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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
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⏰ Timestamps:
0:00 | Intro
0:37 | Come Here
1:04 | Whose to Blame?
2:16 | Am I Switching?
3:31 | Software Subscriptions
4:21 | The Whole VST Thing
6:40 | The Bigger Problem
8:23 | The Hybrid Subscription
📝 ABOUT THIS VIDEO
In this video, I give you my honest thoughts on PreSonus' Studio One Plus subscription, the new Lead Architect VST, and the new Studio One Plus Hybrid plan.
It's the management's attitude, not the developers
"You will own nothing and be happy"
Yeah and if you are remote somewhere without internet you might not be able to use our shit
@@PaulFisherMedia 100% wrong
@@premeditatedplan5417 wait and see lol wait and see
Perfect!
Eat the bugs 😂
To all people: Subscription models are simply greedy. It’s up to us to say no. If we have subscriptions for everything it’s completely unsustainable. I pay to own what I want to acquire, simple.
i agree
Ive been with presonus for 10 years and will NOT hesitate to leave!!! I dont owe them anything and i dont dig this at all
Plenty of competition out there right. I picked up a bitwig recently and don't regret it. I still use studio one depending on the workflow. Took a minute to learn the new controls that's all
@danceswith7wolves I'm already knowing . I used to use pro tools and cubase so I'm sure I'll be fine. I'd hate to jump ship but I won't hesitate either
12 years for me and I keep Bitwig and version 5 on the side just in case ever since version 6 "update". I really do not want to leave them but this SaaS crap needs to stop and I will not deal with it!
@@danceswith7wolves I to, and I think that's the direction I'm headed, I Just will probably use presonus for live sound once I learn bitwig, this new updates really said fuck you to the fanbase.
A. S1 lacks functionalities compared to other DAWs and their recent updates.
B. Givin new feature (vsti) only to subscribers n givin a hard middle finger to Perpetual owners is a giant dick move.
C. Cubase is on sale + DAW crossgrade sale till 28th of April.
Now I am tryin my hardest to stay but it's lookin damn hard
yep ! they think they can become something like the bapple guys 🤣sort of " you people should feel priveleged to use our product " well guess what : bitwig, ableton, cubase, maybe soon sonar again, FL studio ( and it is indeed usable allthough i used to hate it a lot ) and many more so no presonus empire ! they try hard to become a sort of bapple in the daw industrie but let them know that instead of dreaming they rather should feel prvivileged when real musicians ( i am only midocre or semipro and i dont wanna change to anything else any time soon...can bear it having no private live and ) take their daw and also we semiproffesionals because if they piss people off they are gonna lose people who give their money to them. so not we are the rivileged to use the holy daw of presonus but they should feel privileged that we chosed to use their daw. i personaly can swipe daws like so and even then with every new daw start to make music with no issues ! so no i wount regret it if i wake up one morning have the budget at hand and say you know what presnus i quite and helooo ableton or bitwig or fl studio or even change the whole system to mac os and go with logic or even luna .... i need only one day and a new daw is no lonher new to me
@@IronClan2024 facts
You said it all! I was VERY HEATED about the 6.6 update, since I have the Pro edition, but could not get "Lead Architect". Crazy thing was that the first few UA-cam videos I saw on the 6.6 update said NOTHING about having to have the subscription to get the new VST. They actually made it seem like when you update the software, the VST was included. I'm not leaving S1 cause as you said, I don't have the time to learn a completely new DAW. But I really felt this was pretty FOUL on their end.
@Ibantar : yep thats the strategy behind they do not tell those things since they get payed to holyfie studio 6.6 and even the very Studio One 6.6 pro they have , they got from Presonus for free to only holyfie their daw. Now i am a mediocre Musician ( thats what i rank myself due to the litle experience i have ) and i do not own a studio nor do i make money with produceing music although i could , but i dont do it, so i am for sure not dependent on using Studio One. I was thinking about going with Pro but their policy horrible to say the least. i am not gonna pay almost 400 euro / USD and then having a DAW that comes with only 5 Instruments while i could get for the same prise one that has almost 13 and comes with more then any version of studio one has and yes i am taliking about ableton standard ! which is the very DAW i am gonna switch to
right now i am using the Artist version and for my needs ( i do anyway most of the stuff the oldschool way which often does not need any fabcy fx plugins and stuff allthough i have enough 3rd party stuff at hand ) it is enough but i am not going to move over to pro because i am as so many dissapointed and let me give you an example:
usualy i would expect a upgrade to come with a lesser prise but the funny thing is i would actualy pay a bigger prise then simply buying the pro version and again all i get are still only 5 instruments well 4 actualy since one is a sampler anyway and is maybe only technicly a instrument. using ableton standard for some 179 euro has not only a whole bunc more fx - which i probably do not use anyway since i do much of thre stuff oldschool - but has 13 instruments on board and a upgrade to suite is prisevise with a better then presonuses upgrade policy.
