I just bought my first sled, it's a 2001 MXZ 800. It's from a friend who rebuilds sleds so It's a good machine for it's age. I've been binge watching a lot of videos since I got it last week. New sub from Manitoba, Canada :)
Hi Dave (and all those who post). I'm new in the sled world - in fact I haven't yet picked up my new Ski Doo but I did recently purchase it at the Alberta Snow Show on Oct 14, 2018. Wanted to compliment Dave on an excellent series of videos!!! I have seen dozens of them so far and for a newb like me they have been very practical and helpful. I have little doubt they are of benefit to the more experienced riders as well. Keep up the good work!
Very informative, before my 1200 4-stroke I was riding a 583 the same year as your sled. I used XPS synthetic and never had a problem. Lets hope for snow and lots of it in Ontario!
I use Ski-Doo's XPS oil in my Polaris wich alot of people get surprised about. Yes I know its not the recommended oil by Polaris, but Ski-Doo's oil is just so easy to find up here aswell as the price being pretty fair. I would almost go as far to say that my Sled runs better with Ski-Doo's oil. But time will tell as last season wasn't the best and hopefully I'll have more snow this season, to fully see how my Sled performs with Ski-Doo's oil. May make a video about it even ''How did Ski-Doo oil work in my Polaris?'' Fantastic video, love the editing. Keep up the awesome work! :)
Dave a reason to buy synthetic oil is to clean your PowerValves so you can keep those HP'S longer lasting ! And less time cleaning Powervalves ! If your snowmobile doesn't have Powervalves like those lower cc engines Mineral oil is just fine. A reason to buy Mineral oil is when you rebuild an engine the thicker oil will give you the lubricity needed to get those parts moving as they should ! After about 2 gas fillings dump the mineral oil and get to Synthetic oil to start cleaning those Powervalves ! Great Video !
Hi DB, thanks for the comment, but that wouldn’t be the reason I’d choose synthetic. Cleaning properties would be more attributable to the additives than which base oil it’s made of. There are other good reasons….Synthetic oils maintain their viscosity better at all temperatures so they flow and do their job better when it’s REALLY cold out, and they don’t break down like other types of oils do at high temperatures. The molecules in synthetic oil are more uniform so they create less friction, heat, and wear - which makes sense since they basically design a molecule to do a specific job. The main reason to choose a mineral oil is cost.
Doug E not much difference.. $50 a gallon. I’ve ran that or yamalube which my srx 700 has 8500 miles and everything looks good when I took it apart for a tune up which apparently I didn’t have to do but wanted to be safe.
Hey Dave, I used XPS Mineral oil in my 2000 MXZ 700 and so did the previous owner. Like you said it was recommended by the manufacturer and I stuck with it. Now with my 2016 Ski-Doo Blizzard, Ski-Doo only recommend the XPS full synthetic so obviously, that's all I will be using in it. I also agree with the concept that the manufacturer knows what is best for their engines. Even though it may seem like they just want you to buy their product, I still feel it is best and won't void the warranty if there is one. Great video!
I run a 98 arctic cat sno pro high compression 440 with vp 110. I put lucas in the injector and mix amsoil in the gas. I figure that way im not mixing them together in the same reservoir and if one dont work the other one will. It smells amazing!
I run Klotz TC W3 Motorcycle oil since 1973. Works great in dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Power valves always clean. The poor point is within 4 degrees of the Klotz snowmobile formula. The flash points are identical. The Sp. G. is only about one point different.
I don't see a problem switching oils, even if they don't mix there will always be oil getting injected into the motor. Manufacturers recommendations don't mean much except that variable exhaust valves usually don't gum up as much with a good synthetic oil. Also an oil endorsed for sleds is a good idea due to low temperatures and high rpm.
Hi Alistair. I’m sorry, but I don’t agree on this one. Considering the combination of additives, the focused, specific development of OEM oil gives your snowmobile the best chance of operating as intended by the designer, for the longest operating life. As far as mixing oils, just not good practice. It probably wouldn’t interfere with the injection of oil but for me “probably” isn’t good enough. You are right that you should never put an oil other than one manufactured for snowmobile engines into a sled. Thanks for watching and posting. Hope youre getting lots of riding in!
@@MyOldSled considering that most snowmobiles use the same materials in the engine and similar type of construction and similar clearances, I don't think any oem oil is too different from another and any differences are basically negligible. Also consider that they recommend the same oil for new sleds as older ones with different designs. Should you run an older style conventional oil just because that's what the manufacturer recommended when it was new? There is not a lot of difference between synthetic oil additives within the snowmobile class, there will be differences of grades of the base stock oil though, with ester being the best. I worked in an engine machine shop for a few years and never saw engine damage due to different brands of oil, mostly from 1. lack of oil changes, 2. abuse, or 3. high miles. Saw a lot of sled piston seizures due to lack of oil, not letting it warm up before taking off, or cooling failure. A bad oil will shorten the life of the engine, but none of the major manufacturers make a "bad" oil. Don't mean any disrespect, just done a lot of research so I'm opinionated. The season only started a week ago here in Southern Wisconsin, and Northern Wisconsin wasn't that far ahead. Slow start, but now we're about to have the third large storm here in 1 week! Too bad it's bitterly cold, but I got a new electric shield z1r solaris helmet and some nice bib pants. Should be ok. Just gotta finish fixing my old sleds and hit the trails. Might have to ride one to work tomorrow haha! Big storm on the way
Oh hey, I may not agree, but I never took it as disrespect. Like I mentioned in the video, talking about oil is like talking about religion, and there are lots of strong opinions. Always appreciate people sharing theirs.
I use that same Shell synthetic stuff in my 583. You're correct that it's 59.99 at Canadian Tire but the key is to get it on sale. When it goes on sale it's a great deal. I think it goes for 39.99 on sale.
