Man, what I wouldn't give to see my grandfathers old model 94 cleaned up like this. He gave it to me decades ago, looking basically like this rifle. I learned to disassemble it and cleaned it up as well as I could at the time without messing with it too much. I am dead sure it would look considerably better getting this treatment. It was built in 1916 and was well used for a LONG time, I would love to be able to get it in better shape. It still functions well enough, and is accurate, for the most part, out to 100 yards. (My grandfather was convinced it couldn't hit the broad side of a barn when he gave it to me, I found the front blade sight was bent...) I love these videos, my grandfather would have loved them too.
man I wish I could go back and see these guns being made. the machinery setup for each operation would be one hell of a process. even the gun design, so many features and coming up with that takes some genius level design.
Greetings from Slovakia Mark! Next excellent video 👍 I am happy owner of W 1897 take down shotgun ( year of production 1907 ) and I bought gun in veeery poor condition. After my restoration and reparation ( thanks to Joe Hasser from Classic Old West Arms - Wisconsin for spare parts and friendly effort 👏) now looks great, fully functional and is on top in my weapons collection. I like all your videos, there is lot of passion, proffesionality, gunsmith "mastery" and excellent description of all, what you do. I will waiting for next your video. Jozef from Slovakia.
THAT, was a fabulous explanation of how that gun works. And why some people want no part of it, and why some do. And yes, that IS ONE BEAUTIFUL FIREARM!
Thanks Mark! Best video I have ever seen on the 1897! I have my Dad's. He used it mostly for shooting matches, and I used it for SASS cowboy action shoots. God bless John Moses Browning and you!
this video is right on time! i have an 1897 that i've been staring at for a couple of years and this will help me in learning about it. thanks for taking the time to make the seemingly unpossible make good sense.
I got a complete model 1897 from 1916 from my grandfather. Thanks for making this video Mark and Co and showing me how to further take this shotgun down beyond the takedown.
I love the 1897. Mine is a very late manufacture gun, from the mid-1950s. I really like the magazine emptying feature. It keeps you from having to run the rounds through the gun.
Very convenient I bought one of these last week and Mr. Novak releases a video on it lol. Mine was in pretty similar shape, friend of mine reblued it and I had to source som little parts. Hopefully within a week or two we'll have her all back together and ready to shoot.
I love all your videos. I recently inherited a 1951 '97 Takedown when my uncle passed away. My uncle really wasn't a gun guy and frankly I was surprised he had a small collection of old shotguns and rifles, including a 37B and an 87A. Anyway, when I got the '97 I knew almost nothing about them and it appeared broken as every time I worked the action the mag tube would pull out of the receiver. I figured out the tube was inserted backwards and when I put it in the right way everything went together as it should. I didn't however realize until watching this video that the pin was in backwards with the long side facing up when re-assembled. So thank you. Not wanting to completely disassemble the old girl ( I hear they call them 97 because that's how many small parts are in them :-) ) I cleaned as much as I could reach. Which it wasn't particularly dirty and my guess is my uncle didn't shoot it too much. I have basic smithing skills but when the time comes for a complete disassembly I will punt that job to an actual gunsmith who knows how to do it correctly.
beautiful old shotgun. my uncle had one when i was very young. never got a chance to shoot it but saw him take a lot of small game with it. i love old shotguns. thanks for another great video. i look forward to each and every one.
Mark, I have an even older 1897 that I inherited from my father when he passed away. It belonged to his father as well. Mine, however is in 16 gauge. It's an awesome and fun weapon for bird hunting and I've even shot skeet a few times with it. Cleaning, rather, proper cleaning is intricate but not difficult if you just take your time. And yes, Kroil is the only lubricant I'll ever use. Calling it angel piss makes me laugh every time. Great video!
15:54 it reminds me a trick given by a friend fond of old scooters, it was before any digital camera was available, he always took polaroids shots when stripping the tricky parts of engines he didn't know.
