Outstanding demo in every way. Seriously, you nailed every aspect of making this review enjoyable and useful. Other folks who do these reviews should take note.
I appreciate your excellent, brief, yet thorough comparison, thank you. You saved me from spending money replacing what must be the 1028Ps in my 90's reissue Bassman, when I have Carl's Custom Amps hand wire the electronics. I also personally preferred the 1028Ps and am glad I already have them.
I agree with the comments of the poster. I'm kinda partial to the smaller amps, like a Vibrolux or a Princeton, so, as he mentioned, I really like the 1058. It rolls a little of the highs off in such a way that it creates a very rich tone. A definate step up from the Jensen ceramics those amps normally came with. I think an interesting comparison might be the 1058 vs. an Electric Lightning 50, which is part of the Jensen Jet series, in a small Fender amp (like a Princeton). Mostly, I'd be interested in clean sound quality at slightly above mid volume levels, comparatively.
Great work. That is how this type of videos has to be done. Camera mic and same riffs. Thanks. All of them are great, but I have problems to choose between the Legend 58 and the copper head
I would probably have bought the 101 Reverb if it was out when I got this, but otherwise I've been extremely happy and impressed with it, and not just for the size/price/lack of tubes.
Thanks for informative demo; I share your preference for the Alnico speaker; But I prefered the Copperhead better than the 1058. By the way, I have the Wizard 12" in a home made cabinet for my Vox NightTrain which compares to the celestion G12M greenback as you said; And the 10" Ramrod into a solid state Fender Mustang combo 20Watt, that improves the tones out of it ( original is Fender 8", but the 10" fits in well without mod).
1028P=15 watts, paper VC former, formed paper VC cap (formed dome), metal cup seal at Magnet Structure, VC vented thru spider only. 97 dB, Black frame, 1.005" dia magnet, 6 0z. Easily smoked! I've smoked them in my '64 Super Reverb + OD pedal on stage. MP10-R = 20 watts due to replacing the paper VC cap with a formed Felt dome VC cap providing more VC venting for heat dissipation. Everything else is the same as the 1028p. Will smoke just as easily as the 1028p. I've got a customers MP10-R on the bench now, stripping for recone. 1028k = 35 watts, polyimide (kapton) VC former and formed Felt dome VC cap. Everything else the same as 1028p. Contemporary 1028k (2010? - 2015? -to present day) = Eminence has replaced the magnet structure metal seal with a black fabric mesh material (not unlike the spider material) for even more venting. Everything else the same as 1028k. Paper VC former = bright sound, attenuated lower mids and lows. Kapton VC former = a bit warmer ( more lower mids and lows with the same highs as paper ) For comparison: Old and new Jensens use a 1.015" dia 7oz magnet. 93-94 dB. New Jensen p10r (made in Italy): 95dB The basket and magnet plate are peened together at 4 equidistant stubs, not welded like the old USA Jensen p10r. This is why many of the new Jensens rattle. Old jensen and Eminence are welded at 6 equidistant spots. Eminence frames and magnet structures display high quality manufacture. Everything lines up perfect and spot welds are perfect. Beautiful full frequency audio! If you are looking for a replica (sound and look) of the old Jensen, then try the VOR 10"speaker (voice of rock). That is as close as your gonna get, they sound just like a p10r when they were new. They are made with the exact construction as the old Jensens except for the VC cap, which they made out of formed felt because the old felt disc caps would wear out so quickly. Just tear that terrible looking VOR sticker off the back of the speaker and you'll be ready for the '50-early '60s thing. Plus they match the dB rating of the old Jensens. 93-94dB The 1028 has a slightly tighter VC gap than the Jensens or VOR, which accounts for the increased dB. I've never had to recone an Eminence blue alnico (the ones used in the early Bassman Reissues) but I hear that they used a 1.015" magnet instead of the 1.005"magnet. ??? And I've heard they are rated at 30 watts, which means they use a kapton or nomex VC former??? Or are they just the first 1028 to use a kapton former. No specs avail, Fender secret. For me, I only use the 1028k for my 10" fenders and I guide my fender customers in that direction also.
Interesting! I use a blue 1028, they were sold as a Fender replacement part until around 2018. No idea, if they are exactly like the ones in the Bassman reissues in the 90s or just new production 1028k... What speaker would you recommend to get a louder version of this sound in a 1*12 combo with two 6L6?
I'm pretty sure I read a long time ago that Fender used the 20 watt 1028P in their amps but as replacements had to be made from them blowing they used the 35 watt 1028k.