You're probably right. I really can't remember what it costs on sale but I remember it being a good deal. If I catch it this year I'll buy 2 of them. Love your videos by the way. My 99' Formula Deluxe 583 is similar vintage. 9,000 kms and still running strong.
Any oil is better than NO oil! I used Sunoco 2stroke outboard motor on everything for over 20yrs.. It was at the local gas station and that was all that was available within a 10mile radius! Never had a problem..
Good video. Fuel prices are pretty high.👍 For 2023 fuel and oil prices pretty high I'm just running my new 91 Arctic Cat 440LT does ok with a 45:1 mix of Castrol Oil. It's about 6.50 a gallon here in Bush Alaska. AMSOIL is my goto but it's pretty pricey right now.😁👍
hi thanks for the reply ! yeah just a heads up that shell oil you use is only $49.99 for the same size jug at walmart..check it out,,only thing is buy all you need for winter as they dont restock till after winter..i know pretty crazy of them .
So for the past 6 years I have been mixing every brand of oil under the sun in an 15 pro s 800. Walmart oil, amsoil, ski doo oil and polaris oil....never noticed a thing and 5000 trouble free miles. I've never blown up a sled because of the name of brand new oil.
Where we ride in northern new Hampshire and Maine the ski Doo dealership will refill your old oil jugs for a little cheaper then buying a new jug. The dealership has a huge barrel of brp synthetic oil and just bring in your empty jugs and they will fill them for about $10-15 less then buying a new jug. Don't know if all or even many dealers do this or it's just a few but worth asking your local ski Doo dealer. Figure for every 3-4 jugs basically get a free jug by refilling vs buying new jugs.
I used to use yamalube synth in my 05 Arctic cat 570 ran just fine. Probably gonna use Polaris 2 stroke synthetic in my 04 skidoo summit 600 cause that's what's in hand at the moment
I like the ambient synth sounds in the outro pretty neat. I have to replace the wiring harness on my Mach Z the high beams don't work at all it's going to be such a pain in the butt. The wiring harness runs underneath the engine, such a bad design for the 98 Mach Z.. they are known for wiring issues but I couldn't resist getting one my Dad had one when they were relatively new when I was young so it's nostalgia.. the way they look is just awesome. Hope you gets lots of snow too man!
We have way more at home in far northern ND, I live out west in Williston and don't have much but I'm too excited so just have to do with what we got but have another Christmas Snow Storm coming so we should get more
@@MyOldSled The Motomaster brand is the exact same oil as the Shell oil. It comes out of the exact same Shell refinery in Alberta. The advantage to mineral oil is that the mineral in the oil will fill the pours in the metal of your cylinder/ piston walls and provide a tighter seal. I always run a tank of mineral oil at the start of the season and change to full synthetic for the rest.
I don't know what oil the 2 guys used that I bought the Sleds from. I use the mineral oil that bombardier makes. 95 Formula S 380 and 96 Formula SL. Is that a good oil to use? Thanks
Brp is ripping you off with their oil. You have to know that if they get into selling oil its for the$$$. Mystic meets their warranty standards and is wayyy cheaper. If the oil conforms to warranty that is all you needs to know
My Old Sled Ok nice if I get a sled that is good for long rides maybe we can ride together one winter because I am about 2 1/2 hours away Good videos keep up the good work
Try WALMART for SHELL ADVANCE ULTRA only $43. Canadian tire costs $58. ? I use Shell in my 2007 Rev Renegade 600sdi ! Skidoo oil XPS oil smells bad, my son runs it in his 2005 rev 600sdi
I bought a 20 yr old skidoo last season and over the summer I replaced all lubricants with OEM so that I had a starting point for maintenance. My sled smokes a lot when first starting it. After it warms up it's not too bad. How does one know if your sled is smoking too much. Are there any adjustments I can make to reduce smoking. Mauri
First time snowmobiler here! Just picked up a 2001 MXZ 800 and its a still question but do I need to mix gas before putting it in the gas tank or is there an oil injector that will mix the gas?
Your sled has an oil injection system. If you look on the right hand side of the engine, there is a tank for your injector oil. Unless someones modified the sled, you dont have to mix.
I would run a synthetic. I think its pretty much the same as my 670. I would recommend you find a manual online for your sled and purchase it. Just google "manual for [sled model] " I buy service and owners manual, but at least owners or operators manual is a must have in my opinion. It will tell you things like this as well as what kind of maintenance items you should be doing.
@@MyOldSled it needed a new fly wheel new clutch boggie wheels battery recoil spring the coolant hose was loose so I just ordered the parts and got a guy to install them for me did all that for 500$
I recently bought a 1998 ski doo. I'm replacing all fluids and filters for a fresh start since I don't know when the previous owner did this. There's a possibility the previous owner used mineral injector oil but I really don't know for sure. I plan to use XPS synthetic. In your opinion if I drain the oil tank before using the synthetic, would this be ok.
I would think it should be fine. I would get as much as I can out just to be safe. Not sure what model you have, but is there an inline filter on the oil line? If so, good opportunity to change that. and you can drain the old oil out at the same time.
New to sleds and I been using tcw3 oil in my 1999 skidoo formula dlx 380 for the first 3 days I owned it now I'm told I shouldn't use it any suggestions?
Though Ive never heard od anyone having big time issues, you shoud be aware that the shell oil is a TCw-3 i oili believe which rotax doesnt recommend in a lot of their engines. Chech the bottle it's TC... something and compare it against the owners manual just to be sure. Ive run into this with skidoo and sea doo products.
