UP 844 Assists a Stalled 11,620 Ton Freight Train!!!
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2016
- This is part of a show about 844 I watched the other day, this part was awesome, so I figured I'd share it here on youtube. Pardon the quality, as this was filmed many years ago. I DON'T OWN ANY OF THIS, ALL COPYRIGHTS GO TO THE UNION PACIFIC STEAM CREW, SINCE THEY PRODUCED IT, AND OTHER RESPECTED OWNERS. I UPLOADED THIS STRICTLY FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY, NO COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT INTENDED. IF YOU OWN ANY OF THIS & WANT IT REMOVED, RATHER THAN FLAG IT & GIVE ME COPYRIGHT STRIKES, PLEASE JUST COMMENT BELOW & ILL RECIEVE A NOTIFICATION OF YOUR COMMENT & WHEN I SEE IT ILL REMOVE THE VIDEO, THANKS. Thumbs up to UP for making this amazing program about the 844. As always, thanks for watching and have a great day.
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Getting notifications via phone, is that a relatively new thing? Technology moves so fast today. If easy to explain how it works, would you please? Thanks. Enjoyed the vid but felt a little bit sorry for the steamer having to work so hard.
CHUGALUG On my phone which is a samsung galaxy sky, if you have the youtube app, which I think comes with the phone in most cases, go to settings, then notifications, then select which apps you want to send notifications to you. & you have to open the youtube app & go to settings in there as well & enable notifications there also.
Thanks for the info NS#1Fan Cheers!
CHUGALUG Your welcome. 👍
NorfolkSoutherns#1Fan in other words you mean to say you care about your viewers... u earned a sub right there
844: "Yknow what we called this kinda train back in my day?"
Diesels: "What?"
844: "Lightweight."
Damn
Big boy: “You know what we call this train back in my day?”
Any new train: “What?”
Big boy: “Nothing.”
Yeah... no. 844 is an express passenger locomotive, not a heavy freight engine. And remember that, when you hear of Big Boys pulling 100 cars, those cars were significantly lighter than modern cars: in those days, the standard box car was 40ft; today it's 50ft and many are 60ft or longer, and many are excess height, too. A Big Boy would happily pull 4,200 tons but this train is 2.5 times that much.
@@Johndoe-jd A Big Boy wouldn't come close to hauling an 11,000-ton train. The were designed for 3,600t, though they were more capable than that.
@@beeble2003 The person doing the title likely meant 11,000 LBS, if it was tons the train wouldve never made it out of the yard, would have far more than 3 engines, and would be miles long
UP 844 isn't just pushing a stalled freight train, its also pulling its own excursion train. American steam power at its finest
Not an excursion. There would’ve been more passenger cars if it were. This was a ferry move to get the 844 back to Cheyenne to close out the season, hence the fact that the only passenger cars present were just the support/tool cars. The water tender’s there for obvious reasons, and the flatbeds were probably there for the sake of braking.
And with no diesel helper for dynamic braking. 844 does not have the tractive effort 4014, as the wheel slip shows, but will pull faster than 4014, which is what it was designed for. Not running at near cut off as the chuffing sounds reveal. Have fun
Steam power, European locos were equally powerful just smaller
3 diesels couldn’t cut it.. 1 outdated steam loco said hold my beer and made it happen putting the diesels to absolute shame.. i will always favor steam power
@@mikecorleone6797you should watch 3985 pulling +140 rail cars, happy little steamie doing what she does
Diesels: Dammit we lost one of our units, how are we supposed to get going now!?
844: Hold my beer
More like 'hold my oil' or coal whichever you prefer
Hold my water.
Yo Wassup Thunderbolt. :D
haha nice
Big Boy: Hold my Coca Cola.
Who came here after watching Big Boy 4014 shove a stalled revenue train? 💪
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Me
So now we have a trio on video moving freight. 844, 3985 & 4014! Not bad for old timers. 😂
@@artiek1177 yessir! 👴🏻💪😆
The real question is who didn’t?
Since she was bought, she's never been sidelined, retired or discontinued. BAD ASS ENGINE!! Diesels come and go but steam power is king!!!
And in bad times steam will be able to function.
Queen** :)
Or you should say that steam power is also Queen Regnant 👑 too?
844 will live on forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are right! union pacific 844 is a bad ass engine! This engine has been running since December of 1944! It has never been retired it is still on the active engine roster! This steam locomotive has got to be One of the most loved steam locomotive of all time! Except for overhauls she has been never been down for a long time Union Pacific 844 is 76 years old! Her first fire was on December 24, 1944! She was coal burning her first year of service she was then converted the burn oil No. 5 oil in 1945 I have been looking for an HO model of her for years! But unfortunately no luck so far I’m really hoping she comes to Wisconsin sometime soon I would love to see her personally!
