Just to re-iterate - No battery is changed! Its time to trust the Lithium Chemistry. - over 8,000 liters of petrol saved - just 70,000 rupees worth of electricity consumed. 1:00 - Ranjan's Story 3:09 - Regular Day for Ranjan and Blueey 4:30 - Range Anxiety , Running out of charge is a myth. 5:42 - Using the REVIVE feature when the battery is low 7:05 - Maintenance issues and support from Mahindra 7:53 - Major issue in 1 Cell of battery pack was faced and fixed. 9:25 - Turn around time by Mahindra Service team is high for EV's 10:30 - What advise for those who want to get an EV? 14:17 - EV manufacturers, please take owner feedback! 16:42 - What future EV's for Ranjan! So will all of you make the pledge to stop buying those petrol automatic cars that do more harm than good?
Firstly I am not with ICE engines, and would love the true electric/cleaner mobility to happen all over the world, not just in India. But what is the battery life in terms of charge/recharge cycles. For Lithium it is around 800-1200 cycles for safe usage. LiFePO4 is around 3000 cycles. Cycles is for full charge/discharge cycles, and since lithium doesn't have battery memory (as the industry says), the fraction cycles as fractions so even a twice the cycles with half capacity charging is the same as full charging after full discharges. So 1,00,000 kms divided by an average 100kms per charge is around 1000 cycles, so the battery lifecycle is at its near-end. How much for the new battery pack they say? Now add that to the 70,000rs for electricity bill and then divide by 1Lac and then we can get the exact running cost per km. Sorry bs doesn't sell as it used to sometime for now..
The lifetime depends on how fast you charge your battery. The lifetime rating is always with an charging speed at 1C. So a charging speed below 1C will help the battery to live longer. And by the way: lifetime of 3000 (LiFePo) circles means, that after 3000 circles, the capacity will drop. Battery will be not dead!
Battery condition after 3k cycles will not be good enough for EV purpose but can be reused for other loads like re-purposed ups/inverter battery. I have been using lithium chemical batteries since early inception into aeromodelling hobby, and they are good for only half their rated cycles and then they are used for other non-critical loads. lithium-polymer or lipo as it is popularly known in the hobby circles are good for ~100cycles and we were/are forced to buy new expensive batteries which suck a big hole, when compared to the oily greasy ICE engines that actually makes sense most of the time, minus the carbon coated oily hands. Don't know what and how to say more..
Ashok Revanna you are right. But it's just a matter of compare. My old Ice cars reached a mileage of 150kkm and the other 360kkm(!) Each car requires much maintenance like particle filters, turbochargers, sensors, belts and oil. In both cases I spend some thousand euros each year to keep them mechanically alive. Add the fuel price. A Mahindra e2o has a 16kwh battery. I expect a mileage of 200kkm until 70%SOH is reached. He take 3 Years to reach 100kkm, so lifetime is 6 years. With a random picked LiFePo cell for EV purposes, I would have a expanse of 6486€ to create a complete new battery pack! That's okay, it's 1081€ per year. worth it. So that's my price of I do it by self, Mahindra has other prices, say 5000€ for the pack. But now: the battery capacity which is built in the e2o is not the capacity which u can use. The car has a backup capacity, so the lifetime will be better. Means the expanse will be less. My self is driving an Kia Soul EV since 2016 with an actual SOH of 103% and an mileage of 36000km.
I used to own a hyundai eon which had a running cost of Rs.6/km in Bangalore. So, its like 6L for 1L kms. Also doesn't include avg. servicing cost of ~5k/10000kms which is again Rs.50k. Total Rs.6.5L/1L kms. Now even if running cowt of e2o is Rs.1/km instead of the advertised P.70/km, its 1L/1L kms. No idea about the battery life cycle and the replacement cost. Few researches say that the price of Li Ion has dropped by 45% from 2015 to 2017.
Congratulations Ranjan you are an inspiration to many... The best thing about your achievement is 8000 litres of petrol saved. I've always thought my first car will definitely be an EV :-)
Gaurav Sahu , i feel it hasn't saved 8000 ltrs. As Nano gives 20kmpl, for 100000 kms,it will comsume 5000 ltrs of petrol. Considering the High cost of the car & low range as it can't do high way trips, its limited to local usage. Also if battery pack fails, obviously it will as max life of lith. Batteries in mobiles is around 3 years, u will have to consider that cost too.
you should have clarified his doubts rather than being condescending. Seriously Indians these days can't even put their view point across in a dignified manner.
Ok even if he saved 1000 ltrs of petrol he inspired us. Many others are not contributing at all to save the environment. You said HIGH COST is an issue. EVs use completely new and evolving technologies. In past we used to buy black n white & non touch screen phones for 8000-10000 rupees. Now we have much better options for 5000-6000 rupees. Same is with EVs. And their cost is decreasing day by day. LOW RANGE? 80-100 km range is more than enough for daily city commute. And it increases with new models. There are EVs that give you upto 400kms range. And they are not concepts but actual production cars. You should watch this video... It will ease your range-anxiety. ua-cam.com/video/_MlB9LNsLCA/v-deo.html (Around Mumbai in an Electric Car : Reloaded - Mahindra e2o Plus P8, Range Test, EV stories) About battery failing.... Battery is maintenance free for 5 years. According to a study "EVs benefit from not requiring oil changes or other maintenance costs for exhaust systems. Studies have shown that this represents a 35 percent decrease in cost over time." And it runs on 1/5th the cost per kilometer when compared to petrol cars.
