Is Bill Gay? (And Why Does It Even Matter?)

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  • @skyr5247
    @skyr5247 Місяць тому +868

    Arthur is the type of straight dude you take to a gay bar to be your DD and ends up wearing several bead necklaces, gets an ally pin, and clotheslines a homophobe. He doesn't know why people call him "daddy" but he's not gonna ask and assumes it's meant to be a compliment

    • @whygodwhy2790
      @whygodwhy2790 Місяць тому +69

      That's why we STAN Arthur Morgan 🙏🙏

    • @TotallySerious44
      @TotallySerious44 Місяць тому +15

      Gross.

    • @skyr5247
      @skyr5247 Місяць тому +90

      @@TotallySerious44 there's literally nothing gross abt it you're just cringe

    • @HormoneMuncher94
      @HormoneMuncher94 Місяць тому +8

      exactlyyyy i'd love to chill with arthur :3

    • @cooldinom
      @cooldinom Місяць тому +18

      Arthur is the type of guy to [insert specific exact archetype I want him to be here]

  • @renaigh
    @renaigh Місяць тому +854

    after Kieran's death Bill is significantly less unhinged and more reserved.

    • @randomnerd3402
      @randomnerd3402 Місяць тому +299

      He's depressed that his little twink is gone

    • @valx7586
      @valx7586 Місяць тому +79

      ​@@randomnerd3402 so was I 😢

    • @channel45853
      @channel45853 Місяць тому +19

      @@randomnerd3402 and the thing is, Kieran was interested in Mary Beth and only scared of Bill

    • @randomnerd3402
      @randomnerd3402 Місяць тому +21

      @@channel45853 absolutely. Like John and Javier showed more interest and care for Bill than Kieran did lol

    • @people2chronically-online
      @people2chronically-online Місяць тому

      How is this a point

  • @TheCompleteMental
    @TheCompleteMental Місяць тому +921

    I love how nonchalant Arthur/John treat nonconforming people. It reads very well given that theyre also nonconforming to society, albiet with a lot more robbery and murder. I often wonder if that was intentional.

    • @corey6536
      @corey6536 Місяць тому +197

      They give off "Sure they're weird but who the hell am I to judge I kill people." vibes lmao. Fr tho Arthur especially is just ur kind but slightly ignorant dad or smthn when it comes to that stuff its kinda sweet

    • @waldo5017
      @waldo5017 Місяць тому +73

      @TheCompleteMental @corey6536 this could explain why Arthur is not a racist man, and treats everyone fairly equally (with his dry wit and sarcastic tone) as well as apparently not understanding systemic racism in Lemoyne when Lenny brings it up in conversation. Arthur pretty much grew up with Dutch and Hosea, two outlaws with very specific philosophies that are opposed to the status quo of American society (which would include racism or sexism inherent at the time)

    • @hand13932
      @hand13932 Місяць тому +55

      @@waldo5017 The women in the camp are also treated primarily as equals. Camp chores are distributed evenly among those who are present to do them, and characters don't mock the women for being weak or whatever one might expect from that time period

    • @waldo5017
      @waldo5017 Місяць тому +54

      @@hand13932 this is also true. It's also interesting that the racist members of the camp (like Micah and Bill) came from outside originally and grew up more exposed to that environment before they came into the gang

    • @JurassicLion2049
      @JurassicLion2049 Місяць тому +26

      Nonconforming people always existed and the gang is made up of ethnic groups that were discriminated against hard at the time. You’ve got African Americans, Irish, John & Arthur are Scottish & Welsh of heritage, Javier’s Mexican, etc. not to mention Abigail, despite some japes, was a sex worker and its implied - tho Micah complains about not being able to touch any - that the other ladies (Karen) also participate in it. They might even joke with Bill but I think they accept his sexuality more than other groups do.

  • @samnabawy2731
    @samnabawy2731 Місяць тому +260

    For his time, Arthur was a progressive.

    • @pinkygunslingy
      @pinkygunslingy  Місяць тому +129

      he definitely was. but so were a lot of outlaws/cowboys. outlaws specifically because it's pretty easy to shrug off social expectations when you've kind of separated yourself from them - as far as the law goes, anyway.

    • @pjkerrigan20
      @pjkerrigan20 Місяць тому +48

      True. Arthur beats up the eugenics guy every time he goes into St Denis

    • @samnabawy2731
      @samnabawy2731 Місяць тому +50

      @@pinkygunslingy Absolutely. Happy pride and free Palestine.

    • @LeoGaming55
      @LeoGaming55 Місяць тому

      @@samnabawy2731What does war politics gotta do with this?

    • @samnabawy2731
      @samnabawy2731 Місяць тому +14

      @@LeoGaming55 Lol war politics, sure thing. 23:08

  • @hellomew
    @hellomew Місяць тому +407

    I always think about when Charles Chatenay(?) kisses Arthur and he just says "Please don't do that again." Like Arthur doesn't say anything homophobic he just (rightly) asserts his boundaries and moves on.

