I love your videos Taylor, but Helix was never designed as a "launch coaster". The launches are there to propel the train from one element to the next. Helix is amazing because of its intense airtime hills, tight inversions, rapid changes in direction, amazing lighting and that masterpiece of a soundtrack. Liseberg have never actively promoted it as a double launch coaster, a problem which befell Blackpool Pleasure Beach when they started promoting ICON. Mack multi-launch coasters should not be named as such as they are more about the airtime hills and rapid banked turns. Helix doesn't have a theme as you said. It is stylized, just like ICON. It is marketed as "Helix: The Next Level". It is euphoric and futuristic and dystopian hence the lighting and the chaser lights in the station and the techno soundtrack. It implies that you are experiencing something extreme and "cool" and "edgy" and I think Liseberg pull it off very well. Aside from maybe Taron I can't think of a cooler coaster.
I think your explanation is a cop out. Lift hills add to the ride by creating anticipation. Forceful launches add to the ride by being another thrill element. A family coaster is one thing, but a major thrill coaster is quite another. If all a Mack launch does is "propel the train from one element to the next," that means it's a crummy launch system.
The reason for the strange layout of the cue area is that it is built inside an old iMax cinema. I live in Gothenburg and have worked in Liseberg and my father is an electrician there. That have given me all out access to the "backstage area". The workshops behind the coasters are really cool. Also, inside the the oval of tracks of the wooden coaster Balder, there is a small cabin in classical swedish fashion, outhouse and flagpole included. Coaster reviewers are allowed access to that area and have an opportunity to sign the beams and hammer in a nail. If you don´t know about this area it is very easy to miss while riding the coaster.
The iMax cinema (Cinema 180°) were placed near the late Lisebergsloopen (Schwartzkopf's Looping Star model) in the 1980's. I don't know when they moved it uphill.
I'm a frequent visitor since I live in Gothenburg, have been on it at least 50 times since the opening. Helix was smooth like butter when it opened, and has gotten shaky after just a few years. I think Liseberg and Mack should take a look at it, because the shakiness kinda disrupts the experience for me nowadays. I hope its just the trains causing it, because otherwise it would be costly.
@@neville1311 My first time on Helix was back in 2019 and when I rode it again last year I was surprised by how much rougher it has gotten in just a few year's time!
Not every launch has to be intense, Taylor, MACK launches are not intense, the launches are just there for momentum, I love your reviews, but when you say something is forceless, it kind of triggers me, you have to look at what the launches are for, Taron's 2nd launch is great because it's there to surprise guests and for intensity, MACK launches like Helix and Icon, are to build up momentum to make it through the course, I feel like you need to give the launches some slack.
Jack Everyone respects Helix’s launches for getting it that momentum, Taylor just said that it would be even better if they were more forceful, which, let’s face it, they would be.
I totally disagree with you. The idea of a launch is that is *launches* you forward and that feeling on a launch coaster is amazing. If they just wanted momentum they should have built a lifthill, would be much more cost-efficient. Missing out on force on a launch is just a missed amazing element of a ride, so Taylor has all the right to complain about that IMO.
Mack Launches are my least favourite Launches. The stupidly weak Launch is the main reason why I don´t like Blue Fire. It build´s so much hype for the Launch with the whole Alarm going off and the smoke and then it Launches you at a rate that feels just barely faster than my boring daily driver (I know that it does Accelerate much quicker than my car, but it just doesn´t feel that way) iSpeed at Mirabilandia launches you to the same speed as Blue Fire does in a slightly faster time, but it feels much, much quicker and way more intense. I do get that Mack is more Family Oriented, but anyone who was ever at Tripsdrill can tell you that a ton of families with their kids ride the Karacho Launch coaster, and that one has a way more intense Launch than Blue Fire, there is just no reason whatsoever to have such weak launches, even if it is a more family oriented ride.
I loved the Helix launches, I thought they had a good psychological effect, rather like how a chain lift can build anticipation. They draw your attention to the inversion at the end of the hill and gradually build up to it.
Helix is my favourite roller coaster I’ve ever ridden (and I’ve also ridden Wildfire, Taron, Expedition GeForce, Skyrush). It’s just great from start to end and it doesn’t lose any of it’s momentum. I think it’s weird that you had problems with the restrains, as I thought they were one of the best restrains in any roller coaster.
J O totally agree, I went on it for my first time this year on opening day and I didn’t find it “rough” at all......in fact it’s one of the smoothest and most enjoyable coasters I’ve ever ridden
Helix is my favorite ride for a couple years by now, i am from the Netherlands, i have ridden Taron, Shambhala and Some more great rides but this is definetely the best for me (coaster count: 90). I have been going here for a couple of times and i didn't found any unsmooth parts ever! The launches for me are not really That bad, it's not a chain lift. They are fun!
A front row night ride is probably one of the coolest experiences you can get. The lights on the train really improve the ride. When the coaster is warm it is even possible to feel the launch 😂 Can only agree with the soundtrack, probably my favourite soundtrack of any coaster.
Interesting personally I haven't heard anyone say the restraints aren't great until now. Really interesting to hear because I always thought that Mack Rides restraints are supposed to be great.
Kason Anthony they’re really comfy, but stapling is a big problem. I’ve only done icon and on most rides i get stapled and it gets painful. I’ve had 1 ride where the restraint was pushed as far as it could go with me in, and I couldn’t focus on the ride
I've only ridden Icon, but I've got really wide legs (to the point I wasn't sure they were going to let me on because the restraints almost didn't click properly) and not only did I not feel stapled, I came absolutely clean off the seat during pretty much every element
The Mack automatic restraints are amazing. Like the ones on Time Traveler. They do not staple you, and even loosen up a little before the ride begins. Then, it doesn’t go down more at all.
