Finally the message I’ve been looking for 🙌🏽 “No reason to spend a bunch of money if you’re only going out for a night or two”. I feel like so many camping channels insist I spend $200 on a sleeping pad, $400 on a tent and $500+ on the sleeping bag. Paul, you are my kind of camper ⛺️🙏🏼 so glad I found your channel
Now I'm surprised Paul that you haven't mentioned the airbed type that my dad bought for me when I was 8 years old, 59 years ago. Choice of colours (very important) green or blue. It took 3 hours to inflate by mouth (if you include the blackouts through lack of oxygen), was around 5 inches high when inflated, and had an integral pillow inflated separately. I tend not to use it now as each of the separate pockets have fused, and the odour coming from the inflation hole smells of Parmesan cheese and rats urine. An off-putting stink I know, but when inflating it whilst wearing a gas mask, you don't notice it that bad. 😄 Great review as always Paul. Thanks for doing what you do.
I made the mistake of taking one of those old 5" tall airbeds on a camping trip one autumn. I hadn't counted on the fact that with no baffling and it being so tall, there is room for convection currents inside the airbed. I woke up in the middle of the night freezing cold. Thankfully I had a scrappy bit of an old closed cell mat. Once that went underneath, I was both warm and comfy. It must have weighed several kilos, and needed it's own rucksac!!
Ive still got a Thermarest self inflating 3/4 mattress from the 90's still going strong. Bombproof in my experience. I recently bought the new thicker Prolite version as I'm getting older. Very happy and love the new valve. If its cold I take a closed cell foam sheet as well. I'm not interested in super lightweight stuff as I just take my time. Quiet, I don't slide around on it. very happy.
I've just bought a mattress pro comes with a pillow and has a 3.4 R value. Not self inflating but has 2 valves and seems really good as it packs down small 522g
I bought the Trekology UL80, was a really comfortable sleep but after a few uses it started deflating in the night. No leaks that I can find and tried using closed cell foam underneath because the R rating low but this hasn't helped keep the matt inflated. Was good for £40 but not worth it when you have to buy again very soon after.
I had a Gen 1 Thermarest Neoair (I got it back in 2010 or so) I used it for two or three years which was probably 10 to 12 trips. I used to inflate it with my breath. This older variety that I had was nearly transparent, and I never had issues with mold (I did store it unrolled with the valve open, just like I do with my self-inflating mattresses). What I did notice happen was the Mylar film inside did start to break down right near the valve.
I’ve used closed cell when I was younger. Moved into self inflating matts mid 1990s. Had an unfortunate leak with an old thermorest while in Iraq 2003. Found it deflated every morning. Bought last year a trekology UL80 to test the idea of air mats on the cheap. Liked it. Took delivery of a sparkling new Nemo tensor insulated in medium wide only today. But I’m not sure I’ll be using that any time soon. Unless it’s in the garden with the kids which is where I’m typing this from. We’re having our own adventures in our garden for the variety. Keep safe everyone.
I have a Campingaz Quickbed Compact Single bought in Lidl. 15cm thick inflated and very comfortable but very heavy ~1.5 kg. But excellent value for money as I'm a beginner in this field.
I have a thermarest neoair which I got on sale whilst on holiday in florida a few years ago for $30/£20! I love bargains me! Haha another one I use is the foil mat you mentioned. I actually buy those foil car windscreen covers! Just the right size & usually pay £2-£3
I’ve got the sea to summit ultralight insulated and I can’t imagine changing it for anything else. I did a lot of research before getting it. Everyone seems to go for the thermorest but it just doesn’t look that comfortable to me. Mine is up and running in less than a minute using the stuff sack inflator that comes with it, it’s cheaper than thermorest neoair (and wider) and I don’t touch or feel the ground at all. Really comfortable to just sit on as well. Love it.
Hi, I use the Outwell dream catcher 7.5 cm. I know it maybe on the heavier and larger side (it’s not exactly small) for those of you trying to carry all of your gear, but I (😂😂) am not one of those people. I prefer to pitch base camp and then walk on if you know what I mean. This self inflating mat is fantastic for warmth and comfort, the valve means you can have it however soft or hard you like. Sometimes I’m lying in bed at home and wish I could just get up and sleep on this thing, it seriously is that comfortable! I’m on my second one now, the first broke due to no fault of its own ( a friend jumped on it and split a tiny part of the seal next to the valve , which is understandable as it is not a bouncy castle) and I could not see how it could get better. So for those of you that want good value for money, this is it. As long as size isn’t a problem 😁😁 Hope that helps someone out there Thanks for reading and happy camping !
So comprehensive. I never would have thought to think about the noise a mat could make but you're right those louder ones would drive me insane. That air filling sack is really clever, never seen them before. You really did fill up 17 mins on this topic lol. Well done and thank you for sharing.
Great vid again Paul. What I like is that while you buy top quality gear you don’t try and convince everybody it’s the best option for them too. Like you said, if your not out often don’t spend the money on an Xlite etc. I’m currently using an Xlite and a Alpkit Skyhigh 700 all year round and I’m really happy with it. I will be adding a closed cell mat to my set up next winter just incase.
That’s sometimes my combo too. The skyehigh is still in my collection. Great bag. I don’t want to see anyone out of pocket unnecessarily. The things we really need to go camping are different to stuff in my kit list. Thanks for watching
I got a vaude soave self inflating mat but that takes a few good breathes to get going, am looking for something just a little thicker so I can double it up so think I will try one of the air mattress, have seen one with built in foot pump which looks rather handy. Love my snugpack softie elite 4 sleeping bag. I am extremely cold sleeper but always nice and warm in that bag, I always use a cotton liner as its easier to wash the liner rather than the bag. Bought a fleece liner but haven't needed to use it yet.... Happy camping everyone.
I’ve just bought a Vango trek 3. Very comfortable and feels strong and well made for the price (I paid only £35). A major upgrade in comfort from my old closed cell foam pad but pretty heavy. Kept me very warm on a recent trip
I'm looking at sleeping setups (first time wild camping) Do you think I would need an insulation. Or camping mat layer as well as a self inflating mat?
Definitely an upgrade...but IMO Vango, although great, is no Brad Pitt. Vango is more like, Vin Diesel... Heh What we deserve is a George Cloony! The therma-rest george cloony!!
Yeah, I got a Vango as an upgrade from the closed cell a few years ago and never looked back. Would highly recommend. I am in the market for something new, well ideally lighter and smaller for a longer trip I have planned and I think I will stick with the self inflating just because if it does puncture it is still usable over an air mattress.
