Facts. Chloe and Halle are extremely talented. Can play instruments, sing, dance, and act, yet her music is heavily autotune, twerking and overlysexuallizing herself for no reason. That was never the reason ChloexHalle fan liked them. They brought something new and edgy. It seems like Halle is the cold to her heat. Halle already said she always had a plan for her personal life, which is why we see her music reflect better. Chloe is still figuring it out, but I wish she knew she dont have to do all the extra when she IS enough.
@@DorothyZbornak4 Thanks for watching / for your perspective! I think Halle is more settled into who she is as a person / more self aware, which is why her solo music is doing better (in my opinion). There aren’t as many changes or gimmicks with Halle. She has her own issues (re: DDG and the pregnancy being hidden), but she seems more comfortable where she is at. Point is - they need each other to balance each other out. I agree.
Yeah I agree with you! She needs a rebrand! I view Chloe as a girl next door alternative pop alternative jazz girl. She should lean into that. I don’t really like the whole baddie aesthetic she got currently, it’s not original and she not marketing herself as an artist, she is marketing herself as an only fans model. I hope Chloe gets better management and a good image consultant.
Exactly! Her brand is all over the place. Too much talent is going to waste with indecision when it comes to image and sound plus a lack of brand direction. She’s going to get it right one day….
Chloe should have gradually transition into being a sex kitten. The living legend Janet Jackson had the best transition. Janet gradually transition into being more sexual in her music and persona. "Love Will Never Do" was her introduction as a sex symbol. It wasn't too much. It was still tasteful. In the video, she had on a midriff and mom jeans. Janet also ended the Rhythm Nation album with the song "Someday Is Tonight" which was sensual and sexy. "Someday Is Tonight" was a sequel to "Let's Wait Awhile". On "Let's Wait Awhile", she was telling the guy to wait to be intimate, and on "Someday Is Tonight," she was telling him that she was ready. It was brilliant. The album after Rhythm Nation was the Janet album where she jumped fully in. With each album after that, she continued to take it up a notch. Chloe's transition should have been more like Janet's
Chloe and Halle don't really have R&B voices. Their voices are very operatic. I agree with you when you say Chloe is trying to please the wrong crowd. The reason why her music with Halle hit because it was different. It didn't sound like what was already out there.
That's an interesting point. They have excellent voices, and they are generational talents. It's all about finding the right producers and sound for them. They had it with their ChloexHalle music. Yes, the mainstream / Shaderoom crowd did not support, but their music needed time to grow on us. It's like when a business releases a product and that product takes time to be accepted by the mainstream. Sometimes the market has to catch up. They needed to stay true to their sound and let the market catch up in my opinion....Thank you for watching!
@@Surayyaverse yes,this is a good point. even if ungodly hour wasn't a super big hit, it still helped them stand out. i feel like if they stuck together as a duo, more people would become interested in what they're doing, especially since they're so critically acclaimed. i miss their more alternative r&b side
Exactly. Her "good girl gone bad" rebrand was too brutal and too "mediocre". She burned bridges with her og fans but didnt meet any new ones. She is stuck in limbo. She lacks hits, she lacks a coherent visual identity and she lacks an "edge".
Chloe is a prime example of having all the talent and resources to become a mega star but she has zero artistic direction, a forced over-sexual brand that does not align with her real life persona, and cringy internet antics that have turned people off from her. I personally thought her 2nd album was definitely an improvement from her previous debut album which was pretty lackluster and lyrically juvenile but Trouble in paradise had no promotion or even any rollout. It was set up to fail from the start especially since she picked pretty bad lead singles with FYS And Boy bye.
Oooh! Yes - there was no rollout. Forgot to discuss that in this video. Please subscribe to stay updated for the deep dive I'm dropping on Beyonce's business ventures (Parkwood Included). I think Parkwood sucks at promo and spends all their promotional budget on Beyonce's projects. But true to all that you said...I agree. FYS and Boy Bye were not my favorites on the album - bad lead single choices 😛.
Chloe wrote Halle 's verse on "Want Me"... Btw. The song was already made (just with Chloe) then her godmother suggested that Halle be put on it because it sounded like a Chloe x Halle song
Thank you for the clarification! Well Halle definitely brought her special sauce to her verse - it was a standout to me. The sisters need each other to go far in this industry....
@@Surayyaverse you're welcome! I'm glad they will give us more projects together. But I also really appreciate both of them as solo artists too. The industry was still overlooking them when they were together 😬 well IDK if I should say the industry or the masses.
@@ravenayele3250This! Both! People didn’t start paying attention until Ungodly Hour. It’s not CXH fault that the masses caught up when they pursued solo endeavors.
Yes! Her nerdy side is top tier in my opinion 💯 - amazing at understanding the technicalities of music, bubbly and quirky. She needs to live in that energy! A lot of us can relate to the “awkwardness.” I swear you all are reading my mind because I discuss that in the next video … stay tuned!
Firstly, I think she shouldn't have seperated from her sister. They seperated too soon. She needed to stay in the group for as long as she could. She needed to play her cards like Bey. Bey made a couple of albums with DC before she went solo. She made a wrong move. She just wasn't ready to go solo. Secondly, I don't know but I think Chloe and Normani are trying to be the next Bey instead of being themselves. The whole "next Beyonce" thing is doing more harm than good for their careers. Ri is an icon because she was too different from Bey. She wasn't interested in being the next Bey. She wanted to do her and now she's a billionaire Thirdly, apart from their issues with their recording labels, Chloe and Normani shouldn't have collaborated with Chris Brown. A collab with Chris when you're trying to establish a career is not a good idea. Artists who can collaborate with Chris are people who have been in the game for long Lastly, I agree with u, she's doing too much all at once. The whole sexual image is too much and cringey. She needed to gradually expose that side of her instead of showing us everything all at once. She has made wrong moves but she still has a chance to find herself and have a career. I'm just not sure if she'll have a successful career. There are too many RnB girlies who are doing better than her at the moment
@@NompiloKhumalo-jm7sm Thanks for watching! I am dropping a Part II to this (inspired by the comments) where I will discuss their (both Chloe and Halle’s) management, strategy, etc. I think she has done some things to her career that are tough to move past - I have faith in her though. Please subscribe to be notified as to when that video will drop. Thank you for this insightful comment ❤️🙌🏾
Yes lol it's the artist being sensitive about her shit - I understand it, I'm the same way. However, when you put your music out there, it will be consumed, critiqued, all of it. Thanks for commenting!
I feel her fanbase has two subsets currently. Those who love r&b, and those who love alternative/pop etc… Her flop is simply from trying to manage two - target audiences, who have two - different consumer needs, instead of catering to one! There’s definitely a rebrand, and decision that needs to be made considering the proper direction, for not only her music, but her as an artist. Only then, will we begin to see a shift within her career. I feel she’s trying desperately to please both subgroups. However, if you feed one, the other starves. I hope she can rebrand, and decide on ONE conclusively, to truly build her brand and fanbase! I’m strongly hoping it’ll be alternative, as she has already dappled within this genre with “Boy-Bye.”, “Have Mercy”, and “Treat Me.”
Whew - this is a fire 🔥 comment and insight. Yes, there is a double mindedness that she has. It goes back to what I spoke about in the video “ratchet” vs. “relatability.” Does she want the Shaderoom crowd or the loyal fans from her ChloexHalle days? I feel exactly the same way! Thank you for watching. Stay tuned for a Part II and Part III focused on Halle and Chloe’s management / label, Parkwood.
The duo never should have broken up, no one wanted solo stuff from them. They needed to have done 2-3 more albums together and then go solo older if that’s what they wanted. They need to just stick together now because their music together is perfect.