HI Urmom... Thanks for the post. The label on the Shell Advance Snow Ultra I was holding in my video does not list TC-W3, (just double checked) but it does reference API TC. API TC is a certification for two-stroke oils based on detergent performance, dispersion, and anti-oxidation. I believe TC-W3 is a standard for oil specially designed for use in outboard motors. Shell Advance Snow Ultra recommended applications are "high performance/output 2-stroke snowmobile engines including those with variable exhaust systems such as RAVE*, pre-mix and direct oil injection systems." Also, states "Meets all major snowmobile manufacturers recommendations including Arctic Cat, Bombardier, Polaris,Yamaha" The newer manuals reference "Do not use NMMA TC-W,TC-2 or TC-W3 outboard two-stroke engine oils..." My manual says Use Bombardier Snowmobile injection oil, or substitute Blizzard Oil.
Good stuff. I may have been thinking of the semi synthetic shell oil or the regular stuff. There is one version of the shell whic I had on the shelf at home, and was branded for snowmobiles, had a TC-W rating. WHen reading up on this I found that oils with the certifications listed above may not provide optimal lubrication due to higher cylinder wall temps during operation in comparison to some other engines. \Either way, its somehting to be aware of when choosing an Oil and it the reaso I've moved away from Shell. Mystic has been a great alternative and is much less expensive than the BRP XPS oils
Just a matter of paying attention and buying the correct product. Mystic also makes a TC-W3 oil, so likewise, you'd need to make sure you didn't buy that one for the wrong application.
If you have power valves you need good synthetic oil old fan cooled sleds probably don't need it but in all are sleds we run Polaris ves gold except in my iqr I like to run amsoil dominater because it's a race motor
It’s not about the quality of the oil, it’s about the specific formulation of marine oil. Two-stroke outboard motors run at much lower temperatures than snowmobile engines and operate at much lower RPM. Specific formulas are used at lower temps to reduce engine deposits and spark plug fouling. Marine engines use “TC-W3” oils, an industry rating for outboard two-stroke oils. The detergents in marine oil are non-metallic and don’t generate the same ash deposits in the engine. Snowmobiles engines run at much higher temperatures and RPM. I am not an engineer or a mechanic, but it does make sense to me that the two extremely different operating conditions would benefit from different formulations in oils. I don’t think it’s going to kill your sled, or you’ll see a massive difference in performance, but I think wear and the buildup of crud in the engine are reduced using the right oils. Some manufacturers specifically say not to use ashless or TC-W3 oils in their engines. I feel better spending a few bucks more and using oils that are recommended by manufacturer. Whatever you use, I hope you’re getting lots of snow. Looks like winter is starting.
It depends. For example skidoo actually recommends regular (87) for the 550f motor but if you have a high compression motor or forced induction youre gonna probably need high octane or youll blow it up. Check with your manufacturer because high octane will never hurt your snowmachine but its a lot more expensive lol
Hi Brendan. Thats good advice. Most of the older BRP owners manuals say 87 OR HIGHER, and for some models, they will say specifically 91 or higher. For all of the 87s, like mine it says specifically less than 10% ethanol. In newer sled, the computers may adjust ignition timing and fuel ratios to compensate for poorer fuel so you probably wouldn't hurt anything. Best choice is always manufacturer recommendation. A lot of people with older sleds don't have the manual. High octane fuels wont make it run any better if it was designed for 87, but it wont hurt. I never claim to be a snowmobile mechanic, but to me its like oil. Check the manual, and if you can't, then go with the best you can.
Who uses genuine manufacture oil for your car like GM, Toyota, or Honda and pay $6-$8/ 955ml per bottle?? If oil from after-market oil states JASO and/or ISO compatible(petroleum or synthetic), it’s completely safe and sometimes better to use. Manufacturers will state “their brand name” to continue profits. Bombardier oils are refined by Petro-Canada, which refines Motormaster, Valvoline, and Quakerstate. Final decision is yours.
XPS lubricants are manufactured by Lube Tech, in partnership with BRP and Rotax. You are right it is personal preference and my preference is the manufacturers recommendation. With the rising cost of two stroke oil, I hardly blame anyone for looking for cost effective options.
@@MyOldSled ....”refined” as Canada does not have much oil refineries as Lube Tech finds a refinery to make XPS products.....seeing 4 different manufacturer labels on four gallon pails being filled with 15W-40 oil from the same source. But I agree, synthetic burns cleaner & mixes better with gasoline(especially 94 octane from Petro-Can) in Rotax engines.
mmmmm...sorry. That's not how it works, or how synthetic two stroke oil is manufactured, but like I said in the video, everyone has a different opinion about 2 stroke oil...lots of factors go into what brand people choose. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Hi Bobbie. No, I haven't. I know lots of guys like it and it's a widely available synthetic. I will probably stick with xps. Thanks for the info though.
BRP does not manufacture or blend their own lubricants, their branded oil is blended to match their design specs and bottled by a lubricant manufacturer (Citgo, Warren, Exxon etc.), the lowest bidder likely getting the contract and, can change supplier once the contract is up. Shell on the other hand have the capacities to design, blend and market their own product.
Hi Michel. Yep, as far as I know that's right. I did say in the video, BRP works with an oil manufacturing company to make XPS oil to their specs. I imagine they do review their contracts like most businesses, but I believe they have been working with the same company since 2008. Pretty common. I think Polaris has an oil with their brand on it, I think Yamaha has one, Mercury...its all pretty much the same. They just provide the specs that they expect for their products. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
I work for BRP in Valcourt,Quebec (Canada),the birthplace and the hometown of the Ski-doo snowmobile. True, at the BRP plant,we do not "BREW" our own oil. This being said, BRP's engineers work with well known oil manufactures to blend the BRP oil according to the Rotax engine's specs and tollerances. Rotax is owned by BRP inc., would they not know what is the better oil for their engines? Sometimes a Ski-doo is randomly " pulled " of the assembly line to be sent to the Engineering Department for testing and they put the engine through a series of grulling tests, one being how well their oil stands up to cold and heat. But don't worry, that snowmobile will never be sold to a customer. At BRP Ski-doo, we do the testing so that our customers can do the Ski-dooing ! ! As long as there will be snow, we will make Ski-doos ! ! !