Nice. I bought my first Exped donkey's years ago, but the valve system let me down. Then they came out with a different style valve...so I was able to part exchange to the newer version. I camp regularly and have used the mat endless times over the years I've owned it, however, I'm now looking for an extra layer for stony areas...and came across this review whilst searching for a self inflating style mat to use as a kneeling pad but also for an additional comfort layer. This said I paid £80 or thereabouts for the exped initially, and in terms of warmth and comfort...its never let me down. I'd rather pay £80 for something that's lasted me a good 15+ years than £12.00 a year on some supermarket blow up bed.
I went on my first wild camp in years last night.. went to my local woodland.. it rained, and rained and rained some more but i loved it. I used a trekology ul80 for the first time and must say it was very comfortable.
When you're a beginner you have to know what's most important. Having a good sleep at night is very important. So buy a good sleeping mat and sleeping bag. It's even more important than the tent!
Paul i love your camping tips on everything to do with wild camping, I just starting out wild camping and was not sure what to buy and after watching many of your video's i purchased a roban starlight 2 and some decent tent pegs, I was looking at the mats and sleeping bags recently and i purchased a small meths burner that you purchased when you first started camping, Thank you for the great content and advise on your youtube channel.
Great video again Paul. I've got a cheap £25 air matress which is fine for summer, but recently invested in the Sea to Summit Comfort Light Insulated and it's an absolute dream for a side sleeper. Comes with an integrated pump sack bag too. I'm 6' 2" and the regular size is fine.
I got tentipi 7 so I'm not going to be backpacking. My Vango trek5 sleeping pad is fine for the cost £35, but aged 62 I'm tempted to go for more comfort & higher R value. I got tentipi 7 so I'm not going to be backpacking, but last weeks lockdown garden camp showed -11C next morning. I'll be car or boat based camping, so thermarest Xtherm or even bigger mondoking looks comfy & warm. Thanks for your time & efforts, much apreciated.
Hi Paul, I use a Sea to Summit comfort light insulated. It weighs a hefty 680gm, but it’s the long version and it’s really comfortable. Being a side sleeper I’ve never had a bad night on this pad. The stuff sack also can inflate the pad, which is really handy.
Basic foam works great in summer, especially If you can pick your own camping spot (soft ground). This is the reason I like tarp+bivy, picking the ideal site. I have put in an order for self inflating mats, because I just do not sleep well on air mats. Been using the synmat 7 for years but never really became friends with it. I have a theory that self inflating will be better because I sleep really well on basic foam, tho some more comfort would be appreciated when camping with a bigger tent and the ideal soft bit of ground can’t be had. The one coming is a pro trail, same thickness and weight more or less the same as the synmat 7.
Hi Paul, Another great video. Thank you. I started out with a Karrimor Z Pad. Durable but too uncomfortable, as I'm a side sleeper. I then bought a Vango Ultralite Fill self-inflating pad. Better, but had to over-inflate it a bit to get anywhere near comfortable. Fast-forward a few years and I'm using a Sea to Summit Ether Light XT. Amazing difference. Really love the litte pillow lock velcro tabs too, which stops my Aeros pillow slipping off the sleeping pad, especially when my head is inside the sleeping bag hood.
I’ve just bought a 15mm thick yoga mat and I’m planning to glue it to a thin 5mm sleeping mat and see how it fairs. It will be a bit bulky but I don’t mind that as it’ll still weigh nowt. I tend to prioritise reliability over comfort but I thought this might tick both boxes. Anyway less than 20 quid to find out.
First time camper. Just got the Trekology UL80 pad, Aluft 2.0 pillow and FlexTailGear Tiny Pump X (the pump fully inflates the pad in no time at all). I'm waiting for a Coleman Darwin 2 tent and Rumpl Nanoloft travel blanket to arrive so I can begin paragliding adventures around the country during the milder weather.
Good video, I've been using a duo Exped UL for 2 years. It was expensive but has provided warm comfortable sleep so worth the cash. In the summer I can sleep with a cheap bag or liner. I'd buy again.
Hi Paul, I use a sea to summit comfort + , it weighs in at 785g so a little bit on the heavy side, r- value 5.0 . Can honestly say it is the most comfortable air mat I have use and not as loud to sleep on as my old thermarest. Blows up both sides, so if bottom gets a puncture won't end up on the floor. Very pleased with mine.
Great video, Paul. I think value for money needs to include quality of sleep, as many people I know are interested in camping but get worn down by uncomfortable nights' sleep and ultimately put off by it. I think people who don't camp very often would need the comfort of Exped/Therm-a-rest more than those that are more experienced, though I take your point that saying you need to spend £150 on a good mattress to a beginner will not go down well. Though knowing my own journey through closed-cell foam mattresses, thicker closed-cell foam mattresses, self-inflating mattress, thicker self-inflating mattress and finally an Exped mattress, all in the pursuit of actual comfort and quality of sleep, means that I wish I would have saved the money and just gone straight to Exped. Cheers
I've used a Thermarest Trail Comfort (Large) for nearly a decade now. I only camp 3-4 times a year, and I don't backpack but I'm still conscious of the space my "mattress" takes up when packing. It's served me well, always stored out of the bag as you say. Looking at these new air mats though I do think when it finally gives up I'll be looking at one of those.
I have the gooutdoors blue basic self inflating one , cons it's quite narrow and I have been improving the insulation by placing a basic foam roll met underneath, you need more insulation under these as you tend to get damp and cold coming up from the ground. Pros it's cheap and quite robust I've had it about 3 years no problems. It is what it is.
After years of lower costing mats used for campsites and car camping I've just purchased the exped ul 7 for some trekking adventures. Delighted so far, thanks for the videos.
I spent some time deciding what pad to buy, and in the end I went for the Sea to Summit ComfortLight insulated. At 620 grams plus 57 grams for the pump sack, it is not the lightest, but it is certainly not the heaviest. However, it strikes a good balance of comfort, warmth, and durability. And a sale made it cheaper than the Sea to Summit UltraLight insulated, which I had intended to purchase.
Hello Paul. I have the Thermarest Neo air max and use it most of the time. Now I'm after the updated version with the new valve. It looks very good. Thanks Steve.
Just recently bought two multimat trekker thermals for under our self inflating pads. Using inside the cloud peak 2 and needed to cut them slightly to fit in side by side. Now we have a fully insulated floor inside the tent.
Nice one Paul. I have an Exped downmat 9. It’s warmer and more comfortable than my Thermarest NeoAir XLite, but I usually take the Thermarest as it’s much lighter and less bulky.
currently using the Australian Brand "Sea to Summit" Comfort Light Insulated. it is expensive but buy it at the end of season on sale, ready for next year. Have been using it for Bike packing. a real bonus is that the cover bag is used to inflate the mat. very light and is warm.
