I have used both for pike and musky fishing, and now I use Flourocarbon for almost everything. More fish, no disadvantages. I use pre-made 100 lb or 130 lb fluoro with Fastach snaps. I love that combination. Good video, thanks!
I know for a fact Flora works better. Done the same tests as you with a pike angler with over 30yrs experience who’s also sponsored and gets paid for fishing…and hands down floor works better and catches more fish….ESPECIALLY on waters they are fished for on the regular…great video mate but I’m also gutted that now lots of people are going to know that little trick! We were ahead until now 😂
I used some 100lb fluoro leaders on my most recent fishing trip (pike fishing in Manitoba, about 2 weeks ago)...they were fantastic....much better to handle compared to steel and titanium that I used in the past....it's all I'll use now. Got some terminal tackle and line to tie my own.
Not much you can take from your experiences except on those two occasions it made a difference. I've been faffing with leaders recently for fishing small < 7cm lures. Wire is the only way forward with lures that size, so I've been trying different ones to see which impede the action of the lure the least. I've also noticed the connections make a difference. The type of snap link does have an effect, as does using a swivel to tie the main line to the leader. I've taken to connecting the main line to the wire leader with an Albright knot which seems to allow the lure to work better.
I have used both, tend to like fluro for clear water, your right about the diameter, bit if i had to choose one it would still be wire, as i have the confidence it wont deteriorate on my, with fluro i have to check after every fish in case it has a nick in it
With that in mind what's your thoughts on coloured braid ? I've always used green but last season I tried yellow for my perch fishing with a flouro leader and I've got to say my catch rate was down. Might of just been a bad year for me but who knows....~Back to green this year.
From Pike anglers club of GB and lure Anglers club For any who may be interested the response on the subject I got from the PAC was as follows: "It is very difficult to give a definitive answer to your question although The PAC would always recommend the use of a wire trace of 30lb or above. A heavy flourocarbon can and does work as a leader, however there is always the possibility that the pike could cut through it during a protracted fight." The angler I e-mailed from the LAS also replied: "Its not a material I am happy being used as a leader for pike. I have used it as an uptrace for perch rather than wire on one venue where carp and pike take baits intended for perch and had the body of the rig suffer a bite off with 80lb seaguar. I must point out I know a couple of people who have never suffered a bite off with the stuff though. I have also used yo zuri's fc in 150lb with sprats tied to it and no hooks just to see how easy it was for pike to cut through it, it was far too easy for them to do it. One major difference I found with the way I had constucted my leader and antony who uses it a lot was I crimped largeish open loops where he has the crimp tight to the clip, every bite off I suffered with the sprats was on the loop so maybe mechanically fc is more prone to failure the way I set it up." ~ For the time being at least, as fluorocarbon doesn't seem 100% reliable, I will be sticking with wire for my traces. I will maybe try titanium, as I hear it's less prone to kinking. A bit pricy though. Thankyou to both and I hope this info is of use to anyone else considering different trace materials
My argument has been that I've never seen a fish bite off fluorocarbon BUT i have seen the damage a wire trace made when the fish wrapped itself whilst thrashing around. All boils down to personal preference. As long as the fluro is replaced the first sign of a nick in it is paramount
@@MJ-85 Making a decision like this based on purely personal experience is a flawed rationale... not trying to be derogatory towards you in any way btw... but if I reversed the line materials in your comment and said that was MY experience, would you take it as proof fluro is more dangerous ?... of course not ! .. This fluro vs. wire is like the circles vs. trebles controversy... only statistical analysis of proper research data can prove one is superior to the other... 🤔
@@MJ-85 I use nylon coated wire trace, harmless for the pike and confidence for me. I dont believe in the 'fluoro invisible underwater' , if we can see it the pike can for sure! Common lads, we have UV bright as can be hooks from BKK everyone seems to love and here we are thinking pike wont bite because of a steel trace...