    • @pinkygunslingy
      @pinkygunslingy  Місяць тому +116

      one of my fav arthur moments truly. feels very indicative of his character.

    • @15braincellsremaining
      @15braincellsremaining Місяць тому +34

      This scene was even funnier for me because I did like half of the missions for that branch as Arthur and Charles just had to wait 8 years to escape america

    • @Deivid-bn6yw
      @Deivid-bn6yw Місяць тому +34

      He is actually so incredibly sweet. Anytime I see a clip of the game I find a new reason to love the character. He really was a good man

    • @godzillazfriction
      @godzillazfriction Місяць тому

      ​@@pinkygunslingywhen did that happen..?

    • @Theoneandonlyjeremyrenner
      @Theoneandonlyjeremyrenner 24 дні тому +1

      @@godzillazfrictionit’s in a side mission during chapter 4

  • @SamP-by7iv
    @SamP-by7iv Місяць тому +176

    Bill the kinda guy who would make a Grindr and self-ID as a "straight top."

  • @TheCompleteMental
    @TheCompleteMental Місяць тому +367

    I think Bill's case is also better than the standard angry closeted man because this setting produces violent men in general. It's not just his repression and it's plausible he wouldve ended up the same way regardless of sexuality.
    Well maybe not, with the attempted murder charge. That's 100% a gay experience.

    • @painunending4610
      @painunending4610 Місяць тому +12

      Isn't it also implied he has PTSD from the army? I imagine that + no one in the gang really respecting him probably adds to his temperment as well

    • @ryandevarajan7808
      @ryandevarajan7808 Місяць тому +2

      @@painunending4610 yh think it was stated on the rdr wiki that he fought against the native americans during his time in the army

  • @TheCompleteMental
    @TheCompleteMental Місяць тому +240

    Who doesnt have a fondness for Kieran though

  • @Shagglerthejaggler
    @Shagglerthejaggler Місяць тому +157

    I really had to look through the comments and I’m surprised no one points it out but I’m the valentine saloon fight, when bill runs into that stranger the guys say “I can’t tell if he’s gonna fight him or kiss him”

  • @cactusbuds2979
    @cactusbuds2979 Місяць тому +62

    “I just want to say I’m part of the LGBTQ community, and this is my best friend Arthur, he's an ally. Talk Arthur!”
    “Ally.”

  • @np8139
    @np8139 Місяць тому +84

    One thing I find interesting from a writer's perspective is how they made Bill the mastermind behind the Valentine bank robbery with Lenny and Karen. It was by far the gang's most successful heist we see, but it gets little attention. Gameplay-wise, money becomes a non-issue after that mission, and the player has Bill to thank for it.

    • @fredericksmith7942
      @fredericksmith7942 25 днів тому +1

      Exactly! Shitty as Bill can be, he is absolutely correct when he points out that everyone rubs his mistakes in his face while ignoring his accomplishments.
      The dynamite on the bridge wasn’t even his fault; the O’Driscolls were morons who didn’t know how to store dynamite in damp or cold weather.
      ESPECIALLY given how many hare brained schemes Dutch has to fumble before people start openly doubting his competence.
      It must feel really bad to be called an idiot by the man who decided to outright stroll up to the local law enforcement and introduce himself.

    • @colinbennett8974
      @colinbennett8974 17 днів тому +7

      Kinda fitting how he becomes a partially successful and feared gang leader in the future. He's good with short term outlaw work like planning jobs and just being plain threatening, but in the long term he suffers, which eventually leads to his end in RDR 1

  • @Sunbird_
    @Sunbird_ Місяць тому +168

    I missed you thank you for supporting the gay cowboy association

  • @jgfelix
    @jgfelix Місяць тому +180

    One other detail that I think hints to Bill's insecurities is his choice of ride which is a big-ass war horse. It's not the fastest breed around, but it allows him to look bigger than his companions.

    • @laserdiscisawesome1263
      @laserdiscisawesome1263 Місяць тому +8

      To be fair he’s a bigger guy, I’m not saying the average horse would struggle but they all have a weight limit

    • @fredericksmith7942
      @fredericksmith7942 25 днів тому +5

      @@laserdiscisawesome1263True, but it is also worth noting that he named the horse ‘Jack.’ Which is both a very masculine name for a horse, and is also very simple and down to earth. I don’t think Bill would be caught dead riding a horse named Bodecia or ‘the count.’

    • @frej7422
      @frej7422 22 дні тому +2

      Brown Jack could have just been the same horse Bill had when he was in the army

    • @Pam234
      @Pam234 13 днів тому

      @@fredericksmith7942the count is really badass though

  • @derpeth2101
    @derpeth2101 Місяць тому +67

    Tilly also called him a "half man".

  • @KeeBlade
    @KeeBlade Місяць тому +202

    Not gon lie, you could've used the out of focus Pinkerton footage and I probably wouldn't have noticed. UA-cam videos are podcasts for when I'm at work, and yours are peak no matter what.