I'm using the Sea to Summit Etherlite XT (insulated one). It is the first decent mat I've ever used. I broke out into a cold sweat paying for it but it is extremely comfortable. Just to be on the safe side I use a cheap closed cell foam mat beneath in winter. Prior to this I used an Alpkit Cloudbase. Really it wasn't very good. I was very cold using it one night in May in 2018 and lost faith in it quickly. Great film Paul. Best wishes, Chris
Hi Chris. That's why I got rid of my cloudbase. It was comfortable but as you say it wasn't very warm. I'm getting more and more tempted by the sea to summit pads. Thanks for watching
Exactly the journey I've gone through Thermarest Z lite SOL Thermarest Prolite Alpkit Dumo Sea to Summit Comfort Regular Sea to Summit Ultralight Insulated I bought the STS mats mostly for a couple of reasons: the valve (sits flat, doesnt stick out), and the baffle/pillow design (I was son happy with the horizontal baffles on the Dumo, assumed Thermarest mats would be similar); this baffle design creates pockets of air that your bag can loft into. Also, the Comfort Regular has two layers of 'pillows' (and two valves, top and bottom), which means you can really adjust the firmness and comfort level. Highly recommended (if a bit heavy)
I bought a Thermarest 3/4 length in the 90s to do the West Highland way and I'm still using it now nearly 30 years later. I think I paid around £70 pounds for it expensive at the time but at £2.50 a year a bargain. One of the best features is it rolls into it's own bag about 220mm x 140mm.
Thermarest Prolite Plus Small has been my default for many years. Very happy with it. Seems tougher than neoair or exped but still comfy enough- for me anyway.
The prolite is a very good pad mate. The self inflating pads are a bit more sturdy than the air only pads. A little less comfortable though IMO. Thanks for watching
Thermarest x-lite reg.wide. I love the extra width and is very comfortable. I had it out last weekend around 40 degrees F. Great pad. A little noisy but not really a bother.
I changed my mind 3 times already about what mattress is the best. I had two inflate mattresses and both got punctured eventually. so right now Im with the rolled foam simple mattress.
Thanks as always Paul. Another tip to make self inflatable foam more comfy for side sleepers especially is to very quickly scrape away a rough circular hole/indent under tent about an inch thick ( at mid point) and 10 - 12 inch in diameter. You can mark this centre point of hole/your body on your tent foot print for future use as well. Added advantage of this is if your mat burst at night say you can stuff some bubble wrap u may carry, spare soft clothes or where available a slightly inflated cycle inner tube formed into an S shape ( to balance the air) under your mattress and closed cell. I've done all these things over the years and certainly more comfy than firm ground in all eventualities. Also since only a shell scrape it doesn't compromise the floor material etc of your tent.
@@PaulMessner hey Paul my pleasure mate and hoping someone may find it of use if their mattress bursts and either difficult to replace or fix mid trail. Have other field fixes for different equipment that I'll try and add when I find an appropriate video you're doing over time. You take too, cheers Keith
I’m more of a bushcraft man myself but after my dofe sliver award and these video it has really opened my eyes about different styles of camping I have also subscribed to see what happens next. Your tips and advice where very intuitive so thanks Paul 🙃
Hey Paul, we have both an alpkit Numo pad and the exped synmat winter. Switched to these after using self inlfating mats. Much more comfy and lighter weight. The numo we have had for 2 years now and they have both started to leak around the seams how ever alpkit did send repair sealer to fix this. The Exped mats were expensive but are extremely comfortable and has a pump sack which saves alot of work and is a lot warmer in the winter.
The older I get the whimpier I get, particularly as a side sleeper. If I can, take two pads. A closed cell foam on bottom like the thermarest ridgerest, and an inflatable on top. Comfortable for side sleepers and winter suitable. Thermarest also makes a 2.5-3.0 inch thick self-inflatable pad “trail pro” that is quite comfortable and suitable for four seasons. Downside is it is fairly bulky for backpacking.
Excellent video again Paul, great advice for those that want to learn more about the kit we own or may want to buy. Great series so far, and a welcome diversion from the doom and gloom surrounding us. Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge Paul 👌
Another great video Paul, thank you I've recently bought the sea to summit ultralight insulated mat, first impressions are good, very comfortable, great inflation system and slightly wider then the thermarest.
That foil blanket is allways part of my pack and just saved my ass from freezing this weekend. There's nothing more versatile at that weight than this cheap foil blanket.
i use a lomo folding closed cell foam mat (like the z-lite only cheaper) underneath an ME self inflating mat, forget the name/specs but its the £45 one the sell at cotswold. Perfect for comfort and cold weather
I have and use the sea to summit comfort plus with an R value of 5. It is without doubt the most comfortable mat I've used, but it weighs over 3 time more than the neo air. Due to this reason I use it for winter only, but it's an awsome mat for both comfort and warmth. Its weight is 1229g with its airstream stuff sack, also it is the large size
I have a klymit pad non insulated which I put on top of a thermerest zlite. On top I put an emergency blanket to mimic the thermerest . That all goes in an army bivvi bag. A cheaper way for me sleep on the ground. I would love the thermerest or other expensive sleep pads but I make do with what I got. After I get the lanshan 2 I will save up for the snugpak tactical 3 for winter then maybe a thermerest or insulated klymit sleeping pad. X
This is really helpful. I've been going round in circles! I have a decent sleeping bag but an old thermarest. The mat is comfortable but when packed down is big and I want everything in a 35 litre bag. Think I'll give a cheap air mat and insulated mat combo a go for a lighter and more compact option
@@PaulMessner I only have a 35l bag and don't want to buy another basically! I'm petite so that size bag is big enough for my size, it's comfy too. I've got a Phoxx I, decent down sleeping bag and will get a cheap decathlon air mat and the summit insulated mat as per your suggestion. My plan was/is to hike the Pennine Way in sections so I want to travel to my starting point the night before, camp, then do a decent hike the next day. Was ready to start the weekend lockdown came in to action!
@@nicolabarnes7056 bad luck! I had done 3 days of the Pennine Way by lockdown and had to escape back home (down south) on lockdown night - gutted to miss all that dry weather! Hoping to do some more very soon...
I opted for a thermarest prolite small size self inflating mat which is 3/4 length, and then a full length 4mm thick closed cell foam mat under that. The foam mat is great for use if you're laying outside the tent, kneeling on etc and provides protection for the self inflating mat and extra comfort/insulation. Both together weigh around 450g. Have used it for several nights in the New Forest and works great for me.
In my first year of camping, I had used a closed-cell foam Therm-a-Rest RidgeRest SOLite Sleeping Pad and a small drybag as a pillow. I had a bit of trouble sleeping at times. In my second year, I added on top of the closed-cell foam pad a Stoik'D Self-Inflating Sleeping Pad and an actual camp pillow Sea to Summit Aeros Pillow Premium. I had slept like a baby in its mother's arms.
