Personally, I don't want a reboot or to be made foe the modern audience. I just want a graphical remaster akin to Star Trek 2.0. Put some Expanse-level of CGI but leave the live shots alone. The cast (the remaining) are irreplaceable.
Personally, I don't want a reboot or to be made foe the modern audience. I just want a graphical remaster akin to Star Trek 2.0. Put some Expanse-level of CGI but leave the live shots alone. The cast (the remaining) are irreplaceable.
I hope it is a blend of the Original Plan and the series that we wound up with. I want to see the B4 heist but in the original plan vs giving it to Valen!
I would rather a new idea. Could jms do a story about a colony ship in a universe with no hyperspace maybe on a 1000 year journey and maybe no aliens, at least at the start. I think people like a mix of weekly A plot, story arc and some light relief plots. Maybe also put the latest science into the story.
Very interesting 🤔. I respectfully disagree but I like your angle. But, you can't take away hyperspace and Aliens. Lol. Okay, take away hyperspace but we keep all the Aliens. Now, that's compromise. Stay safe 😅
I'm on the fence with this one. If it were just a reboot, I'd say hard no. However, with JMS still at the helm the way he was with the original series back in the 90s, I'm willing to test the waters (though I would like to see cameos from the remaining original cast). Barring this, I would _really_ like to see a remastered version of the original with updated CGI. This was one of my favorite shows growing up. The story line was complex and often took us in unexpected directions, the characters were extremely well written and fleshed out, and they tackled moral problems in realistic ways (particularly Mr. Garibaldi's recovery from alcohol addiction, which actor Jerry Doyle tacked in real life; as well as Garibaldi using his recovery to help his friend Dr. Franklin with drug addiction).
Gosh, I remember way back in what must be early 1994 loving Babylon 5. I was an avid Amiga gamer too so loved the fact that all it's revolutionary CGI was done on an Amiga with a Video Toaster. I especially loved that the squadron of attack fighters didn't 'bank on invisible space air' and instead used thrusters to alter their course. It would be fascinating to see a reboot.
That’s one thing that always lives with me - the spaceship mechanics were _realistic!_ The design of the Starfury (putting the pilot upright and at the centre of the craft) is still inspired. And having them drop out of Cobra Bays, using what is essentially a fuel-free radial launching system.
JMS is a decorated veteran of television production hell. B5 was almost cancelled multiple times during the original five year run, and he always found ways of keeping it alive and running.
I remember the first time watching Babylon 5 in 1994. I was intrigued by the Kosh storyline. Then the Shadow ship appears and carves up the Raider Mothership like a Sunday roast! I was hooked!
What hooked me was acidentally catching the last episode of Season 1, having never watched any of it earlier. I was left stunned, wondering what the heck was going on? And then, when I tuned in at the start of next season … and nothing was really resolved, nothing was "reset" to the way it was before, like all TV shows beforehand did, and then the episode after that didn't resolve everything, and then the episode after that _partly_ resolved things but also just raised _more questions_ … yeah, that's when I was hooked. As JMS himself said, he "knocked over all of the tables and chairs," but not only _didn't_ immediately put everything back where it was, but "put things back, but not really the same". That's what intrigued me and kept me coming back for more.
I don’t want to see a reboot of this series. Modern hollywood is not capable of recreating the original in any capacity. Modern hollywood would never allow for characters like Garabaldi, Lando, and frankly even Sheridan to exist without tacking baggage to destroy what made them compelling in the first place. The original still holds up. Just make a remastered version with new cgi.
@@neil999ish i could see Nathan Fillion as one of the station's captains and Gina Carano as Susan Ivanova and that is just right now without any longer brain storm. Stana Katic as Lyta Alexander is another one, that would probably fit.
I don't want to see a reboot of the events on Babylon station 2257-2262. I want to see the Crusade plot line completed, and explore the universe outside Babylon station I want to see a typical cruiser crew in the Dilgar war. I want to see an Interstellar Alliance expeditionary force defeat the Drakh, and the events leading to the expulsion of the Drakh from Centauri Prime. I want to see the Telepath War. There are so many stories to tell in the Babylon 5 universe; I don't want to see the same story. I don't want to see a "reimagining" of the same story. I don't want mirror universe stories. I want *new* stories. I don't want an all-new universe borrowing the Babylon 5 name, I want to see a continuation of the universe we know from the original series.
I don't want them to touch any of it until the woke nonsense is over. This series is going to be chock full of it and it will ruin any story telling, just like it does everywhere else they shoe-horn it in.
you don't think greatmaker [ stracynski ] can do even better with all his experience acquired since to do a reboot ? yep i would like to see a reboot but only if stracynski produce it and writes for it ...
@@zarroth Did you even pay attention to any of Babylon 5? I mean the show was pretty “ woke “ to begin with it regularly touched on political, religious , cultural and racial issues I mean before they decided to make Delenn a hybrid the original idea was for the character to from male to female which is why the character looks more masculine in the pilot movie
As a long-time Babylon 5 fan, I will believe it's happening when it's happening. That doesn't mean I'm not super excited for the possibility. I really hope it happens.
If this actually happens, would love to see the original stories/plot lines that were dropped due to various circumstances (like actors dropping out) be actually done. For example, that whole plot line with Talia that was being built up and then suddenly dropped would be nice to actually see.
When I first watched the series.. and back then not knowing why.. It had always bothered me how Jason Ironheart didnt detect the hidden personality in Talia.. and not seeing what happened next after her receiving the gift.
Talia was being set up as the Leta Alexander character in the plot line. The hidden personality was the trapdoor JMS had in to get the character out. Seeing Talia use Telekinesis would have been as interesting as Leta's Vorlon augmentation.
@@MrCykotickiwi Well, it actually _does_ make sense: Ironheart was trying to (1) avoid being caught; and (2) trying not to accidentally destroy everything around him by his growing power. So yeah, he was kinda distracted. And, he wasn't really all that deep in Talia's mind at the time.
Agreed, the original is my all time favorite scifi series. When it comes to re-imagining I hope they do something like what happened in the scifi series Andromeda, though technically not a re-imagining they still altered a lot of the series between season three and four.
The usual way they do fuck it up is with cardboard cutouts of "strong female characters" who are not two of those three things. Joe knows how to write strong women, and although he has written a few weak ones, he doesn't like them much because they're not interesting characters. If Joe Straczynski is making the reboot of his own universe, I will trust him to do it well unless or until he shows me that he didn't. Not every idea he has is amazing-the B5 spinoff movies for TNT were hit and miss, and Legend of the Rangers was not great either. But I will still trust the Great Maker has plans if he intends to reshape the universe. Faith manages.
@@brimstonewinpete9306 Actually, that would be the Babylon 4 story with Jeffrey Sinclair as the Minbari not of Minbari. If you watched the series through and through, you know what I mean by that saying. One, it doesn't retread the past (other than the incidental connection to the original series with Jeffrey Sinclair but goes into what happened in the first shadow war. So it is a reboot and then WHAT happened to BABYLON 4 since the Shadow War. That can be a whole series into itself including the interstellar politics THEN! Which I would not be surprised is not all too different than politics on earth and during Babylon 5's time. Surprising history isn't all that different than today and likely even in the future in a time like Babylon 5.
I was so sick of formulaic tv shows. Babylon 5 was a breath of fresh air. I hope it underpins another revolution and brings storytelling on tv another step further. At the very least I hope JMS is able to tell the story he wants to tell without constant threat of cancellation.
@@lucypeace6132Never gonna gonna happen, even the OG season 5 was rushed badly, but I will watch B5 over DS9- Nine times out of Ten, it is worth it. Can you say Captivating.
When they start thinking they need to tweak it for “modern audiences”, I hope somebody reminds them that today’s modern audience is still over 200 years in the past of B5. No need to change a damn thing.
I'm skeptical. Reboots in the current year suck. Yet I will give the benefit of the doubt. If they do an animated spin off of the alternate timeline introduced in Road Home, it would work.
Babylon 5 is and always will be the most important piece of fiction in my life. It has inspired me throughout my life and helped me overcome terrible situations. Babylon 5 means the world to me. So believe me when I say I want this new version to succeed in honoring its predecessor. I'd be extremely skeptical if this new series was being created and produced by a whole new team. However, JMS himself is the one attempting to bring it to our screens! He is an excellent writer with the best understanding of his previous work. Additionally, he's had much more experience with writing and producing since B5 ended. He is yearning to use all of his talents to tell a new, wonderful story that will pay tribute to the original. I think this is amazing! All the folks saying for them to "leave B5 alone" and "not to ruin it" don't understand one simple, basic truth: the original series will always be there. You can always go back and watch it, rewatch it, hang out with Garibaldi, enjoy the frenemy bond/rivalry of G'Kar and Londo, and have your heart broken by the best series finale ever to air with Sleeping in Light. Those episodes and the original movies will always be there. If the new reboot stinks, trust me when I say I'll be going back there! However, JMS brought B5 into existence once. It was wonderful! However, as much as I love B5 it was also plagued by production issues and cancellation issues. The original plan for the Shadow/Earth Alliance conflicts had to be rushed due to a near certain cancellation. Then when they got picked up for a final season JMS had to adapt. Don't get me wrong, some of the very best episodes are from Season 5. Unfortunately, so are some of the worst. JMS wants to do right by his life's work and bring a new version of B5 to modern audiences. And I think that's great! The show was there for me when I needed it in some rather terrible times. I think we owe it to him to trust his vision. We also owe it to potential new viewers to be supportive of JMS' attempts to bring B5 forward for them. It helped me and continues to inspire me in almost every aspect of my life. People need good role models, positive stories about what's right, what's wrong, and how to deal with adversity. I trust JMS. He won't let us down. I, too, am cynical concerning recent productions and the terrible writing of some of those programs. But this is JMS himself bringing it to us. He'll do a fantastic job. And while I'm not religious myself, sometimes "faith manages." Be hopeful. Don't let the world grind you down to a point where you can't even give the creator of Babylon 5 a chance to bring it back. For goodness sake, with everything going on in the world now, dammit, we need Babylon 5 more than ever.