Yeah this is a 10/10 coaster. It's not built for the launches, so don't expect it to have air launch type acceleration. And if you find this rough, then how do you ride a coaster that even has a noticeable rattle. You praise the RMCs so much, yet this is a much smoother ride and even a bad launch is still better than a lift hill. Focus on what the coaster is built for instead, incredible airtime, positive Gs, and hangtime, with some awesome terrain interaction and a great atmosphere. Definitely my number one coaster (ahead of BDash, Mav, Skyrush, Wildfire, STR, WC, Toro, Outlaw Run, etc)
Great review, sounds like a really good, exciting, fun ride apart from the launches. Correct me if I’m wrong, but while I haven’t ridden one, it seems like MACK’s worst launches are the ones that are “boosting” launches where you go right into the launch while already moving. On a side note for the US people, I’m starting to think that Copperhead Strike will deliver some of MACK’s best launches. The first one will start from 0 so you should at least feel something, and the second is on an airtime hill so it should be fun even if it’s forceless
The queue “room” is designed to take a lot of people (the ride itself takes around 1350 people per hour and that’s when it has 2/3 carts out, and that’s what they usually have) and the line waiting time is almost every day around 80 minutes. So the queue “room” is more practical then trying to have a theme.
The ride is around 100km/h all the time the launches are perfect to be "hangin" in the loop. They really dont need more speed for the thrill its perfect as it is. Its a long rollercoaster with no slow time at all during the whole ride
Helix has a theme and that is simply being like a online game. Liseberg mentions at their web encyclopedia www.lisepedia.se/Helix (only in Swedish) that the target audience of the ride are youth between 13 and 24 years, who often spend too much time of playing computer games. Helix was supposed to reach these people, and then tempt them to live in the real world instead (where the ride exists). The soundtrack composed by IMAscore was also ment to sound like taken from a game. Also, the full name of the campaign of the ride was "Helix - The next level" (the next and real level of the online games). Liseberg took the theme even further and developed the world's first game app connected to a specific ride, which the queuers plays while waiting for riding it, and every quarter the player with the highest score of the game wins an express pass ticket for the ride, and that's also what's shown on the tv displays in the queue. The queue itself is supposed to look like a labyrinth, and the lightnings are a result of a competition between Swedish school classes. The track is really interesting, and the development process behind it can be overviewed here: ua-cam.com/video/CBst7fjHApU/v-deo.html.
I think the point about force-less launches stems from the fact USA coasters have intense launches like Top Thrill or Kingda Ka. Plus Mack coasters are not about whipping you around the track, you are supposed to take the inversions slower that is what makes them unique. Something different than the likes of Intamin or B+M which rely on fast snappy inversions.
I agree with people here that this does not need to be overly intense, I found this to be exactly perfect on any field and just so much fun overall. The ride is themed to the Helix game, which it the whole reason it looks so featuristic and why it has the game in the first place :) Helix is my personal n2 underneath Karnan. It does everything so well imo👌 Nice review anyway :)
Helix is one of my favourites at Liseberg, the seats on Helix is also extremely comfortable. Love it when you feel how the speed increases throughout the ride.
I believe in a press release, HELIX is based after a biological/nature based being morphing with scientific, future technology, as in the teaser trailers, it shows some space-age looking vehicle, being overtaken by what looks like a branch, sort of like the TH13TEEN trailers. It is also got inspiration from the game you may have seen. Hope you see this Taylor!
Finno no no no no. Helix is not themes. It’s styled as a future tech unique experience hence the lights, colors, que and techno music. It’s called Helix the next level. Good coasters don’t need some dumb theme or superhero name and colours to make it better. This coaster is so insanely polished and well fit in to the park and so is everything else in the park.
I'm really confused how someone can feel uncomfortable in a Mack Rides seat. I always felt that they're the best seats ever. Especially with DC Rivals, where the rest of your body is free and you really feels those ejects and zappy twists at the same time, but not uncomfortable at any means. But maybe I have to ride more rides in that seat. Perhaps the coaster has to be built right for this seat. Perhaps, if the transitions are wrong, or too much, it might hurt? So then, we have found a limit, perhaps the speed that DC Rivals whips you around is the limit of feeling free while being comfortable, but not yet feeling pain, because you're only fixed at your waist and the rest is able to move freely.
I was in the queueline when it "broke down" and they paused it for a bit. so they had a type of swedish quiz in the speakers and one of the questions was "what theme is helix" and evereone yelled turtle, alien, crocodile. But they said the correct answer was video games.
I think you should ride this one more time but now, beacuse its faster and better now! Ive ridden it this year and read a little about it and its much faster now! (In my opinion it very good!)
Taron is the stronger coaster of the two but give Helix a chance. I've ridden it many many times (once during a thunderstorm) and I've only found it painful after riding it too much due to the insane airtime causing my legs to bruise haha! The final airtime hill is SO intense that you are quite forcefully thrown out of the seat and you freefall for about 5 seconds it's insane.
I give it a Chance, but It doesnt look as cool as Taron to mee. I have ridden Taron over 15 Times,and I still dont know where it is going next and why it is so cool. It flashes me everytime.