Thanks for commenting! Agree! The solo music happened too soon. Beyonce had a whole DC3 launchpad before a solo career. However, Halle's independent project with The Little Mermaid is what I believe made them go solo before they were ready. All in all, we need another album from the sisters together.
Another one (sorry, I'm a big chloe fan and I got lots of thoughts on her music, image, etc and no one to share it with 😅): I think what confuses ppl is not only the juxtaposition of sexy grown-up chloe (insta, videos) and cute and classy relatable chloe (interviews), but also the contrast of the two most prominent themes (imo) of her songs: "sexy bad bitch who likes to f***" vs "please love me, dont leave me, im so heartbroken". Like, "have mercy" and "treat me" were sort of leading to the whole baddie narrative and ppl thought that's what the first album was going to be, but then they seem to have completely pivoted on that and presented a very different image - vulnerable and heartbroken chloe (in pieces album). Nothing wrong with that but the change simply was too sudden. And then back to bad bitch with raunchy lyrics (fys, same lingerie, nice girls...), and then to emo love craving girl again (Somebody, want me, all I got). A person can be both but for an artist to be both - it's not really computing in most ppl heads, we expect an artist to take a certain lane and communicate a clear message, I guess? Its like waiting for cardi b was to release a ballade about heartbreak or a quirky pop song about hating an office job.
No - share as much as you want - this channel is a community space! Can I propose that these are two sides of herself that are at war - one side being internal authenticity and the other side internalized desires and norms of the industry? Like what the "industry says an R&B girl needs to be" vs. who Chloe really is? She seems to be dealing with a lot of identity incongruence. I'm not a psychologist at all (don't quote me on this one) lol, but Chloe is battling between the expectations that the women in her genre fall into vs. her own authenticity. The blurring of R&B and rap has created the pressure for R&B singers (even Black pop singers) to become over-sexualized. I even see SZA becoming raunchier. She's young, in the public eye, and dealing with finding herself in front of the world. I think that's what's causing it. What do you think? Continue to share - your comments are awesome!
I feel that she should get songwriters that connect to her on a deeper level,collaborate with top producers and build her fanbase,i feel that with a good team,good marketing and a good vision,she would be as big as other artists
@@OoreoluwaOsungbadegun-md4ih Agree! I think she needs songwriters who understand who she truly is or to collaborate more with Halle, even on her solo songs. I think that Halle might be the “writer” of the two lowkey. Thanks for watching!
I've also considered that maybe Halle is a little stronger with the writing of lyrics. It kind of makes sense when considering their favorite subjects; I remember at some point seeing a video where Halle shared her favorite subject was English whereas Chloe's was math. Which also goes into Chloe being strong with making beats since in essence there's a certain element of mathematics that goes into that@@Surayyaverse
@@ravenayele3250 Yes - I think Halle is stronger with the lyric writing honestly...that is why her songs have more meaning and depth, and seem authentic to her, like Angel. I think Halle should co-write Chloe's songs. That might be what is missing. She knows Chloe the best and knows how to bring out the best in her (and vice versa).
@@ravenayele3250 that makes sense. they're the perfect partnership because halle could handle the lyrics and storytelling while chloe is really good at song production and melodies. i think it's ok for chloe to work with halle and other songwriters on her albums, and it can actually improve her art to collaborate with others. elton john never wrote his own lyrics but he's still considered a legend for his songwriting
@@bastetowl3258 Agree! Halle might be the missing link when it comes to songwriting. I know Halle works with Raye, I’m thinking Vic Monét would be good for Chloe as a co-writer…wonder if she’d be up to it. Or even Keri Hilson…..
I don’t think Chloe is necessarily cosplaying, but I think there are too many cooks in the kitchen. The reason their music was so unique is because they collaborated on writing, brought their influences together, and Chloe was heavily solo producing or her production took priority. As a solo artist, she is right to try to figure out her sound outside of the group because the group is only a part of her, not fully who Chloe is. She’s always been a lover of unique alt sounds and music, but she’s also heavily a pop lover. It’s unfortunate that she was high key bullied out of that direction because I do think her trap pop songs are her most unique songs and genuinely her - but it sounds as if she holds herself back vocally and that someone is instructing her to capture the R&B audience. As for this current album, she sounds phenomenal and I hear more of her! Honestly, I love both albums but I agree that lyrics can have more methaphor/ innuendos and cover more of a range of topics while still being tongue in cheek. The thing that will help her, and is not connecting, is her visual branding and to be free to produce for herself. Once she locks those down I think we’ll see a shift because all the other pieces are there.
@@miszkk Hmm…you might have a point! I love all these insights. In the video, I questioned if Chloe was the one doing the production for ChloexHalle, and if she was, she is very talented! She has the recipe in Halle, their synergy, and her voice. I do think there are other forces at work as well, steering her into R&B because she is Black (a lot of artists have spoken about this). Whew, this is a lot to take in but excellent breakdown 🔥🔥👏🏾. Thank you for commenting 🙌🏾!
@@Surayyaverse Thank you for reading! I highly recommend listening to their projects that came before Ungodly Hour, if you haven't. Definitely their mixtape, The Two of Us, and The Kids are Alright where Chloe was their engineer and for 90% of their songs the main producer. I want to say she produced most of their early music in her living room and garage. Like, she's insanely talented. They both are, just differently.
She just needs a two-three year break so she can rebrand successfully. I don’t agree with her needing producers cause she can produce on her own. She produced majority of the groups albums that yall love. The issue is the songwriting and image and subject matter. I think if she rebranded into an edgier image like Madonna and lady Gaga which we saw glimpses of (go back on her ig and her fashion choices in the beginning) she would go far. I also say she’s not siooosed to be in rnb and is supposed to be in alt/indie pop
Hi! Thanks for sharing! Yes - a lot of people are saying she shouldn't be in R&B - that's an interesting take I never considered. That might be what is causing the disconnect and why the fans aren't resonating. Does the music she's singing fit her voice and personality? That's some food for thought. Thanks for commenting✨
yes i agree. if she did something alternative and genre bending like janelle monae, it would be amazing. i also enjoy her production even on her latest album. i just want to see different sides to her besides just sex and toxic relationships
Chloe needs to find a specific producer that can help her make hits like Aaliyah had with Timbaland. She also needs to tone it down with the sexy image and maybe make her love life a little more public since she’s always singing about toxic men. It’s kind of hard to relate her lyrics to her real life since she’s not public with it. But the main issue is Columbia Records not giving her radio play or promo. She has several songs that could have landed the billboard charts but they don’t push it to radio stations 🤷🏽♀️
@@jujubee6030 Thanks for this point! Summer Walker is a good example of the power a public relationship can have when it comes to your career - I felt “4th Baby Mama” with my chest because we watched her go through it with London on the track. I agree on finding a specific producer. Who do you have in mind? I’d love to hear your perspective on which producer might be good for her. Thanks for sharing?
@@Surayyaverse Maybe Scott Storch or Pluss. These are producers who worked with the girls in the past. Maybe even Kaytranada where she can do r&b house music since she has a powerful voice. 🤷🏽♀️
@@jujubee6030 Ooh! Love the Kaytranada idea! He’s a beast. I also think Leon Thomas (The Rascals) would be great for her. I know he’s worked with Ariana Grande and SZA, and I think she needs a pop / house / alt R&B hit to get that one breakthrough song.
@@Abestine0 Thanks for this comment! I agree, both sisters need each other. They have the recipe, just need to mix the right ingredients together. They have everything they need in each other.