Thank you for the statement, I feel you Brotha. The special effects on this show were amazing, the characters were very complex and interesting, the history of the Alien races was fascinating, the walkabout episodes with the Dr. ( That was some deep stuff) The shadow Aliens were super scary. Hopefully,we can see a reboot. I gladly trust the story telling of JMS, and if they incorporate the multiverse ANYTHING is possible. Stay safe. Peace
That's a statement I can sign. He'll do right by the source material or he'll walk away. He has proven he will do so by burying Crusade after corporate meddling. So on this front, I have absolutely no concerns. And for the people complaining about 'woke culture in Hollywood nowadays': Have you taken a good, close look at the cast and roles in clasic B5? They were what we nowadays call 'woke' back in the 90s already. Only that it's not served with a sledgehammer to the forehead. And again: As JMS has proven he can do this in the original series, I'll be damned if he forgotte how to do that in this day and age. So best leave the man be in regards of demands, wishes and propositions for the reboot. It's his baby, he knows best how to do justice by the source material while showing off how he has developed as a writer over the last quarter of a century.
It seems that Sinclair may be erased from the timeline. Even suffering from mental illness Michael O'Hare put a mark of distinction on B5 that should not be forgotten.
I wonder if his roll continues to exist, just never as the commander of B5. I can see the Mimbari after recognizing the 'life fource' of Valen in him and the legend that Valen himself gave the Mimbari of the Rangers, that the Mimbari may have directly worked with him to develop the Rangers. I'd also like to see more involvement of the Technomages myself. It was kind of a 'weekly Savior type thing' on Excalibur, but I can see Galen being introduced earlier, and having several intersecting arcs with the main story of B5 station. No he's no where near as important of a character as Sinclair in the roll he had, but I've a long suspicion that there were a lot of people who enjoyed the Galen character from the perspective of seeing competent technology people as various types of Wizards at the time. That said, what counts as 'competent' these days mostly amounts to 'they have a bunch of paper that says they can do this stuff, but 3 years of work in related fields for experience." vs. people who spend their lives building their fundamental understanding of the field, and demonstrating that knowledge and understanding, in what they do, with little ceremony. Besides, I liked how the technomage arrived at one meeting, was advised that spy devices were forbidden, and blew apart one or more of Londo's monitoring devices in the room. Just me perhaps.
I would have preferred Sinclair for the reboot, it would have given more legitimacy to it not just being a pale imitation of the original. With that I am kinda worried that they might go the same way as Strange New Worlds did with Kirk. I'm thinking that the best option might be to have Sinclare replace Warren Keffer in the original series and add Commander Sinclair as the Starfury Wing Commander and give him a unique dynamic with the Station X.O. Lt. Commander Ivonava that can still recieve het promotion mid series. This could also lead to a cheesy plot point for an episode where Sheridan is missing and Sinclare and Ivonava butt heads because of a difference of opinion on how to proceed with the Search and rescue. They can still have Sinclare there at Menbari request and maybe even as the station commander for part of the pilot to be relieved by Sheridan. they could even play up the dynamic of Sinclair not being Earthforce's first choice as the reaso for the last second substitution. But that is just one possible thought on the topic.
@@nickm9102 it's a creative solution and fitting with canon since Sinclair was a starfury pilot, except that Warren Keffer was a character that JMS hated and who was forced into the show by execs. The execs absolutely wanted a hotshot pilot and a shootemup show which was something JMS hated. I can't see JMS doing good things to that type of character even if he's named Sinclair.
IMHO, Sinclair was so much better than "Johnny Nukem" Sheridan. Sinclair was a much deeper, much more dignified character. I'm hoping that JMS honors the memory of Micheal O'Hare by keeping Sinclair's story intact.
I've been a B5 fan since the pilot movie, the Gathering. I watched all seasons, the TV movies, even the spinoff. I am hopeful we'll get new B5 especially if JMS writes it. I love the show, but also look forward to a new spin on it, especially since JMS has even said he has grown as a writer, so I want to see what he brings us. Cheers
"I can't help but wonder why they (WB) didn't decide to air the reboot on Max Streaming Service" Answer - Money If they do that, they have to pay for it. If they sell it to someone else, the buyer will pay for it (well most of it, anyway).
I am not sure aboout this. I would almost prefer redoing all the graphics of the original, new space footage. But I just cannot imagine how they will find a new actor to do G'Kar, Andreas was just perfect for the role.
Mine is a tossup between Vir's little wave, and when Londo's security team insures that his last talk with Morden is secure from the Shadows, just before he detonates the bombs that eliminate the rest of the shaddows from Centauri. He at least figured out that there was a cost to the decision he'd made, that went beyond losing the lady he loved. I think he turned into a far braver character than he was credited with, especially when he worked out what the creature that got placed around his neck was susceptible to.
I was a superfan, eventually writing licensed products. That said, I view a reboot with nothing but trepidation, in this day and age. I fear the odds of a good result are slim, since JMS was held back from some of his intentions, unlikely to happen now. If anything, his wilder ideas would be pushed as not far enough. I fear the show runners know far less about how things work nowadays, actors are not as believable as responsible adults, and JMS will be forced to let modern writers do more of the work. JMS said he saw the whole story in a moment of clarity, and I kept saying that the farther he got from that moment, the worse his ideas held together.
Straczynski needs another passion project where he calls the shots. I think there's enough in him for at least one good series. Not sure if Babylon 5 reboot is it. It feels like a group of people in the last decade or so like going around and ruining old IP's. Just going around and destroying IP's.
Yeah seems a shame that someone evidently so talented can't do something new. I mean the dude did Murder She Wrote, but he can't give us another sci-fi IP?
A little disappointed in the pilot synopsis. I was hoping this would be an opportunity to see a version of B5 that follows Jeff Sinclair through his original 5 year arc. We’ve seen Sheridans story.., JMS’ talking about not wanting to retread but still going with a reboot is kind of a joke. You want to go over new ground? Move the timeline forward 30-40 years and have us follow the son of Sheridan and Delenn. Do it in a way where the original show is barely referenced and re-introduce this universe for a new audience. The reality is everything JMS did post season 4 m, B5 and not B5 has been pretty mediocre. The man had one GREAT story in him, and he burned himself out doing it. I simply do not believe that lightning will strike twice. The original will always be there on blu ray thankfully.
Loved the original. Not holding my breath for a reboot. Odd B5 trvia game: naming beloved actors who played in the original series are *not* lost, obscure, or dead.
I am afraid. I am very very afraid. To me, the original B5 was perfection. Well written, visually stunning, great stories and sub-plots. And the characters? Perfection. But in 2034/2024? In the age of Woke? DEI? All the nonsense out there in the world that tends to ruin things? What are we going to get? What kind of craziness will the studios introduce into the B5 universe? And am I the only one out there who thinks that just because you can do a thing, you should do a thing? Can't we just leave B5 alone? Unmolested? Not ruined? I guess if JMS in kept involved, things might turn out alright. But in this day and age, with the poor caliber of people running things, I don't hold out a lot of hope.
Woke, diverse, and inclusive science fiction? Is such a thing even possible? Yes, and I’ll bet you love it, despite your protestations. Star Trek (The Original Series) had an Asian, an African (and a female one at that!), a Russian, and a half-alien on the bridge serving in important roles. Star Trek: The Next Generation had a handicapped (blind) African-American steering the spaceship, a robot, a grumpy Klingon, and another half-alien on the bridge. And the captain was *gasp* bald! Scandal! And he was played by a European actor! That’s so unAmerican! Star Trek: Deep Space Nine had a *double gasp* African-American commander! A lady first officer! The doctor is Indian (and played by an actor with a Middle Eastern name)! Will the war on White Males never end?! Did I fail to mention that your beloved un-woke and un-DEI Babylon 5 had a budding romance between Ivanova and Talia? A woman Pope? Franklin and Marcus posing as a newlywed couple on their honeymoon? Sorry, bro. You don’t need to worry about “the woke” taking over Babylon 5, or Commie-Nazi DEI indoctrinating a generation of sci-fi viewers. It’s already happened. It happened a long time ago. Babylon 5 is not the poster child of the White American Male way of life; it’s the opposite. Like all good sci-fi, Babylon 5 shows us our future, and the future is made of infinite diversity in infinite combinations.