844 must have been like "Aw man I haven't gotten this good of a workout it years!"
@Union Pacific living legend fan There is no apostrophe in plurals. If you're thinking of New Year's Eve, that is referencing the eve belonging to the new year.
That moment when you have three ultra-modern diesel-electrics and still need the help of a 70-year-old "obsolete" "dinosaur" to move your train - and the "dinosaur" provides all the extra power you need while still pulling its own train! Remember, steam was not withdrawn because it couldn't do the job, or could not do it as well as the diesels, it was withdrawn because diesels were cheaper - lower maintenance costs, and the ability to consist engines under one crew saved on labor costs.
You can see how much power it is putting to tge rails when the wheels slip
@@MrMatavelhas yup, she was pushing hard.
@@MrMatavelhas also consider she is pushing against the locomotives. Speed matching would be a trick matching power output from a steamer with 80" drivers.
Oh, and the diesels get much better gas mileage, there's a better view ahead form the cab, the locomotive doesn't kill anybody if there's a catastrophic engine failure.
@@michaelbujaki2462 operating costs was number One. Water stops and maintenance costs killed steam.
I remember reading about this in an issue of "Trains" years ago. One of the things I remember from the article was that the head end crew didn't think it was possible for a steam locomotive to do this kind of work, to which Mr. Lee Responded "What do you think they did before diesel".
HustleMuscleGhias New Railroaders can't be THAT ignorant, can they?
Polish Sausage I read the same article also. And I would believe it.
Many years ago the Southern was running an excursion out of Cincinnati. The trainmaster was concerned that the 4501 might stall on Erlanger Hill and suggested a diesel helper for the train. Bill Purdie snapped, "How the hell do you think we ran this railroad fifty years ago?"
Polish Sausage oh but they can be that ignorant. It's the same in the maritime industry when comparing steamships to diesel ships. I was on 7,000 HP steamer and we beat the the other diesel ships many times when we were running up and the lakes.
Build a bigger fire we will push it or blow the boiler. I bet the the attitude in the cab
Once again ol' "Grandpa" shows the youngsters how it's really done!
Grandma actually
What about the big boy 4012 series and why do people call steam trains a girl?
@@cameronsmith9427 I think we call steam trains/boats females because they carry people inside like a pregnant woman does.
@@cameronsmith9427 we in the west call all machines by the feminine gender the ruskies on the other hand call their machines by the masculine gender....
@@mottthehoople693 Damn commies! 😆
I saw a video of Steve Lee who was running the 844 when she pushed the train up the hill and Mr Lee stated that after the freight stalled he was ordered by the dispatcher to tie on and push him to the summit. The engineer of the freight didn't think the 844 would be able to push him to the top to which Mr Lee replied " how do you think we moved trains before Diesels?" Then proceeded to push the freight without a problem.
I look forward to seeing a lifelong dream come true an actual Big Boy under steam. I know it will happen I just hope I live long enough to see it myself.
Assuming you’re still around, your comment has certainly aged well!
Idk if youve seen it but 4014 just pushed a stalled freight train. While it had a Diesel on its excursion its certainly an impressive feat
@@joshpierce1612 Just watched the video. Complete with wheelslip and everything, to prove it's not 4015 doing the actual work.
@@BenRichards227 the 4015 is only there to be used as a generator for the other cars
@@shadownium2528 true, alot of ppl think that the diesels are doing all the work, but why is the big boy releasing all the steam and smoke, plus passenger cars arent steam heated anymore and they need head end power for ac and electricity to work, which only modern diesels and electric locomotives have
Imagine being part of the #844 crew knowing your decades old steam locomotive saved a stalled freight train pulled by modern diesels
If it was 2044 right now, It would be a century old.
and 4014 just did this today. never have i ever heard a big boy bark so loudly and i with i could again.
In the age where everything has a limited life span, its so good to see the restoration of magnificent locomotives. What a rare treat to she 844 doing a great job.
Fun fact up 844 was never restored because she has never been decommissioned she's been in service since she was delivered to Union Pacific in 1944
That was great to hear the 844 working that hard! It seldom has to throw all its horsepower at something like that. Very cool!
Something tells me the engineer and fireman enjoyed showing off 844's power.
A Bit of Thought The crew of 844 didn't have much of a choice sense they were behind the stalled freight. So it was either push em or be stuck behind em
When show-time becomes go-time! UP carries its steamers on its roster as fully-operational head-end power, and not just as vintage toys -- the public-relations function of them is just an extension of their basic role as completely competent machines for moving serious modern-day revenue-freight/passenger tonnage (if necessary) at
high speed (if possible).
