Jordan Peterson on Suing Wilfrid Laurier - "They haven't learned their lesson"
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Just a note for those attacking this interviewer. Trust me - I'm a journalist - and she did an outstanding job. This exchange is an excellent example of several exchanges where Bari did it exactly right. She challenged, but not stupidly. And she has poise, confidence, but no pettiness. Good job.
"Trust me - I'm a journalist"
Lol
As in I've been formally trained and saw in the interviewer the competent application of what I learned in school. That's all dude - I don't blame you for not trusting journalists these days. Not at all.
Haha fair enough
tmcleanful yeah i coukd see she was only playing devils advocate in her questioning if anything. She doesnt do anything wrong. Great interview, great questions.
"I'm a journalist." "I don't blame you for not trusting journalists." I trust you now.
Everyone’s gangster until Jordan says “watch your step buddy”
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“Think again, Sunshine!” was a great one from the Joe Rogan podcast.
“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.”
HKZ P Criticism is not equivalent to Libel.
I just made your comment have 500 likes
To the people having a problem with this interviewer: She let's him talk. She asks a question and then listens to his answers. As far as I can tell she asks questions without the intent to try and trap him, but solely to get an answer. Such behaviour from journalists is to be commended. She and people like her should be more prominent.
Well put,
I wish more people read it. I know some of us are watching how the interview talks and asks questions, but more of us need to be informed on what is appropriate and what is not.
Too bad she got ousted from the NYTs. Not my political leaning, but she seemed relatively fair.
indeed, and she was on his side too i guess, i'm pro free speech and i think i'd say the same
Absolutely.
she even says "correct me if i'm wrong" instead of "SO YOU ARE SAYING...."
good interviewer
As a former Laurier employee I am shamefully thrilled that someone with the class and clout of Jordan Peterson has finally busted their nonsense! I was a small player that was effectively edged out and I chose to leave rather than fight. Thank You from all of us small players without voices.
Make a youtube clip. Every bit helps
Bigtombowski Agreed. However, big entities (not limited to just Universities) know they have the finances & name to bankrupt individuals in court. Unfortunately a big entity that is already known is often automatically afforded more credibility than the unknown individual, in the eyes of a judge. Once you lose in court, there is no hope of winning an appeal. This loss simply adds more credibility (even though it's bogus) to the big entity's claim against you. As Peterson says every decision has risk to it. I can tell you if you try, they can & will make up a lie about you & simply run you right into the ground. Your name & credibility is ruined because unfortunately much of the public also tends to believe in the well known big entity, & most of them have no fear of publishing their lies. It could prevent you from ever working again, or suffering such financial ruin you lose your home. It's a big risk to speak out about powerful entities. Good for Peterson for doing what he did, wish there were more like him.
Bigtombowski Thank you. Sadly, I've seen it happen more often than not. It sure cured my case of idealism & faith that the truth will win out.😀
Maggie Magoo these big players got your back and since you've identified big players, makes YOU one of them too.
@@caryulmer5578 - In my personal experience, I can tell you that if you go up against a corporate entity, they will not only make up lies, they will sometimes bribe your own lawyer out from under you, bribe the court, and/or tamper with, destroy, or modify evidence. There is no apparent limit to what people will do in defense of their in-group selection.
Jordan is an intellectual Pit Bull - and I admire him greatly.
I am am I He is, but he needs a Semenko along side him to amplify his blows and make sure they really sting.
He's a fundamentally decent person, extremely so- it's very hard or impossible to commit as he has to the greater good and simultaneously maintain a level of killer instinct a guy like this requires and deserves for his defence and in defence of his excellent principals.
It's not to say he doesn't hit back, but most of his blows are way above the heads of his opponents and aren't degrading or humiliating which is the frequency on which he's being attacked.
Christopher Hitchens gave himself away in the opposite direction, too often allowing truth, decency and principle to be short changed for his requirement for being seen to win. However he was happy to devastatingly embarrass people.
A suitable pennance for him would be to sit next to Peterson leashed under submission to his higher intellect, purpose and decency, to be loosed upon anyone who underhandedly offsides Peterson and his aims and principles the way Hitchens so enjoyed doing.
That would be kharmically and viscerally satisfying on countless levels, and I suspect practically effective for Petersons mission.
@@user-un5iz6th1n I concur
@NowForTheTruth It needs to be cleaned up and rewritten, that's true.
But that's your whole analysis and complaint?
Here one back for you- "immaterial"
@NowForTheTruth True of course. So what else might be happening here?
@Beau Peep Thanks, I drew it myself!
It is a pleasure to see an interviewer that respects her interviewee and herself.
??? Watch the entire interview. Her mask falls off toward the end.