Unpopular opinion: maybe im judging by my own experience, but to me its feels like she taps into her sex life, her body and her sexuality themes so much cause she's very young and dating and sex are probably still very exciting and new to her? I mean, it's exciting for her and she feels that its going to be exciting for her audience as well... I LOVE choe and halle, both together and separately, but i find it hard to relate to Chloe's more recent songs as i personally am past the age where young people are obsessed with sexuality 😅 Everyone has a body and most people have sex 😂 there's nothing unique and not much interesting about it... Again, i love chloe and i think she's long lasting. Its not than ppl think she cant be sexy. Its about ones personality and artistic expressions being separate things.
@@allavi9613 Wow you’re literally reading my mind. My next video is about this. I think growing up in the industry, they were simultaneously sheltered (homeschooled) and over exposed (the industry is crazy). I think she is young, but at 26, the rampant sex-crazed talk usually ceases. The last time I remember people talking heavily about sex was when I was in high school 🫠. After a certain age, it’s no longer a biggie. But you are right - it is a reflection of her experience and where she is at mentally and in her journey. Very insightful point. Thank you for watching!
I am so excited to see what she does for her next album. She said that she wanted her next album to be 100% her. Lyrics, production, and everything aswell!!
@@kc_undercover4549 Thanks for watching and commenting! I am excited as well. I hope to continue to follow her career. She will go up from here, I have faith in her.
i'm so glad there's another TMI stan!! i've also been rocking with them since Radio Disney's Next Big Thing! (also fun fact: when i saw Chloe on tour, i told her that was my introduction to them and then we started singing it together! it was one my favorite moments ever)
I felt Trouble In Paradise was very authentic to her. Y'all are dragging it. Like get over it. This is about sex being taboo & people not liking raw r&b & wanting a more digestible alternative music from black women that isn't overtly "BLACK". The code words are "doing too much" & "alternative music" & "experimental" & "quirky" & "ghetto" & "cosplaying" as if overtly black art is just a character anyone can put on for entertainment. Like What is ghetto about Chloe's music? That she talks about sex? Lmao, I'll wait. If you don't like certain traditionally black genres of music, then say that & move on. She is catching stray bullets being an example of someone going from someone more palatable & alternative to overtly "black af". Chloe is killing the game. She's not trying to prove she isn't Halle.? Please. If anything, Halle has yet to evolve her sound & mature in her own way and her own right like her older sister has. Look in the mirror, people. She doesn't need to do the inner work, thats yall. Yall are doing the utmost telling other people what they need to be doing & telling them what's "authentic" to them. This is not tea 😂 Yall want it to be tea so bad. Criticizing her imperfect branding? Not using her full vocal ability? Talking about sex? 😂 Yall are funny Its simple: yall want her to change so you can be more comfortable. End of story.
@@sageaand Thank you for watching and commenting! I see the value in your perspective, and I thank you for sharing your thoughts in such a passionate manner. We can disagree on this channel - and I love when we disagree 💁🏽♀️! These viewpoints outside my own help me to learn and evolve my thinking on this topic. We’re all fans here, and we have different preferences, and it’s okay. Thanks for sharing - this gave me a lot of food for thought and a different perspective.
I felt every word. The same people calling Chloe hypersexual are the same ones that listen to Meg or any ole song with sexual lyrics and won't say a word because 'it sounds good' Chloe gets unnecessary hate and I'm not even trying to argue or understand it anymore. She sings better than most of the r&b girlies in the game today anyway
Love, love, love this breakdown so so so much :D🫶🏽! Really your analysis of about Chloe is what I was thinking, but didn’t know how to express it ✨. But I love her work so much and i can’t wait to see her grow and grow more 🥹🫶🏽✨🎶🎵🎧!
@@cameronf.680 Thank you ❤️ - aww comments like this are just so heart warming 🥰 - I’m actually in the process of editing my second drop / Part II to this right now. This video is about both sisters. Hope you subscribe and stay tuned!
@@laylabaxter5157 Thanks for commenting! Hmm… never considered that she might not even truly like her own songs - hence why the connection to the music isn’t there.
I tried listening to her album, I really did but it didn't sound like there was soul in it. And it's unfortunate because that's what drew me to Chloexhalle in the first place, there was so much love you could feel it in the music. This project felt detached and I couldn't get into it.
@@jononoka1194 Thanks for watching and commenting! Yes - people are talking about the lack of soul - something was missing. I loved the sounds (sonically) but the lyrics I didn’t connect with. Hmm… we’ll have to keep delving into her story to figure out why.
I just don't think she has the IT factor. She's talented and beautiful but not interesting. her music is not relatable and her personality and brand is not cohesive and believable. Her and her sister don't have sex appeal. She actually uses her social media a lot and frequently performs at award shows so marketing and promotion is pretty decent. The budget increases when interest and demand increases. Unfortunately she can't deliver. Maybe she'll get a hit in the future but she's not the type to be consistent to solidify her relevancy. Acting is her best chance.
Hmm...very interesting take. I like your thinking! Personally, I think she has the "IT" factor but the sexpot route is not the right direction. Many white artists succeed without sex appeal, think Billie Eilish, Taylor Swift, etc. Why can't she? I think it's the marketing and the packaging and the forced sexiness that is her problem. She needs to play into her ingenue demeanor, not hide it. Ariana Grande does this well. She isn't overtly sexy but it works for her. I'm making a video on this as well (coming soon). Why do Black female artists need sex appeal? Love your comment and insight. Thanks for sharing!
Tbh, I didn’t really like Ungodly Hour that much either. The Kids Are Alright was a genre bending masterpiece and I just want them (either and both!) to go back to that type of music again.
Redemption is a hit but just needs to be extended and kept simple and sweet. I think some of her songs have potential to be hits but just restructured and less cursing too. It’s like I hear something in the song that I like but then she goes another direction lyrically or melody wise that I hear differently
Chloe label Columbia records l is holding her back .even with the demand for her second album they are not promoting it like she's moving like a independent artist. We need to stop blaming her and blame the label because they not pushing her.
That's another valid perspective! I'm going to make another video on Beyonce's business ventures, Parkwood included. This album was released with almost zero promo, not sure what was up with that. It will take more than one video to explain that situation, but that Parkwood vid is coming. This one just focused on her artistry and the things she has more direct control over.
she's doing a few interviews now but still no live performances and there was no actual lead up to the album. i don't know what's going on with parkwood
Talent doesn’t mean much these days you need to be able to inhabit a vibe that’s trending. If the algorithm blesses you it gives you a season of success then it’s done. The days of a sonic genius like Stevie Wonder or a vocal giant like Whitney is over.
@@sawgerrera5754 Thanks for commenting! You are right - talent is meaningless to a certain group of music consumers - trendy music is in, and people like a certain subset of R&B with explosive lyrics and the real life drama to back it up. I always ask myself if the “greats” would be able to make it in a TikTok music culture. Thanks for the insight!
@@Surayyaverse I think maybe a lot of the greats would make it in the TikTok world. I can Imagine Little Richard’s shady humour making him TikTok famous. Michael Jackson in his prime could stand still and make people faint. Everything he done was fascinating to watch he would be perfect in the social media age. Quirky personalities like those would have lit TikTok ablaze but it would probably wouldn’t have done much for their careers in the sense of sales or the progression of their Art. Makes me wonder how many great Artists we’re missing out on simply because the industry doesn’t have the ability to provide a space for them
i feel like she's super talented but writing may not be her biggest strength. definitely not at the same level of her performance or production. i wish she'd focus on improving this or cultivating better taste because the writers she collaborates with don't elevate her lyrically
Thanks for commenting! I think she is a solid writer, but might not be good at writing for herself. She needs Victoria Monet or even Keri Hilson to write for her (in my opinion). She needs either the Ariana writing squad (Victoria Monet / Tayla Parx) or another prolific songwriter who is genre bending in their music.
@@mariarodgers5387 Thank you for watching and commenting! I’ll listen to those again and give my take in another video - maybe an album comparison? Hmm…I got some ideas.