    • @DS-dt1sy
      @DS-dt1sy Місяць тому +16

      Pinky Podcast has a good ring to it 😎

  • @TheCompleteMental
    @TheCompleteMental Місяць тому +104

    (as in homosexual)?

  • @m3g4mi
    @m3g4mi Місяць тому +57

    Rip bill you would’ve loved bear communities

  • @kalinka3133
    @kalinka3133 Місяць тому +70

    Wake up babe, Pinky posted another video thoroughly analyzing a fictional character made of pixels

  • @nja4999
    @nja4999 Місяць тому +97

    Rip bill. Won’t forget you called out america’s colonization of my home country in one of your campfire talks

    • @kaeg.7800
      @kaeg.7800 Місяць тому +1

      I thought that was Uncle

    • @pjkerrigan20
      @pjkerrigan20 Місяць тому +17

      @@kaeg.7800depends on what country this commenter is from. Uncle mentions the Philippines when he’s reading the newspaper at Horseshoe Overlook, but I think Bill maybe mentions Cuba? Maybe not I honestly can’t remember.

    • @kaeg.7800
      @kaeg.7800 Місяць тому +1

      @pjkerrigan20 dang, I had no idea Bill ever talked about Cuba. thank you for clarifying that for me.

    • @pjkerrigan20
      @pjkerrigan20 Місяць тому

      @@kaeg.7800 I might be wrong, to be fair. I don’t 100% remember one way or the other, but I feel like I remember Bill saying something about it

    • @nezahuatez
      @nezahuatez Місяць тому

      @@pjkerrigan20 Neither of which was colonized by america lol. They were both colonized by various different countries through out time, some neighbors, some not neighbors. Worst examples to mention.

  • @pinkygunslingy
    @pinkygunslingy  Місяць тому +89

    i swear, one day i will figure out how to produce actually good audio lol

    • @pdf_093
      @pdf_093 Місяць тому

      i think the mic might be sideways lol anyway best red dead creator is back yahooooo

    • @KeeBlade
      @KeeBlade Місяць тому +2

      Eat the mic, you're doing the thing ppl do at karaoke where they don't keep the mic right at their lips for fear of germs

    • @themoike_prod
      @themoike_prod Місяць тому

      your mic is definitely sideways. There is a side which captures clear audio and the other will make it sound muffled (or further away), so figure which one is which and speak into the correct side. But anyway very cool video and I hope you have a good day!

    • @grimreefer9324
      @grimreefer9324 Місяць тому

      To me it sounds like it has more to do with the acoustics of the room. You're in what's known as a "wet" room. Or maybe "dry" room, don't remember. Some sound foam or even some blankets hung up around the walls would help the sound bounce around less. Another solution is cocooning yourself in a blanket so the sound stays trapped but that. cccould inhibit the facecam

    • @ShilohDoingThings
      @ShilohDoingThings 24 дні тому

      Have you thought about trying different pop filters?

  • @spearofhope2
    @spearofhope2 Місяць тому +58

    PAUSE
    okay I get that the hair pomade thing speaks more to Bill and his character situation, but uh... How did Arthur know enough about the secret uses of hair pomade to instantly get all clammy about it? Is Arthur suddenly a LOT cooler than we all thought?

    • @pinkygunslingy
      @pinkygunslingy  Місяць тому +47

      he did once say he doesn't see much difference between men and women, and that some were worth loving. hmm 🤔

    • @plexyglass429
      @plexyglass429 Місяць тому +14

      ​@@pinkygunslingy It wouldn't surprise me if Arthur had encountered and befriended gay folk in the past. There's a whole story with Mr black and Mr white in the game where it implies they are lovers. Arthur is pretty progressive in a few ways

    • @princesskaraplays905
      @princesskaraplays905 Місяць тому +18

      @@plexyglass429exactly, there’s a stranger mission in rhodes around chapter 3 or 4 where Arthur encounters a black man staying in rhodes who’s quite frightened of upsetting white folk in town after he gets his wagon stolen seemingly over nothing, even going as far as to apologise to Arthur upon initial contact thinking he’d be like the rest of rhodes, but Arthur keeps asking his meaning and how could he (the doctor? if i recall correctly) could have offended Arthur, real stand up dude for the time

    • @JasperXIII
      @JasperXIII 17 днів тому

      Arthur and Mary were doing back door activities.