Another great video Mark. Reminds me that about 15 years ago I picked up a similar condition 97 (1922 mfr) for the lofty sum of $100 at a gunshow. Someone had crudely years before cut the barrel sloppily with a hacksaw and left it rough and it had no sight and was rusted - It was about 24 inches. I re-cut it to 20" , new sight and It cleaned up great but I didn't boil the rust - I wasn't aware of the restorative boiling probably at that time, but did take it completely apart clean it and tighten the barrel (takedown) assembly. It works great and is a good shooter. It has its forcing cone so it kicks noticeably harder than my later one that has had it relieved - but still fun.
This is where you get to the shop to pick up the gun, Mark hands it over. You cycle the gun and say, it's doing the same thing. Mark then shows you how to use the gun and hands you a big bill for the lesson and a cleaning. 😊😊
26:50 he says "...and not charge him anything else..." guys definitely paying for the work done just not for being taught how the gun works and how to properly use it.
I bought my 1897 Winchester modified to a trench gun from BullCreek Arms a couple years ago. Long waiting list but totally worth it. Slam fire guns are incredible! My receiver is from 1906
Same here. Freaking love mine. I have seen 1 shotgun I was pretty confident being original, and another I know was. Didnt want to pay 5+ thousand for a range toy that might have mechanical issues. Mines from 1901
I really appreciate the in-depth explanation of how everything works and firing demonstrations when it's together again. I had the opportunity many years ago to buy my dad's 97. He bought it new right before going into the army and Korea in 1951. I declined as I thought it was to heavy for me. Instead, I bought an Ithaca 37 feather light.
having not known about this gun and having one handed down to me i am very glad this has been made because the 89 year old retired gun smith that did me a favor and went through mine said to be careful when shooting mine. i also had mine bored out for modern shells as mine had the short chamber in it for old short paper shells its a great gun and iv killed a ton of birds with it in the 5 years iv owned it the slam fire is a fun party trick when out with guys that have auto loaders.
thanks for another great video Mark, some of my favorites on youtube. This one was absolutely gorgeous. the '97 has been on my short (and under funded) list for quite some time.
In 1971, I worked as a dog handler for an armored car company. The local police department put us on call for riot duty. We had a key marked "shotgun locker", so we went looking for it. Finally called the armored dispatcher at home. "Shotguns are locked in Vault #4. Time lock opens at 4am." We grabbed the weapons on the wall in the counting room. The Thompson had been cut with a torch, but there were 3 1897's loaded with buckshot. Didn't have to go out.
Mr. Novak I hade you as my (favorite) teacher for mech 1 and 2. You changed my life and I want to thank you, but I cannot message you. Would love to chat. Thank you for the real life, everyday useful, against the curriculum, skills that everyone should learn in high school.
Another command performance and another lucky Winchester to find your Renasance Man's work bench. So tickled for the owner and their family ! They couldn't have asked for more.... Truly a beautiful shotgun after you did the deferred maintenance. Another one saved for future generations.... God Bless.
Thank you Mark, I also have a 97 take down I inherited from my grandfather, and it looked as ratty as that one. Nice to see an expert explaining the innards.
The lettering on that barrel came out lovely. I've got an 1897 that I also likely first-time tore down a couple years ago. Desperately needs the carding wheel and bluing liquid sitting in a box ready to rock.
My son (24) inherited a 1906 model from my father in law. I had somebody go through it before I gave it to him and explained that while a slam fire was possible, it was highly discouraged for the old girl. Just put a repop butt plat on it and she'll be taking a range trip this month with some light 2 3/4" handloads.
I have a couple Ithica 37's that are supposed to do that but I'll be fine not using that function until necessary. Once again learned something from you. Good stuff.
That shotgun is Beautiful! I have that same model of the Winchester 1897 and can confirm that it will "slam fire" if you hold the trigger back and operate the slide. Pretty sure it has never been taken apart, I got it from my Grandfather back in the 1970s and I have done nothing but basic cleaning of it.
