If we look to the definitions provided by WOSTEP's Escapement course made in OCT 2005, we find a different definition of "over-banking". The same definition as provided by WOSTEP is present in the English version of "The Theory of Horology" Page 118. What is described in this video is classified as "Knocking". Its important to differentiate the two as knocking refers to excess amplitude while over-banking refers to a safety fault in the escapement allowing the disengaging of the impulse pin and the fork slot stopping the watch . In the field I have observed many different repairers use many different terms (out of action, re-banking, ETC), remember we are dealing with many languages and many generations who all do things a little different. When in conversation with other repairers remember to define your terms as they can often be misunderstood. This terminology criticism aside a very helpful video!
Wow, kale you are so happy talking about watches you must really love your profession, also your enthusiasm shines!!! Btw your videos are great only found you a week ago I've watched so many already I'm bingeing on them. Thanks Kalle. 😊
Great presentation 🤘 Making the mysterious into common sense. Always a little smarter after watching you. Thank You, Good Fortunes, Great Successes and Many Blessings 🫡🤝
I read a book where definition of overbanking goes something like this "overbanking takes place when the pallet moves over to the opposite banking pin without having had any contact with the roller jewel". It says most common cause of overbamking is a guard finger that is too short.
Hi Kalle, it's my third viewing of this video, i watched it when you first uploaded, now i'm doing a couple of watches for a family friend, a lovely Avia 9k case and a very nice A Schild Cal.1203, also an Ingersoll with a Ronda Cal.1215 17j has a pin lever escapement, this one is overbanking, thank you for explaining it so well, and it's remedy, i will remove some grease from escape wheel and if that doesn't work a thinner mainspring i think i have one, cheers Kalle, i always enjoy watching your videos ⌚🤞.👍
That over banking, i can here that load and clear . With my develop machine that amplified the beats of the watch. Tunning with my microscope, computer, while watchin the movement and clearance of the hair spring. ❤️❤️❤️
I serviced an early Omega pocket watch a few years ago. I can't remember why, or how, it happened, but I think that the MS of the proper thickness was impossible to find. It's my own watch, and I just wanted it running. Well, sure enough, it's doing just what and how you explained it, Kalle. I'll check into my records as see if I can spend a little more time trying to find the right MS for it so I can slow that bugger down. Thanks for the very clear explanation. Cheers.
Kali good vid I always check the mainspring dimensions to the specifications of the calibre odd occasions I’ve fitted the next size up to compensate low amplitude on the movement it was a old Rolex super balance 620 my own watch refurbishment which required a stronger spring
Isn't this called rebanking? I think what they call overbanking is when the impulse pin goes past the pallet fork (and the watch stops of course) I might be wrong though.
I’m curious if you check amplitude before returning watch to customer? If so, why did it not show up on bad batch of springs from your vendor? Great vid as always. Thanks!!!
Thanks Kalle! Great tip! Thickness = strength, length = duration, what does height equal? Obviously we need a height and it’s usually 0.1mm less than the inner height of the barrel and less lid thickness. But does it matter if it’s 0.1mm below the lid or more? Ta!
I'd like to know the relationship between the size of the barrel and the length of the spring and how this relates to the power reserve. I'm guessing if the barrel is too small or the spring too long then the spring wouldn't be able to fully unwind and you'd lose some power. Thank you for this video, mechanical movements are really interesting.
I use some simple calculations for a mainspring size to get close to the original size. For the thickness, I devide the ID of the main barrel by 87. For the length I multiply the ID of the main barrel with 35. (for Swiss watches). And the height 0,1 mm less than the depth of the main barrel (and substract the thickness of the lid...)
I have wondered about this sometimes. If you reduce the thickness of the mainspring to correct overbanking, that would leave you with more space in the mainspring barrel. Can you then increase the length of the mainspring proportionately, to increase the power reserve?
On some of my Valjoux 7733s sometimes there is a galloping sound even though on some of them the amplitude is as low as 240°. Also it can be dependent on the position. What could be the cause of that?
So... every repair begins with a shot? Is that itemized on your bill? 😂 Seems like in an older bi-metal balance, this can also be caused by incorrectly poising the balance and ending up without enough mass to resist the force of the escape wheel. So if someone has had to repoise a balance (and did so by shaving) and they don't check its operation properly after the fact, I'd think that this can be the potential result. The fix, then, would (most likely) be to add equally weighted balance washers at each 90 degree mark?
I develop my own techniques in tuning and the most accurate tunning . Most of the watch from factory is in factory default tunning not fine tunning. Because they need to produced more in a day... 🤣🤣
As usual you have `that gift` of teaching so we understand. Thank you.
If we look to the definitions provided by WOSTEP's Escapement course made in OCT 2005, we find a different definition of "over-banking". The same definition as provided by WOSTEP is present in the English version of "The Theory of Horology" Page 118. What is described in this video is classified as "Knocking". Its important to differentiate the two as knocking refers to excess amplitude while over-banking refers to a safety fault in the escapement allowing the disengaging of the impulse pin and the fork slot stopping the watch . In the field I have observed many different repairers use many different terms (out of action, re-banking, ETC), remember we are dealing with many languages and many generations who all do things a little different. When in conversation with other repairers remember to define your terms as they can often be misunderstood. This terminology criticism aside a very helpful video!
Hi Kalle
What a splendid presentation.Thank you for generously sharing your valuable knowledge.
Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪.
This is excellent
Most helpful watchmaking videos on UA-cam
Thanks Kalle, always appreciate your videos!