Its a quandary we lure fish the canal for Perch on ultralight rods but there are a few Pike about and maybe we will get bitten off 30% of the time using 8lb braid and 10lb monofil leaders. The Perch have been very picky since new year so I've made some short 10lb steel braid traces to see if that helps with Bite Offs and doesn't put off the Perch . Question is at what point would Fluorocarbon be an option? Go thick and the Perch won't play go thin and the Pike are stealing my lures? 20lb Fluoro? we are not talking big Pike rarely we see one of close to 10lb
Hello my friend . Your video give me always knowledge . I use ultralight , light rod . I focus big fish taimen, pike .using ultralight rod , 1000 reel , 2,7kg fluorocarbon catch 1.02m taimen . But i have one big problem pike leader( wires) .my most lure suspending or floating, slow rising . But using steel leader my lure just sinking . Choice fluorocarbon leader it is always fail . Because ultralight vs big fish man it is so long battle and leader broke . I need solution 8
Fluoro might have a benefit in very clear water but in murky water I think Berkley wire have the upper hand, in non pressured waters where I fish. Just starring making 80lb wire traces with double krink sleeves on them. Will se in the next months if it makes differen and might work as well... .
Here in south Sweden, Blekinge near Eriksberg that's world famous for its pike, many many movies done there like pike fever/gäddfeber I use 80lb Berkley wire sometimes and sometimes 0,91mm Trilene. Haven't seen any difference between them really..
I also prefer fluorocarbon because it's lighter than wire. I use a lot of suspending baits and the wire causes the nose to sink a bit faster, and the action isn't as good as with a fluoro leader.
I purchased a new rod and reel, had a wire reader on it. Got nothing. Had a downsize rod with flourocarbon cast it out, and got Instant response. Took the downsize bait on my new rod, just to get a bite on the new equipment. Still nothing. Changed the leader on the rod to FC. Instant response. This was a process of several sessions in a water with VERY high fishing pressure.
I suppose you could make the argument that wire is less productive on pressured waters... BUT ... still safer than fluoro when it comes to bite-offs... two competing criteria... 🤔
I've had similar experiences with good fluoro sessions, but I'm not convinced. Bait position in the water is probably the biggest difference. A thin titan strand should be impossible for a pike to notice and hooks don't catch like in fluoro knots, so it's easier to fish with.
I do lure fishing pretty much exclusively for predators and I really don't think it makes any difference, we are playing to the fishes reactionary instinct, pike are not that smart.
If youre taregting pike they should go for anything, if you dangle a bit of fish on a hook long enough theyr will eat it, i just wish there was a way to avoid pike and id be happier using flouro i just want to catch lots of little fish without the risk of being bitten off
so little water compared to the amount of anglers here in the uk. there are so many shit lure anglers that hammer the fish and dont know what theyre doing with fish care no wonder its getting harder and harder to catch on public waters. Any advantage you can get is good at least when fishing the public/day ticket waters. different story if youre on a £2000000 a year trout stuffed year long waiting list to fish once type of reservoir/lake, then theyll hit anything
Just started using fluoro for pike and on my perch/trout setup big difference in bites. i just find I don't hit as many bites. actually think it is me needing to change how i fish not the equipment.
Hi Dan I don't think it's a good idea that you promote the use of fluorocarbon as a leader for any type of pike fishing publicly as a lot of people watch your channel and I do believe that there will be a lot of pike with lures left in there mouths once they have bitten through especially with barbed hooks 1 mm thick or not their teeth are designed to cut and razor sharp especially if you hook something big I always use wire trace when targeting pike and think that they do focus on the lure rather than the leader I also believe that it's about giving the fish a sporting chance rather than how many you can catch I have had an incredible amount of pike I'm my life big and small all on wire Some inexperienced anglers will be watching and I think they should always use wire Yes I am old school sorry
Have you ever actually used heavy fluorocarbon? I can tell you unequivocally that no matter the size of the pike, it will not bite through 1mm+ fluoro that is designed for use as leader material. If the leader breaks at that diameter it is due to faulty product or your knots (both of which are issues that can and do arise with wire) not the abrasion resistance of the fluoro. You have to change your leaders out often with fluoro, as if the leader is compromised in anyway then it has the possibility of failing, but again the same should be practiced when using wire. Wire doesn't give the fish a sporting chance, it cuts deep grooves into the mouths of the fish if hooked in an awkward area. It can also cause huge lacerations up the body of the fish if they spin in your line. There is absolutely no reason not to use fluoro (other than when using lighter lures as explained by Dan). I lived in the Netherlands for 6 years (pike we can only dream of in the UK), and have fished all through the big pike countries (Norway, Sweden) they almost exclusively use heavy fluoro, and have done for years, putting multiple record breaking pike on the boat with the stuff, it's not even a question if it holds up. A lot of the European anglers frown against deadbaiting, they don't like the fact that the pike are very often deep hooked when using bait, but still use fluoro, so that says something about giving the fish a "sporting chance" rather than just putting numbers on the bank. It's always made me laugh that these fellas pulling out 30+lb pike regularly, and have been doing for generations, all trust fluoro. But fellas in the UK who have a pb of 11lb caught off a deadbait on a commercial will lecture you on how "pike will easy bite through anything but 30000lb titanium wire" and how it's about being sporting not numbers.
