nope original aluminium MAXX R-hop nubs cant even touch the bucking :( and with MPLF and ASpro omega nub its shooting everywhere ... much worse then with TNT buckings ... so fck this bucking
-maxx unit -airtech studios m nub for the maxx unit - Mr hop bucking in accordance with the power level of the gun -edgi stainless steal 6.01mm inner That is literally an at home set up you can build, now we are talking about a very expensive inner but this all adds up to that lazer beam performance that we want. I same set is in my limited edition vfc m27 with a custom cut edgi 433mm barrel. First game with the gun built I was getting like 230ft effective range (bls .36g bb) through a 75° mr hop bucking. That's without the bucking being broken in, only put about 600 bbs through the gun that day. The gun clocked in at 1.6j 426fps after spring break in it should have me right at the 1.5j mark. The mr hop bucking is exactly what we need 🙌
@@shockwave.9749 yes but the new silicone is not as easy to fit correctly and BBs are more likely to go let or right so will be going back to non-silicone version.
Works well with PDI Raven 6.01 inner barrels, it has the same cut for hop window(or very close) as the Maple Leaf barrels. I think the PDI Raven wide bore, 6.10 has the same type of hop window as the Raven 6.01, so it should also be a nice fit for Maple Leaf MR hop rubbers.
This is also correct but, EPDM has good tear strength and is seen as the more durable rubber compared to silicone. However, silicone is more flexible and can be formulated to have very strong tear resistance and elongation,the elongation/stretching the patch seen from the bb pasning by it “pulling it” makes the silicone ideal, especially in colder weather where the brittle point is worse on the edpm. Also i do believe the silicone is of the HTV type, and has some additives in it aswell to increase wanted abilities 😊
I think you've got your facts round the wrong way. I'm having my own buckings made right now and EDPM is the more expensive material and more expensive to get molds made for than silicone - either way it's very close in terms of pricing. Also AST who make the Maple Leaf products charge more for the rubber than the silicone. I've also found that the EDPM is more resilient out of the 2, the silicone seems more prone to tearing. As for resetting, I've not noticed any differences (yet).
If you look under vid discription, it States its a silicone “alloy” to Make it simple. Price on the silicone and regular rubber bucking is the same for vendors. But silicone is a more expensive rubber of the two, a very simple Google search will broardly tell you that. I am a mould constructor/Engineer and the statement that edpm moulds are more expensive to make is just false, if you paid more thats on you, it requiers no special materials or tolerances that would trigger a jump in price.
@@reflexairsoft4648 I didn't see the description part, never heard of a silicon "alloy", all I can say is the 30 or so quotes I've had from manufacturers in the far east they always charge more for edpm molds, although the difference is very small, so small in fact it doesn't make any difference to the project. Yes price for vendors is the same, however wholesale AST still charge more for rubber than the silicone, maybe their production run or the number of cavities is smaller? I don't know, I work mostly at the retail end. Hey I'm not trying to detract from your knowledge of moulding construction etc, I'm just saying what I've experienced from the customer side of things. Since you work in the industry you never though about doing your own bucking? Nice vid though...we should chat sometime.
The alloy is just a lack of words, its more a mix in product. If you told a asian manufacturing company that you want a quote for a epdm mould, they know you are after that, and will charge you more, seen it so many times. Because they can just pull any number out their ass, trust me it is priced within the same 100usd I never wanted to Make buckings, as I feel the selection now is really good, also a Big german manufacture just released some new buckings im testing atm, and it seems that they are even better that maple leaf
@@reflexairsoft4648 a huge amount of my time is spent negotiating the price, it's very frustrating, but still their prices are so much lower than what I've found in the UK. Of course there's a huge amount of other factors, such a samples, quality and shipping etc but on the whole much cheaper. We shall see. What are these new German ones? Are you allowed to tell?
Yeah its from Begadi, its up one their web page, check it out. I will have a vid on them this week 👍 I know the back and forth with manufactures, I deal with that every day at work. Its not easy
Just had a Krytac upgraded to a DMR and they did everything except the hop up upgrade, leaving me with low range for a DMR. As this is something I am confident I can do myself, is this the go to final upgrade? Alongside the Maple Leaf omega nub. And is there anything else that needs doing, or is it just these 2 pieces?