I'm still unconvinced as to why you would want to reboot a perfect series, let's just say i'm hoping for the best but i'm prepared for the usual reboot/re-imagined rubbish. Personally i would have preferred a new a fresh story in the same universe, or even a continuation of Crusade.
I do not like the idea of a Babylon 5 reboot as such, the show had too many iconic performances by many great actors. I think that a reboot will just have people comparing and complaining about the alternate versions of existing characters , and will dramatically draw away from the revisioning. There is scope for more story and of course much better visual effects, but otherwise i am very sceptical. There was room to examine the remainder of the Crusade story line at the very least in a continuation, but who knows.
Why not write new stories? Why does even JMS need to remake it for "modern audiences"? My bet it will be like many other "modern" versions of such shows.
Don't do a reboot, you can't replace some of the original actors and the roles they made to perfection. Lets just create a new story that takes place after sheridan dies and grow from there. That would be much better and keep the original intact.
When there was a foreshadowing in a dream, then that same scene came up a couple seasons later, I was blown away that there was so much forethought and planning into a TV series. Before that I had never seen such careful plot planning in a story arc before that. It really blew me away that they had a full arc planned out of that magnitude.
Rewatching B5 as enjoying three reaction channels doing a first watches. The show was great until the cancellation messed with the 4th season. Not to mention with 5th season the new network sticking their finger in to stir things up beyond the distraction created by the cancellation. Then the network killed Crusade because they didn't understand the audience. However some of the things JMS has done and said over time causes me some concern in today's environment. I fear whatever network picks up the tab will have their own agenda which JMS may be too inclined to support. Just hope it doesn't diminish the original like several other re-make / re-imaginings have done to other classic shows. Unfortunately it will probably be on a pay streaming service which I will not subscribe to.
Most of the streamers are losing money, and the studios keep making more shallow crap for "Modern Audiences". I hears a while ago that of the 200 (or more) series on TV, cable, and streaming only about 20 have any appreciable audience. The other thing I heard is that after these "popular" series end almost nobody watches them later, while reruns of Friends and other things made in the 90s, 80s, and older, end up having larger audiences which keep watching them. I suspect a B5 reboot will have a president Clark as a Trump lookalike, assuming Trump wins the election, and any timeless entertainment and philosophical value of this series will be sacrificed to make current political and cultural points, thus making the series dated and dull within 5 years.
The changes to the original story won't happen this time. (Hopefully) The issues with O'hare required the change. The changes were handled well though. Hopefully it will be well done.
I would prefer no reboot since I don’t trust Hollywood, especially if Warner continues to have influence with it. They have so many fantastic IP and they end up botching them all. I trust Straczynski more than others, but we’ve seen how some people change over time. I’ll use Doctor Who’s supposed returning savior, Russell T. Davies, as an example.
All evidence points to a very, very high probability that this franchise will be absolutely wrecked, and the triumphs and fantastic performances of the original series will be nudged aside. Which will be particularly criminal given that many of those great moments are the work of people who are no longer with us. Seriously, watch the season 3 finale monologue again, and tell me you're still eager for a reboot. That's what you'll be losing. "There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition... to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us; we know only that it is always born... in pain."
If it was ANY other person than the Creator of B5... I would have an absolute *bleep*fit over this reboot. I'm Generation X... I grew up with B5 as one of my favorite sci-fi series, and movies. The continuity throughout and staying true to the material throughout make this one of my all time favorites. I am leary of the reboot, but with Him at the helm, I'll give it a chance. I just hope I'm not disappointed.
the only "exciting update" I want to hear is they're cancelling the reboot. it doesn't need a reboot. tell new stories. the old stories don't need to be redone for "modern audiences" (please read that in a Critical Drinker accent) tell the dilgar war. or the psi corps war. or anything else. but don't reboot.
B5 has so many failed spin-offs I'm very sceptical this will work. JMS just hasn't been able to capture the magic of the original show, and I have to be honest, Legend of the Rangers was truly dreadful, I'm concerned that B5 was a fluke or that JMS just had one really good idea in him.
Seems like his biggest problem was his unwillingness to step away from the B5 story itself. All the spin-offs were still firmly anchored to that main story - he never seemed to have the balls to just be like, "Here's the story of some group of adventurers who go looking for a dead world rumoured to have ancient magical technologies - along the way they find themselves at odds with IPX, alien governments, and ultimately the mysteries of the First Ones... but not the Vorlons or the Shadows, just one of the other First Ones and their legacy, unrelated to anything else in the show." Or hell, just properly draw a line under B5 and do something entirely new.
What is so sad is there are so many good ideas out there. It is my dream that we see a new sci-fi show based on creating a whole new genre of pure Sci fi, where technology is a big part of a new story about aliens and adventure and traveling the universe. Don't concentrate too much on each character, no woke characters at all, just good clean fun. We don't need to see women kissing or men with 10 minutes of dialogue embracing in bed. I want Sci fi, where sex is a very small unseen part of the show, that's all.
I’ll believe they have captured the genie again when I see it. I hope they can, but I fear the rampant fall of society into divergent ideologies puts all character driven stories at risk. It doesn’t really matter which “side” as real characters should be like people, blended and unique. Give us individuals of great moral conflict that are deeper than the shallow ideological ideas shooting around these days, and we will have another masterpiece to enjoy. Fingers crossed 🤞
One thing I would like to point out, JMS has a bit of a history of getting at loggerheads with studio execs. The end result of these interactions, usually ended up with JMS walking away from his show. This happened with Jericho for example. I am sure JMS was in the 'right' during his various fights (he had them during B5 too). My feelings on reboots or 'reimagining's' hasn't changed. I am skeptical that even JMS could get 'his' vision on screen, any screen, in the current environment. There is no substitute for good storytelling and B5 was about as good as Sci-fi storytelling got. Westworld for example, was good for exactly ONE season, then turned to complete shyt. Other shows, dont even get that far. B5 is my favorite IP. Got the entire series, and movie collection on DVD. I really would hate to see it get ruined as well, by a 'modern' 'reboot'
The Expanse is just about the only show that has ever rivalled Babylon 5... and of course that had the benefit of being faithfully adapted from a set of books, so the actual story part was already done.
With the original having been altered, handicapped by inaccessibility of writers and always being under cancellation stress, it will be interesting to see what he can do without those or even some of those issues. I’m optimistic.
I love B5 and watched it when it was on TV, I regard it as my favourite SF series of all times. But it is sad that so many of the main cast has left us already and so many at a fairly young age.
@@angelspawn1401 Two in their forties and six in their Early sixties OF THE MAIN CAST, in a country with a life expectancy that is around 77. I did not say they were youngsters but relatively young to pass away.
After finally getting Babylon 5 on Blu Ray, that's all I want to have happen with the series. I don't want any "reimaging" of this beloved series, even one created by JMS himself. Time changes people, Russel Davies/Doctor Who proved that. Babylon 5 is PERFECT... just let it be!
I'm not optimistic at this point to be honest. It would be interesting to see how the show would go if they managed to keep the cast from pilot to final as originally intended. Its actually amazing how few characters made it the whole way through. Garibaldi, Daleen, Gkar, Londo.... I think thats it. Lyta kinda, but she left then came back so I'm not sure that counts. Takashima only appeared in the pilot before being replaced by Ivonava... who then left to be replaced by Lockley. 5 seasons of Sinclair???? How does that work out with the whole Valen thing? Does he go back at the end of season 5? Remember he went back before the truth about the Shadow/Vorlon thing came out. Does he really go back and keep his mouth shut??
“Reimagining” 🙄 I have very little faith this will be any good even with the original creator involved. Hopefully JMS impresses us but I remain extremely skeptical.
B5, best show ever even if Top Gear came along and almost knocked it down a peg. Can you imagine Jeremy Clarkson in a star fury? "I have a Lamborghini tractor and my genius! How hard could THIS be-------------------------> (insert horrible accident here). Anyway, lovely news. JMS back in the B5 saddle. I'm chuffed.
As a big fan and who watched it religiously when it first came out, and i have the full collectors DVD libary, not sure how i feel about a reboot...some things need to be left alone with its legacy in history preserved...
FWIW: The only thing I want to see is the conclusion of the CRUSADE/Drakh War storyline. UNFORTUNATELY, I learned last year [2023] with the release of the CGI direct to home video production that JMS apparently does not own the rights to that story...😞 F--K TURNER NETWORK TELEVISION for sabotaging the TV show *CRUSADE,* and F--K WARNER BROS for squelching the CRUSADE sequel movie *THE MEMORY OF SHADOWS.*
Load of rubbish. B5 can never be rebooted, all the characters we cared about are gone. The Legend of the Rangers proved that, it was abysmal and looked like Disney did it.
JMS wants to turn B5 into a CHOSE-ONE-STORY? NOOOOO! Seriously, the Valen thing in the series was well done (closed time loop!), but otherwise no pre-determined chosen ones! Please! They usually make for bad stories!