Hi Paul, I used a air mattress by Jokel on the WHW last October. i found it comfortable enough but one night at Bridge of Orchy it dropped to 4'c and it seemed the mattress deflated. The next day I bought a cheep closed mat which made a big difference. I have since bought silver coated mat from Decathlon, have still to try it our but doesn't get that cold here in Malta. Cheers stay save and well.
Hi Paul I have the thermarest closed cell z light which I find quite comfortable just the bulk which can be a problem when trying to find the best way to put it on your pack, also have the thermarest neo adventure very comfortable and packable but like u explained there is a chance of popping it and its very noisy, and takes a while to Set up and to take all the air out, while the z lite is quick set up and take down. Great video by the way 👌
That's why I picked up the big agnes mat. I put it inside my pack, let it unroll as much as it can and then put my gear in the middle. You can do this with the zlite but its a liitle harder with a folding mat. Thanks for watching
Im a side sleeper, and when i was younger, i slept just fine on closed cell foam pads. I tested it out again in my home recently, and the first night, i woke up several times and had to move around because it felt too hard on the hip and rib cage area. But i was not ready to give up, and tried it again after a few days, thinking maybe i just had to get used to it - and this night i slept much better, and didnt wake up a single time. Think im gonna have to try it again tonight, and see if i can get more used to it, because i really like that it is so reliable, quick and easy to use, and doesnt require a groundsheet. I want to use it with my Hilleberg "Bivanorak", without a tarp, and im not sure how the inflateable pads handle getting wet in the rain night after night. I heard someone talk about some issues with the glue around the edges of their pad loosening up, so a big "balloon" popped out on the side. If anyone have any knowledge about this, please share..!
Great Video! I got myself a Trial Self-Inflating mat from Amazon a few years ago after my girlfriend and I had a terrible couple of nights using a air mattress. It's probably a bit too bulky for hiking but it's perfect for a camping.
I've had one of the first generation Neo Air pads for a good few years but it gave up the ghost last year when the baffles started to break down. It then turns the pad into a big bag of wind which cannot be slept on. Not a problem as it doesn't owe me anything but I decided to try a Nemo pad - wow, I am now a convert. It is light and came with an inflation bag and more importantly for me, it is much quieter and more comfortable than the Thermarest.
Hi Paul when I was in the army we used to cut down the sleeping mat as we found as long as you keep your core warm the legs would be fine . Top channel by the way 👍
Always good to see your vids Paul keep them coming got a lot of UA-cam time now. In regards to pads I’ve got the sea to summit comfort plus and love it dearly only draw back I’ve found is it’s pack size but well worth that for a great nights sleep beats my klymit static v hands down on comfort
Cheers Jerry. i think the next few vids will have to come from the garden :). You're one of many that recommends the S2S pads. I must try and get hold of one. Thanks for watching
I used the Hi-gear self inflatable mats but last time I could feel the ground with my hip as I am a side sleeper. We did a garden camp over Easter and I thought I'd do some experimenting. I doubled up with a cheap roll mat and it made a big difference. My next test is to try a foil windscreen sun visor for insulation under the mat. Great video
Great stuff as usual Paul , I grabbed a bargain off ebay the 2020 thermarest neoair xlite and I do believe its a little less crisp packet sounding than the old one and comes with the handy butterfly valve . However I binned the pumpsack and use my schnozzel bag instead as the one supplied kept poppping off . Take care atb Dave
Something I've don't think I've seen covered is how much air to put in an air mattress. Seems like (based on my limited experience) you want to pump them up pretty hard to maximize the air gap between you and the ground rather than inflating them softly for comfort. I think I've been under inflating mine because I was worried about popping it and getting cold as a result. I dunno if that's an idea for a video or something you've experimented with in past. But also, your videos have been super inspirational, so thanks for all the effort you put in!
Finally the message I’ve been looking for 🙌🏽 “No reason to spend a bunch of money if you’re only going out for a night or two”. I feel like so many camping channels insist I spend $200 on a sleeping pad, $400 on a tent and $500+ on the sleeping bag.
Paul, you are my kind of camper ⛺️🙏🏼 so glad I found your channel
I'm not a camping beginner but I'm just happy to see you and your laid back personality on my screen 😊👍
Thanks mate. Hope you liked the video.
So ur like a pro now right
Now I'm surprised Paul that you haven't mentioned the airbed type that my dad bought for me when I was 8 years old, 59 years ago. Choice of colours (very important) green or blue. It took 3 hours to inflate by mouth (if you include the blackouts through lack of oxygen), was around 5 inches high when inflated, and had an integral pillow inflated separately. I tend not to use it now as each of the separate pockets have fused, and the odour coming from the inflation hole smells of Parmesan cheese and rats urine. An off-putting stink I know, but when inflating it whilst wearing a gas mask, you don't notice it that bad. 😄
Great review as always Paul. Thanks for doing what you do.
I made the mistake of taking one of those old 5" tall airbeds on a camping trip one autumn. I hadn't counted on the fact that with no baffling and it being so tall, there is room for convection currents inside the airbed. I woke up in the middle of the night freezing cold. Thankfully I had a scrappy bit of an old closed cell mat. Once that went underneath, I was both warm and comfy. It must have weighed several kilos, and needed it's own rucksac!!
Gravitated to a Thermarest Prolite mat a few years ago and very please3d with its reliability,comfort and small pack size
Ive still got a Thermarest self inflating 3/4 mattress from the 90's still going strong. Bombproof in my experience. I recently bought the new thicker Prolite version as I'm getting older. Very happy and love the new valve. If its cold I take a closed cell foam sheet as well. I'm not interested in super lightweight stuff as I just take my time. Quiet, I don't slide around on it. very happy.
I spent nearly 8 years in our Army Reserve using a closed cell foam mat. I have seen air mattresses with an internal pump
I've just bought a mattress pro comes with a pillow and has a 3.4 R value. Not self inflating but has 2 valves and seems really good as it packs down small 522g
I bought the Trekology UL80, was a really comfortable sleep but after a few uses it started deflating in the night. No leaks that I can find and tried using closed cell foam underneath because the R rating low but this hasn't helped keep the matt inflated. Was good for £40 but not worth it when you have to buy again very soon after.
I had a Gen 1 Thermarest Neoair (I got it back in 2010 or so) I used it for two or three years which was probably 10 to 12 trips. I used to inflate it with my breath. This older variety that I had was nearly transparent, and I never had issues with mold (I did store it unrolled with the valve open, just like I do with my self-inflating mattresses). What I did notice happen was the Mylar film inside did start to break down right near the valve.
I have been using the bright yellow roll mats for the last 40 years in all terrains and seasons. In winter I put an extra barrier under the mat.
I’ve used closed cell when I was younger.
Moved into self inflating matts mid 1990s. Had an unfortunate leak with an old thermorest while in Iraq 2003. Found it deflated every morning.
Bought last year a trekology UL80 to test the idea of air mats on the cheap.