Talk about a rabbit hole... I had taken apart one of these years ago and it sat in a box for over a decade until I gathered the courage to reassemble it. J.M. Browning was partially a genius and the other part a sadist for how many small parts he put in his designs. Don't even get me started on my Auto-5 story...😢😂
I love shotguns..and its amazing how they all work ..and what a sleek design this old-timer is.. beutiful..good work.. also the shotgun to me is hard working Americana..cheap somtimes and versatile for anything close enough for a civilian to shoot at
I have a 1897 (made in 1927). I love it. I absolutely adore that gun. I hope, one day, to get it properly restored like this one. I'd also love to have a second front end of the gun built, so I can swap from 20 to 30 inch at my leisure (assuming thats even possible).
if it is adjusted properly and fitted properly i dont see why it could not be done as long as it has the proper head spacing i have one from 1924 that was already shortened and im going to get it to 18.5 or so since its already under 20 by a hair and had the bead drilled crooked and have it re blued as well
Nice work, sailor. I never understood home gamers' reluctance to buy a manufacturer's special tool. Working in the auto trade, I quickly learned the economic value of spending cash on the correct tools. Look forward to your next ejaculation of knowledge and wisdom brother, stay safe and well. 🤙 🇦🇺 ✌
40:38. Paul Harrell (R.I.P.) calls this "Pullrack", one word, but whatever you call it it must be in the forgotten 'olde world' manual of arms that only wise men know about.
From one coast to another Paul was the consument firearms instruction expert taken too soon. Mark on the other hand is the go to guy for conservation for his laymen explanation of how the insides of everything firearms!!
I have two of these older one brake down a a solid frame. Great gun I used them in cowboy action. Sorry I did law of ware and abuse. Probably one the best shotguns ever build. Thanks for show this video.
Great video. I just picked up 2 of these, 1 has a problem of not holding the hammer back upon closing the bolt. Both need to be cleaned and refinished.
My 97 is a 20" barrel riot model with an arsenal number on it. Wish I knew what department had it. Had it gone thru years ago. It was solid to start with but cleaned and took a silly Cutts Compensator choke off the end. Beautiful gun - wood is Walnut but was so dirty we didn't know until cleaned.
Winchester stopped making the 1897 in 1957, when my dad was still in high school. He strongly advised me to never buy one in the late 1970's/ early 80's (long before they became the cool gun for cowboy action shooting). Fast forward a couple of decades and I got to shoot one owned by a retired GMC. Babying it didn't work well, he advised to "work it briskly." That worked, but I don't like beating on old guns just to make them work. Perhaps it could have used a complete teardown, cleaning and conservation as this one did in the video. Lets face it, the newest Model 1897 Winchester is pushing seventy years old right now, the vast majority are probably over a century.
If it was designed to be used energetically is it beating on it? The entire action on a Remington Model 11 is energetic, letting the bolt go forward, firing and cycling is very energetic and throws the weight of that heavy piece of history and production was stopped either in 37 or 47. I have a later example and grew up shooting an earlier example that is so old it has the suicide safety and a Lyman Cutts Compensator because it was the way to tame the beast in the day. I tracked down a Cutts Compensator and adapter and lack bead and chokes.
Nice one Mark! I always thought I wanted an 1897 until I handled one. That’s when I discovered I could never get my firing hand in a position where it wouldn’t interfere with the bolt when cycling the action
I did a full teardown not to long ago but something isnt sitting right so gotta tear down again but it was so fun cleaming out oil and dirt from 50+ years ago
Hard to believe a gun that looked that scroty initially would turn out so beautiful. What a lovely finish you got on the metal, Mark.
Man, what I wouldn't give to see my grandfathers old model 94 cleaned up like this. He gave it to me decades ago, looking basically like this rifle. I learned to disassemble it and cleaned it up as well as I could at the time without messing with it too much. I am dead sure it would look considerably better getting this treatment. It was built in 1916 and was well used for a LONG time, I would love to be able to get it in better shape. It still functions well enough, and is accurate, for the most part, out to 100 yards. (My grandfather was convinced it couldn't hit the broad side of a barn when he gave it to me, I found the front blade sight was bent...) I love these videos, my grandfather would have loved them too.
