"spongebob is high in seratonin because he's always saying I'm ready. I mean he's ready man, and you can see that! That puts him high on the dominance hierarchy, even though he's a bit of a chump. His boss, uh what's his name again... Oh yeah Mr. Lobster. He's not someone you'd want to have as your boss. He's the tyrannical father."
Listening to jordan peterson is like a boxing match, but you're tied up and he just keeps on punching you in the face with facts and truth. I'm so jealous of the students who have the privilege of attending his lectures
@@aminrad3077 Do you have any idea, how much money those people are paying (putting on their student loans), to listen to Jordan in person? We're getting it for free.
It's interesting how Jordan Peterson recommends that we reject our ideologies and shake up our mental framework of how the world works and yet a lot of the people who post parts of his lectures on UA-cam often use him to justify their own worldview. Not once in this video does he mention "alpha males" nor does he make a parallel between being at the top of a particular dominance hierarchy and being an alpha male. While intuitively they seem like the same thing, human social hierarchies don't have alpha males. I guess what I'm saying is that Essential Truth is using Peterson to project and justify their worldview despite the fact that the good doctor isn't really making a case for that. Or its a clickbait for Red Pillers or something, it's hard to tell.
True, but I guess the main point is that the title is appealing to people with a pretty particular outlook. So either Essential Truth shares those ideas (which I reckon come with the Red Pill/nice guy ideology which goes against what Peterson is about) or they're appealing to those kinds of people because they know that'll get them those sweet, sweet views. Either way you're right its a clickbait title but I'm curious as to whether this channel believes in what they advocate.
I heard that there is no alpha/beta hierarchy in humans and wanted to get Peterson's piece on this. Saying "title is appealing to people with a pretty particular outlook" is wrong, you're here for another reason, aren't you? It's appealing to anyone having an opinion regarding the outlook or those seeking to form an opinion. It is good to have your beliefs challenged, that's when I saw the greatest growth of my character.
I mean sure I came here because I wanted to see what he had to say as well. But the issue is that this video doesn't challenge or support beliefs regarding the existence of alpha males in human hierarchies because the video has nothing to do with the idea of alpha males. So sure its supposed to appeal to anyone who has any opinion on the idea of alpha/beta males, but the lecture has got nothing to do with that. It just doesn't challenge those opinions. So I think the guess that uses the least assumptions is that Essential Truth interprets this excerpt as proof for alpha males and has posted it with that title and description as proof to others. I don't really buy the idea that its any more nuanced than that. And I mean it hasn't failed to bring in the alpha male proponents, there's a fair few in the rest of the comments. Just checked the channel history and there are a bunch of recent videos with titles referring to alpha and beta males, why women reject men, the pay gap, etc. I don't think it takes an internet detective to figure out what kind of opinions this person has. Plus they've monetized their videos, which is a pretty shitty thing to do considering they didn't actually make the content.
Might be a proponent of the said ideas but also might be just a guy making money off the group that has this idea as a core value (MGTOW). Come to think of it, the channel name is something a MGTOW would label themselves (and they love to talk about alpha/beta hierarchy where, of course, alphas are only MGTOW who have learned "the truth"), so you might be correct. They are very vocal about how "enlightened" they are. The videos they post even at some point almost convinced me to be like them until I realized they are just another group seeking to impose own beliefs while claiming these to be factual. But the only fact is that most of them were just severely hurt emotionally (like I was when I nearly aligned myself with the movement) and they seek justification of their hate (which they think is indifference) towards women. Fortunately, I realized I'm an adult and can't blame others for things that happen to me and ultimately are the result of my choices.
Which is a projected problem from people age 50+ as well. I have job interviews where they cannot let go of my few years as a freelancer and critic. After doing some research and the company I tend to do some research on their field and line of work as well so I have some idea where I am going to work. I officially worked as a 'freelancer', but really it was just one company and I was offered a contract during my 3rd year internship. Which I said no to - because I wanted to finish school first - and stayed on-board as a freelancer. Being a critic was tricky at that age (early twenties) because I wasn't as strong at creating solutions for said issues. So every time I commented on something, I didn't really have a solution either, not concrete. Flash forward eight years later (now) and I trained myself to be a critic and creator at the same time. So each time I discuss an issue, I have one or two solutions at hand. Mostly conceptual idea's, but people mostly understand it's just a starting point. So 'millennial's' often have the required knowledge, but they don't know how to apply it yet. They often have new information and angles to approach said problems if given the chance. So what people do is keep them small, instead of giving them a chance to relearn what they know from experienced eyes. And that's not their job, but those who have the experience. And thats a major problem as well, the incompetence and lack of will to properly train juniors in their position. Let them earn their colors, don't hold them back because you feel like a sourpuss because you were so much better at that working stage. Everyone who just finished the highest class in any level of school felt like they were the boss. And each time you go to a new school, there are the seniors who put them back in their place from the day they arrive. This attitude is much worse in the working life, and millenials will do the same because they've been treated as such for quite a few years as well now. Thing is, even though I'm proud of my working attitude right now, new people who don't know me still call me pretentious or arrogant at times. Time often shows them differently. It still hurts each time, because I worked my ass off to get to this point.
Explain to me then what competence Donald Trump had that warranted his dad giving him a million dollars. EDIT: Love how the best you idiots could come up with was, "His rich dad loved and trusted him," which is literally an example of PRIVILEGE, not COMPETENCE. Let me know when you need a band-aid after grasping at those straws.
Rutvin students dont get taught this stuff? Unless they take psychology at a very high level, but what hes talking about is the deeper meanings behind life, making people more aware
@@billylionisnotagoat it took how long for him to move from one place to another place again? yeah, I guess we're all going to spent all of life span before he shown up
Before Peterson, the whole alpha beta obsession and redpill crap I had my own alpha/ beta personality model. I started observing group dynamics in social, academic and sport settings. circa 2007-2012. This model revolves around accepted leadership. The variants are based on aggression, conscientiousness, competitiveness and competence. In my model you have alpha plus and alpha minus, beta plus and beta minus and so on(delta,gamma). My observation was that a beta plus could in situations dominate and lead an alpha minus. My definition of alphas are superior in physical ability and intelligence and must be aggressive/competitive. Your type A personality combined with all the advantages. Higher performers. Very instinctive or primal. No verbal filters and very reactive as well as proactive. Apex people. An alpha minus lacks one or a few of the above with respect to the group objective. Usually intelligence or competence. Roles can switch depending on group objective( alpha to beta) But minus or plus is always permanent. So if the objective switches and you are not the alpha in that particular activity you are now beta but your plus or minus ranking remains. ( alpha minus cannot become a beta plus they will be beta minus) that is based on aggression and competitiveness. My theory was that a beta plus may lack some physical advantages but they are highly aggressive and competitive. Yet they cannot match an alpha plus and do not wish to because they want the best to lead. However in the presence of an alpha minus they will not submit or tolerate incompetence because the alpha minus is unqualified to lead. The beta will take the lead then delegate the alpha minus to a task that puts their ability to the best use. As long as the beta continues to perform and yield results the group willfully accepts this. I noticed this in school social circles, my sports teams and later in university group projects. Sometimes the smartest person in the room was not the best leader. In sports the most athletic did not always command the respect of the team. This rings truer to me than a man being considered an alpha just because of his size and aggression. He could be a total buffoon. Now deltas will never challenge any alpha. Nor gammas to betas. The ability difference is too great. Nor would they think to. I could go on and on with real life observations and example but I hope you get the point. People want to be lead by the person with the greatest chance of success and that is not always the person with the greatest raw ability.