Halle told her co star years ago she wanted Chloe to go solo they both have different goals with Halle filming movie Chloe went off but the hype got to her head with have mercy she became cringe to the public her song with Halle flopped and Halle solo song did very well on digital song sales chart also Halle is in relationship and have a family of her own which makes her life more interesting so it would match her muisc no one knows what Chloe does outside of work really her songs are lackluster cause she don’t have nothing going in her life to write about so peopke can’t connect Halle as always been her but people put Halle on this pedestal cause little mermaid when she was never innocent we all watched grownish Chloe needs writers Halle had Raye who is writer from Beyonce writing camp to help her write her songs Chloe has the resources but she is stubborn instead she use it
Thanks for commenting! Hmm..I love your insight! This comment gave me a lot to think about honestly. I agree that Chloe needs writers, and the love songs are a bit awkward from her considering we've never seen her in a public relationship. If she is private, then I respect it. I think she might be trying to pull a Normani where their private lives are private and the music is out there, but people do like to see glimpses of these artists lives to better connect with their songs.
La plupart des commentaires disent « Chlöe doit trouver un song writer » mais les gens, vous n’avez jamais écrit une chanson de votre vie mais vous critiquez. Le dernier album de Chlöe Trouble in paradise est un 10/10. Quand il s’agit de Chlöe vous avez toujours des choses à dire de négatif. Cette fille ne fume pas, ne boit pas, mène une vie rangée. Elle produit elle même ses sons, ne fait pas de problèmes mais vous la critiquez tout le temps. Y’a des gens qui ne prennent même pas le temps d’écouter son dernier album et la critiquent. Ou quand ils écoutent ils vont chercher ce qui ne va pas. Ce n’est pas juste
Merci d'avoir regardé ! J'apprécie ce commentaire. Oui, Chloé est une personne extraordinaire. Elle a un caractère et une moralité incroyables. Nous voulons juste qu’elle le montre dans sa musique. C'est de l'amour, juste quelques commentaires sur ce qu'elle peut faire de mieux. Elle est déjà incroyable, nous avons juste besoin que la musique reflète cela. En fait, nous voulons qu'elle soit plus authentique, nous l'aimons déjà ! Cependant, nous n'aimons pas et ne savons pas qui elle prétend être. Merci encore! In English: Thank you for watching! I appreciate this comment. Yes, Chloe is an amazing person. She has amazing character and morals. We just want her to show that in her music. It's all love, just some commentary on what she can do better. She is already amazing, we just need the music to reflect that. We actually want her to be more authentic, we like the real her already! We don't like or know who she pretends to be though. Thanks again!
Thanks for commenting! I actually thought this the other day - I loved her singing in Praise This. She would be a BEAST in gospel honestly. I'm making a video on Tori Kelly and Jordin Sparks (coming soon) and whether they should go gospel. Hmm....might add Chloe to the mix.
@@theguythatshotdraketheguyt53 Hey! Would love to - but I need some recs 👀 who do you have in mind? Give me some names and I’ll put it on my video “to do” list!
Have you actually listened to Trouble In Paradise? Chlöe sang down on the album. To me she showcased vocals that she never showcased in the duo. It's sad how some are so envious of Chlöe that they refuse to acknowledge when she's eating. Chlöe's such a rare talent! Talent for talent no new artist is touching her, especially not her Lil sis
Thanks for sharing! I agree - Chloe is a generational talent. Yes, I also agree that many of the comments towards her are unnecessary and envious. I'm a fan as well - and enjoyed both albums! This was just my commentary on some of the things I see that she might be able to consider moving forward. It's all good fun - nothing serious. Just some social commentary / food for thought.....
I had no problems with her singing on the album, but none of the songs jumped out at me as anything exciting. They're songs I could put on and let play, but wouldn't really be noticing which one was playing while I did other things.
@@perfectallycromulent Good point! That's why I said they might have been throwaway tracks from other artists - sonically her voice sounds great, but the songs don't connect with the listeners. Except the song she did with Halle and a couple other standouts..
The problem is not Chlöe music or her brand but we the audience who has refuse to grow up and accept that Chlöe is 26 not the baby they grew up with. People will definitely catch up with Chlöe. Solo Chlöe is different from Chloe×Halle... We refuse to accept that and thats the problem. She is not fake or appear forced.. so far Chlöe is doing well and she will break out in due time. Chlöe is doing way better than Halle even with all the little mermaid influence. So guys leave Chlöe alone. You this channel, you have no right to discredit Chlöe at all. Why didnt you stand out in your own field, you flop as well. You have no right to advise. HOW MUCH ARE YOU WORTH again?
@@MP-kl8ik Hey! Thanks for this comment - you’re right, I have no right to advise. I’m not a musician or singer. However, I am a fan and someone who wants to see them win. Only positive vibes here ✨ - I love her voice and think she has IT. This is just some fun commentary, nothing serious. As for me, I’m good! Building my career, working on me (UA-cam is a side hobby). Not perfect, but progressing, as we all are. I hope you have a wonderful day. Thank you for your comment and perspective 🙌🏾 - I appreciate all who share, even if we disagree.
How can you blame the audience for not liking her music…??? I think most of her songs are too simple. She has a great voice and some of her songs are catchy but they need a bit more complexity.
@@bigblue4579 Hey! Thanks for commenting! Interesting perspective indeed - I wonder how do those who didn’t grow up watching Chloe view her? Is there a difference? I might have to save this for my next video…
Facts. Chloe and Halle are extremely talented. Can play instruments, sing, dance, and act, yet her music is heavily autotune, twerking and overlysexuallizing herself for no reason. That was never the reason ChloexHalle fan liked them. They brought something new and edgy. It seems like Halle is the cold to her heat. Halle already said she always had a plan for her personal life, which is why we see her music reflect better. Chloe is still figuring it out, but I wish she knew she dont have to do all the extra when she IS enough.
@@DorothyZbornak4 Thanks for watching / for your perspective! I think Halle is more settled into who she is as a person / more self aware, which is why her solo music is doing better (in my opinion). There aren’t as many changes or gimmicks with Halle. She has her own issues (re: DDG and the pregnancy being hidden), but she seems more comfortable where she is at. Point is - they need each other to balance each other out. I agree.
I love how you said Halle is the ice to Chloe's fire. They both do compliment each other very well musically
Yeah I agree with you! She needs a rebrand! I view Chloe as a girl next door alternative pop alternative jazz girl. She should lean into that. I don’t really like the whole baddie aesthetic she got currently, it’s not original and she not marketing herself as an artist, she is marketing herself as an only fans model. I hope Chloe gets better management and a good image consultant.
Exactly! Her brand is all over the place. Too much talent is going to waste with indecision when it comes to image and sound plus a lack of brand direction. She’s going to get it right one day….
@@Surayyaverse I definitely agree! It’s never too late! I believe that one day we will see Chloe live her full potential 😃😃
@@MidnightwithTaelor Lol girl we hope 🤣 - fingers crossed!
Chloe should have gradually transition into being a sex kitten. The living legend Janet Jackson had the best transition. Janet gradually transition into being more sexual in her music and persona. "Love Will Never Do" was her introduction as a sex symbol. It wasn't too much. It was still tasteful. In the video, she had on a midriff and mom jeans. Janet also ended the Rhythm Nation album with the song "Someday Is Tonight" which was sensual and sexy. "Someday Is Tonight" was a sequel to "Let's Wait Awhile". On "Let's Wait Awhile", she was telling the guy to wait to be intimate, and on "Someday Is Tonight," she was telling him that she was ready. It was brilliant. The album after Rhythm Nation was the Janet album where she jumped fully in. With each album after that, she continued to take it up a notch. Chloe's transition should have been more like Janet's
Chloe and Halle don't really have R&B voices. Their voices are very operatic. I agree with you when you say Chloe is trying to please the wrong crowd. The reason why her music with Halle hit because it was different. It didn't sound like what was already out there.