So happy to see this kind of content. This is what we expect from PluginIndia! Real EV users and actual real world facts. Mr. Ranjan Ray is a true believer and definitely deserve credit for staying electric! Hats off to PluginIndia for bringing us this video! Great interview by Farah Halim.
Wow! Ranjan also seems to hold the record range on a single charge. In an ICE car to drive 1Lakh Kms he would need 5,000 ltrs of petrol which would have cost ₹3.50 lakhs plus cost of 10 engine-oil-change services and a change of engine-belt-drive. All together a saving of at least ₹4lakhs!
I feel fuel saving are more than 5000 liter, petrol cars even the smallest Tata Nano can't give 20kmpl in city driving condition n Delhi people face more traffic jams.
Assuming if it is a petrol car, it would be easily more than Rs. 5 lakh in fuel cost, even for a small car. But if it is a CNG fitted car, then it is around 3 lakh.
I have purchased Okinawa Ridge 30 and within 40 days from date of purchase i have run it 1050 Km. I have Access 125 too but it lying standstill. I have saved approx. 1200/- of petrol. The electricity consumption so far is @ 20 paisa/km that is equal to 1050 x 0.20 = Rs. 210. Enjoying the ride of EV scooty as bonus.
Thank you sir, Surely i will update you after completion of 6 months. Your feedback on EV's really helps me. I foresee a day in India when all vehicle are soundless even the Bullet bikes too. Thanks again sir.
Thank u , Plug in India. You guys are great. This was a fantastic video. Hellooooooo Mahindra , are u guys listening or still sleeping.......... I am waiting for the tigor/tiago ev review.
I have a revai in Delhi(bought in 2011). Great car. Easy to drive and maintain. At least for the first two years. After that Mahindra stopped making spares OR sending spares to Delhi. So I started depending on my friends in Bangalore to Help. later I switched to a second hand spare parts dealer. Mahindra conveniently removed their revai website and any complaint section on this car. What people at Mahindra dont talk about is the cost of replacing a lead-acid battery (about Rs. 1.25 Lakhs). This makes up for all the low running costs. It is a pity, given the potential for EVs. But I am not buying my next EV till I see some good competition and technologies coming in.
that's the beauty of electric ...... all you have to worry about really is the suspension and battery longevity ..... if the motors are good quality they are so simple practically maintenance free ...... unlike combustion engines that have thousands of parts that can break down
Hi Mr.Ray, Congratulations for this milestone!! I drive an e20+ variant and i still don't believe i could achieve this on my odo. This video gives a comprehensive review of the pros and cons of the car. It is certainly a good car to drive around ,but Mahindra should now pull up their sleeves and work on the build quality and suspension of the car to be specific. I'm eagerly waiting for the Nissan Leaf to launch in India and hoping that it would be competitively priced. Kudos to all EV users in India!!
Thats inspiring... but as elecric vehicles become more acceoted, proper disposal and recycling of the batteries must be the primary concern... otherwise pollution will just shift from air to water and soil...
The Lithium-Ion battery packs have a longer life and have lots of materials that can be reused. When the lifespan of the batteries are over for the electric car, they tend to have a secondary life. They can be used to power a home as an inverter, for example. Here is an important statistic - "Lead acid car batteries are the single most recycled consumer good in the world." 98% of all the lead acid batteries are recycled as lead is a dangerous toxic substance. Similarly Lithium Ion batteries will be recycled and wont be thrown into a garbage dump!
I wish the companies had the same faith like you guys. You guys are early adopters whereas I belong to the early enthusiast section and we respect you people. You pave the path for us for something new. As you have rightly mentioned, keeping 5 digits in odo is really a sign that Mahindra just acquired Reva because Anand Mahindra believes in Electric, but the rest of the company don't share his vision.
I would like to know the charging efficiency ? . To charge a 16kwh battery (which is e2o plus's P8 model) how many units of electricity we require ? I have heard that charging efficiency is around 80% to 85%. it means to charge a 16kwh battery , we require 20 units of electricity. is it true ? please any one explain
16 kWh battery will mean = 16 units of electricity per charge. No such issues on efficiency. The PluginIndia team uses 10 kWh based classic e2o and 9-10 units are charged in our bill.
1lack kM for 70,000rs Means 0.7Rs per km 20 kms in just 14Rs Wow..!!!!!!!!🏵️🏵️🏵️ So, in 3 years cars become free of cost compare to present petrol price ... You can give it to trash and u can buy new one 🥰
Really a nice documentation! And in fact, it is a really nice car. It's a full developed car: it's useful, it's sustainable, it's intelligent and it is economic. 200000km will be no problem I believe.
Off grid Solar system fitting in home and Mahindra e2o or any other long range electric car will be good combo for people who travel daily 100km for jobs on bike or even cars like MS alto etc. No need to wait on petrol pumps, plus solar plant charges will be recovered after some time. On side note while you are at it fit a bigger solar plant e.g. costing 1.5 to 2 lakhs so you can make yourself self-sufficient for your electricity too ! I hope government reduces taxes on electric cars and bikes so more people will be willing to buy these cars...