Absolutely adored B5. Loved Crusade. Bought the VHS, DVDs, the full set of magazines, calendars and other memorabilia. Even the B5 cookbook. Loved the canon tie-in novels (and they would have been great programmes). Went to the Blackpool Wolf359 4 day conference post season3 UK broadcast. Amazing experience with the full cast and main production crew. Sadly I was disappointed with the Road Home; having recently seen the quality of the Clone Wars animation I thought the B5 animation looked a little flat, so maybe that was part of it. A reboot? With live actors maybe - if JMS has full creative control.
Unfortunately, if reboots of B5 or Firefly were to happen, odds are they would either suck or be good and then be cancelled after just 1 or two seasons. Soo few good or decent shows are shown anymore. I guess in the end it just depends on what people want. Myself, I have no use for the so-called reality TV shows.
If JMS wants to tell more stories within the original Babylon 5 continuity, I'm all for it, but NO REBOOT! I'm not about to waste time on this show, even if by some miracle it ever manages to claw its way out of development hell.
some huge alien shoes to fill. Casting was superb.. several "parts' will be hard to duplicate.. Londo and G'Kars conflicts, resolutions, etc,, were SO key, so well defined, so well written and acted.. wow.. Sheridan and De'lenn, Garabaldi, Ivanova... I am completely open to a new version... but, it will have to be able to separate itself from the previous one, with more than just much updated CGI.. the Story will have to be up to snuff.. and the acting.. we can give them time to develop characters, just as B5 needed time.. season 2 was a big leap over Season 1.. so.. here;'s to hoping they get this kicked into high gear .. eventually..
Oh. My. Lord. So many whiny man-children in the comments painting a picture most grim on how the B5 reboot can only fail as Hollywood has changed for the worse. Newsflash: It's a project with the OG writer at the helm. A person with integrity so strong that he buries stuff if he can't do it his way. That had an extensive 'production bible' on how people and organisations that are recurring are to be portrayed by writers other than him. You really believe that, if this sees the light of day, it is not turning out EXACTLY as JMS has intended to turn out?
Why Warner Bros Michael ??? - a another kiddie movie maker , make the lowest quality avaible and replace set wtih computergenerated bad products thats more uninterresting than old blocky sgi , Will we see woke characters , actores in early 20s as kernals ? a 18 year old as the "president" -Making business like that look more like a tpical cause of "greed" and I guess the shadows from B5 making the story bad as just their goal to make shadows again the shadows in the shadows. Good stuff Michael....
So it won't be Babylon 5: it'll be in a different universe/timeline. Although the reboot of Battlestar Galactica was watchable, it lacked the high-spirited comedy of the original. I haven't watched the Westworld series yet. JMS could have made the new series about some new major conflict AFTER the Shadow War: B5 still had 15 years of life in it before it was blown up in the last episode of the existing 5 season arc.
Unfortunately, Warner Bros and the CW are woke as can be. If they have a say in the new B5 series they will "The Last Jedi" the crap out of it. Also, the reimagining of Battlestar Galactica and West World although they have strengths like art direction, action, and the acting was top notch.. the stories were horrible and the characters in BSG (I could only watch a few episodes of WW) were not sympathetic... the only person you wanted to live was President Roslin... all the others were stuffed self serving aholes... The Cylons were dumbed down and the entire series was a mockery of GOD, with each episode a who is doing who moment... not to mention they gender swapped Commander Cain and made her an admiral not commander... and she was apparently gay (South Park got that right) So with JMS helming the series hopefully he puts the breaks on the woke nonsense and hatred of traditional families and faith... otherwise it will crash and burn fast. The original BSG, WW, and B5 possessed a priceless charm... The reboots of the former two expunged that charm for debauchery and grime... Perhaps B5 will escape that fate..
LEAVE IT ALONE. Sheridan is not Sheridan unless he goes through the boy scout officer to mythical figure. Delenn is not Delenn unless she becomes part human. Londo is the ultimate tragic figure, you love him for that. G'Kar goes from blind retribution to a savior for this people. I could go on. The ONLY reboot, would be to use AI, CGI to clean up the VHS-video quality of the originals and add all new graphics to replace the Amiga ones on the original. B5 rotating smoothly would be nice!
I still not understand why JMS need actually REBOOT of the series? He has unfinished Crusade, a lot of books (telepaths, technomages…), and a lot still unshowed time periods (war with dilgars, first shadow war…). I personally do not want new “reimagine” series will be created. B5 is still good (and old BSG is not).
I loved the original B5 series, but the CGI effects have not aged well. I would love to see an updated reboot. However, I feel like the word, 'Reimagined', is code for 'Updated for modern audiences' which is code for 'Woke as Fuck'. And, personally, I'm done watching my favorite IP travel that path and die on that altar.
My hopes for this are - That the reboot is more like Seasons 1-4 and not at all like Season 5 And that it has none of the ultra wokeness of anything by Disney etc these days I dont honestly think i can watch Wokeness destroy another classic sci-fi show To clarify, for the mouth foaming leftists already about to accuse me of being right wing I have no problem with inclusivity and diversity, but i would prefer to see it more in line with actual demographics I am sick of shows that have a 10-15 main cast, and 6 of them are some version of LGBT and there is only one white man In my country, we are about 78% white, and about 3% LGBT, i realise America is nearer to 60% white and 5% LGBT This is fine Lets be representative of actual demographics and not just assume that almost nobody is white or straight
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Just finished rewatching the original with my wife.. it never gets old. Its been my favoite since I was a kid.
Same
Wish they had made a show about the ranger's and maybe a second season of crusade.
Personally, I don't want a reboot or to be made foe the modern audience. I just want a graphical remaster akin to Star Trek 2.0. Put some Expanse-level of CGI but leave the live shots alone. The cast (the remaining) are irreplaceable.
Personally, I don't want a reboot or to be made foe the modern audience. I just want a graphical remaster akin to Star Trek 2.0. Put some Expanse-level of CGI but leave the live shots alone. The cast (the remaining) are irreplaceable.
@@rogermckinnon5738They tried with that Legend of the Rangers dribble, but yeah, a second season or third of Crusade would have been nice.
I hope it is a blend of the Original Plan and the series that we wound up with. I want to see the B4 heist but in the original plan vs giving it to Valen!
I would rather a new idea. Could jms do a story about a colony ship in a universe with no hyperspace maybe on a 1000 year journey and maybe no aliens, at least at the start. I think people like a mix of weekly A plot, story arc and some light relief plots. Maybe also put the latest science into the story.
Very interesting 🤔. I respectfully disagree but I like your angle. But, you can't take away hyperspace and Aliens. Lol. Okay, take away hyperspace but we keep all the Aliens. Now, that's compromise. Stay safe 😅
I loved Babylon 5 and have watched the series through several times. Would be very excited at the prospect of a new and fresh series in the future!
I'm on the fence with this one. If it were just a reboot, I'd say hard no. However, with JMS still at the helm the way he was with the original series back in the 90s, I'm willing to test the waters (though I would like to see cameos from the remaining original cast). Barring this, I would _really_ like to see a remastered version of the original with updated CGI.
This was one of my favorite shows growing up. The story line was complex and often took us in unexpected directions, the characters were extremely well written and fleshed out, and they tackled moral problems in realistic ways (particularly Mr. Garibaldi's recovery from alcohol addiction, which actor Jerry Doyle tacked in real life; as well as Garibaldi using his recovery to help his friend Dr. Franklin with drug addiction).
Gosh, I remember way back in what must be early 1994 loving Babylon 5.
I was an avid Amiga gamer too so loved the fact that all it's revolutionary CGI was done on an Amiga with a Video Toaster.
I especially loved that the squadron of attack fighters didn't 'bank on invisible space air' and instead used thrusters to alter their course.
It would be fascinating to see a reboot.
That’s one thing that always lives with me - the spaceship mechanics were _realistic!_ The design of the Starfury (putting the pilot upright and at the centre of the craft) is still inspired. And having them drop out of Cobra Bays, using what is essentially a fuel-free radial launching system.
No re-imagining please. There is no other G'kar, there is no other Delenn, there is no other Vir, there is no other Franklin.
JMS is a decorated veteran of television production hell. B5 was almost cancelled multiple times during the original five year run, and he always found ways of keeping it alive and running.
Faith Manages.
Wish he could have found a way to keep Crusade running until it had a better story conclusion, the way B5 did.
Delenn😢@@khyronthethunderhawg6577
@@steadholderharrington9035 TNT made that impossible.
@@angelspawn1401 Doesn't stop the wishing though.
I remember the first time watching Babylon 5 in 1994. I was intrigued by the Kosh storyline. Then the Shadow ship appears and carves up the Raider Mothership like a Sunday roast! I was hooked!
Google Babylon Prime.
What hooked me was acidentally catching the last episode of Season 1, having never watched any of it earlier. I was left stunned, wondering what the heck was going on? And then, when I tuned in at the start of next season … and nothing was really resolved, nothing was "reset" to the way it was before, like all TV shows beforehand did, and then the episode after that didn't resolve everything, and then the episode after that _partly_ resolved things but also just raised _more questions_ … yeah, that's when I was hooked.