The theme of helix is the future, as in the ride comes from the future because it was so revolutionary for liseberg, and even sweden, as a roller coaster design. Great video!
I just rode the Mack Rides Mega Coaster "Star Trek - Operation Enterprise" and this one became a lot more rough too in this saison (it was the coasters second saison). So it seems to be a generell Mack Mega Coaster problem. BTW: It is one of the two Mack Mega Coasters in Germany.
Airtime Thrills don’t knock it till you have tried it !!! I’ve ridden almost 300 coasters and seriously Helix is probably my No2, it’s amazing.......don’t listen to someone else’s review, he said it’s roughy, errrrr it’s not, and he said it’s slower than Icon, errrrr it’s actually 10mph faster
Its my favorite coaster 1 helix 2 taron 3 goliath walibi holland 4 baldr 5 fenix toverland 6 black mamba 7 hyper space mountain paris 8 lost gravity 9 baron 1898 10 deamon tivoli
For those saying that Mack launches aren't supposed to be forceful, why would a ride manufacturer not want to make the launch a fun part of the ride? Anyone who's ridden Maverick, for example, knows that second launch is one of the most exhilarating parts of the ride. That sudden burst of speed gluing you to the back of the seat...that's the appeal of launch coasters. I'm worried a bit about Copperhead Strike now to be honest.
Daniel Worley what people have been telling you is that helix isn’t meant for the launches. It’s meant for a super smooth experience with tons of inversions and airtime and quick close to the ground turns. They’re meant to be enjoyful and a ride you can ride without holding your breath. Liar berg had a intamin launch coaster with a 0 - 80 km/h launch but it was replaced by Valkyrie since less people liked it.
Looks like they kept the entrance cue for Simulatour (4d cinema that Liseberg had) for Helix. I was in Liseberg in 1998 and then that area was called space port.
The launches are just kind of there for momentum, and thus they are weaker than most others.. They were actually going for a lift hill, but due to height restrictions they went with a launched coaster..
I would prefer launches like on volcano and top thrill dragster but I think launches can still be fun without being forceful, just speeding up really fast instead of going up a lift hill is really fun and the rest of cs looks really good
Hi! Im Livingston like next to Liseberg and im going there every single day when im home and bored! Helix is my favoirite ride, so i know a LOT about it! The theme is like ment to be a Lottie bot futureistic but also a little bit modern!
When i tried helix i didnt think anything was "bad". Nothing hurts for me but thats maybe just for me. In my opinion it's a 10/10 and I definentaly think u should try it! :)
My most ridden coaster is helix i have ridden it 13 Times and i Agree with you! However this video is a little bit negative. For first Helix is very SMOOTH! Like i didint think this was rough at all and the only part i felt a little rattle is the first drop. Second it is a launch coaster so its low on to the ground. Third the launches is creative cuz unlike most coasters this coaster dosent launch you at first. I think you can be more positive however it was a Good review!
i think the forceless launches is to accompany the less experienced riders. we all know you, taylor, are an enthusiast but i’m sure liseberg is more of a family park. you have to take that into account. great review either way 👍🏾
The thing abt Helix is that they were not going for very high speeds or hights. But they were going for the terrain. Also a fun fact the fastest speed in helix is not in the launches. And as one of the constructon managers said "The Helix project its not gonna be the fastest in the world its not gonna be tallest the biggest but we want it to be the best experiance. Btw Liseberg is my home park.
Taylor, I'm gonna be honest, these reviews are really starting to grind my gears. Like, you talk about every coaster like it's supposed to be the new Steel Vengeance or Fury 325. I get that you've ridden a ton of roller coasters, but you really seem pessimistic about just about everything it seems like. Just in this review, you complained about -The Queue -The Theme -The Lap Bar -The Launches -The Height -The Speed -The Smoothness It's not even that I'm trying to defend this ride or anything (I've never even ridden it), it feels like you use these reviews to just nitpick about everything to the point that they're almost painful to watch. It's almost cringey how much you exaggerate things that I'm sure nobody else cares about, like getting "stapled" or having a ride that isn't GLOSSY SMOOTH. Obviously, you don't need to be full GP, but at least try to talk about what you liked. In this review, you basically complained the whole time with small bits of talking about things you enjoyed (and then you gave it an 8.5 too, which seemed kinda contradictory) I just really don't enjoy these anymore I guess
Getting staples is about the worst experience on a coaster. My home park is worlds of fun, and those rides are great because the lap bar was a good foot above my lap. I hated outlaw run because of the lap bar. I was in pain the whole time, and I was thankful it was a short ride. It’s hard to enjoy something when your in pain.
The whole point of the reviews is to get into depth about what the coaster is lacking, he tells us what to expect if we were to ride it ourselves based on his personal experience, it would be useless if he only pointed out the good things, im sure Taylor hesitates when telling the bad things about a roller coaster, he even acknowledges the fact that he enjoyed helix and that its not a bad ride, so that people wont take it the wrong way, what im trying to say is take all the things he is saying into consideration, dont overlook that bad things, and plus this is just coming from the perspective of someone who has spent years riding roller coasters, and knows things that other roller coaster enthusiast would want in a ride.
I'm not 100% sure but I think it's themed to a game because the name is: HELIX the next level and in the queue you can play this helix game to get fast pass
The "launches" are not "launches", Liseberg says that they are boosters that boost the train so it can maintain its speed. ua-cam.com/video/g6g3kX008Dw/v-deo.html Got to 1 : 35 for it
Three Mackrides launchcoasters in europe? You wasn't at Movie Park Germany right? There is also a Mackrides launchcoaster called "Operation Enterprise". In my opinion the best Tripplelaunchcoaster ever! But still a very nice review!