That's an interesting point. They have excellent voices, and they are generational talents. It's all about finding the right producers and sound for them. They had it with their ChloexHalle music. Yes, the mainstream / Shaderoom crowd did not support, but their music needed time to grow on us. It's like when a business releases a product and that product takes time to be accepted by the mainstream. Sometimes the market has to catch up. They needed to stay true to their sound and let the market catch up in my opinion....Thank you for watching!
@@Surayyaverse yes,this is a good point. even if ungodly hour wasn't a super big hit, it still helped them stand out. i feel like if they stuck together as a duo, more people would become interested in what they're doing, especially since they're so critically acclaimed. i miss their more alternative r&b side
Exactly. Her "good girl gone bad" rebrand was too brutal and too "mediocre". She burned bridges with her og fans but didnt meet any new ones. She is stuck in limbo. She lacks hits, she lacks a coherent visual identity and she lacks an "edge".
I see Chloe and Halle as experimental artists.
I don’t agree about them not having R&B voices when their clearly versatile and I really blame the label their not doing these girls justice at all
Chloe is a prime example of having all the talent and resources to become a mega star but she has zero artistic direction, a forced over-sexual brand that does not align with her real life persona, and cringy internet antics that have turned people off from her. I personally thought her 2nd album was definitely an improvement from her previous debut album which was pretty lackluster and lyrically juvenile but Trouble in paradise had no promotion or even any rollout. It was set up to fail from the start especially since she picked pretty bad lead singles with FYS And Boy bye.
Oooh! Yes - there was no rollout. Forgot to discuss that in this video. Please subscribe to stay updated for the deep dive I'm dropping on Beyonce's business ventures (Parkwood Included). I think Parkwood sucks at promo and spends all their promotional budget on Beyonce's projects. But true to all that you said...I agree. FYS and Boy Bye were not my favorites on the album - bad lead single choices 😛.
@@Surayyaverse will definitely subscribe for sure and looking forward to the deep dive on Beyoncé video you’ve got coming 👍🏽
Chloe wrote Halle 's verse on "Want Me"... Btw. The song was already made (just with Chloe) then her godmother suggested that Halle be put on it because it sounded like a Chloe x Halle song
Thank you for the clarification! Well Halle definitely brought her special sauce to her verse - it was a standout to me. The sisters need each other to go far in this industry....
@@Surayyaverse you're welcome! I'm glad they will give us more projects together. But I also really appreciate both of them as solo artists too. The industry was still overlooking them when they were together 😬 well IDK if I should say the industry or the masses.
@@ravenayele3250This! Both! People didn’t start paying attention until Ungodly Hour. It’s not CXH fault that the masses caught up when they pursued solo endeavors.
She need to keep on releasing music building her fan base finding her own sound and success will from
Thank you for watching! Agree - she has to keep experimenting but make it authentic this time.
i wish she included her nerdy side in her music. for example, janelle monae is really quirky in her personality and her music
Yes! Her nerdy side is top tier in my opinion 💯 - amazing at understanding the technicalities of music, bubbly and quirky. She needs to live in that energy! A lot of us can relate to the “awkwardness.” I swear you all are reading my mind because I discuss that in the next video … stay tuned!
Firstly, I think she shouldn't have seperated from her sister. They seperated too soon. She needed to stay in the group for as long as she could. She needed to play her cards like Bey. Bey made a couple of albums with DC before she went solo. She made a wrong move. She just wasn't ready to go solo.
Secondly, I don't know but I think Chloe and Normani are trying to be the next Bey instead of being themselves. The whole "next Beyonce" thing is doing more harm than good for their careers. Ri is an icon because she was too different from Bey. She wasn't interested in being the next Bey. She wanted to do her and now she's a billionaire
Thirdly, apart from their issues with their recording labels, Chloe and Normani shouldn't have collaborated with Chris Brown. A collab with Chris when you're trying to establish a career is not a good idea. Artists who can collaborate with Chris are people who have been in the game for long
Lastly, I agree with u, she's doing too much all at once. The whole sexual image is too much and cringey. She needed to gradually expose that side of her instead of showing us everything all at once. She has made wrong moves but she still has a chance to find herself and have a career. I'm just not sure if she'll have a successful career. There are too many RnB girlies who are doing better than her at the moment
@@NompiloKhumalo-jm7sm Thanks for watching! I am dropping a Part II to this (inspired by the comments) where I will discuss their (both Chloe and Halle’s) management, strategy, etc. I think she has done some things to her career that are tough to move past - I have faith in her though. Please subscribe to be notified as to when that video will drop. Thank you for this insightful comment ❤️🙌🏾
@@Surayyaverseyay, part 2! I loved this discussion 😊
This was such a great video! You really put into words how I’ve felt about Chloe for some time
@@CamrynSuzanne Thank you for watching! For a new creator, this means a lot. Thank you ❤️ and welcome 🙌🏾
@@Surayyaverseyess keep doing you!! This was great 🙌🏽🙌🏽 been watching your other videos too
@@CamrynSuzanne Yes! Thank you! This is my sign to keep going. You are crushing it as well - love your content ❤️. Keep shining ✨
Chloë cant say "my art isnt for consumption", while aiming to be the next Rihanna/Beyoncé. Pop music is consummable.
Yes lol it's the artist being sensitive about her shit - I understand it, I'm the same way. However, when you put your music out there, it will be consumed, critiqued, all of it. Thanks for commenting!
@@moustik31 she never said she was aiming to be beyonce nor rihanna.. considering their styles aren’t even in the same margin you sound AND look dumb.
I feel her fanbase has two subsets currently. Those who love r&b, and those who love alternative/pop etc… Her flop is simply from trying to manage two - target audiences, who have two - different consumer needs, instead of catering to one! There’s definitely a rebrand, and decision that needs to be made considering the proper direction, for not only her music, but her as an artist. Only then, will we begin to see a shift within her career. I feel she’s trying desperately to please both subgroups. However, if you feed one, the other starves. I hope she can rebrand, and decide on ONE conclusively, to truly build her brand and fanbase! I’m strongly hoping it’ll be alternative, as she has already dappled within this genre with “Boy-Bye.”, “Have Mercy”, and “Treat Me.”
Whew - this is a fire 🔥 comment and insight. Yes, there is a double mindedness that she has. It goes back to what I spoke about in the video “ratchet” vs. “relatability.” Does she want the Shaderoom crowd or the loyal fans from her ChloexHalle days? I feel exactly the same way! Thank you for watching. Stay tuned for a Part II and Part III focused on Halle and Chloe’s management / label, Parkwood.
The duo never should have broken up, no one wanted solo stuff from them. They needed to have done 2-3 more albums together and then go solo older if that’s what they wanted. They need to just stick together now because their music together is perfect.
Thanks for commenting! Agree! The solo music happened too soon. Beyonce had a whole DC3 launchpad before a solo career. However, Halle's independent project with The Little Mermaid is what I believe made them go solo before they were ready. All in all, we need another album from the sisters together.
Another one (sorry, I'm a big chloe fan and I got lots of thoughts on her music, image, etc and no one to share it with 😅): I think what confuses ppl is not only the juxtaposition of sexy grown-up chloe (insta, videos) and cute and classy relatable chloe (interviews), but also the contrast of the two most prominent themes (imo) of her songs: "sexy bad bitch who likes to f***" vs "please love me, dont leave me, im so heartbroken". Like, "have mercy" and "treat me" were sort of leading to the whole baddie narrative and ppl thought that's what the first album was going to be, but then they seem to have completely pivoted on that and presented a very different image - vulnerable and heartbroken chloe (in pieces album). Nothing wrong with that but the change simply was too sudden. And then back to bad bitch with raunchy lyrics (fys, same lingerie, nice girls...), and then to emo love craving girl again (Somebody, want me, all I got). A person can be both but for an artist to be both - it's not really computing in most ppl heads, we expect an artist to take a certain lane and communicate a clear message, I guess? Its like waiting for cardi b was to release a ballade about heartbreak or a quirky pop song about hating an office job.