Fantastic interview! Hearty congratulations to Mr Ray for the milestone and for being one of the foremost supporters of the EV movement in India. I'm also happy that this is one of the rare videos on UA-cam where nearly all the comments are positive. Posting this comment before the ICE brigade attacks :P
Dear Mr Ray, Congratulations on your record 1lakh km accomplishment!! I appreciate very much your enthusiasm and dedication. I, on the other hand, was looking forward to the issues of earlier models being addressed by the e2oPlus series, and on that premise purchased a P6 model last August. To my utter disappointment I have to briefly feedback....that most issues and suggestions I had experienced were fed back but have gone unaddressed for the last 8 months. In the latter part of the video you have said so many very important things....notably that Mahindra needs to take positive action on technical issues/suggestions from users. So many issues can thus be nipped in the bud. However, this requires the company to have an open mind to feedback and suggestions. They must appreciate that many owners are highly technically qualified enthusiasts. Suggestions need to be smoothly handled by a team of people working in coordination if improvements are to be successfully assessed and implemented. I have to reiterate and report that such a system does not exist at the moment. I had the unpleasant experience of being fobbed off from one person to another in Customer Care. The result was that most important issues I had raised regarding my e2oPlus6 have still not been addressed. There seems, at the moment, no point at which the buck stops! Any promised action is left with an open ended target time. The implementation of the software upgrades, and the recent e2oRemote App are so disappointing. The lacunae in the software upgrade is so delayed that my Owner's Manual Pg78 printed maybe 2 years ago has a line that says the software will be upgraded "later"!! The "upgraded" Remote App of 3 days ago does not work for the doors even. My complaints appear to have caused the Telematics to cut off many services without even intimation. For me, the most important "Vacation Mode" is defunct!! I am informed it will not work on P6. Why not....it is perfectly technically feasible!! By no means, Mr Ray, does anything I have said above, take away from your achievement. Please consider me an add-on with a later model. I predict that not only will you do another lakh km but a third lakh also. Such is the nature of the electric drive!!! No thanks to anybody. I hope that I have said above only follows on to what you have so politely expressed including improvements in the Plus Models!! On a positive note and thanks to persons like yourself and PlugIn India, I think things will get better....they have to, especially as ev competition jumps on the electric bandwagon starting 2018!! Thank you!!
Erich Leonhard thank you very much. Yes, we are stuck with a product that has inherent issues. So after many failed attempts, we as a community decided to take the bull but the horns. In most issues, we have been able get the service centre to figure out the problem and sort it out. It does take a lot of patience and a great amount of time though. Personally, I am waiting for Tata to launch their EV's. Hopefully, that will make Mahindra pull up their socks.
ranjanray26 Thank you Ranjan. Heartening to know there is a group tackling e2o and e2oPlus issues. I request to be included as a member to get other owner's views owner's and also share my own. I must admit that so far trying this as. an individual has been a very trying and time consuming experience. The " proper channel" just seems to be unable to achieve any results. A group will have a louder voice. So grateful for advice on how to become a member of such a forum. Thanks.
Get in touch with us at support@pluginindia.com with your personal details.We have EV groups for various regions, so let us know which part of India you are from, we can add u to that particular group.
Farah Halim Thank you Ma'am. I have just written to support@pluginindia. I must mention that I have enjoyed your interviews with Ranjan and Rita. Look forward to more with emphasis on many defects in present models...and yet launching of a new model, the e2oNXT with all these issues in the older models lying unaddressed. Thanks again.
What is the ground clearance like? I am using swift vdi now. Sometimes I have to ride on rough roads and even the unexpected speedbrakers come in the way..any suggestions?
every one please convert to electric transport. you save lot of money. thanks to inventer chetan mainey. offer 15amp plug to ev owners without hesitating because he is giving oxygen to environment.
So sweet electric experience,and these kind of steps is god for our economy and it make our economy independent and more developing as it will create more jobs by making more charging station with minimal amount of investment
Plz do a coverage on the mahindra e supero being used by himachal transport in shimla to provide access to the mall road from different parts of city 8 such vans in use best model for the rest of commercial user's
Very useful.. Thanks much for the info. I have an e2o plus and been liking it since i bought in Dec17. In the video, you mentioned about 10-20 maintenance problems and forum where these are discussed. I'd like to know all issues and how they were fixed. I went through various topics in the PlugInIndia forums, but couldn't find this info. It would be of great help if you could share these. Ex: In the video, when you mentioned about white smoke coming out of front seat, i was taken aback. However, knowing such issues might occur would help us better prepared instead of getting scared.
Mahindra Introduced this vehicle too early ages of EV era , ppl failed to digest EV concept , this vehicle is not in production now , Now they rebranded the same concept with different variants , trend is friend alwayz
Very comprehensive video. Mahindra has developed the best EV for India so far is what I can say. I am happy to see now both plunging into EV sedan segment as well. Few challenges many prospective users face which needs to be corrected. - not enough charging station. - society doesn't allow setting up charging station - office does not install charging station. If do then no place to charge since everyone wants to. - you might call it anxiety but those are real concerns since no-one wants to get stranded in the middle of the road. Was this driven just for the sake of driving because it is EV.
Read this www.pluginindia.com/blogs/apartments-and-electric-vehicle-charging Apartments are not an issue. Any electrician can install a 15 amp sockets. Where there is a will there is a way to charge EVs. Getting stranded in middle of road is myth. Not reality.
Thank you, to all involved, for making this video. Thank you for delivering it in clear English, so it is understandable by many people all around the world. That electric car is NOT available here, although recently several petrol or diesel models of "Mahindra" small trucks and jeeps became available here (Southern New Zealand). so maybe we will have cheap and small Indian made electric cars available to buy, here soon. Thank you again.
