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The BROADCASTING CONTROVERSY Between ABC and the New York Mets (1988)
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- Опубліковано 26 тра 2023
- On Memorial Day, 1988, the New York Mets were set to take on the Los Angeles Dodgers on Monday Night Baseball on ABC. However, after a 34-minute rain delay, ABC did the unthinkable, in a move that made no sense considering the circumstances, and in a move that ticked off just about every Mets fan in New York, and the Mets organization themselves.
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From someone in Atlanta. In the rotten last place years the only games that were well attemded involved the Mets or the Dodgers who had a lot of fans who had moved here from those areas. They weren't just in New York.
The Mets have had plenty of fans in South Florida for a long time, too.
Bad scheduling by ABC in the first place. Two teams from the same market scheduled at the same time?
Please do 10 cent beer night or Disco demolition night?
Atrocious Baseball Coverage followed a few years later by Covers Baseball Sporadically
I liked Nifty Baseball Coverage and I wish it was still on there
And is now dealing with the chucklefucks at Extremely Sucky Production Network
0:39 the year 1988 to be precise. Davey Johnson was Mets manager at the time
You have to imagine that WABC (the ABC affiliate in NYC) was killed in the ratings that night. Since Yankee fans who had cable were already watching their team play, and Mets fans probably didn't stay tuned to see the damn Yankees play after they found out the switch was permanent.
ABC should have never had both the Mets and the Yankees on the same night in the first place. Or if they did, both games should have been on locally (TV or cable) and ABC should have been blocked out in New York.
A similar thing happened last year in late August. The Giants and Twins were playing a nationally televised game on Fox, but when the game got delayed by rain in the 7th inning, Fox switched over to another game and when that game ended, Fox never returned to the Giants/Twins game, instead signing off for the night. At least Giants fans were spared the agony of watching their team blow a 2-run lead in the ninth inning, followed by a walk-off loss in the 10th.
The video says the pitching matchup but showed Sid Fernandez warming up, not Ron Darling
Back to back complete game shutouts. 4:00. Never see that happen in MLB again.
It's been almost a year since the last upload on this channel.
There is no such thing as an “absolutely critical” series in May, especially between non-division rivals. An attractive match-up, yes. Critical, no.
I know Mets fans WERE NOT HAPPY AT ALL that ABC did the Mets dirty
Can we expect baseball vids again soon?
The Yankees in first place in 1988?
Now that's rare
It was Memorial Day. The Yankees were usually way up there til at least July 4th.
Yankees in 1988 were in first place as late as July 27
Kevin Maas
This is very similar to what happened in 1999 with CART (now Indycar), ABC & ESPN with the Molson Indy Vancouver. It had been raining heavily for most of the race & as a result there had been multiple cautions for accidents. Because the race was running long due to all of these accidents, ABC decided to cut off the ending so that they could show World News Tonight or the local news in many areas of the country apart from the West Coast giving control of the broadcast to ESPN. However what ESPN did next was instead of airing the race's conclusion on ESPN or ESPN2 they decided to put it on ESPN News a channel that many CART fans would have a hard time finding. This was because ESPN was showing Sunday Night Baseball between the Yankees & Red Sox & ESPN2 had an MLS game between Miami & Tampa. Many CART fans for the majority of the country were screwed out of seeing the race's ending & had to watch the ending on tape delay on RPM Tonight (ESPN's auto racing highlights show) on ESPN2 after MLS concluded a full hour after the race concluded if they did not have ESPN News. For those on the West Coast, they were able to see the conclusion of the race on ABC without any issues. What makes this worse is that ABC did not tell viewers (with the exception of the West Coast) that they were doing this. This is one of the biggest broadcasting controversies right up there with the Indy 500 still being blacked out in the Indianapolis area in auto racing history
Mt guess is that if the Yankees-Red Sox game had been rained out, ESPN would have picked up the IndyCar race.
It was indeed a different time. It's now unimaginable that a game with a New York team would get short shrift like this. ETA Also, the attendance in Oakland was five digits!