Just think, 844 was never retired since its build back in '44! ("Big Boy" 4014, born '41, was struck off the rolls in '61 and took a temporary R&R break for a mere half-century before rejoining UP.) Cheers.
That's torque not horsepower.
@@KandiKlover
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That's Tork not torque or horsepower. ( ಠ ͜ʖಠ)
The steam is awesome. My grandpa was a steamer in Hungary over 40 years! Two diesel stalled with a very heavy iron train. He was called out and pushed with one steam locomotive the whole thing up to the end, 85 km away! He step danced the sound of the engine! Tears in my eyes as I listening the real sound of 844! The engineer is a master of that loco, you can hear of the sound the beautiful doppler, great great job!
It's like asking your grandfather to help push your car up the hill....and he does most of the work with no effort :P
While pulling his car and a trailer behind him.
Grandpa's still a good sport! :-)
lol
I mean it is true! Steam locomotives can do anything really. 844 would've pulled that freight train, along with another train behind it no problem! Yes, it might need a back engine to push, but on normal ground those trains can pull tons. No pun intended
Actually the type 844 is a mix traffic loco that can do both. While its is more focus on passengers it can do freight just as well.
Good to see 844 actually being used for what it was designed to do!
Paul Koehrer it was designed to pull passenger trains, not freights
dennis trident william True, but it looked like it was built for strength and speed.
luis alvarado it was, it was made to pull 1000 tone passenger trains at 100mph, could cruise at 110, and top speed of 120mph
dennis trident william Nice.
They were kinda like other railroads, the 4-8-4 was used for passenger trains, like the N&W 611 and SP 4449, the medium sized articulateds were used for fast freight, examples being the UP 3985 and N&W 1218, and the big articulateds were used for heavy, slow hauling, examples being the N&W 2156, the Big Boy, and the SP 4294
my late father saw this and just smiled . he loved steam engines
shanan Hale I'm glad he enjoyed it!
NorfolkSoutherns#1Fan I wish he was still alive to see more
What's not to love?
Just shows what steam is capable of. 844 isn’t even close to the strongest of 4-8-4’s and certainly not the strongest American steam lock and yet what a sight to have seen a stalled freight train with 3 diesels pulling and they’re getting help from an old hero who just shoved them up like they’re nothing
Two diesels, one of the 3 gave out
Steam doing what steam does best, moving tons of freight.
Pilbara iron ore trains would eat this thing for breakfast. They can weigh 35,000 tons each.
That is roughly 350 loaded ore cars and I'm sure it has mid train and
rear end helper power, and this is a single steam engine pushing a
stalled freight train up a hill that I'm sure weighs a whole lot less
than 35000 tons, you really need to think about the reality of this
situation.
emdman1959 844 is not the only engine providing power, only one of the diesels quit running. The train weighs 11,620 tons, which is more than any one engine of any kind can haul uphill, muchless push as its harder to push than pull.
Gammareign There is no engine in existance that can pull that much by itself. Uphill or on level track.
some of the misabi Yellowstone locomotives would drag pretty heavy ore trains but that's flat ground up a hill two at least the traction effort alone is pretty tough... I would be curious on level ground if say a y6B could get it rolling...
I understand these locomotives are over 70 years old and they really don’t want to push anything that old too hard but steam locomotives are absolute powerhouses, I’m glad 844 got to stretch her legs in a little helper service. Same with 3985 pulling revenue freight every once in a while
Fantatic. We had a similar situation (albeit with a lot less load) on the Settle - Carlisle railway in the Uk, in the early 1980s, when a following steam excursion had to push the whole freight, and the failed Class 40 diesel, up the hill and into a refuge siding. It was Jubilee Class 4-6-0 LEANDER. It did it, also, with its own train in tow. Who says steam is obsolete. Thanks for sharing
And Lord Nelson had to rescue a stone train on the S&C, unfortunately late at night so no images or footage exists...
As a correction, Leander did not have its own train in tow at the time; a web search for "Leander 40179" (the specific class 40 involved) gives quite a lot of documentation of the event, including photos of Leander running light engine to assist.
Nonetheless, it was still no mean feat for a steam locomotive "geared" primarily for fairly high speed passenger traffic to haul both the failed diesel and its freight train.
I've heard about this incident, it's still really cool to hear about even today.
Heh, it reminds me of a *certain* event that took place in 1972, yk somewhere near the lake district in Cumbria, if ykyk.
Modern meets nostalgia in one cooperative manner.
Hello
844 is like someone from Thomas and friends
That's a whole different category of shade - Not only did your fancy revolutionary diesel train break down and stall, you needed a steamer, on a PASSENGER EXCURSION, help you finish the route. Glorious.
Pretty embarrassing for the freight train, but an awesome moment for UP 844.
