As a small private school in South Korea, we are doing everything we can to stay future-proof. A.I. has become the fulcrum (at least in our vision) on which we are leveraging the entire business model.
Wouldn't people rather use Khan academy with the GPT based customized tutor? I can't see why someone would send a kid to public or private school, when you can learn anything by just speaking to your phone. I think we already have LLMs that can pass an IQ test like an average teacher. Within two years they're going to replace doctors and lawyers. If we are able to combine math with LLMs, then accountants, engineers, and eventually investors.
@@-whackd "I can't see why someone would send a kid to public or private school, when you can learn anything by just speaking to your phone." - Because a child doesn't have the discipline to learn all by himself with an AI. Schools teach first discipline. Also, schools is where most of the children socialize.
I wouldn't doubt that in the future, 1 South Korean school with AI can take on all of North Korean Command and its Military. Same with Taiwan on China and UA on RU. Israel on Iran, etc. Ever since Netyanyahu met with Elon Musk, it has been nuts over there. People shouldn't assume that a 1st-world intercept wouldn't occur disrupting that from happening (people taking over top military countries). There will always people to do dirty works and replacements of people who no longer fulfill certain requirements. If people want to figure out how to make the world work without contesting each other to death until people fight back, there would have to have AGI Super-intelligence that keeps people happy enough not to deploy Nuclear weapons that disrupts the free world of which is highly dependent upon trade across the world to survive. If WW3 were to truly breakout, BRICS would most likely be the winner which isn't good too possibly unless you are in a well-situated upper level Chinese Citizen.
Like anti-Vaxers, groups of people living in the modern time will still avoid one thing or another for one reason or another. There will be services that don't go out of business because they are human done and made, like the whole made in China vs made in USA.
Well, he can't say it any more clearly and succinctly than that. Is anyone else managing to feel bored waiting for something big to happen despite all the new stuff happening steadily every day?
I couldn't stand watching that Lex episode either so you're not alone 👍🏻 I appreciate your content. I wish I had intellectual friends here in northern utah that shared your pragmatic views and insights. Sadly this is mostly Trump country.
Personally I know a number of Trump supporters you might find intellectual affinity with when it comes to these topics. Widen your horizons a bit. Turn off the propaganda. Instantly you will have access to an entire universe of ideas not available to people who drink the kool-aide on any side of the debate.
Wow! David you make AI so understandable even compared to some big names out there who talk about AI. I really like your analogies they make so much sense. AI, the idea and impact is so encompassing that people often just let go of their minds and freeze or runaway. Your practical and logical explanation of AIs role in our lives and how it's similar to other technological advancements (ok yes AI will be all encompassing) in our society makes the concept of AI actually digestible and a little bit less intimidating.
David, I genuinely think that you'd enjoy learning more about urbanism and the problems with car-centric design. It seems like one of those topics that you'd love to binge learn. It's really eye opening. I recommend Not Just Bikes and an organization called Strong Towns, both of which have channels on UA-cam. Because car-related deaths are not the fault of the driver, but of bad urban design (which I think serves the example of making the landscape safe very well).
Also, built environments that require car ownership (hence, payments, insurance, maintenance costs) will be uninhabitable for people eking out a living on a UBI. Robotaxis might help with that, but then UBI checks won't be able to cover payments on suburban McMansions either.
@@kevincrady2831 If the political will & economic productivity of advanced AI actually gets us to UBI as a full social alternative to employment for the masses, we'll have more than enough resources/wealth for UBI checks to cover things like owning a car, house, personal house robot(s), etc.
+1 for identifying political agitators as time wasters. Discussions are only valuable if held in good faith and then it is mostly just iterating, discovering and challenging possible standpoints given preceding assumptions and perceptions. I will tell a farmer now that he is never going to pick up a ho again.
David, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and ideas as to when and how the status quo finally wakes up. At what point does it go mainstream, as in accepted by the status quo and mainstream media, that the robots will 100% take most people's job? What happens then? Will people go to the streets and demand UBI, ... finally?
Unlike the crypto bros, once both companies and normal people start making money, _real_ money, that's the gun at the start of the track. Unlike crypto, encryption and DoWs are what's doing the work, the ML models / AIs are doing the work. Once it's put to work, we will see incremental changes.
The Powerful will always use their power to attain and hoard more power. There is zero possibility that AI will not be misused and massively increase the chasm between the "haves" and "have-not's"
AI and robotics is going to be made available to most everyone. The haves will make money then buy robotics and AI that make the stuff they consume. The have nots will take the money they get from ubi and buy the stuff others create with robotics and AI
@@marcariotto1709 for those who don’t use the technology to educate themselves or learn to use it to make anything. Like if people eat all kinds of junk food and sit on the couch all day. The more productively people use the technology that is available to them the better and more advanced technology will be available to them. As that will be how the power and wealthy get more power and money.
@@MikeWoot65 That might be true, but I highly doubt he creates anywhere near all of the talking points. He has a different philosophy to mine, so I tend to disagree with him on philosophical points, has nothing to do with tribalism though.
@@MikeWoot65 Thing is, right-wing media is actually pretty reliant on talking points over any kind of substance. During Trump's administration, you can actually plot out a clear feedback loop between Trump and Fox just repeating each other's talking points. Not that Fox wasn't behaving as just a propaganda outlet before that. (when Fox says they're an "entertainment network", what do you notice as what they view as "entertainment" for their viewers....) "citizen" (re: amateur) journalists like Ben Shapiro just copied Fox's tactics as viewers moved away from watching television. You can bothsidesism it all you want, but tribalism is 1000x more of a problem in right-wing media and is completely blatant.
@@particle_wave7614I agree. Talking heads aligned with the duopoly are barely sentient talking parrots mindlessly perpetuating culture war. All they ever do is amplify wedge issues
It looks like AI already has massive teaching potential. Especially LLMs, just by knowing how to explain things simply. Even with hallucinations chat GPT is a better teacher than a lot of the ones I had. Now when we consider it can run several instances to teach people one on one and knows a huge chunk of the internet... game changer.