studio one for me is just one more of the many daws i have used in the last almost 20 years , starting with a reason verion that i cannot remmeber which one ...well it has not changed snayway so who cares. Then Magix and then reaper ( wich has not what a good daw needs to have ) and up to some 2 years ago Cakewalk by Bandlab which then also got no longer updated since they want to return with a new sonar ( hopefuly with no subscription shit ) and now studio one but there are plenty of options outthere. as for learning : most of the DAW have much of the stuff anyway in common so i dont care with regard to that. i never used stufio one brefor beside taking a lok at that prime toy thing , but as soon i installed it i started producing with no issues because i knew where the basic stuff is and thats the same with most daws so there is no reason for me to stick with S1
would you leave if bug updates or 6.8,6.9 you cant get unless you pay for a subscription?
The Hybrid model is what I've been asking all these other "software as a service" providers to offer for years. Let me keep the damn software that I paid for if I decide I don't want to renew the subscription for now.
I Got Cubase 13 today the chord feature are CRAZY GOOD, and the plugins. Are killing studio one😢
I switched to cubase 👍
Im looking into this too. Im done talking about it.
Is there a hard learning curve. I fell in love with studio one bc of they're ecosystem too.
For cubase 13??
damn im interested how cubase is for former S1 users. I want to switch too
Frankly, I laughed when I heard the new synth. It sounds dated and cheap. Nothing I would use. To me, it's a gimmick to entice new comers into a subscription. If they were going to do it right, they could have at least partnered with someone like Cherry Audio who they sometimes sold within their virtual instrument offerings. (Haven't seen any lately though). As for ditching SO? I certainly will if they go 100% subscription. But I doubt it. It's gonna be fine.
I was just getting ready to buy Studio one but now I am thinking Cubase..
It's a better deal and value with their sale right now.
If you have already plugins vst , then Studio One Artist still very good... OR you can also give a try to REAPER... 60$ ; KILLER DEAL.
@@thethings4708 the best deal would be Reaper, but you’d have to buy your own VTI’s. Personally, I have no use for reaper, unless I was mixing professionally. There is some serious customizations that you can do in Reaper to save time.
I agree, I like the "hybrid" concept since it is a solution for why I HATE subscriptions. But even their add ons are locked behind the paywall now too like the presence XT editor and CTC
Amazing content as always
I've been with Presonus Studio One since late 2011, V2. This latest version and the firewalled VST did sting. Your take has been one of the most measured and fair. I trust Presonus will listen to you, as an influencer. I'll wake up tomorrow and continue to rock Studio One, waiting for the dust to settle. Regarding my path forward - I really have to consider the value of the hybrid model...It is compelling. What I may do is chill until V7 drops, buy Hybrid and that will serve as my perpetual license upgrade for the next year, gaining access to the stability updates and maybe good point updates over that year. At the end of the time, if the extra content is not worth it, I've enjoyed experimenting with it and get to keep my copy (minus the dang VST!)...I'm sincerely hoping S1 will add stem separation as basic functionality in V7 - THAT will signal to the producer community a positive note...
Preach it brother, your advice to them is absolutely spot on! Don’t loose touch with the
majority.
With all the negative blowback, I’m seriously considering Cubase 13. I just bought a subscription for one year two months ago and I’m starting to feel like maybe I made a bad decision.
Well said man. Thank you
Thanks for sharing……all so true.
Excellent video. I've been with Studio One for many years, and I'm not sure if I like this direction.
I am fine with PreSonus making the new VST subscription only, as there are many 3rd party options that seem a lot better, some free. I would have been choked, though, if they had done so with the Vocoder and improved Pro EQ. Even then, there are so many great options. It's the core DAW features that are important to me anyway. If any of those ever become subscription only, I will seriously consider switching to another DAW.
THIS. The only stock instrument I use is impact. 99% producers use third party plugins no matter the daw…
@@derdude8201 SAMEE, IMPACT AND SAMPLE ONE ARE THE ONLY ONES I USE.