844: "You guys ready?"
Diesels: "Yeah, give it ya best shot"
(between Diesels): "This will be good, gonna fail so hard....One loco....Got no chance"
844:"Here we go."
Diesels:"Ok, Ready when... WHOA..... WHOA NELLIE........ JESUS H CHRIST......"
844: What are you two yappin about up there?
Diesels: UUHHHH Nothing
844: "Ahhhh, it feels good to stretch my wheels and really use some power!!! (to Diesels) "You guys can relax a bit!!! This train isn't that heavy, so I'll take care of it from here!!!!!"
Diesels: "....................I think we've been schooled."
The diesels were later laughed at when they reached the yard.
Other engines: "AH HA!! You got pushed by an old steamer!"
UP: "Blame (picked diesel) for it. He gave out."
"WOW! Who knew you three had to call an almost 80yr old to help you guys"
The UP engines blushed in embarrassment and ran to the sheds.
UP: we can handle it.
844: correction... *I* can handle it.
James M lol true
844 and 4014: Correction. We can handle it.
844: "You guys go home, I got this under control."
Northern type locomotives were - and still are - absolute powerhouses.
I watch this as a pick-me-up whenever I'm feeling a bit down. One awesome thing I've noticed is that at about a minute and thirty seconds, the wheels slip just as they are passing the camera, then regain grip again. Seems like the crew saw the guy filming, and figured "We got power to spare. Lets put on a show for the camera". I mean, the wheels don't slip until they are almost next to the camera.
4014: hold my beer
Beer you say?
**flashes back to ep.2 of TFB**
Dan: **yawns** “Man, what is that smell? It smells like alcohol.”
Steve: “Eh sorry about that. Uh, my engineer was drinking again. He was so drunk, uh he put beer in my tank.”
Dan: “Again?! That is the seventh time this week now and I’ll never get some sleep.
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Skip to 11:45 for the reference.
Anyway, jokes aside, I don’t see how it’s possible for a steam locomotive to use beer as a fuel.
And now we have the sequel almost three decades later. History has this funny way of repeating itself. And this time it was Big Boy too
I bet the engineer of the stalled consist never lived this down...
Toby Cameron I'd say probably not.
I first read about this in trains magazine decades ago. Apparently the SD40 went off line and they could not get it back on line, that was their solution.
I don't think it's really even possible to live that down lol
Actually, nothing to live down. From what I understand, they lost a unit. Crap happens.
The engineer that hasn't stalled with a train, doesn't have the ink dry on his Engineer's Card!
844: "Back in my day, we pulled loads similar to this and never get stalled. All that oil and grease you younger engines have and still not strong enough."
Diesels: "Oh shut up, and help us up this hill."
And here we are in 2023 and Big Boy just did the same thing.
844 never out classed just shinny new things took her place.
If I'm not mistaken, 844 has never been decommissioned by the UP. So she still keeps her 'place'.
Absolutely, the 844 is the only "known" steam locomotive in North America never to have been retired. Many diesels have come and gone, the 844 proudly serves, and will continue to do so for decades to come.
Thomas Boese..... The 844 is the Only Steam locomotive in The WORLD since built in the 1940's (1944) to have Never been retired from active service.
Thomas Boese in North America? How come not the world? Because i dont see any other steam locomotive anywhere else that hasnt been retired
Clutch Master What about the LNER B12 #8572?
Well, that shows why the UP built the Challengers and "Big Boys" in the first place for the western routes with steep and long grades. They have huge tractive effort and are the most efficeint when really rolling. I am an old fart so I am blessed to have seen them in revenue service. As a five year old I could be around operating steam engines without fear. In the age before tort attorneys were behind every bush, I had cab rides on both coal and oil fired engines. I bet few engineers today know about the "company notch." I try to make it over to the UP "Depot Days' every year and it is really sad that there isn't a passenger train that serves that event. I have often wondered how viable an excursion train would be from Chicago to Cheyenne with multiple stops for additional passengers.
jayfmiller god, I’m jealous of you
Union Pacific 844's like I am getting tired
I’d jump on that ride at Creston, Iowa!
Just because - coal powered steam in revenue service ua-cam.com/video/OCWJnS65yVo/v-deo.html
Just because something is old doesn't mean it's useless. Love seeing this old horse still get out and run with the kids. If i'm not mistaken 844 still runs regularly today.
Shane Singleton 844 does still run from time to time.
844 was working hard and loving it!
I think we all know why this is making it's way through our recommendations again :)
Anybody here after 4014 helped push a stalled freight of her own?
This just floated up in my recommendations😂 I found out about BB’s epic moment earlier today from Hyce’s video
I am
Yes.