I'm shooting at around 410fps and it struggles lifting .28s at the moment. The company who upgraded it said I need to use .25s, but being a DMR it should be shooting heavier with ease surely
Missing the videos - hope you are ok! Did you ever do any comparisons between the MR Hop and the Super Macaron? I found that single solenoid systems seems to prefer the "old" EPDM buckings, where as the dual solenoid, closed bolt systems works great with the new silicone buckings. Any thoughts?
I have a scorpion evo and was looking to upgrade to a super macaron and omega nub. Would you recommend picking this and picking up a Prometheus 208mm 6.03mm barrel over the macaron?
I have a question I've used these mr.hop buckings before and never had a good luck they always curve to the left like the patch on the inside wasn't made correctly is the silicone one an Improvement? Also the lips are too wide and my bbs go straight through when I tested it. Also it double fed a lot in my hpa. Is this happening to anyone else or am I stupid? Lol someone help me
good day did you have to widen the barrel window? i have the same barrel hopup and bucking setup and my gun shoots fine up to +-30m then my bbs curve to the left any idea what it might be? thats the prometheus 6.03 barrel maxx hop up and ml 60 bucking regards
and what happens when after replacing the factory rubber with mr hop maple leaf 70, it fires the first ball and the next one does not? looking through the window of the chamber, you can push the next balls with something narrow, as if the balls in the chamber did not catch up to the end
I’ve tried the silicone ones and I’ve had no luck with them. Matched with the Maxx me pro 6mm rhop nub and prommy Krytac barrel and they stick inside the hop up too much it’s a struggle to get them out along with them curving hard left. But switched to a diff bucking and it’s shooting straight again. I was really hoping the new material worked since it’s more durable
The MrHop Fits in 5mm windows, 6mm Nub should be way too big. Try again with a 4.5/5mm Nub (or the Omega Tensioner) and a ML Barrel (they got a extra cutout for that angle in the bucking). im using the 60° silicone one in 2 Guns with CNC Tonsioners and ML barrels
If I use one of these mr hop bucking in my flat hop set up (VFC rotary chamber) do you trim the inside “rhop” patch like any other flat hop set up or is this bucking meant to be good as is for a flat hop nub without bucking modification?
This is better than any flat hop i have tried, i would never Cut it. By flat hop nub, do you mean a nub with a flat bottom? If so, the mr hop and macron do not like that, they shoot alot better with a nub with a curved bottom
So will the Maxx r-hop nubs work with the MR. Hop bucking? Or is it best to use the Omega nub?
The original maxx aluminium nub works great, its only when i cant use a maxx unit (eg. any other hop unit) that i use omega nubs
@@reflexairsoft4648 Just what I needed to know. That will definitely save me a few extra dollars. Thanks for the info.
Sure man no problem, be sure to check out my maxx Unit vid, for installation 👍
@@reflexairsoft4648 goot to know, I am using MR hop now and Rhop nub from MAXX (in MAXX Hop unit)
nope original aluminium MAXX R-hop nubs cant even touch the bucking :( and with MPLF and ASpro omega nub its shooting everywhere ... much worse then with TNT buckings ... so fck this bucking
-maxx unit
-airtech studios m nub for the maxx unit
- Mr hop bucking in accordance with the power level of the gun
-edgi stainless steal 6.01mm inner
That is literally an at home set up you can build, now we are talking about a very expensive inner but this all adds up to that lazer beam performance that we want.
I same set is in my limited edition vfc m27 with a custom cut edgi 433mm barrel. First game with the gun built I was getting like 230ft effective range (bls .36g bb) through a 75° mr hop bucking. That's without the bucking being broken in, only put about 600 bbs through the gun that day. The gun clocked in at 1.6j 426fps after spring break in it should have me right at the 1.5j mark. The mr hop bucking is exactly what we need 🙌
MR Hop is my go-to bucking AEG and GBB pistol, just ordered some silicone buckings, cant wait to try them.
Do you like it over the autobot and deception?
@@shockwave.9749 yes but the new silicone is not as easy to fit correctly and BBs are more likely to go let or right so will be going back to non-silicone version.
@@HughJC you tested the silicone vs the epdm mr hop? The silicone version wasn’t as accurate?
@@ISF_Foo agreed not as good especially the 50 degree at 1 joule
Works well with PDI Raven 6.01 inner barrels, it has the same cut for hop window(or very close) as the Maple Leaf barrels. I think the PDI Raven wide bore, 6.10 has the same type of hop window as the Raven 6.01, so it should also be a nice fit for Maple Leaf MR hop rubbers.
Good info thanks 👍
Not to complain but you have a decent voice and you explain things very well so I feel like the music is pretty unnecessary.