As JMS himself said, he "knocked over all of the tables and chairs," but not only _didn't_ immediately put everything back where it was, but "put things back, but not really the same". That's what intrigued me and kept me coming back for more.
I don’t want to see a reboot of this series. Modern hollywood is not capable of recreating the original in any capacity. Modern hollywood would never allow for characters like Garabaldi, Lando, and frankly even Sheridan to exist without tacking baggage to destroy what made them compelling in the first place.
The original still holds up. Just make a remastered version with new cgi.
Google Babylon Prime.
Do we have the actor's of the calibre of those who have travelled beyond the rim, to make a 'reboot' as succesful as the original?
@@neil999ish i could see Nathan Fillion as one of the station's captains and Gina Carano as Susan Ivanova and that is just right now without any longer brain storm.
Stana Katic as Lyta Alexander is another one, that would probably fit.
I don't want to see a reboot of the events on Babylon station 2257-2262.
I want to see the Crusade plot line completed, and explore the universe outside Babylon station
I want to see a typical cruiser crew in the Dilgar war.
I want to see an Interstellar Alliance expeditionary force defeat the Drakh, and the events leading to the expulsion of the Drakh from Centauri Prime.
I want to see the Telepath War.
There are so many stories to tell in the Babylon 5 universe; I don't want to see the same story. I don't want to see a "reimagining" of the same story. I don't want mirror universe stories. I want *new* stories. I don't want an all-new universe borrowing the Babylon 5 name, I want to see a continuation of the universe we know from the original series.
Im picking up what you are stepping in. i forgot about the telepath wAr. Sooooo kool
I don't want them to touch any of it until the woke nonsense is over. This series is going to be chock full of it and it will ruin any story telling, just like it does everywhere else they shoe-horn it in.
It would be great if s series would set the son of John and Delenn in the Focus
you don't think greatmaker [ stracynski ] can do even better with all his experience acquired since to do a reboot ? yep i would like to see a reboot but only if stracynski produce it and writes for it ...
@@zarroth Did you even pay attention to any of Babylon 5? I mean the show was pretty “ woke “ to begin with it regularly touched on political, religious , cultural and racial issues I mean before they decided to make Delenn a hybrid the original idea was for the character to from male to female which is why the character looks more masculine in the pilot movie
As a long-time Babylon 5 fan, I will believe it's happening when it's happening. That doesn't mean I'm not super excited for the possibility. I really hope it happens.
With the original creator in charge we know there will be no STD equivalent farce.
If this actually happens, would love to see the original stories/plot lines that were dropped due to various circumstances (like actors dropping out) be actually done. For example, that whole plot line with Talia that was being built up and then suddenly dropped would be nice to actually see.
When I first watched the series.. and back then not knowing why.. It had always bothered me how Jason Ironheart didnt detect the hidden personality in Talia.. and not seeing what happened next after her receiving the gift.
Talia was being set up as the Leta Alexander character in the plot line. The hidden personality was the trapdoor JMS had in to get the character out. Seeing Talia use Telekinesis would have been as interesting as Leta's Vorlon augmentation.
@@MrCykotickiwi Well, it actually _does_ make sense: Ironheart was trying to (1) avoid being caught; and (2) trying not to accidentally destroy everything around him by his growing power. So yeah, he was kinda distracted. And, he wasn't really all that deep in Talia's mind at the time.
"Reimagined" is a warning word when it comes to current day media.
Besides that it is generally the lazy way.
I hope they don't fuck it up.
Agreed, the original is my all time favorite scifi series. When it comes to re-imagining I hope they do something like what happened in the scifi series Andromeda, though technically not a re-imagining they still altered a lot of the series between season three and four.
The usual way they do fuck it up is with cardboard cutouts of "strong female characters" who are not two of those three things. Joe knows how to write strong women, and although he has written a few weak ones, he doesn't like them much because they're not interesting characters.
If Joe Straczynski is making the reboot of his own universe, I will trust him to do it well unless or until he shows me that he didn't. Not every idea he has is amazing-the B5 spinoff movies for TNT were hit and miss, and Legend of the Rangers was not great either. But I will still trust the Great Maker has plans if he intends to reshape the universe. Faith manages.
oh expect it to be severely woke. imo no point in watching anything that's put out nowadays as it all indoctrination and propaganda.
JMS would be doing the re-write himself. He will only do it if he can do it his way...
Dont mess it up or the fanboys and fangirls will end you, and put you 6 feet under (if polite).
I want a prequel, 1000 years earlier timeline. Yeah, the buildup to the first Shadow war.
So no earth....but Kublai Khan ascended to the throne of Mongol Empire.
Perhaps, but the Vorlons had been visiting Earth in earlier centuries so who knows?@@davidoldham1946
Valen or more specifically the man who played him if I am correct is no longer with us neither is mira
@@brimstonewinpete9306 Actually, that would be the Babylon 4 story with Jeffrey Sinclair as the Minbari not of Minbari. If you watched the series through and through, you know what I mean by that saying. One, it doesn't retread the past (other than the incidental connection to the original series with Jeffrey Sinclair but goes into what happened in the first shadow war. So it is a reboot and then WHAT happened to BABYLON 4 since the Shadow War. That can be a whole series into itself including the interstellar politics THEN! Which I would not be surprised is not all too different than politics on earth and during Babylon 5's time. Surprising history isn't all that different than today and likely even in the future in a time like Babylon 5.
You'd have the Bzyantine Empire on Earth back then. No Earth, little interest.
The only thing I’d want is a “remaster” with modern graphics for the CGI
Google Babylon Prime.
Same here. No woke "reimagined" version. That would probably suck.
I really prefer a prequel or a sequel because is better that and the producer have more ground to make new stories related with B5
I remember a friend at the time said a 5 year story arc sounds stupid or a bad idea. ( he changed his mind around season two ) 😂
Every heretic has a chance for redemption. One chance that is.
@@kgjung2310 indeed 😆
I was so sick of formulaic tv shows. Babylon 5 was a breath of fresh air. I hope it underpins another revolution and brings storytelling on tv another step further. At the very least I hope JMS is able to tell the story he wants to tell without constant threat of cancellation.
@@lucypeace6132Never gonna gonna happen, even the OG season 5 was rushed badly, but I will watch B5 over DS9- Nine times out of Ten, it is worth it. Can you say Captivating.
When they start thinking they need to tweak it for “modern audiences”, I hope somebody reminds them that today’s modern audience is still over 200 years in the past of B5. No need to change a damn thing.
Modern Audiences= Gnarn
Just so long as JMS is onboard and running the show...I will keep the faith of the Rangers.
He can put out some stinkers never forget he wrote legend of the Rangers too
I'm skeptical. Reboots in the current year suck. Yet I will give the benefit of the doubt. If they do an animated spin off of the alternate timeline introduced in Road Home, it would work.
Google Babylon Prime.
*I ❤️ BABYLON 5!!!!!*
That said, regarding a B5 reboot:
*_"Hope for the best and expect the worst. That way you will never be disappointed."_*
Babylon 5 fan with this belief.........
"Expect the worst and you will sometimes get a surprise "
I'm a big B5 fan, got all the DVDs for all seasons and movies, including "The Road Home". I'd love to see a reboot.
Google Babylon Prime.
Babylon 5 is and always will be the most important piece of fiction in my life. It has inspired me throughout my life and helped me overcome terrible situations. Babylon 5 means the world to me. So believe me when I say I want this new version to succeed in honoring its predecessor. I'd be extremely skeptical if this new series was being created and produced by a whole new team. However, JMS himself is the one attempting to bring it to our screens! He is an excellent writer with the best understanding of his previous work. Additionally, he's had much more experience with writing and producing since B5 ended. He is yearning to use all of his talents to tell a new, wonderful story that will pay tribute to the original. I think this is amazing! All the folks saying for them to "leave B5 alone" and "not to ruin it" don't understand one simple, basic truth: the original series will always be there. You can always go back and watch it, rewatch it, hang out with Garibaldi, enjoy the frenemy bond/rivalry of G'Kar and Londo, and have your heart broken by the best series finale ever to air with Sleeping in Light. Those episodes and the original movies will always be there. If the new reboot stinks, trust me when I say I'll be going back there! However, JMS brought B5 into existence once. It was wonderful! However, as much as I love B5 it was also plagued by production issues and cancellation issues. The original plan for the Shadow/Earth Alliance conflicts had to be rushed due to a near certain cancellation. Then when they got picked up for a final season JMS had to adapt. Don't get me wrong, some of the very best episodes are from Season 5. Unfortunately, so are some of the worst. JMS wants to do right by his life's work and bring a new version of B5 to modern audiences. And I think that's great! The show was there for me when I needed it in some rather terrible times. I think we owe it to him to trust his vision. We also owe it to potential new viewers to be supportive of JMS' attempts to bring B5 forward for them. It helped me and continues to inspire me in almost every aspect of my life. People need good role models, positive stories about what's right, what's wrong, and how to deal with adversity. I trust JMS. He won't let us down. I, too, am cynical concerning recent productions and the terrible writing of some of those programs. But this is JMS himself bringing it to us. He'll do a fantastic job. And while I'm not religious myself, sometimes "faith manages." Be hopeful. Don't let the world grind you down to a point where you can't even give the creator of Babylon 5 a chance to bring it back. For goodness sake, with everything going on in the world now, dammit, we need Babylon 5 more than ever.