Liked it.
Took delivery of a sparkling new Nemo tensor insulated in medium wide only today.
But I’m not sure I’ll be using that any time soon.
Unless it’s in the garden with the kids which is where I’m typing this from.
We’re having our own adventures in our garden for the variety.
Keep safe everyone.
Let me know how you get on with the nemo. I think the garden is our playground for a little while to come so go test it out. Thanks for watching
Thanks
I have a Campingaz Quickbed Compact Single bought in Lidl. 15cm thick inflated and very comfortable but very heavy ~1.5 kg. But excellent value for money as I'm a beginner in this field.
Exped Downmat UL, Paria ReCharge XL, Paria ReCharge DW, Sea to Summit Etherlight XT.
And the Helinox Lite Cot
Every mat for every type of camping.
I love my mondo king xxl for car camping and the see the summit comfort light is my light weight choice
I have a thermarest neoair which I got on sale whilst on holiday in florida a few years ago for $30/£20!
I love bargains me! Haha another one I use is the foil mat you mentioned. I actually buy those foil car windscreen covers! Just the right size & usually pay £2-£3
You are absolutely right about the the noisy pats, I have nothing bad to say about the blowup z pat’s they are excellent 👍 greetings from the Yukon 🤗
I use a Hiipeak sleeping matress, £25, built in pillow, integrated foot pump and 830g. On the heavier side but very comfortable.
I’ve got the sea to summit ultralight insulated and I can’t imagine changing it for anything else. I did a lot of research before getting it. Everyone seems to go for the thermorest but it just doesn’t look that comfortable to me. Mine is up and running in less than a minute using the stuff sack inflator that comes with it, it’s cheaper than thermorest neoair (and wider) and I don’t touch or feel the ground at all. Really comfortable to just sit on as well. Love it.
Lots of shouts for the sea to summit. They do look very comfortable. Thanks for watching
Hi, I use the Outwell dream catcher 7.5 cm. I know it maybe on the heavier and larger side (it’s not exactly small) for those of you trying to carry all of your gear, but I (😂😂) am not one of those people. I prefer to pitch base camp and then walk on if you know what I mean. This self inflating mat is fantastic for warmth and comfort, the valve means you can have it however soft or hard you like. Sometimes I’m lying in bed at home and wish I could just get up and sleep on this thing, it seriously is that comfortable!
I’m on my second one now, the first broke due to no fault of its own ( a friend jumped on it and split a tiny part of the seal next to the valve , which is understandable as it is not a bouncy castle) and I could not see how it could get better.
So for those of you that want good value for money, this is it. As long as size isn’t a problem 😁😁
Hope that helps someone out there
Thanks for reading and happy camping !
So comprehensive. I never would have thought to think about the noise a mat could make but you're right those louder ones would drive me insane. That air filling sack is really clever, never seen them before. You really did fill up 17 mins on this topic lol. Well done and thank you for sharing.
Great vid again Paul. What I like is that while you buy top quality gear you don’t try and convince everybody it’s the best option for them too. Like you said, if your not out often don’t spend the money on an Xlite etc.
I’m currently using an Xlite and a Alpkit Skyhigh 700 all year round and I’m really happy with it. I will be adding a closed cell mat to my set up next winter just incase.
That’s sometimes my combo too. The skyehigh is still in my collection. Great bag. I don’t want to see anyone out of pocket unnecessarily. The things we really need to go camping are different to stuff in my kit list. Thanks for watching
I got a vaude soave self inflating mat but that takes a few good breathes to get going, am looking for something just a little thicker so I can double it up so think I will try one of the air mattress, have seen one with built in foot pump which looks rather handy. Love my snugpack softie elite 4 sleeping bag. I am extremely cold sleeper but always nice and warm in that bag, I always use a cotton liner as its easier to wash the liner rather than the bag. Bought a fleece liner but haven't needed to use it yet....
Happy camping everyone.
I'm thinking about a liner too
I’ve just bought a Vango trek 3. Very comfortable and feels strong and well made for the price (I paid only £35). A major upgrade in comfort from my old closed cell foam pad but pretty heavy. Kept me very warm on a recent trip
I'm looking at sleeping setups (first time wild camping) Do you think I would need an insulation. Or camping mat layer as well as a self inflating mat?
Definitely an upgrade...but IMO Vango, although great, is no Brad Pitt. Vango is more like, Vin Diesel... Heh
What we deserve is a George Cloony! The therma-rest george cloony!!
Yeah, I got a Vango as an upgrade from the closed cell a few years ago and never looked back. Would highly recommend. I am in the market for something new, well ideally lighter and smaller for a longer trip I have planned and I think I will stick with the self inflating just because if it does puncture it is still usable over an air mattress.
excellent reviews and demos...love how you give precise yet easy to understand pros and cons of each style of pads...Bravo !!!
Nice. I bought my first Exped donkey's years ago, but the valve system let me down. Then they came out with a different style valve...so I was able to part exchange to the newer version. I camp regularly and have used the mat endless times over the years I've owned it, however, I'm now looking for an extra layer for stony areas...and came across this review whilst searching for a self inflating style mat to use as a kneeling pad but also for an additional comfort layer. This said I paid £80 or thereabouts for the exped initially, and in terms of warmth and comfort...its never let me down. I'd rather pay £80 for something that's lasted me a good 15+ years than £12.00 a year on some supermarket blow up bed.
Love these posts, good honest reviews that suit all budgets. keep them coming👍
Any chance you will revive this series? Sleeping bag vid would be great! And maybe a cooking equipment guide?
Nice Video. Paul Messner is unpretentious, helpful, and pleasant to listen to.
I went on my first wild camp in years last night.. went to my local woodland.. it rained, and rained and rained some more but i loved it. I used a trekology ul80 for the first time and must say it was very comfortable.
Thanks we need more videos like this. As I’m interested in camping. And need to get the right stuff. 🏴👍⛺️
Glad you liked it. Hope you find the series useful
When you're a beginner you have to know what's most important. Having a good sleep at night is very important. So buy a good sleeping mat and sleeping bag. It's even more important than the tent!
Brilliantly done mate,
Thanks Dan. Like you it's videos from the garden for the time being. Keep em coming mate but most of all look after yourselves.
Paul i love your camping tips on everything to do with wild camping, I just starting out wild camping and was not sure what to buy and after watching many of your video's i purchased a roban starlight 2 and some decent tent pegs, I was looking at the mats and sleeping bags recently and i purchased a small meths burner that you purchased when you first started camping, Thank you for the great content and advise on your youtube channel.
Yess just out in the mountains noww! And it's going down on mee! 😂😬😬😬❤️⛰️
Great video again Paul. I've got a cheap £25 air matress which is fine for summer, but recently invested in the Sea to Summit Comfort Light Insulated and it's an absolute dream for a side sleeper. Comes with an integrated pump sack bag too. I'm 6' 2" and the regular size is fine.