@@olliefoxx7165 I would guess you're American, and I don't mean that as an insult at any level. I mean that in the USA your main stream media is _extremely_ partisan. So Left leaning people would normally only agree to be interviewed by Left leaning interviewers, and Right with Right, etc. Benign interviews, that reveal little.
Outside of the USA, the UK for instance, you could be interviewed by Andrew Neil. Whether your Left or Right, he'll put you through a hard time. The consumate Devils advocate.
@@Jin-Ro no insult taken. Appreciate the response. You're correct about left leaning only wanting to be interviewed by left leaning interviewers however that doesn't hold for right leaning. It's very common for right leaning people to go on both, if they'll have them on. Left leaning rarely ever go on right, not bc they're not invited but bc they get pillared by other left leaning people. Jordan Peterson has been on both but he's more centrist. It's a very odd phenomenon where right leaning people are now the ones encouraging dialogue and debate. The lady in this interview made some remarks at the end of the full interview that revealed her bias. She stated that Milo was a racist when in actuality he's married to a black man. She was repeating the left mantra without knowledge. Sorry for the long text.
@@olliefoxx7165 "She stated that Milo was a racist when in actuality he's married to a black man."
He makes racist dogwhistles against black people (among other minority groups). Having a black husband doesn't invalidate that. Especially when Milo doesn't actually believe that minority groups (e.g. gays, Jews) can't be bigots, yet plays up that he is gay and Jewish to troll SJWs. He's a hack.
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A lawsuit like this is not meant to stifle free speech, it's meant to punish slander and defamation. It's very old and well-established tort law.
Except none of the supposedly slanderous and defamatory comments were made in public, nor were meant to be publicized. By definition, a private comment about someone cannot be defamatory right?
Anyway, the comments became public when Lindsay Shepherd, the TA, recorded (most likely illegally, btw) and published them for all to see. Surely if Peterson were genuine he would sue her as well for releasing sensitive information about him? (unless she asked him and he consented).
Clive Pereira Well, to be fair, the guy that said it would look like a total coward if he came out and admitted he said it but never meant for Peterson to hear it. Lmao
Yes free speech is wonderful...but if you are spewing it needs to be truthful and factual...not bs opinions and leftist agenda ideologies.
David Broughall Well, isn't that convenient?
Except that they lied about her to other members of the teaching staff that were in the room together. Ergo, slander.
She recorded them in a one-party consent province (as all of Canada is, unlike America), so they did not need to give consent to being recorded as long as she knew that she was recording and was the intended recipient of the communication that was being recorded. Anyway, the comments became public when Lindsay Shepard published them for all to see the slanderous language being used against her by other members of the teaching staff at her place of business. She literally could not defend herself from such slander (which it is) without recording it (which is legal). The fact that those attacking her choose this as their hill to die on is pretty telling that they don't have anything better to go with.
If you’re getting sued by Jordan Peterson, a top of the lobster hierarchy, you’re done for
@Buster head yes, yes the lobsters.
Love that this interviewer asked difficult, stinging questions in a respectful way. It brought out Jordan's best. Fantastic job.
And the best part is that she lets him finish. Seen too many interviews where the interviewers just chimed in without letting him finish his sentence!
Considering what they've said about him, I'm glad he's suing.
There is a difference between free speech and consequences for free speech, the lawsuit is the consequence of them freely defaming his character.
Snaggle Toothed you're right. So how many refugees can you hold under your roof? These people need someplace to stay, it's so great that you can take all these refugees. That is what you're saying, right? If you want them here you take them, you feed them, you find a place for them to go. Otherwise, shut your mouth you dumb beaver.
She stated an opinion. Even if you think its a stupid opinion, which I think it is, you can't sue someone for their opinion and win a defamation case... at least, not in the united states. I have no idea how Canadian libel laws work. Playing Peterson videos is like playing Hitler or Milo videos? That sounds like an opinion. I mean... if you're into litigation against people for their opinions then by all means do so. But its then a bit tough to turn around as pretend to be a free speech warrior and be taken seriously.
yeah he needs a safe space...
Justin Time lmao this is why there are so many retarded movements in the state. You got females falsely accusing males for raping them and get off with no consequences, cuz apparently false rape accusations that destroy people’s career and lives is “not defamation”, its just “opinions”. Lmfao there are some stupid mother fuckers floating around up in this bitch.
I would say that 2 professors grilling a student about what she can or cannot discuss in class has a much bigger "chilling effect" than a lawsuit against the university.
That's why they are being sued though.
@@AnnaLVajda what ever became of it?
Those two professors are just grown students, with no perspective outside their establishment. In charge of creating other students just like them.
Exactly 👏 💯
Shea Lee universities are like an echo chamber of failures. Well, the parts you go to for a useless degree at least.
it was so funny when he said "no" with that confidence, he has integrity. Amazing
He is too bloody SMART, impossible to attack him without losing an arm and a leg.