The irony is that the other NY team was the backup game.
Even though the rule regarding TV coverage and rain delays was fake, it was a perfect example of obeying the letter of the law, rather than the spirit. Kinda like when you did a video on your football channel about a Jaguars fan getting arrested over 3 cents.
WWOR-TV (channel 9) should’ve carried the Mets/Dodgers game after the rain delay while WABC-TV (channel 7) ran Yankees/Athletics game out west.
Being a longtime Yankees fan, WABC-TV went with it and ran the Yankees game instead of the Mets.
I remember when WPIX-TV (channel 11) had the rights to the Yankees for so many years, and WWOR-TV (channel 9) had the rights to the Mets for many years, it got either going into a rain delay, cancelled the game halfway through while it was raining, or postponed due to bad weather. Instead, they might cut right into a rerun of a TV show, or a movie which were left in progress.
Or old team highlight films.
That's how I remember it also. You could, however, spend your whole day waiting for the rain to end and the game to come back.
Given how that rain delay in Queens played out, that's not how you justify the Mets being flexible in its first pitch time. I know that the Mets didn't give up its matinee for ABC to screw their fans over like this.
This Channel didn't last long, is it necessary to make an NFL video EVERY DAY?
Is it possible that you make a video on the MASN Brodcaster Kevin Brown Suspension Controversy that took place late July-early August?
This mistake is one of the reasons that ABC lost the rights to broadcast MLB Baseball after the 1989 season. ABC had to wait thru 1994 to get back in the Baseball Business when they did The Baseball Network with NBC for the 94-95 seasons.
The Mets were oversaturated on both ABC Monday Night games & NBC GOTW Saturdays in this era. I get it, huge market & The Mets were actually a very good team from 1984-90
Last game Billy Martin ever got thrown out of.
Rest in peace Billy.
FOX did something similar a year or 2 ago. Giants @ Nats went into a rain delay around the 8th inning tied and switched to another game. That game ended as the tarp was coming off at Nationals Park. FOX never mentioned this. In fact, the postgame signed off. Come to find out, the rest of game was on the FOX Sports app but the postgame crew couldn't be bothered to tell anyone and people on twitter found it by dumb luck.
Yeah, my FOX affiliate aired the Nats game and then when it rained they switched to the Red Sox game, but never returned to the Nats. I don't know if WTTG (the FOX station in Washington) returned to the game or not.
The way it really is with the networks is if the game gets disrupted because of weather or something like that, it will always go to another game and RARELY go back because of the viewing audiences that are just tuning in to the second game. That’s how they will always be, no matter how much backlash the network gets
I was wondering if you can do a video on Derek Bell and Operation Shutdown?
One of the best Monday night baseball games ever on ABC was in June of 1984, with the Toronto Bluejays at the Detroit Tigers. This is the year the Tigers were in first place all season and the only other team that was even remotely close was Toronto and in those days the were in the same division The AL East, and also Canada was a 5 minute drive from Tiger Stadium and from outside of the stadium you could see the Ambassador Bridge that connects Detroit and Windsor Ontario. So when the Bluejays came to town a lot of Canadians crossed the boarder to cheer on their Bluejays. It was a lot of fun and the Bluejays fans were very classy too. So that night at Tiger Stadium there was a huge crowd of 40,000 on a Monday night and it was special. I forget what the score was but in the bottom of the 9th it was a tie game and there was 2 out and Dave Bergman came up to bat for the Tigers. This started off with 22 pitches and with a 3/2 count on Bergman he had to swing at anything close so he wouldn't be watching strike 3 go by. On the 13th pitch Bergman hits a walkoff homer to the rightfield overhang in the upper deck. A 13 pitch at bat was incredible to watch to end the game like that on national TV vs one of our rivals was a pretty special night for this 12 year old kid at the time.
I'm sorry for the misprint it's not 22 pitches but it was 12 pitches my thumb hit the wrong number
I could imagine at the time, Al Michaels who called the Dodgers/Mets game for ABC was not happy.