Hhha fair play to you should I consider using fluro no thanks as any type of leader pulled tight could cause damage to the fish as I dont fish commercials whatever your opinion I'm sure Dan will be please with the debate it has caused as with most fishing situations it's your personal choice and I'm sure we would all agree that fish safety comes 1st .....tight lines
@@mattgoodchild8215 fluoro doesn't cut like wire. You've admitted youve never used it but you're talking about the properties of it as if you have, that's why it's pointless having the conversation with people like you.
Very rude of you I do use it for other species it's amazing stuff I'm sure a lot of other anglers would agree with what I'm saying nationally m8 sounds astho your always right kinda person enjoy ur fishing (with fluro) 😂
It makes a difference 100%, I don't see how anyone can think otherwise. Pike use their eyesight alongside their lateral line to actively hunt, so anything that doesn't visually look right they're less likely to hit. Something else you missed is that it's also better on the fish, doesn't cut into them if they wrap around your line, or slice into their jaws. The amount of fish with gnarly mouths cos of wire is shocking. Notice that it's only the stubborn ald heads who think it doesn't make a difference. Same fellas who were saying pike 100 percent can bite through fluoro only a few years ago, now they know they can't they say it doesn't make a difference anyway. Wake up grandad the future is now hahahaha.
Rarely read such a stupid comment. Fluoro is NOT 100% pikeproof. And a pike doesn't hit when it looks not visually right? Wake up, a pike in hunting mode! will hit anything! when its presented in the right depth. And the argument that titanium damages the fish more is completely bs. When you don't want to ,hurt' a fish you have to quit fishing.
@@user-nt4wj8my9o they do worry about the hooks and snaps. Fish aren't consistent, one day the hooks and snaps might be enough to put the pike off taking the lure, the next they aren't and the pike takes it fine, same can be said with the leader choice. Thing is the snaps and hooks are 100 percent necessary to catch the fish, a wire trace isn't. You're basically trying to make the presentation as realistic as is possible (which is obviously difficult cos your chucking a lump of plastic) why wouldn't you want a softer, clear trace over a heavy, opaque one. Think of them all as variables that will put the fish off. A wire trace is just adding another variable that makes you less likely to catch.
I have used both for pike and musky fishing, and now I use Flourocarbon for almost everything. More fish, no disadvantages. I use pre-made 100 lb or 130 lb fluoro with Fastach snaps. I love that combination. Good video, thanks!
Didn’t put a link to the fluoro in the description.
Hi Dan I truly believe it doesn't matter , when a pike is focused on the movement and sight of lure predator instincts kicks in .
I know for a fact Flora works better. Done the same tests as you with a pike angler with over 30yrs experience who’s also sponsored and gets paid for fishing…and hands down floor works better and catches more fish….ESPECIALLY on waters they are fished for on the regular…great video mate but I’m also gutted that now lots of people are going to know that little trick! We were ahead until now 😂
Hi Dan, what knot do you use with fluorocarbon cos its thick stuff. thanks.
Have just bought some florocarbon having a nightmare tying to swivel clip
What type of knot do you use ?
Dan, do you tie the fluro direct to braid? Also what is the most secure knot for attaching the lure clip.
I used some 100lb fluoro leaders on my most recent fishing trip (pike fishing in Manitoba, about 2 weeks ago)...they were fantastic....much better to handle compared to steel and titanium that I used in the past....it's all I'll use now. Got some terminal tackle and line to tie my own.