This video was posted several years before the video of the 4014 rescuing a stalled freight
Who’s here after Big Boy did the same thing? Those boys still got it!
844 is no stranger to helping trains over those hills XD.
That's because 844 is a strong steam engine.
And because EMD's E-units were bad at climbing them.
So true. Makes me wonder why UP didn't follow the Santa Fe in using F-units for passenger trains.
They had a few in their fleet but for whatever reason they liked the EMD E series better. The SP had a bit of everything from ALCo PA's to EMD E8 and E9's as well as F series passenger locomotives. From what I have heard SP didn't like Their ALCo PA's for very long and eventually phased them out in favor of EMD's product the E8/9. Santa Fe did have a few ALCo's as well but not as many as SP and like you said they mainly used EMD F series locomotives for their passenger trains. UP liked the E units while SP bought a variety of passenger locomotives such as those I named.
ZeldaTheSwordsman alot of track slip tho
Imagine what would happen if a freight broke down in front of the 4014 once it's completed...
They will probably have 4014 pull a freight train for its break in run, since it is a freight engine, or a diesel and a few passenger cars if had to guess.
Is someone seriously trying to restore a 'Big Boy' to running order, and actually have it haul a train?
Yeah, Union Pacific is currently restoring 4014 to operating condition. They said it should be 2019 when its restoration is complete unless something major comes up.
Big Boys running again? Looking forward to seeing THAT! Roll on 2019. :)
Yes. UP #4014 has been purchased by the Union Pacific from its static display, and is currently in pieces in the Cheyenne Wyoming UP Steam shop where 844 is maintained. They are documenting the condition of all components and making necessary repairs, then it will be reassembled into a fully operational 4000 series Big Boy locomotive, and become the largest operational steam locomotive in the world.
This video was certainly a most enjoyable experience for those of us who admire the Steam Locomotives ~ old soldiers never die!
THE HARDEST PULL I EVER SAW WITH THE 844!!
THE VERY RECENT VIDEOS OF 4014 ON BLAIR HILL IS THE HARDEST I HAVE SEEN 4014 WORKING, BUT EVEN SO WAS NOT NEAR ITS MAX!!
KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!!
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Nice to see 844 actually doing some real work after all these years!
What an incredible display of power!! 844 barely broke a sweat! WOW!!
Diesel engineer- "We're in Notch 8, what are you in?"
844- "Uh, Notch 32."
What is about these old beasts that is so encouraging when we see them perform? Old Technology isn't always bad technology.
Someone built the pyramids and that was defiantly old technology.
Diesel- “notch 32?”
844- “Yhea, notch 32 out of 85.”
That is THE most INCREDIBLE video I have EVER seen!! I had NO IDEA that ANYONE had videoed that incredible event!!
Thank you very much for posting this stunning video here!
I read the article in “Railfan & Railroad” about this astounding feat (sorry -- don’t remember which issue), but was not aware that a video of it existed. The crew of the 844 cold see the headlights of 2 other freights behind them, and offered to give the stalled freight a shove -- and were allowed to. And they DID IT!!
The 844 an d her sisters (UP 800-843) were built to pull 1,000-ton passenger trains at 100 mph. They were built to develop maximum horsepower at 90 mph and to cruise at 110 for long periods of time. Fact. But engines that were built to pull long and heavy freights and to be used as helpers were much bigger -- many more drivers that were somewhat smaller and were more powerful. like the Challengers (4-6-6-4s) and the famous Big boys (4-8-8-4s).
But use an 80-inch-drivered passenger locomotive as a HELPER??? Why not? AFAIK, that is the ONLY time she has ever been used as a helper on a freight train, and possibly the only time a UP 800 was ever used as a helper. And it was captured on video. Wow.....
What the 844 did back the was simply incredible, and shows what a steam locomotive can do. The sheer POWER they have is mind-blowing!
Otto Jabelmann and the Union Pacific and Alco wold be VERY proud.
Your most welcome. Someone from UP filmed it since the show I took this from was produced by the steam crew.
NorfolkSoutherns#1Fan
Let's see UP takes delivery of 844 just before Christmas 1945 never retires the locomotive runs it all over the country. Likely it never pushed a stalled train until this video? Not likely. My fist year as a fireman a westbound freight stalled in front of us. We were ordered by the west end dispatcher to tie on and push him over the top at Washington, Massachusetts. Power? 2 EMD E-7's three coaches. Not a lot of tractive effort as only 8 out of 12 axles were powered and we only had 4000 horsepower geared for 117 mph but push we did uncoupled at Washington and continued on crossed over at cp-148 and crossed back over at cp-150 while the west bound was waiting at cp-150 for us to go around him and get out of dodge.