Always track the per kWh rate of Li-Ion battery pack. The current per kWh cost of Li-ion Cells is around $225 as purchased in bulk by companies. So a 10 kWh - which is on an electric car - should cost you - Rs 1.5 to 2 Lakhs as of now early 2018. As seen by this user who uses an electric car, a normal user can use Li-Ion battery pack for more than 7-8 years. By then the cost of per kWh rate of Li-Ion battery pack, might come down to 100$.
A nice car Having it for 4 yrs now. Inefficient service team, lack spares, high turnaround time, serious quality issues. Mahindra, just dont manufacture EV which you cannot understand or back it up with service & spares. Congrats on 1lakh kms...!
This issue? Ya, ok and that issue? Yes yes that too. And how about that mars issue? Ya that too. I faced them all. Seems genuine review, and that's why these vehicles are not trusted by users.
ranjanray26 sir do u invite in Mumbai the best can come to your home inspect the number of points u have see what u are using your electricity for and charge u accordingly so if I have to put a car charging point I have to take permission and pay a big price..
We have a large EV community in Mumbai, who live in apartments and have charging points in their buildings. Yes, permissions are required but not an impossible task. Also if you pull the wire from your meter, the society really doesnt have an issue. Try it out.
Congrats I won't be generalise thinks but I feel that co like Mahindra or Tata who are very average quality car maker will not able to do it. It is very much visible at dealership in Kolkata they know very little about the car it's just another product. Just assembly is done in India by buying knock down kit from vendors. Price has not reduced much but battery price are falling it's just as much a green pr. Traditional car maker won't be able to do it. Just see GM and Tesla. Hope things will improve and completion will increase price falls and sevice and quality increase.
Just to re-iterate - No battery is changed! Its time to trust the Lithium Chemistry.
- over 8,000 liters of petrol saved
- just 70,000 rupees worth of electricity consumed.
1:00 - Ranjan's Story
3:09 - Regular Day for Ranjan and Blueey
4:30 - Range Anxiety , Running out of charge is a myth.
5:42 - Using the REVIVE feature when the battery is low
7:05 - Maintenance issues and support from Mahindra
7:53 - Major issue in 1 Cell of battery pack was faced and fixed.
9:25 - Turn around time by Mahindra Service team is high for EV's
10:30 - What advise for those who want to get an EV?
14:17 - EV manufacturers, please take owner feedback!
16:42 - What future EV's for Ranjan!
So will all of you make the pledge to stop buying those petrol automatic cars that do more harm than good?
Firstly I am not with ICE engines, and would love the true electric/cleaner mobility to happen all over the world, not just in India. But what is the battery life in terms of charge/recharge cycles. For Lithium it is around 800-1200 cycles for safe usage. LiFePO4 is around 3000 cycles. Cycles is for full charge/discharge cycles, and since lithium doesn't have battery memory (as the industry says), the fraction cycles as fractions so even a twice the cycles with half capacity charging is the same as full charging after full discharges. So 1,00,000 kms divided by an average 100kms per charge is around 1000 cycles, so the battery lifecycle is at its near-end. How much for the new battery pack they say? Now add that to the 70,000rs for electricity bill and then divide by 1Lac and then we can get the exact running cost per km. Sorry bs doesn't sell as it used to sometime for now..
The lifetime depends on how fast you charge your battery. The lifetime rating is always with an charging speed at 1C. So a charging speed below 1C will help the battery to live longer.
And by the way: lifetime of 3000 (LiFePo) circles means, that after 3000 circles, the capacity will drop. Battery will be not dead!
Battery condition after 3k cycles will not be good enough for EV purpose but can be reused for other loads like re-purposed ups/inverter battery. I have been using lithium chemical batteries since early inception into aeromodelling hobby, and they are good for only half their rated cycles and then they are used for other non-critical loads. lithium-polymer or lipo as it is popularly known in the hobby circles are good for ~100cycles and we were/are forced to buy new expensive batteries which suck a big hole, when compared to the oily greasy ICE engines that actually makes sense most of the time, minus the carbon coated oily hands. Don't know what and how to say more..
Ashok Revanna you are right. But it's just a matter of compare. My old Ice cars reached a mileage of 150kkm and the other 360kkm(!) Each car requires much maintenance like particle filters, turbochargers, sensors, belts and oil. In both cases I spend some thousand euros each year to keep them mechanically alive. Add the fuel price.
A Mahindra e2o has a 16kwh battery. I expect a mileage of 200kkm until 70%SOH is reached. He take 3 Years to reach 100kkm, so lifetime is 6 years. With a random picked LiFePo cell for EV purposes, I would have a expanse of 6486€ to create a complete new battery pack! That's okay, it's 1081€ per year. worth it.
So that's my price of I do it by self, Mahindra has other prices, say 5000€ for the pack.
But now: the battery capacity which is built in the e2o is not the capacity which u can use. The car has a backup capacity, so the lifetime will be better. Means the expanse will be less.
My self is driving an Kia Soul EV since 2016 with an actual SOH of 103% and an mileage of 36000km.
I used to own a hyundai eon which had a running cost of Rs.6/km in Bangalore. So, its like 6L for 1L kms. Also doesn't include avg. servicing cost of ~5k/10000kms which is again Rs.50k.
Total Rs.6.5L/1L kms.