Good video. For myself, I’m ok with the new model EXCEPT for the fact that I can’t purchase individual add-ons anymore. Even if I want only a single add on I have to go subscription which I hate. I’m effectively, perpetual license users are not able to get the full S1 experience unless they go subscription. And only PreSonus knows what they want to place into the subscription only “box” in the future, which is a very bad precedent that they are opening.
This. This is my only bitch about the situation. Why should I have to pay them money for a subscription in order to pay them for a plug-in? I've got a perpetual pro license, just let me buy the damn plug-in.
Completely agree with this take. Loved your points on potential value-adds like presets as well-- there are ways to make the deal sweeter without leaving people out. I'll personally grab a year of hybrid and then decide what to do after.
I think the waves subscription controversy is still pretty fresh on people's minds, so the timing might have made this more dramatic.
Well spoken Bro🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I payed for presonus 4 outright and upgraded to 5 and again to version 6 but theres still nothing here that makes me want to pay for a subscription, i have various 3rd party vst plugins that are way better than what the subscription offers... cubase might be the alternative move rather than upgrading to version 7 of presonus...
I'm not mad about the new subscription model, I think it's pretty good. I'm also fine with exclusive subscription features like the online environment because that takes servers and servers have upkeep costs.
But putting requested offline features behind a paywall is some of the most corporate BS I've seen. Combine this with Tunecore and apple earbuds stuff and it's clear that 6.6 was a completely corporate update. None of this was for the musicians, producers, etc. At least they had the decency not to make it a full numbered update.
I will not get plus membership, and I would pay for the new synth, but now I purchased ANA 2.5 thanks to your video. I own also Synthmaster, is it the same thing? I want better pad sounds.
I’ve been seriously considering changing from S1 for a couple years. I have collaborators on Logic, so I’ve been playing around with switching. This might do it.
Thanks for your post. When you pulled your calculator out, it was fine but that presupposes I hadn't already spent 100s of bucks since S One version 2. I agree with all those who have their keyboard shortcuts mapped out and memorised. Sheeeesh.
I can't even register my fader 8 without the invalid number crap ! i went around and have seen many people even in the last year having all these problem's as well ? and they wonder why we use hacked stuff window 10 etc etc !
Totally agree with everything you say.
And that's why I jumped ship to Cubase, les user friendly but packed with so much more features, VSTs.
Hi .. a bit off topic but could u make a tutorial on how u actually made some of your macros from scratch
Thanks for the updates, and comments below. I just got into S1 and it look's like I'll just use the HACKED VERSION THANK'S !!!!
Exactly, when a company is good, I'll buy it. When they do this, I will bootleg instead. They will never win one way or the other..
my question is how well does the presonus sq hybrid work with fl studio ?
I appreciate the honesty and yes Ive been with Studio One since 2019 so Im ok with it at the moment. Ableton and FL has great stuff but the workflow of S1 is what Im too used to at this point. Im staying with what I have and with your producer template its even better!
Same! At this point, even without the features I want, I work so much faster in S1 because I know the workflow. Hopefully, PreSonus will implement some cool production features soon, though. And I'm glad to hear you like the template! 🙌🏽
Not the hug!!! Thank you for your opinion.
Finally the right atittude! Cheers!🍻
Very well said. I Ed used S1 since v2. I feel the same. I hope Presonus is listening.
Just know I actually accepted your hug G. It did soothe me
Inexcusable..right, that's the word !
So we don’t have to upgrade to hybrid if we don’t want to right? Bcuz studio one version I have right now is good for what I use it for. I don’t need anymore features or upgrades
Yes you get to keep it but when it's time to upgrade you won't get no more updates. So if there are major bugs left it won't get fixed. Not saying there will do this but it's not an unheard business practice in tech.
my answer is simple, i dont do subscriptions, thats why i also left adobe apps to the wasteside, if they continue with the perpetual license for the collection (functionality) we have right now and ask a subscription for all the rest (bells and whistles) thats fine by me
i dont need to create a new virtual instrument in a DAW, i have kontakt and even decent sampler for that, so that could be something they could activate with a subscription fee, but the DAW itself, LEAVE IT ALONE or i'm gone, back to FL Studio
This is a very informative video, Ivan. Thank you. However, as a Studio One Pro user, I can't see a way to access the new synth, for example. Overall, why should Studio One Pro users receive fewer benefits than subscription users? Nonetheless, thank you for the insightful video. I found one particularly important piece of information from your video that I hadn't seen before: the 'Pro-to-Pro' option.
