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Exposing the Babylon 5 reboot reality
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
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Babylon 5 is one of great scifi classics and there is still a chance it could return with a hard reboot
But is it what fans or streaming executives actually want??
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I would be very excited to have a B5 reboot. The original was great but it was a complete series. An entirely new storyline and new alien races would work.
*Please not Disney!*
Reboots dont work? Hmmm. Battlestar Galactica.....
Battlestar Galactica reimagined the original very very well. They changed it up enough to make it a completely different show despite the same premise.
This is what B5 needs to do.
I like original B5 and I have met every major actor from the show when I was working for Science Fiction convention. On a reboot it would be hard to find a cast as good as the original. I would like to see what would have happened in the show if Talia was not written out of the show because of the actress leaving. I also wonder how the show would have turned out if give the original 5 season plan. So much was smashed into season 4 to finish off the Shadow War only to have another year of the show.
I think if the took the old scripts and updated them to take out some of the really cringe lines of dialogue, it would work.
Marcus lives!
B5 in my opinion has the best cast on a TV show ever, how on Earth does anyone think they can replace Peter and Andreas is beyond my comprehension.
Star Trek the Next Generation was a reboot, and It is loved nearly as much as the original.
Yeah, but Star Trek is episodic. Babylon 5 isn't/wasn't
No, it wasn't. it was a continuation set further in the future, TOS remained canon. a reboot wipes the slate clean and starts again.
This is why it is a safe bet that any given reboot will fail, they start off by alienating the actual fan base.
I'd absolutely give it a chance if JMS is running and writing it. I didn't end up liking Discovery much, but I still gave it a few seasons of watching just to give it a fair shake. I think B5 could be fine if it had a long enough runway to get the story off the ground.
They have to do a TNG-like move and keep the original canonical and tell a new story after the original in the same universe
They should put it on HBO. I feel like Babylon 5 aesthetically suits HBO and the serialised storytelling that Babylon 5 pioneered became the template for HBO's success and I feel like HBO owe it to J Michael Straczynski. I think a Babylon 5 reboot could be made (like The Expanse) for a fraction of what HBO normally spends on a TV series and I've always wanted to see a space opera produced by HBO.
It would bomb on HBO, completely wrong demographic for b5.
@mojonojo3 Babylon 5 has many similarities to Game of Thrones, and I've previously called it the Original Game of Thrones in Space (I've also described The Expanse as Game of Thrones in Space). With the right promotion and production values, it could be quite successful on HBO and for a fraction of the price of Game of Thrones.
@@SoshiMECH but the HBO audience wouldn't watch sci-fi. There was a period prior to COVID when they were commissioning sci-fi for MAX, that didn't survive. HBO is now second run movies, reruns of curb your enthusiasm sex and the city and Kate Winslet shit comedy parodies of Enver Hojha.
@@mojonojo3 Westworld and Last of Us were pretty successful. I assume you might mean space opera which is so far unproven on HBO and would be something new for them. Wasn't the original Babylon 5 series and animated movie streamed on HBO Max with some success? This begs the question if you don't think the audience that watched Game of Throne, Westworld and Last of Us among other high quality/concept Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Drama shows are Babylon 5's demographic, then what demographic is? I think with most other streaming services (Netflix etc.) Babylon 5 would get lost in the crowd. HBO could/should/would make a big deal out of a Babylon 5 reboot coming to their service and having brand recognition (Game of Thrones, Westworld & Last of Us) seems to help a show and Babylon 5 has brand recognition.
@@SoshiMECH you have to look at current lineup and commissioning post COVID and strike. I can guarantee there is virtually no one working there in commissioning that was there a decade ago.
even if Netflix said yes it would never make it past 1 or 2 seasons because that's what they do make 1 or 2 seasons then cancel it regardless of how good or bad it's doing.
I think a reboot would be great as long as JMS is leading it.
I would wach a reboot. The original Series also has it's weak spots. It's JMS idee. If he says he can do it better, i think we should give him some sleak.
I'm happy with my Bluray B5 box set.
At this point a new b5 series is a believe it when we see it sort of thing as it had its time but if they redo it then they should make it look much cooler better station more modern or post modern look and have it so the station doesn't need to spin as that was a problem i noticed in the first one when it cam to battles with the station it did not seem to show it spinning. maybe it was just me but even when they showed the fron window in the command so put in artificial gravity plating on that station as certain changes like that would only make it better.
The earth minbary war should be include in the series not a movie a full 11 to 15 episodes and include the dilgar war.
I wish they would just go full burn on animation. They can do that well and do really whatever they want.
Jae, I agree that the YT community, most, would throw shade at a reboot even before filming started, ala-Rings of Power. Because no matter how good or bad, it'd be, the bad words will stick
thanks for the video always good informative content from you m8 o7
Thanks Dude!!
How about finishing Crusade? I loved that series and the story was just really getting good. Reboot that please.
An announcement of start of production and release date and where . Nothing else should be posted from this until then
For every reboot that works,There is 25 that didn't.
I'm in the opinion that if they make a good original show in the b5 universe they don't have anything to worry about.