I still like seeing how much original finish can be brought back to life by the conversion process.
I would trade a lot to absorb just the knowledge you've forgotten on firearms, man. Great video and I love all your stuff.
man I wish I could go back and see these guns being made. the machinery setup for each operation would be one hell of a process. even the gun design, so many features and coming up with that takes some genius level design.
Greetings from Slovakia Mark! Next excellent video 👍 I am happy owner of W 1897 take down shotgun ( year of production 1907 ) and I bought gun in veeery poor condition. After my restoration and reparation ( thanks to Joe Hasser from Classic Old West Arms - Wisconsin for spare parts and friendly effort 👏) now looks great, fully functional and is on top in my weapons collection. I like all your videos, there is lot of passion, proffesionality, gunsmith "mastery" and excellent description of all, what you do. I will waiting for next your video. Jozef from Slovakia.
THAT, was a fabulous explanation of how that gun works. And why some people want no part of it, and why some do. And yes, that IS ONE BEAUTIFUL FIREARM!
Thanks Mark! Best video I have ever seen on the 1897! I have my Dad's. He used it mostly for shooting matches, and I used it for SASS cowboy action shoots. God bless John Moses Browning and you!
Man, I knew that was your video just from the thumbnail pic without seeing the channel logo yet. Just your style, love your work.
this video is right on time!
i have an 1897 that i've been staring at for a couple of years and this will help me in learning about it.
thanks for taking the time to make the seemingly unpossible make good sense.
Thank You for Your time and effort Mister Novak. Best Wishes to You, Your Family and Friends...
That very close-up look and detailed disassembly really cleared up for me how the 1897 truly functions. Thank you, Mark!! 👍
I got a complete model 1897 from 1916 from my grandfather. Thanks for making this video Mark and Co and showing me how to further take this shotgun down beyond the takedown.
Beautiful little pump action, nice detailed takedown, cleanup and reassembly sir. Thank you.
I love the 1897. Mine is a very late manufacture gun, from the mid-1950s. I really like the magazine emptying feature. It keeps you from having to run the rounds through the gun.
I have 2. One from 1901, and other is 1908. Both have the screws and not the buttons
Many Thanks, Mr Novak ... for being there to educate, repair and conserve these precious antique firearms. Yet another wonderful episode.
Very convenient I bought one of these last week and Mr. Novak releases a video on it lol. Mine was in pretty similar shape, friend of mine reblued it and I had to source som little parts. Hopefully within a week or two we'll have her all back together and ready to shoot.
This channel is an education.
I love all your videos. I recently inherited a 1951 '97 Takedown when my uncle passed away. My uncle really wasn't a gun guy and frankly I was surprised he had a small collection of old shotguns and rifles, including a 37B and an 87A. Anyway, when I got the '97 I knew almost nothing about them and it appeared broken as every time I worked the action the mag tube would pull out of the receiver. I figured out the tube was inserted backwards and when I put it in the right way everything went together as it should. I didn't however realize until watching this video that the pin was in backwards with the long side facing up when re-assembled. So thank you. Not wanting to completely disassemble the old girl ( I hear they call them 97 because that's how many small parts are in them :-) ) I cleaned as much as I could reach. Which it wasn't particularly dirty and my guess is my uncle didn't shoot it too much. I have basic smithing skills but when the time comes for a complete disassembly I will punt that job to an actual gunsmith who knows how to do it correctly.
Mr John Moses Browning was a mechanical genius thank you Mark and Mr Browning
He was but he over thought this one. Probably his worst offering.
Excellent work as always, we need more videos mark . I can’t get enough of them
Another awesome video Mark, I thoroughly enjoyed the demonstration at the end and the gun looks great!
As always Mr Novak ... Outstanding! 👍
beautiful old shotgun. my uncle had one when i was very young. never got a chance to shoot it but saw him take a lot of small game with it. i love old shotguns. thanks for another great video. i look forward to each and every one.