Pro to Pro is the save here - get Hybrid and either keep it or drop it and do Pro to Pro.
For me the writing is on the wall. Presonus keeps gaslighting customers saying that this about subscriptions. Its easy to understand. We arent out nothing. When we are out simething as you said. Between the total disregaurd and slimey moves they are pullng. Im going to cubase. Your content was great btw. Sucks for you cause they messing with your hustle. But i cant stand behind em anymore. No daw is perfect and its always about money but what theyre doing is dirty.
Today, I can do much more than I hoped to in order to create music with the current level of this DAW. One might be quite surprised to find great creators working off much lower versions (of any DAW). With that said, what is the worst scenario? One is to simply keep what I have. Another is to cut over. Reason is awesome! I used Cubase for 10 years and have no problem cutting back. Thanks, for the beat on this scenario. Cheers!
im trying to understand the process of guys like me who own a license who dont and not getting a subscription. 1. will we continue to get bug fixes? 2.certain features like 6.8 will we get it?
Im ok paying for a new version like 7..whatever the deal is..im ok paying for the new instrument if they have it for sale
Learning another DAW has been my biggest concern lately. I have LUNA and RipX (which isn't nearly ready to be a consider as a DAW replacement), so it's up for grabs. Just in case they don't get it together, I did just purchase Logic Pro. Although I know nothing about it. I've also been checking out Cubase. I can get it for real cheap right now. But I will still miss features that is convenient for me (Like musicloops, MixFXs, the splitter, making practically everything a preset or chain and etc). On top of that I would have to replace some of my PreSonus gear. Which 'm not ready for. Hopefully Fender/PreSonus figure this out real soon. I'm not looking forward to the alternatives, but there are decent options that are available.
"more than just recording audio and mixing" ah man that has been heavy on my mind. Instead of waiting around for updates I invested in Maschine+ to scratch all the beatmaking itches. Will keep S1 for mixing and mastering.
Regardless of the really poor and confusing communication and strange decisions regrding cloud / Saas offerings of the past few months, version 7 will show whether it is really worth staying with S1 or not switching back to Cubendo, which would be the case for me.
I'm also a bit disappointed, but like you said, I will not move away for now because of the business part of the decision. Also, if we did change waves mind about their decision, maybe we can do it with S1. I hope they will do something surprisingly good like the free addition of atmos production and in a better way than a lot of other daw. Just praying that they don't do a crazy avid/ProTools move
They Should Also Add Sound Packs For Presence XT..
That subscription is a good deal. I’ll take that. However I’m still looking to be versatile with multiple daws especially because not a lot of producers use studio one. I’ve started with FL the transitioned to studio one 6 months later and been on studio one for 3 1/2 years. Ableton is next for me just because of its versatility with macOS and DJ and MPC integrations and templates making creativity more easier to access.
Another good option is... crossgrade to Cubase Pro for just 250 euros 😊
Daw Subscription service is a way to get more money out the producers over time for rented software the minute you miss a payment you can't use the software imaging putting 300$ to 400$ into service and get in a financial jam
Hey IVAN,
And first thank you for your great channel, and your pedagogique way of transmitting knowledge about S1. Thank you for your amazing Toolbar that I use all the time.
I'm a full time producer, musician, and teacher.And I use S1 PRO for 4 years now, paying upgrades, but no 20$/month.
I think the Hybrid/subscription model is crap, and here is why.
First about S1pro itself, 4 years ago this daw saw shining as you said, but now, Other DAWS like CUBASE or LIVE just become better in term of functionalities. Plus de fact that there stock plugins are a little outdated, their instruments are old and not ergonomic (Mojito, Impact, MaiTai, Presence), and let's not talk about their loops that I think are crap.
Second, when I buy a PRO version of any DAW, i want to have the PRO of everything, Like in Cubase, you pay the PRO, you have very good quality stock plugins, beautiful set of instruments and high quality loops. This is the minimum I'm asking for a professional DAW.
Third, I bought the pro version full price (for other daws, you have special price for students and teachers that presonus doesn't offer), I think at that time is was 350€, then I bought all the upgrades for 150€, so at least i spent 650€ to presonus, plus the faderport 8 plus the Atom, but that's personal. And after spending 650€, waiting for something new, I don't even get their NEW SYNTH... what a shame.