I read from multiple rubber/silicone manufacturers' websites that silicone has worse abrasion resistance compared to EPDM
This is also correct but, EPDM has good tear strength and is seen as the more durable rubber compared to silicone. However, silicone is more flexible and can be formulated to have very strong tear resistance and elongation,the elongation/stretching the patch seen from the bb pasning by it “pulling it” makes the silicone ideal, especially in colder weather where the brittle point is worse on the edpm.
Also i do believe the silicone is of the HTV type, and has some additives in it aswell to increase wanted abilities 😊
@@reflexairsoft4648 Ah I see
Nice video, great to see you back man!😁
I think you've got your facts round the wrong way. I'm having my own buckings made right now and EDPM is the more expensive material and more expensive to get molds made for than silicone - either way it's very close in terms of pricing. Also AST who make the Maple Leaf products charge more for the rubber than the silicone. I've also found that the EDPM is more resilient out of the 2, the silicone seems more prone to tearing. As for resetting, I've not noticed any differences (yet).
If you look under vid discription, it States its a silicone “alloy” to Make it simple.
Price on the silicone and regular rubber bucking is the same for vendors. But silicone is a more expensive rubber of the two, a very simple Google search will broardly tell you that.
I am a mould constructor/Engineer and the statement that edpm moulds are more expensive to make is just false, if you paid more thats on you, it requiers no special materials or tolerances that would trigger a jump in price.
@@reflexairsoft4648 I didn't see the description part, never heard of a silicon "alloy", all I can say is the 30 or so quotes I've had from manufacturers in the far east they always charge more for edpm molds, although the difference is very small, so small in fact it doesn't make any difference to the project. Yes price for vendors is the same, however wholesale AST still charge more for rubber than the silicone, maybe their production run or the number of cavities is smaller? I don't know, I work mostly at the retail end.
Hey I'm not trying to detract from your knowledge of moulding construction etc, I'm just saying what I've experienced from the customer side of things.
Since you work in the industry you never though about doing your own bucking? Nice vid though...we should chat sometime.
The alloy is just a lack of words, its more a mix in product.
If you told a asian manufacturing company that you want a quote for a epdm mould, they know you are after that, and will charge you more, seen it so many times. Because they can just pull any number out their ass, trust me it is priced within the same 100usd
I never wanted to Make buckings, as I feel the selection now is really good, also a Big german manufacture just released some new buckings im testing atm, and it seems that they are even better that maple leaf
@@reflexairsoft4648 a huge amount of my time is spent negotiating the price, it's very frustrating, but still their prices are so much lower than what I've found in the UK. Of course there's a huge amount of other factors, such a samples, quality and shipping etc but on the whole much cheaper. We shall see. What are these new German ones? Are you allowed to tell?
Yeah its from Begadi, its up one their web page, check it out. I will have a vid on them this week 👍
I know the back and forth with manufactures, I deal with that every day at work. Its not easy
Just had a Krytac upgraded to a DMR and they did everything except the hop up upgrade, leaving me with low range for a DMR. As this is something I am confident I can do myself, is this the go to final upgrade? Alongside the Maple Leaf omega nub. And is there anything else that needs doing, or is it just these 2 pieces?
Depends on how hot and heavy you are shooting my guy
I'm shooting at around 410fps and it struggles lifting .28s at the moment. The company who upgraded it said I need to use .25s, but being a DMR it should be shooting heavier with ease surely
@@james9926317 check out jj moore and he ill probably help you, i dont know much but i know he knows a lot better
@@silentgaming9328 thanks man, I upgraded my hop to a maple leaf rubber and maple leaf omega nub and its firing amazing now. Something so little 👌
@@james9926317 great to know buddy, congrats!
Missing the videos - hope you are ok! Did you ever do any comparisons between the MR Hop and the Super Macaron? I found that single solenoid systems seems to prefer the "old" EPDM buckings, where as the dual solenoid, closed bolt systems works great with the new silicone buckings. Any thoughts?
note that silicone oil will be like a solvent to this... my silicon r hop patch ended up swelling up after oiling my cylinder and sitting
I'm gonna stick with the traditional material that maple leaf has been using. I do want to test the silicone thought.
I have a scorpion evo and was looking to upgrade to a super macaron and omega nub. Would you recommend picking this and picking up a Prometheus 208mm 6.03mm barrel over the macaron?
Hi, which one is better? Super macaron silicone or MR silicone rubbers?