Now even if running cowt of e2o is Rs.1/km instead of the advertised P.70/km, its 1L/1L kms.
No idea about the battery life cycle and the replacement cost.
Few researches say that the price of Li Ion has dropped by 45% from 2015 to 2017.
In nagpur there are 7000 electric cars are being operated by ola cabs
Since 2016
Have you ever talked to those cab drivers about issues that are stereotyped with EVs???
Congratulations Ranjan you are an inspiration to many... The best thing about your achievement is 8000 litres of petrol saved. I've always thought my first car will definitely be an EV :-)
Gaurav Sahu but don't buy Mahindra
Gaurav Sahu , i feel it hasn't saved 8000 ltrs. As Nano gives 20kmpl, for 100000 kms,it will comsume 5000 ltrs of petrol. Considering the High cost of the car & low range as it can't do high way trips, its limited to local usage. Also if battery pack fails, obviously it will as max life of lith. Batteries in mobiles is around 3 years, u will have to consider that cost too.
Swapnil Natu - All your assumptions are like typical of Petrol heads and EV cynics.
Congrats. u need some more EV education!
you should have clarified his doubts rather than being condescending. Seriously Indians these days can't even put their view point across in a dignified manner.
Ok even if he saved 1000 ltrs of petrol he inspired us. Many others are not contributing at all to save the environment.
You said HIGH COST is an issue. EVs use completely new and evolving technologies. In past we used to buy black n white & non touch screen phones for 8000-10000 rupees. Now we have much better options for 5000-6000 rupees. Same is with EVs. And their cost is decreasing day by day.
LOW RANGE? 80-100 km range is more than enough for daily city commute. And it increases with new models. There are EVs that give you upto 400kms range. And they are not concepts but actual production cars. You should watch this video... It will ease your range-anxiety.
ua-cam.com/video/_MlB9LNsLCA/v-deo.html
(Around Mumbai in an Electric Car : Reloaded - Mahindra e2o Plus P8, Range Test, EV stories)
About battery failing....
Battery is maintenance free for 5 years. According to a study
"EVs benefit from not requiring oil changes or other maintenance costs for exhaust systems. Studies have shown that this represents a 35 percent decrease in cost over time." And it runs on 1/5th the cost per kilometer when compared to petrol cars.
So happy to see this kind of content. This is what we expect from PluginIndia! Real EV users and actual real world facts. Mr. Ranjan Ray is a true believer and definitely deserve credit for staying electric! Hats off to PluginIndia for bringing us this video! Great interview by Farah Halim.
Wow! Ranjan also seems to hold the record range on a single charge. In an ICE car to drive 1Lakh Kms he would need 5,000 ltrs of petrol which would have cost ₹3.50 lakhs plus cost of 10 engine-oil-change services and a change of engine-belt-drive. All together a saving of at least ₹4lakhs!
Thanks PluginCarooo. There are believers now :)
I feel fuel saving are more than 5000 liter, petrol cars even the smallest Tata Nano can't give 20kmpl in city driving condition n Delhi people face more traffic jams.
Assuming if it is a petrol car, it would be easily more than Rs. 5 lakh in fuel cost, even for a small car. But if it is a CNG fitted car, then it is around 3 lakh.
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5 lkhs is battery cost?so how can we be in profit after 1lkh km
I have purchased Okinawa Ridge 30 and within 40 days from date of purchase i have run it 1050 Km. I have Access 125 too but it lying standstill. I have saved approx. 1200/- of petrol. The electricity consumption so far is @ 20 paisa/km that is equal to 1050 x 0.20 = Rs. 210. Enjoying the ride of EV scooty as bonus.
Brilliant ! Thanks for the EV Story. Do contact us after 6 months, and send us an update
Thank you sir, Surely i will update you after completion of 6 months. Your feedback on EV's really helps me. I foresee a day in India when all vehicle are soundless even the Bullet bikes too. Thanks again sir.
Thanks for sharing your stories, It really helps! ♥
Even I have one! It's actually amazing
How is the Okinawa ridge doing now...any issues??
Wow! Awesome....Well done to you and Bluey too.......best wishes for shattering the 2,00,000 KM Milestone. Cheers
Thank u , Plug in India. You guys are great. This was a fantastic video. Hellooooooo Mahindra , are u guys listening or still sleeping.......... I am waiting for the tigor/tiago ev review.
You kept your words Plugin India, only the last week I saw 50K Km video and was wondering when this was gonna come.
I have a revai in Delhi(bought in 2011). Great car. Easy to drive and maintain. At least for the first two years. After that Mahindra stopped making spares OR sending spares to Delhi. So I started depending on my friends in Bangalore to Help. later I switched to a second hand spare parts dealer. Mahindra conveniently removed their revai website and any complaint section on this car. What people at Mahindra dont talk about is the cost of replacing a lead-acid battery (about Rs. 1.25 Lakhs). This makes up for all the low running costs. It is a pity, given the potential for EVs. But I am not buying my next EV till I see some good competition and technologies coming in.
that's the beauty of electric ...... all you have to worry about really is the suspension and battery longevity ..... if the motors are good quality they are so simple practically maintenance free ...... unlike combustion engines that have thousands of parts that can break down
Hi Mr.Ray,
Congratulations for this milestone!!
I drive an e20+ variant and i still don't believe i could achieve this on my odo. This video gives a comprehensive review of the pros and cons of the car. It is certainly a good car to drive around ,but Mahindra should now pull up their sleeves and work on the build quality and suspension of the car to be specific. I'm eagerly waiting for the Nissan Leaf to launch in India and hoping that it would be competitively priced.