    • @HA11EYS_COM3T
      @HA11EYS_COM3T 17 днів тому

      Arthur is bisexual confirmed

  • @bronmill33
    @bronmill33 Місяць тому +38

    For my reading of the games, Bill being gay adds another layer of tragedy for me, especially regarding Dutch. Discrimination and hate towards gay men and the persecution they faced factoring into Bill’s initial anger and violent tendencies reflecting his own conflict of his masculinity and self worth along with the struggles of being a sexual minority fits in with the MO of Dutch bringing in society’s outcasts. With Bill having found a man who welcomed him in and gave him a purpose and a place he could stay without much fear of being ostracized, it makes sense for him to be loyal to Dutch, much like how Javier was loyal to Dutch. Dutch may have had good intentions, but it does feel pretty predatory on his part to take advantage of these people who are oppressed and rejected to create loyal members to carry out his bidding and follow him without question. We see him do this with the Wapiti tribe too, albeit in a far more overt and manipulative way. Its part of why I loved RDR2 so much, analyzing how the faults in society in persecuting and discriminating against minorities and these groups not having much if any opportunity to succeed in life would lead them to crime and falling victim to a charismatic and predatory figure who positions themselves as their leader or savior, much like cult leaders. Bill is a terrible person and becomes even more of a monster at the end of the day, but I cant help but think how much he was a product of society in its homophobia and the patriarchal values it instills in men that helped shape him into the person he would become

    • @TylaStark
      @TylaStark Місяць тому +3

      Well said

    • @godzillazfriction
      @godzillazfriction Місяць тому

      no such thing as a 'monster' that's a contrived, allegorical & paradoxical means to further generalise & differentiate based on a indoctrinated Social Contagion of setting a higher perceived standards standards, that gets determined in its absolute form of truth to what it should & shouldn't be as...
      that can be pinpointed against the construct of a Human beings 's__uality' with further allegorical means of the Human Generalisation within the polarization of those who are subjected to a certain standard & those who aren't fit into that set of standards standards.

  • @maycontainnuts3127
    @maycontainnuts3127 Місяць тому +41

    its cool, it feels like everyone at the camp knows something we dont, its really good storytelling you can kinda reconsider things each time you replay

  • @Longshanks1690
    @Longshanks1690 Місяць тому +206

    I think they probably did as good a job as they could indicating that Bill is gay without directly showing it. Primarily because, I don’t think it’s something Bill is fully at terms with either. As with a lot of things, Bill is a character out of step even with most members of the gang, who deride him as incompetent and stupid whenever they can, while failures of characters like Arthur are written off as “one of them things.” Some people think he’s meant to be autistic or neurodivergent to some degree because of this and while I don’t know to what degree that was intentional, I do think that Bill is supposed to be _different,_ even to the gang. To the rest of society, Bill is even more of an outcast, seemingly barely tolerated before joining the army, where he was further seen as incompetent before being forced into the life of an outlaw. So when Dutch came along into his life and offered him a lifeline in the form of a spot in his gang, Bill was relieved. For the first time in his life, he felt not just useful but wanted. It’s no surprise that is so unyieldingly loyal to Dutch through the entirety of the game. Whatever else, Dutch was the first to show him genuine compassion. (And perhaps that was intentional, perhaps Dutch saw Bill as a useful idiot he could make dependent on him given how everyone else treated him and he was far more cynical towards Bill than Bill ever realised but I digress.)
    To bring this back to the point, Bill has difficulty fitting in, proving himself and showing that he’s worthwhile to those around him. It’s hard for him to make true friends, let alone anything else. All he really knows how to be is a brute for Dutch’s operations, and everyone treats him accordingly, so how is he meant to form a deeper emotional attachment when no one sees him as worthy of one? That’s hard enough for platonic friendships but romance? It’s almost out of the question, especially when no one else around you is interested.
    Which then also explains why Bill has such a hard time expressing these feelings himself. He wants to fit in, he wants to be seen as valued and important, but when he constantly feels feelings and urges which he believes are unnatural and as much of detriment to him as botching the dynamite - which was probably Arthur’s fault but I digress - is it really surprising when he tries to suppress that side of him too?
    At his core, Bill wants to be respected for who he is but is conflicted because not only does his society not respect him but he barely respects himself either.

    • @randomnerd3402
      @randomnerd3402 Місяць тому +16

      It is important to point out that, albeit he and John are wasted in these interactions, they do have a decent amount of time bonding during the camp parties

    • @renaigh
      @renaigh Місяць тому

      what are gay people supposed to look like to you?

    • @user-ov4hq7th9z
      @user-ov4hq7th9z 24 дні тому

      you are given to much credit to bill, he is just a hot head and a idiot , a idiot that don't wanna admit his mistakes and project that in others (when he is criying about whit arthur of the "one of them things")

  • @ChadOfAllChads
    @ChadOfAllChads Місяць тому +40

    Bill: *kisses Kierans forehead after death* goodbye sweet prince

    • @Legrson
      @Legrson Місяць тому +10

      And he runs his hand over his face and closes his eyes, he closes his eyes and sheds a single tear

    • @Submissive_and_breedable
      @Submissive_and_breedable Місяць тому +2

      New bl ?

    • @wafflecake0421
      @wafflecake0421 26 днів тому

      What in the fanfiction

  • @Dinklebaaamp
    @Dinklebaaamp Місяць тому +72

    BABE WAKE UP PINKY POSTED

  • @ayanokojikiyotaka135
    @ayanokojikiyotaka135 Місяць тому +74

    Next video: Does Uncle have lombago? I really need that one.

    • @Shagglerthejaggler
      @Shagglerthejaggler Місяць тому +6

      Hate to break it to you but lumbago is just a doctors term for lower back pain from back then.