Yes this exactly.
Thank you for the statement, I feel you Brotha. The special effects on this show were amazing, the characters were very complex and interesting, the history of the Alien races was fascinating, the walkabout episodes with the Dr. ( That was some deep stuff) The shadow Aliens were super scary. Hopefully,we can see a reboot. I gladly trust the story telling of JMS, and if they incorporate the multiverse ANYTHING is possible. Stay safe. Peace
That's a statement I can sign. He'll do right by the source material or he'll walk away. He has proven he will do so by burying Crusade after corporate meddling. So on this front, I have absolutely no concerns.
And for the people complaining about 'woke culture in Hollywood nowadays': Have you taken a good, close look at the cast and roles in clasic B5? They were what we nowadays call 'woke' back in the 90s already. Only that it's not served with a sledgehammer to the forehead. And again: As JMS has proven he can do this in the original series, I'll be damned if he forgotte how to do that in this day and age.
So best leave the man be in regards of demands, wishes and propositions for the reboot. It's his baby, he knows best how to do justice by the source material while showing off how he has developed as a writer over the last quarter of a century.
Just want to see the Techno Mages again.
Read the trilogy, "The Passing of the Techno-Mages"... ;)
It seems that Sinclair may be erased from the timeline. Even suffering from mental illness Michael O'Hare put a mark of distinction on B5 that should not be forgotten.
I noticed that as well, and that made me sad :(
I wonder if his roll continues to exist, just never as the commander of B5. I can see the Mimbari after recognizing the 'life fource' of Valen in him and the legend that Valen himself gave the Mimbari of the Rangers, that the Mimbari may have directly worked with him to develop the Rangers.
I'd also like to see more involvement of the Technomages myself. It was kind of a 'weekly Savior type thing' on Excalibur, but I can see Galen being introduced earlier, and having several intersecting arcs with the main story of B5 station. No he's no where near as important of a character as Sinclair in the roll he had, but I've a long suspicion that there were a lot of people who enjoyed the Galen character from the perspective of seeing competent technology people as various types of Wizards at the time. That said, what counts as 'competent' these days mostly amounts to 'they have a bunch of paper that says they can do this stuff, but 3 years of work in related fields for experience." vs. people who spend their lives building their fundamental understanding of the field, and demonstrating that knowledge and understanding, in what they do, with little ceremony. Besides, I liked how the technomage arrived at one meeting, was advised that spy devices were forbidden, and blew apart one or more of Londo's monitoring devices in the room. Just me perhaps.
I would have preferred Sinclair for the reboot, it would have given more legitimacy to it not just being a pale imitation of the original. With that I am kinda worried that they might go the same way as Strange New Worlds did with Kirk.
I'm thinking that the best option might be to have Sinclare replace Warren Keffer in the original series and add Commander Sinclair as the Starfury Wing Commander and give him a unique dynamic with the Station X.O. Lt. Commander Ivonava that can still recieve het promotion mid series. This could also lead to a cheesy plot point for an episode where Sheridan is missing and Sinclare and Ivonava butt heads because of a difference of opinion on how to proceed with the Search and rescue. They can still have Sinclare there at Menbari request and maybe even as the station commander for part of the pilot to be relieved by Sheridan. they could even play up the dynamic of Sinclair not being Earthforce's first choice as the reaso for the last second substitution. But that is just one possible thought on the topic.
@@nickm9102 it's a creative solution and fitting with canon since Sinclair was a starfury pilot, except that Warren Keffer was a character that JMS hated and who was forced into the show by execs. The execs absolutely wanted a hotshot pilot and a shootemup show which was something JMS hated. I can't see JMS doing good things to that type of character even if he's named Sinclair.
IMHO, Sinclair was so much better than "Johnny Nukem" Sheridan. Sinclair was a much deeper, much more dignified character. I'm hoping that JMS honors the memory of Micheal O'Hare by keeping Sinclair's story intact.
I really don't want them to reboot this series.
Google Babylon Prime.
I've been a B5 fan since the pilot movie, the Gathering. I watched all seasons, the TV movies, even the spinoff. I am hopeful we'll get new B5 especially if JMS writes it. I love the show, but also look forward to a new spin on it, especially since JMS has even said he has grown as a writer, so I want to see what he brings us.
Cheers
The original was nearly perfect. Star Trek upgraded the graphics on the space scenes. I'd like to B5 get that treatment.
I bet it wouldn’t be 22 episodes per season. Probably more like 10.
Yup... the Standard Hollywierd, "Less for more" formula...
"I can't help but wonder why they (WB) didn't decide to air the reboot on Max Streaming Service"
Answer - Money
If they do that, they have to pay for it. If they sell it to someone else, the buyer will pay for it (well most of it, anyway).
I am not sure aboout this. I would almost prefer redoing all the graphics of the original, new space footage. But I just cannot imagine how they will find a new actor to do G'Kar, Andreas was just perfect for the role.
Sadly, true.
I also hope whoever is Na'toth channels "Julie Caitlin". (I know she is still alive, but you know what I mean.)
For all the actor's chosen for their roles B5, who is out there now that could take their place?
@@neil999ish that is the problem for me. So many of the original actors just defined the role and made it theirs.
my favorite scene will always be when they first introduced the Shadows.
Mine is a tossup between Vir's little wave, and when Londo's security team insures that his last talk with Morden is secure from the Shadows, just before he detonates the bombs that eliminate the rest of the shaddows from Centauri. He at least figured out that there was a cost to the decision he'd made, that went beyond losing the lady he loved. I think he turned into a far braver character than he was credited with, especially when he worked out what the creature that got placed around his neck was susceptible to.
B5 IS THE GREATEST SYFY STORY EVER! Its still my Favorite 25 years later! I look forward to revisiting this universe!!!
SG1 claims that honor...except for SG Universe. That was a stinker.
I was a superfan, eventually writing licensed products. That said, I view a reboot with nothing but trepidation, in this day and age. I fear the odds of a good result are slim, since JMS was held back from some of his intentions, unlikely to happen now. If anything, his wilder ideas would be pushed as not far enough. I fear the show runners know far less about how things work nowadays, actors are not as believable as responsible adults, and JMS will be forced to let modern writers do more of the work.
JMS said he saw the whole story in a moment of clarity, and I kept saying that the farther he got from that moment, the worse his ideas held together.
Straczynski needs another passion project where he calls the shots. I think there's enough in him for at least one good series. Not sure if Babylon 5 reboot is it. It feels like a group of people in the last decade or so like going around and ruining old IP's. Just going around and destroying IP's.
Yeah seems a shame that someone evidently so talented can't do something new. I mean the dude did Murder She Wrote, but he can't give us another sci-fi IP?
A little disappointed in the pilot synopsis. I was hoping this would be an opportunity to see a version of B5 that follows Jeff Sinclair through his original 5 year arc. We’ve seen Sheridans story..,
JMS’ talking about not wanting to retread but still going with a reboot is kind of a joke. You want to go over new ground? Move the timeline forward 30-40 years and have us follow the son of Sheridan and Delenn. Do it in a way where the original show is barely referenced and re-introduce this universe for a new audience.
The reality is everything JMS did post season 4 m, B5 and not B5 has been pretty mediocre. The man had one GREAT story in him, and he burned himself out doing it. I simply do not believe that lightning will strike twice. The original will always be there on blu ray thankfully.
Loved the original.
Not holding my breath for a reboot.
Odd B5 trvia game: naming beloved actors who played in the original series are *not* lost, obscure, or dead.
If it doesn't have "Get the hell out of our galaxy", then I don't want it.
I am afraid. I am very very afraid. To me, the original B5 was perfection. Well written, visually stunning, great stories and sub-plots. And the characters? Perfection. But in 2034/2024? In the age of Woke? DEI? All the nonsense out there in the world that tends to ruin things? What are we going to get? What kind of craziness will the studios introduce into the B5 universe? And am I the only one out there who thinks that just because you can do a thing, you should do a thing? Can't we just leave B5 alone? Unmolested? Not ruined? I guess if JMS in kept involved, things might turn out alright. But in this day and age, with the poor caliber of people running things, I don't hold out a lot of hope.
Reboot is code for we need to corrupt because we cannot create original things anymore.
I don't have faith in JMS to recreate the greatness of Babylon 5, because I watched about half of that Sense8 show he made.
So this comment got deleted.
"Reboot is code for we have to corrupt becuase we cannot create anymore"
Trash tube
Woke, diverse, and inclusive science fiction? Is such a thing even possible? Yes, and I’ll bet you love it, despite your protestations.
Star Trek (The Original Series) had an Asian, an African (and a female one at that!), a Russian, and a half-alien on the bridge serving in important roles.
Star Trek: The Next Generation had a handicapped (blind) African-American steering the spaceship, a robot, a grumpy Klingon, and another half-alien on the bridge. And the captain was *gasp* bald! Scandal! And he was played by a European actor! That’s so unAmerican!