I still want to check out the sea to summit pads. Thanks for watching
Sea to summit comfort light insulated is what I have. I highly recommend it.
That's the one I have my eye on. Thanks for watching
I got tentipi 7 so I'm not going to be backpacking. My Vango trek5 sleeping pad is fine for the cost £35, but aged 62 I'm tempted to go for more comfort & higher R value. I got tentipi 7 so I'm not going to be backpacking, but last weeks lockdown garden camp showed -11C next morning. I'll be car or boat based camping, so thermarest Xtherm or even bigger mondoking looks comfy & warm. Thanks for your time & efforts, much apreciated.
Hi Paul, I use a Sea to Summit comfort light insulated. It weighs a hefty 680gm, but it’s the long version and it’s really comfortable. Being a side sleeper I’ve never had a bad night on this pad. The stuff sack also can inflate the pad, which is really handy.
Thanks Jon. That's another vote i've received for the S2S. I need to look into these pads myself. Thanks for watching
Basic foam works great in summer, especially If you can pick your own camping spot (soft ground). This is the reason I like tarp+bivy, picking the ideal site. I have put in an order for self inflating mats, because I just do not sleep well on air mats. Been using the synmat 7 for years but never really became friends with it. I have a theory that self inflating will be better because I sleep really well on basic foam, tho some more comfort would be appreciated when camping with a bigger tent and the ideal soft bit of ground can’t be had. The one coming is a pro trail, same thickness and weight more or less the same as the synmat 7.
Hi Paul,
Another great video. Thank you.
I started out with a Karrimor Z Pad. Durable but too uncomfortable, as I'm a side sleeper. I then bought a Vango Ultralite Fill self-inflating pad. Better, but had to over-inflate it a bit to get anywhere near comfortable. Fast-forward a few years and I'm using a Sea to Summit Ether Light XT. Amazing difference. Really love the litte pillow lock velcro tabs too, which stops my Aeros pillow slipping off the sleeping pad, especially when my head is inside the sleeping bag hood.
I’ve just bought a 15mm thick yoga mat and I’m planning to glue it to a thin 5mm sleeping mat and see how it fairs. It will be a bit bulky but I don’t mind that as it’ll still weigh nowt. I tend to prioritise reliability over comfort but I thought this might tick both boxes. Anyway less than 20 quid to find out.
Have you though to bring your bed mattress with you ?
First time camper. Just got the Trekology UL80 pad, Aluft 2.0 pillow and FlexTailGear Tiny Pump X (the pump fully inflates the pad in no time at all). I'm waiting for a Coleman Darwin 2 tent and Rumpl Nanoloft travel blanket to arrive so I can begin paragliding adventures around the country during the milder weather.
Good video, I've been using a duo Exped UL for 2 years. It was expensive but has provided warm comfortable sleep so worth the cash. In the summer I can sleep with a cheap bag or liner. I'd buy again.
It definitely makes all the difference having a quality sleeping pad. Thanks for watching
Hi Paul, I use a sea to summit comfort + , it weighs in at 785g so a little bit on the heavy side, r- value 5.0 . Can honestly say it is the most comfortable air mat I have use and not as loud to sleep on as my old thermarest. Blows up both sides, so if bottom gets a puncture won't end up on the floor. Very pleased with mine.
They seem great with the 2 sided air system. I've heard they are the best for comfort hence wanting to try them for myself. Thanks for watching
Great video, Paul. I think value for money needs to include quality of sleep, as many people I know are interested in camping but get worn down by uncomfortable nights' sleep and ultimately put off by it. I think people who don't camp very often would need the comfort of Exped/Therm-a-rest more than those that are more experienced, though I take your point that saying you need to spend £150 on a good mattress to a beginner will not go down well. Though knowing my own journey through closed-cell foam mattresses, thicker closed-cell foam mattresses, self-inflating mattress, thicker self-inflating mattress and finally an Exped mattress, all in the pursuit of actual comfort and quality of sleep, means that I wish I would have saved the money and just gone straight to Exped. Cheers
I've used a Thermarest Trail Comfort (Large) for nearly a decade now. I only camp 3-4 times a year, and I don't backpack but I'm still conscious of the space my "mattress" takes up when packing. It's served me well, always stored out of the bag as you say. Looking at these new air mats though I do think when it finally gives up I'll be looking at one of those.
Great advice as always Paul. Lets just hope we get to use them sooner rather than later!
Stay safe people!
Lets hope the lockdown isnt extended. Thanks for watching
I have the gooutdoors blue basic self inflating one , cons it's quite narrow and I have been improving the insulation by placing a basic foam roll met underneath, you need more insulation under these as you tend to get damp and cold coming up from the ground. Pros it's cheap and quite robust I've had it about 3 years no problems. It is what it is.
Boom tingz! Good to have you back with some fresh content to ease the corona boredom.
Boomtingz indeed bro. Sick of being locked away. Glad you liked the vid. Thanks for watching. Laterz
After years of lower costing mats used for campsites and car camping I've just purchased the exped ul 7 for some trekking adventures. Delighted so far, thanks for the videos.
Thanks Paul! Missed some info about foil blanket. Bought similar intended for keeping frost from car windscreen. Haven't used it yet.
The foil mat is mentioned briefly. It does add a bit of extra insulation for very little weight. Thanks for watching
I spent some time deciding what pad to buy, and in the end I went for the Sea to Summit ComfortLight insulated. At 620 grams plus 57 grams for the pump sack, it is not the lightest, but it is certainly not the heaviest. However, it strikes a good balance of comfort, warmth, and durability. And a sale made it cheaper than the Sea to Summit UltraLight insulated, which I had intended to purchase.
Sounds a good bit of kit. Thanks for watching and taking time to leave a comment. It's much appreciated. Stay safe my friend
Hello Paul. I have the Thermarest Neo air max and use it most of the time. Now I'm after the updated version with the new valve. It looks very good. Thanks Steve.
Cheers Steve. I've not seen the new valve yet. I must check the newer stuff out. Thanks for watching
Just recently bought two multimat trekker thermals for under our self inflating pads. Using inside the cloud peak 2 and needed to cut them slightly to fit in side by side. Now we have a fully insulated floor inside the tent.
Nice one Paul. I have an Exped downmat 9. It’s warmer and more comfortable than my Thermarest NeoAir XLite, but I usually take the Thermarest as it’s much lighter and less bulky.
The downmats are very warm mate. I have exped synmat 7 which was warm but very bulky.
currently using the Australian Brand "Sea to Summit" Comfort Light Insulated. it is expensive but buy it at the end of season on sale, ready for next year. Have been using it for Bike packing. a real bonus is that the cover bag is used to inflate the mat. very light and is warm.