@@rolandmetayer7210 - Roland, welcome to the channel. I've always believed BRP engineers would know best, that' why I use XPS products in my sled. I've had so much fun with your team's products. Thanks for watching, commenting, and making a great sled.
Ive read online that Castrol manufactures xps, but I believe BRP Partners with US manufacturer Lubetech to manufacture xps lubricants to their specifications. Thanks for watching.
As with most products these days, many products or constituent parts are made under licence by a particular manufacturer. As I clarified at 4:24, in the case of XPS Oil, "An oil manufacturing partner works jointly with BRP and it's Rotax Powertrain engineers". In other words, they don't directly make it per se, its made to their specs. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I'm sorry that is not correct KDawg. The recommended oil in the '97 manual is BOMBARDIER SNOWMOBILE INJECTION OIL (P/N 496 013300) a conventional 2 stroke oil. That PN is no longer available, BRP recommends XPS synthetic. The manual specifically states NOT to use mineral oil. Thanks for watching though.
@@MyOldSled I was mostly wanted to know iam down on Castrol and wanted to ride tomorrow but have jug of brp mineral oil so I think I’ll take qt with me for back up,everywhere close sold out of Castrol today sucks lol
Hi KDawg. All I can say is what I use, and what is recommended by BRP. Your comment was that my sled "calls for mineral oil" and as I said, that is incorrect. I always use synthetic oils in anything, and explained why in the video. You would be better off using conventional 2-stroke oil over mineral oil in this sled. A lot of people use a wide variety of oils in their sleds, and with the cost of 2-stroke oil, I can't blame them. You're right though, it is a beautiful old sled. Thanks for watching.
Availability is a good criteria when choosing a 2-stroke oil. You should never mix oils so thats a good reason to choose an oil that is available where you ride.
I put Castrol 2T snowmobile oil in my 2003 mxz renegade 600 H.O, Have been great in 7 seasons now :)
I just dump in whatever I have in my shed. My old 1990 cougar isn't fussy.
Is it still running ??
I just bought my first sled, it's a 2001 MXZ 800. It's from a friend who rebuilds sleds so It's a good machine for it's age. I've been binge watching a lot of videos since I got it last week. New sub from Manitoba, Canada :)
Great info.
I would agree on all points.
Synthetic, manufacturer recommended would be the top pick for sure,but cost can be a factor. Thanks Dave
Hi Dave (and all those who post). I'm new in the sled world - in fact I haven't yet picked up my new Ski Doo but I did recently purchase it at the Alberta Snow Show on Oct 14, 2018. Wanted to compliment Dave on an excellent series of videos!!! I have seen dozens of them so far and for a newb like me they have been very practical and helpful. I have little doubt they are of benefit to the more experienced riders as well. Keep up the good work!
Hi Pat. Congratulations on your new purchase! Hope you have a ton of fun. Thanks for commenting.
Hi Pat. Get any riding in yet?
Very informative, before my 1200 4-stroke I was riding a 583 the same year as your sled. I used XPS synthetic and never had a problem. Lets hope for snow and lots of it in Ontario!
Fingers crossed here.
I use Ski-Doo's XPS oil in my Polaris wich alot of people get surprised about. Yes I know its not the recommended oil by Polaris, but Ski-Doo's oil is just so easy to find up here aswell as the price being pretty fair. I would almost go as far to say that my Sled runs better with Ski-Doo's oil. But time will tell as last season wasn't the best and hopefully I'll have more snow this season, to fully see how my Sled performs with Ski-Doo's oil. May make a video about it even ''How did Ski-Doo oil work in my Polaris?''
Fantastic video, love the editing. Keep up the awesome work! :)
I was using XD-100 BRP etc oil but now i use that in my 8v92 detroit turbo 2 stroke!
I have used amsoil synthetic interceptor for years and no trouble. Only $50 a gallon here in the states
Tcw3 on 90s sleds, up to mid 2000 pre power valves... Cheap
Synthetic on power valves.
Brand specific oil while on warrenty
Dave a reason to buy synthetic oil is to clean your PowerValves so you can keep those HP'S longer lasting ! And less time cleaning Powervalves ! If your snowmobile doesn't have Powervalves like those lower cc engines Mineral oil is just fine. A reason to buy Mineral oil is when you rebuild an engine the thicker oil will give you the lubricity needed to get those parts moving as they should ! After about 2 gas fillings dump the mineral oil and get to Synthetic oil to start cleaning those Powervalves ! Great Video !
Hi DB, thanks for the comment, but that wouldn’t be the reason I’d choose synthetic. Cleaning properties would be more attributable to the additives than which base oil it’s made of.
There are other good reasons….Synthetic oils maintain their viscosity better at all temperatures so they flow and do their job better when it’s REALLY cold out, and they don’t break down like other types of oils do at high temperatures. The molecules in synthetic oil are more uniform so they create less friction, heat, and wear - which makes sense since they basically design a molecule to do a specific job.
The main reason to choose a mineral oil is cost.
I love using klotz. Great low temp pour, and it smells awesome compared to other brands.
How much is it compared to other brands?
Doug E not much difference.. $50 a gallon. I’ve ran that or yamalube which my srx 700 has 8500 miles and everything looks good when I took it apart for a tune up which apparently I didn’t have to do but wanted to be safe.
Hey Dave, I used XPS Mineral oil in my 2000 MXZ 700 and so did the previous owner. Like you said it was recommended by the manufacturer and I stuck with it. Now with my 2016 Ski-Doo Blizzard, Ski-Doo only recommend the XPS full synthetic so obviously, that's all I will be using in it. I also agree with the concept that the manufacturer knows what is best for their engines. Even though it may seem like they just want you to buy their product, I still feel it is best and won't void the warranty if there is one. Great video!