No - share as much as you want - this channel is a community space! Can I propose that these are two sides of herself that are at war - one side being internal authenticity and the other side internalized desires and norms of the industry? Like what the "industry says an R&B girl needs to be" vs. who Chloe really is? She seems to be dealing with a lot of identity incongruence. I'm not a psychologist at all (don't quote me on this one) lol, but Chloe is battling between the expectations that the women in her genre fall into vs. her own authenticity. The blurring of R&B and rap has created the pressure for R&B singers (even Black pop singers) to become over-sexualized. I even see SZA becoming raunchier. She's young, in the public eye, and dealing with finding herself in front of the world. I think that's what's causing it. What do you think? Continue to share - your comments are awesome!
Thank you 😅 yes, there's probably a lot going on but I'm curious to see what is next for chloe
I feel that she should get songwriters that connect to her on a deeper level,collaborate with top producers and build her fanbase,i feel that with a good team,good marketing and a good vision,she would be as big as other artists
@@OoreoluwaOsungbadegun-md4ih Agree! I think she needs songwriters who understand who she truly is or to collaborate more with Halle, even on her solo songs. I think that Halle might be the “writer” of the two lowkey. Thanks for watching!
I've also considered that maybe Halle is a little stronger with the writing of lyrics. It kind of makes sense when considering their favorite subjects; I remember at some point seeing a video where Halle shared her favorite subject was English whereas Chloe's was math. Which also goes into Chloe being strong with making beats since in essence there's a certain element of mathematics that goes into that@@Surayyaverse
@@ravenayele3250 Yes - I think Halle is stronger with the lyric writing honestly...that is why her songs have more meaning and depth, and seem authentic to her, like Angel. I think Halle should co-write Chloe's songs. That might be what is missing. She knows Chloe the best and knows how to bring out the best in her (and vice versa).
@@ravenayele3250 that makes sense. they're the perfect partnership because halle could handle the lyrics and storytelling while chloe is really good at song production and melodies. i think it's ok for chloe to work with halle and other songwriters on her albums, and it can actually improve her art to collaborate with others. elton john never wrote his own lyrics but he's still considered a legend for his songwriting
@@bastetowl3258 Agree! Halle might be the missing link when it comes to songwriting. I know Halle works with Raye, I’m thinking Vic Monét would be good for Chloe as a co-writer…wonder if she’d be up to it. Or even Keri Hilson…..
I don’t think Chloe is necessarily cosplaying, but I think there are too many cooks in the kitchen. The reason their music was so unique is because they collaborated on writing, brought their influences together, and Chloe was heavily solo producing or her production took priority. As a solo artist, she is right to try to figure out her sound outside of the group because the group is only a part of her, not fully who Chloe is. She’s always been a lover of unique alt sounds and music, but she’s also heavily a pop lover. It’s unfortunate that she was high key bullied out of that direction because I do think her trap pop songs are her most unique songs and genuinely her - but it sounds as if she holds herself back vocally and that someone is instructing her to capture the R&B audience. As for this current album, she sounds phenomenal and I hear more of her! Honestly, I love both albums but I agree that lyrics can have more methaphor/ innuendos and cover more of a range of topics while still being tongue in cheek. The thing that will help her, and is not connecting, is her visual branding and to be free to produce for herself. Once she locks those down I think we’ll see a shift because all the other pieces are there.
@@miszkk Hmm…you might have a point! I love all these insights. In the video, I questioned if Chloe was the one doing the production for ChloexHalle, and if she was, she is very talented! She has the recipe in Halle, their synergy, and her voice. I do think there are other forces at work as well, steering her into R&B because she is Black (a lot of artists have spoken about this). Whew, this is a lot to take in but excellent breakdown 🔥🔥👏🏾. Thank you for commenting 🙌🏾!
@@Surayyaverse Thank you for reading! I highly recommend listening to their projects that came before Ungodly Hour, if you haven't. Definitely their mixtape, The Two of Us, and The Kids are Alright where Chloe was their engineer and for 90% of their songs the main producer. I want to say she produced most of their early music in her living room and garage. Like, she's insanely talented. They both are, just differently.
She just needs a two-three year break so she can rebrand successfully. I don’t agree with her needing producers cause she can produce on her own. She produced majority of the groups albums that yall love. The issue is the songwriting and image and subject matter. I think if she rebranded into an edgier image like Madonna and lady Gaga which we saw glimpses of (go back on her ig and her fashion choices in the beginning) she would go far. I also say she’s not siooosed to be in rnb and is supposed to be in alt/indie pop
Hi! Thanks for sharing! Yes - a lot of people are saying she shouldn't be in R&B - that's an interesting take I never considered. That might be what is causing the disconnect and why the fans aren't resonating. Does the music she's singing fit her voice and personality? That's some food for thought. Thanks for commenting✨
yes i agree. if she did something alternative and genre bending like janelle monae, it would be amazing. i also enjoy her production even on her latest album. i just want to see different sides to her besides just sex and toxic relationships
Chloe needs to find a specific producer that can help her make hits like Aaliyah had with Timbaland. She also needs to tone it down with the sexy image and maybe make her love life a little more public since she’s always singing about toxic men. It’s kind of hard to relate her lyrics to her real life since she’s not public with it. But the main issue is Columbia Records not giving her radio play or promo. She has several songs that could have landed the billboard charts but they don’t push it to radio stations 🤷🏽♀️
@@jujubee6030 Thanks for this point! Summer Walker is a good example of the power a public relationship can have when it comes to your career - I felt “4th Baby Mama” with my chest because we watched her go through it with London on the track. I agree on finding a specific producer. Who do you have in mind? I’d love to hear your perspective on which producer might be good for her. Thanks for sharing?
@@Surayyaverse Maybe Scott Storch or Pluss. These are producers who worked with the girls in the past. Maybe even Kaytranada where she can do r&b house music since she has a powerful voice. 🤷🏽♀️
@@jujubee6030 Ooh! Love the Kaytranada idea! He’s a beast. I also think Leon Thomas (The Rascals) would be great for her. I know he’s worked with Ariana Grande and SZA, and I think she needs a pop / house / alt R&B hit to get that one breakthrough song.
I agree with your last statement. Body Do, In Pieces, Somebody, Redemption, Rose, Nice Girls Finish Last, Favorite, and Shake deserve radio play.
Her second Studio Album is Fire 💯💯💯👀
@@ShilohTurner-rb4yl Thanks for sharing! The beats were fire - I agree with that. I liked the St Lucia themed production.
They need to get back together. That’s when they will find the success they need
@@Abestine0 Thanks for this comment! I agree, both sisters need each other. They have the recipe, just need to mix the right ingredients together. They have everything they need in each other.
@@Surayyaverse could u make a vid abt the future of billie eilish (do u think she’ll become a legend
@@Abestine0 Yes! I will do. I have an upcoming “remix” (mash up of different topics) on Billie Eilish, Taylor Swift, and Olivia Rodrigo.