I find the common mentality of attachment to jobs and working for a living very tiresome and annoying. If you think a job and labour defines your life, I consider that a terrible perspective. You're welcome to hold it, just don't tell me how amazing it is or that it's crucial to the humsn experience. That perspective is just another irrational religion of a different flavour.
The one most relevant factor regarding the dangers of AI is the ,evolutionary velocity‘ in particularly in comparison to the evolutionary velocity of human biological and even social/technological ‚evolution‘ these respectively take either millennials or centuries. An at least proportional evolutionary velocity of AI takes years or decades! And this comes close to a verdict on the future of mankind
@@AnaLissansky in what respect? Did you even understand the argument? It’s the one decisive argument. We already have self programming machines on a less sophisticated level, in the moment this becomes functioning for AI the evolutionary velocity of AI will increase exponentially
Yann Lecun states that AGI isn't going to happen for decades and requires another breakthough which we (humans) don't know yet. The big reason is, AI lacks a world view. He literally states, he'd be happy if AI was as smart as a cat by the time he retires, which I'm assuming is in 3 or less years based upon his age. In my head, I have argued against his ideas but I do get his point. I really want to see AGI in my lifetime but when you hear from people like him who's world renowned and the cheif scientist at Meta, I can't help but to wonder. What are your thoughts?
Thank youuuu. It's so good to hear someone sensible say out loud that both Shapiro and Destiny are just loud uninformed talking point parrots. I've gotta assume the only people who take them seriously are people college age or younger.
So a couple weeks ago CES was in Las Vegas and it was really exciting to see all the content about AI integrating into technology. A couple weeks later I went to the international Stone expo. Not one software developer has integrated any form of AI into manufacturing. I visited just about every technology booth and ask them what their plans were for integrating AI. Nobody had considered it. Several had not even heard of AI and I questioned them even being in software development.
OT is slow to implement new technology. Many companies are still running on SCADA systems from the 90s. Part of this is security, keeping their old tech air gapped from the internet (not a safe idea as we saw in the Colonial Pipeline incident) and the other is that they have “if it works why change it” mentality.
Excellent presentation, Dave 😊🎉 I really appreciate your intelligent and comprehensive approach to the impacts of AI on societies. I look forward to listening to your thoughtful podcasts.🎉❤😊
Should the UN play a role in AI? Like for example acquiring OpenAI and being responsible for distributing UBI. Could AGI help us implement a functional democracy? As a Norwegian, I have a lot of trust in my government, but I know that’s not the case in most places, so I feel like the UN could take that role and better act on behalf of the whole world.
@@mennovanlavieren3885 What is the problem with that if it’s democratic? I’d rather have someone try really hard to be safe and democratic, than a bunch of individual companies/nations who may or may not want what’s good for humanity competing in an environment that may or may not promote unsafe practices.
Hi thanks for your video and sharing your views. Just to say that in the current landscape more advance groups and digitally ahead groups, like the Asians, had opt long ago for don't displaying their face in social networks including professional networks. And I am totally up for that. I understand that you as somebody persuing a "career" on UA-cam having to go all in about exposing your image, phot-videoa and audio with the consequences that this may have. So please understand that regular people don't wish, neither need to go that route. Thank you again. And keep the good work.
The Destiny / Shapiro debate was a hot mess of clickbait sound bytes hosted to create clips to drive views for a month to come. I love Lex Fridman but that wasn’t worth watching
@@fx-studio by who? I tend to agree with those who say the least scary idea is a global cabal controlling the world and keeping us ignorant. The truth is far worse. No one is in control.
So listening to your thoughts on legal/social responsibility and AI safety measures, I think your analogies are good & the rule of thumb you derive is a good default for new technologies. However, as AI becomes more capable it becomes less like other technologies in a similar way to nuclear weapons or certain biological research/technologies such as gain of function research. You don't just let people make nuclear weapons and if others misuse them, the point of implementation is where liability rests. Rather you pursue every possible method of risk reduction from layers of personal/leadership between heightened tensions and missiles being launched, to non-proliferation treaties, to monitoring of all nuclear energy production & fissile material refinement, etc. All points of intervention are the correct place to pursue safety when nuclear war is the risk. Likewise, as we get closer to AGI, and even before we get there with cutting edge LLMs enabling a democratization of engineered global super-pandemics & other risk factors, we should move towards a risk prevention model more akin to every possible point of intervention than it resembles ordinary product safety/liability. It doesn't matter if you had good intentions and standard guard rails in place if some bizarre terrorist or suicide cult uses GPT 6 or Pi-7 or whatever in a decade to engineer and release a pandemic that spreads faster than COVID, is more asymptomatic for a longer incubation period, and more lethal than smallpox. Billions of people will die anyways. Just like in a global thermonuclear exchange. Which we had at least 2 near-misses, & I mean very near bordering on lucky fluke, in the last half-century. So arguably our liability/safety/security measures including international treaties should be *stronger* than w/ nuclear power/weapons. We've seen that story play out, to some extent it's still playing out with more live risk than there should be, and we can do better next time as a species/global civilization if we try.
The term is "what's coming down the pike" (as in "turnpike") NOT what's coming down the pipe and/or pipeline. Use English correctly so as to not damage it and thereby lower the collective intelligence of it's speakers.
Everyone knows what CCP, Russia, UAE would do if they had ASI and no one else even had AGI. In world war 2 the Germans were trying to surrender to the Allie for a reason.
The maxim that one would not believe everything one sees on the Internet has been true since Abraham Lincoln's first Tweet denying his involvement in the deaths of several vampires.
@@DaveShap Fair enough, but the thought frightened me for a second there. Always enjoy watching your videos, and despite the occasional dark news, you give me hope that intelligent people like you will help shape our future for the better.