This review kinda disappoints me because the launches are mean't for momentum and not acceleration. I've ridden Slinky Dog Dash at Disney's Hollywood Studios (Yeah I know it's a family coaster) and the launches were just to gain momentum to go over the hills. And this is actually my #2 bucket list coaster in Europe (Behind Wildfire). Also you need to know that the hangtime you get from the inversions makes up for the weak launches, just saying. I know this is a long comment, but you need to know that not all launches need to be forceful so anyone could enjoy it because there could be people who hate coasters with extremely forceful launches (any S&S air launch or Fluch von Novgorod). And it's kind of surprising that i'm disappointed by this review because I enjoy your reviews, and the last time I was disappointed was for the Montu review (I guess I haven't ridden Afterburn). Hopefully you notice this.
I know the Theme!! I do not have any solid source though but a story to confirm it. Once when I where about to jump on to it they had to stop the all trains for a short while due to "sanitary issues" (what could possibly cause that??). Meanwhile the staff made a competition for all of us waiting at the station, giving a Helix deck of cards the one who could give the correct answer to the following question: What is the theme of Helix? Correct answer: Computer Games!
Helix dont really have a theme, its hard for a park to theme a ride in this size. But what Liseberg was going for is a nature style ride. For example the track is green so it can blend in the trees and bushes. Thats why everything is green, "its from nature". A video from 2012 when they announced helix at the begining it says "inspired by nature". So the shorten everythin helix theme is nature you could say
I love your videos Taylor, but Helix was never designed as a "launch coaster". The launches are there to propel the train from one element to the next. Helix is amazing because of its intense airtime hills, tight inversions, rapid changes in direction, amazing lighting and that masterpiece of a soundtrack. Liseberg have never actively promoted it as a double launch coaster, a problem which befell Blackpool Pleasure Beach when they started promoting ICON. Mack multi-launch coasters should not be named as such as they are more about the airtime hills and rapid banked turns.
Helix doesn't have a theme as you said. It is stylized, just like ICON. It is marketed as "Helix: The Next Level". It is euphoric and futuristic and dystopian hence the lighting and the chaser lights in the station and the techno soundtrack. It implies that you are experiencing something extreme and "cool" and "edgy" and I think Liseberg pull it off very well. Aside from maybe Taron I can't think of a cooler coaster.
Toatally agreed i think you got that all correct
Amusement Archive yeah i live in sweden and i love Helix its so Good cuz it is not suposed to be the fastest or the highest.
Came in here to write basically this. You're bang on!
They need a more representative brand for it, like Intamin's Blitz
I think your explanation is a cop out. Lift hills add to the ride by creating anticipation. Forceful launches add to the ride by being another thrill element. A family coaster is one thing, but a major thrill coaster is quite another. If all a Mack launch does is "propel the train from one element to the next," that means it's a crummy launch system.
At least Helix's launches are better than Mid-Course brake runs.
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@@poopyguy1281 Yes its mush better I have ride it
@valkyria Exackt helix är bättre
Although, with break runs, you actually get airtime on the pop up into the break run and the drop off the break run.
The reason for the strange layout of the cue area is that it is built inside an old iMax cinema.
I live in Gothenburg and have worked in Liseberg and my father is an electrician there. That have given me all out access to the "backstage area". The workshops behind the coasters are really cool. Also, inside the the oval of tracks of the wooden coaster Balder, there is a small cabin in classical swedish fashion, outhouse and flagpole included. Coaster reviewers are allowed access to that area and have an opportunity to sign the beams and hammer in a nail. If you don´t know about this area it is very easy to miss while riding the coaster.
The iMax cinema (Cinema 180°) were placed near the late Lisebergsloopen (Schwartzkopf's Looping Star model) in the 1980's. I don't know when they moved it uphill.
When helix opened it was insanely smooth. Sitting in the front row, you really felt like you were flying through the track
I'm a frequent visitor since I live in Gothenburg, have been on it at least 50 times since the opening. Helix was smooth like butter when it opened, and has gotten shaky after just a few years. I think Liseberg and Mack should take a look at it, because the shakiness kinda disrupts the experience for me nowadays. I hope its just the trains causing it, because otherwise it would be costly.
@@shiguCS I haven't really paid attention to the roughness in awhile. Shame though, cause that smooth ride was such an experience,
@@neville1311 My first time on Helix was back in 2019 and when I rode it again last year I was surprised by how much rougher it has gotten in just a few year's time!
@@SomniumLG Yeah it has had a beating. Hopefully they fix it sometime
Not every launch has to be intense, Taylor, MACK launches are not intense, the launches are just there for momentum, I love your reviews, but when you say something is forceless, it kind of triggers me, you have to look at what the launches are for, Taron's 2nd launch is great because it's there to surprise guests and for intensity, MACK launches like Helix and Icon, are to build up momentum to make it through the course, I feel like you need to give the launches some slack.
Jack Everyone respects Helix’s launches for getting it that momentum, Taylor just said that it would be even better if they were more forceful, which, let’s face it, they would be.
I totally disagree with you. The idea of a launch is that is *launches* you forward and that feeling on a launch coaster is amazing. If they just wanted momentum they should have built a lifthill, would be much more cost-efficient. Missing out on force on a launch is just a missed amazing element of a ride, so Taylor has all the right to complain about that IMO.