Kudos to all EV users in India!!
Congratulations on ur e2o plus.
Nissan Leaf will be game changer
Thats inspiring... but as elecric vehicles become more acceoted, proper disposal and recycling of the batteries must be the primary concern... otherwise pollution will just shift from air to water and soil...
The Lithium-Ion battery packs have a longer life and have lots of materials that can be reused. When the lifespan of the batteries are over for the electric car, they tend to have a secondary life. They can be used to power a home as an inverter, for example.
Here is an important statistic - "Lead acid car batteries are the single most recycled consumer good in the world."
98% of all the lead acid batteries are recycled as lead is a dangerous toxic substance. Similarly Lithium Ion batteries will be recycled and wont be thrown into a garbage dump!
Thanks for sharing your experience in INDIA. we NRI in USA , APPRECIATE IT. CA, USA
I am interested but after 1 year, petrol and diesel price and pollution problem . Four door model is my favorite.
I wish the companies had the same faith like you guys. You guys are early adopters whereas I belong to the early enthusiast section and we respect you people. You pave the path for us for something new. As you have rightly mentioned, keeping 5 digits in odo is really a sign that Mahindra just acquired Reva because Anand Mahindra believes in Electric, but the rest of the company don't share his vision.
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I hope Anand Mahindra gets to see the Video and the Comments.
Awesome ! Planning to do the same ! mine has just done 7.5k kms. Need to do more
Well covered, genuinely disclosed the pros, cons and how the customer service could be enhanced.
Thanks for watching it all the way.
Great going Mr. Ray. Thank you Plug in for the video.
very nice! So clean and quiet and easy to drive, perfect for Indian environment and roads, can't wait to see the KUV electric
I would like to know the charging efficiency ? . To charge a 16kwh battery (which is e2o plus's P8 model) how many units of electricity we require ? I have heard that charging efficiency is around 80% to 85%. it means to charge a 16kwh battery , we require 20 units of electricity. is it true ? please any one explain
16 kWh battery will mean = 16 units of electricity per charge.
No such issues on efficiency. The PluginIndia team uses 10 kWh based classic e2o and 9-10 units are charged in our bill.
thank you very much for the information.
1lack kM for 70,000rs
Means 0.7Rs per km
20 kms in just 14Rs
Wow..!!!!!!!!🏵️🏵️🏵️
So, in 3 years cars become free of cost compare to present petrol price ...
You can give it to trash and u can buy new one 🥰
Really a nice documentation! And in fact, it is a really nice car. It's a full developed car: it's useful, it's sustainable, it's intelligent and it is economic.
200000km will be no problem I believe.
WE agree. This shatters all myths about e-Cars!
I would like to see if the plug in India team would go more in detail about the battery technology.
Very comprehensive review by a nice owner.
Must watch for all who r interested in EVs
Off grid Solar system fitting in home and Mahindra e2o or any other long range electric car will be good combo for people who travel daily 100km for jobs on bike or even cars like MS alto etc. No need to wait on petrol pumps, plus solar plant charges will be recovered after some time. On side note while you are at it fit a bigger solar plant e.g. costing 1.5 to 2 lakhs so you can make yourself self-sufficient for your electricity too !
I hope government reduces taxes on electric cars and bikes so more people will be willing to buy these cars...
Fantastic interview! Hearty congratulations to Mr Ray for the milestone and for being one of the foremost supporters of the EV movement in India. I'm also happy that this is one of the rare videos on UA-cam where nearly all the comments are positive. Posting this comment before the ICE brigade attacks :P
There are few who still can't believe! The ICE brigade are in their caves :)
Incase of lithium ion battery damage, what is the battery replacement cost?
Dear Mr Ray,
Congratulations on your record 1lakh km accomplishment!!
I appreciate very much your enthusiasm and dedication.
I, on the other hand, was looking forward to the issues of earlier models being addressed by the e2oPlus series, and on that premise purchased a P6 model last August.
To my utter disappointment I have to briefly feedback....that most issues and suggestions I had experienced were fed back but have gone unaddressed for the last 8 months.
In the latter part of the video you have said so many very important things....notably that Mahindra needs to take positive action on technical issues/suggestions from users. So many issues can thus be nipped in the bud. However, this requires the company to have an open mind to feedback and suggestions. They must appreciate that many owners are highly technically qualified enthusiasts. Suggestions need to be smoothly handled by a team of people working in coordination if improvements are to be successfully assessed and implemented.
I have to reiterate and report that such a system does not exist at the moment. I had the unpleasant experience of being fobbed off from one person to another in Customer Care. The result was that most important issues I had raised regarding my e2oPlus6 have still not been addressed. There seems, at the moment, no point at which the buck stops! Any promised action is left with an open ended target time.
The implementation of the software upgrades, and the recent e2oRemote App are so disappointing.
The lacunae in the software upgrade is so delayed that my Owner's Manual Pg78 printed maybe 2 years ago has a line that says the software will be upgraded "later"!!
The "upgraded" Remote App of 3 days ago does not work for the doors even. My complaints appear to have caused the Telematics to cut off many services without even intimation. For me, the most important "Vacation Mode" is defunct!! I am informed it will not work on P6. Why not....it is perfectly technically feasible!!