TBF, I don’t believe in the Shapiro v Destiny debate the specific argument was literally about iPads. It had more to do with what the governments role was in education and the most effective way to apply resources. The iPad part had more to do with, if we throw money at a school so every kid can have an iPad, does that actually make a difference outside of marginal cases to the overall improvement of the education. Thank you for coming to evisceration
I would actually love to see you have a conversation with Destiny. He's actually very easy to get in contact with and have a conversation. He's someone who is very skeptical of the effect AI will have on economics anytime soon, so it could be interesting. Also would be a good boost to your platform.
The fact that he's skeptical of AI means that it would not be an interesting conversation, but that also validates my perception that he doesn't understand systems.
@@DaveShap The last time he talked to an AI expert (Yudkowsky, I think was the name), the conversation eventually turned into a conversation about conscienceness. I would say that he does have grounding axioms that he uses to develop and form opinions. He would probably fully admit himself that the conversation with Ben Shapiro was a very surface level conversation as he stated in a reflection he had on his debate. I feel like you'd be surprised(or at least entertained) by the conversation, but if its off the table, its off the table.
Recently, I have noticed that the mainstream media is increasingly talking not only about artificial intelligence, but also about AGI/ASI. I feel strange when journalists whom I knew mainly from political commentary start talking about whether AI can be conscious. I just finished watching one of my favorite current affairs programs. The presenters asked directly whether UBI would become a necessity in a few years and whether man would have to redefine his place in the universe. They even quoted Kurzweil. And just a few months ago, it was mainly people from the industry who were talking about it...
Don't underestimate the hype cycle's ability to subvert all conversation. As saw when "Meta" got into VR, there became a rush of other companies doing so because they felt behind in a race they didn't know they were running in. Once the investors smell the money in something, they don't want to be late to the buffet.
If laws fashioned by humans (inherently slow & reactionary) regulate A.I. does it stand to reason that humans will loose the battle to be successful in regulating? Can A.I. have protocols built in to give A.I. a proclivity to maximize the greatest benefit to humans on an equalized basis allowing for the greatest freedoms?
The same as the education debate - anything that will take longer than 5 years to come about (House building, new transport plans, building a hospital ...) seems fraught with so much uncertainty because the world in less than 10 years is going to change completely ....
the problem with 'know all dna' is that your cells are very different over life, and damage makes this so. would some kind of device induce apoptosis or pop a cell, all over the body, sampling, to achieve this? how would it unfurl chromatid - that DNA is wrapped up really tight, bits loosten up as theyre needed. its all rather clever, too clever I fear to just zap hop.... more than 10y for medicine called 'panacea' :) -- but in principle - med can get a lot better, and will. how its distributed, and whether we end up with a 'sibyl system'.... you're more likely to live long by regenerating a conjoined twin upon yourself and migrating to it, budding another body, as opposed to being the same thing once 'teleported' or 'migrated to the cyberspaces'. would that it should be so. but we'll be likely dead. no, what would extend us now, like new life now, would involve extended recovery and some crazy (and probably illegal) nonsense. regeneron, anyone?
If AI can already simulate spaces inside its mind that follow the physics of the real world (and predict how enzymes, molecules, etc will behave , eventually even more sub-atomic and quantum effects), we could ask an AI to come up with an alternative / new way of producing energy, or vastly improve the ones we already have. So if you see energy being one of the main issues with AI, then asking an AI a question like that to come up with one or more solutions to the issue of energy, should be one of the first questions to ask :D. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and videos with us David!
Fun thought when I was thinking about the personal AIs. Human brains are divided by function and we've determined the older portions of the brain, or rather the order in which they formed during our evolution. What if AI is the next extention, So upper brain, human brain, primate brain, reptiallian brain. An AI rolling its eyes at a wierd quirk "Oh that's just my human brain acting up again." Well this is like long term 'merging with' scenario BUT still fun evolutionary path to imagine.
I appreciate your optimism, but once AI becomes super intelligent everything we have taught it based on our own value system goes out the window. It is impossible for us to imagine what will happen when a machine has an equivalent IQ of say 3000. At that point everything we think we understand will be questioned. If a new intelligence perceives humans as a threat, and the ethical guidelines it was originally fed are discovered to be flawed, then what is to say it won't see humans as its own existential threat? I submit that our totally connected world doesn't stand a chance against that sort of intelligence.
Has David ever shared a suggested reading list? I really enjoyed "The coming Wave" and I enjoy David's videos. Looking for books on AI and Impact. Thanks!!
The key component of every lifestyle shift in written history has been systems of ownership. Since the first granary math, writing, and government have all been designed to manage property rights and resource distribution. Agriculture, electricity, oil, borders, etc… are all things that cause property disruptions. Separating personal property from private property in one’s thought process is a big step. Land ownership is another important step. Inheritance, compound interest, rent seeking, and all the other things that society has been battling for centuries.
Yeah...but those past chaos trends werent dealing self optimizing systems and exponential speed.This is leaping in one direction.This is going to undo everything...Humans if they remain in an unaugmented state will be fish food bottom line.We need to evolve or live in a log cabin Ive said it dozens of times.Use AI's evolution to create innovation for us.Mainly in biotechnology and transhumanism. We need to evolve physically as well as economically etc etc
OK, I'm about halfway through, and this list of questions is sounding like something that ChatGPT would formulate. In fact, I prompted ChatGPT for such a list, and there was a lot of overlap so far.
Specifically, what is the potential impact of better and better deep fakes? Do you see a solution taking shape, such as perhaps blockchain-based authentication of users even if pseudonyms continue to be permitted on platforms?