Fourth, If I project myself in 10 years of work, and admitting I take the HYBRID PLUS, I would have spent 1800$ !!! for a DAW, some outdates plugins, Notion, and 3 new intruments in the future ?!? what a deal... Even worse, I buy the 400$ S1PRO, plus 20$/month for the PLUS, plus 150$ every year for the upgrades, and in 10 years I would have spent 4300$ !!!!
To compare, if I buy Cubase now, thanks to my teaching, but also you can afford CUBASE at that price if you have a S1PRO licence I can buy CUBASE PRO 13 for 250$, nothing to pay more, everything is in the DAW, no subscription crap, nothing. I have to pay every year update it is 100$ full price (now it's 70€) So I would pay for the next 10 years in between 950$ and 1250€. Almost 4 times less.
Finally, I like your video because you're very transparent concerning the offers, but please don't use the terme "opportunity cost". I think that the subsription model is a LEASH for customers. If you stop your hybridPLUS, you can't UPDATE you daw ?!? and you don't have access to all the plugins you "used" in your sessions ?!? And Presonus bought by FEnder is a good reason why I think it will disappear, but it's just a guess, let's see.
So to sum up, I need a DAW that fulfill my needs of professional usage, that consider me not just like a WALLET but like a profesionnal customer, and that I can work with with SERENITY for the next DECADE, without putting me in a moment of CHANGING my DAW because of a bunch or marketing guys that will explain to me that PRESONUS will be 8x better if they take more money from their USERS. I need some SERIOUS TOOL, and SERIOUS PARTNERSHIP.
This is the reason why I feel this is the moment for me to say GOODBYE to S1 and HELLO the CUBASE. Crossing fingers that STEINBERG. will not to the same mistake. And I don't mention all the hours I will need to master CUBASE like I master S1Pro.
PS : big big thank you to the developpers of S1, you're doing a great job.
PSS : long live your channel, I like your flow, your transparency, and your sensitivity. And all your super smart ideas for a good development for the future of S1, but unfortunalty, i don't think marketing people from Fender are that smart ;) Hope they will drawback (once again) and make a better offer.
I haven't liked any daw as much as studio one so I don't know whether to switch.
I was just about to buy the Fat Channel Complete VST, but now I'm rethinking keeping Studio One after 10 years.
Learn other daws…I started in Fl moved to studio one and now mastered Bitwig and considering Cubase
@@AGZTGAMINGI do know other daws and appreciate the advice. Unfortunately, on a professional level, it’s not a quick pivot to switch one large projects are in production.
Thank you so much my brother. If I may add to the community, I probably won’t switch immediately, but I won’t be spending any more money on s1. Home recording is also a part of my living so comfort with the daw is important. I’m also comfy with Logic, I have cubase 10 but haven’t gotten comfy with it yet so not sure when/if I’ll upgrade that. Abso-tively no subscription for me personally. From what I’ve seen/heard, cubase is a current powerhouse with a seemingly happy customer base so I may dig into that more. Not gonna use pro tools again. So I’m just gonna get familiar with cubase as I see this as at least part of my future, continue using whatever version of s1 I have now for work, while logic remains as a faithful standby. 🎹♥️
Studio one has been the only DAW after fruity loops that I love. The worst DAW is Maschine, which i will not go back. Ever! Studio one has been my favorite. I dont want to switch to another daw and learn it from scratch. I've been using Studio one for 10 plus years. I want to keep using but i hope they dont bust another waves on us.
Man ! i love S1 too, but cannot be more upset about them ... i just keep S1 artist. Cancelled the subscription. NOTHING VALUABLE for the money. And i still LIKE and USE REAPER... REAPER at 60$ is a KILLER DEAL... BEST VALUE for the price !
Maschine isn’t a DAW, and to date, it hasn’t been designed to be one. That’s why, if you were looking for it to do DAW stuff, it sucks to you. It’s really a groovebox with Software to go with it.
Agree 💯
I’ve been working on learning FL Studio. I’ll just mix in Studio One. Probably won’t go past 6. The plugins look dated and is almost operating like they’re dated. If the plugins weren’t named what they actually are in studio one I wouldn’t be able to tell them apart outside of mojito. Especially being colorblind. A little color on the plugins is needed for people like me. There are no new features for owners. This daw is truly turning into a secondary daw. I don’t see Presonus actually doing good financially with a 7 version. They’ve already shown us what we have to look forward to.