Have you found out? I’m currently trying to find that out myself
is the Maple Leaf SUPER Silicone still better, is it the best?
I have a question I've used these mr.hop buckings before and never had a good luck they always curve to the left like the patch on the inside wasn't made correctly is the silicone one an Improvement? Also the lips are too wide and my bbs go straight through when I tested it. Also it double fed a lot in my hpa. Is this happening to anyone else or am I stupid? Lol someone help me
what would you reccoment for a maxx me pro, shooting at 300 fps, around 70*F, on a polarstar jack.
I have a stock krytac spr and wanted to upgrade for some time now. This bucking and a e prommy barrel. Would that do much diffrence?
good day did you have to widen the barrel window? i have the same barrel hopup and bucking setup and my gun shoots fine up to +-30m then my bbs curve to the left any idea what it might be? thats the prometheus 6.03 barrel maxx hop up and ml 60 bucking regards
Try a ML barrel. The bucking has an extra bevel that fits perfectly in the ML barrel. Barrels without this bevel may have your shot results.
and what happens when after replacing the factory rubber with mr hop maple leaf 70, it fires the first ball and the next one does not? looking through the window of the chamber, you can push the next balls with something narrow, as if the balls in the chamber did not catch up to the end
What’s the best barrel to put this bucking on .. those like the Prometheus would not work, right? (due to the “bridge”?)
The Prometheus AEG barrels work just fine, I have the MR hop and Prometheus returnR bright barrel in 2 guns, works great 👍
@@reflexairsoft4648 did you have to do any modifications to use thus with that barrel? Or simply drop in? :)
I’ve tried the silicone ones and I’ve had no luck with them. Matched with the Maxx me pro 6mm rhop nub and prommy Krytac barrel and they stick inside the hop up too much it’s a struggle to get them out along with them curving hard left. But switched to a diff bucking and it’s shooting straight again. I was really hoping the new material worked since it’s more durable
The MrHop Fits in 5mm windows, 6mm Nub should be way too big. Try again with a 4.5/5mm Nub (or the Omega Tensioner) and a ML Barrel (they got a extra cutout for that angle in the bucking). im using the 60° silicone one in 2 Guns with CNC Tonsioners and ML barrels
@@poggershonters36 Do you have a link to the maple leaf barrels that have the extra cutout? Struggling with how to search for it
If I use one of these mr hop bucking in my flat hop set up (VFC rotary chamber) do you trim the inside “rhop” patch like any other flat hop set up or is this bucking meant to be good as is for a flat hop nub without bucking modification?
This is better than any flat hop i have tried, i would never Cut it.
By flat hop nub, do you mean a nub with a flat bottom? If so, the mr hop and macron do not like that, they shoot alot better with a nub with a curved bottom
Ok perfect I won’t cut them. Yes I mean nubs with a flat bottom like as the prommy flat nub. So they work best with the maple leaf omega curbed nubs?
Yes they work best with the curved nub, the flat style nubs dont work well on these buckings
What is the difference between the super macaron vs the Mr hop?
Think I'm gonna get the gbbr version of this for the TM akm
På mr hop gummiet, skal man så slibe nubben væk når den skal flat/r-hoppes?
Det er spild at slibe et ml gummi, jeg ville vælge et modify flat hop gummi, the sætter du bare i uden at skulle slibe.
Mr gummiet er jo “r hop”
Which window works best in MR? 6mm, 7mm???
Is it true that they work with VSR barrels in AEG chambers? I want to try a Crazy Jet in my HPA system.
Never heard this, but i dont Think it would, the hot shot bucking From maple leaf is designed for an aplication like the one you mention
But will try it for you tomorrow
They do not work in a vsr style barrel
Which degree will be perfect for a hpa setup currently have a mcx vfc with a pdi 6.05 maxx with m nub running.32
What fps and engine and is it cold where you play?
What hop up chambers fit well with these without the need of sanding down the lips?
Maxx and retroarms are the only ones that i know of atm, that do not need sanding.
Krytacs drop right in no sanding at all. If that helps
I bought the pink one for my 435 fps bb gun. Is it okay?
Thats a little hard for my taste, are you running heavy bbs?
What nub do you pair with this???
Omega or concave 4.5/5mm CNC nub
They are not as good as the other ones. I prefer the TNT rubbers and the new Begadi rubbers for premium builds. All else is pretty much crap.
What bucking do you recommend for an indoor aeg with 1.1J and using .28-.3
60 until 1.5J / 110 m/s