By no means, Mr Ray, does anything I have said above, take away from your achievement. Please consider me an add-on with a later model.
I predict that not only will you do another lakh km but a third lakh also. Such is the nature of the electric drive!!! No thanks to anybody.
I hope that I have said above only follows on to what you have so politely expressed including improvements in the Plus Models!!
On a positive note and thanks to persons like yourself and PlugIn India, I think things will get better....they have to, especially as ev competition jumps on the electric bandwagon starting 2018!!
Thank you!!
Erich Leonhard thank you very much. Yes, we are stuck with a product that has inherent issues. So after many failed attempts, we as a community decided to take the bull but the horns. In most issues, we have been able get the service centre to figure out the problem and sort it out. It does take a lot of patience and a great amount of time though.
Personally, I am waiting for Tata to launch their EV's. Hopefully, that will make Mahindra pull up their socks.
ranjanray26 Thank you Ranjan.
Heartening to know there is a group tackling e2o and e2oPlus issues. I request to be included as a member to get other owner's views owner's and also share my own. I must admit that so far trying this as. an individual has been a very trying and time consuming experience. The " proper channel" just seems to be unable to achieve any results. A group will have a louder voice.
So grateful for advice on how to become a member of such a forum. Thanks.
Hi Ranjan Ray, Still await your response to my Comment above.
Thanks.
Get in touch with us at support@pluginindia.com with your personal details.We have EV groups for various regions, so let us know which part of India you are from, we can add u to that particular group.
Farah Halim Thank you Ma'am. I have just written to support@pluginindia.
I must mention that I have enjoyed your interviews with Ranjan and Rita. Look forward to more with emphasis on many defects in present models...and yet launching of a new model, the e2oNXT with all these issues in the older models lying unaddressed.
Thanks again.
Can some one link me to the community page pls for the e20 as I can't seem to find it.
Great Ranjan. Respect to your thought process towards making the world greener.
What is the ground clearance like? I am using swift vdi now. Sometimes I have to ride on rough roads and even the unexpected speedbrakers come in the way..any suggestions?
e2o has a tall boy design. Most Indian roads are not an issue.
You are very lucky that you are still alive in country like india driving with such car for 1lac kms
Very good news. Congratulations to owner of CAR.This Artical should publication everwhere for buying Ev.
Congratulations Ranjan
Well done, you are absolutely correct when you point out that planning is the key.
the ODO stuck at 99,999 km.. LOL. I hope Mahindra works on this immediately.
Any solution to reset odo
Congratulations to mr Ranjan ray I think he should be awarded so that people get encouraged to use EV
Agreed
There was fighting going behind you guys... 13:04
😂😂😂
Good review.... Now we can hope to see more people adopting the electric vehicle's.. Would be waiting to see a 150k kms review....
every one please convert to electric transport. you save lot of money. thanks to inventer chetan mainey. offer 15amp plug to ev owners without hesitating because he is giving oxygen to environment.
Love your comment sir!
Any recent updates..?
Man I sincerely hope that you can shout at the top of your lungs "I told you so"
Congratulations,dear brother.This is a landmark achievement.
Great to see this. Half million ₹ saved. And God knows, how much green house gas.
There are believers now :)
how much km is battery life
Normal user can do 1.6 lakh km or more.
Does it good for hill like Darjeeling, Sikkim, J and k
Yes. There is a person using it in Dehradun
What is name of that voice recorder ? how much does it cost? can someone tell me or give a link? thank you.
Google Zoom audio recorder
In 2018 8000 litre petrol means 6lakh 80thousand rupees petrol
Little doubt any one plz answer. If we charged battery full then how much km we can travel
100 km
eVerito goes upto 140
Wow. I want an EV right now!! But maybe I'll wait for H cars
Hi, Mr. Ray, thank you for choosing EV. If you would please mention the total sitting capacity in your car.
So sweet electric experience,and these kind of steps is god for our economy and it make our economy independent and more developing as it will create more jobs by making more charging station with minimal amount of investment
Plz do a coverage on the mahindra e supero being used by himachal transport in shimla to provide access to the mall road from different parts of city 8 such vans in use best model for the rest of commercial user's
What price of second hand old Reva E2o
What is the car price
Very useful.. Thanks much for the info. I have an e2o plus and been liking it since i bought in Dec17.
In the video, you mentioned about 10-20 maintenance problems and forum where these are discussed. I'd like to know all issues and how they were fixed. I went through various topics in the PlugInIndia forums, but couldn't find this info. It would be of great help if you could share these.
Ex: In the video, when you mentioned about white smoke coming out of front seat, i was taken aback. However, knowing such issues might occur would help us better prepared instead of getting scared.
Is it possible to recharge by portable generator ?
Sure. You will need 3 kw load
What is the battery price and similar car on fuel cost?
Kya ev mai service hoti hai aur iska Insurance hota hai kyaa like diesel Or petrol??
Ev me service nahi hota
Bhot normal
Mahindra Introduced this vehicle too early ages of EV era , ppl failed to digest EV concept , this vehicle is not in production now , Now they rebranded the same concept with different variants , trend is friend alwayz
Very comprehensive video.
Mahindra has developed the best EV for India so far is what I can say. I am happy to see now both plunging into EV sedan segment as well.
Few challenges many prospective users face which needs to be corrected.
- not enough charging station.
- society doesn't allow setting up charging station
- office does not install charging station. If do then no place to charge since everyone wants to.