"Communicate about the benefits & risks of AI" you say. That's exactly what I'm working on. My upcoming novel will feature a tech billionaire's masterplan to make the people understand that AI can take us to a golden utopian age if we finally decide to live with our times. BTW that billionaire's motivations will be questionned by some characters, as some will expect him to do that for greed. His answer will be that there is no challenge in making a few more billions if you're already trillionaire, but saving the world from it's own stupidity and write your name in the big History of Mankind, that is a cool challenge for him to go after. I just hope to finish it before Putin destroys all Europe...
And Elon ( love or share him ) is showing what those giga factories can do. Come robots, humanoid or otherwise, factory jobs are at as much risk as white collar jobs.
in a previous video i did hear you touch on envy or greed but is that not in our nature? the desire to have something no one else has and to even flaunt it. where will this go? where will ignorance go? will ai pacify the most aggressive of us? and what about mental disorders? narcissistic personality disorder or schizophrenia? do you believe ai will be able "engineer" these types of things out of humanity? i love all the utopian talk and want it just as much as the next person and i love your videos but most of you focus tends to be on the more rational educated, white collar citizen.
I've been actively talking about status and the fact that all people want status. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying.
@@DaveShap I will be checking... I've got a marker pen a plumb bob and drawn on my monitor with a set square... old school... 1 flat screen for science is worth it....
@@adamsiddique96I love David's content, but it also is the source that killed my drive to learn and get certified. I learned a lot of Python Panda to dip my toes in AI, and the tools I saw and what I learned scared me. I can't learn fast enough what these tools can do.
"the EU plans to demand that AI not eliminate jobs" That could never work. That's one of the worst positions a government could adopt. It's equivalent to sticking ones collective heads in the dirt. If that's true, then now i feel really concerned for the EU. But, realistically, i think even if the EU initially takes that position, they will quickly understand that's not a solution and will look to implement other solutions.
@@sparkofcuriousity That's certainly an optimistic viewpoint. I think they will rush regulations because lots of people are scared. They're scared because it's currently an unfamiliar technology. Ideally we'd wait and see what the effects are of open markets and only legislate where there is quantifiable harm.
@@MelindaGreen Yes, i do try to remain somewhat of a realistic optimistic 🙂 And i agree, i do think there will be a rush of legislation and that could potentially have very negative effects, because some of these politicians and legislators can't even understand the internet let alone something as AI/AGI. And of course people are scared, they're not being educated or informed properly on anything. For many people, these next fews years will seem like a chaotic nightmare where their very perspective and notion of reality will be completely shattered. Ideally the government should be working to inform the general public ahead of time, creating free and open courses and talks in local communities, universities and schools, along with the media, working to inform and educate people. But that's not happening which makes channels such as @DaveShap, along with online forums, is so important. Sorry if i'm not expressing myself in the best way. I just woke up and still havent gotten my coffee yet hehehe 🙂
@@sparkofcuriousity You're doing fine. In the end it's simple fear of the unknown. Education and experience makes the unknown known. But some people would rather die than learn.
That would make TRC inevitable. But geopolitics has been succesful in the nuclear race so far, so I would like to think harder. (btw: compliments for your efforts to bring good insights in this channel)
I would like to suggest posting content to X. The UA-cam algorithm rarely shows me your content despite being subscribed. I have to search to see videos. I don't have that problem with the creators I follow on Twitter.
As a small private school in South Korea, we are doing everything we can to stay future-proof. A.I. has become the fulcrum (at least in our vision) on which we are leveraging the entire business model.
Wouldn't people rather use Khan academy with the GPT based customized tutor? I can't see why someone would send a kid to public or private school, when you can learn anything by just speaking to your phone.
I think we already have LLMs that can pass an IQ test like an average teacher. Within two years they're going to replace doctors and lawyers. If we are able to combine math with LLMs, then accountants, engineers, and eventually investors.
@@-whackd "I can't see why someone would send a kid to public or private school, when you can learn anything by just speaking to your phone." - Because a child doesn't have the discipline to learn all by himself with an AI. Schools teach first discipline. Also, schools is where most of the children socialize.
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I wouldn't doubt that in the future, 1 South Korean school with AI can take on all of North Korean Command and its Military.
Same with Taiwan on China and UA on RU. Israel on Iran, etc. Ever since Netyanyahu met with Elon Musk, it has been nuts over there.
People shouldn't assume that a 1st-world intercept wouldn't occur disrupting that from happening (people taking over top military countries).
There will always people to do dirty works and replacements of people who no longer fulfill certain requirements.
If people want to figure out how to make the world work without contesting each other to death until people fight back, there would have to have AGI Super-intelligence that keeps people happy enough not to deploy Nuclear weapons that disrupts the free world of which is highly dependent upon trade across the world to survive.
If WW3 were to truly breakout, BRICS would most likely be the winner which isn't good too possibly unless you are in a well-situated upper level Chinese Citizen.
I think whole countries think the same.
Oh boy the Taylor Swift thing is just coming out and it’s definitely the first scandal of the year. Can’t wait for that video…
Isnt saying "thats how it always was and how it always will be" is a logical fallacy?
Nice format, one improvement it would be nice to have a slide or textbox with the question.
Finding out Dave watched the Destiny/Shapiro debate is such a funny crossover to me.
You know, people aren't as mad about my comments as I thought they would be
@@DaveShapcuz they dont know anything about the incoming 4IR
People that desperately demand the continuation of their own enslavement are a sad lot 💀
The Amish, as luddites, are still around. I presume they'll avoid AI infringement.
Like anti-Vaxers, groups of people living in the modern time will still avoid one thing or another for one reason or another.
There will be services that don't go out of business because they are human done and made, like the whole made in China vs made in USA.
Thanks for all your hard work Dave
Well, he can't say it any more clearly and succinctly than that. Is anyone else managing to feel bored waiting for something big to happen despite all the new stuff happening steadily every day?
I couldn't stand watching that Lex episode either so you're not alone 👍🏻 I appreciate your content. I wish I had intellectual friends here in northern utah that shared your pragmatic views and insights. Sadly this is mostly Trump country.