@JaguarGator7 I remember hearing about this years and even as a dodgers fan I thought this was really a bizarre twist that ABC did that just to be in my opinion stupid
Home plate umpire wearing a coat in Oakland and base umpires wearing sweaters. Umpires should go back to wearing them, along with the short sleeve powder blue dress shirts.
Monday Night Baseball was an institution much like Monday Night Football back in the days
Bread-and-butter is the fans
New York messed us over again by trading away pitchers who we would want to see pitching for our team.
I do not care about the world series 2026 I care about decent baseball now.
This happened with fox Saturday baseball with a white sox As game. Rain delay hit, switched another game, game ended and fox signed off, the Sox game resumed and no one saw the rest of the game
@JaguarGator7
1. From what I've read, ABC had very few games overall to choose for Monday Night Baseball because well; Monday is a travel day for most MLB teams.
2. I had known that ABC would have a backup game to air in the markets that were playing in the featured game (i.e. if a MNB game was Red Sox/Orioles and the backup game was Yankees/Angels; the Boston & Baltimore markets would get that game while the rest of the country got the featured game).
3. You mentioned how ABC switched here to the backup game because of a rain delay. What if there was a situation where BOTH the main and backup MNB telecasts were in simultaneous rain delays?
4. That really hurts. The Mets voluntarily gave up a Holiday matinee game for a MNB slot and this was the result!
As for the NLCS that year, well ... game 2 was notable because of two factors (the second one is the most notable :
1. David Cone (who started that game) did an interview with the New York Daily News where he had this to say about Dodgers closer Jay Howell: "We saw Howell throwing curveball after curveball and we were thinking: This is the Dodgers' idea of a stopper? Our idea is Randy (Myers), a guy who can blow you away with his heat. Seeing Howell and his curveball reminded us of a high school pitcher."
2. The first pitch of the game was at 10pm Eastern time because it was the same night as the Dan Quayle/Lloyd Bentsen VP debate.
In hindsight with that, ABC could have done an early/late afternoon LCS doubleheader (the Red Sox/A's ALCS game 1 started coverage at 1pm Eastern in Boston) with the Dodgers/Mets in L.A. at 4pm Eastern.
@Jason Maier
That early Afternoon doubleheader does sound like a great idea ABC could've done on Memorial Day.
But even on a holiday, ABC soap opera fans (AMC, OLTL and GH) would've been super pissed if anything outside the President giving a speech would interrupt their soaps.
@@tubesocksbrigade3031 didn’t those LCS games start at 1 ET anyway?
@@nelroy78 true. That would be acceptable to the soap fans. Regular season games prempting their soaps is something else
@@nelroy78 By the late 80s, daytime postseason games were usually at 3 ET on ABC regardless of what day it was. NBC would also start at 3, unless it was a Sunday, when the game followed the NFL at 4.
@@brianoneill7186 touché but it still preempted General Hospital which came on at 3 ET at that time
this channel done?
In this scenario where both NY teams were picked for Monday Night Baseball, which game would ABC's NY station show?
They did that sort of thing to Chicago as well. There was couple of occasions that the Cubs and White Sox were on ABC's Monday Night Baseball. One time the Sox got seen, another time the Cubs were seen. Seem that WLS-TV (The ABC affiliate in Chicago) flipped a coin to come to which game they could show
It happened when WABC-TV (channel 7) ran “Monday Night Baseball” and halfway into the Mets game, it went to a rain delay and switched to a Yankees game, because the Yankees were way better than the Mets. After a rain delay, WABC-TV at the time decided not to go back to the Mets, so the Yankees should stuck with it and they’re a better team. So WWOR-TV (channel 9) was planned to aired the rest of the game after the rain delay, but they can’t. So they decided to run a movie instead of the Mets.
@@Musicradio77Network Movie. 😀😀😀😀😀
That's the same Dave Henderson homering at the end whose only home run of the year in 86 was against Donnie Moore in the playoffs.