He outright lied regarding what bill c 16 entitled and continoued to do so even after several legal experts told him he was wrong.The words pronoun are not even mentioned and the only thing the bill did was to add gender expresion to the allready exsisting list of things based on you cannot discriminate(like race,nationality,sex,...)
So hes a dirty liar atleast in that regard
Look at that i still have all my lims
He's the academic equivalent of a star athlete; it's a joy to watch him in action. His lectures are informative, but against an interviewer, he's poetry in motion.
@saso tadic can you post the video where Peterson can be heard saying pronouns are mentioned in bill c16, I like to hear it.
yup his book definitely hasnt changed lives or anything
I find it too damn funny for me to read the things people shit on Professor Peterson. They never, ever can back it up. Why believe that, why follow those words of hate towards Jordan? Why? WHY!?!? WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Jordan, you are truly a benefit to humanity. Keep it up. Cheers
Yeah a guy that does his best to have private conversation be liable. What a great fucking asset to society.
@@Pumbear
It wasn't a private conversation was it? They were bullies and they lied many times and learnt nothing.......despite them being supposed "Professors".....yet with no ethics or honestly, as was shown in the case, right?
Slander & defamation are not covered by free speech under common Law - I think all it means is that I just don't "lie for a good cause I'm fighting for".
Actually try to tell the truth instead. That is not slander or defamation.
What is your concern then, may I ask Sander?
This lawsuit is is very well Justified. defamation and slander is one of the very few things not covered by free speech.
dsadik666 , I think it's better explained in the following manner.
Free speech means speach will be free of censorship, but not of consequences.
defamation and slander are covered under free speech. You are free to say those things, and be judged for them appropriately.
Woke Watch I'm not allowed to publish an article in a newspaper claiming that you're a drug addict and a rapist Etc... it's defamation and can cost you your livelihood. It's illegal and is not covered underneath the same free-speech Clause as for instance... claiming there are only two genders. Free speech is not slander and slander is not free speech and the moment we start combining the two is when we really lose to the left because that's exactly what they want you to do
And so I believe the trick to avoid consequences is to use the word "allegedly" right? Simple. And onus on those who don't do that to face the consequences of their fevered emotional need to attack and do harm in order to feel righteous and virtuous.
You people are fucking disgusting. Please stop your tribal "it's ok when we do it" mindset. No. Comments made in private do not and should not fall under libel or slander. Or do you really think you should get sued for every time you called Hillary a cunt? I don't get how you even manage to type without fainting from the cognitive dissonance.
Simple answer: "Freedom of speech does not protect SLANDER."
Uncle Pete Knows! I’m going through this right now. I have people saying I’ve done stuff and I haven’t. They are even treating me as if I had done it. However, I was raped by a girl named Faron. She handcuffed me after I stepped out of the bathroom. I hadn’t ever done anything like that towards her. She’s just trying to project onto me the slander.
it should
I fully support Jordan Peterson as he sets to redress a terrible slander. Free speech does not tolerate slander
It does tolerate private conversation though. How deep does your tribal nature go honestly?
@@Pumbear the point of free speech is to allow the flow of thoughts to allow for practicality and knowledge to flourish. What benefit does slander have?
@@lets_wrapitup
Right.. So at no point have you ever said anything bad about a person? Cause I find that hard to believe. So be a big man, keep by your principles and turn yourself in for slander.
@@Pumbear you know their is a massive difference between bad and slander. You’re not kidding anyone.
@@lets_wrapitup
Talking bad about people is literally the definition of the word slander. If you insist I am perfectly happy to quote Meriam Webster for you.
Now normally for this to be punishable under the law it requires the comments to be intentionally published, which the people involved didn't do. They had a private conversation. If you want this to be punishable under the law then ALL private slanderous speech should be punishable under the law. In which case, again, you should own up to your principles and turn yourself in.
Love Jordan Peterson! Every time I listen to him I learn something.
That's a sure sign that your an easily-led ignorant bozo. Congrats!
A.H Man You being ignorant of wise words words is like a sheep not heeding to its masters calls and falling into a ditch
A.H Man true
Yeah,the times are good for sosiopathic entrepeneurs nowadays.
@@fluteplayer7mce come on you're just pissed he called out you weird ass Furries xD
also he never said any of those things
you people are so easily manipulated.. it's really frightening
I can't get enough of this guy.. What an incredible man.
"Watch your step buddy. You don't know what the hell you're talking about." I... chills-
I understand his anger and resolve. I developed friendships in my childhood (that remain until this day) that were "problematic" because of apartheid. We had a lot of shit to go through because of it. When some idiot comes along now, accusing me of some -ism they're parrotting, my reaction is just "You have no idea. Just fuck off, goodbye."
if an university uses a pile of lies to censor and discriminate, of course is absolutely justified, is extremely easy to prove them wrong, he has a rock solid case.