Mark, I have an even older 1897 that I inherited from my father when he passed away. It belonged to his father as well. Mine, however is in 16 gauge. It's an awesome and fun weapon for bird hunting and I've even shot skeet a few times with it. Cleaning, rather, proper cleaning is intricate but not difficult if you just take your time. And yes, Kroil is the only lubricant I'll ever use. Calling it angel piss makes me laugh every time. Great video!
Always a pleasure to learn from you, Mark! Thank you for a great video!
Very good video. Ive refinished/restored 5 of these in the past few years and still learned something from your video. Good job.
Kudos to whomever made those animations
I’m pretty sure his name is Bruno… We like to talk about Bruno…😂 Thanks Mark, Bruno, et al.
Hard to believe such beauty was hidden under all that "patina"
15:54 it reminds me a trick given by a friend fond of old scooters, it was before any digital camera was available, he always took polaroids shots when stripping the tricky parts of engines he didn't know.
Man Mark, You do AMAZING work. That gun is DROP DEAD GORGEOUS!
For the glory of the algorithm and many thanks to Mark for showing us the details!
Another great video Mark. Reminds me that about 15 years ago I picked up a similar condition 97 (1922 mfr) for the lofty sum of $100 at a gunshow. Someone had crudely years before cut the barrel sloppily with a hacksaw and left it rough and it had no sight and was rusted - It was about 24 inches. I re-cut it to 20" , new sight and It cleaned up great but I didn't boil the rust - I wasn't aware of the restorative boiling probably at that time, but did take it completely apart clean it and tighten the barrel (takedown) assembly. It works great and is a good shooter. It has its forcing cone so it kicks noticeably harder than my later one that has had it relieved - but still fun.
If only there were enough Marks to make daily videos. Mark Novak and Mustie1 are my favorite things to watch.
Having said that, dont underestimate the disruption to my work flow a video represents
@@marknovak8255 i do greatly appreciate your time sir. I've learned alot. Thanks a ton for your videos.
This is where you get to the shop to pick up the gun, Mark hands it over. You cycle the gun and say, it's doing the same thing. Mark then shows you how to use the gun and hands you a big bill for the lesson and a cleaning. 😊😊
A lesson worth paying for, I reckon.
You should watch the video. He won't bill him.
26:50 he says "...and not charge him anything else..." guys definitely paying for the work done just not for being taught how the gun works and how to properly use it.
I bought my 1897 Winchester modified to a trench gun from BullCreek Arms a couple years ago. Long waiting list but totally worth it. Slam fire guns are incredible! My receiver is from 1906
Same here. Freaking love mine. I have seen 1 shotgun I was pretty confident being original, and another I know was.
Didnt want to pay 5+ thousand for a range toy that might have mechanical issues.
Mines from 1901
I really appreciate the in-depth explanation of how everything works and firing demonstrations when it's together again. I had the opportunity many years ago to buy my dad's 97. He bought it new right before going into the army and Korea in 1951. I declined as I thought it was to heavy for me. Instead, I bought an Ithaca 37 feather light.
Thank you sir for sharing this very enjoyable and interesting video with us six stars sir
outstanding, as usual Mark...
Never too late! Go forth and learn!
having not known about this gun and having one handed down to me i am very glad this has been made because the 89 year old retired gun smith that did me a favor and went through mine said to be careful when shooting mine. i also had mine bored out for modern shells as mine had the short chamber in it for old short paper shells its a great gun and iv killed a ton of birds with it in the 5 years iv owned it the slam fire is a fun party trick when out with guys that have auto loaders.
Just beautiful - your knowledge and experience on display making the wold a happier place. Thank you !
So satisfying to see a master at work.
Excellent job Mark! Love the before/after photos!
Beautiful work once again, thanks!
This made me very happy to see you post a new video. You made my day!
The man, the myth, the legend!
thanks for another great video Mark, some of my favorites on youtube. This one was absolutely gorgeous. the '97 has been on my short (and under funded) list for quite some time.
i really appreciate the detailed explanation of the intricate engineering and machining of these old pieces. A big difference from modern CNC.