In my perspective , It just seems like ounce a corporation makes a name for themselves ..... Looks like they have the attitude like "Eeeh!! We have them hooked so now we dont have to innovate anymore!!" To name a few , Sony , Avid , Panasonic and LG.
Hello Ivan! How can we contact you?
I have been a Studio One fan and user since the beginning. Honestly... it's just a VST. It's not the full Studio One DAW. My opinion, it's not a game changing VST. I personally won't get it because I don't need it. I understand people being upset. The move is a garbage move for those who really want the VST.
You gave me kind of a wake up call with this video. I'm a long time Studio One user since version 3, and I love this DAW. Why? Well as a non professional "music maker" I've learned all the things I need to know about getting a seamless workflow. I have never delved into other DAWs to any extent that would give me fair comparison.
I don't owe Presonus my loyalty. I only owe it to myself. I have invested money in their product for many years, but most importantly:
I have invested a lot of time to utilize this product to the best of my ability.
Am I willing to invest more time to learn a new DAW, even if I don't have to start from scratch? Perhaps!
Physical gadgets are easy to compare, but software is considerably more difficult.
Is there a DAW out there that better serves my needs as an amateur musician? Very possible.
I "just" need to take the leap and explore it.
Thank you for your honest opinions about Studio One.
Anyone using Mac OS can buy Logic Pro for US 199 and never pay for an update. I'm a Cubase user (since SX3 in windows), but moved to Mac OS a couple years ago, and I'm gonna buy Logic pro and learn it as a backup just in case Steinberg try to move to a subscription model only in the future.
Logic are VERY VERY good also... HUGE VALUE for the money.
Not 199
@@hoossembechiri6136U$ 199,99. Pay only once and never again.
I have been back and forth with them for months (Presonus) about Studio One not opening ANY Akai products! No VIP no MPC no nothing! If you have a session with any Akai related plug-in it will not open, it will crash! And this sucks for us MPC users! No fix as of 6.6
Before people needed to buy an update to get a new feature. I‘m don‘t understand the issue here.
Studio One 6.6 and Still no custom track icon...Again Logic Has Flex Pitch..Cubase Has Vari Audio Audio..What Tha Heck Is Presonus Waiting For...6.6 And I Dont See Major Update..
I'm quitting my subscription after being an S1 user since v4, but I've been a sonar user since Cakewalk 1 for DOS, so yes, I've been around.
Most of what the "upgrades" bring are useless for me. I don't care.
Back to Reaper, but hopefully one day, Open Source will have a good option.
I am still on 4.6 and I`m not planning any Studio One upgrade anytime soon. Literally no need to upgrade imho, as I am using mostly (if not exclusively) 3rd party plugs. It is so sad to see a DAW that had such a fantastic curve in regards to the pretty much everything that it offered up to v 4.6, but after v 4.6, only cosmetics and nothing more. Adding the synth is a good move, but I think it is little too late, and from what I`ve heard, the way the synth sounds, nah, no reason to upgrade. Honestly, I am into migrating to Bitwig, or as some of the subs recommended below, moving to Cubase.
Ivan, the other thing is that the Studio One add-ons that Presonus has, are no longer available to anyone who isn't a Studio One+ subscriber. So, not only is the new vst not available, but neither are any other add-ons. And your example of what you get is ignoring the common case of the person who already has a pro license, and the version upgrade is $150, versus $180 for the same thing, but with TEMPORARY access for a year, to the plus extras. So I'm locked into subscription if I use any of those extras in my productions, unless I redo them after.
I did not know that! Wow
The lack of the VSTi and the fact that the perpetual is a lie if you use + features is what I've been so upset about. Broken sessions if unsubbed. Also no consideration to existing pro users no discount or love at all just exclusion from new features to drive subs.
Studio one plus and hybrid are good options but yeah pro users should atleast get the instrument plug-ins all the time.That was their only mistake. But subscription model would aways have more add-ons compared to normal pro license though.That makes sense.@@andrewstephensmusic
I have paid years at like $175/yr into Studio One Pro/Sphere/+ (whatever they want to call it) subscription, and if I cancel my sub, I get nothing because my files will not be able to load into any version below the version it was created in. It's crazy that you can spend far more money than a perpetual license costs and they leave you with nothing but the option of spending the full $400 for a perpetual or losing the ability to load your files. That is a very fk you business model
We spent a lot of time and money to have a decent studio one. And we are not rewarded, for some time now subscribers have had more advantage even though they are paying less for the moment. It's simple if I have less or no more equivalent when I pay so much for perpetual then I'm being cheated. I don't want new bills to add to other people's bills per month. I want to control my purchases and if I can pay more if I have difficulties I can continue to use Studio One.
this is whyi like this guy his opion realy comes frome the love for music i see this update as a fail i dont want i sub daw
Some good points fare enough , problem is lots of of us don't want the poor sound content rubbish old fashioned loops poor vst instruments and effects which have not been updated for years apart from cosmetically . So what real value is in the (Hybrid Pro) never thought that Studio one would actually make Cubase look good but right now it does .