I just bought my 1st sled its a mxz 600 and I been watching alot of your videos thanks
Hey congrats! Have fun, be safe, Hope you get a ton of snow.
At my local ski doo dealer if you return with an empty oil jug they'll refill it from their bulk container. Helps a little bit on price.
I checked. Mine doesn’t.
I run a 98 arctic cat sno pro high compression 440 with vp 110. I put lucas in the injector and mix amsoil in the gas. I figure that way im not mixing them together in the same reservoir and if one dont work the other one will. It smells amazing!
Hi Dan. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I run Klotz TC W3 Motorcycle oil since 1973. Works great in dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Power valves always clean.
The poor point is within 4 degrees of the Klotz snowmobile formula. The flash points are identical. The Sp. G. is only about one point different.
Thanks for watching, and sharing your experience Carl.
I recommend Shell Advance 2-Stroke Snow Ultra for chainsaws and garden motors: Meets JASO FD and ISO-L-EGD requirements.
I run Shell Advance in my 2000 ZL550 and 2001 XC500SP....along with Shell 91.
FYI most brp dealers can refill your old oil jugs making it a bit cheaper again . and your mxz looks very nice and clean
Thanks for the tip, and compliment.
Hey Dave,,how you been buddy? getting ready for winter??? you making a new video of getting yer sleds ready?
Saved my life once again
You owe me big time yeezus
I use Castrol Super Snowmobile oil at 12,000kms without a hitch.
Best oil out there
I don't see a problem switching oils, even if they don't mix there will always be oil getting injected into the motor. Manufacturers recommendations don't mean much except that variable exhaust valves usually don't gum up as much with a good synthetic oil. Also an oil endorsed for sleds is a good idea due to low temperatures and high rpm.
Hi Alistair. I’m sorry, but I don’t agree on this one. Considering the combination of additives, the focused, specific development of OEM oil gives your snowmobile the best chance of operating as intended by the designer, for the longest operating life. As far as mixing oils, just not good practice. It probably wouldn’t interfere with the injection of oil but for me “probably” isn’t good enough. You are right that you should never put an oil other than one manufactured for snowmobile engines into a sled. Thanks for watching and posting. Hope youre getting lots of riding in!
@@MyOldSled considering that most snowmobiles use the same materials in the engine and similar type of construction and similar clearances, I don't think any oem oil is too different from another and any differences are basically negligible. Also consider that they recommend the same oil for new sleds as older ones with different designs. Should you run an older style conventional oil just because that's what the manufacturer recommended when it was new? There is not a lot of difference between synthetic oil additives within the snowmobile class, there will be differences of grades of the base stock oil though, with ester being the best. I worked in an engine machine shop for a few years and never saw engine damage due to different brands of oil, mostly from 1. lack of oil changes, 2. abuse, or 3. high miles. Saw a lot of sled piston seizures due to lack of oil, not letting it warm up before taking off, or cooling failure. A bad oil will shorten the life of the engine, but none of the major manufacturers make a "bad" oil. Don't mean any disrespect, just done a lot of research so I'm opinionated. The season only started a week ago here in Southern Wisconsin, and Northern Wisconsin wasn't that far ahead. Slow start, but now we're about to have the third large storm here in 1 week! Too bad it's bitterly cold, but I got a new electric shield z1r solaris helmet and some nice bib pants. Should be ok. Just gotta finish fixing my old sleds and hit the trails. Might have to ride one to work tomorrow haha! Big storm on the way
Oh hey, I may not agree, but I never took it as disrespect. Like I mentioned in the video, talking about oil is like talking about religion, and there are lots of strong opinions. Always appreciate people sharing theirs.
I run amsoil in my 1997 Indy xc 600 triple
Thanks for commenting DC
I use that same Shell synthetic stuff in my 583. You're correct that it's 59.99 at Canadian Tire but the key is to get it on sale. When it goes on sale it's a great deal. I think it goes for 39.99 on sale.
Hi Chris. I think it was $49. Last year. Watch Walmart as they sell it too.
You're probably right. I really can't remember what it costs on sale but I remember it being a good deal. If I catch it this year I'll buy 2 of them. Love your videos by the way. My 99' Formula Deluxe 583 is similar vintage. 9,000 kms and still running strong.
i use the shell its 43.95 at walmart and its a price that you cant beat for synthetic oil
I haven't seen it at all in the 2 walmarts in my area this winter, not sure why.
yeah not all the stores carry it. i might be the only person who buys it around here but they always have it in stock
Canadian Tire carries it too but last time I was in they didn't have it. Agree though it's a good product, and a good price,
Any oil is better than NO oil! I used Sunoco 2stroke outboard motor on everything for over 20yrs.. It was at the local gas station and that was all that was available within a 10mile radius! Never had a problem..
I agree. Definitely better than no oil. Thanks for watching Lucas.
Have you heard of Maxima Tundra? My local sled shop recommended it this afternoon.
Hi Jordan. Yes, I believe it is a petroleum based product.
Good video. Fuel prices are pretty high.👍
For 2023 fuel and oil prices pretty high I'm just running my new 91 Arctic Cat 440LT does ok with a 45:1 mix of Castrol Oil. It's about 6.50 a gallon here in Bush Alaska.
AMSOIL is my goto but it's pretty pricey right now.😁👍
Everything is getting expensive. Don’t blame anyone buying a little cheaper product.
I use klotz in my trail sled but in my vintage sleds I'll either use mystic or arctic blue
Your videos are very informational
Thanks very much. I research as much as possible, and a lot of riders have been very generous sharing their knowledge while I was learning.
I use Dominator cause i own a 600RS tuned on race gas and need the extra protection
Hi E.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Amsoil has a blended Synthetic oil mineral oil.