In 1971, I worked as a dog handler for an armored car company. The local police department put us on call for riot duty. We had a key marked "shotgun locker", so we went looking for it. Finally called the armored dispatcher at home. "Shotguns are locked in Vault #4. Time lock opens at 4am." We grabbed the weapons on the wall in the counting room. The Thompson had been cut with a torch, but there were 3 1897's loaded with buckshot. Didn't have to go out.
Mr. Novak I hade you as my (favorite) teacher for mech 1 and 2. You changed my life and I want to thank you, but I cannot message you. Would love to chat. Thank you for the real life, everyday useful, against the curriculum, skills that everyone should learn in high school.
Markfixesguns@gmail.com
Another command performance and another lucky Winchester to find your Renasance Man's work bench. So tickled for the owner and their family ! They couldn't have asked for more.... Truly a beautiful shotgun after you did the deferred maintenance. Another one saved for future generations.... God Bless.
Thanks for showing the blown out receiver! I have been waiting to see it since I heard you told the story on Eric's podcast LLP! 😂
Thank you Mark, I also have a 97 take down I inherited from my grandfather, and it looked as ratty as that one. Nice to see an expert explaining the innards.
They don’t make them like they used to. Love the craftsmanship in these old tools.
The lettering on that barrel came out lovely. I've got an 1897 that I also likely first-time tore down a couple years ago. Desperately needs the carding wheel and bluing liquid sitting in a box ready to rock.
You bring back good memories from the days where I had a work-bench in a gunsmith's shop. Too many stories to burden you with today, grin.
The animation seems to be a new thing - I do like it .
Thanks again
My son (24) inherited a 1906 model from my father in law. I had somebody go through it before I gave it to him and explained that while a slam fire was possible, it was highly discouraged for the old girl. Just put a repop butt plat on it and she'll be taking a range trip this month with some light 2 3/4" handloads.
you are the king man. love your videos!
John Browning. My goodness what a brain.
Quite the evolution Mark. Thanks for sharing. Fascinating stuff.
I have a couple Ithica 37's that are supposed to do that but I'll be fine not using that function until necessary. Once again learned something from you. Good stuff.
That shotgun is Beautiful! I have that same model of the Winchester 1897 and can confirm that it will "slam fire" if you hold the trigger back and operate the slide. Pretty sure it has never been taken apart, I got it from my Grandfather back in the 1970s and I have done nothing but basic cleaning of it.
As expected, another very interesting and informative video. Thank you sir.
Talk about a rabbit hole... I had taken apart one of these years ago and it sat in a box for over a decade until I gathered the courage to reassemble it. J.M. Browning was partially a genius and the other part a sadist for how many small parts he put in his designs. Don't even get me started on my Auto-5 story...😢😂
20 years from when my SandW m29 trigger stud broke till I had the balls.....just sayin
Beautiful gun, great video.
I love shotguns..and its amazing how they all work ..and what a sleek design this old-timer is.. beutiful..good work.. also the shotgun to me is hard working Americana..cheap somtimes and versatile for anything close enough for a civilian to shoot at
Perfect example of how what some would value as patina is really rust under gunk on an unmaintained firearm.
Very educational. Thanks for posting Mark
Great video guys, only took me 11 days to watch it.
iPad baby brain moment
I have a 1897 (made in 1927). I love it. I absolutely adore that gun.
I hope, one day, to get it properly restored like this one.
I'd also love to have a second front end of the gun built, so I can swap from 20 to 30 inch at my leisure (assuming thats even possible).
if it is adjusted properly and fitted properly i dont see why it could not be done as long as it has the proper head spacing i have one from 1924 that was already shortened and im going to get it to 18.5 or so since its already under 20 by a hair and had the bead drilled crooked and have it re blued as well
@@nevinjacobs8577 The problem seems to be getting the parts.
Though ultimately it would probably be cheaper to just buy a whole new gun.
Thank you Mr. Mark !
OUTSTANDING! keep up the great videos mark, and crew.
Failure analysis determination: Excessive build up of Gradeaux. Translation: Gradeaux (cajun/acadian)=Gak (South Carolinian).