Nice you do this technical videos for a young guys. I like it !
Wow, kale you are so happy talking about watches you must really love your profession, also your enthusiasm shines!!! Btw your videos are great only found you a week ago I've watched so many already I'm bingeing on them. Thanks Kalle. 😊
Brilliant Kalle, thank you. Another question answered.
Great presentation 🤘 Making the mysterious into common sense. Always a little smarter after watching you. Thank You, Good Fortunes, Great Successes and Many Blessings 🫡🤝
Thanks again Kalle, really enjoying these hints, tips and techniques videos
Thanks kalle, this way not known to me. Never to old te learn 😊
Master im new in HOROLOGY
But the first lesson that i learn is tunning.that is the most important. In the long run i will be familiar . Assembly ❤️
I read a book where definition of overbanking goes something like this "overbanking takes place when the pallet moves over to the opposite banking pin without having had any contact with the roller jewel". It says most common cause of overbamking is a guard finger that is too short.
Hi Kalle, it's my third viewing of this video, i watched it when you first uploaded, now i'm doing a couple of watches for a family friend, a lovely Avia 9k case and a very nice A Schild Cal.1203, also an Ingersoll with a Ronda Cal.1215 17j has a pin lever escapement, this one is overbanking, thank you for explaining it so well, and it's remedy, i will remove some grease from escape wheel and if that doesn't work a thinner mainspring i think i have one, cheers Kalle, i always enjoy watching your videos ⌚🤞.👍
That over banking, i can here that load and clear . With my develop machine that amplified the beats of the watch. Tunning with my microscope, computer, while watchin the movement and clearance of the hair spring. ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for this interesting topic, I really appreciate those technical tips, there are essential !
Best regards Kalle !! ✨👌
Thanks for the stream. Very helpful as always.
Great video again Kalle. Thanks❤
Thanks
ngl. i wish there was a place in my state where i could go to school for watchmaking.
I serviced an early Omega pocket watch a few years ago. I can't remember why, or how, it happened, but I think that the MS of the proper thickness was impossible to find. It's my own watch, and I just wanted it running. Well, sure enough, it's doing just what and how you explained it, Kalle. I'll check into my records as see if I can spend a little more time trying to find the right MS for it so I can slow that bugger down. Thanks for the very clear explanation. Cheers.
Very Interesting, thank you for another great video!
thanks, informative video
weer een leerzame les, bedankt Kalle!
Great video! The only problem is some mainspring are no longer available and you have to make a compromise.
Kali good vid I always check the mainspring dimensions to the specifications of the calibre odd occasions I’ve fitted the next size up to compensate low amplitude on the movement it was a old Rolex super balance 620 my own watch refurbishment which required a stronger spring
Isn't this called rebanking? I think what they call overbanking is when the impulse pin goes past the pallet fork (and the watch stops of course) I might be wrong though.
Great info. Thanks. Is there a table available for barrel size and spring thickness?
I’m curious if you check amplitude before returning watch to customer? If so, why did it not show up on bad batch of springs from your vendor? Great vid as always. Thanks!!!
Thanks Kalle! Great tip! Thickness = strength, length = duration, what does height equal? Obviously we need a height and it’s usually 0.1mm less than the inner height of the barrel and less lid thickness. But does it matter if it’s 0.1mm below the lid or more? Ta!
I'd like to know the relationship between the size of the barrel and the length of the spring and how this relates to the power reserve. I'm guessing if the barrel is too small or the spring too long then the spring wouldn't be able to fully unwind and you'd lose some power. Thank you for this video, mechanical movements are really interesting.
I use some simple calculations for a mainspring size to get close to the original size. For the thickness, I devide the ID of the main barrel by 87. For the length I multiply the ID of the main barrel with 35. (for Swiss watches). And the height 0,1 mm less than the depth of the main barrel (and substract the thickness of the lid...)
I have wondered about this sometimes. If you reduce the thickness of the mainspring to correct overbanking, that would leave you with more space in the mainspring barrel. Can you then increase the length of the mainspring proportionately, to increase the power reserve?
On some of my Valjoux 7733s sometimes there is a galloping sound even though on some of them the amplitude is as low as 240°. Also it can be dependent on the position. What could be the cause of that?
A irritating customer can get YOU OVER-BANKED 😲😤
So... every repair begins with a shot? Is that itemized on your bill? 😂
Seems like in an older bi-metal balance, this can also be caused by incorrectly poising the balance and ending up without enough mass to resist the force of the escape wheel. So if someone has had to repoise a balance (and did so by shaving) and they don't check its operation properly after the fact, I'd think that this can be the potential result. The fix, then, would (most likely) be to add equally weighted balance washers at each 90 degree mark?
Hello
Overbanking is when the watch has stopped and roller jewel is out of the pallet fork.
I develop my own techniques in tuning and the most accurate tunning . Most of the watch from factory is in factory default tunning not fine tunning. Because they need to produced more in a day... 🤣🤣
:)
To prel or not to prel dat is hier de kwestie.
😅😅 over banking like a horse 🤣🤣🥷
alternative conclusion : Do Not clean perfectly the movement 🤣 (or use "breaking" grease on smaller pivots to slow down power 😇)
and now my watch movement is full of stroopwafel crumbs....
Height
I couldn’t help myself,he speaks great english.
I can’t speak Dutch😂😂😂
Cold Slap, long time no see. Is overbanking a little like overeating? It's just that you look like you have enjoyed yourself a little too much😂