I'm using the Sea to Summit Etherlite XT (insulated one). It is the first decent mat I've ever used. I broke out into a cold sweat paying for it but it is extremely comfortable. Just to be on the safe side I use a cheap closed cell foam mat beneath in winter. Prior to this I used an Alpkit Cloudbase. Really it wasn't very good. I was very cold using it one night in May in 2018 and lost faith in it quickly. Great film Paul. Best wishes, Chris
Hi Chris. That's why I got rid of my cloudbase. It was comfortable but as you say it wasn't very warm. I'm getting more and more tempted by the sea to summit pads. Thanks for watching
Can't believe you showed us how to unroll the closed-cell mats! Made me laugh 😂
Exactly the journey I've gone through
Thermarest Z lite SOL
Thermarest Prolite
Alpkit Dumo
Sea to Summit Comfort Regular
Sea to Summit Ultralight Insulated
I bought the STS mats mostly for a couple of reasons: the valve (sits flat, doesnt stick out), and the baffle/pillow design (I was son happy with the horizontal baffles on the Dumo, assumed Thermarest mats would be similar); this baffle design creates pockets of air that your bag can loft into. Also, the Comfort Regular has two layers of 'pillows' (and two valves, top and bottom), which means you can really adjust the firmness and comfort level. Highly recommended (if a bit heavy)
I bought a Thermarest 3/4 length in the 90s to do the West Highland way and I'm still using it now nearly 30 years later. I think I paid around £70 pounds for it expensive at the time but at £2.50 a year a bargain. One of the best features is it rolls into it's own bag about 220mm x 140mm.
When you look at it that way it's superb value for money Gary Thanks for watching
Thermarest Prolite Plus Small has been my default for many years. Very happy with it. Seems tougher than neoair or exped but still comfy enough- for me anyway.
The prolite is a very good pad mate. The self inflating pads are a bit more sturdy than the air only pads. A little less comfortable though IMO. Thanks for watching
Thermarest x-lite reg.wide. I love the extra width and is very comfortable. I had it out last weekend around 40 degrees F. Great pad. A little noisy but not really a bother.
I changed my mind 3 times already about what mattress is the best. I had two inflate mattresses and both got punctured eventually. so right now Im with the rolled foam simple mattress.
Thanks as always Paul. Another tip to make self inflatable foam more comfy for side sleepers especially is to very quickly scrape away a rough circular hole/indent under tent about an inch thick ( at mid point) and 10 - 12 inch in diameter. You can mark this centre point of hole/your body on your tent foot print for future use as well. Added advantage of this is if your mat burst at night say you can stuff some bubble wrap u may carry, spare soft clothes or where available a slightly inflated cycle inner tube formed into an S shape ( to balance the air) under your mattress and closed cell. I've done all these things over the years and certainly more comfy than firm ground in all eventualities. Also since only a shell scrape it doesn't compromise the floor material etc of your tent.
Cheers Keith. Thanks for watching and taking time to leave a comment. It's much appreciated. Stay safe my friend
@@PaulMessner hey Paul my pleasure mate and hoping someone may find it of use if their mattress bursts and either difficult to replace or fix mid trail. Have other field fixes for different equipment that I'll try and add when I find an appropriate video you're doing over time. You take too, cheers Keith
I’m more of a bushcraft man myself but after my dofe sliver award and these video it has really opened my eyes about different styles of camping I have also subscribed to see what happens next. Your tips and advice where very intuitive so thanks Paul 🙃
Glad you liked the video. Thanks for watching and look after yourself my friend.
Will you update this?
It's good to remember that wild camping is not all about the expensive gear, nice little video for the new budget conscious 👍
Hey Paul, we have both an alpkit Numo pad and the exped synmat winter. Switched to these after using self inlfating mats. Much more comfy and lighter weight. The numo we have had for 2 years now and they have both started to leak around the seams how ever alpkit did send repair sealer to fix this. The Exped mats were expensive but are extremely comfortable and has a pump sack which saves alot of work and is a lot warmer in the winter.
The expeds are great. I've never had any issues with mine. Thanks for watching
The older I get the whimpier I get, particularly as a side sleeper. If I can, take two pads. A closed cell foam on bottom like the thermarest ridgerest, and an inflatable on top. Comfortable for side sleepers and winter suitable. Thermarest also makes a 2.5-3.0 inch thick self-inflatable pad “trail pro” that is quite comfortable and suitable for four seasons. Downside is it is fairly bulky for backpacking.
I use a nemo tensor long/wide and have had zero issues, though I do occasionally pair it with a thermarest z lite in winter.
Great video.
I use either an exped synmat 7 or two exped airmat 5.
I'm on the heavier side so two airmats gives me the best support for my back.
I had the synmat 7 LW. Super comfy. Thanks for watching
I’ve used a Thermarest Neoair xlight for some time now. Treated me great! First and only pad and havent had any run-ins since!
Great insulation and comfortable. Tougher than they look too. Thanks for watching
Excellent video again Paul, great advice for those that want to learn more about the kit we own or may want to buy. Great series so far, and a welcome diversion from the doom and gloom surrounding us. Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge Paul 👌
Thanks buddy. Unfortunately it looks like the garden is my playground for the time being. Take care mate.
@@PaulMessner you too Paul.
Another great video Paul, thank you
I've recently bought the sea to summit ultralight insulated mat, first impressions are good, very comfortable, great inflation system and slightly wider then the thermarest.
It's the extra width and comfort that appeals to me. Thanks for watching and for the info
That foil blanket is allways part of my pack and just saved my ass from freezing this weekend. There's nothing more versatile at that weight than this cheap foil blanket.
i use a lomo folding closed cell foam mat (like the z-lite only cheaper) underneath an ME self inflating mat, forget the name/specs but its the £45 one the sell at cotswold. Perfect for comfort and cold weather
I got one that looks very similar to your Exped. Was £15 from Lidl. Cheap but fine for me. Fab video, very comprehensive. Cheers.
I have and use the sea to summit comfort plus with an R value of 5. It is without doubt the most comfortable mat I've used, but it weighs over 3 time more than the neo air. Due to this reason I use it for winter only, but it's an awsome mat for both comfort and warmth. Its weight is 1229g with its airstream stuff sack, also it is the large size
Cheers Glyn. Thanks for watching and taking time to leave a comment. It's much appreciated. Stay safe
Being a side sleepers I just purchased a Robens primacore 90. It's comfy only time will tell if I made a good choice. Great work on the Video 👍
I've not seen that one John. I'm guess it's 9cm thick? Should be really comfy. Thanks for watching
I am using the Klymit insulated luxe. On the lower price range and 4.4 R-value. Great pad and great video. Really informative thanks
Hi Paul fantastic video. I am just getting kit together. To get out wild camping. I hope to get out most days.great info thanks for sharing...