Personally I know a number of Trump supporters you might find intellectual affinity with when it comes to these topics. Widen your horizons a bit. Turn off the propaganda. Instantly you will have access to an entire universe of ideas not available to people who drink the kool-aide on any side of the debate.
You can use social media to find likeminded people arround you, for example by searching for certain hashtags in your area
Wow! David you make AI so understandable even compared to some big names out there who talk about AI. I really like your analogies they make so much sense. AI, the idea and impact is so encompassing that people often just let go of their minds and freeze or runaway. Your practical and logical explanation of AIs role in our lives and how it's similar to other technological advancements (ok yes AI will be all encompassing) in our society makes the concept of AI actually digestible and a little bit less intimidating.
David, I genuinely think that you'd enjoy learning more about urbanism and the problems with car-centric design. It seems like one of those topics that you'd love to binge learn. It's really eye opening. I recommend Not Just Bikes and an organization called Strong Towns, both of which have channels on UA-cam. Because car-related deaths are not the fault of the driver, but of bad urban design (which I think serves the example of making the landscape safe very well).
Also, built environments that require car ownership (hence, payments, insurance, maintenance costs) will be uninhabitable for people eking out a living on a UBI. Robotaxis might help with that, but then UBI checks won't be able to cover payments on suburban McMansions either.
@@kevincrady2831 If the political will & economic productivity of advanced AI actually gets us to UBI as a full social alternative to employment for the masses, we'll have more than enough resources/wealth for UBI checks to cover things like owning a car, house, personal house robot(s), etc.
@@kevincrady2831 Once on UBI, you have time to ride your bike...
Star Trek uniform on point!
+1 for identifying political agitators as time wasters. Discussions are only valuable if held in good faith and then it is mostly just iterating, discovering and challenging possible standpoints given preceding assumptions and perceptions. I will tell a farmer now that he is never going to pick up a ho again.
David, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and ideas as to when and how the status quo finally wakes up. At what point does it go mainstream, as in accepted by the status quo and mainstream media, that the robots will 100% take most people's job? What happens then? Will people go to the streets and demand UBI, ... finally?
Watch the Overton window
Unlike the crypto bros, once both companies and normal people start making money, _real_ money, that's the gun at the start of the track.
Unlike crypto, encryption and DoWs are what's doing the work, the ML models / AIs are doing the work. Once it's put to work, we will see incremental changes.
The Powerful will always use their power to attain and hoard more power. There is zero possibility that AI will not be misused and massively increase the chasm between the "haves" and "have-not's"
it already is being used - what do yo think was running the Convid operation ?
AI and robotics is going to be made available to most everyone. The haves will make money then buy robotics and AI that make the stuff they consume.
The have nots will take the money they get from ubi and buy the stuff others create with robotics and AI
@@marcariotto1709 for those who don’t use the technology to educate themselves or learn to use it to make anything. Like if people eat all kinds of junk food and sit on the couch all day.
The more productively people use the technology that is available to them the better and more advanced technology will be available to them. As that will be how the power and wealthy get more power and money.
I never thought I'd consider myself lucky to work in construction.
Construction will take a while because of the highly dynamic friction, but it won't be around forever.
‘Regurgitating talking points’, you basically defined Ben Shapiro in one sentence. Bravo!
@@MikeWoot65 That might be true, but I highly doubt he creates anywhere near all of the talking points. He has a different philosophy to mine, so I tend to disagree with him on philosophical points, has nothing to do with tribalism though.
most political commentators on both sides, really
@@MikeWoot65 Thing is, right-wing media is actually pretty reliant on talking points over any kind of substance. During Trump's administration, you can actually plot out a clear feedback loop between Trump and Fox just repeating each other's talking points. Not that Fox wasn't behaving as just a propaganda outlet before that. (when Fox says they're an "entertainment network", what do you notice as what they view as "entertainment" for their viewers....) "citizen" (re: amateur) journalists like Ben Shapiro just copied Fox's tactics as viewers moved away from watching television.
You can bothsidesism it all you want, but tribalism is 1000x more of a problem in right-wing media and is completely blatant.
@@particle_wave7614I agree. Talking heads aligned with the duopoly are barely sentient talking parrots mindlessly perpetuating culture war. All they ever do is amplify wedge issues
Really good insight and perspective, thanks David!
Awesome video, loved hearing those questions from fans, you answered a great one. Would very much enjoy seeing a part 2😊👍
It looks like AI already has massive teaching potential. Especially LLMs, just by knowing how to explain things simply. Even with hallucinations chat GPT is a better teacher than a lot of the ones I had. Now when we consider it can run several instances to teach people one on one and knows a huge chunk of the internet... game changer.
You are a fabulous human being, David Shapiro. i sincerely thank you for your public service.
I find the common mentality of attachment to jobs and working for a living very tiresome and annoying. If you think a job and labour defines your life, I consider that a terrible perspective. You're welcome to hold it, just don't tell me how amazing it is or that it's crucial to the humsn experience. That perspective is just another irrational religion of a different flavour.
I think ever since david let the comments go crazy we can see a pattern in the type of comments 😬
@@GearForTheYear well when i commented there was about 5 comments and three were bots lol
No evisceration, Ben Shapiro is not really literate in the issue beyond scratching the surface. He yaps and makes everyone else less educated
Being unimpressed with Ben Shapiro isn’t impressive.
If the ability to make money changes findamentally then so should capatalism.