In deed sir, this is what one calls - ''open and shut case''
They do have freedom of speech, like anyone else, you are either misunderstanding the whole conversation or pushing an agenda, the university doesnt have freedom of SLANDER of 40+ cases in that single instance. Slander is not free speech, GG Jack
Kaplis Lemesis why shouldn’t they have freedom of slander? Give an actual argument and not reference to the law
BUD Canadian Universities are left wing boot camps,I bitterly resent my tax dollars financing these Marxist Goons.
You just made a moron out of yourself, dont make murder illegal just because it is the law. Slander is a crime, much like murder or theft, nobody has a right to it and if you decide to resort to such action you will be punished under a law with an appropriate sentence depending on how heavily you broke the norm that is described in law. Just because you decided to break a law and now want a free pass, do to your entitlement or whatever illusion, doesn't change the fact you committed a crime
Time for the new Government of Ontario to revoke Laurier' charter, it is a perversion of what a university should be.
Even better would be if their enrollment fell so far they had no choice but to close. Hopefully any prospective students to Laurier will help be made aware of how damaged that institution is through videos like this.
William Babe And therein lies the danger of electing conservatives.
Despicably Irascible Rapscallion The university as it stands, is an example of the danger of electing liberals!
Sir Wilfred Laurier, a staunch liberal of his time, would be appalled not only by what was done at the university bearing his name, but by what Canada has become.
Double Secret Probation is the only sound option.
Good for Jordan Peterson ... Standing up “for” Lindsay Shepherdson and Standing up “To” Wilfred Laurier University
The man is a hero.
A knight in shinning armour.
@@shawngilmore9469
Well said.
No need to flex your knowledge on prepositions but yeah, Jordan's the best
@@bendover9620 oh brother! 🙄
Ol' Wilf would be rolling in his grave if he could see how his own name is being used.
Great interview Professor Peterson - the righteous are as bold as a lion. Proverbs 28:1
I am a Laurier grad (2005) and until this incident occurred, I was the biggest proponent of the institution. I fully support the decision to file lawsuits and I wish I would have been beside Ms. Shepherd for support when she was called before that 'Troika' last fall. When I was there, we really did not know most of the professors' political leanings until we reached the third and fourth years. The difference I felt was that the Marxists were a lot more open about it and would really speak at length on the virtues of Marxism and the evils of capitalism given ANY opportunity, while the more conservative professors would only give their personal points of view if asked directly. My experience was that I went in as a centrist and came out as a much more informed centrist after being exposed to many different points of view. Now it seems that the 'activist' professors have taken over the place at the expense of the academics, at least in the arts.
I don't always agree with Peterson, but I admire his willingness and ability to speak out and go against the crowd.
I'm not sure anyone always agrees with him but there are those who always disagree with him. These are the ones who would compare a decent and honorable man to an ignoble savage like Adolf Hitler.
I wouldn’t want to agree with anyone ‘just because’. Issue by Issue, few people are either correct or wrong all the time.
Voice of reason belongs to Jordan Peterson. I am so impressed with him!!
"He was a survivor of residential schools..." Truth is so refreshing. God Bless Mr Peterson for that.
@Hugh Mungus a network of indigenous boarding schools funded by the government and run by the church.
The purpose of them was to try and destroy aboriginal communities and way of life.
Casually slipped that in as if it were a given...
Gotta love our Jordan, a Canadian treasure xoxoxoxo
D J Foster us Americans truly can no longer say we never got anything from Canada.
More like a Canadian con-artist.
Jay C I don't think that word means what you think it means.
hes treasured by rational thinkers around the world, not just Canada
“Our Jordon”. What a knob-ish thing to say. We are rejoicing in truth, wisdom, sanity ... not nationality. It’s bigger than that.
A wonderful man.
He's truly wonderful.
My king
I think JP is one of the most classy, well informed and well spoken intellectuals out there. Milo, on the other hand, is no fool, but I think he likes to kick the leftist ant-pile simply for the entertainment value. I can kind of respect that too as the left could benefit from a swift kick in the ass on a daily basis. Might rattle something akin to a rational thought loose and wouldn't that be novel.
I, for one, enjoy watching him kick the ant-pile simply for the entertainment value.
Milo has a gay card up his sleeve, and uses it brilliantly )))
Milo says stupid things and insults people. If he didn't have the accent and look like a model people would laugh his immature ass out of the room.
Kaiser Frost ok nobody
I love this guy. Spot on about free speech. We have free speech in the US. You won't be arrested, but you can be sued. Media should be held accountable for the BS they pass on.
Because the people running W L University continued to slander Lindsay Sheppard, she is black balled from opportunities to learn and teach, so she has every right to sue.