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine had a *double gasp* African-American commander! A lady first officer! The doctor is Indian (and played by an actor with a Middle Eastern name)! Will the war on White Males never end?!
Did I fail to mention that your beloved un-woke and un-DEI Babylon 5 had a budding romance between Ivanova and Talia? A woman Pope? Franklin and Marcus posing as a newlywed couple on their honeymoon?
Sorry, bro. You don’t need to worry about “the woke” taking over Babylon 5, or Commie-Nazi DEI indoctrinating a generation of sci-fi viewers. It’s already happened. It happened a long time ago. Babylon 5 is not the poster child of the White American Male way of life; it’s the opposite. Like all good sci-fi, Babylon 5 shows us our future, and the future is made of infinite diversity in infinite combinations.
@@Gregory11811u really don’t get it.
I'm still unconvinced as to why you would want to reboot a perfect series, let's just say i'm hoping for the best but i'm prepared for the usual reboot/re-imagined rubbish. Personally i would have preferred a new a fresh story in the same universe, or even a continuation of Crusade.
I do not like the idea of a Babylon 5 reboot as such, the show had too many iconic performances by many great actors. I think that a reboot will just have people comparing and complaining about the alternate versions of existing characters , and will dramatically draw away from the revisioning. There is scope for more story and of course much better visual effects, but otherwise i am very sceptical. There was room to examine the remainder of the Crusade story line at the very least in a continuation, but who knows.
Why not write new stories? Why does even JMS need to remake it for "modern audiences"?
My bet it will be like many other "modern" versions of such shows.
The Shadow War was the most interesting part of the B5 universe. Not including it I think would be a mistake.
I'd love to see all B5 animated like in The Road Home,
Then continued,
Maybe even give Crusade the same treatment and actually conclude it properly.
Don't do a reboot, you can't replace some of the original actors and the roles they made to perfection. Lets just create a new story that takes place after sheridan dies and grow from there. That would be much better and keep the original intact.
When there was a foreshadowing in a dream, then that same scene came up a couple seasons later, I was blown away that there was so much forethought and planning into a TV series. Before that I had never seen such careful plot planning in a story arc before that. It really blew me away that they had a full arc planned out of that magnitude.
No Sinclair this time? At least will we have Zathras? Or maybe Zathras?
If we can't have them maybe we could have Zathras.
My favorite is still ZathRAS... He was way cooler than ZaTHras... ;)
You can never have too many Zathras, or is it Zathri?
@@bilcal Zathrases.... ;)
No wait... he DID say it... "All Family Zathras"... so it IS just, "Zathras"...or was that, "Zathras..."? ;)
Rewatching B5 as enjoying three reaction channels doing a first watches. The show was great until the cancellation messed with the 4th season. Not to mention with 5th season the new network sticking their finger in to stir things up beyond the distraction created by the cancellation. Then the network killed Crusade because they didn't understand the audience. However some of the things JMS has done and said over time causes me some concern in today's environment. I fear whatever network picks up the tab will have their own agenda which JMS may be too inclined to support. Just hope it doesn't diminish the original like several other re-make / re-imaginings have done to other classic shows. Unfortunately it will probably be on a pay streaming service which I will not subscribe to.
Most of the streamers are losing money, and the studios keep making more shallow crap for "Modern Audiences". I hears a while ago that of the 200 (or more) series on TV, cable, and streaming only about 20 have any appreciable audience. The other thing I heard is that after these "popular" series end almost nobody watches them later, while reruns of Friends and other things made in the 90s, 80s, and older, end up having larger audiences which keep watching them. I suspect a B5 reboot will have a president Clark as a Trump lookalike, assuming Trump wins the election, and any timeless entertainment and philosophical value of this series will be sacrificed to make current political and cultural points, thus making the series dated and dull within 5 years.
Tbh I'd rather have a earth final conflict reboot, with the main character actually staying instead of needing to replace him every seasom...
The changes to the original story won't happen this time. (Hopefully)
The issues with O'hare required the change. The changes were handled well though.
Hopefully it will be well done.
It's B5. SOMETHING will happen. Probably a few somethings. "There's always a boom tomorrow."
I would prefer no reboot since I don’t trust Hollywood, especially if Warner continues to have influence with it. They have so many fantastic IP and they end up botching them all. I trust Straczynski more than others, but we’ve seen how some people change over time. I’ll use Doctor Who’s supposed returning savior, Russell T. Davies, as an example.
All evidence points to a very, very high probability that this franchise will be absolutely wrecked, and the triumphs and fantastic performances of the original series will be nudged aside. Which will be particularly criminal given that many of those great moments are the work of people who are no longer with us.
Seriously, watch the season 3 finale monologue again, and tell me you're still eager for a reboot. That's what you'll be losing.
"There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition... to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us; we know only that it is always born... in pain."
Please please please let this series become reality.
OH WOW THANK YOU J MICHAEL STRACZINSKI ...YOUR HEART AND SOUL IN BAB5 WILL CONTINUE AS ONLY YOU "JMS" CAN DO. 💞💞💞💫
start after season 5 but before the destruction of the station itself.
That's basically Babylon Prime.
If it was ANY other person than the Creator of B5...
I would have an absolute *bleep*fit over this reboot.
I'm Generation X... I grew up with B5 as one of my favorite sci-fi series, and movies. The continuity throughout and staying true to the material throughout make this one of my all time favorites.
I am leary of the reboot, but with Him at the helm, I'll give it a chance. I just hope I'm not disappointed.
the only "exciting update" I want to hear is they're cancelling the reboot. it doesn't need a reboot.
tell new stories. the old stories don't need to be redone for "modern audiences" (please read that in a Critical Drinker accent)
tell the dilgar war. or the psi corps war. or anything else. but don't reboot.
NAH! It'll be FINE... ;)
B5 has so many failed spin-offs I'm very sceptical this will work. JMS just hasn't been able to capture the magic of the original show, and I have to be honest, Legend of the Rangers was truly dreadful, I'm concerned that B5 was a fluke or that JMS just had one really good idea in him.
Agree. I don't like how he made so many canon changes if random sci fi magazine's like what he did to G'kar and Marcus.
Seems like his biggest problem was his unwillingness to step away from the B5 story itself. All the spin-offs were still firmly anchored to that main story - he never seemed to have the balls to just be like, "Here's the story of some group of adventurers who go looking for a dead world rumoured to have ancient magical technologies - along the way they find themselves at odds with IPX, alien governments, and ultimately the mysteries of the First Ones... but not the Vorlons or the Shadows, just one of the other First Ones and their legacy, unrelated to anything else in the show."
Or hell, just properly draw a line under B5 and do something entirely new.
What is so sad is there are so many good ideas out there. It is my dream that we see a new sci-fi show based on creating a whole new genre of pure Sci fi, where technology is a big part of a new story about aliens and adventure and traveling the universe. Don't concentrate too much on each character, no woke characters at all, just good clean fun. We don't need to see women kissing or men with 10 minutes of dialogue embracing in bed. I want Sci fi, where sex is a very small unseen part of the show, that's all.
Nail head hit perfectly.
I'm excited. can't wait for the new series
I’ll believe they have captured the genie again when I see it. I hope they can, but I fear the rampant fall of society into divergent ideologies puts all character driven stories at risk. It doesn’t really matter which “side” as real characters should be like people, blended and unique. Give us individuals of great moral conflict that are deeper than the shallow ideological ideas shooting around these days, and we will have another masterpiece to enjoy. Fingers crossed 🤞
B5 was Game of Thrones in space. Really loved that show.
Given that Babylon 5 actually predates the books for Game of Thrones, I'm pretty sure Game of Thrones is simply Babylon 5 set in a fantasy world
GOT would never had happened without B5
game of thrones is violence porn just like fast and the furious is car porn
Game of Thrones. Started reasonable ended up sucking.
@@iain4295 Agreed, the last episode really sucked.
One thing I would like to point out, JMS has a bit of a history of getting at loggerheads with studio execs. The end result of these interactions, usually ended up with JMS walking away from his show. This happened with Jericho for example. I am sure JMS was in the 'right' during his various fights (he had them during B5 too). My feelings on reboots or 'reimagining's' hasn't changed. I am skeptical that even JMS could get 'his' vision on screen, any screen, in the current environment. There is no substitute for good storytelling and B5 was about as good as Sci-fi storytelling got. Westworld for example, was good for exactly ONE season, then turned to complete shyt. Other shows, dont even get that far. B5 is my favorite IP. Got the entire series, and movie collection on DVD. I really would hate to see it get ruined as well, by a 'modern' 'reboot'
The Expanse is just about the only show that has ever rivalled Babylon 5... and of course that had the benefit of being faithfully adapted from a set of books, so the actual story part was already done.
With the original having been altered, handicapped by inaccessibility of writers and always being under cancellation stress, it will be interesting to see what he can do without those or even some of those issues. I’m optimistic.
Back to “woo-hoo”… Warner bros. Is driving me to drink.
I have an idea. Do something original.
