithium Ion battery running to Zero charge will shorten the lifespan of the cells. Would like to know how much run time is achieved @ 50% drain. Fifty percent is where I swap out my battery tools to be recharged. As well, the blower needs an on/off (l/0) switch for headlamp and a more robust main battery compartment lid..a metal lid fitted with a lock/ unlock latch would be better. I'm sure as time goes on improvements will be made as real world use will demand. Thanks for sharing the unboxing of your battery electric snowblower. Best to you and yours.
Don't these power tool batteries typically have a built in BMS that automatically powers them off when they reach a certain level? So when the console reads 0 power left or whatever the battery in reality is just discharged to the low threshold not 0 volts. Typically with lithium cells you want to discharge them to the low threshold point for maxlife.
@@luuk-out-below9804 The sweet spot for longevity is 30% to 80% discharge. I prefer to stay @ 50% . Taking it down further shortens the life span. The low charge shutdown protection is to allow the lowest charge the battery charger will accept to begin recharging. If left at this low point for too many months the battery will further drain to the point that the battery charger will not initiate a new charge cycle. The high charge shutdown is to prevent overcharging to the point of battery explosion or fire. Old NiCad batteries had a memory that had to be reset by draining.. Not the case with Lithium Ion batteries. No battery of any type tolerates draining to the point it won't power the device it is attached to. Search ' draining lithium batteries' on your preferred search engine for the total education. Thanks for the reply.. All the best to you and yours. 👍
@@RaysLaughsAndLyrics The sweet spot for me is 20% . I am pretty sure the bms shutdown on these is just slightly below that. Also from my experience with lipos is they do have a memory of sorts as far as capacity and function longer with higher capacity if you take them to the 20% level monthly and store them at 80% when not using like off season. I typically just charge mine to 95% as well. But this is on a custom programable bms. These power tools it's all automatic as far as the full charge and discharge and hopefully toro has done their best to manage the bms for optimal life.
@@luuk-out-below9804 Thanks for sharing.. Got To go with works for you.
@@RaysLaughsAndLyrics absolutely. Just to be clear the 20% and 80% is derived from the 'working' or useable voltage of the cells not the total cell voltage.
What is the projected battery time per session ?
Extremely dependent on snow depth and weight. Eco mode helps a lot in getting the most work done on a charge. I would estimate 10-20 minutes per 6AH battery.
@@WatsitTooyah Thank you
Hi Don. How long did it take to charge the batteries?
Using the chargers that came with this model, 3-3.5 hours to get the charger to stop blinking, which has been a bit of a bummer on one occasion. When the charger stops blinking the cells are actually only at 80% on these Toro chargers. It takes another hour to top off to 100. There are faster chargers that have integrated fans. Their commercial chargers only take about an hour I think, not positive.
Slower charging induces far less stress on the cells so I would expect a longer lifespan using a slower charger.
@@WatsitTooyahthanks for the info!
in ohio by the time i need this the batteries would be dead an not charge,,,lol only had to use my gas 27inch ariiens one time so far...an it has a full tank....
I'll reserve judgement until I see one perform in a snowfall heavy enough to require a 2-stage. Meanwhile, their single-stage battery powered unit is about $600 and IMO much more useful for routine snowfalls. Maybe a better choice. I'd like to see both in action first, though.
I have a short clip from over a year ago. This year, this snowblower performed well in 2 separate blizzards, roughly 3 feet and 4 feet of snowfall.
@@WatsitTooyah Interesting. I couldn't hear it labor, even. For several years I used a Toro electric, but corded. Entirely different animal, but it was so quiet & smooth, with gobs of torque, that it could convert even a die-hard internal combustion addict like me.
Looks great and I like it but still I’m sticking with gasoline and will be watching a few years for results and cost of battery sssss
If you take the cover off the belts
you find that these machines look so light duty it's silly to think they would last long. The price of the batteries ? Well you could buy a pretty good gas type snowblower lol. Best thing to do is ask someone who owns one. 😭
Yes, Electric snowblower will be better and better, but still need maintenance
Those look like plastic pulleys, I see problems down the road. Can they be upgraded to metal pulleys?
they are all metal pulleys
Sure hope You're wrong about battery-powered power equipment being the future Don, (at least the only future).. Battery powered power-equipment just doesn't' have same charm to me 😃and the cost of batteries could well be astronomical..
anyway I think the world will always need people like Donyboy73, some just have then thumbs or dont dear to work on they own power equipment, and then there is those of us who fancy giving being our own home/hobby mechanics a shot who can learn a lot from Don's videos... also the humble home/hobby mechanic sometimes will need a professional mechanic
Great video Dony.
Batteries are the future , no matter what we think about em. That battery cover looks very light and could break very easily ?
I'm still not convinced these will last as long as a gas machine. We all know how well cold temperatures and plastic do together.