Hey interesting. I read all of that lol. So can I interpret your comment and sum it up by saying "most people would like to be leaded by a person that looks big and strong, as well as intelligently competent"?
As a clinical psychologist in training I can speak to the process of integrating the shadow, to some extent, in myself and have too been lucky enough to bare witness to the process in some people I have worked with. It’s magnificent.
JP explaining that we don't feel comfortable with a space until we've explored it suddenly makes me understand why people give guests tours of their homes. That has always been weird to me.
It's not about being "alpha". "Alpha" is about power, aka oozing testosterone, and it's a primitive expression of masculinity in males. JBP talks about a higher order of dominance: dominance through competence and responsibility, authority through knowledge and character. (Latest update: Jordan Peterson did stop saying "dominance hierarchies". It's not the same thing as "competence hierarchies" because "dominance" hierarchies are about being authoritarian.)
Whoever ibn4 is irrelevant. "Alpha males & everyone below them" is a title as dumb as considering Bill Gates an alpha, although he's at a very top of lots of hierarchies of dominance. Lifting does not make one an alpha at all. Maybe healthier... maybe.
Depends on the dominance hierarchy.. if you don't think strength puts you at the top of dominance hierarchies, you are consciously avoiding those hierarchies because you are currently incompetence in them.
Hermetic Parkour I think you're mixing your definitions of strength. But being alpha means having physical strength. "Alpha male" is a notion used to describe in animal kingdom the males that dominate in relation to the hierarchy of mating. We took that notion and applied to human hierarchies of dominance but it was the wrong thing to do because it does not correctly describe proper human authority. So while one avoids hierarchies based on physical strength one can select battles for dominance only in those hierarchies that pertain to one's other strengths, not necessarily mating. That's why we marry. My thesis here is that humans instinctively have been trying to render hierarchies of mating irrelevant. They are too low on the evolution of our species.
Animal Fun Facts: -Hyenas are very proficient hunters. They frequently hunt more than they scavenge. -Lions frequently scavenge more than hyenas. -Spotted Hyenas live in matriarchal clans, as the females are larger and more aggressive than males. -Male lions evolved manes to protect their necks (mainly from fighting other male lions).
"Betas" do all the dreaming, idealizing, thinking, and *working* to make *anything* in life worthwhile. "Alphas" distract all the patheitic, purely image-driven losers to keep them from interfering with people trying to make LIFE happen.
@Radeonr9280x A That's because ownership status allows/forces them to be alpha. If the employees tried to be alpha, the owners would either fire them or use their position make their lives miserable until they become subordinate.
Guy With Knife "Gestate" lol hahaha what? "Gestate: carry a fetus in the womb from conception to birth." "Gesticulate to make or use gestures, especially dramatic ones, instead of speaking or to emphasize one's words." Lmao I don't blame you, I had to look up what these words meant. They're both weird. Gesticulate sounds like testicles. My autocorrect agrees with me
I love how he doesn't even know the character's names. "Sound. Dialogue. Music. Movement. Not important. I can break this shit down just by the pictures."
To be alpha or beta really doesn't matter, all u have to do differentiate between what u can and can't control and accept or disavow the things that happen around us
You can only truly be alpha if you are already successful at your dreams. That’s why I call myself a masculine man for right now because I’m not at my dreams and goals yet, but I’m on my grind.
9:07 "They keep wrestling" Simba is the adventurer and wrestles with the anima. He tries to beat her, he tries to make up for his inadequacy and tries to get even, in the face of her superiority to him. Thats akin to being rejected as a guy and finding this intrinsic motivation to get stronger and improve, there is hardly anything else that motivates a man more than that. "and then there are on the fringe of the kingdom" And in the process of contending with the anima outside of the "walled garden", the holy land that gave him security and safety, the hero encounters death, gore and insanity (the hyenas making cruel jokes about killing them, coming out of the eyes of an elephant corpse and then that one insane hyena...). Those are my thoughts on this scene. The lion king is deep, there is a lot Im missing out and a lot i cant bring into words. It has almost religious depth
I am very glad on Peterson's videos to see so many in touch with their true nature. It brings gladness to the heart to see not all is lost. To see people have discussions on the Holy Spirit and transcendence without deniers is pretty damn incredible to see..
This is unbelievably true! I experienced it myself my life started at 50 from the moment I started to accept my so called aggressive side the society made me afraid for!
Lol, I want to see a disney movie at 1 hour 30 minutes long, with a Snail King, who shows lessons on life through his slow, meandering experience (snails and slugs experience time much more slowly than humans), teaching a younger snail and demonstrating his dominance over mammals as he lives a life of peace, eating plants which offer no defense at all to his consumption, and these plants live off the remains of the foolish mammals... Then in the last 2 minutes have a bird come down and snatch up both snails and gulp them down. Yum!
@@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard Chad and Tyrone the guys that get all the sex in this wold in current state ..the 20 % of good looking guys. just thought I'd explane it.
Great point about hardening of the face. I found that I did that and it works. People really do react differently! Judging the world is something we are told not to do but it’s the natural way to do things! Don’t beguile your wisdom, it allows you to make judgement.
He passingly notes evidence that the behavior that we call schizophrenia results from conflict between the subconscious and conscious (11:50). This deserves great attention, as it implies that the most severe putative mental disease is not a disease at all.
@@curcumin417 Good correction; Jordon gave no such evidence. He claimed that, in schizophrenics, involuntary control disrupts conscious control of both eye movement and thinking. He did not claim that such conflict _causes_ , or _is_ , schizophrenia. Yet it is implied; and if it is the case that what psychiatrists call schizophrenia is a conscious vs involuntary mental conflict, then it is not a literal/medical disease -and that is indeed worthy of our attention.
In defence of hyenas: when i finally saw one up close, it was playing a game with 2 jackals, and it was fun to watch and appeared fun for all involved. Dog-like pleasure. They do also hunt, and let's not forget lions also scavenge. Ugly, sure, but a tough, sociable, gutsy animal.
I understand everything and nothing at the same time when I listen to JBP. I understand what he says but I don't know how to apply the stuff he says on my own life.
I love the word, 'Beta', because whenever it is used, it's always used to describe how someone else is beta and never the person saying it. 'Me?! Beta?!?! Haha that's funny! It is you who is the beta!'
Beta simply means by urban definition ( societal description of the word ) as being out of tune with the socialization, because you are hogging your ‘chi’ like you are in an unknown or unsafe environment. Women cannot be attracted to this. Men cannot give their bodies a chemical reaction in order to think about procreating. Celibacy is like going cold turkey and once you do it the ‘drive’ for sex isn’t there. Only the ego. And yes it is a handy observational tool but when it comes to socializing there are little to observe and more so to act.
How do you know you are improving? Are you achieving bigger goals and more effectively? If you just think you are better than you were then its really nothing.
So the archetype of simba is Justin treadou unearned privilege but does that mean he will figure it out and set his kingdom right or does it require a rejection and “prodigal son” archetype? And if so how much suffering is going to be a consequence?
He should've been more specific, like "there's hyenas in there, they eat lion cubs, they'll definitely eat you. Stay tfo. And if I catch your punkass sneaking around there, there shall be consequences. Got it? Good. Nah nigga, look me in the eyes and tell me you understand. Good." Then Simba would cringe every time he even thought about it.