For those of us who believe in the principle of free speech, she has a RESPONSIBILITY to sue.
Glad I came across this vid. My Daddy always told me if you got a good friend you stand by 'em. Even when they're in trouble, and it's their fault. I'm so glad Peterson did in nowise apologize. And I'm glad he's suing the Wilfrid U. When people willfully lie and slander in a systematic way, and hide behind the free speech banner, they should get sued.
Finally an interviewer who asks the tough questions with bit of dignity rather than plain attack mode.
I love the way Jordan shows up on all these socialist lefty shows without fear and ruins them.
I guess this ended up taking more out of him than was immediately apparent from just watching his several masterful appearances and lectures from the last few years. He was slowly slipping deeper and deeper into benzodiazepine addiction/dependence and from what I've heard withdrawal/detox from those drugs may be the worst among many horrible drugs to get off of. I sure do hope that he makes a full recovery. His voice/perspective is so desperately needed now as we slip back into another chapter of far left subterfuge and outright fraud going into the next election. The DNC and their media lapdogs are already gearing up a full court press of anti-white racebaiting and feminazi anti-male, anti-hetero fuckery of the sort the Cathy Newman interview would be merely be par for the course.
Sadly the culture-war battle has become so cliche at this point, that a dimwit the likes of Jussie (JU-ssie, really? Where did he get the idea that was a clever or ) Smollett could cut and paste the necessary identi-kit props and dialog into an insta-grammable Oscar-worthy victim-tacular short performance in a period of a few hours and text messages with a couple of willing bodybuilders.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Isn't Jordan Peterson the dumbass who made the argument (I think it was in his Dillahunty debate) that for smokers to quit smoking they have to have a supernatural experience. I wonder if that theory applies to his benzo addiction; certainly worth trying if it could help him become less of a benzo junkie.
I recomend his inerview with mikhaila peterson, is a must watch if you want to know his comment on his benzo drug use. He admits it himself that he's a flawed human, he places himslef among the group of people that need to learn this lesson, "physisan heal thyself, why the hell i didnt see this coming" he said, i admire him more actually knowing he litsen well to his critic even though he didnt have to cuz all the letters people send to him are so very positive and theres very few hate letters people send to him. So thats that, thank god
Im loyal to him as he loyal to his fanbase, i guess thats how i put it.
Owh yeah a dumbass will never get a job at harvard so youre actually factually wrong, hah thats funny.
I'm pretty intrigued: how did you came to the conclusion that this is a "socialist lefty show"?
@@rutvin8763 The guy talks more than 5 normal people combined. A lot of what he says is bullshit along with the 10% he says which is amazingly insightful. Freud was amazingly insightful about the same ratio. Newton apparently had more writing about Christian theology than 10 Principia's put together. Not saying Peterson is a genius of the same stature as Newton obviously, but people of great creative output put out a lot of garbage too. I hope that he can admit he's an addict, because when I saw that interview with his daughter it seemed like a lot of rationalization and he kept talking about physical dependence. Either way he needs help.
That's the world. You should be able to say whatever you want, but you are held accountable for your words. There are people saying "You won't let them get away with lying and ruining people's names with those lies? You must hate free speech!"
The interviewer said just that
the left can't see the forest for the trees.
Accountable in proportion to the amount of harm done. That should be said. It's not said. but it's important.
Perhaps Milo should sue, too!
Milo won't.
How bout no
For what, his comments are well documented.
How about: Milo is being compared to Hitler. And of course his comments are well documented, but they are nothing like Hitler's.
Who exactly should he sue? Internet commenters? There was no institution that called him hitler
HI EVERYONE - 9 hours after this news clip was posted it was hit with a fraudulent copyright strike by the Aspen Institute. I didn't even have time to make my own comments regarding the great discussions below. After this clip single-handedly fed tens of thousands of views to the original 90 minute talk and who knows how many subs for the Aspen Institute UA-cam channel, some asshat over there struck my channel, cutting off the flow of views and subs to their own channel. I'll be releasing a video shortly going over this debacle at length. Of course my appeal was successful. I'll get these convos going again and we'll see if we can't pick up where we left off.
@big spheres Well, I care about the right of channels like his to help spread information, so you're obviously wrong in your statement.
You literally cut someone else's video and posted it with an according title. It's theft; if the creator of original video has a problem with it then he should be able to take your video down.
Well done mate! That’s the great thing about the Internet: these diamonds are forever! PS: I think some people taking a dim view of infringement of copyright are labouring under the misapprehension that Jordan, like most of us, gives a five-star flying fuck, so publish and be damned! Screw censorship! 😈
@@tropicalfruit4571 C'mon, it's the internet, it's "newsy."
The MSN ignore this content, so...... It's not theft, it's welcomed.