@@Surayyaverse 🔥🔥🔥
Unpopular opinion: maybe im judging by my own experience, but to me its feels like she taps into her sex life, her body and her sexuality themes so much cause she's very young and dating and sex are probably still very exciting and new to her? I mean, it's exciting for her and she feels that its going to be exciting for her audience as well... I LOVE choe and halle, both together and separately, but i find it hard to relate to Chloe's more recent songs as i personally am past the age where young people are obsessed with sexuality 😅 Everyone has a body and most people have sex 😂 there's nothing unique and not much interesting about it... Again, i love chloe and i think she's long lasting. Its not than ppl think she cant be sexy. Its about ones personality and artistic expressions being separate things.
@@allavi9613 Wow you’re literally reading my mind. My next video is about this. I think growing up in the industry, they were simultaneously sheltered (homeschooled) and over exposed (the industry is crazy). I think she is young, but at 26, the rampant sex-crazed talk usually ceases. The last time I remember people talking heavily about sex was when I was in high school 🫠. After a certain age, it’s no longer a biggie. But you are right - it is a reflection of her experience and where she is at mentally and in her journey. Very insightful point. Thank you for watching!
I am so excited to see what she does for her next album. She said that she wanted her next album to be 100% her. Lyrics, production, and everything aswell!!
@@kc_undercover4549 Thanks for watching and commenting! I am excited as well. I hope to continue to follow her career. She will go up from here, I have faith in her.
i'm so glad there's another TMI stan!! i've also been rocking with them since Radio Disney's Next Big Thing! (also fun fact: when i saw Chloe on tour, i told her that was my introduction to them and then we started singing it together! it was one my favorite moments ever)
@@EmmanuelKikoni Yes! TMI is underrated - that was (and still is lowkey 👀💁🏽♀️) my song! I loved their younger voices.
I felt Trouble In Paradise was very authentic to her. Y'all are dragging it. Like get over it. This is about sex being taboo & people not liking raw r&b & wanting a more digestible alternative music from black women that isn't overtly "BLACK". The code words are "doing too much" & "alternative music" & "experimental" & "quirky" & "ghetto" & "cosplaying" as if overtly black art is just a character anyone can put on for entertainment.
Like What is ghetto about Chloe's music? That she talks about sex? Lmao, I'll wait.
If you don't like certain traditionally black genres of music, then say that & move on.
She is catching stray bullets being an example of someone going from someone more palatable & alternative to overtly "black af".
Chloe is killing the game. She's not trying to prove she isn't Halle.? Please. If anything, Halle has yet to evolve her sound & mature in her own way and her own right like her older sister has.
Look in the mirror, people. She doesn't need to do the inner work, thats yall.
Yall are doing the utmost telling other people what they need to be doing & telling them what's "authentic" to them. This is not tea 😂 Yall want it to be tea so bad. Criticizing her imperfect branding? Not using her full vocal ability? Talking about sex? 😂 Yall are funny
Its simple: yall want her to change so you can be more comfortable. End of story.
@@sageaand Thank you for watching and commenting! I see the value in your perspective, and I thank you for sharing your thoughts in such a passionate manner. We can disagree on this channel - and I love when we disagree 💁🏽♀️! These viewpoints outside my own help me to learn and evolve my thinking on this topic. We’re all fans here, and we have different preferences, and it’s okay. Thanks for sharing - this gave me a lot of food for thought and a different perspective.
I felt every word. The same people calling Chloe hypersexual are the same ones that listen to Meg or any ole song with sexual lyrics and won't say a word because 'it sounds good'
Chloe gets unnecessary hate and I'm not even trying to argue or understand it anymore. She sings better than most of the r&b girlies in the game today anyway
She grew up in the church and named her album Ungodly hour…. That’s y here career STUCK clock it😂
@@Ynhb996 Not “she grew up in the church” 😂😂😂 - never considered that before. Hmm… you might be on to something 👀
Love, love, love this breakdown so so so much :D🫶🏽! Really your analysis of about Chloe is what I was thinking, but didn’t know how to express it ✨. But I love her work so much and i can’t wait to see her grow and grow more 🥹🫶🏽✨🎶🎵🎧!
@@cameronf.680 Thank you ❤️ - aww comments like this are just so heart warming 🥰 - I’m actually in the process of editing my second drop / Part II to this right now. This video is about both sisters. Hope you subscribe and stay tuned!
When Chloe covers other ppls songs it’s heaven. when she sings her songs no soul at all
@@laylabaxter5157 Thanks for commenting! Hmm… never considered that she might not even truly like her own songs - hence why the connection to the music isn’t there.
She & Halle together on Songs are a Hit 💯💯💯👀
I tried listening to her album, I really did but it didn't sound like there was soul in it. And it's unfortunate because that's what drew me to Chloexhalle in the first place, there was so much love you could feel it in the music. This project felt detached and I couldn't get into it.
@@jononoka1194 Thanks for watching and commenting! Yes - people are talking about the lack of soul - something was missing. I loved the sounds (sonically) but the lyrics I didn’t connect with. Hmm… we’ll have to keep delving into her story to figure out why.
I just don't think she has the IT factor. She's talented and beautiful but not interesting. her music is not relatable and her personality and brand is not cohesive and believable. Her and her sister don't have sex appeal. She actually uses her social media a lot and frequently performs at award shows so marketing and promotion is pretty decent. The budget increases when interest and demand increases. Unfortunately she can't deliver. Maybe she'll get a hit in the future but she's not the type to be consistent to solidify her relevancy. Acting is her best chance.
Hmm...very interesting take. I like your thinking! Personally, I think she has the "IT" factor but the sexpot route is not the right direction. Many white artists succeed without sex appeal, think Billie Eilish, Taylor Swift, etc. Why can't she? I think it's the marketing and the packaging and the forced sexiness that is her problem. She needs to play into her ingenue demeanor, not hide it. Ariana Grande does this well. She isn't overtly sexy but it works for her. I'm making a video on this as well (coming soon). Why do Black female artists need sex appeal? Love your comment and insight. Thanks for sharing!
Tbh, I didn’t really like Ungodly Hour that much either. The Kids Are Alright was a genre bending masterpiece and I just want them (either and both!) to go back to that type of music again.
Thanks for commenting! I've never listened to the Kids are Alright, but I should! I used to love them when they were on Radio Disney growing up.
Redemption is a hit but just needs to be extended and kept simple and sweet. I think some of her songs have potential to be hits but just restructured and less cursing too. It’s like I hear something in the song that I like but then she goes another direction lyrically or melody wise that I hear differently
Chloe label Columbia records l is holding her back .even with the demand for her second album they are not promoting it like she's moving like a independent artist. We need to stop blaming her and blame the label because they not pushing her.
That's another valid perspective! I'm going to make another video on Beyonce's business ventures, Parkwood included. This album was released with almost zero promo, not sure what was up with that. It will take more than one video to explain that situation, but that Parkwood vid is coming. This one just focused on her artistry and the things she has more direct control over.
she's doing a few interviews now but still no live performances and there was no actual lead up to the album. i don't know what's going on with parkwood
right. i've never heard her on the radio
Talent doesn’t mean much these days you need to be able to inhabit a vibe that’s trending. If the algorithm blesses you it gives you a season of success then it’s done. The days of a sonic genius like Stevie Wonder or a vocal giant like Whitney is over.
@@sawgerrera5754 Thanks for commenting! You are right - talent is meaningless to a certain group of music consumers - trendy music is in, and people like a certain subset of R&B with explosive lyrics and the real life drama to back it up. I always ask myself if the “greats” would be able to make it in a TikTok music culture. Thanks for the insight!