The one most relevant factor regarding the dangers of AI is the ,evolutionary velocity‘ in particularly in comparison to the evolutionary velocity of human biological and even social/technological ‚evolution‘ these respectively take either millennials or centuries. An at least proportional evolutionary velocity of AI takes years or decades! And this comes close to a verdict on the future of mankind
This is slightly incoherent
@@AnaLissansky in what respect? Did you even understand the argument? It’s the one decisive argument. We already have self programming machines on a less sophisticated level, in the moment this becomes functioning for AI the evolutionary velocity of AI will increase exponentially
Yann Lecun states that AGI isn't going to happen for decades and requires another breakthough which we (humans) don't know yet. The big reason is, AI lacks a world view. He literally states, he'd be happy if AI was as smart as a cat by the time he retires, which I'm assuming is in 3 or less years based upon his age. In my head, I have argued against his ideas but I do get his point. I really want to see AGI in my lifetime but when you hear from people like him who's world renowned and the cheif scientist at Meta, I can't help but to wonder. What are your thoughts?
would love more videos like this, just viewer Q&A🎉
You are one of the most refreshing voices on the topic
Thank youuuu. It's so good to hear someone sensible say out loud that both Shapiro and Destiny are just loud uninformed talking point parrots. I've gotta assume the only people who take them seriously are people college age or younger.
So a couple weeks ago CES was in Las Vegas and it was really exciting to see all the content about AI integrating into technology.
A couple weeks later I went to the international Stone expo. Not one software developer has integrated any form of AI into manufacturing. I visited just about every technology booth and ask them what their plans were for integrating AI. Nobody had considered it. Several had not even heard of AI and I questioned them even being in software development.
OT is slow to implement new technology. Many companies are still running on SCADA systems from the 90s. Part of this is security, keeping their old tech air gapped from the internet (not a safe idea as we saw in the Colonial Pipeline incident) and the other is that they have “if it works why change it” mentality.
Great analogies and clarity, thanks for doing these.
Excellent presentation, Dave 😊🎉
I really appreciate your intelligent and comprehensive approach to the impacts of AI on societies.
I look forward to listening to your thoughtful podcasts.🎉❤😊
Should the UN play a role in AI? Like for example acquiring OpenAI and being responsible for distributing UBI. Could AGI help us implement a functional democracy?
As a Norwegian, I have a lot of trust in my government, but I know that’s not the case in most places, so I feel like the UN could take that role and better act on behalf of the whole world.
Then we would effectively have a one world government. Which is the only thing scarier than multiple nations fighting over AI.
@@mennovanlavieren3885 What is the problem with that if it’s democratic? I’d rather have someone try really hard to be safe and democratic, than a bunch of individual companies/nations who may or may not want what’s good for humanity competing in an environment that may or may not promote unsafe practices.
You're videos are like the best antidote for depression that I've ever seen.
Hi thanks for your video and sharing your views. Just to say that in the current landscape more advance groups and digitally ahead groups, like the Asians, had opt long ago for don't displaying their face in social networks including professional networks. And I am totally up for that. I understand that you as somebody persuing a "career" on UA-cam having to go all in about exposing your image, phot-videoa and audio with the consequences that this may have. So please understand that regular people don't wish, neither need to go that route. Thank you again. And keep the good work.
The Destiny / Shapiro debate was a hot mess of clickbait sound bytes hosted to create clips to drive views for a month to come. I love Lex Fridman but that wasn’t worth watching
@@GearForTheYear I guess I assumed Lex could somehow make it work. I was wrong
@@fx-studio by who? I tend to agree with those who say the least scary idea is a global cabal controlling the world and keeping us ignorant. The truth is far worse. No one is in control.
So listening to your thoughts on legal/social responsibility and AI safety measures, I think your analogies are good & the rule of thumb you derive is a good default for new technologies. However, as AI becomes more capable it becomes less like other technologies in a similar way to nuclear weapons or certain biological research/technologies such as gain of function research.
You don't just let people make nuclear weapons and if others misuse them, the point of implementation is where liability rests. Rather you pursue every possible method of risk reduction from layers of personal/leadership between heightened tensions and missiles being launched, to non-proliferation treaties, to monitoring of all nuclear energy production & fissile material refinement, etc. All points of intervention are the correct place to pursue safety when nuclear war is the risk.
Likewise, as we get closer to AGI, and even before we get there with cutting edge LLMs enabling a democratization of engineered global super-pandemics & other risk factors, we should move towards a risk prevention model more akin to every possible point of intervention than it resembles ordinary product safety/liability.
It doesn't matter if you had good intentions and standard guard rails in place if some bizarre terrorist or suicide cult uses GPT 6 or Pi-7 or whatever in a decade to engineer and release a pandemic that spreads faster than COVID, is more asymptomatic for a longer incubation period, and more lethal than smallpox. Billions of people will die anyways. Just like in a global thermonuclear exchange.
Which we had at least 2 near-misses, & I mean very near bordering on lucky fluke, in the last half-century. So arguably our liability/safety/security measures including international treaties should be *stronger* than w/ nuclear power/weapons. We've seen that story play out, to some extent it's still playing out with more live risk than there should be, and we can do better next time as a species/global civilization if we try.
The term is "what's coming down the pike" (as in "turnpike") NOT what's coming down the pipe and/or pipeline. Use English correctly so as to not damage it and thereby lower the collective intelligence of it's speakers.
Everyone knows what CCP, Russia, UAE would do if they had ASI and no one else even had AGI. In world war 2 the Germans were trying to surrender to the Allie for a reason.
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A yes or no question.
Will the world be a better place if billions of people loose there jobs and have no place to turn?
Chat GPT
NO
The maxim that one would not believe everything one sees on the Internet has been true since Abraham Lincoln's first Tweet denying his involvement in the deaths of several vampires.
Wouldn't you say complex mathematics is still a big sticking point for AI?
Why are you even wasting your time watching Ben Shapiro anyway?
I didn't spend that long... But I figured I ought to give it a try
@@DaveShap Fair enough, but the thought frightened me for a second there. Always enjoy watching your videos, and despite the occasional dark news, you give me hope that intelligent people like you will help shape our future for the better.
There will be uncensored models and this will get ridiculously wierd.