    • @SadnessCentral
      @SadnessCentral Місяць тому +5

      @@Shagglerthejagglerthe fact he could be lying about something so small, and making such a big deal over it, would be really funny and in character for uncle

    • @Shagglerthejaggler
      @Shagglerthejaggler Місяць тому +5

      @@SadnessCentral but dude, lumbago literally is just basic, chronic back pain and for an old man who’s bar hopping and sleeping off the floor most nights during those days, a little lumbago is to be expected. No doubt he’s overplaying it in rdr1 but still very much real and possible for him to have and only be affected by here and there

  • @kamikazechickenx4245
    @kamikazechickenx4245 Місяць тому +22

    His ass should have been at the club fr :(

  • @ssi-ruuk9396
    @ssi-ruuk9396 Місяць тому +46

    I'd love to see a Pinkerton video

  • @perrisavallon5170
    @perrisavallon5170 Місяць тому +10

    I only glanced at the thumbnail and really thought this was Bill from The Last Of Us and was like "...yeah? they pretty solidly confirmed it in the show??"

  • @quintonj.alexander2090
    @quintonj.alexander2090 Місяць тому +23

    I always thought of Bill's real name being Marion was a reference to famous western actor John Wayne's real name also being Marion.

  • @cptladder
    @cptladder Місяць тому +38

    Hell yeah to a new video and hell yeah to a video on the Stinkerton Protection Agency.

  • @johannvonbabylon
    @johannvonbabylon Місяць тому +91

    Honestly, I think RDR2 is kind of a masterclass in diversity without pandering and without sacrificing artistic or historical integrity.

    • @pinkygunslingy
      @pinkygunslingy  Місяць тому +94

      to a degree. would have appreciated a queer character who wasn't a monstrous person but i do appreciate that he's there at all lol

    • @15braincellsremaining
      @15braincellsremaining Місяць тому +15

      What really surprised me was the stranger mission “He’s British, of Course,” in which Arthur encounters a British AMAB person of Indian descent who identifies as a woman. And I love how Arthur just accepted it because he’s seen way crazier things
      Edit: I didn’t completely watch the video and Margaret was actually mentioned in the video so this comment was kinda redundant but still I like how a AAA studio made such characters in a way that felt natural

    • @godzillazfriction
      @godzillazfriction Місяць тому

      ​@@pinkygunslingy'monstrous' really...

    • @cdogthehedgehog6923
      @cdogthehedgehog6923 26 днів тому

      ​@@pinkygunslingy pinky...theyre all murderers and criminals.
      You play as a mass murderer.

    • @Ronuk1996
      @Ronuk1996 25 днів тому

      ​@pinkygunslingy Rockstar already have bisexual main Character who is not a monster.

  • @randomxzee
    @randomxzee Місяць тому +15

    I’ve watched this twice now (i have an obsession with dissecting lore). Another interaction that’s had is in the mission ‘Americans at Rest’ where you (Arthur) beat up Tommy, before the fight breaks out you can hear Arthur ask ‘is he about to kiss that guy or punch him?’ referring to Bill getting rowdy with an NPC. Javier then says ‘I think we have our answer!’ which then makes the entire bar break out in a fight. I feel like the gang had a speculation over Bill being attracted to men, you can also find more dialogue between Tilly and Bill on a stagecoach robbery. Tilly calls Bill a ‘half-man’ which COULD insinuate that him being attracted to men makes him ‘lesser than’. Anyways, that’s all from me ✌️
    (I will do the same on here as I do tiktok and happily debate in the replies to my comments purely to bring attention to this video in hopes people watch to the end and donate when they can! from the river to the sea 🍉)

  • @sheepewe4505
    @sheepewe4505 18 днів тому +2

    Another sly reference to Bill's procilvites might be that he rides a big, hairy horse named "Brown Jack" The gang's personal horses are representations of their character, and supposedly the etymological root of the word *bear* is... "the brown one"

  • @alexandrasloane
    @alexandrasloane Місяць тому +27

    Would watch a hundred long-form videos by you about RDR2

  • @rl9217
    @rl9217 Місяць тому +2

    "I live in Ram Ranch now, John."
    -Bill Williamson

  • @joeymorrissey5916
    @joeymorrissey5916 Місяць тому +11

    Wait this isnt about Bill from The Last of Us? oh ok. How many gay bills are there?!

    • @pinkygunslingy
      @pinkygunslingy  Місяць тому +9

      one thing abt video characters named bill is they're gonna kiss boys

  • @thenerpist5232
    @thenerpist5232 Місяць тому +33

    I just wish that Rockstar would make a more "Honorable" gay main character because so far we have bill and Trevor as far as MAIN gay characters

    • @prettywhenthewindblows7
      @prettywhenthewindblows7 Місяць тому +26

      I mean Jimmy Hopkins from Bully is bi, though it doesn’t play that big of a part in the story but it’s still kinda cool for a protagonist from a 2006 game.