Jack that’s like saying a hill that lacks airtime because it wasn’t built for airtime is justified. It’s S U C H a missed opportunity
Mack Launches are my least favourite Launches. The stupidly weak Launch is the main reason why I don´t like Blue Fire. It build´s so much hype for the Launch with the whole Alarm going off and the smoke and then it Launches you at a rate that feels just barely faster than my boring daily driver (I know that it does Accelerate much quicker than my car, but it just doesn´t feel that way) iSpeed at Mirabilandia launches you to the same speed as Blue Fire does in a slightly faster time, but it feels much, much quicker and way more intense.
I do get that Mack is more Family Oriented, but anyone who was ever at Tripsdrill can tell you that a ton of families with their kids ride the Karacho Launch coaster, and that one has a way more intense Launch than Blue Fire, there is just no reason whatsoever to have such weak launches, even if it is a more family oriented ride.
But he’s judging the launches based on their force because that’s the most thrilling quality of a launch
I loved the Helix launches, I thought they had a good psychological effect, rather like how a chain lift can build anticipation. They draw your attention to the inversion at the end of the hill and gradually build up to it.
True! It feels cool
I agree
Helix is my favourite roller coaster I’ve ever ridden (and I’ve also ridden Wildfire, Taron, Expedition GeForce, Skyrush). It’s just great from start to end and it doesn’t lose any of it’s momentum. I think it’s weird that you had problems with the restrains, as I thought they were one of the best restrains in any roller coaster.
I have ridden Helix about 500 times and it is not rough at all
J O totally agree, I went on it for my first time this year on opening day and I didn’t find it “rough” at all......in fact it’s one of the smoothest and most enjoyable coasters I’ve ever ridden
It is super SMOOTH!!!!!
Inzaneboy GD yeah it’s amazing, seriously it’s not rough at all, most Mack coasters have a rattle tho but it’s not rough
J O i agree
J O Try valkyria, you will understand
Helix is my favorite ride for a couple years by now, i am from the Netherlands, i have ridden Taron, Shambhala and Some more great rides but this is definetely the best for me (coaster count: 90). I have been going here for a couple of times and i didn't found any unsmooth parts ever! The launches for me are not really That bad, it's not a chain lift. They are fun!
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Same
De zizag voor de 2de launch is erg ruw hoor
A front row night ride is probably one of the coolest experiences you can get. The lights on the train really improve the ride. When the coaster is warm it is even possible to feel the launch 😂 Can only agree with the soundtrack, probably my favourite soundtrack of any coaster.
Interesting personally I haven't heard anyone say the restraints aren't great until now. Really interesting to hear because I always thought that Mack Rides restraints are supposed to be great.
Kason Anthony they’re really comfy, but stapling is a big problem. I’ve only done icon and on most rides i get stapled and it gets painful. I’ve had 1 ride where the restraint was pushed as far as it could go with me in, and I couldn’t focus on the ride
I think Mack restraints are awesome
I've only ridden Icon, but I've got really wide legs (to the point I wasn't sure they were going to let me on because the restraints almost didn't click properly) and not only did I not feel stapled, I came absolutely clean off the seat during pretty much every element
The Mack automatic restraints are amazing. Like the ones on Time Traveler. They do not staple you, and even loosen up a little before the ride begins. Then, it doesn’t go down more at all.
I live in Gothenburg and I have went on Helix a lot of times, and I haven't felt any pain? Helix, Mechanica and Valkyria are like soooo good!
Yeah this is a 10/10 coaster. It's not built for the launches, so don't expect it to have air launch type acceleration. And if you find this rough, then how do you ride a coaster that even has a noticeable rattle.
You praise the RMCs so much, yet this is a much smoother ride and even a bad launch is still better than a lift hill. Focus on what the coaster is built for instead, incredible airtime, positive Gs, and hangtime, with some awesome terrain interaction and a great atmosphere.
Definitely my number one coaster (ahead of BDash, Mav, Skyrush, Wildfire, STR, WC, Toro, Outlaw Run, etc)
Great review, sounds like a really good, exciting, fun ride apart from the launches. Correct me if I’m wrong, but while I haven’t ridden one, it seems like MACK’s worst launches are the ones that are “boosting” launches where you go right into the launch while already moving.
On a side note for the US people, I’m starting to think that Copperhead Strike will deliver some of MACK’s best launches. The first one will start from 0 so you should at least feel something, and the second is on an airtime hill so it should be fun even if it’s forceless
The queue “room” is designed to take a lot of people (the ride itself takes around 1350 people per hour and that’s when it has 2/3 carts out, and that’s what they usually have) and the line waiting time is almost every day around 80 minutes. So the queue “room” is more practical then trying to have a theme.
The ride is around 100km/h all the time the launches are perfect to be "hangin" in the loop. They really dont need more speed for the thrill its perfect as it is. Its a long rollercoaster with no slow time at all during the whole ride
Helix has a theme and that is simply being like a online game.
Liseberg mentions at their web encyclopedia www.lisepedia.se/Helix (only in Swedish) that the target audience of the ride are youth between 13 and 24 years, who often spend too much time of playing computer games. Helix was supposed to reach these people, and then tempt them to live in the real world instead (where the ride exists).
The soundtrack composed by IMAscore was also ment to sound like taken from a game.
Also, the full name of the campaign of the ride was "Helix - The next level" (the next and real level of the online games).