The Copperhead's truly sing , even clean,very distinct from others.Not entirely manageable when hard driven. I acquired a set of 1028k's in a Bassman style cab, and at first didn't know what to think in comparison to all the British voiced Celestions I'd been using.Now I fully appreciate the alternate response, and frequently use them as half of a two amp set up with a Bassbreaker."Articulate" is something you need to adjust to.
I have tried many 10" Speakers with a variety of cabinets and amps (mostly fender and mesa). My favorites are the Eminence Legend 1058, The WGS (Warehouse Guitar Speakers) G10C, and the Jensen Blackbird Alnico. I haven't tried the Celestion gold Alnico but that seems to be very popular. If you play mostly clean tones, the alnicos are better. If you play mostly overdriven stuff the ceramics do better with higher gain. The Blackbird adds a bit more low end beef as well. I will say though, it really does depend on the specific amplifier and the specific cabinet you are putting the speaker in. I like the 1058's with most of my amps, especially with gain tones. But on my '68 Princeton Reverb Custom, I like the G10C or the Blackbird better. One additional thing about the 1058 is the magnet isn't very big so it's pretty light in weight - which is especially nice in 2x10 or 4x10 configurations. Find them on sale and you can score 1058's pretty darn cheap too. There's a used 8 ohm Jensen Blackbird 10" for sale right now (3-17-22) on Ebay that looks like brand new. The modern alnicos (like blackbird) are more money but sound great and give a certain presence and compression you don't get with a ceramic speaker. I'm not a huge fan of the old style jensen alnicos - I've always felt they were rather harsh, but of course, you can EQ any speaker and adjust frequencies. The idea is to find one that works well in your amp/cab and puts what you consider the sweet spot somewhere where you have adjustability range on both sides of that for different envirnoments you may play in so you can get your sound anyplace you play.
Thanks for doing all this Research Hoodrio. Phenomenal job. Which is the Best 10" Replacement Speaker for a 65 Blackface Princeton Reverb ReIssue to: Retain Highest "Clean Headroom" and that Blackface Chime??? (getting my overdrive from Fulltone OCD & Barber Gain Changer S.R.) I preferred the Eminence 1058. Stay Safe everyone.
@@Hoodrio I listened once again to your great demo: I liked: Eminence Alnico 1028-P #1 - Eminence Copperhead #2 - Legend Eminence 1058 #3 - although I preferred the 1058 most with the heavy OD. I agree with your conclusion 100% - You really know your stuff.
Just put an Eminence Legend 1058 in my Laney cub 10. Don't miss the Celestion tube ten 30w att al. This is like night and day, now the amp sings like wow! Tubes are still stock, sounds great with this speaker. The transformation is totall. I will change the tubes, but now i don't feel i need to.
Liking your demo and presentation. I’ bought a 1965 VR w/Ragin Cajun’s in 2003 but would like change out one or both speakers now. I’m liking the 1058 and 1028 after hearing your demo. Maybe two 1058’s because for their balance and fullness, or two 1028’s. Any suggestions would be welcomed. Ty. 🔉🔉
Most of these "shoot outs" are a total waste of time. THIS ONE, was really done well, and was VERY informative. I hope that he does one on American voiced twelves at some point, and I hope that I run into it. Excellent job, Sir.
Mark Lehmann Thanks, Mark! I agree with you about speaker demos in general and was trying hard not to make those same mistakes. I'm not 100% satisfied with the sound on the video but you can definitely tell the difference between the three speakers and it does reflect the differences in how these three speakers sound live.
I have a late 80s fender solid sate Princeton Chorus amp - it comes stock with fender rebranded Eminence legend 1058 speakers in a 2x10 setup. I must say I love the tone very much!
@@johnkennedy6690 well, I picked up another Princeton chorus chassis, and put one channel to a Vox Pathfinder bulldog speaker and just put the other channel to a dummy load - and it sounds great. Making me think British voiced speakers may make this amp turn more into a British sounding amp in a cool way
It definitely can be. I had some Duncan Phat Cats, and the neck pup was super sweet but with the Quilter was just too boomy - Actually the reason I got the Auralex, which helped a lot.
at one time i had a re-issue bassman, i replaced the blue frames with the mojotones. pretty much the same speaker however, they sounded different. a little less top end. i had one re-coned. i am almost positive they have a kapton former. to be honest i think they sounded better. when i sold the amp i put the blue frames back in and kept the mojotones. they went in to a vintage bassman and stayed there for the longest time. i am now using re-coned jensens. 3 of them and 1 new jensen p10q.