Thanks for the comment. Are you still running that Polaris? Nice looking machine.
hi thanks for the reply ! yeah just a heads up that shell oil you use is only $49.99 for the same size jug at walmart..check it out,,only thing is buy all you need for winter as they dont restock till after winter..i know pretty crazy of them .
Thanks for the heads up. How's the weather in North Bay?
So for the past 6 years I have been mixing every brand of oil under the sun in an 15 pro s 800. Walmart oil, amsoil, ski doo oil and polaris oil....never noticed a thing and 5000 trouble free miles. I've never blown up a sled because of the name of brand new oil.
Glad its worked out for you. Lots of opinions on oils. Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you’re getting lots of snow.
Where we ride in northern new Hampshire and Maine the ski Doo dealership will refill your old oil jugs for a little cheaper then buying a new jug. The dealership has a huge barrel of brp synthetic oil and just bring in your empty jugs and they will fill them for about $10-15 less then buying a new jug. Don't know if all or even many dealers do this or it's just a few but worth asking your local ski Doo dealer. Figure for every 3-4 jugs basically get a free jug by refilling vs buying new jugs.
Yeah I’ve heard that before as well. I don’t believe my local dealer does. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I like your handle bar cover pad ,where did you get it
It came with the sled.
Ok cool I.like to personalize my machine I would need to find a green one to match my hood
i like those old 670s had a mint 1995 mach 1 twin pipes fast as hell.
I used to use yamalube synth in my 05 Arctic cat 570 ran just fine. Probably gonna use Polaris 2 stroke synthetic in my 04 skidoo summit 600 cause that's what's in hand at the moment
Both synthetic...There are a lot worse oil you could be using ;)
i run mystik jt-4 2 stroke oil
Sameee baby
Great video
Thanks Darian!
Nice intro and outro, Dave! Wonder how the snow will be down here in Wisconsin this season.
Thanks J. Here's hoping.
I like the ambient synth sounds in the outro pretty neat.
I have to replace the wiring harness on my Mach Z the high beams don't work at all it's going to be such a pain in the butt.
The wiring harness runs underneath the engine, such a bad design for the 98 Mach Z.. they are known for wiring issues but I couldn't resist getting one my Dad had one when they were relatively new when I was young so it's nostalgia.. the way they look is just awesome. Hope you gets lots of snow too man!
I use Amsoil
Hi Joz! Thanks for sharing. Hope you're getting snow.
We have way more at home in far northern ND, I live out west in Williston and don't have much but I'm too excited so just have to do with what we got but have another Christmas Snow Storm coming so we should get more
I have found ams oil smells really strong and people behind me don't appreciate it much. But seems to work well haha
@@TheLilbenjamin I start getting a headache when I follow amsoil users but yeah I definitely have faith in amsoil.
@@MyOldSled The Motomaster brand is the exact same oil as the Shell oil. It comes out of the exact same Shell refinery in Alberta. The advantage to mineral oil is that the mineral in the oil will fill the pours in the metal of your cylinder/ piston walls and provide a tighter seal. I always run a tank of mineral oil at the start of the season and change to full synthetic for the rest.
I don't know what oil the 2 guys used that I bought the Sleds from. I use the mineral oil that bombardier makes. 95 Formula S 380 and 96 Formula SL. Is that a good oil to use? Thanks
Sure. A lot of guys run mineral oil in their sleds. Like i said, my choice is the synthetic, but it's quite a bit more expensive.
My Old Sled Thank you very much. love the videos
Thanks for taking the time to comment, glad you're enjoying them.
My Old Sled Do you happen to have a video of you doing Replacement bogie wheels on inside of track? I need to do mine on the 95
Yes, I do. ua-cam.com/video/nd07rhqRN30/v-deo.html
I Use klotz in my Polaris RMK 600 really good oil
Thanks for watching and commenting.
u r very comfy in front of camera, were u ever on tv or news or communications or something?
Hi Joe. Yes, marketing, communications background, tons of public speaking. Really shy by nature once upon a time - amazing what we can learn to do.
Brp is ripping you off with their oil. You have to know that if they get into selling oil its for the$$$.
Mystic meets their warranty standards and is wayyy cheaper. If the oil conforms to warranty that is all you needs to know
Hi Refzz. Thanks for watching and commenting.
can i put that shell oil in my 1998 arctic cat panther 440 f/c
Yep I think that’s a 2 stroke with oil injection.
My new sled
Hmmm, doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
Can you use 500 in a 2 stroke engine skidoo
500?
Where about do you live in Ontario I also live in Ontario and it would be really cool if we could get out and ride one winter
Would really like to meet you love your videos keep up the good work
Thanks RB. Sorry for the delay I was out of town. I am in district 9 near Wiarton.
My Old Sled
Ok nice if I get a sled that is good for long rides maybe we can ride together one winter because I am about 2 1/2 hours away
Good videos keep up the good work
Try WALMART for SHELL ADVANCE ULTRA only $43. Canadian tire costs $58. ? I use Shell in my 2007 Rev Renegade 600sdi ! Skidoo oil XPS oil smells bad, my son runs it in his 2005 rev 600sdi
I bought a 20 yr old skidoo last season and over the summer I replaced all lubricants with OEM so that I had a starting point for maintenance. My sled smokes a lot when first starting it. After it warms up it's not too bad. How does one know if your sled is smoking too much. Are there any adjustments I can make to reduce smoking.
Mauri
They smoke a fair bit until they warm up.
First time snowmobiler here! Just picked up a 2001 MXZ 800 and its a still question but do I need to mix gas before putting it in the gas tank or is there an oil injector that will mix the gas?
Your sled has an oil injection system. If you look on the right hand side of the engine, there is a tank for your injector oil. Unless someones modified the sled, you dont have to mix.
@@MyOldSled I appreciate the Response! Keep up the great videos, very informative.