Liseberg took the theme even further and developed the world's first game app connected to a specific ride, which the queuers plays while waiting for riding it, and every quarter the player with the highest score of the game wins an express pass ticket for the ride, and that's also what's shown on the tv displays in the queue.
The queue itself is supposed to look like a labyrinth, and the lightnings are a result of a competition between Swedish school classes.
The track is really interesting, and the development process behind it can be overviewed here: ua-cam.com/video/CBst7fjHApU/v-deo.html.
"Anticipointment." Now THAT is a great new word that I just heard.
I think the point about force-less launches stems from the fact USA coasters have intense launches like Top Thrill or Kingda Ka. Plus Mack coasters are not about whipping you around the track, you are supposed to take the inversions slower that is what makes them unique. Something different than the likes of Intamin or B+M which rely on fast snappy inversions.
The fact yesterday i Was at liseberg and finally went on helix i was so proud of myself lol-
I agree with people here that this does not need to be overly intense, I found this to be exactly perfect on any field and just so much fun overall. The ride is themed to the Helix game, which it the whole reason it looks so featuristic and why it has the game in the first place :) Helix is my personal n2 underneath Karnan. It does everything so well imo👌 Nice review anyway :)
Helix is one of my favourites at Liseberg, the seats on Helix is also extremely comfortable. Love it when you feel how the speed increases throughout the ride.
I believe in a press release, HELIX is based after a biological/nature based being morphing with scientific, future technology, as in the teaser trailers, it shows some space-age looking vehicle, being overtaken by what looks like a branch, sort of like the TH13TEEN trailers. It is also got inspiration from the game you may have seen. Hope you see this Taylor!
Finno no no no no. Helix is not themes. It’s styled as a future tech unique experience hence the lights, colors, que and techno music. It’s called Helix the next level. Good coasters don’t need some dumb theme or superhero name and colours to make it better. This coaster is so insanely polished and well fit in to the park and so is everything else in the park.
Albin Liungman I never said good coasters required superhero names and themes.
Helix only has one helix ahahaha
It's called Helix, not Helices
I said helix???
Nevermind I get the joke
WHAHAHHAAHAHAAHHHAHAHHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAH
This is what comment come to lol
Love for the best MACK Coaster I know!
i personally think helix looks like a dream coaster... an enthusiasts wet dream, that is
The theme is a video game
Really? What game?
@@mr.meloetta1939 the own game "helix game" at app store. You can play it in the queue. If you win within 15 min you will get one fast pass.
@@mr.meloetta1939 the game is shown at 2:05
No, Helix is the theme of the game.
Theme is kind of like half video game half snake
It's kinda depressing to think the only smooth coaster at Pleasure Beach will become rough one day 😔😢
I rode helix this past summer. I didn’t think smoothness was an issue at all. The restraints weren’t that bad. I’ll agree with you on the launches.
I'm really confused how someone can feel uncomfortable in a Mack Rides seat. I always felt that they're the best seats ever. Especially with DC Rivals, where the rest of your body is free and you really feels those ejects and zappy twists at the same time, but not uncomfortable at any means. But maybe I have to ride more rides in that seat. Perhaps the coaster has to be built right for this seat. Perhaps, if the transitions are wrong, or too much, it might hurt? So then, we have found a limit, perhaps the speed that DC Rivals whips you around is the limit of feeling free while being comfortable, but not yet feeling pain, because you're only fixed at your waist and the rest is able to move freely.
K good I’m glad I’m not the only one who listens to coaster theme tunes in my free time.
😁😁
I was in the queueline when it "broke down" and they paused it for a bit. so they had a type of swedish quiz in the speakers and one of the questions was "what theme is helix" and evereone yelled turtle, alien, crocodile. But they said the correct answer was video games.
I think you should ride this one more time but now, beacuse its faster and better now! Ive ridden it this year and read a little about it and its much faster now! (In my opinion it very good!)
This was a great review, losing some hope for helix now, but it’s all good!
Coaster Frenzy Taron is better,just saying!
The_ DMB I could probably see that.
Taron is the stronger coaster of the two but give Helix a chance. I've ridden it many many times (once during a thunderstorm) and I've only found it painful after riding it too much due to the insane airtime causing my legs to bruise haha! The final airtime hill is SO intense that you are quite forcefully thrown out of the seat and you freefall for about 5 seconds it's insane.
I give it a Chance, but It doesnt look as cool as Taron to mee. I have ridden Taron over 15 Times,and I still dont know where it is going next and why it is so cool. It flashes me everytime.
Amusement Archive trust me the restraints won’t bother me at all because if skyrush restraints are my favorite I’ll obviously love helix lol
It worked! Also, that soundtrack is fire. I listen to it daily as well when I go jogging.
The theme of helix is the future, as in the ride comes from the future because it was so revolutionary for liseberg, and even sweden, as a roller coaster design. Great video!
"Anticipointment" -- I like this word, and will use it in the future.
This is my favourite coaster so far. Love helix!
I just rode the Mack Rides Mega Coaster "Star Trek - Operation Enterprise" and this one became a lot more rough too in this saison (it was the coasters second saison). So it seems to be a generell Mack Mega Coaster problem.
BTW: It is one of the two Mack Mega Coasters in Germany.
Yeah star trek was waaay better in the first season it became quite rough and it closed a month or so before the end of the season
I think it's a maintenance issue. Blue Fire Megacoaster at Europa-Park only has a minor rattle.