Thats part of what makes them fascinating isnt it? They have black/red eyes, black feathers, claws and pointed black beaks. They are always hanging around the dead and are fiercely intelligent corvids. They have the mask of death upon them; and that is precisely why they are fascinating.
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I certainly never got any credit for reporting the "difficult thing to see" to my superiors when I used to work...
@Great Cornholio Or too good : Law N°1 fs.blog/2012/11/never-outshine-the-master/ Bear in mind that Jordan Peterson is talking about part of you reporting to the part of you that's your inner emperor. External superiors may not be so willing to suspend their own ego and may even feel threatened (look up "Shadow King") if you seem more competent than they are.
same here. my guess is that he chose the film to draw an easy to understand parallel? while watching more videos of him i noticed he likes to take works of fiction and analyse them like this. the bible for example. Maybe it's because they were written by humans, which subconsciously set them up in specific ways. for example how nalas purpose in the story is to push simba to become the best version of himself.
@@rubenzs3161 I made that comment 3 years ago lol. Also, sure thing. It's a complete coincidence that the entire thing reads like it was made up by men living ~2000 years ago, with all the themes, topics and the moral framework as well as the personality of their god reflecting their opinions, views and culture back then. The god of the bible sure is all knowing, which is why 99% of the stuff written in that book is outdated, outright false and/or actively going against todays moral code. My favorite part would be Numbers 31:17-18
@@Disappointed_Philosoraptor And this verse is far from the most brutal in the Bible. Nevertheless, it is generally accepted that the rules and laws of the Old Testament no longer apply today. You seem like a good logical debater, are you open to taking this over to Discord or some other platform?
Alpha & Beta aren't phrases Peterson bandy's about because it's usually used for one particular breed of 'top of your hierarchy', it's subjective and situational
Technically no. Sigma males tend to be Alpha's who have no need for the structure hence the Lone Wolf attitude. Scar wanted to be king, he is an Alpha who overthrew another Alpha. If he truly was a Sigma, he would be one his own doing whatever while still getting his needs IE food and females.
I don’t care about “click-bait” as an excuse. One could argue that he is speaking of Alphas, but only in the real sense as in a hierarchy. There can only be one alpha occupying a space at any given time.
The smooth eye movement he talks about is called "Smooth-Pursuit Eye Tracking," and has to be trained (for example by high end gamers or spear-fishers, etc). The choppy eye motion that we usually use is called "Saccadic Eye Movements," and is great for reaction to random stimuli, but bad for aiming on a target you a tracking.
young Peterson watching The Lion King with his parents : - The parents : "Oh look how big the Lion's mane his ! What does the Lions says Jordan ???" -Young JP loudly "RRRRrrrrrrr" -Young JP, to himself : "Hmmm maybe the sun represent the known... So, it implies the outside of its territory represent the unconsciousness..."
So many people misunderstand Hyenas and because of movies like The Lion King they tend to be used as poor examples. The Spotted hyena is an incredibly intelligent and fascinating pack animals plus they're really cute (not Lion King's hideous animated caricature). I recommend anyone to check out Kevin Richardsons page "The Lion Whisperer" who shows how amazing these animals really are.
1:20 The king lion = Standing up straight and tall means you're high in serotonin. Serotonin governs postural flexion, so if you're dominant and at the top of hierarchies you tend to expand so that you look bigger than you could if you shrunk down. If you're a low dominance person, you shrink down so that you look small and weak, and that you don't pose a threat to anybody. (why women take antidepressants in the workplace, to artificially release serotonin to give them "the edge") 2:20 Facial expression = capable of kindness but also harsh and judgmental (means he's integrated his aggression, because the world is harsh like that). The people who are too agreeable look childlike and innocent, while the hyper-aggressive person will look mean and cruel. 7:35 Women makes men self conscious because of their sexual selectivity, and it makes men self conscious like no else. Has produced the evolutionary arms race. 8:05 The son of a king *confuses his privilege with competence.* You take it for granted and it can make you false and arrogant (i.e. university students).
Like any property/characteristic, wouldn't the gap between being alpha and beta be a finely differentiated continuum? I mean there's not just one solitary hot girl in the room and the rest are just ugly.
True. My annoyance at the whole Alpha-Beta thing ("That's exactly what a Beta would say"- Some meathead or loser pretending to not be a loser) is that it is a spectrum and nobody can really define what they mean by Alpha or Beta and nobody is in agreement whatsoever. Some definitions of Alpha that are focused on aggression, dominance, risk taking, and so on are actually not that successful. Men who are extremely aggressive, constantly bullying or dominating people weaker than them, and taking risks aren't some Top-of-the-Food-Chain guys, but they rather end up in prison in advanced societies or end up getting killed in less advanced societies. Even if you look at gangs, organized crime families, drug cartels, and other anti-social groups, the leaders are rarely the most vicious members (although they are usually significantly more ruthless than the average member). Other definitions of Alpha include stuff like having a lot of sexual partners and/or children. Well, than Justin Bieber is far more Alpha than probably any guy you know and so was Prince and so is Mick Jagger or almost any male musician. And if you want to go with someone with a lot of children, some Mormon nerd with eight kids is more Alpha than you. Wealth? Sure, I can definitely believe that, but then Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates are Alpha as fuck. And the other thing is that Beta in animal hierarchies just means lower than the top. By definition, a very small minority of men are Alpha males (regardless of whatever criteria you wish to use). Beta Males are actually potential Alpha Males waiting for their shot. There are also other categories and rankings like Gamma, Omega, Sigma, and so on depending on the species and situation. I find it hard to believe that all (or even a sizeable minority) of self-proclaimed Alpha Males are within the Top 0.5-5% of men in toughness, wealth, or sexual partners.
let's say that alpha is the one that have ''the girls'' and that doesn't have much stress in his life. Then it's as simple as that, who has more power? This is the alpha term we all use so much for no reason. Having the power makes you free, with no stress, and then females come and choose you and if you like them you have sex if not you go to the other one. So who is the alpha? Of course it depends the situation but most of the time the alpha is the one that has money. The iron willed, psychological tough (if not a psychopath in the first place), scar in the face guy ,rish taking, strategy genius, working all day guy will be nothing comparing to the super rich nerd that found a way to make money. That's true, at least I believe it's true. Even if the body and the traits are desirable (i don't know if they are or not), there is nothing like the resources. I guess resources are top in subconscious female human mind that sees the provider. I MAYBE BE WRONG so.... . One thing I know. To succeed you must be a sociopath, a psychopath, or lucky. And of the 3 I am nothing.
@@libertatemadvocatus1797 I can't stop laughing at the idea that Yuckerberg or Bieber is an Alpha! But what you're saying does make sense. Really, labels like alpha or beta are poorly defined in our culture, especially because beta is in general nothing but an insult. I think it's probably inaccurate to define alpha males as "the top 0.5-5% of men in X categories" because alphas of other species in the wild are not alphas simply because they're in a minority of competence or mates, but usually because they're the leader of a family group.
Feminine energy takes in. Masculine produces . The moon takes in the suns light. The female takes the sperm.Each human is comprised of the two energies . What’s most powerful is a balance.
I have seen it a couple of time in these videos, that the title not at all matches the content "Alpha males&beta males"?? What? I think this says a lot more about the uploader than about the really sophisticated speech of Jordan Peterson.