Thank you for trusting your "peeps" to speak plainly and provide an opportunity to know you a bit better. Your videos are informative, thought provoking, and you make such a complex discipline as quantum physics available to those who may not have been afforded academic pursuits.
I am also fond of your German humor.
I wonder if you would entertain a discussion with a philosopher who requires the academic prowess of an educated academic to quickly, mathematically prove me wrong?
I hope you may have the opportunity to chat.
I promise it won't be as tedious as a Feynman discourse on why mere mortals cannot grasp the scientific principles of a magnet.😅
In any case, I look forward to your next video, there is quite a lot of science going on!
I am releasing a song : Entangled Quantum Physically. It's all about frequency 😉
My thought is this: If you have been on the subscription since day one, they should be giving you a license out the gate NOW! Some of us have paid for this software multiple times already now I have to pay into it for another year to reap the benefit...IJS!!!!
SPOT ON !! This OLD software have been make profitable for a LONG TIME now... Honestly ; it was a JOKE.
@presonus we don't want 2nd pro tool please
I have been buying studio one professional perpetual licenses for years. Initially I was pissed off with the latest 6.6 update debacle. Now I have had time to calm down and think about it, I am happy with the studio + hybrid one year subscription model. I will just purchase on the next major update V7. 0 then cancel after one year. I will repeat this process on the release of each major update. I believe Presonus will eventually do the right thing regarding this latest 6.6 issue.
Time for CLAP? Reaper supports it, but will S1? I'm tired of lock in.
What exactly you miss in regards to instruments? I mean... I can do EVERYTHING with it very fast! I work in a professional environment as a producer and audio engineer of the biggest rap label of latin america and, I have to say, it improoved a lot in regards of midi, instruments and stuff like that. Im also a long time user and I honestly dont see the point of saying that other DAWs add stuff for production and Studio One one did not. For me it does not fit to reality!
Love your vongents by the way
Thanks for the video!
Audio software companies need to stop cock slapping their loyal clients in the face.
I don’t appreciate that support for my 2013 Intel Mac Pro has ended. Can’t get latest version. Didn’t discover this until I paid for my new subscription and downloaded. Yeah, I shouldn’t have assumed but still it rubbed me the wrong way. Threw it on my 2021 MB Pro to feel better (not using it though) but studio rig is dead in the water basically. If you think producers have been feeling left behind, I waited years for better video features… thank you Presonus for the recent improvements. Still, I have to get a new computer $$$ to run latest. So I’m at a standstill unless i use the MacBook which I really don’t want to have to do. I’m a very loyal user so I hope like you do that the path forward doesn’t keep us wanting.
Ill keep using it until i cant and then decide to upgrade or switch.
I agree. I pay and continue to pay a reasonable price for all my products. I can not run a business to give away my creative products. Don't cry about more developments every time you want. Learn to create a music program and see if you can make it without money. Creating software is different from cooking meals.
It’s a great situation! I’m not leaving SO because it works for me. Presonus still has to continue to make money to be able to pay developers, so they can keep up with the market. Not to mention to make a profit! One way or another, you’re gonna have to pay.
No comments on anything else at the moment, except, if you are financially struggling and can only pay monthly but pay 12 months in a row, I think you should also be awarded with a perpetual licence at the end, in this hydbrid model. Otherwise it's just discrimination against poor people. You have to pay more overall when paying per month than if annually, generally speaking, so if you've been doing that for a long time you're actually giving Presonus more money than annual subscribers but getting less back.
Yeah, thanks for your math!! That gives meaning when you are a new user. And knowing all about the pain learning new DAW's.. with clients behind you... :-)
But what now if you are long time loyal professional Pro user that always have upgraded, bought almost all the whistles (BatchConverter, Notion, MIX FX plugins, FP, Atom, AtomSQ, soundcards, mixer..) Studio One is great!! and I don't really care about another stock VSTi, so many great third party instruments.