Better off listening to Bob Murphy, RIP, on the radio ❤😂🤘🤘🤘🍺
Oh yeah wfan a year before Mike and the maddog
Two Week later ABC aired
Cardinals Mets
Yankees Red Sox
Both at 8pm
How could the Yankees - Athletics game be on Monday Night Baseball if it was in Oakland? The game would have had to start at 5:00PM Pacific Time for the game to be on ABC. 5:00PM is rush hour traffic on the west coast.
It did start at 5 pm Pacific. The game time was moved up so ABC could show it in prime time Eastern. Networks do it all the time.
@@raymondluxuryacht86 This was Memorial Day. Most people were off work that day to begin with.
Now MLB considers 6pm games night games. I miss 8pm start times. In Detroit it don't get dark until 10pm during most of summer.
@@mrg8581 The 6 pm first pitches are done mostly in the early part of the season and the last few weeks in September. This is done to take advantage of employees who just got off of work and school-aged children who can't stay up too late at night.
@@drewzuhosky6826 And I'm sure a lot of school districts insist on the 6:00 and 6:30 PM local time starts.
I'm surprised the NBA and NHL don't start games at 6:00 or 6:30 local time on weeknights (unless it's a national TV game).
MLB was stupid to downgrade to just one over the air network starting in 1990 (and eliminate a prime time regular season series). This lack of exposure hurt them.
"Any Yankee fan could watch the game on Sportschannel" Sorry, back in 1988 cable TV wasn't to popular in NY
SportsChannel was a king's ransom back then, too.
On the other side, the Yankees game was an extra inning 3-2 game. Meaning it had to be a close game throughout. And it was between two top teams. So that game also mattered. I don't know if the Mets game was equally competitive, but I can understand abcs reasoning for sticking with that game. Not saying I agree it was the right move, but I do understand it. And also technically they were telling the truth that they can switch games after a 30 minute delay, because they can switch the games at any time, they have rights to both games. If the game was delayed 1 minute for a squirrel running on the field, they technically can. Now I don't think they had real time ratings back then, but if they did, they may have noticed an uptick in the ratings. Regardless, it would be nice to know how the ratings ended up being before and after the switch.
It's probably not only a Mets issue. I'm told Los Angeles is a fairly large city and the Dodgers also have fans. And seeing that the Dodgers (somehow) ended up winning the World Series that year, I think their fans might have wished to see their team, as well.
The "gotten involved in the other game" excuse is particularly stupid for NY and the Mets/Yankees divide, though. As if any Mets fans "got involved with" the f*cking Yankees during the delay. They'd be likelier to get involved with grouting their tile or doing laundry. I mean, DH-ball isn't even real baseball.
They could had at least kept the Mets game on the Los Angeles and New York markets after the rain delay.
Yes jets yesterday Mets today love it
Can’t control the weather unfortunately..unless you have a dome.
Weather modification, Chemtrails and Geoengineering.
Yankees were WPIX 11
Mets we’re CHANNEL 9
Braves we’re TBS
Oh, Good Times
North Jersey across from NYC
Own Home, Basement Bar
Oh, Very Good Times 😂
Sports-Channel was Expensive then
7:39 All of it happened during the up-and-coming SportsChannel Associates era, and five years before the formation of Prime SportsChannel Networks
8:12 ---8:17 the best radio station in New York
8:31///////8:43 very interesting. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 I didn't know that
8:58 Shoutout to New York's hometown paper.
10:51 I didn't know about the 30 minute rule until now. Which is why local Yankees games broadcasting on Nexstar's WPIX-TV New York(Then owned by Tribune) was canceled due to rain
12:16/////////13:11🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 very very very very very very very interesting
14:09 Conclusion
Games on memorial day 4th of july and labor day should be day games
@jaguargator7 - I'm a big fan of all three of your channels! Any chance you could do a video on The Baseball Network?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baseball_Network