This explains my life. I feel I've finally pieced together my childhood, sleep/depression issues, difficulty reading people,, and even Parkinson's Disease in my family. My life frickin' has been terrible from childhood onward, and now things are finally making sense. I'm in the last few years of life hopefully, but I sincerely hope that doctors take a look at children and can measure their seratonen, dopamine, and other levels.
brnghkmrs If you can balance it with some softer traits, it can certainly work for your benefit. When you look mean but show empathy and fairness in your behavior, it adds depth to the personality and people are drawn to it.
brnghkmrs not saying you don't do it already. But similarly kind-looking people can't act too nice or they're thought to be just doormats, they need to show that they have some toughness in them to contrast with the look. We actually may have things easier :)
Sadly, I think, we're generally first judged by the appearance; and if we pass the test, we're allowed to show our character. This is especially weird in modern age because, as an example, we are seeing more and more successful people not display their success while people who haven't achieved success but strive for it will display the illusion of success. So the appearance has less and less indication of what kind of person you are yet we are still attached to that same habit of judging people by their looks.
The essential truth is that you need to be strong and kind . The essential truth is that you do not need to be violent to be respected , and you don't even need to be respected because you don't care what others think of you . The essential truth is that you don't need to try to win over anyone to raise your self esteem . The essential truth is that every man who believe in alpha males is either a teenager or someone who needs help .
Dave McKay Yes, that is how alphas think. But it's a good thing that only a small percentage of us think this way. This society would not be able to function properly without a large beta population. We can't all be alphas.
I can understand that that is your perception of what he told, but I think that is not necessarily the message he wanted to give. In one of his video's he talks about leadership ( = Alpha ) and that a leader is chosen by the group to be able to protect them and lead them when things aren't the way things are supposed to be. With that in mind, I don't think an Alpha should do what he wants ALL the time. Because if something is necessary and the leader, or the Alpha, is doing something that doesn't help the group; he won't stay long in that position. And being an Alpha without a group isn't really the definition of Alpha..
Even the best professors can't get the projector to work.
Yes, that's because the projector is higher in the dominance hierarchy :D
Right?
Sigma projector work only when they want
Thats an alpha projector. Think about it, It has to constantly infuse light 24/7 to the board and thats not a particularly easy thing to do!
If they can they’re probably no good
Imagine watching Sponge Bob with Jordan Peterson.
"spongebob is high in seratonin because he's always saying I'm ready. I mean he's ready man, and you can see that! That puts him high on the dominance hierarchy, even though he's a bit of a chump. His boss, uh what's his name again... Oh yeah Mr. Lobster. He's not someone you'd want to have as your boss. He's the tyrannical father."
@@heinguy8560 Yeeees! Well done!
@@heinguy8560 that was so good :)))
@@heinguy8560 That was really good.
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that was awesome
Listening to jordan peterson is like a boxing match, but you're tied up and he just keeps on punching you in the face with facts and truth. I'm so jealous of the students who have the privilege of attending his lectures
You do know he has his lectures uploaded right?
Arturo Tejeda yeah but imagine physically being there, that makes a world of a difference. That’s the point I’m making
Dude i said he the The Iron mike Tyson of psychology and if u try to argue with him .. Your just askin to get knocked out ...
@@aminrad3077 Do you have any idea, how much money those people are paying (putting on their student loans), to listen to Jordan in person? We're getting it for free.
Hes a clown
It's interesting how Jordan Peterson recommends that we reject our ideologies and shake up our mental framework of how the world works and yet a lot of the people who post parts of his lectures on UA-cam often use him to justify their own worldview.
Not once in this video does he mention "alpha males" nor does he make a parallel between being at the top of a particular dominance hierarchy and being an alpha male. While intuitively they seem like the same thing, human social hierarchies don't have alpha males. I guess what I'm saying is that Essential Truth is using Peterson to project and justify their worldview despite the fact that the good doctor isn't really making a case for that. Or its a clickbait for Red Pillers or something, it's hard to tell.
Aaron Cummings they're just using clickbait titles. The videos turn out to be interesting, but not what would be expected from the title.
True, but I guess the main point is that the title is appealing to people with a pretty particular outlook. So either Essential Truth shares those ideas (which I reckon come with the Red Pill/nice guy ideology which goes against what Peterson is about) or they're appealing to those kinds of people because they know that'll get them those sweet, sweet views. Either way you're right its a clickbait title but I'm curious as to whether this channel believes in what they advocate.
I heard that there is no alpha/beta hierarchy in humans and wanted to get Peterson's piece on this.
Saying "title is appealing to people with a pretty particular outlook" is wrong, you're here for another reason, aren't you?
It's appealing to anyone having an opinion regarding the outlook or those seeking to form an opinion. It is good to have your beliefs challenged, that's when I saw the greatest growth of my character.
I mean sure I came here because I wanted to see what he had to say as well. But the issue is that this video doesn't challenge or support beliefs regarding the existence of alpha males in human hierarchies because the video has nothing to do with the idea of alpha males. So sure its supposed to appeal to anyone who has any opinion on the idea of alpha/beta males, but the lecture has got nothing to do with that. It just doesn't challenge those opinions. So I think the guess that uses the least assumptions is that Essential Truth interprets this excerpt as proof for alpha males and has posted it with that title and description as proof to others. I don't really buy the idea that its any more nuanced than that. And I mean it hasn't failed to bring in the alpha male proponents, there's a fair few in the rest of the comments.
Just checked the channel history and there are a bunch of recent videos with titles referring to alpha and beta males, why women reject men, the pay gap, etc. I don't think it takes an internet detective to figure out what kind of opinions this person has. Plus they've monetized their videos, which is a pretty shitty thing to do considering they didn't actually make the content.
Might be a proponent of the said ideas but also might be just a guy making money off the group that has this idea as a core value (MGTOW).
Come to think of it, the channel name is something a MGTOW would label themselves (and they love to talk about alpha/beta hierarchy where, of course, alphas are only MGTOW who have learned "the truth"), so you might be correct.
They are very vocal about how "enlightened" they are. The videos they post even at some point almost convinced me to be like them until I realized they are just another group seeking to impose own beliefs while claiming these to be factual.
But the only fact is that most of them were just severely hurt emotionally (like I was when I nearly aligned myself with the movement) and they seek justification of their hate (which they think is indifference) towards women. Fortunately, I realized I'm an adult and can't blame others for things that happen to me and ultimately are the result of my choices.
"Confusing privilege with competence" pretty well sums up your average highly educated millennial arguing their feelings against objective reality.
Which is a projected problem from people age 50+ as well. I have job interviews where they cannot let go of my few years as a freelancer and critic. After doing some research and the company I tend to do some research on their field and line of work as well so I have some idea where I am going to work. I officially worked as a 'freelancer', but really it was just one company and I was offered a contract during my 3rd year internship. Which I said no to - because I wanted to finish school first - and stayed on-board as a freelancer. Being a critic was tricky at that age (early twenties) because I wasn't as strong at creating solutions for said issues. So every time I commented on something, I didn't really have a solution either, not concrete. Flash forward eight years later (now) and I trained myself to be a critic and creator at the same time. So each time I discuss an issue, I have one or two solutions at hand. Mostly conceptual idea's, but people mostly understand it's just a starting point. So 'millennial's' often have the required knowledge, but they don't know how to apply it yet. They often have new information and angles to approach said problems if given the chance. So what people do is keep them small, instead of giving them a chance to relearn what they know from experienced eyes. And that's not their job, but those who have the experience. And thats a major problem as well, the incompetence and lack of will to properly train juniors in their position.