I don't know why strazynski has this hard on for a reboot.
Netflix does have Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon.
Jay you should have bought the thundercats beanie hat. It looks brilliant.
As a frnchise it beyond Star Trek, Stargate and Batlestar Galacica, it´s at the average category show like Andromeda, Farscape,, Quentom Leap, etc ! With present development with Star Trek and Stargate tehre´s no room financialy and prakticaly to produce antything worthwhile. So many show wait for reboot, some clearly deserve it others quastionable it´ a lot of time and effort first and resources second put in, wich might not be so satisfying !
I'm 50/50 on reboots. I would prefer a continuation of the universe itself. Obviously B5 would have to be gone after all this time. But if there was a way to bridge time passed and a transition to a new show name with animation then come in later with a new live action show. Maye have a few characters back but mostly a new cast.
Your hat is cute!!
Amazon could well think StatGate (a MGM property) would look more promising. StarGate spun off a couple other successful series. Babylon 5 tried 2 spin offs that died, and even the old fans are dubious about watching a reboot. I.e. studios think Babylon 5 is not a frachisable universe like Trek or StarGate, but rather it’s one great story with no follow on or spin off potential.
I hope we get new B5. Yeah, reboots are bad and all that, but I'm ready to bet, and I'm really curious about what JMS has to offer. Very rarely original creators come up with an idea of a reboot. It can be great.
To be blunt, the CW passed on a reboot because it was not viable as a study they commissioned said that half the Babylon 5 fanbase was just not interested. It's just Legend of the Rangers moved over to be the main Babylon 5 story with characters from the main show, recast, obviously. Netflix are more interested in The Expanse, but that depends on what happens to the Rights. Amazon are also waiting to see how that situation resolves. Bezos really likes the Expanse. They've also got Stargate. Apple has Asimov's Foundation series. I think they're butchering it, but the show is popular. Disney has Star Wars. Netflix, unlike Syfy, could afford to buy the Babylon 5 Rights that Warner's have. Yes, Netflix could end up as the only major without a SciFi show. Warner Bros Discovery seem to be much more interested in developing a live action TV show for Harry Potter than in anything SciFi.
CW passed as they have shifted to lower production cost TV like reality stuff and sports under new owners. No longer fits with their channel vision.
I understand the study you are referring to was actually done by Savanna media and yes it reported a high proportion of “fans” reported they did not want a hard reboot.
WB will produce B5. They just don’t want to pay for it. Like many projects they are pushing
@@scitrek I stand by what I posted. I did not say that WB would not produce B5. I did not say that the CW were still interested in a reboot of B5. I find your insinuation that fans of B5 who are not interested in watching a reboot are not real fans, insulting, in the extreme. As a fan of B5, I have zero interest in watching a reboot.
@@tscchope no idea where the ‘real fans’ comment came from. I never said that.. I was just correcting and adding to your comment which was not quite right sorry.
im happy with my original
As a B-5 fan from back in those days I can say I myself was never interested in a B-5 reboot. I'm not interested in a rebot on anything, I want new stuff!
I feel the same way. I wouldn't mind seeing more Lost Tales episodes, or a new series. I'd also like to see the rest of Crusade.
I believe it when I see it
How are they going to scratch the surface, B5 had 110 episodes!
We already have B-5, I'll pass on a reboot.
would like it better if you deliver much faster
Most if not all the studios and streaming companies are tightening their belts as the whole economics in the entertainment industry and well across the board is hurting, 2024 and the next year or two may not be open for scifi series that could need more costly SFX. The money just isn't there.
Reboots don't normally work. Yeah there's the odd one or two make good first impressions such as BSG, but we've seen too many make a big splash but there's no endurance to see it through to the end. This was clear with BSG where the creators admitted they were calling it in to complete the show. I would counter that with Babylon 5 however as JMS has the got the whole arc to its conclusion developed so there's that.
The hardest thing I would say as an outside observer would be casting and keeping the DEI cancer away from the show. The original did a great job in presenting diversity in the future as it was without it being painfully obvious it's just included as a means to bash the audience over sociopolitical goals today. Original fans will be very cautious and critical at first over the casting but given the show has the original creator the audience with OG love will give the new cast a window to prove themselves and how they work off one another. Cast are usually genuine when they say how much of a 'family' they were and that really shines through in their individual and interactive acting. Audience picks up on this very early into a show. However way you slice it it's going to be a big factor in how this reboot will be accepted by original show fans because it will be very difficult to capture lightening in a bottle in relation to casting. We were very spoiled as fans because of the quality and dedication the cast had for their role and the show.