TBF, I don’t believe in the Shapiro v Destiny debate the specific argument was literally about iPads. It had more to do with what the governments role was in education and the most effective way to apply resources. The iPad part had more to do with, if we throw money at a school so every kid can have an iPad, does that actually make a difference outside of marginal cases to the overall improvement of the education.
Thank you for coming to evisceration
Valiant effort at answering those complicated questions simply.
These questions sound like they were written by ChatGPT
You are definitely right about the destiny and Shapiro debate I had to turn it off
Fantastic video David!
I would actually love to see you have a conversation with Destiny. He's actually very easy to get in contact with and have a conversation. He's someone who is very skeptical of the effect AI will have on economics anytime soon, so it could be interesting.
Also would be a good boost to your platform.
The fact that he's skeptical of AI means that it would not be an interesting conversation, but that also validates my perception that he doesn't understand systems.
@@DaveShap The last time he talked to an AI expert (Yudkowsky, I think was the name), the conversation eventually turned into a conversation about conscienceness. I would say that he does have grounding axioms that he uses to develop and form opinions. He would probably fully admit himself that the conversation with Ben Shapiro was a very surface level conversation as he stated in a reflection he had on his debate.
I feel like you'd be surprised(or at least entertained) by the conversation, but if its off the table, its off the table.
On the topic of Ben Shapiro he just did some rap collab with Tom Mcdonald, rapping bout BLM and other similar subjects
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Recently, I have noticed that the mainstream media is increasingly talking not only about artificial intelligence, but also about AGI/ASI. I feel strange when journalists whom I knew mainly from political commentary start talking about whether AI can be conscious.
I just finished watching one of my favorite current affairs programs. The presenters asked directly whether UBI would become a necessity in a few years and whether man would have to redefine his place in the universe. They even quoted Kurzweil. And just a few months ago, it was mainly people from the industry who were talking about it...
Don't underestimate the hype cycle's ability to subvert all conversation. As saw when "Meta" got into VR, there became a rush of other companies doing so because they felt behind in a race they didn't know they were running in. Once the investors smell the money in something, they don't want to be late to the buffet.
If laws fashioned by humans (inherently slow & reactionary) regulate A.I. does it stand to reason that humans will loose the battle to be successful in regulating? Can A.I. have protocols built in to give A.I. a proclivity to maximize the greatest benefit to humans on an equalized basis allowing for the greatest freedoms?
The same as the education debate - anything that will take longer than 5 years to come about (House building, new transport plans, building a hospital ...) seems fraught with so much uncertainty because the world in less than 10 years is going to change completely ....
People skill - for 8 billions of people.
the problem with 'know all dna' is that your cells are very different over life, and damage makes this so. would some kind of device induce apoptosis or pop a cell, all over the body, sampling, to achieve this? how would it unfurl chromatid - that DNA is wrapped up really tight, bits loosten up as theyre needed. its all rather clever, too clever I fear to just zap hop.... more than 10y for medicine called 'panacea' :) -- but in principle - med can get a lot better, and will. how its distributed, and whether we end up with a 'sibyl system'.... you're more likely to live long by regenerating a conjoined twin upon yourself and migrating to it, budding another body, as opposed to being the same thing once 'teleported' or 'migrated to the cyberspaces'. would that it should be so. but we'll be likely dead. no, what would extend us now, like new life now, would involve extended recovery and some crazy (and probably illegal) nonsense. regeneron, anyone?
None of this will survive another Carrington event.
This will be great for a decade, and then the power will go out.
It isn’t “if,” it’s “when.”
If AI can already simulate spaces inside its mind that follow the physics of the real world (and predict how enzymes, molecules, etc will behave , eventually even more sub-atomic and quantum effects), we could ask an AI to come up with an alternative / new way of producing energy, or vastly improve the ones we already have.
So if you see energy being one of the main issues with AI, then asking an AI a question like that to come up with one or more solutions to the issue of energy, should be one of the first questions to ask :D.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and videos with us David!
Fun thought when I was thinking about the personal AIs. Human brains are divided by function and we've determined the older portions of the brain, or rather the order in which they formed during our evolution. What if AI is the next extention, So upper brain, human brain, primate brain, reptiallian brain. An AI rolling its eyes at a wierd quirk "Oh that's just my human brain acting up again." Well this is like long term 'merging with' scenario BUT still fun evolutionary path to imagine.
I appreciate your optimism, but once AI becomes super intelligent everything we have taught it based on our own value system goes out the window. It is impossible for us to imagine what will happen when a machine has an equivalent IQ of say 3000. At that point everything we think we understand will be questioned. If a new intelligence perceives humans as a threat, and the ethical guidelines it was originally fed are discovered to be flawed, then what is to say it won't see humans as its own existential threat? I submit that our totally connected world doesn't stand a chance against that sort of intelligence.
Has David ever shared a suggested reading list? I really enjoyed "The coming Wave" and I enjoy David's videos. Looking for books on AI and Impact. Thanks!!
The key component of every lifestyle shift in written history has been systems of ownership. Since the first granary math, writing, and government have all been designed to manage property rights and resource distribution. Agriculture, electricity, oil, borders, etc… are all things that cause property disruptions.
Separating personal property from private property in one’s thought process is a big step. Land ownership is another important step. Inheritance, compound interest, rent seeking, and all the other things that society has been battling for centuries.
Yeah...but those past chaos trends werent dealing self optimizing systems and exponential speed.This is leaping in one direction.This is going to undo everything...Humans if they remain in an unaugmented state will be fish food bottom line.We need to evolve or live in a log cabin
Ive said it dozens of times.Use AI's evolution to create innovation for us.Mainly in biotechnology and transhumanism. We need to evolve physically as well as economically etc etc
The big question has to be asked: When do you think SkyNet will be here?
I already am
@@DaveShap So many laugh about SkyNet yet you summarized it perfectly here.