Let them earn their colors, don't hold them back because you feel like a sourpuss because you were so much better at that working stage. Everyone who just finished the highest class in any level of school felt like they were the boss. And each time you go to a new school, there are the seniors who put them back in their place from the day they arrive. This attitude is much worse in the working life, and millenials will do the same because they've been treated as such for quite a few years as well now.
Thing is, even though I'm proud of my working attitude right now, new people who don't know me still call me pretentious or arrogant at times. Time often shows them differently. It still hurts each time, because I worked my ass off to get to this point.
Explain to me then what competence Donald Trump had that warranted his dad giving him a million dollars.
EDIT: Love how the best you idiots could come up with was, "His rich dad loved and trusted him," which is literally an example of PRIVILEGE, not COMPETENCE. Let me know when you need a band-aid after grasping at those straws.
@@greenred6200 he hasn't committed suicide against anyone like other candidates
Green Red he dad trusted him enough with the money so his dad at least thought he was competent. Turns out he was right. Why so butthurt?
@@greenred6200 the competence of his dad to make a million dollars
Dude if he starts a channel doing movie reviews I’m paying money for it
Lol
Genius idea
Check Jay Dyer..hes in a similar mould as JP and does movie reviews!
I second that
this guy is a fountain of knowledge
...for the uneducated and gullible.
More like a waterfall
Rutvin students dont get taught this stuff? Unless they take psychology at a very high level, but what hes talking about is the deeper meanings behind life, making people more aware
More like the sewers of Mumbai
@@rutvin8763 which is you, because youre here.
HOW DARE HE INSULT THE SNAIL KING
when the snail king gets here there will be hell to pay unless you have salt
He doesn't know where he's stepping on. I would be careful if I were you Jordan. One word and you are done for.
@@billylionisnotagoat it took how long for him to move from one place to another place again? yeah, I guess we're all going to spent all of life span before he shown up
All Hail the Snail King!!!!
That snail is fast!!!
I feel Jung again.
an effect of listening to one of the Jung-est psychologists around
Golden
I see what you did there...
Lmaooo. That was good.
that pun blue my mind
Before Peterson, the whole alpha beta obsession and redpill crap I had my own alpha/ beta personality model. I started observing group dynamics in social, academic and sport settings. circa 2007-2012. This model revolves around accepted leadership. The variants are based on aggression, conscientiousness, competitiveness and competence. In my model you have alpha plus and alpha minus, beta plus and beta minus and so on(delta,gamma). My observation was that a beta plus could in situations dominate and lead an alpha minus. My definition of alphas are superior in physical ability and intelligence and must be aggressive/competitive. Your type A personality combined with all the advantages. Higher performers. Very instinctive or primal. No verbal filters and very reactive as well as proactive. Apex people. An alpha minus lacks one or a few of the above with respect to the group objective. Usually intelligence or competence. Roles can switch depending on group objective( alpha to beta) But minus or plus is always permanent. So if the objective switches and you are not the alpha in that particular activity you are now beta but your plus or minus ranking remains. ( alpha minus cannot become a beta plus they will be beta minus) that is based on aggression and competitiveness. My theory was that a beta plus may lack some physical advantages but they are highly aggressive and competitive. Yet they cannot match an alpha plus and do not wish to because they want the best to lead. However in the presence of an alpha minus they will not submit or tolerate incompetence because the alpha minus is unqualified to lead. The beta will take the lead then delegate the alpha minus to a task that puts their ability to the best use. As long as the beta continues to perform and yield results the group willfully accepts this. I noticed this in school social circles, my sports teams and later in university group projects. Sometimes the smartest person in the room was not the best leader. In sports the most athletic did not always command the respect of the team. This rings truer to me than a man being considered an alpha just because of his size and aggression. He could be a total buffoon. Now deltas will never challenge any alpha. Nor gammas to betas. The ability difference is too great. Nor would they think to. I could go on and on with real life observations and example but I hope you get the point. People want to be lead by the person with the greatest chance of success and that is not always the person with the greatest raw ability.
That's an interesting theory
Nice hypothetical model.
Hey interesting. I read all of that lol. So can I interpret your comment and sum it up by saying "most people would like to be leaded by a person that looks big and strong, as well as intelligently competent"?
Where do sigma and omegas fit into this model? I’m a sigma, so I’m curious as to where they fit in your model.
that's a quite interesting model.
This is the most in-depth movie review of The Lion King, EVER!
As a clinical psychologist in training I can speak to the process of integrating the shadow, to some extent, in myself and have too been lucky enough to bare witness to the process in some people I have worked with. It’s magnificent.
JP explaining that we don't feel comfortable with a space until we've explored it suddenly makes me understand why people give guests tours of their homes. That has always been weird to me.
They also do it to show off, lol. But you're right, it's to know your suroundings.
It's not about being "alpha". "Alpha" is about power, aka oozing testosterone, and it's a primitive expression of masculinity in males. JBP talks about a higher order of dominance: dominance through competence and responsibility, authority through knowledge and character.
(Latest update: Jordan Peterson did stop saying "dominance hierarchies". It's not the same thing as "competence hierarchies" because "dominance" hierarchies are about being authoritarian.)
dan pasare nah bro, that omega dude with the edgy profile name was "inb4" your comment. I bet he doesn't even lift...other than cigarettes and booze;)
Whoever ibn4 is irrelevant. "Alpha males & everyone below them" is a title as dumb as considering Bill Gates an alpha, although he's at a very top of lots of hierarchies of dominance. Lifting does not make one an alpha at all. Maybe healthier... maybe.
I know, man. I agree with you.
Depends on the dominance hierarchy.. if you don't think strength puts you at the top of dominance hierarchies, you are consciously avoiding those hierarchies because you are currently incompetence in them.
Hermetic Parkour
I think you're mixing your definitions of strength. But being alpha means having physical strength. "Alpha male" is a notion used to describe in animal kingdom the males that dominate in relation to the hierarchy of mating. We took that notion and applied to human hierarchies of dominance but it was the wrong thing to do because it does not correctly describe proper human authority. So while one avoids hierarchies based on physical strength one can select battles for dominance only in those hierarchies that pertain to one's other strengths, not necessarily mating. That's why we marry. My thesis here is that humans instinctively have been trying to render hierarchies of mating irrelevant. They are too low on the evolution of our species.
Animal Fun Facts:
-Hyenas are very proficient hunters. They frequently hunt more than they scavenge.
-Lions frequently scavenge more than hyenas.
-Spotted Hyenas live in matriarchal clans, as the females are larger and more aggressive than males.
-Male lions evolved manes to protect their necks (mainly from fighting other male lions).
You need a balance, you need alphas and betas for a society to function. They have their uses.
Baghuul thank you for that wisdom
"Betas" do all the dreaming, idealizing, thinking, and *working* to make *anything* in life worthwhile.
"Alphas" distract all the patheitic, purely image-driven losers to keep them from interfering with people trying to make LIFE happen.
@Radeonr9280x A there's no way he actually believes that 😂🤣😂🤣 what a joke
@Radeonr9280x A That's because ownership status allows/forces them to be alpha. If the employees tried to be alpha, the owners would either fire them or use their position make their lives miserable until they become subordinate.