Not much you can take from your experiences except on those two occasions it made a difference. I've been faffing with leaders recently for fishing small < 7cm lures. Wire is the only way forward with lures that size, so I've been trying different ones to see which impede the action of the lure the least. I've also noticed the connections make a difference. The type of snap link does have an effect, as does using a swivel to tie the main line to the leader. I've taken to connecting the main line to the wire leader with an Albright knot which seems to allow the lure to work better.
What swivels and clips are you using? Or tying the lure straight on? I think it all matters tbh. Iv been using fluro for perch fishing on the canals.
Is there a link to pre made or now to make fluorocarbon leaders DB?
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@@pikeandperch thank you
Great information Daniel really enjoy you videos, when the river season opens could you do a video on catching chubb on lures please mate 👍
I have used both, tend to like fluro for clear water, your right about the diameter, bit if i had to choose one it would still be wire, as i have the confidence it wont deteriorate on my, with fluro i have to check after every fish in case it has a nick in it
Big up Tamworth , love you're videos too mate , can't wait for the rivers to open
With that in mind what's your thoughts on coloured braid ? I've always used green but last season I tried yellow for my perch fishing with a flouro leader and I've got to say my catch rate was down. Might of just been a bad year for me but who knows....~Back to green this year.
From Pike anglers club of GB and lure Anglers club
For any who may be interested the response on the subject I got from the PAC was as follows:
"It is very difficult to give a definitive answer to your question although The PAC would always recommend the use of a wire trace of 30lb or above. A heavy flourocarbon can and does work as a leader, however there is always the possibility that the pike could cut through it during a protracted fight."
The angler I e-mailed from the LAS also replied:
"Its not a material I am happy being used as a leader for pike. I have used it as an uptrace for perch rather than wire on one venue where carp and pike take baits intended for perch and had the body of the rig suffer a bite off with 80lb seaguar.
I must point out I know a couple of people who have never suffered a bite off with the stuff though.
I have also used yo zuri's fc in 150lb with sprats tied to it and no hooks just to see how easy it was for pike to cut through it, it was far too easy for them to do it. One major difference I found with the way I had constucted my leader and antony who uses it a lot was I crimped largeish open loops where he has the crimp tight to the clip, every bite off I suffered with the sprats was on the loop so maybe mechanically fc is more prone to failure the way I set it up."
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For the time being at least, as fluorocarbon doesn't seem 100% reliable, I will be sticking with wire for my traces. I will maybe try titanium, as I hear it's less prone to kinking. A bit pricy though.
Thankyou to both and I hope this info is of use to anyone else considering different trace materials
My argument has been that I've never seen a fish bite off fluorocarbon BUT i have seen the damage a wire trace made when the fish wrapped itself whilst thrashing around. All boils down to personal preference. As long as the fluro is replaced the first sign of a nick in it is paramount
@@MJ-85 Making a decision like this based on purely personal experience is a flawed rationale... not trying to be derogatory towards you in any way btw... but if I reversed the line materials in your comment and said that was MY experience, would you take it as proof fluro is more dangerous ?... of course not ! ..
This fluro vs. wire is like the circles vs. trebles controversy... only statistical analysis of proper research data can prove one is superior to the other... 🤔
@@MJ-85 I use nylon coated wire trace, harmless for the pike and confidence for me. I dont believe in the 'fluoro invisible underwater' , if we can see it the pike can for sure! Common lads, we have UV bright as can be hooks from BKK everyone seems to love and here we are thinking pike wont bite because of a steel trace...
Its a quandary we lure fish the canal for Perch on ultralight rods but there are a few Pike about and maybe we will get bitten off 30% of the time using 8lb braid and 10lb monofil leaders. The Perch have been very picky since new year so I've made some short 10lb steel braid traces to see if that helps with Bite Offs and doesn't put off the Perch . Question is at what point would Fluorocarbon be an option? Go thick and the Perch won't play go thin and the Pike are stealing my lures? 20lb Fluoro? we are not talking big Pike rarely we see one of close to 10lb
Hello my friend . Your video give me always knowledge . I use ultralight , light rod . I focus big fish taimen, pike .using
ultralight rod , 1000 reel , 2,7kg fluorocarbon catch 1.02m taimen . But i have one big problem pike leader( wires) .my most lure suspending or floating, slow rising . But using steel leader my lure just sinking . Choice fluorocarbon leader it is always fail . Because ultralight vs big fish man it is so long battle and leader broke . I need solution 8
Iv been using savage gear regenerator in 0.85mm it looks like flouro the canal I fish gin clear definitely catch more with it than the wire trace
What a bullshit
Oooohhh Have you an ginger fisherman had handbags???? 👜👜👜
P.s. love you both 🤣
Fluoro might have a benefit in very clear water but in murky water I think Berkley wire have the upper hand, in non pressured waters where I fish. Just starring making 80lb wire traces with double krink sleeves on them. Will se in the next months if it makes differen and might work as well...