I keep saying it in regard to Babylon 5... I would much rather see a 'new show budget' go into remastering and digitizing the original still using the original 16:9 crew assets and redeveloping the 16:9 SFX, reprising the original show completely. Yes it's costly but nowhere it was 10yrs ago or even 5yrs ago and along with AI I believe Babylon 5 could have enough refurbishment using digital tech we have today so it could very well be seen as a whole new show. You wouldn't have to deal with new actors trying to fill the shoes of what the original cast created in the original. New audiences would see a new show, older fans would be the respect and the due the original cast and show deserves. Both would watch this 'new' show and there will be new sales of old and new alike. It could start a whole new revolution in bringing timeless masterpieces back to new audiences while showing respect for the old. Maybe that's still a bridge too far.
nothing to do with economics... it's the woke nonsense that's killing the entertainment industry... (everything woke has FAILED and everything none woke has SUCCEEDED)
Too bad the studios are hung up on the name B5. I would love to see new stories in the same universe but I get that we won't. I am reminded of the end of legend of the rangers
David comments that G'kar has to tell him about B5 sometime. G'kar saids there is no need the path you will walk is not the path I walked they will be different and wonderful. Or something along those lines. It is too bad we never got to see that second path.
The idea of doing a Rangers show was a great one with a lot of potential, but why o why did someone think doing it as a Young Adult show and then produce that god awful pilot was a good idea. Whoever come up with the Kung-Fu weapon firing system must have been on something.
Oh gawd you gonna be called a bad name soon
Please not NetFlix. they don't have a good record of seeing things through.
I just want the very short version!
Babylon 5 sadly will always be a one and done franchise for the most part - that is part of its charm and curse. To reboot it would be to tell the entire story again and while it would be nice to see updated cgi and special effects, Nu-Trek has taught us that sometimes it's best to let sleeping franchises lie. If they could come up with a Babylon 6 storyline, then perhaps we'll be having a different conversation but to catch ligthning again in a bottle, not going to happen. Focus more on a sci-fi property like Andromeda where a vast majority of the population hasnt seen it and you already have a core concept of an idea to work with that truly deserves a reboot.
Andromeda had a lot of potential to reach far further than it did. A very good and original overall story concept, quite a good cast but OMG the writing was dreadful, Screamed out for decent showrunners who should have sacked the entire writing room.
@@Harldin there were a lot of problems behind the scenes, such as the production company going bankrupt which is why the final season is on the planet. They funded it so they could get syndication rights and some additional revenue on the cheap but yeah, Andromeda is a great example of a property that under the right guidance would have potential for a reboot. But like you said, it needs the right showrunners and writers.
@@The_Zilli The worldbuilding was by far the worst I have ever seen in a Sci Fi show, totally inconsistent.
@@Harldin they were laying the foundation when things went off the rails beind the scenes - if you ever get the chance, you can find the full plan that they had for the show, each character on Andromeda at some point was eventually going to leave the ship and head their own faction and at the end all unite with the commonwealth to defeat the threat at the end of the show. Like Beca was going to become the head of the pirates/corporations, Harper was going to the leader of half human half robot hybrids that they indroduced in one episode in the show, Tyr the leader of his people, etc. Was ambitious had things planned out but yeah, production and crap happening behind that show really showed on screen.
3 body problem is an intellectual sci-fi series. The average person isn't smart enough. They wouldn't understand it. Great show. Looking forward to seeing season 2
Try reading an overbearing complicated futurist theorist novel or biography of perspectives, it's like the vacuum of space compared to the density of a star
The SHOGAN reboot/remake is doing well..... a big positive for shogan is that it's NOT WOKE....
(GO WOKE... GO BROKE)
Netflix cancels all series after the 3rd season. 3 Body Problem: Boring as poo! Apple TV would be a great fit for Babylon 5!
Apple is the only one that would do this right and has the funding to let the series grow over time. Only issue is they already have several sci-fi space shows and their viewing numbers are soft so they might be looking for something with wider appeal right now.
Senior Apple executives could have guest appearances in the new Babylon 5 if Apple were to fund the show.
As long as it isn't "BabyWoke 5" I wouldn't be against it. I loved the original, but would love to see what he could do with it now. Just as long as it isn't like "Sense8".
Stick your woke bs up your arse....
Great Sci-fi has always been open to all for at least 60yrs. 🤡🤦🏽♂️
I am extremely dubious about the ability of any major studio to make good B5 at this point in time. I would rather wait a few years until the woke nonsense is over and done with and the activist writers are gone before any new B5 project proceeds.
They don't need to another reboot to screw up another franchise with woke crap... excuse my French. The original series mainly covered the leaders of b5. Instead of making g a reboot... there is infinite material to tell stories in the original settings... how the decisions effected the regular people on the station.... what happened in the non aligned worlds... hell what the shadows or vorlons did during the 5 year series. I'm just sick and tired of modern woke crap writers/directors/actors spewing vomit virtue signaling.
I would LOVE more stories in the Babylon 5 universe but do NOT want a reboot. Reboots suck !! New Trek was awful and even new Battlestar Galactica was good the first 2 seasons and then was meh. In addition it WASN'T Battlestar Galactica rather it was a new show with some of the same mythos.
With B5, yes Joe wrote a fantastic story but the actors made it happen. Who are you going to get to play Lando or G'kar ? Delynn without Mira ? Vir without Stephen ? To me it was like Quinto playing Spock, he tried really hard but sorry he isn't close to Leonard Nimoy.
Why not do Babylon 4 with a new Sinclair and a whole new cast ? I would LOVE that and so would most people.