    • @pinkygunslingy
      @pinkygunslingy  Місяць тому +35

      my feelings exactly. like it's nice they're there and i suppose terrible queer ppl deserve representation too, but it'd definitely be nice to see a gay person i can support lol

    • @Kane98k
      @Kane98k Місяць тому +5

      Gay tony

    • @grimreefer9324
      @grimreefer9324 Місяць тому +6

      Might have more to do with 99% of R* characters being terrible ppl than anything they're saying abt the gay community, especially in GTAV's case. RDR2 was a bit more grey, but you still can't make much a case of anyone in Da Gang being much more than some seriously bad people

    • @godzillazfriction
      @godzillazfriction Місяць тому

      ​@@pinkygunslingy that's a very superficial way of using cognition through a character in fiction to abide by through understanding etc.
      its a bit like labelling someone as a 'thing' that's constructed through superficial means of indoctrination based on a higher set of perceived standards, that gets determined in its absolute form of truth to what it should & shouldn't be as; which further exemplifies the allegorical & paradoxical means of labelling & cognitive beliefs via Polarization & Social Contagion (on both ends), to which it forwards more & more generalising and differentiation.

  • @vend-is-here
    @vend-is-here Місяць тому +15

    YES, MY SWEET PRINCE IS GAY, NEXT QUESTION.

  • @pjkerrigan20
    @pjkerrigan20 Місяць тому +13

    22:33 “please don’t accuse me of making Red Dead gay” lol Red Dead 2 is honestly pretty gay. I find it baffling that someone can play thru the whole game and not see how gay the world is. Of course I project some of that onto the game myself, but there’s a lot of heavily implied gayness all across it.

    • @pinkygunslingy
      @pinkygunslingy  Місяць тому +12

      lol it's definitely a tiktok thing i find where you can point at the most obviously queer characters and ppl will throw a fit and accuse you of "making red dead gay" like you aren't just seeing what's in front of you lol

    • @Sqk.
      @Sqk. Місяць тому

      genuinely curious, what are some examples of this, other than De Santa (and maybe Chatenay)? i never noticed anything in my first playthroughs of both games (even De Santa somehow. not sure how i missed that, it's explicitly stated in nearly every mission with him lol), and not for a lack of trying, so i'm curious about any other potential lgbt characters

    • @horsewizard340
      @horsewizard340 Місяць тому

      @@Sqk.I could be wrong but I think it’s mainly people getting upset at headcanons/shipping? Like ppl pairing Charles and Arthur or Dutch and Hosea which leads to dudebros being like 🤬🤬🤬🤬don’t make my game woke!!

  • @alazarielanderson5367
    @alazarielanderson5367 Місяць тому +12

    That Pinkerton video would SLAP

  • @fredericksmith7942
    @fredericksmith7942 25 днів тому +2

    I feel like one of the most tragic aspects of Bill Williamson is that he absolutely would have been on John and Arthur’s side if they had treated him with any kind of respect. Hell, even just apologizing for calling him dumb all the time would have gone a long way.
    He isn’t especially loyal to Dutch, Dutch is horrible to him.

  • @susumunakoshifan5345
    @susumunakoshifan5345 Місяць тому +15

    i love all your shit dude, please post the pinkerton video whenever it’s ready because i’m positive it’d be peak

  • @YouHaveUno
    @YouHaveUno Місяць тому +3

    rest in peace Bill Williamson you would’ve loved the month of June

  • @OrangeMilks
    @OrangeMilks Місяць тому +3

    There's a short dialogue that almost no one hears in the game... it's one of my favorites and it's between Bill and Micah. I'm not sure but I think it's a mission in Rhodes and Bill and Micah are waiting for you to show up. If you don't run straight into the mission area and trigger the cut scene you can eavesdrop on them, and Micah says something like "You look real nice today Bill" and Bill goes "Shut up", Micah answers "No, real good. Like better than usual" and he kinda sounds sincere. Bill mutters sarcastically "Well, I bathed just for you."
    And Micah goes "I'm being genuine, Bill." And for once he actually does sound like he's being genuine.
    It's very short, but it's a candid moment between them and I find it really cute teeehee

    • @Rex__117
      @Rex__117 23 дні тому

      My god, I woulda never known. Yer so right that’s so damn cute. I expect ten Bill x Micah art pieces on my desk by this afternoon!/j

  • @christinam3700
    @christinam3700 Місяць тому +10

    Right off the bat, YES! Interested in the Pinkerton video

  • @theobserver314
    @theobserver314 День тому

    During a side mission involving a stage coach robbery (ch3), Tilly insults Bill by calling him a "Half-man."

  • @fabiog9447
    @fabiog9447 Місяць тому +6

    Such a pleasant surprise to see a new video of yours on my homepage!