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One of the biggest changes I made after watching you using fluorocarbon was to make that switch and I’ve caught loads more 🎣🎣🎣
Here in south Sweden, Blekinge near Eriksberg that's world famous for its pike, many many movies done there like pike fever/gäddfeber I use 80lb Berkley wire sometimes and sometimes 0,91mm Trilene. Haven't seen any difference between them really..
I also prefer fluorocarbon because it's lighter than wire. I use a lot of suspending baits and the wire causes the nose to sink a bit faster, and the action isn't as good as with a fluoro leader.
Is 30lbs wire really heavier than 100+lbs fluoro ?...
Perhaps the fluoro is just bouyant, especially at a larger test...
I purchased a new rod and reel, had a wire reader on it. Got nothing. Had a downsize rod with flourocarbon cast it out, and got
Instant response. Took the downsize bait on my new rod, just to get a bite on the new equipment. Still nothing. Changed the leader on the rod to FC. Instant response. This was a process of several sessions in a water with VERY high fishing pressure.
I suppose you could make the argument that wire is less productive on pressured waters... BUT ... still safer than fluoro when it comes to bite-offs... two competing criteria... 🤔
I've had similar experiences with good fluoro sessions, but I'm not convinced. Bait position in the water is probably the biggest difference. A thin titan strand should be impossible for a pike to notice and hooks don't catch like in fluoro knots, so it's easier to fish with.
its definitely about lure action depth and noise. Ive never noticed any difference at all using titanium vs flouro
Link?
Definitely getting some fluro now haha
it doestn make much difference to pike. if theyre in the mood they would hit a brick with a treble on, tried both
@@pvegod1484 I hope the fish was ok. Its not every day I come across someone fishing with bricks. At least with crocodile dundee it was a quick death.
I do lure fishing pretty much exclusively for predators and I really don't think it makes any difference, we are playing to the fishes reactionary instinct, pike are not that smart.
It does make a difference and a huge difference. Try it out actually, you'd be surprised
@@therealkosmora229no it doesn’t, I’ve used both and have had similar results. More so on the flexible 49 strand titanium.
If youre taregting pike they should go for anything, if you dangle a bit of fish on a hook long enough theyr will eat it, i just wish there was a way to avoid pike and id be happier using flouro i just want to catch lots of little fish without the risk of being bitten off
so little water compared to the amount of anglers here in the uk. there are so many shit lure anglers that hammer the fish and dont know what theyre doing with fish care no wonder its getting harder and harder to catch on public waters. Any advantage you can get is good at least when fishing the public/day ticket waters. different story if youre on a £2000000 a year trout stuffed year long waiting list to fish once type of reservoir/lake, then theyll hit anything
I live next door to Chew. You can fly fish for pike all day Easter to October. Loads of boats available every day and less than £50…
I'm usig mono still working well!
What lb test?
I use 0.74mm on my local canal and so far it has been ok
ive been bit off on 0.8mm using soft plastic frogs on the hook set, i try to use 1mm and above
I chose wire cuz i use light and small lures
Just started using fluoro for pike and on my perch/trout setup big difference in bites. i just find I don't hit as many bites. actually think it is me needing to change how i fish not the equipment.