Can y'all shut up? Lol
Good old musafa, he was always my favorite character
I like cars, personally
@@jasongr3219 but that’s madoris brother how could he?
hyenas were more fun imo
This man know how to gesticulate.
actions speak louder than words. And his arms are everywhere.
Yeah i think uuuuuuhhh you meant "gestate"
Guy With Knife
"Gestate" lol hahaha what?
"Gestate: carry a fetus in the womb from conception to birth."
"Gesticulate to make or use gestures, especially dramatic ones, instead of speaking or to emphasize one's words."
Lmao I don't blame you, I had to look up what these words meant. They're both weird. Gesticulate sounds like testicles. My autocorrect agrees with me
No-Wun This man knows how to gestate.
I wasn't interested in his gesticles but to each his own :)
I love how he doesn't even know the character's names.
"Sound. Dialogue. Music. Movement. Not important. I can break this shit down just by the pictures."
He knows the character's names...he's just checking to see how engaged his students are by enticing them to call it out. (and it works)
I think he did that on purpose.
You're clueless aren't you. He's positioning himself.
To be alpha or beta really doesn't matter, all u have to do differentiate between what u can and can't control and accept or disavow the things that happen around us
JustSomeDude iGuess wise statement there. Sone think they’re a tough guy alpha but don’t control anything.
You are right and it had to be said
That's exactly what a beta male would say
@@pedrocalebe6407 that is something a insecure person would say.
You can only truly be alpha if you are already successful at your dreams. That’s why I call myself a masculine man for right now because I’m not at my dreams and goals yet, but I’m on my grind.
I love this man so much. How I wish he had been my teacher.
Luckily we get to enjoy his lectures on UA-cam. Thanks for uploading these.
9:07 "They keep wrestling"
Simba is the adventurer and wrestles with the anima. He tries to beat her, he tries to make up for his inadequacy and tries to get even, in the face of her superiority to him. Thats akin to being rejected as a guy and finding this intrinsic motivation to get stronger and improve, there is hardly anything else that motivates a man more than that.
"and then there are on the fringe of the kingdom"
And in the process of contending with the anima outside of the "walled garden", the holy land that gave him security and safety, the hero encounters death, gore and insanity (the hyenas making cruel jokes about killing them, coming out of the eyes of an elephant corpse and then that one insane hyena...).
Those are my thoughts on this scene. The lion king is deep, there is a lot Im missing out and a lot i cant bring into words. It has almost religious depth
If I was in this class, I'd be like "woah, slow down Dr. Peterson, can you go over that again?"
Yea especially me with my English on B1 level
But even when i don't understand some words I think that is profitable to watch Jordan Peterson
lol "musofa"
"Muhsofa"
😂😂😂😂
mrbrockpeters musofa musfoa musofa!
get your feet of musofa
lol yeah
"Privilege"
Triggered
🐵
Idiot
Shut up beta bitch
hahahahahahaha
I am very glad on Peterson's videos to see so many in touch with their true nature. It brings gladness to the heart to see not all is lost. To see people have discussions on the Holy Spirit and transcendence without deniers is pretty damn incredible to see..
Jordan "and so" Peterson
*makes a triangle with both index fingers*
This is unbelievably true! I experienced it myself my life started at 50 from the moment I started to accept my so called aggressive side the society made me afraid for!
Maybe you got some built up anger
There’s a fine line between ‘aggression’ and ‘stupidity’.
Lol, I want to see a disney movie at 1 hour 30 minutes long, with a Snail King, who shows lessons on life through his slow, meandering experience (snails and slugs experience time much more slowly than humans), teaching a younger snail and demonstrating his dominance over mammals as he lives a life of peace, eating plants which offer no defense at all to his consumption, and these plants live off the remains of the foolish mammals...
Then in the last 2 minutes have a bird come down and snatch up both snails and gulp them down. Yum!
Please make this happen
Movie has already been made: it's called "Ratatouille" by PIXAR. About a smart rat who coaches a human how to cook 5-star Parisian restaurant food
@@susampson278 he's talking about snails dude
eschelar this was a nice idea
Surely snails would experience time faster than humans?
Chad thundercock liked this video
What the fuck?
Captain Falcon Arhh Chad Hunt or Chad Douglas?
Yes I Did! Thank yoou
@@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard NORMIEEEE
@@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard Chad and Tyrone the guys that get all the sex in this wold in current state ..the 20 % of good looking guys. just thought I'd explane it.
This is one of the most brilliant lectures by him, a real eye opener. I wish I knew all this earlier
I for sure would take off my hat in a class of Jordan Peterson
Great point about hardening of the face. I found that I did that and it works. People really do react differently! Judging the world is something we are told not to do but it’s the natural way to do things! Don’t beguile your wisdom, it allows you to make judgement.
He passingly notes evidence that the behavior that we call schizophrenia results from conflict between the subconscious and conscious (11:50).
This deserves great attention, as it implies that the most severe putative mental disease is not a disease at all.
Nice claim, but where's the evidence
@@curcumin417 Good correction; Jordon gave no such evidence. He claimed that, in schizophrenics, involuntary control disrupts conscious control of both eye movement and thinking.
He did not claim that such conflict _causes_ , or _is_ , schizophrenia. Yet it is implied; and if it is the case that what psychiatrists call schizophrenia is a conscious vs involuntary mental conflict, then it is not a literal/medical disease -and that is indeed worthy of our attention.
In defence of hyenas: when i finally saw one up close, it was playing a game with 2 jackals, and it was fun to watch and appeared fun for all involved. Dog-like pleasure. They do also hunt, and let's not forget lions also scavenge. Ugly, sure, but a tough, sociable, gutsy animal.
I understand everything and nothing at the same time when I listen to JBP. I understand what he says but I don't know how to apply the stuff he says on my own life.
Because you are stupid
@@mateuszskalski83 doubt you can too lol
@@mateuszskalski83
Thats really helpful of you, Mateus.
Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on how he could fix that problem?
Because he’s full of crap
I hope my university lecturers are 10% as good as Peterson. Much respect!!
I wish Mr.Jordan Peterson was my teacher in university
Dr. *
Women JP is being a little less draconian than normal & is speaking some very valuable truth. Bravo
Listening to this the 2nd day in my new apartment 🤔
And he’s right. Currently placing things and cleaning everything. Interesting.
That's a professor with passion! The students are enthralled!
I love the word, 'Beta', because whenever it is used, it's always used to describe how someone else is beta and never the person saying it.
'Me?! Beta?!?! Haha that's funny! It is you who is the beta!'
Assy McGee
Please don’t ever make any more puns.
Beta simply means by urban definition ( societal description of the word ) as being out of tune with the socialization, because you are hogging your ‘chi’ like you are in an unknown or unsafe environment. Women cannot be attracted to this. Men cannot give their bodies a chemical reaction in order to think about procreating. Celibacy is like going cold turkey and once you do it the ‘drive’ for sex isn’t there. Only the ego. And yes it is a handy observational tool but when it comes to socializing there are little to observe and more so to act.
Jered *laughs in beta*
*Tester*
"person uhhh...lion."
lmfao
hadoukient LiOnS aRe PeOpLe ToO
I feel like I keep looking for the right way to act, always trying to improve myself in some way I keep coming to Jordan for these reasons.