I have a klymit pad non insulated which I put on top of a thermerest zlite. On top I put an emergency blanket to mimic the thermerest . That all goes in an army bivvi bag. A cheaper way for me sleep on the ground. I would love the thermerest or other expensive sleep pads but I make do with what I got. After I get the lanshan 2 I will save up for the snugpak tactical 3 for winter then maybe a thermerest or insulated klymit sleeping pad. X
This is really helpful. I've been going round in circles! I have a decent sleeping bag but an old thermarest. The mat is comfortable but when packed down is big and I want everything in a 35 litre bag. Think I'll give a cheap air mat and insulated mat combo a go for a lighter and more compact option
Glad you liked it Nicola. Which sleeping did you decide on 35l is good going to manage to get everything in. Thanks for watching
@@PaulMessner I only have a 35l bag and don't want to buy another basically! I'm petite so that size bag is big enough for my size, it's comfy too. I've got a Phoxx I, decent down sleeping bag and will get a cheap decathlon air mat and the summit insulated mat as per your suggestion. My plan was/is to hike the Pennine Way in sections so I want to travel to my starting point the night before, camp, then do a decent hike the next day. Was ready to start the weekend lockdown came in to action!
@@nicolabarnes7056 bad luck! I had done 3 days of the Pennine Way by lockdown and had to escape back home (down south) on lockdown night - gutted to miss all that dry weather! Hoping to do some more very soon...
I opted for a thermarest prolite small size self inflating mat which is 3/4 length, and then a full length 4mm thick closed cell foam mat under that. The foam mat is great for use if you're laying outside the tent, kneeling on etc and provides protection for the self inflating mat and extra comfort/insulation. Both together weigh around 450g. Have used it for several nights in the New Forest and works great for me.
I am using Alpkit cloud base mat very light and comfortable got in sale good price
Thanks for a good video Paul
The cloud base is very comfortable. They weren’t the warmest but great with another thin layer underneath
Because of your video, I now use my z-lite pad atop my 'go-kot', and I works quite well!
In my first year of camping, I had used a closed-cell foam Therm-a-Rest RidgeRest SOLite Sleeping Pad and a small drybag as a pillow. I had a bit of trouble sleeping at times. In my second year, I added on top of the closed-cell foam pad a Stoik'D Self-Inflating Sleeping Pad and an actual camp pillow Sea to Summit Aeros Pillow Premium. I had slept like a baby in its mother's arms.
Hi Paul, I used a air mattress by Jokel on the WHW last October. i found it comfortable enough but one night at Bridge of Orchy it dropped to 4'c and it seemed the mattress deflated. The next day I bought a cheep closed mat which made a big difference. I have since bought silver coated mat from Decathlon, have still to try it our but doesn't get that cold here in Malta. Cheers stay save and well.
Having the foam mat underneath will make a big difference. Thanks for watching
Hi Paul I have the thermarest closed cell z light which I find quite comfortable just the bulk which can be a problem when trying to find the best way to put it on your pack, also have the thermarest neo adventure very comfortable and packable but like u explained there is a chance of popping it and its very noisy, and takes a while to Set up and to take all the air out, while the z lite is quick set up and take down. Great video by the way 👌
That's why I picked up the big agnes mat. I put it inside my pack, let it unroll as much as it can and then put my gear in the middle. You can do this with the zlite but its a liitle harder with a folding mat. Thanks for watching
Im a side sleeper, and when i was younger, i slept just fine on closed cell foam pads. I tested it out again in my home recently, and the first night, i woke up several times and had to move around because it felt too hard on the hip and rib cage area. But i was not ready to give up, and tried it again after a few days, thinking maybe i just had to get used to it - and this night i slept much better, and didnt wake up a single time. Think im gonna have to try it again tonight, and see if i can get more used to it, because i really like that it is so reliable, quick and easy to use, and doesnt require a groundsheet. I want to use it with my Hilleberg "Bivanorak", without a tarp, and im not sure how the inflateable pads handle getting wet in the rain night after night. I heard someone talk about some issues with the glue around the edges of their pad loosening up, so a big "balloon" popped out on the side. If anyone have any knowledge about this, please share..!
Great Video!
I got myself a Trial Self-Inflating mat from Amazon a few years ago after my girlfriend and I had a terrible couple of nights using a air mattress. It's probably a bit too bulky for hiking but it's perfect for a camping.
I've had one of the first generation Neo Air pads for a good few years but it gave up the ghost last year when the baffles started to break down. It then turns the pad into a big bag of wind which cannot be slept on. Not a problem as it doesn't owe me anything but I decided to try a Nemo pad - wow, I am now a convert. It is light and came with an inflation bag and more importantly for me, it is much quieter and more comfortable than the Thermarest.
Hi Paul when I was in the army we used to cut down the sleeping mat as we found as long as you keep your core warm the legs would be fine . Top channel by the way 👍
Always good to see your vids Paul keep them coming got a lot of UA-cam time now. In regards to pads I’ve got the sea to summit comfort plus and love it dearly only draw back I’ve found is it’s pack size but well worth that for a great nights sleep beats my klymit static v hands down on comfort
Cheers Jerry. i think the next few vids will have to come from the garden :). You're one of many that recommends the S2S pads. I must try and get hold of one. Thanks for watching
The one with the ridges on the side is a good idea. I bought an inflatable that is comfy and warm but I rolled off it all night. Cheers , Paul
I used the Hi-gear self inflatable mats but last time I could feel the ground with my hip as I am a side sleeper. We did a garden camp over Easter and I thought I'd do some experimenting. I doubled up with a cheap roll mat and it made a big difference.
My next test is to try a foil windscreen sun visor for insulation under the mat.
Great video
Great stuff as usual Paul , I grabbed a bargain off ebay the 2020 thermarest neoair xlite and I do believe its a little less crisp packet sounding than the old one and comes with the handy butterfly valve . However I binned the pumpsack and use my schnozzel bag instead as the one supplied kept poppping off . Take care atb Dave
I've not seen the new valve system Dave. I've heard good things. Hopefully we can get out soon to start using our gear again. Stay safe buddy.
Excellent sleep pad primer! Wish I'd come across this when I was just starting out.
I use the Berghaus Peak Pro insulated air sleeping mat - lightweight and quick to blow up, no leaking in the night.
Something I've don't think I've seen covered is how much air to put in an air mattress. Seems like (based on my limited experience) you want to pump them up pretty hard to maximize the air gap between you and the ground rather than inflating them softly for comfort. I think I've been under inflating mine because I was worried about popping it and getting cold as a result. I dunno if that's an idea for a video or something you've experimented with in past. But also, your videos have been super inspirational, so thanks for all the effort you put in!
Thank you for that help I’m doing the Tommy sleep out and need a sleep mat but did not k ow what to get