  • @idyllghost9402
    @idyllghost9402 Місяць тому +6

    The way I clapped my hands together like a little seal when I saw that you posted; also of course we’d be interested in a Pinkerton video omg!! (RIP Bill Williamson you would have loved ghosting people on Grindr

  • @exosluckyone
    @exosluckyone Місяць тому +2

    bill's the type of guy to watch brokeback mountain 10 times in secret while crying but says he hates it in public

  • @jacket2383
    @jacket2383 Місяць тому +10

    I'm sorry pinky. You didn't have to make a 26 min long video on something so obvious. You have fallen off smh.
    No but seriously, It's good to see you posting again.

    • @pinkygunslingy
      @pinkygunslingy  Місяць тому +6

      lol believe me, it's definitely pretty obvious but sometimes i just want an excuse to discuss things like queer identities n whatnot.

  • @ananargan8588
    @ananargan8588 Місяць тому +8

    I would love to see the video about the pinkerton detective agency!

  • @justiceandstarsstudios
    @justiceandstarsstudios Місяць тому +1

    "You and bill back together again? Two crazy men sharing a bed" -John to Javier in rdr1 😂

  • @TheEndKing
    @TheEndKing Місяць тому +6

    I implores you to stick around more, because this video was fantastic. Thank you for making it.

  • @texanarchy666
    @texanarchy666 Місяць тому +1

    i mean it makes sense why arthur would be so nonchalant about strange people. he was an outcast himself, so tried to treat everyone who wasnt rich the same

  • @themd813
    @themd813 Місяць тому +5

    I love these games so much especially for the characters. They can be so interesting even the ones who arent talked about a lot like col. Favors.

  • @garretwoeller7669
    @garretwoeller7669 Місяць тому +1

    I always assumed Dutch and Hosea were lovers at one point they bicker like lovers

  • @basedchimera5859
    @basedchimera5859 Місяць тому +3

    I rewatched all ur vids a few days ago. Thank you so much for coming back

  • @AnyHeroBlake
    @AnyHeroBlake Місяць тому +1

    “lumbago” does sound questionably close to “I’m gay bro”

  • @JoeBChill
    @JoeBChill Місяць тому +2

    Ayyyyyyye we back outchea for pride month❤, I wouldn't have really figured it at all through the interactions in RDR1 but 2 is an entirely different story in that regard when it comes to Bill..it's always a pleasure to see yours and other creator's takes on the characters in this story in general. Yours in particular hits on a different level imo, keep doing you

  • @otho69AD
    @otho69AD 5 днів тому

    Another thing worth mentioning is that during the barfight mission in Valentine, Arthur goes "Is he about to kiss that guy or punch him" when Bill gets into a confrontation with one of the patrons. Which is interesting because I don't recall him ever saying something similar again for any other character besides Bill

  • @moonshapedpool
    @moonshapedpool Місяць тому +2

    love your videos on tiktok, and i just discovered your channel so I’m very excited to watch your longer discussions

  • @maycontainnuts3127
    @maycontainnuts3127 Місяць тому +11

    i feel like theres a secret gay subtext in scrubs between the main guy and the middle aged guy but nobody will believe me

  • @InfernoPhoenix123
    @InfernoPhoenix123 21 день тому +1

    Arthur is the friend every one of societies "deviants" wants. Doesn't care about your race, sexuality, gender, interests, religion, craziness, and any other quirks you have. He treats black and white ppl the same and even says he "Hafes all people equally" and i love how he only is aggressive towards the people who actually are causing harm like the white supremacist screaming man in Saint Denis and the racist exslave owner man in Rhodes. Bro really is so progressive for his time!

  • @Skorge789
    @Skorge789 Місяць тому +6

    Lets see that Pinkerton video!

  • @Yoitscaivaxthemolotovfox
    @Yoitscaivaxthemolotovfox Місяць тому +6

    I have a 7 hour road trip I just woke up for and now this mmmm good day

  • @dukedadude2885
    @dukedadude2885 Місяць тому +4

    That Pinkerton video sounds awesome, I would love to see it. Thank you for making such interesting content about this game that often has such black white discussion

  • @valx7586
    @valx7586 Місяць тому +2

    Great, thanks pinky, now i have to binge your videos again, i had things to do today 😭

  • @alfioreyesledda8817
    @alfioreyesledda8817 5 днів тому

    There is an interaction between Bill and Javier where Bill asks Javier to have a drink with him and Javier says something like "OK, but again, I won't sit on your lap"
    That confirmed for me. More than all of the other details. With excepction of the interaction with Kieran.

  • @Jack-gj3hb
    @Jack-gj3hb Місяць тому +8

    Trelawney to me is a bisexual icon, but this is based on vibes only

    • @Elriuhilu
      @Elriuhilu Місяць тому +2

      Just don't tell his wife and kids.

  • @noahpiovet8688
    @noahpiovet8688 Місяць тому +2

    First vid I watched, I’m subscribing! Love the integrity you have

  • @Helsinki40268
    @Helsinki40268 Місяць тому +1

    I love this game so much, it keeps on giving like 5 years later! Never stop making these videos pinky! (And happy pride month gay cowboys,cowgirls,cowfolk!)