Mine is a 1996 grand touring 580 oil injected so what oil do I use in mine?
I would run a synthetic. I think its pretty much the same as my 670. I would recommend you find a manual online for your sled and purchase it. Just google "manual for [sled model] " I buy service and owners manual, but at least owners or operators manual is a must have in my opinion. It will tell you things like this as well as what kind of maintenance items you should be doing.
@@MyOldSled I'm the same guy that asked u about my compression I got it fixed btw and thanks
How did you fix it?
@@MyOldSled it needed a new fly wheel new clutch boggie wheels battery recoil spring the coolant hose was loose so I just ordered the parts and got a guy to install them for me did all that for 500$
I run the supertech Walmart oil had no problems with it
I recently bought a 1998 ski doo. I'm replacing all fluids and filters for a fresh start since I don't know when the previous owner did this. There's a possibility the previous owner used mineral injector oil but I really don't know for sure. I plan to use XPS synthetic. In your opinion if I drain the oil tank before using the synthetic, would this be ok.
I would think it should be fine. I would get as much as I can out just to be safe. Not sure what model you have, but is there an inline filter on the oil line? If so, good opportunity to change that. and you can drain the old oil out at the same time.
Yes there is an oil filter which I plan to replace.
Thx Dave
NP. Check with your dealer whenever in doubt, but if it was me, that's what I'd do.
New to sleds and I been using tcw3 oil in my 1999 skidoo formula dlx 380 for the first 3 days I owned it now I'm told I shouldn't use it any suggestions?
What color is the XPS synthetic?
Hi Ethan. The XPS is a reddish color,
Though Ive never heard od anyone having big time issues, you shoud be aware that the shell oil is a TCw-3 i oili believe which rotax doesnt recommend in a lot of their engines. Chech the bottle it's TC... something and compare it against the owners manual just to be sure. Ive run into this with skidoo and sea doo products.
HI Urmom... Thanks for the post. The label on the Shell Advance Snow Ultra I was holding in my video does not list TC-W3, (just double checked) but it does reference API TC. API TC is a certification for two-stroke oils based on detergent performance, dispersion, and anti-oxidation. I believe TC-W3 is a standard for oil specially designed for use in outboard motors. Shell Advance Snow Ultra recommended applications are "high performance/output 2-stroke snowmobile engines including those with variable exhaust systems such as RAVE*, pre-mix and direct oil injection systems." Also, states "Meets all major snowmobile manufacturers recommendations including Arctic Cat, Bombardier, Polaris,Yamaha"
The newer manuals reference "Do not use NMMA TC-W,TC-2 or TC-W3 outboard two-stroke engine oils..." My manual says Use Bombardier Snowmobile injection oil, or substitute Blizzard Oil.
Good stuff. I may have been thinking of the semi synthetic shell oil or the regular stuff. There is one version of the shell whic I had on the shelf at home, and was branded for snowmobiles, had a TC-W rating. WHen reading up on this I found that oils with the certifications listed above may not provide optimal lubrication due to higher cylinder wall temps during operation in comparison to some other engines.
\Either way, its somehting to be aware of when choosing an Oil and it the reaso I've moved away from Shell. Mystic has been a great alternative and is much less expensive than the BRP XPS oils
Just a matter of paying attention and buying the correct product. Mystic also makes a TC-W3 oil, so likewise, you'd need to make sure you didn't buy that one for the wrong application.
Do u think be ok to switch a sled from mineral oil to syth oil if sled always used mineral? thanks
It's a 99 mxz 600
I would. I would probably run the reservoir empty or drain it rather than mix them, if it was me.
My Old Sled Thanks man Love the videos
If you have power valves you need good synthetic oil old fan cooled sleds probably don't need it but in all are sleds we run Polaris ves gold except in my iqr I like to run amsoil dominater because it's a race motor
Thanks for the comment Ablink. I would run synthetic in any machine I ride.
+My Old Sled yup
Castrol super 2 stroke all the way
Hi, Rowan. I used that in both of my lawn mowers in the spring...it's cheap and widely available.
What oil do i use in Mxz 700
Said pretty much everything in the video. I always recommend you use a quality synthetic oil.
I use ECHO 2 stroke.
xps all the way
I get marine injection oil, same quality and way cheaper
Not made for low Temps or high rpm. Might not be hurting your engine, but probably not the best idea
It’s not about the quality of the oil, it’s about the specific formulation of marine oil. Two-stroke outboard motors run at much lower temperatures than snowmobile engines and operate at much lower RPM. Specific formulas are used at lower temps to reduce engine deposits and spark plug fouling. Marine engines use “TC-W3” oils, an industry rating for outboard two-stroke oils. The detergents in marine oil are non-metallic and don’t generate the same ash deposits in the engine.
Snowmobiles engines run at much higher temperatures and RPM. I am not an engineer or a mechanic, but it does make sense to me that the two extremely different operating conditions would benefit from different formulations in oils. I don’t think it’s going to kill your sled, or you’ll see a massive difference in performance, but I think wear and the buildup of crud in the engine are reduced using the right oils. Some manufacturers specifically say not to use ashless or TC-W3 oils in their engines. I feel better spending a few bucks more and using oils that are recommended by manufacturer. Whatever you use, I hope you’re getting lots of snow. Looks like winter is starting.
amsoil sux.it clogged up my rave valves bad
I run klotz..44 bucks a gallon
Yeah
Ps here up north we have almost 1 foot of snow
Nice. Where up north?
Hello what is the best octane to run in your sled
I always run premium in my sled (91?)
Ok thank you.
You're welcome dodge. Thanks for watching.
It depends. For example skidoo actually recommends regular (87) for the 550f motor but if you have a high compression motor or forced induction youre gonna probably need high octane or youll blow it up. Check with your manufacturer because high octane will never hurt your snowmachine but its a lot more expensive lol
Hi Brendan. Thats good advice. Most of the older BRP owners manuals say 87 OR HIGHER, and for some models, they will say specifically 91 or higher.