Oh hell yeah im using this
Nice work, sailor. I never understood home gamers' reluctance to buy a manufacturer's special tool. Working in the auto trade, I quickly learned the economic value of spending cash on the correct tools.
Look forward to your next ejaculation of knowledge and wisdom brother, stay safe and well. 🤙 🇦🇺 ✌
Hot damn old school gunsmithing/metalworking is so beautiful.
Great to see another episode. Thank you
40:38. Paul Harrell (R.I.P.) calls this "Pullrack", one word, but whatever you call it it must be in the forgotten 'olde world' manual of arms that only wise men know about.
From one coast to another Paul was the consument firearms instruction expert taken too soon. Mark on the other hand is the go to guy for conservation for his laymen explanation of how the insides of everything firearms!!
Man, that cleaned up nice.
Thank you, now I can repair my 1897
I have two of these older one brake down a a solid frame. Great gun I used them in cowboy action. Sorry I did law of ware and abuse. Probably one the best shotguns ever build. Thanks for show this video.
Great video. I just picked up 2 of these, 1 has a problem of not holding the hammer back upon closing the bolt.
Both need to be cleaned and refinished.
My 97 is a 20" barrel riot model with an arsenal number on it. Wish I knew what department had it. Had it gone thru years ago. It was solid to start with but cleaned and took a silly Cutts Compensator choke off the end. Beautiful gun - wood is Walnut but was so dirty we didn't know until cleaned.
Yet another great video
1897! Old school perfection!
Excellent video as always! The Winchester 1890 .22 has the same feature.
Fantastic, engaging information…outstanding!
Hello mister Mark gredings from Portugal 🇵🇹🇵🇹 I love your channel!
Thank you, Mark! I actually have one of these that is almost as dirty and was hoping that you were going to do an episode on one.
Great video! "Just the facts, ma'am."
I have actually stripped down mine.. and had to remove the rust and mung from it.. I love the model 97 :)
I took apart and cleaned up a buddies Model 12. Very cool old guns.
Really nice to see the mechanics of the stripped down action at the end there.
Love the new pronunciation of Pay Tina
For the non-mechanically-inclined, "Pay Mark"
Yet another great episode
Winchester stopped making the 1897 in 1957, when my dad was still in high school. He strongly advised me to never buy one in the late 1970's/ early 80's (long before they became the cool gun for cowboy action shooting). Fast forward a couple of decades and I got to shoot one owned by a retired GMC. Babying it didn't work well, he advised to "work it briskly." That worked, but I don't like beating on old guns just to make them work. Perhaps it could have used a complete teardown, cleaning and conservation as this one did in the video. Lets face it, the newest Model 1897 Winchester is pushing seventy years old right now, the vast majority are probably over a century.
The gun has no idea how old it is. If it was ever meant to run, run it.
I have 2. One from 1901 and other from 1906.
The 1901 runs smooth and slick. It was throughly rebuilt and whoever did that did an excellent job.
If it was designed to be used energetically is it beating on it? The entire action on a Remington Model 11 is energetic, letting the bolt go forward, firing and cycling is very energetic and throws the weight of that heavy piece of history and production was stopped either in 37 or 47. I have a later example and grew up shooting an earlier example that is so old it has the suicide safety and a Lyman Cutts Compensator because it was the way to tame the beast in the day. I tracked down a Cutts Compensator and adapter and lack bead and chokes.
Nice one Mark! I always thought I wanted an 1897 until I handled one. That’s when I discovered I could never get my firing hand in a position where it wouldn’t interfere with the bolt when cycling the action
I did a full teardown not to long ago but something isnt sitting right so gotta tear down again but it was so fun cleaming out oil and dirt from 50+ years ago
My old Model 12 and Ithaca Model 37 will "slam fire". Like simultaneously pulling both triggers on a SxS, it's something I only tried once.
How on earth did John Browning dream this design up? That's just incredible.
We're you thinking that when he was showing the inner mechanics of how it all works
Always an ed-u-macation. Thank you !