So when version 7 arrives it looks like it's going to be 179$ a year for upgrade and receiving updates (bug fixes)?
Been there before.. remains too much of Avid for me.
I'm a frequent user of and have Ableton, PT (yeah I know but compatibility..) ,Logic, demoing Cubase 13 (no.. was hoping for some clever Dorico integration..)
I'm hoping it all will be sorted out, or it's probably going to be Reaper for production.
Dang, everyone's crying over nothing. It happens every time a company changes anything. Everyone freaks out and then forgets about it when the next thing to cry about comes along.
They don’t cater to the hip hop community AT ALL!!! But for some reason a love Studio One🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤣
This is my exact thought every time I open it up to work 😂
Studio One is a great DAW but now they want to steal our dough for Studio one plus we say No ❤
Ivan , if our Main tool of music production is the DAW, then I don't mind to pay 15 USD to have it automatically up to date and 200 GB of useful samples and plugins. It's a fair deal to me. What is NOT a fair deal is the money that we pay to Plugin companies ( also subscriptions) that we don't really need them. But our Main tool which is the DAW it's not a big deal to pay subscription. Also we pay subscription in EVERY aspect of our life ( mobile providers, electricity, you tube premium, microsoft cloud etc etc etc.
Yeah and $19 or $15 per month for a pro license with add-ons is a good deal for both a beginner and a pro. Other DAWs cost way too much compared to that.
In 2024 a ""DAW"" is a BOX ... Just and simple a software utility : NOTHING MORE. Right now Presonus give NOTHING MORE than REAPER who is 60$... and you doesn' t have to pay for update for a LONG period... ( at least 2 years...). I am a programmer , and believe me : S1 at this price for what they have done now ; NOT IMPRESSED !
@@thethings4708 People don't use a tool based on it's cost. That's like buying the cheapest available product for all your needs. You should use the one which makes sense to you and also within your budget. There are many out there who don't like reaper even for $60 and there are people who use cubase/Ableton for $500-$600.
I Thank God Cubase are not into subscription thing..Cubase for life
Cubase needs a subscription model as well. I think having both like studio one is ideal. I think even a beginner should get a chance to use pro versions of these DAWs without spending $300+.
The good thing that they ever did was to not go that direction.
All daws cannot do the same thing
@@josephkahimbo3427 They should offer a subscription model as well. Having both options would be better. If it's an one time thing than the price should be like logic pro not $500+
Come to me Cubase 😅
u has to buy the software first before u add the hybrib
Most members got it for 180 Dollars... I had to give 180 Euro 🤜💥🤪
I think one person became sour about this and the others just followed. I never have and never will care about any built in fx or instruments. hybrid is the best deal the industry has ever seen.
I agree that hybrid is unique, and I'm interested to see where that goes. Regarding everything else, as someone who has been creating Studio One production content for the past 6 years and speaking to a ton of people in the community, this isn't the first time concerns have been raised. This was probably the tipping point, though.
@@ImIvanCalderon PreSonus should listen to their users concerns, that's a fact, even though the whole thing might be out of perspective on both sides.
Solution move to cubase 13
I'm aware how closely tied you are to this software so I understand the frustration. However, I think, if you or someone could, compare this new Virtual Instrument with others, paid or free ones, before making this video. The subscription bit though is somewhat concerning, as someone who used to use Clip Studio Pain then switched to Krita (a free open sourced software). CSP now ONLY has perpetual licenses and they put too many features behind a paywall. I hope Studio1 doesn't go that route.
Then they will fix it to where they get a piece of your intellectual property. Into perpetuity.
Not switching yet, but I bought a copy of cubase to start learning the workflow in case this goes downhill fast.
Love Studio One and honestly don’t use a single one of their stock instruments (they frankly are just below average)
The workflow of studio one for mixing, audio editing & Dolby atmos is better then any other DAW I’ve used so far. For reference I own pro tools, logic, studio one, and Reaper.
Logic has the best stock instruments of any Daw by far, but probably one of the clumsiest/ugliest editing / mixing pages of all time.
Pro tools is only necessary for project sharing with the more ”seasoned” audio guys or when you have to work in a large studio environment.
I personally don’t like Reapers workflow but I understand the appeal.
corporate business schools management, vs engineers management.seems what happens in music is no different from other industries. cash must flow...sad