You can't say we're not going to use passenger power to push a freight because it would really tie up the road to try and get freight power in front of the passenger train to do the push with. When a train stalls the dispatcher doesn't care what's behind the stalled train just tie it on and push it to the top of the grade. We never got over the 6th notch due to slippage but we got the job done and were the traction motors hot when we reached the summit.
James Shanks a
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This video was shot by a member of The UP Steam crew who was following the engine in a company truck and just posted it last year for the first time.
@ Not that amazing? How often do you see a 1940s era steam passenger locomotive pushing a stalled freight train over a hill?
The amusing thing that nobody ever comments on or pays attention to is the fact that when the Bigboy and Challenger ruled, freight cars still used friction bearing trucks while now of course everything uses roller bearing trucks. That five mile train the BB could pull in 1945 was rolling on stiff friction bearings... Keep that in mind.
Big boy 4014 did the same thing today
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Is as if the 844 showed off and said "I could do more."
Yeah, like sayin' ''Is that all ya got?'' This ain't nothin'.
Amazing wheelslip
Can hardly wait to show this to my grandson... he'll go crazy! He thinks my 1947 Lionel K4 is cool... boy, is he in for a surprise....Steam is dead? Sure... ha ha ha. Fantastic post!
Jim Griffin Im sure he'll enjoy it!! 👍 glad you liked it.
Show him some of the videos of Nickel Plate 765 on the move. Steam is very much alive, and while it might not be the king like it used to it still has all the power and glory of the 1940s.
I will show him. I'm sure he'll love the 765. We're lucky though, as we can go downtown and see "Madam Queen" a one of a kind Locomotive No.5000... the only Loco Baldwin ever built to Santa Fe Spec.'s... wish our city would care enough to restore it.
Wikipedia article on that engine says the city is considering selling it. Maybe it'll go to a nonprofit group that is able to restore it and find a route for it to run on. Then you could take him to actually ride it.
Right on... He and I would surely love to do that! You should see her and what a rare, fantastic one of a kind Locomotive she is! There are some uploads of her here on YT being moved, Etc. Shame it is just rusting away.
dude that thing pushed a fully loaded desiel as well as its own load and did it LIKE A boss
izzy ravenlock with help,from 2 of the 3 diesels. Too much tonnage for 844 alone.
STIll the most beautyfull thing ive ever seen
izzy ravenlock yes.
any idea when her big brother is gonna come back the 4014?
2019 according to their website. It said something about having it finished for some event called "The golden spike"?
4014 has followed in his footsteps…
These old American Iron Workhorses of the past scream 'Murica better and louder than the locomotives of today.
Unfortunately from safety and effectiveness viewpoint: as powerful as the old steam locomotives were, they require far more maintenance and inspection of the boiler every so many hours than diesels
Plus if the boiler is cooled down, you can't jump in a steam locomotive and just start pulling, you have to wait for it to be heated up to the right temperature before you can do any work. Any diesel you can jump in & go
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One god EMP and this is the only functioning locomotive available of this size.
Nonsense. 844 isn't the only mainline steam locomotive to be operational. We've also got NKP 765, PM1225, N&W 611, and a host of others around the world.
SharpEnuff You can also add Santa Fe 3751 and coming really soon to a depot near you Santa Fe 2926!
and it will have no headlight or tender light.
OdinYggd what about the 4449
UP has 3985, a 4-6-6-4 Challenger and soon 4014 a 4-8-8-4 Big Boy will be back in service..
This looks familiar!
Right down to the wheel slip.
That wheelslip though
Steam engines are really just uncontrollable beasts that are let loose sometimes.
They don't do it on purpose, as it damages the drive wheels and track. These engines have a noticeable throttle lag as the steam chest pressure rises and falls when working. It takes a steady hand on the regulator and a bit of practice handling the engine to get a feel for how quickly the engine will respond. When working hard, anything that makes the engine slip will let it break free into a wheelslip like that, and even if you back off the regulator it still takes a minute for the steam chest pressure to fall enough for the engine to find its feet again.
Even smaller steam engines used on the farm had that same sort of throttle lag. It took me by surprise last summer at the throttle of a 1915 Frick traction engine, when trying to get the engine to turn slowly it seemed like it wouldn't want to move at all- and then suddenly it would take of and not want to slow down again until it used up the head of steam it had gotten before I could shut the throttle again.
Nah it was a show off
@@renegadeoflife87 it doesnt take "a minute" for an engine to respond, but it does take a moment.
@@oscartobaroatmeal6734 No, really, it wasn't. Any idiot can spin the wheels -- just yank the regulator open and off it goes. You show off by doing hard work and _not_ spinning the wheels.
It's like the 1st season of Thomas the Tank Engine when Edward pushes Gordon up the hill.