My dude, I wanna back you up, but you add Nothing to this. All you did was cut copy and paste... there's nothing noble about that. Hell, you should probably go to jail, get fined and have to do community service...
I love Dr Peterson. He's bad-ass in the best possible way
They are free to say whatever they want but they must also be prepated to take reposibility for what they say.
100
David Gusqui Loor Unfortunately that responsibility is usually not handed out to big entities by judges, it usually only applies to unknown individuals trying to stand up to them. Good for Peterson for taking a big risk in going up against a big entity. I wish more people could do so with some success.
Freedom doesn't include a freedom to injure others.
The right to enjoy a good Reputation is recognized as being a right they own, and not the property of another.
If unfairly robbed of it, a court can punish those who deprive you of it.
They picked a soft target in Ms Shepherd, and thereafter, feeling great, they moved on to bully JBPeterson next.........oops!
They're now chewing on a brick.
They settled for $1.5 million. Ouch!
I agree with your statement
what they did was complete slander they tried in every way possible to use the most inflammatory LIES that were obviously meant to destroy his reputation
6:53
"There's always risk in every decision - there's the risk of doing something, and the risk of not doing something. Both of those risks are usually catastrophic in every decision you make in life."
I'm considering this statement with much gravitas while I think about what to have for lunch.
underrated comment
"Watch your step buddy. You don't know what the hell you are talking about" - I just love how he says that with 100% confidence.
What a gift to civilization.
I just love this man!
I have a degree from Wilfrid Laurier. I was stressed/depressed and even suicidal while I was there. Now watching these Jordan Peterson videos is helping undo all the suffering from that time in my life. Thanks.
Just because you can say whatever you want doesn't mean that there will be no consequences to what you are saying.
Yeah but some people just want money to sit around on their butt and do nothing but have actually harmed people in society. What do I mean? Sometimes the perpetrators try to overtake the victim before the victim tries to speak up. But as a business owner I have dealt with this personally. I have had very disgusting things said about. Very disgusting. And then treated as such.
Jordan Peterson, for president!
Are you sure you don't mean, "...for Prime Minister?" Peterson wouldn't be eligible to be President of the U.S.
Ask President Trump to drop the trade tariffs against Canadian products. We'll let the US have more Peterson in exchange. Fair deal?
Dominique Z Isn't he from Edmonton?
Sebulba He is from Fairview, Alberta. That's about a 4 hour drive NORTH of Edmonton.
Truly the end of the earth for most people.
He's Canadian he can't be the US President. Prime minister of Canada yes.
Wow, a decent journalist. That's something you don't see often.
Her interviewing style seemed to work well, and not go too easy on Professor P., either.
If Peterson was a Preacher I would still listen. His logic is nearly perfect!
Usual explanation given by authority: "We are bringing these charges against you because of a complaint made by XXXX"
We can't reveal any details about it.
"But isn't it creating a chilling effect that those of us that care so much about free speech, want to stay away from?"
A chilling effect on slander and arbitrary assignment as a Nazi? Nope, not worried at all. Chill away.
Perhaps you should think a bit broader Paul. Have you ever critisized anyone in private conversation? Thanks to Jorndan's chilling effect, all of those comments are now liable for slander. Calling Hilarry a cunt among friends becomes punishable by law. Think before you speak.
Calling Hillary a cunt is an expression of dislike, it is a criticism, but not slander. However, calling Hillary an enabler and protector of pedophiles is slander, slander aimed at doing harm to her reputation. I have no evidence that Hillary is an enabler of pedophiles, and therefore would be quite rightly open to a legal challenge on the basis of slander, or in this case, libel.
At no stage would calling anyone a cunt become slander, therefore it could never be illegal.
By dent of a more fine grained example.
Insult: "Bill is a wanker." This is a general pejorative that makes no claim to whether or not Bill actually masturbates.
Slander: Bill has a masturbation problem that he has sought medical help to alleviate. This is slander if it is NOT true.
I think you should think a bit more deeply Sander. Get your categories straight before you try to school someone else on the imaginary distinctions in your head.
@@Pumbear They have always were. Marxists have their own version. Punishable by Twitter. Talk to me how defending your honour is a threat to free speech. And why do you have to defend it? Because of some honourless scum who ignores laws and morals of society. That is why those concepts exist. Because certain people do not know how to behave. Insults are not the way to go. People have to realise that.
Why do you blame a victim?
Good for him! You have to fire a shot or two across their bows sometimes to get their full attention!
I respect Peterson more with each video. He's the finest man I've seen in my lifetime.
When i started attending Laurier in 2014 I couldn’t be happier or more proud of my decision. By the end of attaining my degree, I’m hesitant to even mention that I graduated with a degree from Sir Wilfrid Laurier.