- you might call it anxiety but those are real concerns since no-one wants to get stranded in the middle of the road.
Was this driven just for the sake of driving because it is EV.
Read this
www.pluginindia.com/blogs/apartments-and-electric-vehicle-charging
Apartments are not an issue. Any electrician can install a 15 amp sockets.
Where there is a will there is a way to charge EVs.
Getting stranded in middle of road is myth. Not reality.
Thank you, to all involved, for making this video. Thank you for delivering it in clear English, so it is understandable by many people all around the world. That electric car is NOT available here, although recently several petrol or diesel models of "Mahindra" small trucks and jeeps became available here (Southern New Zealand). so maybe we will have cheap and small Indian made electric cars available to buy, here soon. Thank you again.
Thank you. We too wish you Drive an EV someday !
just go to showroom and tell them about this video and ask them when they can start selling in NZ ! If you don;t ask they will delay
Is the car still running??
Why no ac on?
How much will it cost for battery replacement, when it needs to be replaced??
Always track the per kWh rate of Li-Ion battery pack. The current per kWh cost of Li-ion Cells is around $225 as purchased in bulk by companies.
So a 10 kWh - which is on an electric car - should cost you - Rs 1.5 to 2 Lakhs as of now early 2018.
As seen by this user who uses an electric car, a normal user can use Li-Ion battery pack for more than 7-8 years.
By then the cost of per kWh rate of Li-Ion battery pack, might come down to 100$.
How about the battery specially with the hot climate?
Ranjan has used this e-Car in Delhi where there is lots of heat !
True. As what i know. Heat is as big a cause of battery failure as is cold. I hope the car don't overheat specially if you part it to an open area.
3 years later, what is the status of his car? how many more kms?
If electric car prices down for sure will switch to electric
Her smile is lovely
Will pass that message on !
PlugInIndia Whats her name?
Congratulations Sir 🥳
Congratulations Ranjan............but did the Mahindras contact you for your feedback?
Install solar panels to charge ur car batteries. It will reduce the consumption of coal to produce electricity.
Can someone share the link for the re:charge india mobile app
pluginindia.com/charging
Why nobody mentioning the cost to replace batteries ? How to calculate TCO without this info.
Battery will last
2500 cycle
Or 5lak km
A nice car Having it for 4 yrs now. Inefficient service team, lack spares, high turnaround time, serious quality issues. Mahindra, just dont manufacture EV which you cannot understand or back it up with service & spares. Congrats on 1lakh kms...!
We would always consider the e2o to be Chetan Maini’s car.
Yes the service experience is not consistent across locations
True, Reva had a better understanding of the car & tech staff too.
Hi how is this vehicle in hilly areas?? Is it good for rural roads??
city and good roads. not off roading
Battery is a heart of car. And have a risk factor.
This issue? Ya, ok and that issue? Yes yes that too. And how about that mars issue? Ya that too. I faced them all.
Seems genuine review, and that's why these vehicles are not trusted by users.
abhi inka kithna km huva fir se interviwe karo plzzz
Really cool. cool.. everyone's need to think about this world
what is the range on full charge
120 km
I love the fact that India is experimenting with EVs but I HATE that it's so bloody ugly! Please hire good designers!
What rate
Great job.. He seems to have a bunglow.. Mumbai is stuck with towers getting taller by the day
That is his office.
And I stay on the first floor of an apartment. Where there is a will, there is an available charge point :)
ranjanray26 sir do u invite in Mumbai the best can come to your home inspect the number of points u have see what u are using your electricity for and charge u accordingly so if I have to put a car charging point I have to take permission and pay a big price..
Do u know **
We have a large EV community in Mumbai, who live in apartments and have charging points in their buildings. Yes, permissions are required but not an impossible task. Also if you pull the wire from your meter, the society really doesnt have an issue. Try it out.
Thanks best of luck
Which Model P2,P4,P6 or P8?
Classic e2o
at last in India....
us ,China,and Europe are
ahead of us in tesla,Kia,jaguar I pace,leaf,and many more ahead of us
Price
what is the price of the car in usd?
10k USD
PlugInIndia, thank fyi.its cheap for an ev car.
That's too much. That thing is tiny. I'd say 7k would be reasonable price for that suitcase on wheels.
5.5 k tops
moron its 7.8 lac
what about its AC ? It has enough capacity for fairly enough Air conditioning!?
No issues with AC. Although the compressor is weak
Waiting for Tiago electric
Jio bhai jio.
This is called the JAGRUUK NAAGRIK
Sir how much the battery cost
Rs 1.89 lacs
How to reset odometer after reaching 99999
11:40 How did this man not get in a seriously deadly accident driving like that for over *100,000 km?
LOL
Good cover
What is price of this car
India is still not ready for electric..range issue and road trips are impossible,maybe 2030 this might come up
Congrats I won't be generalise thinks but I feel that co like Mahindra or Tata who are very average quality car maker will not able to do it. It is very much visible at dealership in Kolkata they know very little about the car it's just another product. Just assembly is done in India by buying knock down kit from vendors. Price has not reduced much but battery price are falling it's just as much a green pr. Traditional car maker won't be able to do it. Just see GM and Tesla. Hope things will improve and completion will increase price falls and sevice and quality increase.
Has ranjan did 1 lac kms with with one battery itself??? If not what ever the battery replacement / revival cost as the had burned a battery...
akshay kolte . Still running like new on the original battery pack :)
Thats really great