To think that they dropped steam engines that could do that kind of easy work for them, back in the 50's and 60's. Labor intensive they were, but look at what the steamers could do in a fix. Love it to pieces!
If this isn't justice... I don't know what is!
NHV Railroader indeed 844 saved the day that morning in November of 96.
I agree
"justice" will be when we see 4014 on the head end of a frieght train headed up Sherman hill once again.
@@jamesm6638 and the 844 pushing , or the reverse- 844 leading,4014 pushing!
The crew of 844 must have loved this little banking job.Great to see!
Pure brute strength. Awesome is an overused word these days, but THAT was absolutely awesome. I love how they didn't even think of leaving their own train then going back after they had given a helping hand, such was their confidence in 844.
That's a nice little burnout for the camera hehe
The crew was probably super excited to do this.
844 definitely looks great doing it too
I remember a documentary on TV years ago when I heard about this incident. There were 3 diesels pulling the train when one of them lost power. It was pure luck that 844 was in the area and was able to help. Having said that, some of the comments here about newer engineers not understanding the kind of power steam locomotives truly had doesn't surprise me. Big Boy, Challenger, 844 and countless others could easily out pull several diesels by themselves. I don't know the figure/ratios but if you look at the kind of power they put out, that's all the proof you need.
844: Puffs up to the stalled train
Guard: Waves flag at 844 “Our freight train is stuck and can’t get up the hill.”
Diesels: “Help us up the hill the freight cars are playing tricks on us”
844: “I’ll get this freight train up the hill”
Hell yeah good Thomas reference
This is the ultimate "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" scenario.
Highly inefficient and requiring metric shittons of maintenance for operation would generally qualify as something broke and needing fixing.
Paco Ramirez
I really wish I had a good counterargument for that. But you’re right.
Inefficient? Yeah. (so is diesel, literally anything that involves burning something is automatically by definition inefficient)
High maintenance? Definitely.
But no single diesel engine can compare to the amount of power something like this has.
Not true, an SD70ACe if I can recall correctly is more powerful than a Y6B, stop fantasizing over steam trains. @@thedeviousduck8027
Facts don't care about feelings @beans lmao
Old 844 rides again! Too good to retire!
Now Imagine when they get the X-4014 Big Boy restored, and something like this happened. 'Move over child, I got this' *proceeds to shove entire train up the hill while carrying a 20+ car excursion train and a bunch of empty flatcars with minimal effort*
Lord, they may not just only use her for excursion duties. If something stalls and she is in the area, prepare to be boarded man, because that is a nonstop shoving trip to the next wherever you need to get to or until it levels back out.
nicely said!!!
I hope 4014 visits its birthplace in Schenectady NY when it is back on the tracks blowing steam.
@@cliffconklin9478 Wait, 4014 was built in N.Y.?
all the way to california!
@@erisdiscordia1649 yep, every big boy, Challenger, 800 class... All built in NY
There,s a hellva lot power in that steamer----- love that sound. She is beautiful
UP 844 did save the day!
The fact that 844 is also hauling a passenger train just makes this all the more entertaining to watch.
3985 & 4014 doubleheading diesels up those grades.. I'm waiting for it
i got a credit card ready to max out for this event.
3985 is retired
@@TMCCABE no it is not! It’s waiting for its turn!
@@rudycarlson8245 Actually last I heard, it’s going to static display, as the steam program funds can only support 2 engines
Just part of UP's CAN DO spirit!
The 844 is a badass machine.
It's like asking Grandpa to help out...and he just rolls up his sleeves. "Let's do this!" Then, while you're sweating like a sive, he's just casually doing what he's done for the last 70 years.
844 is AWESOME!
whey to go 844 you still got it girl
Way to go! Reminds me of the line from Terminator Genisys - "Old, but not obsolete."
844: WHAT you expect me push him and pull my train too?
Conductor:yes 844 said the conductor.
I come back to this every once in a while just to marvel at the sight of it. This loco isn’t only replacing the (probably at least 2) broken down diesels on the freight consist, it’s also not even bothered with uncoupling its own load first. Essentially doing the work of 3+ locos by itself. The intensity and loudness of the chuffing even from a long distance away, the power you can see when the wheels slip and then regrip as it pushes through that MASSIVE stalled freight consist, it’s truly incredible. Just trying to imagine the horsepower being produced here by old school 19th century-tech mechanics and boiled water in a firebox is enough to spin your head. These things are still and always have been massively superior to anything that routinely runs the rails these days, nevermind the 4000 series locos that could singlehandedly do the work of 5-7 modern D-E locos. Their only achilles heel was the expertise and man-hours required to maintain the parts and linkages that turn the energy released by that burning coal/oil/wood and captured by the vaporizing water into kinetic rotation of the wheels, compression of air to power the brakes, steam heating for any passenger coaches, deicing heat for the wheels and mechanics below the chassis, and the chuffing draft inducer that forces the smoke and spent steam out the funnel. It was cheaper to maintain more inferior D-Es than fewer superior Steamers.