I prefer Flourocarbon purely for fish safety 80lb braided mainline and 100lbs 1mm leader
Hi Dan I don't think it's a good idea that you promote the use of fluorocarbon as a leader for any type of pike fishing publicly as a lot of people watch your channel and I do believe that there will be a lot of pike with lures left in there mouths once they have bitten through especially with barbed hooks 1 mm thick or not their teeth are designed to cut and razor sharp especially if you hook something big
I always use wire trace when targeting pike and think that they do focus on the lure rather than the leader I also believe that it's about giving the fish a sporting chance rather than how many you can catch I have had an incredible amount of pike I'm my life big and small all on wire
Some inexperienced anglers will be watching and I think they should always use wire
Yes I am old school sorry
Well then we will have to agree to disagree
Have you ever actually used heavy fluorocarbon? I can tell you unequivocally that no matter the size of the pike, it will not bite through 1mm+ fluoro that is designed for use as leader material. If the leader breaks at that diameter it is due to faulty product or your knots (both of which are issues that can and do arise with wire) not the abrasion resistance of the fluoro.
You have to change your leaders out often with fluoro, as if the leader is compromised in anyway then it has the possibility of failing, but again the same should be practiced when using wire.
Wire doesn't give the fish a sporting chance, it cuts deep grooves into the mouths of the fish if hooked in an awkward area. It can also cause huge lacerations up the body of the fish if they spin in your line.
There is absolutely no reason not to use fluoro (other than when using lighter lures as explained by Dan). I lived in the Netherlands for 6 years (pike we can only dream of in the UK), and have fished all through the big pike countries (Norway, Sweden) they almost exclusively use heavy fluoro, and have done for years, putting multiple record breaking pike on the boat with the stuff, it's not even a question if it holds up. A lot of the European anglers frown against deadbaiting, they don't like the fact that the pike are very often deep hooked when using bait, but still use fluoro, so that says something about giving the fish a "sporting chance" rather than just putting numbers on the bank.
It's always made me laugh that these fellas pulling out 30+lb pike regularly, and have been doing for generations, all trust fluoro. But fellas in the UK who have a pb of 11lb caught off a deadbait on a commercial will lecture you on how "pike will easy bite through anything but 30000lb titanium wire" and how it's about being sporting not numbers.
Hhha fair play to you should I consider using fluro no thanks as any type of leader pulled tight could cause damage to the fish as I dont fish commercials whatever your opinion I'm sure Dan will be please with the debate it has caused as with most fishing situations it's your personal choice and I'm sure we would all agree that fish safety comes 1st .....tight lines
@@mattgoodchild8215 fluoro doesn't cut like wire. You've admitted youve never used it but you're talking about the properties of it as if you have, that's why it's pointless having the conversation with people like you.
Very rude of you I do use it for other species it's amazing stuff I'm sure a lot of other anglers would agree with what I'm saying nationally m8 sounds astho your always right kinda person enjoy ur fishing (with fluro) 😂
Hi
It makes a difference 100%, I don't see how anyone can think otherwise. Pike use their eyesight alongside their lateral line to actively hunt, so anything that doesn't visually look right they're less likely to hit.
Something else you missed is that it's also better on the fish, doesn't cut into them if they wrap around your line, or slice into their jaws. The amount of fish with gnarly mouths cos of wire is shocking.
Notice that it's only the stubborn ald heads who think it doesn't make a difference. Same fellas who were saying pike 100 percent can bite through fluoro only a few years ago, now they know they can't they say it doesn't make a difference anyway. Wake up grandad the future is now hahahaha.
Rarely read such a stupid comment. Fluoro is NOT 100% pikeproof. And a pike doesn't hit when it looks not visually right? Wake up, a pike in hunting mode! will hit anything! when its presented in the right depth. And the argument that titanium damages the fish more is completely bs. When you don't want to ,hurt' a fish you have to quit fishing.
So you think pike see the line, but they don't worry about all the hooks and snaps?
@@user-nt4wj8my9o they do worry about the hooks and snaps. Fish aren't consistent, one day the hooks and snaps might be enough to put the pike off taking the lure, the next they aren't and the pike takes it fine, same can be said with the leader choice. Thing is the snaps and hooks are 100 percent necessary to catch the fish, a wire trace isn't.
You're basically trying to make the presentation as realistic as is possible (which is obviously difficult cos your chucking a lump of plastic) why wouldn't you want a softer, clear trace over a heavy, opaque one.
Think of them all as variables that will put the fish off. A wire trace is just adding another variable that makes you less likely to catch.
Not even guna watch this, and the answer is Fluor