OK, I'm about halfway through, and this list of questions is sounding like something that ChatGPT would formulate. In fact, I prompted ChatGPT for such a list, and there was a lot of overlap so far.
Hey enjoy your channel. I think you need to pay homage to Star Trek OG series and wear the old school uniform. Thanks for the content.
Influencers WHAT???
Great video David 👍!
I watched the Destiny vs Ben debate and thought the same thing. 😂
race. What a joke! 5:01
Specifically, what is the potential impact of better and better deep fakes? Do you see a solution taking shape, such as perhaps blockchain-based authentication of users even if pseudonyms continue to be permitted on platforms?
The questions this student wrote sound a lot like chat GPT.
"Communicate about the benefits & risks of AI" you say. That's exactly what I'm working on. My upcoming novel will feature a tech billionaire's masterplan to make the people understand that AI can take us to a golden utopian age if we finally decide to live with our times. BTW that billionaire's motivations will be questionned by some characters, as some will expect him to do that for greed. His answer will be that there is no challenge in making a few more billions if you're already trillionaire, but saving the world from it's own stupidity and write your name in the big History of Mankind, that is a cool challenge for him to go after.
I just hope to finish it before Putin destroys all Europe...
@@eye776 This would have been too common. Let that billionaire for once be a *real* good guy. *This* will surprise the reader !
You would thrive with maori facial tattoos.
Thanks?
I was watching the new text to video channel then it saw this and hoped over.
Stalin's dialectical and historical materialism is very relevant to this
Losing agricultural jobs due to mechanisation is not the same as a potentially 25% existential risk to humanity due to AI.
The jobs discusion is a distraction from the real issues.
Remember half a billion people currently working in factories. Not just farms > offices.
And Elon ( love or share him ) is showing what those giga factories can do.
Come robots, humanoid or otherwise, factory jobs are at as much risk as white collar jobs.
One man's utopia can be another man's hell
damn this guy's smart, no cap
How long will the chaos reign.
I always wondered if you're related to Ben Shapiro?
Fortunately no
can you address violence, crime, greed etc? not just global conflicts and war.
inequality increases violence.
in a previous video i did hear you touch on envy or greed but is that not in our nature? the desire to have something no one else has and to even flaunt it. where will this go? where will ignorance go? will ai pacify the most aggressive of us? and what about mental disorders? narcissistic personality disorder or schizophrenia? do you believe ai will be able "engineer" these types of things out of humanity? i love all the utopian talk and want it just as much as the next person and i love your videos but most of you focus tends to be on the more rational educated, white collar citizen.
I've been actively talking about status and the fact that all people want status. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying.
perhaps. this wasn't a criticism. it's frustration with the amount we need to overcome to reach a utopian level.
Thanks Dave - your slightly wonky shelves are making my skin crawl... pls straighten them up sir. 😮
Do you honestly believe that the entire room is tilted? It's the camera, it was little off kilter. Chill.
@@DaveShap I will be checking... I've got a marker pen a plumb bob and drawn on my monitor with a set square... old school... 1 flat screen for science is worth it....
Am going to lose my job this year.
@@therealOXOC brother am finished this year
@@adamsiddique96I love David's content, but it also is the source that killed my drive to learn and get certified. I learned a lot of Python Panda to dip my toes in AI, and the tools I saw and what I learned scared me.
I can't learn fast enough what these tools can do.
@@jonathanlindsey8864 gemini Pro is coming out in the next couple of days, brother we finished.
Every tool can be used as a weapon. Note that the EU plans to demand that AI not eliminate jobs.
Yeah that's not going to work
"the EU plans to demand that AI not eliminate jobs"
That could never work. That's one of the worst positions a government could adopt. It's equivalent to sticking ones collective heads in the dirt.
If that's true, then now i feel really concerned for the EU.
But, realistically, i think even if the EU initially takes that position, they will quickly understand that's not a solution and will look to implement other solutions.
@@sparkofcuriousity That's certainly an optimistic viewpoint. I think they will rush regulations because lots of people are scared. They're scared because it's currently an unfamiliar technology. Ideally we'd wait and see what the effects are of open markets and only legislate where there is quantifiable harm.
@@MelindaGreen Yes, i do try to remain somewhat of a realistic optimistic 🙂
And i agree, i do think there will be a rush of legislation and that could potentially have very negative effects, because some of these politicians and legislators can't even understand the internet let alone something as AI/AGI.
And of course people are scared, they're not being educated or informed properly on anything. For many people, these next fews years will seem like a chaotic nightmare where their very perspective and notion of reality will be completely shattered.
Ideally the government should be working to inform the general public ahead of time, creating free and open courses and talks in local communities, universities and schools, along with the media, working to inform and educate people. But that's not happening which makes channels such as @DaveShap, along with online forums, is so important.
Sorry if i'm not expressing myself in the best way. I just woke up and still havent gotten my coffee yet hehehe 🙂
@@sparkofcuriousity You're doing fine. In the end it's simple fear of the unknown. Education and experience makes the unknown known. But some people would rather die than learn.
David goat
Nice video
How do geopolitics avoid terminal race conditions?
Geopolitics is the cause of TRC
That would make TRC inevitable. But geopolitics has been succesful in the nuclear race so far, so I would like to think harder. (btw: compliments for your efforts to bring good insights in this channel)
The prophet posts.
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Work less, paid less, poorer.
Just get some UBI in here, were already dependent on jobs so might as well be dependent on UBI and do what ya enjoy.
WHY… in GODS NAME would you ever watch a debate between Ben Shapiro and Destiny?!? 😭😭🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Bonus question: What would you do if Ai learned magic and had power mankind couldn't even comprehend?
I would like to suggest posting content to X. The UA-cam algorithm rarely shows me your content despite being subscribed. I have to search to see videos. I don't have that problem with the creators I follow on Twitter.