Good review.. this coaster never came off to me as that great and your review pretty much confirmed what i was thinking
Airtime Thrills don’t knock it till you have tried it !!! I’ve ridden almost 300 coasters and seriously Helix is probably my No2, it’s amazing.......don’t listen to someone else’s review, he said it’s roughy, errrrr it’s not, and he said it’s slower than Icon, errrrr it’s actually 10mph faster
@@Coaster_Crazy well his review is all i got right now cuz itll be a loooong time til i ever get out ti Sweden
Park Attendant: "Taylor is coming to review our new coaster." Park Manager: "Oh God No....Quick.....Butter up the track! Turn up the launch pressure!"
AYYYY THE FULL VID
B&M coasters are always smooth, that’s why they’re my favorite manufacturer
This was made by Mack not B&M
@@Meatloaf8 i meant when he talked about it not being so smooth i just compared it to b&m who’s coaster are almost always smooth.
Ohh I see, sorry
Helix is still my number 1 - I'll never forget the night rides in the snow ❄
Helix is not a launch coaster. It's a sit down looping coaster that happens to have two launches.
Which makes it a launch coaster...
Marc Weiner I hope you get what I'm saying and are just being a smartass...
Its my favorite coaster
1 helix
2 taron
3 goliath walibi holland
4 baldr
5 fenix toverland
6 black mamba
7 hyper space mountain paris
8 lost gravity
9 baron 1898
10 deamon tivoli
Wtf thats my exact list
I wanna ride this freakin badass coaster right at this moment
I have never experienced
getting stapled by it, not even on my first ride. But I can imagine how it felt for you.
Helix is loosely themed to a game. The thought is that you play the game in the cue. Every 15 minutes a winner is announced who winns an express pass.
Axel Gustavsson jag tror de gjorde spelet för kön och inte tvärt om
For those saying that Mack launches aren't supposed to be forceful, why would a ride manufacturer not want to make the launch a fun part of the ride? Anyone who's ridden Maverick, for example, knows that second launch is one of the most exhilarating parts of the ride. That sudden burst of speed gluing you to the back of the seat...that's the appeal of launch coasters. I'm worried a bit about Copperhead Strike now to be honest.
Daniel Worley what people have been telling you is that helix isn’t meant for the launches. It’s meant for a super smooth experience with tons of inversions and airtime and quick close to the ground turns. They’re meant to be enjoyful and a ride you can ride without holding your breath. Liar berg had a intamin launch coaster with a 0 - 80 km/h launch but it was replaced by Valkyrie since less people liked it.
Thanks for reuploading!
Looks like they kept the entrance cue for Simulatour (4d cinema that Liseberg had) for Helix. I was in Liseberg in 1998 and then that area was called space port.
The launches are just kind of there for momentum, and thus they are weaker than most others.. They were actually going for a lift hill, but due to height restrictions they went with a launched coaster..
Agree with you for once! well almost! Helix over icon any day!. good, fair in depth review!
I also listen to the soundtrack much
Professor Media it’s just you.
@@professormedia6851 nah u just gay
These European Coasters are so cool👍😂
Helix is the absolute greatest rollercoaster I've ever been on! If you like really fun coaster, don't miss out on Liseberg.
Knowing one of these is coming to my home park, carowinds, I'm even more concerned than before about those slow launches.
Richard Smith the launch on an airtime hill will make up for it.
I would prefer launches like on volcano and top thrill dragster but I think launches can still be fun without being forceful, just speeding up really fast instead of going up a lift hill is really fun and the rest of cs looks really good
Are you going to review Joris en de draak and Troy?
I dont think so but i hope it!!
Hi! Im Livingston like next to Liseberg and im going there every single day when im home and bored! Helix is my favoirite ride, so i know a LOT about it! The theme is like ment to be a Lottie bot futureistic but also a little bit modern!
Omg auto correct is SO annoying!!
I think that the theme is like SciFi/next level theme, thats why the music is like techno music, and the queue layout is futuristic.
They are not really launches its called boosters that boost the train so it can maintain its speed
This one and Nemesis are my two favorite rides in Europe
Really surprised you thought the launches weren’t as good as those ICON and Blue Fire have.
When i tried helix i didnt think anything was "bad". Nothing hurts for me but thats maybe just for me. In my opinion it's a 10/10 and I definentaly think u should try it! :)
The theme of Helix is about a game Helix - the next level. The park actually made the game and you can play it.
Totally Agree... I don't like Mack Rides... I think they're forceless IMO
My most ridden coaster is helix i have ridden it 13 Times and i Agree with you! However this video is a little bit negative. For first Helix is very SMOOTH! Like i didint think this was rough at all and the only part i felt a little rattle is the first drop. Second it is a launch coaster so its low on to the ground. Third the launches is creative cuz unlike most coasters this coaster dosent launch you at first. I think you can be more positive however it was a Good review!
i think the forceless launches is to accompany the less experienced riders. we all know you, taylor, are an enthusiast but i’m sure liseberg is more of a family park. you have to take that into account. great review either way 👍🏾
We finally get to know why it’s challenging!
Also, with the number of downsides as opposed to upsides, I guessed it would be 8-8.5.
😅😅😅
The thing abt Helix is that they were not going for very high speeds or hights. But they were going for the terrain. Also a fun fact the fastest speed in helix is not in the launches. And as one of the constructon managers said "The Helix project its not gonna be the fastest in the world its not gonna be tallest the biggest but we want it to be the best experiance. Btw Liseberg is my home park.
Wow, it's also my favorite IMAscore soundtrack, it is just AMAZING!!!