@@Surayyaverse I think maybe a lot of the greats would make it in the TikTok world. I can Imagine Little Richard’s shady humour making him TikTok famous. Michael Jackson in his prime could stand still and make people faint. Everything he done was fascinating to watch he would be perfect in the social media age. Quirky personalities like those would have lit TikTok ablaze but it would probably wouldn’t have done much for their careers in the sense of sales or the progression of their Art. Makes me wonder how many great Artists we’re missing out on simply because the industry doesn’t have the ability to provide a space for them
i feel like she's super talented but writing may not be her biggest strength. definitely not at the same level of her performance or production. i wish she'd focus on improving this or cultivating better taste because the writers she collaborates with don't elevate her lyrically
chlöe wrote all of Want Me, and so the talent is definitely there. idk
Thanks for commenting! I think she is a solid writer, but might not be good at writing for herself. She needs Victoria Monet or even Keri Hilson to write for her (in my opinion). She needs either the Ariana writing squad (Victoria Monet / Tayla Parx) or another prolific songwriter who is genre bending in their music.
same lingerie and nice girls finish last is fire
@@mariarodgers5387 Thank you for watching and commenting! I’ll listen to those again and give my take in another video - maybe an album comparison? Hmm…I got some ideas.
Halle told her co star years ago she wanted Chloe to go solo they both have different goals with Halle filming movie Chloe went off but the hype got to her head with have mercy she became cringe to the public her song with Halle flopped and Halle solo song did very well on digital song sales chart also Halle is in relationship and have a family of her own which makes her life more interesting so it would match her muisc no one knows what Chloe does outside of work really her songs are lackluster cause she don’t have nothing going in her life to write about so peopke can’t connect Halle as always been her but people put Halle on this pedestal cause little mermaid when she was never innocent we all watched grownish Chloe needs writers Halle had Raye who is writer from Beyonce writing camp to help her write her songs Chloe has the resources but she is stubborn instead she use it
Thanks for commenting! Hmm..I love your insight! This comment gave me a lot to think about honestly. I agree that Chloe needs writers, and the love songs are a bit awkward from her considering we've never seen her in a public relationship. If she is private, then I respect it. I think she might be trying to pull a Normani where their private lives are private and the music is out there, but people do like to see glimpses of these artists lives to better connect with their songs.
the tmi throwback 😂
La plupart des commentaires disent « Chlöe doit trouver un song writer » mais les gens, vous n’avez jamais écrit une chanson de votre vie mais vous critiquez. Le dernier album de Chlöe Trouble in paradise est un 10/10. Quand il s’agit de Chlöe vous avez toujours des choses à dire de négatif. Cette fille ne fume pas, ne boit pas, mène une vie rangée. Elle produit elle même ses sons, ne fait pas de problèmes mais vous la critiquez tout le temps. Y’a des gens qui ne prennent même pas le temps d’écouter son dernier album et la critiquent. Ou quand ils écoutent ils vont chercher ce qui ne va pas. Ce n’est pas juste
Merci d'avoir regardé ! J'apprécie ce commentaire. Oui, Chloé est une personne extraordinaire. Elle a un caractère et une moralité incroyables. Nous voulons juste qu’elle le montre dans sa musique. C'est de l'amour, juste quelques commentaires sur ce qu'elle peut faire de mieux. Elle est déjà incroyable, nous avons juste besoin que la musique reflète cela. En fait, nous voulons qu'elle soit plus authentique, nous l'aimons déjà ! Cependant, nous n'aimons pas et ne savons pas qui elle prétend être. Merci encore!
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Thank you for watching! I appreciate this comment. Yes, Chloe is an amazing person. She has amazing character and morals. We just want her to show that in her music. It's all love, just some commentary on what she can do better. She is already amazing, we just need the music to reflect that. We actually want her to be more authentic, we like the real her already! We don't like or know who she pretends to be though. Thanks again!
Maybe she should be doing Gospel 💯💯💯
Thanks for commenting! I actually thought this the other day - I loved her singing in Praise This. She would be a BEAST in gospel honestly. I'm making a video on Tori Kelly and Jordin Sparks (coming soon) and whether they should go gospel. Hmm....might add Chloe to the mix.
The Industry wants Chloe to Sell her Soul 💯💯💯👀
Do something on black women in kpop
@@theguythatshotdraketheguyt53 Hey! Would love to - but I need some recs 👀 who do you have in mind? Give me some names and I’ll put it on my video “to do” list!
@@Surayyaverse group name blackswan and katseye check them out
Black women in k-pop?🤔
There's only Fatou right?
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How is her art not for consumption but expect to share it AND make money from it??? Huh?!
@@Naomi-gr7fm Lol yeah, it’s the typical “I’m an artist. I’m sensitive about my sh*t”
(love your pfp).
How is Halle "a Bible-thumping prude" and a babymama at the same time?
@@aphillyate1 Thanks for watching! Halle is herself. I love her but she - like many of us - is a contradiction. Growing pains, I guess…….
@@Surayyaverse You do great work. Chloe is the valedictorian Bible-thumper, and that's why her shtick is going nowhere.
The article was not calling Halle a Bible-thumping prude. 🤦🏾♀️
Have you actually listened to Trouble In Paradise? Chlöe sang down on the album. To me she showcased vocals that she never showcased in the duo. It's sad how some are so envious of Chlöe that they refuse to acknowledge when she's eating. Chlöe's such a rare talent! Talent for talent no new artist is touching her, especially not her Lil sis
Thanks for sharing! I agree - Chloe is a generational talent. Yes, I also agree that many of the comments towards her are unnecessary and envious. I'm a fan as well - and enjoyed both albums! This was just my commentary on some of the things I see that she might be able to consider moving forward. It's all good fun - nothing serious. Just some social commentary / food for thought.....
I had no problems with her singing on the album, but none of the songs jumped out at me as anything exciting. They're songs I could put on and let play, but wouldn't really be noticing which one was playing while I did other things.
@@perfectallycromulent Good point! That's why I said they might have been throwaway tracks from other artists - sonically her voice sounds great, but the songs don't connect with the listeners. Except the song she did with Halle and a couple other standouts..
Yall love trying to put Halle down.
Chloe is who wrote all of the lyrics on the song want me even halle's part,smh
@@hadiyamascoll8305 Thank you for watching and clarifying that! Many of us thought Halle wrote her part.
I agree💯🤍🙏🏼
@@Inysih Thank you for commenting and watching!
Home cuz this ain’t it lmao
@@Astrapionte Lol - thanks for watching! I got the Chlovers (the fan base) ready to eat me up over my commentary 😂😂
The problem is not Chlöe music or her brand but we the audience who has refuse to grow up and accept that Chlöe is 26 not the baby they grew up with. People will definitely catch up with Chlöe.
Solo Chlöe is different from Chloe×Halle... We refuse to accept that and thats the problem.
She is not fake or appear forced.. so far Chlöe is doing well and she will break out in due time.
Chlöe is doing way better than Halle even with all the little mermaid influence.
So guys leave Chlöe alone.
You this channel, you have no right to discredit Chlöe at all. Why didnt you stand out in your own field, you flop as well. You have no right to advise. HOW MUCH ARE YOU WORTH again?
@@MP-kl8ik Hey! Thanks for this comment - you’re right, I have no right to advise. I’m not a musician or singer. However, I am a fan and someone who wants to see them win. Only positive vibes here ✨ - I love her voice and think she has IT. This is just some fun commentary, nothing serious. As for me, I’m good! Building my career, working on me (UA-cam is a side hobby). Not perfect, but progressing, as we all are. I hope you have a wonderful day. Thank you for your comment and perspective 🙌🏾 - I appreciate all who share, even if we disagree.
How can you blame the audience for not liking her music…??? I think most of her songs are too simple. She has a great voice and some of her songs are catchy but they need a bit more complexity.
A lot of people did not grow up watching Chloe so you can't blame it on that
@@bigblue4579 Hey! Thanks for commenting! Interesting perspective indeed - I wonder how do those who didn’t grow up watching Chloe view her? Is there a difference? I might have to save this for my next video…