@@Hoodrio Thank you for your kind reply. The cabinet does sound great. Would you know the thickness and material of the speaker baffle? I wish I could buy one from Nerby but since I can’t, I will have to try to reproduce it.
I wish my Quilter 101 mini sounded that Fenderish.. Mine sounds like I'm plugging into a 1/4" jack on a PA, no sparkle, no tube feel and sucky OD. Works OK with preamps and modelers. My Peavey Blazer 158 and Vox Pathfinder 15r practice amp's tones blow the Quilter away.
Yeah, it is a pretty dark amp and I ended up selling mine. It really needs to be cranked up a little bit to sound good and if I had to do it again I would buy the 101 Reverb because it has the full tone stack.
Ron Light It is the darkest of the three, but I'm still surprised since the Frontman is a blackface voiced amplifier. You would probably like the 1028 more if you are wanting it brighter.
@@soundofbluesthing I have the legend 1058 stock in my fender Princeton chorus amps. I understand what they mean by dark sounding, and I think it’s how they eq it. Because these speakers can have a lot of top end too - and it doesn’t sound dark. It’s like testing pedals and setting all knobs to noon. Some pedals may sound darker at those settings, but with a little tweaking will not sound dark. I just think the 1058s provide a little more beef if you want it - or perhaps isn’t as sensitive in the top end at lower volumes? But when you turn it up - things change
Outstanding demo in every way. Seriously, you nailed every aspect of making this review enjoyable and useful. Other folks who do these reviews should take note.
Thanks for the kind feedback, Adam!
I appreciate your excellent, brief, yet thorough comparison, thank you. You saved me from spending money replacing what must be the 1028Ps in my 90's reissue Bassman, when I have Carl's Custom Amps hand wire the electronics. I also personally preferred the 1028Ps and am glad I already have them.
Thanks for the feedback, Malcolm. It remains my favorite speaker and I would feel very fortunate indeed to have four of them in a bassman, congrats!
I agree with the comments of the poster.
I'm kinda partial to the smaller amps, like a Vibrolux or a Princeton, so, as he mentioned, I really like the 1058.
It rolls a little of the highs off in such a way that it creates a very rich tone.
A definate step up from the Jensen ceramics those amps normally came with.
I think an interesting comparison might be the 1058 vs. an Electric Lightning 50, which is part of the Jensen Jet series, in a small Fender amp (like a Princeton).
Mostly, I'd be interested in clean sound quality at slightly above mid volume levels, comparatively.
Great work. That is how this type of videos has to be done. Camera mic and same riffs. Thanks.
All of them are great, but I have problems to choose between the Legend 58 and the copper head
Ivan Carlos Santiago honestly, you can’t go wrong between those two speakers. They are both great!
Those Quilters look and sound great. Been considering none for a while, thanks for featuring them.
I would probably have bought the 101 Reverb if it was out when I got this, but otherwise I've been extremely happy and impressed with it, and not just for the size/price/lack of tubes.
@@Hoodrio I have the 201 and love it
The 201 is some serious shit. It's godsend
And to my ears, the alnico sounds best overall. Great demo, thanks!
Thanks for informative demo; I share your preference for the Alnico speaker; But I prefered the Copperhead better than the 1058. By the way, I have the Wizard 12" in a home made cabinet for my Vox NightTrain which compares to the celestion G12M greenback as you said; And the 10" Ramrod into a solid state Fender Mustang combo 20Watt, that improves the tones out of it ( original is Fender 8", but the 10" fits in well without mod).
1028P=15 watts, paper VC former, formed paper VC cap (formed dome), metal cup seal at Magnet Structure, VC vented thru spider only.
97 dB, Black frame, 1.005" dia magnet, 6 0z. Easily smoked!
I've smoked them in my '64 Super Reverb + OD pedal on stage.
MP10-R = 20 watts due to replacing the paper VC cap with a formed Felt dome VC cap providing more VC venting for heat dissipation. Everything else is the same as the 1028p. Will smoke just as easily as the 1028p.
I've got a customers MP10-R on the bench now, stripping for recone.
1028k = 35 watts, polyimide (kapton) VC former and formed Felt dome VC cap. Everything else the same as 1028p.
Contemporary 1028k (2010? - 2015? -to present day) =
Eminence has replaced the magnet structure metal seal with a black fabric mesh material (not unlike the spider material) for even more venting. Everything else the same as 1028k.
Paper VC former = bright sound, attenuated lower mids and lows.
Kapton VC former = a bit warmer ( more lower mids and lows with the same highs as paper )
For comparison:
Old and new Jensens use a 1.015" dia 7oz magnet. 93-94 dB.