For all of the 87s, like mine it says specifically less than 10% ethanol. In newer sled, the computers may adjust ignition timing and fuel ratios to compensate for poorer fuel so you probably wouldn't hurt anything.
Best choice is always manufacturer recommendation. A lot of people with older sleds don't have the manual. High octane fuels wont make it run any better if it was designed for 87, but it wont hurt. I never claim to be a snowmobile mechanic, but to me its like oil. Check the manual, and if you can't, then go with the best you can.
Who uses genuine manufacture oil for your car like GM, Toyota, or Honda and pay $6-$8/ 955ml per bottle?? If oil from after-market oil states JASO and/or ISO compatible(petroleum or synthetic), it’s completely safe and sometimes better to use. Manufacturers will state “their brand name” to continue profits. Bombardier oils are refined by Petro-Canada, which refines Motormaster, Valvoline, and Quakerstate. Final decision is yours.
XPS lubricants are manufactured by Lube Tech, in partnership with BRP and Rotax. You are right it is personal preference and my preference is the manufacturers recommendation. With the rising cost of two stroke oil, I hardly blame anyone for looking for cost effective options.
@@MyOldSled ....”refined” as Canada does not have much oil refineries as Lube Tech finds a refinery to make XPS products.....seeing 4 different manufacturer labels on four gallon pails being filled with 15W-40 oil from the same source. But I agree, synthetic burns cleaner & mixes better with gasoline(especially 94 octane from Petro-Can) in Rotax engines.
mmmmm...sorry. That's not how it works, or how synthetic two stroke oil is manufactured, but like I said in the video, everyone has a different opinion about 2 stroke oil...lots of factors go into what brand people choose. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
You should buy a new Polaris pro s 800
If I bought a new sled, I'd need to change the name of the channel... ;)
We're the Cree community's are
Yep, that is up North East of Superior right?
guess you havent tried Amsoil synthetic for snowmobile. can get it at rbmsynthetics.com
Hi Bobbie. No, I haven't. I know lots of guys like it and it's a widely available synthetic. I will probably stick with xps. Thanks for the info though.
And that's the smallest parts of snow
Beats XPS
BRP does not manufacture or blend their own lubricants, their branded oil is blended to match their design specs and bottled by a lubricant manufacturer (Citgo, Warren, Exxon etc.), the lowest bidder likely getting the contract and, can change supplier once the contract is up. Shell on the other hand have the capacities to design, blend and market their own product.
Hi Michel. Yep, as far as I know that's right. I did say in the video, BRP works with an oil manufacturing company to make XPS oil to their specs. I imagine they do review their contracts like most businesses, but I believe they have been working with the same company since 2008. Pretty common. I think Polaris has an oil with their brand on it, I think Yamaha has one, Mercury...its all pretty much the same. They just provide the specs that they expect for their products. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
I work for BRP in Valcourt,Quebec (Canada),the birthplace and the hometown of the Ski-doo snowmobile. True, at the BRP plant,we do not "BREW" our own oil. This being said, BRP's engineers work with well known oil manufactures to blend the BRP oil according to the Rotax engine's specs and tollerances. Rotax is owned by BRP inc., would they not know what is the better oil for their engines? Sometimes a Ski-doo is randomly " pulled " of the assembly line to be sent to the Engineering Department for testing and they put the engine through a series of grulling tests, one being how well their oil stands up to cold and heat. But don't worry, that snowmobile will never be sold to a customer. At BRP Ski-doo, we do the testing so that our customers can do the Ski-dooing ! ! As long as there will be snow, we will make Ski-doos ! ! !
@@rolandmetayer7210 - Roland, welcome to the channel. I've always believed BRP engineers would know best, that' why I use XPS products in my sled. I've had so much fun with your team's products. Thanks for watching, commenting, and making a great sled.
15w40 is the best to use...
Castor makes ski doo oil
Ive read online that Castrol manufactures xps, but I believe BRP Partners with US manufacturer Lubetech to manufacture xps lubricants to their specifications. Thanks for watching.
Bombardier makes her own oil? Umm no!
As with most products these days, many products or constituent parts are made under licence by a particular manufacturer. As I clarified at 4:24, in the case of XPS Oil, "An oil manufacturing partner works jointly with BRP and it's Rotax Powertrain engineers". In other words, they don't directly make it per se, its made to their specs. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks once agen lol
Did you see the test amsoil done vs BRPs XPS oil? here check it out ua-cam.com/video/adWCFScFJUY/v-deo.html
Your old beautiful 670 calls for mineral oil thou not synthetic
I'm sorry that is not correct KDawg. The recommended oil in the '97 manual is BOMBARDIER SNOWMOBILE INJECTION OIL (P/N 496 013300) a conventional 2 stroke oil. That PN is no longer available, BRP recommends XPS synthetic. The manual specifically states NOT to use mineral oil. Thanks for watching though.
Castro’s super snowmobile oil in our older 90 doos
@@MyOldSled I was mostly wanted to know iam down on Castrol and wanted to ride tomorrow but have jug of brp mineral oil so I think I’ll take qt with me for back up,everywhere close sold out of Castrol today sucks lol
Hi KDawg. All I can say is what I use, and what is recommended by BRP. Your comment was that my sled "calls for mineral oil" and as I said, that is incorrect. I always use synthetic oils in anything, and explained why in the video. You would be better off using conventional 2-stroke oil over mineral oil in this sled. A lot of people use a wide variety of oils in their sleds, and with the cost of 2-stroke oil, I can't blame them. You're right though, it is a beautiful old sled. Thanks for watching.
Availability is a good criteria when choosing a 2-stroke oil. You should never mix oils so thats a good reason to choose an oil that is available where you ride.