To Idiots saying him suing contradicts his free speech beliefs, JBP advocates for freedom of speech, he doesn't advocate for freedom of consequences for that speech.
you have the right to go into a crowded theatre and shout FIRE. You then bear the consequences of doing so.
The right to say something is absolute. the potential consequences are also. This college is facing the consequences of their speech..
Cosmin Costea Want a better analogy? There really isn't much of a better one. You can be arrested for causing public panic or unrest by shouting "Fire!" In a public theater if there isn't a fire. You can protest the government or write a document claiming a judge mistried you, that's your freedom of speech. But if you told a customer, "My boss is a piece of shit who stole money from our registers last week." And your manager overhears you, he has every right to fire you and then go to HR to look for the appropriate method of suing you for slander.
Robert Feeney But there are different types of consequences. There are natural consequences, like people getting upset over what you say. Then there are legal consequences, which only happen if we let them.
No, you do not have the right to go into the crowded theatre and shout FIRE. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said as much. If you did, then there would be no consequences.
I don't think that's what he's saying.
Freedom of speech MEANS freedom from consequences of speech. At least judicial consequences, since social consequences may emerge from speech that is legal per se (f.ex. people think you are weird or get mad at you).
Peterson is just saying that there are codified limits to free speech, when it comes to slander for example. I agree that it shouldn't be legal to spread false rumours about someone being a rapist, although you are basically just saying things. Slander can have serious consequences to a person's life and should be outlawed.
Not gonna lie everytime I here avout that noble savage comment I get a little heated too. Like don't come at that man like you know him and his relationships, the way jp spoke of his friend was like a sibling and you don't attack someone's relationship to their sibling.
The Red Jester yes, of all people to accuse of that.
A sensibility likely closer to that which initiates colonial catastrophy pulls that out against one of the few the world ever has at any time with humanity enough to guide us all toward healing our biggest wounds
It's an outrage. Makes me almost resentful of peacetime law against violence, because assuming the story is correct, he's counting on its protection while disrespecting it by behaving like that.
He so deserves to get popped.
"Damned if you do. Damned if you don't." Better to be damned for doing than for not doing.
Better to beg forgiveness than ask permission
Jordon going to the little lady's defense was awesome keep it up Sir Galahad ….from a old Marine in Texas!
Reading the title i started watching hoping someone was trying to actually sue Sir Wilfrid Laurier himself.
Mr Peterson, the most liberal a man can be as educated and intellectual as he is.
Canada is fortunate to have a man like Jordan Peterson, the world needs more people with moral (not political) minds.
I do like and respect this man very much! How refreshing it is to listen to good, sound common sense.
"Novel of stupidity" made me laugh out loud.
Love this guy. The world needs more of his type. X
Dr. Peterson is a courageous man willing to put his energy, and even health in jeopardy to stand up for humanity and truths he has witnessed as beneficial to people's well-being.
I was surprised to hear people took issue with the interviewer here. I guess they're so used to interviewers attacking Peterson that it's a knee-jerk reaction to take an aggressive stance toward interviewers for perceived slights, even if they don't exist.
This interviewer did a great job. She was clearly there without bias, to discuss Peterson's thoughts and opinions, and challenge his reasoning when she felt she didn't understand it adequately enough. In doing so, she enlightens herself and the audience to the nuance that we might have otherwise missed, and still been questioning, had she not challenged him. And I'm sure Peterson feels the same.
Did they settle the lawsuit? Or is this still pending? I certainly hope that him and Lindsay Shepard's win.
This not only validates how unacceptable it was to ignorantly slander Jordan but also that teachers aid who was viciously treated for having introduced his teachings to her class. Bravo.
Sheppard's deposition is "It's like a novel of stupidity".I love how the last question is answered and explained with clear calm common sense, admitting it took time to come to, illustrating the risks in making decisions in life. I do however have a moment where the interviewer is nodding(intimating listening) and I imagine another version akin to Ray Winstone's character in "Sexy Beast" during an intimidating scene with Ben Kingsleys, Don Logan." what's that stupid nodding you're doing?' I can't help it. Maybe it's a reach or a fantasy or why I admire Jordan Peterson and Kingsley, though perhaps there are elements of both in each.
Love the care JP takes over the phrasing and delivery. He really is becoming an exemplary model of his tenet that nothing is more deadly than effective speech. I wouldn't fuck with him :)
The sad thing is that we have to argue for free speech.
Counterpoint: it would be far sadder if we DIDN'T argue about it, because that means that someone already drew the line.
You mean, to argue for your right to white privilege, and to deny other people's right to exist? /s
Love Dr. Peterson, a lone voice of reason in the Lewis Carrroll world of academia.
You almost never see a non confrontational interviewer interview Jordan Peterson. This was one of those few times and it was a great interview. Great questions that offered more insight into Mr. Peterson.