New Jensen p10r (made in Italy): 95dB
The basket and magnet plate are peened together at 4 equidistant stubs, not welded like the old USA Jensen p10r. This is why many of the new Jensens rattle.
Old jensen and Eminence are welded at 6 equidistant spots.
Eminence frames and magnet structures display high quality manufacture. Everything lines up perfect and spot welds are perfect. Beautiful full frequency audio!
If you are looking for a replica (sound and look) of the old Jensen, then try the VOR 10"speaker (voice of rock). That is as close as your gonna get, they sound just like a p10r when they were new. They are made with the exact construction as the old Jensens except for the VC cap, which they made out of formed felt because the old felt disc caps would wear out so quickly. Just tear that terrible looking VOR sticker off the back of the speaker and you'll be ready for the '50-early '60s thing.
Plus they match the dB rating of the old Jensens. 93-94dB
The 1028 has a slightly tighter VC gap than the Jensens or VOR, which accounts for the increased dB.
I've never had to recone an Eminence blue alnico (the ones used in the early Bassman Reissues) but I hear that they used a 1.015" magnet instead of the 1.005"magnet. ???
And I've heard they are rated at 30 watts, which means they use a kapton or nomex VC former???
Or are they just the first 1028 to use a kapton former. No specs avail, Fender secret.
For me, I only use the 1028k for my 10" fenders and I guide my fender customers in that direction also.
Interesting! I use a blue 1028, they were sold as a Fender replacement part until around 2018. No idea, if they are exactly like the ones in the Bassman reissues in the 90s or just new production 1028k... What speaker would you recommend to get a louder version of this sound in a 1*12 combo with two 6L6?
I'm pretty sure I read a long time ago that Fender used the 20 watt 1028P in their amps but as replacements had to be made from them blowing they used the 35 watt 1028k.
The Copperhead's truly sing , even clean,very distinct from others.Not entirely manageable when hard driven.
I acquired a set of 1028k's in a Bassman style cab, and at first didn't know what to think in comparison to all the British voiced Celestions I'd been using.Now I fully appreciate the alternate response, and frequently use them as half of a two amp set up with a Bassbreaker."Articulate" is something you need to adjust to.
I have tried many 10" Speakers with a variety of cabinets and amps (mostly fender and mesa). My favorites are the Eminence Legend 1058, The WGS (Warehouse Guitar Speakers) G10C, and the Jensen Blackbird Alnico. I haven't tried the Celestion gold Alnico but that seems to be very popular. If you play mostly clean tones, the alnicos are better. If you play mostly overdriven stuff the ceramics do better with higher gain. The Blackbird adds a bit more low end beef as well. I will say though, it really does depend on the specific amplifier and the specific cabinet you are putting the speaker in. I like the 1058's with most of my amps, especially with gain tones. But on my '68 Princeton Reverb Custom, I like the G10C or the Blackbird better. One additional thing about the 1058 is the magnet isn't very big so it's pretty light in weight - which is especially nice in 2x10 or 4x10 configurations. Find them on sale and you can score 1058's pretty darn cheap too. There's a used 8 ohm Jensen Blackbird 10" for sale right now (3-17-22) on Ebay that looks like brand new. The modern alnicos (like blackbird) are more money but sound great and give a certain presence and compression you don't get with a ceramic speaker. I'm not a huge fan of the old style jensen alnicos - I've always felt they were rather harsh, but of course, you can EQ any speaker and adjust frequencies. The idea is to find one that works well in your amp/cab and puts what you consider the sweet spot somewhere where you have adjustability range on both sides of that for different envirnoments you may play in so you can get your sound anyplace you play.
please do not skip ahead - the whole story/guts of this video is BEFORE the tones. Thank you.
That was great and I liked the Legend best. Sounded aWeSoME!
Thanks for doing all this Research Hoodrio. Phenomenal job. Which is the Best 10" Replacement Speaker for a 65 Blackface Princeton Reverb ReIssue to: Retain Highest "Clean Headroom" and that Blackface Chime??? (getting my overdrive from Fulltone OCD & Barber Gain Changer S.R.) I preferred the Eminence 1058. Stay Safe everyone.
Michael Caz yes, 1058 will definitely get you more headroom than the 1028.
@@Hoodrio I listened once again to your great demo: I liked: Eminence Alnico 1028-P #1 - Eminence Copperhead #2 - Legend Eminence 1058 #3 - although I preferred the 1058 most with the heavy OD. I agree with your conclusion 100% - You really know your stuff.