And the theming is like something futuristic :)
Are you going to review Wiker man at Alton towers? Or have you done it?
He's ridden it and will most likely review it.
They have upgraded the launches now so come again and try it and try valkyria while you are here
Taylor, I'm gonna be honest, these reviews are really starting to grind my gears. Like, you talk about every coaster like it's supposed to be the new Steel Vengeance or Fury 325. I get that you've ridden a ton of roller coasters, but you really seem pessimistic about just about everything it seems like. Just in this review, you complained about
-The Queue
-The Theme
-The Lap Bar
-The Launches
-The Height
-The Speed
-The Smoothness
It's not even that I'm trying to defend this ride or anything (I've never even ridden it), it feels like you use these reviews to just nitpick about everything to the point that they're almost painful to watch. It's almost cringey how much you exaggerate things that I'm sure nobody else cares about, like getting "stapled" or having a ride that isn't GLOSSY SMOOTH. Obviously, you don't need to be full GP, but at least try to talk about what you liked. In this review, you basically complained the whole time with small bits of talking about things you enjoyed (and then you gave it an 8.5 too, which seemed kinda contradictory)
I just really don't enjoy these anymore I guess
Getting staples is about the worst experience on a coaster. My home park is worlds of fun, and those rides are great because the lap bar was a good foot above my lap. I hated outlaw run because of the lap bar. I was in pain the whole time, and I was thankful it was a short ride. It’s hard to enjoy something when your in pain.
Ben Apsley dude this is his opinion
One I got stapled
In the back row of
Fujiyama
The Togo hypercoaster
Fml
The whole point of the reviews is to get into depth about what the coaster is lacking, he tells us what to expect if we were to ride it ourselves based on his personal experience, it would be useless if he only pointed out the good things, im sure Taylor hesitates when telling the bad things about a roller coaster, he even acknowledges the fact that he enjoyed helix and that its not a bad ride, so that people wont take it the wrong way, what im trying to say is take all the things he is saying into consideration, dont overlook that bad things, and plus this is just coming from the perspective of someone who has spent years riding roller coasters, and knows things that other roller coaster enthusiast would want in a ride.
@@weeblewwe and then he gave railblazer a 10 and taron a 9.5... like.. what?
I'm not 100% sure but I think it's themed to a game because the name is: HELIX the next level and in the queue you can play this helix game to get fast pass
Omg, this channel has tons of good content, but I am DYING to see you guys review revenge if the mummy.
Yes the full review!!
8.5 is slightly lower than I was expecting. I was expecting a 9 tbh. :)
The "launches" are not "launches", Liseberg says that they are boosters that boost the train so it can maintain its speed. ua-cam.com/video/g6g3kX008Dw/v-deo.html
Got to 1 : 35 for it
10/10 best ride ever. Also don't know what you are talking about because the launches has a lot of force...
The theme of mostly all of the rollercoasters in Liseberg is gods. Like for example ODEN , VALKYRIA , HELIX
Anticipointment. The newest Dictionary entry lol
The coaster's theme is the "future" as stated in one of the Swedish ads for the ride.
I love your videos taylor there as so great
Helix is themed around a game that Liseberg created the game's ame is HELIX
Great he completed the video, If only this could happen with Top Thrill Dragster.
The soundtrack. The soundtrack.
The theme of HELIX is lika a futuristic one, it was supposed to be nature themed but they changed it to futuristic.
Wich one is smoother, Helix or Blue fire?
Perhaps it's a futuristic industrial theme. Glowy, modern and lots of metal.
Three Mackrides launchcoasters in europe? You wasn't at Movie Park Germany right? There is also a Mackrides launchcoaster called "Operation Enterprise". In my opinion the best Tripplelaunchcoaster ever!
But still a very nice review!
This review kinda disappoints me because the launches are mean't for momentum and not acceleration. I've ridden Slinky Dog Dash at Disney's Hollywood Studios (Yeah I know it's a family coaster) and the launches were just to gain momentum to go over the hills. And this is actually my #2 bucket list coaster in Europe (Behind Wildfire). Also you need to know that the hangtime you get from the inversions makes up for the weak launches, just saying. I know this is a long comment, but you need to know that not all launches need to be forceful so anyone could enjoy it because there could be people who hate coasters with extremely forceful launches (any S&S air launch or Fluch von Novgorod). And it's kind of surprising that i'm disappointed by this review because I enjoy your reviews, and the last time I was disappointed was for the Montu review (I guess I haven't ridden Afterburn). Hopefully you notice this.
I know the Theme!!
I do not have any solid source though but a story to confirm it. Once when I where about to jump on to it they had to stop the all trains for a short while due to "sanitary issues" (what could possibly cause that??). Meanwhile the staff made a competition for all of us waiting at the station, giving a Helix deck of cards the one who could give the correct answer to the following question: What is the theme of Helix?
Correct answer: Computer Games!
*_-Helix is the icon rollercoaster domina-_*-
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I was there just a week ago and i thought it feelt pretty smooth
This kids hard to please. Possibly raised with everything he ever wanted. Pampered baby.
When do you make the blue fire and silver star review? I would like to see these. Great video
LETS GOOOOOOO
Helix dont really have a theme, its hard for a park to theme a ride in this size. But what Liseberg was going for is a nature style ride. For example the track is green so it can blend in the trees and bushes. Thats why everything is green, "its from nature". A video from 2012 when they announced helix at the begining it says "inspired by nature". So the shorten everythin helix theme is nature you could say