How do you know you are improving?
Are you achieving bigger goals and more effectively?
If you just think you are better than you were then its really nothing.
what a wise man! Very logical examples too. His students are very lucky to have him as professor
Lizzy3141592 C. The guy thinks he’ll go to jail if he calls someone by the wrong pronoun. What the fuck do you mean he’s “wise”?
So the archetype of simba is Justin treadou unearned privilege but does that mean he will figure it out and set his kingdom right or does it require a rejection and “prodigal son” archetype? And if so how much suffering is going to be a consequence?
I cant stop listening to this Peterson!
Simba actually asks Musofa first. He says something like “what about that place there?” Which is dark THEN the king tells him he must never go there.
lol, it's MuFAsa, not MuSAfa!
He should've been more specific, like "there's hyenas in there, they eat lion cubs, they'll definitely eat you. Stay tfo. And if I catch your punkass sneaking around there, there shall be consequences. Got it? Good. Nah nigga, look me in the eyes and tell me you understand. Good." Then Simba would cringe every time he even thought about it.
I learned 386 new things in this presentation. Man he can deliver a punch
Stop lying
This man talk a lot and say a little... Incredible
Try listening a little harder.
Ravens and crows are most certainly not creepy in any way, shape or form. They are extraordinarily fascinating!
Thats part of what makes them fascinating isnt it?
They have black/red eyes, black feathers, claws and pointed black beaks. They are always hanging around the dead and are fiercely intelligent corvids. They have the mask of death upon them; and that is precisely why they are fascinating.
I certainly never got any credit for reporting the "difficult thing to see" to my superiors when I used to work...
@Great Cornholio Or too good : Law N°1 fs.blog/2012/11/never-outshine-the-master/
Bear in mind that Jordan Peterson is talking about part of you reporting to the part of you that's your inner emperor. External superiors may not be so willing to suspend their own ego and may even feel threatened (look up "Shadow King") if you seem more competent than they are.
His brilliance is humbling!
Wow great point. Many students mistake PRIVILEGE with CONFIDENCE.
*competance
Honestly I don't know if Disney had all this things in mind when they made this movie but the interpretation is awesome!
I guess these things are just wired into us, and so they recur in the stories we tell. Peterson's just a master of recognizing them.
@@merlijn1722 exactly, I think those things are hardwired into us part of our subconcious
This guy is so wise I’d kill to be sitting in that room
Booty king
Yago this isn't the first time you've replied "booty king"
You can move your eyes smoothly from left to right if you try really hard not to momentarily focus.
Jordan Peterson is helping me become the man I want to be. I want to thank him one day
He is my prophet. I hope I can meet him one day, too. He made me look at myself and think really hard about what I want in this life.
Jordan Peterson is a coherent rambler.
paradox is the tension that drives the universe.
Jordan Peterson is phenomenal.
"Snail King" LOL. Could make for a very interesting parody.
Booty king
Titty king
Jordan has the unique ability to apply psychological theory to reality!
I like Jordan's ideas.
The only thing that stops me to put whole trust in this, is that he explains them with a fiction story instead with real ones.
same here. my guess is that he chose the film to draw an easy to understand parallel? while watching more videos of him i noticed he likes to take works of fiction and analyse them like this. the bible for example. Maybe it's because they were written by humans, which subconsciously set them up in specific ways. for example how nalas purpose in the story is to push simba to become the best version of himself.
@@Disappointed_PhilosoraptorThe bible is not fiction
@@rubenzs3161 I made that comment 3 years ago lol. Also, sure thing. It's a complete coincidence that the entire thing reads like it was made up by men living ~2000 years ago, with all the themes, topics and the moral framework as well as the personality of their god reflecting their opinions, views and culture back then.
The god of the bible sure is all knowing, which is why 99% of the stuff written in that book is outdated, outright false and/or actively going against todays moral code.
My favorite part would be Numbers 31:17-18
@@Disappointed_Philosoraptor And this verse is far from the most brutal in the Bible. Nevertheless, it is generally accepted that the rules and laws of the Old Testament no longer apply today.
You seem like a good logical debater, are you open to taking this over to Discord or some other platform?
The prime definition of a rambling man. Why is is so hard for him to stick to the point and prove the point.
Alpha & Beta aren't phrases Peterson bandy's about because it's usually used for one particular breed of 'top of your hierarchy', it's subjective and situational
Prove it fat boy
It's based on looks, money, status.
Don’t confuse your privilege with competence. What a read!
So Scar is a Sigma male
Technically no. Sigma males tend to be Alpha's who have no need for the structure hence the Lone Wolf attitude. Scar wanted to be king, he is an Alpha who overthrew another Alpha. If he truly was a Sigma, he would be one his own doing whatever while still getting his needs IE food and females.
No, Scar kill Mufasa to take his place. He is part of the dominance hierarchiy.
Caesar Seriona im glad mentioned sigma bc i hadnt heard of it only alpha, beta. Is there other types or is that just it?
Jennifer Hill there is Omega but the definition isn't clear.
Pie is great.
I don’t care about “click-bait” as an excuse.
One could argue that he is speaking of Alphas, but only in the real sense as in a hierarchy. There can only be one alpha occupying a space at any given time.
Is it just me or is his voice soothing?🤔
Its the voice of integrated man
The smooth eye movement he talks about is called "Smooth-Pursuit Eye Tracking," and has to be trained (for example by high end gamers or spear-fishers, etc). The choppy eye motion that we usually use is called "Saccadic Eye Movements," and is great for reaction to random stimuli, but bad for aiming on a target you a tracking.
young Peterson watching The Lion King with his parents :
- The parents : "Oh look how big the Lion's mane his ! What does the Lions says Jordan ???"
-Young JP loudly "RRRRrrrrrrr"
-Young JP, to himself : "Hmmm maybe the sun represent the known... So, it implies the outside of its territory represent the unconsciousness..."
So many people misunderstand Hyenas and because of movies like The Lion King they tend to be used as poor examples. The Spotted hyena is an incredibly intelligent and fascinating pack animals plus they're really cute (not Lion King's hideous animated caricature). I recommend anyone to check out Kevin Richardsons page "The Lion Whisperer" who shows how amazing these animals really are.
"What about the hyenas?"
"Nah, (BLEEP) those guys."
1:20 The king lion = Standing up straight and tall means you're high in serotonin. Serotonin governs postural flexion, so if you're dominant and at the top of hierarchies you tend to expand so that you look bigger than you could if you shrunk down. If you're a low dominance person, you shrink down so that you look small and weak, and that you don't pose a threat to anybody. (why women take antidepressants in the workplace, to artificially release serotonin to give them "the edge")
2:20 Facial expression = capable of kindness but also harsh and judgmental (means he's integrated his aggression, because the world is harsh like that). The people who are too agreeable look childlike and innocent, while the hyper-aggressive person will look mean and cruel.
7:35 Women makes men self conscious because of their sexual selectivity, and it makes men self conscious like no else. Has produced the evolutionary arms race.
8:05 The son of a king *confuses his privilege with competence.* You take it for granted and it can make you false and arrogant (i.e. university students).
title is misleading; he never even says “beta males”
because its discriminatory.
@@alexeben7776 ?
Like any property/characteristic, wouldn't the gap between being alpha and beta be a finely differentiated continuum? I mean there's not just one solitary hot girl in the room and the rest are just ugly.