I am always amazed at how clear, how focused and how articulate you are Mr. Peterson. It is so unfortunate that there are so few people left that have your clarity and your courage. Bravo Sir !
This man is so much smarter than the average bear they can't even have a conversation with him. I love this guy he is really interesting if you are smart enough to follow! His word choices and the thought he put into his comments is so far beyond the average person.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences. It means you can say what you please, but will have to accept the blow back that may follow.
Man i could screenshot this and present you as a perfect example of a leftist trying to censor free speech. This is WORD PER WORD, the justification that was given when the physicist who landed a probe on a moving asteroid was fired for a "Sexist shirt on TV".
Given how you're here under a Peterson video you're probably not that much of a " Regressive" leftist. But you used the same logic as them. This can also be used to justify online hate mobs. What's the difference here?
Thank you Mr. Peterson, it takes courage and we need more like you. May God bless you.
Jordan is right. I was taught there are times in your life when you will meet people that will only want to do you harm, the do not want to be civil, they do not seek a middle ground. Be prepared on these occasions to speak a language they understand and make your message abundantly clear.
Modern day hero
A decent interviewer for once.
Get well soon Dr Peterson
A lot of people thought she was asking inappropriate or unfair questions, but just watching the intro of the full interview shows she just wanted to get answers from all angles and was more impartial (and perhaps even on his side) than it appeared from this excerpt.
Having seen a lot of Peterson interviews in "the early years", this interviewer was stellar. A journalist's job is to ask probing questions AND to actually listen to the responses. Bari did this exactly right.
I’m glad he’s suing them and I honestly hope the professors responsible lose their jobs with no chance of being hired again, and that’s namely for their blatant abuse of the power they had as administrative faculty. It goes without saying that those who play around irresponsibly with a loaded gun, taking no consideration of the consequences, have absolutely no right to ownership of that gun.
Judge: Mr. Peterson who is representing you?
JP: I'm representing myself your honor.
*Lawyers on the other side starts sweating*
This interviewer is respectful and unpretentious. This is the sort of conversation worthy of Peterson.
what i love about Dr. Peterson is he doesn't get defensive when someone challenges his beliefs; in fact he looks forward to it in order to better articulate his argument or in the case he's wrong (haven't seen it yet lol) to change his beliefs in the crusade for truth. As long as its in a respectful manner, he welcomes pushback with open arms. Amazing
Defamation lawsuits a slippery slope? I don't think so. Laws against slander and libel are there for a reason.
I agree that the University has NOT made proper amends for reprehensible immoral behavior.
What an excellent learning opportunity for the interviewer.
Brilliant Dr. Peterson. Blessings ever from Belfast, Northern Ireland.
You know if people listened to Jordan Peterson , I mean really listen to him I believe that people would calm the hell down. He makes so much sense that he makes you think outside the box. I’m 79 years old and have seen multiple videos of him and it has stimulated my brain to a point that I’m excited to hear or read more of his works. I just received “ 12 Rules for life” and can’t wait to start reading it. Thank you Jordan Peterson.
He also forgot to mention that Milo is a homosexual Jew. That alone would have pretty much driven the point home.
On comparing Hitler to Peterson or Yanopolous: What do you expect from people that want everyone to get trophies?
Free speech does not equal slandering people and defaming them, *especially* as academic professionals
Free speech is not about "being free of responsibility". It's about expressing yourself, understanding consequences of your words and taking responsibility for it.
Its amazing that people try to use this to take the piss out of Jordan's stance of free speech. "See? He's a hypocrite!"
People do not seem to understand what freedom of speech means. It means that you can say anything you want and not be taken away by the police for saying it. But there can be repercussions other than the law for something someone said. I could start shouting racist vulgarities in my workplace and I cannot be jailed for it. But I will be fired immediately and possibly sued if they believe that they lost work because of my tirade.
randydee All that is true but you must admit there are restrictions such as slander and incite to violence .
Lol I read this in Bubbles' voice well said though man.
Shouting racist obscenities is in fact illegal in many western countries, but i get your point, you just used a poor example
“Isn’t suing for slander contradictory to standing for free speech?” Do these people listen to their own bloody questions?
no
It is perfectly well known that suing for slander protects free speech because slander has long been a means of intimidating and silencing people. Journalists seem to think that their role is to antagonize people and to conceal the truth behind a smokescreen of nonsensical statements. Is it any wonder that nobody respects the media anymore.
The interviewer is clearly asking him to explore if it is or isn't contridactary. A good interviewer knows what points to focus on to help slower folk get their head around the meat if the debate. She asked it in a respectable way.
Bit of a pointless attack...
He's suing because of false and defamatory speech...not free speech. Some people.
I love the authority to which Jordan speaks when he speaks on issues like this.
He is superb.
I can totally see this guy as a leader
for anti-racism!