Actually, 844 is only replacing one of the diesels. Of the three units, only one failed. 844 could never move this much tonnage solo.
Great video. Good to see 844 bark with a heavy load. Just out of curiosity though, I looked up tractive effort on it. 844 has just under 70,000lbs. By comparison, a GE AC4400 has 183,000 starting, and a bit over 165,000 continuous. A big boy has about 135,000. So, if the remaining two diesel lead units couldn't pull it, neither could two big boys. They would still need 844 pushing.
That train could have been pulled by 2 4000 class locomotives, it would have just needed a push by a switcher on the rear (assuming it started on an upgrade, if the yard is level-ish a push would not be required) which would have uncoupled and returned to the yard once moving a good speed. The 4000s would then be able to pull this up the hill at track speed, just do not let it stall.
A single 4000 class locomotive could handle this on flatlands.
From what I understand the N&W J class locomotives got pushed out of the station on a regular basis, but once they were rolling watch out, 100mph here we come.
A GE AC4400 is still has no weight compared 4014 with 600 tons weight, i'm still thinking that Big Boy is more powerful
@@achmadsyifapapahnyareyhan8674 then your wrong. if you spread the weight out over the wheels the axle weight is less than an AC4400. An ac4400 has more power in every measurable way
@@UnionPacificFan Yep, there is no magic involved here, and dynamometer tests don't lie.
844 in pusher service. Very nice!
This event was shown on the old 1990's show trains unlimited!the story is kind of legendary now!!
Anyone else here after 4014 just did this?
With the 4014 Big Boy back hot and alive, I can't wait to see more wonderful events
Steve Lee was the master of UP steam , would have loved to seen him come out of retirement and grab the throttle of big boy just one time 👍🏻 now get you some of that diesel fans !
Who else is thinking to themselves as they watch this; “Go baby GO!”
Goosebumps! Edge of my seat goosebumps! I have been looking for this footage for TEN YEARS! Thank you!!!
Your welcome, glad I put you on the edge of your seat, lol.
Big Boy, 4014 might be the next locomotive 🚂 called in to help one day 🤪🤪
with broken couplers everywhere!!! gotta love it!!
It did
The Father of all Trains!, that's one powerful steamer, you go 844!
Although steam power is not as efficient, practical, safe, economical, or environmentally-friendly as modern diesels and electrics are, it is unrivaled in terms of sheer spectacle. The stack talk, the sounds of the clanking drivers and the wheelslip, it is pure poetry in motion. To see a locomotive of this vintage working as hard as 844 is here is something that does not happen often today, and it harkens back to a time when this kind of thing was common, when the whir of traction motors and the roar of a diesel engine was instead a "chuff-chuff" and a hiss of steam, with a long plume of smoke trailing behind.
Finally, someone who gets it. Knowing the efficiency of diesels and electrics but also acknowledging the awesomeness of steam.
I really adore the whirring, the humming and the roaring of a diesel engine better than a hevaing and a huffing steamie, it jsut sounds more animal like.
Steam will always triumph
this is bloody amazing, and its still pulling its own cargo too.
And pulling her own train, as well. Marvelous!
Once again this proves that steam power, regardless of the high maintenance, still comes to the rescue. Not mentioning her own load she was pulling
Diesels: Help us up the hill! PLEASE! These cars are playing tricks!
UP 844: ~with a Scottish accent~ We'll show them.
OR
Diesels: We can't do it! We can't do it!!
UP 844: ~with a Scottish accent~ Leave it to me!
(points to anyone to gets the references)
Apollo/51NAPA "Go steady, the van is breaking!" XD I used to watch that show all the time! Still do on occasion.
i feel like on of those were from Thomas and friends
Michael Bobb Both mine and Apollo/51NAPA's quoted lines were from an episode of Thomas the Tank Engine, though I don't remember which on.
It was called "break van" or "spiteful break van" something with break van in the title
Apollo/51NAPA ah yes Thomas the tank
Amazing that a Steam locomotive still has life and use. Live steam is one of the most powerful energy forces since Heron's/Hero's steam engine of ancient Greece (circa 336 BC).
With her excusion train behind her...just to rub more salt in that wound lol. Love it
What an awesome show of power and strength by 844! Imwriting from Scotland, UK and I'm a big 844 fan along with the US giants of steam, as are many of my countrymen. Thanks for posting this amazing video which a fantastic tribute to the UP Giants of steam including 844. Best wishes from Ken in Scotland, UK!