  • @renaigh
    @renaigh Місяць тому +4

    Bill the Bear

  • @goldenpancakes7164
    @goldenpancakes7164 Місяць тому +7

    NEW PINKY UPLOAD LETS GO

  • @TylaStark
    @TylaStark Місяць тому +1

    Would LOVE to hear the Pinkerton video some day when you have the strength to refilm it

  • @nanna4673
    @nanna4673 Місяць тому +3

    I listen to these videos mostly so i dont really mind the out of focus🌱 i really understand the frustration tho

  • @hanpear
    @hanpear Місяць тому +2

    my algorthim is on the floor the way it showed this to me 4 days late

  • @CountDogula7
    @CountDogula7 Місяць тому +4

    I am interested in the Pinkerton video

  • @onetitwndr
    @onetitwndr Місяць тому +5

    Beer gang! Beer gang! Beer gang!

  • @joshuah1221
    @joshuah1221 Місяць тому +3

    Welcome back pinky and yeah a pinkerton video would be nice.

  • @astro2248
    @astro2248 Місяць тому +2

    RIP Bill, you would've loved femboys (also I'd love a pinkerton video, they're presence both in game and irl are really interesting)

  • @glamrockcowboy7223
    @glamrockcowboy7223 Місяць тому +1

    was having a bad day got so excited to see this notif :)

  • @whitefragilityexpose1512
    @whitefragilityexpose1512 Місяць тому

    It's so crazy how an enigmatic creator can pop up and just shove their way into your favorite people's list.

  • @FPGR98
    @FPGR98 Місяць тому +3

    Good to see you back, brilliant video as per usual. I do think instead of Marion his first name should've been William Williamson

    • @Elriuhilu
      @Elriuhilu Місяць тому +1

      I reckon it should have been Billding Williamson.

  • @lemzini
    @lemzini Місяць тому

    these videos are so fascinating. never thought about this but WOOAH it’s basically irrefutable. thank you for constantly opening a new discussion when i thought i understood the game completely years ago. you’re also very thorough, entertaining and touch on so many unique points. i really enjoy your content and hope u keep it up!! thanks for your hard work yet again :-)

  • @eyeballplanets
    @eyeballplanets Місяць тому +1

    I would love a video on Pinkerton! I think there's a lot of interesting things to say about their current contributions to the war economony, their historic oppression of labor movements, and how that all ties into the game's themes of land rights and Dutch's dreams being rooted in colonialism!!

  • @echoesdetoi537
    @echoesdetoi537 Місяць тому

    Very interesting references, the video and artical are both amazing !

  • @Billy-bl4hf
    @Billy-bl4hf Місяць тому +1

    got off work to see a pinky vid it’s a good day

  • @richardnixon846
    @richardnixon846 Місяць тому +2

    bill is a bear, ‘nough said

  • @newport_reds
    @newport_reds 6 днів тому

    my favorite thing about arthur is that the other outlaws aren’t racist or homophobic (other than micah) because they don’t live by societal norms anyways, but arthur and for what it’s worth john genuinely can’t fathom why people would be hated because of the color of their skin or who they wanna smash

  • @shenanigameshd9461
    @shenanigameshd9461 26 днів тому +1

    I think a lot of people overlook how progressive Arthur really is, the way he sort of uncomfortably acknowledges how bad it is for Tilly be in Scarlet Meadows when she brings it up to him while vowing to keep her safe, when you meet the traveling doctor and he is hyper paranoid of Arthur’s intentions and offering to move and Arthur is genuinely confused about the man’s standoffishness saying “how could you possibly have offended me?” Race and discrimination genuinely doesn’t come across his mind unless someone blatantly brings it up to him.

  • @potatopirate5557
    @potatopirate5557 Місяць тому

    Yes, we are very interested! Sorry you had that experience though, that had to be awful. Really happy to see you back! Please do the Pinkerton one if you want to... or if it's just too triggering or whatever, we eagerly await the next topic.

  • @fredericksmith7942
    @fredericksmith7942 25 днів тому

    As a man who does wear hair pomade, it is as a whole less greasy (especially my preferred brand because I wear a hat), but there are still brands that resemble the 19th century stuff for the people that want it. It gives the hair a very glossy look.

  • @radclyffebread
    @radclyffebread 23 дні тому

    I would watch the hell out of a pinkertons video from you, pinky.

  • @OffixialGem
    @OffixialGem Місяць тому +1

    Omg i missed yooou! So glad you uploaded today❤

  • @xerxes_l
    @xerxes_l Місяць тому +1

    great video, i’m glad you’re back!

  • @TKGaming7750
    @TKGaming7750 17 днів тому

    UA-cam unsubscribed me! Don't know why this keeps happening to people. Glad I found your channel again regardless!

  • @lunchbox997
    @lunchbox997 27 днів тому

    Take all the time you need to make these videos, your content no matter how long or short is always worth it, keep it up as long as you want!

  • @soupladoal2300
    @soupladoal2300 25 днів тому

    I read the title and thought you were talking about bill in the last of us and I was like “no shit he’s gay” now I look pretty stupid