I love B5 and watched it when it was on TV, I regard it as my favourite SF series of all times.
But it is sad that so many of the main cast has left us already and so many at a fairly young age.
I don’t think they were all that young. I think JMS started off with relatively accomplished actors instead of a bunch of ‘yutes’
@@angelspawn1401 Two in their forties and six in their Early sixties OF THE MAIN CAST, in a country with a life expectancy that is around 77. I did not say they were youngsters but relatively young to pass away.
'Crusade' was the end of
the story for 'Babylon 5' ,
however , 2nd series of
'Crusade' would be .... ❤
I felt that the 'real' plot of 'Crusade' was only just beginning to emerge: "Who do you serve, and who do you trust?"
@@johnschoneveld3767
hit the nail on the head ,
we need a 2nd series of
Crusade to answer all
these questions .... 🤔
I always worry about reboots. I just wonder why.
I wish they would not reboot it. The original show is a masterpiece (well season 1 to 4, season 5 is shit)
I hope there will be Space Jesuits, even if only as a mention.
Just start over. All new characters
After finally getting Babylon 5 on Blu Ray, that's all I want to have happen with the series. I don't want any "reimaging" of this beloved series, even one created by JMS himself. Time changes people, Russel Davies/Doctor Who proved that.
Babylon 5 is PERFECT... just let it be!
Turning Gold Into Lead. 🙂
Would be great to see a new B5. I bought the old series and still watch the series from time to time.
They will change it and not keep it to it’s true form. Thanks for sharing.
I'm not optimistic at this point to be honest.
It would be interesting to see how the show would go if they managed to keep the cast from pilot to final as originally intended. Its actually amazing how few characters made it the whole way through. Garibaldi, Daleen, Gkar, Londo.... I think thats it. Lyta kinda, but she left then came back so I'm not sure that counts. Takashima only appeared in the pilot before being replaced by Ivonava... who then left to be replaced by Lockley. 5 seasons of Sinclair???? How does that work out with the whole Valen thing? Does he go back at the end of season 5? Remember he went back before the truth about the Shadow/Vorlon thing came out. Does he really go back and keep his mouth shut??
I don't want anything I once enjoyed to be touched and "re-imagined for a modern audience".
A reboot will be a disaster like Battlestar Galactica
“Reimagining” 🙄 I have very little faith this will be any good even with the original creator involved. Hopefully JMS impresses us but I remain extremely skeptical.
B5, best show ever even if Top Gear came along and almost knocked it down a peg. Can you imagine Jeremy Clarkson in a star fury? "I have a Lamborghini tractor and my genius! How hard could THIS be-------------------------> (insert horrible accident here). Anyway, lovely news. JMS back in the B5 saddle. I'm chuffed.
As a big fan and who watched it religiously when it first came out, and i have the full collectors DVD libary, not sure how i feel about a reboot...some things need to be left alone with its legacy in history preserved...
FWIW: The only thing I want to see is the conclusion of the CRUSADE/Drakh War storyline.
UNFORTUNATELY, I learned last year [2023] with the release of the CGI direct to home video production that JMS apparently does not own the rights to that story...😞
F--K TURNER NETWORK TELEVISION for sabotaging the TV show *CRUSADE,* and F--K WARNER BROS for squelching the CRUSADE sequel movie *THE MEMORY OF SHADOWS.*
i am so hopeful for it. i do wonder if there will be returning actors (all be it in different roles) to the franchise?
Load of rubbish. B5 can never be rebooted, all the characters we cared about are gone.
The Legend of the Rangers proved that, it was abysmal and looked like Disney did it.
JMS wants to turn B5 into a CHOSE-ONE-STORY? NOOOOO! Seriously, the Valen thing in the series was well done (closed time loop!), but otherwise no pre-determined chosen ones! Please! They usually make for bad stories!
Absolutely adored B5. Loved Crusade. Bought the VHS, DVDs, the full set of magazines, calendars and other memorabilia. Even the B5 cookbook. Loved the canon tie-in novels (and they would have been great programmes). Went to the Blackpool Wolf359 4 day conference post season3 UK broadcast. Amazing experience with the full cast and main production crew.
Sadly I was disappointed with the Road Home; having recently seen the quality of the Clone Wars animation I thought the B5 animation looked a little flat, so maybe that was part of it.
A reboot? With live actors maybe - if JMS has full creative control.
Unfortunately, if reboots of B5 or Firefly were to happen, odds are they would either suck or be good and then be cancelled after just 1 or two seasons. Soo few good or decent shows are shown anymore. I guess in the end it just depends on what people want. Myself, I have no use for the so-called reality TV shows.
If JMS wants to tell more stories within the original Babylon 5 continuity, I'm all for it, but NO REBOOT! I'm not about to waste time on this show, even if by some miracle it ever manages to claw its way out of development hell.
some huge alien shoes to fill. Casting was superb.. several "parts' will be hard to duplicate.. Londo and G'Kars conflicts, resolutions, etc,, were SO key, so well defined, so well written and acted.. wow.. Sheridan and De'lenn, Garabaldi, Ivanova... I am completely open to a new version... but, it will have to be able to separate itself from the previous one, with more than just much updated CGI..
the Story will have to be up to snuff.. and the acting.. we can give them time to develop characters, just as B5 needed time..
season 2 was a big leap over Season 1..
so.. here;'s to hoping they get this kicked into high gear .. eventually..
Oh. My. Lord. So many whiny man-children in the comments painting a picture most grim on how the B5 reboot can only fail as Hollywood has changed for the worse.
Newsflash: It's a project with the OG writer at the helm. A person with integrity so strong that he buries stuff if he can't do it his way. That had an extensive 'production bible' on how people and organisations that are recurring are to be portrayed by writers other than him. You really believe that, if this sees the light of day, it is not turning out EXACTLY as JMS has intended to turn out?
Why Warner Bros Michael ??? - a another kiddie movie maker , make the lowest quality avaible and replace set wtih computergenerated bad products thats more uninterresting than old blocky sgi , Will we see woke characters , actores in early 20s as kernals ? a 18 year old as the "president" -Making business like that look more like a tpical cause of "greed" and I guess the shadows from B5 making the story bad as just their goal to make shadows again the shadows in the shadows. Good stuff Michael....
So it won't be Babylon 5: it'll be in a different universe/timeline.
Although the reboot of Battlestar Galactica was watchable, it lacked the high-spirited comedy of the original. I haven't watched the Westworld series yet.
JMS could have made the new series about some new major conflict AFTER the Shadow War: B5 still had 15 years of life in it before it was blown up in the last episode of the existing 5 season arc.
Unfortunately, Warner Bros and the CW are woke as can be. If they have a say in the new B5 series they will "The Last Jedi" the crap out of it. Also, the reimagining of Battlestar Galactica and West World although they have strengths like art direction, action, and the acting was top notch.. the stories were horrible and the characters in BSG (I could only watch a few episodes of WW) were not sympathetic... the only person you wanted to live was President Roslin... all the others were stuffed self serving aholes... The Cylons were dumbed down and the entire series was a mockery of GOD, with each episode a who is doing who moment... not to mention they gender swapped Commander Cain and made her an admiral not commander... and she was apparently gay (South Park got that right) So with JMS helming the series hopefully he puts the breaks on the woke nonsense and hatred of traditional families and faith... otherwise it will crash and burn fast. The original BSG, WW, and B5 possessed a priceless charm... The reboots of the former two expunged that charm for debauchery and grime... Perhaps B5 will escape that fate..
LEAVE IT ALONE. Sheridan is not Sheridan unless he goes through the boy scout officer to mythical figure. Delenn is not Delenn unless she becomes part human. Londo is the ultimate tragic figure, you love him for that. G'Kar goes from blind retribution to a savior for this people. I could go on.
The ONLY reboot, would be to use AI, CGI to clean up the VHS-video quality of the originals and add all new graphics to replace the Amiga ones on the original. B5 rotating smoothly would be nice!
I still not understand why JMS need actually REBOOT of the series? He has unfinished Crusade, a lot of books (telepaths, technomages…), and a lot still unshowed time periods (war with dilgars, first shadow war…). I personally do not want new “reimagine” series will be created. B5 is still good (and old BSG is not).
I loved the original B5 series, but the CGI effects have not aged well. I would love to see an updated reboot. However, I feel like the word, 'Reimagined', is code for 'Updated for modern audiences' which is code for 'Woke as Fuck'. And, personally, I'm done watching my favorite IP travel that path and die on that altar.
My hopes for this are -
That the reboot is more like Seasons 1-4 and not at all like Season 5
And that it has none of the ultra wokeness of anything by Disney etc these days
I dont honestly think i can watch Wokeness destroy another classic sci-fi show
To clarify, for the mouth foaming leftists already about to accuse me of being right wing
I have no problem with inclusivity and diversity, but i would prefer to see it more in line with actual demographics
I am sick of shows that have a 10-15 main cast, and 6 of them are some version of LGBT and there is only one white man
In my country, we are about 78% white, and about 3% LGBT, i realise America is nearer to 60% white and 5% LGBT
This is fine
Lets be representative of actual demographics and not just assume that almost nobody is white or straight