True.
My annoyance at the whole Alpha-Beta thing ("That's exactly what a Beta would say"- Some meathead or loser pretending to not be a loser) is that it is a spectrum and nobody can really define what they mean by Alpha or Beta and nobody is in agreement whatsoever.
Some definitions of Alpha that are focused on aggression, dominance, risk taking, and so on are actually not that successful. Men who are extremely aggressive, constantly bullying or dominating people weaker than them, and taking risks aren't some Top-of-the-Food-Chain guys, but they rather end up in prison in advanced societies or end up getting killed in less advanced societies. Even if you look at gangs, organized crime families, drug cartels, and other anti-social groups, the leaders are rarely the most vicious members (although they are usually significantly more ruthless than the average member).
Other definitions of Alpha include stuff like having a lot of sexual partners and/or children. Well, than Justin Bieber is far more Alpha than probably any guy you know and so was Prince and so is Mick Jagger or almost any male musician. And if you want to go with someone with a lot of children, some Mormon nerd with eight kids is more Alpha than you.
Wealth? Sure, I can definitely believe that, but then Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates are Alpha as fuck.
And the other thing is that Beta in animal hierarchies just means lower than the top. By definition, a very small minority of men are Alpha males (regardless of whatever criteria you wish to use). Beta Males are actually potential Alpha Males waiting for their shot. There are also other categories and rankings like Gamma, Omega, Sigma, and so on depending on the species and situation. I find it hard to believe that all (or even a sizeable minority) of self-proclaimed Alpha Males are within the Top 0.5-5% of men in toughness, wealth, or sexual partners.
let's say that alpha is the one that have ''the girls'' and that doesn't have much stress in his life. Then it's as simple as that, who has more power? This is the alpha term we all use so much for no reason. Having the power makes you free, with no stress, and then females come and choose you and if you like them you have sex if not you go to the other one. So who is the alpha? Of course it depends the situation but most of the time the alpha is the one that has money. The iron willed, psychological tough (if not a psychopath in the first place), scar in the face guy ,rish taking, strategy genius, working all day guy will be nothing comparing to the super rich nerd that found a way to make money. That's true, at least I believe it's true. Even if the body and the traits are desirable (i don't know if they are or not), there is nothing like the resources. I guess resources are top in subconscious female human mind that sees the provider. I MAYBE BE WRONG so.... . One thing I know. To succeed you must be a sociopath, a psychopath, or lucky. And of the 3 I am nothing.
@@libertatemadvocatus1797 I can't stop laughing at the idea that Yuckerberg or Bieber is an Alpha!
But what you're saying does make sense. Really, labels like alpha or beta are poorly defined in our culture, especially because beta is in general nothing but an insult.
I think it's probably inaccurate to define alpha males as "the top 0.5-5% of men in X categories" because alphas of other species in the wild are not alphas simply because they're in a minority of competence or mates, but usually because they're the leader of a family group.
Alpha male doesn't go where Despair is king.
Dang!!! The video was cut off, right when I was getting some good info........
I like that he doesnt have a Mac
And that his laptop has an RGB keyboard ^^
I wish more professors would open up their classrooms to the world.
that would be nice. I think that way we'd also have less of them booting students who don't accept their gender-spectrum science denial.
"everything is coming in and nothing is coming Out" - me in a nutshell
"Everything is coming in and nothing is coming Out."
That's what she said!
Feminine energy takes in. Masculine produces . The moon takes in the suns light. The female takes the sperm.Each human is comprised of the two energies . What’s most powerful is a balance.
@@islomkayumov4552
Michael Scott? ...☺
@@wendellcasquejo4669 yeesh
Personality is the keys guys
*What Jordan Peterson speaks about in this video:* The shadow
*What people will remember the most about it:* Musafa
I have seen it a couple of time in these videos, that the title not at all matches the content "Alpha males&beta males"?? What? I think this says a lot more about the uploader than about the really sophisticated speech of Jordan Peterson.
If only JP and Alan Watts could pick each others brain out.
I really wish Alan was still with us, although his words of wisdom will always be with us.
"Snail king" had me dead.
These videos are so poorly titled lol. How about: "What the lion king can teach us about society".
I’d like to market a series of kids movies where Jordan Peterson breaks down each major scene.
I’d take this class in a heartbeat 😂
Id pay him $300 just to talk to me for 3houra with a 20min intermission about various psychological topics. He is on point
He is so well read and intelligent he always proposes viewpoints that leave me dumbfounded in how sensical they are
Sorry for anyone who's here because of the title. Still a good talk. Definitely worth a listen.
This explains my life. I feel I've finally pieced together my childhood, sleep/depression issues, difficulty reading people,, and even Parkinson's Disease in my family.
My life frickin' has been terrible from childhood onward, and now things are finally making sense. I'm in the last few years of life hopefully, but I sincerely hope that doctors take a look at children and can measure their seratonen, dopamine, and other levels.
Where can I find the full lecture please?
Alphas are alone in the crowd
Alone, only to be with everyone when you are needed.
what did you mean? that kind of lead the crowd
No its the low value omega male
I'm told I look mean and have cruel eyes so I take that as a compliment now
The problem with that is it causes people to dislike you, whether fairly or otherwise.
I'm told I look mean too. Many girls like the brute looks but many others are afraid of it.
brnghkmrs If you can balance it with some softer traits, it can certainly work for your benefit. When you look mean but show empathy and fairness in your behavior, it adds depth to the personality and people are drawn to it.
brnghkmrs not saying you don't do it already. But similarly kind-looking people can't act too nice or they're thought to be just doormats, they need to show that they have some toughness in them to contrast with the look. We actually may have things easier :)
Sadly, I think, we're generally first judged by the appearance; and if we pass the test, we're allowed to show our character.
This is especially weird in modern age because, as an example, we are seeing more and more successful people not display their success while people who haven't achieved success but strive for it will display the illusion of success. So the appearance has less and less indication of what kind of person you are yet we are still attached to that same habit of judging people by their looks.
Alpha seldom or at the top of the food chain for an extended. Of time
The essential truth is that you need to be strong and kind . The essential truth is that you do not need to be violent to be respected , and you don't even need to be respected because you don't care what others think of you . The essential truth is that you don't need to try to win over anyone to raise your self esteem . The essential truth is that every man who believe in alpha males is either a teenager or someone who needs help .
Do what you want ALL the time.
Dave McKay amen bruh, fuck all the betas and their feelings.
Dave McKay right now i want to fuck a dead corpse. Alpha YEAHHHH !!
Dave McKay Yes, that is how alphas think. But it's a good thing that only a small percentage of us think this way. This society would not be able to function properly without a large beta population. We can't all be alphas.
I can understand that that is your perception of what he told, but I think that is not necessarily the message he wanted to give. In one of his video's he talks about leadership ( = Alpha ) and that a leader is chosen by the group to be able to protect them and lead them when things aren't the way things are supposed to be. With that in mind, I don't think an Alpha should do what he wants ALL the time. Because if something is necessary and the leader, or the Alpha, is doing something that doesn't help the group; he won't stay long in that position. And being an Alpha without a group isn't really the definition of Alpha..
@@invaderz1919 that's not how alphas think. alphas understand responsibility. people who think like that are what Joe Elliott calls "Dorito boys"
Once, there was a snail king who was high in serotonin. Nothing happened for a long time. True story. Available at all good bookshops.