Just put an Eminence Legend 1058 in my Laney cub 10. Don't miss the Celestion tube ten 30w att al. This is like night and day, now the amp sings like wow! Tubes are still stock, sounds great with this speaker. The transformation is totall. I will change the tubes, but now i don't feel i need to.
Outta my league here-but that was a great demo! I learned a lot!
Liking your demo and presentation. I’ bought a 1965 VR w/Ragin Cajun’s in 2003 but would like change out one or both speakers now. I’m liking the 1058 and 1028 after hearing your demo. Maybe two 1058’s because for their balance and fullness, or two 1028’s. Any suggestions would be welcomed. Ty. 🔉🔉
Most of these "shoot outs" are a total waste of time. THIS ONE, was really done well, and was VERY informative. I hope that he does one on American voiced twelves at some point, and I hope that I run into it. Excellent job, Sir.
Mark Lehmann Thanks, Mark! I agree with you about speaker demos in general and was trying hard not to make those same mistakes. I'm not 100% satisfied with the sound on the video but you can definitely tell the difference between the three speakers and it does reflect the differences in how these three speakers sound live.
I have a late 80s fender solid sate Princeton Chorus amp - it comes stock with fender rebranded Eminence legend 1058 speakers in a 2x10 setup. I must say I love the tone very much!
Have you tried other speakers in this amp? Curious, because I’m picking up one today.
@@johnkennedy6690 well, I picked up another Princeton chorus chassis, and put one channel to a Vox Pathfinder bulldog speaker and just put the other channel to a dummy load - and it sounds great. Making me think British voiced speakers may make this amp turn more into a British sounding amp in a cool way
Very nice video. Thanks. Any reccomendations on speaker choice for a fender super champ xd?
Michael Fern any of these three would be great in that amplifier.
@@Hoodrio Thanks for your reply
On the quilter Facebook page many say the mini 101 on the surf setting is a little over the top with bass . I don’t hear that here (?)
It definitely can be. I had some Duncan Phat Cats, and the neck pup was super sweet but with the Quilter was just too boomy - Actually the reason I got the Auralex, which helped a lot.
The 1028P is great in a Vibro Champ!
Is it available in 4 ohms?
at one time i had a re-issue bassman, i replaced the blue frames with the mojotones. pretty much the same speaker however, they sounded different. a little less top end. i had one re-coned. i am almost positive they have a kapton former. to be honest i think they sounded better. when i sold the amp i put the blue frames back in and kept the mojotones. they went in to a vintage bassman and stayed there for the longest time.
i am now using re-coned jensens. 3 of them and 1 new jensen p10q.
Hello,
Any advice which one to choose for a Pro Junior IV ?
Alnico all the way for a PJ.
@@Hoodrio thx, so which one is it ?
@@Vince1974 alnico 1028
@@Hoodrio sorry I thought maybe you were thinking of smth else.
@@Hoodrio can you elaborate why please ?
@Hoodrio Is that Nerby cabinet made of pine? Is it lightweight? Thanks for the comparison video
Yes, and yes. It is a great cabinet, but I believe he retired. Thanks for watching!
@@Hoodrio Thank you for your kind reply. The cabinet does sound great. Would you know the thickness and material of the speaker baffle? I wish I could buy one from Nerby but since I can’t, I will have to try to reproduce it.
1/2” birch ply
@@Hoodrio you’re awesome. Thank you so much again
I wish my Quilter 101 mini sounded that Fenderish.. Mine sounds like I'm plugging into a 1/4" jack on a PA, no sparkle, no tube feel and sucky OD. Works OK with preamps and modelers. My Peavey Blazer 158 and Vox Pathfinder 15r practice amp's tones blow the Quilter away.
Yeah, it is a pretty dark amp and I ended up selling mine. It really needs to be cranked up a little bit to sound good and if I had to do it again I would buy the 101 Reverb because it has the full tone stack.
Alnico 1028 gets my vote.
4:41 Clean tones
8:14 Overdriven tones
12:32 Conclusion
0:00 intro ;)
I put an Eminence 1058 in a Frontman 25, big mistake as the tone is now too dark.
Ron Light It is the darkest of the three, but I'm still surprised since the Frontman is a blackface voiced amplifier. You would probably like the 1028 more if you are wanting it brighter.
Maybe search for a Celestion G10L-35. It was used in the Marshall 1965 4*10 cabinets, but it works great with Fender or Vox clean tones
in these clips Legend 1058 is anything but dark...
@@soundofbluesthing I have the legend 1058 stock in my fender Princeton chorus amps. I understand what they mean by dark sounding, and I think it’s how they eq it. Because these speakers can have a lot of top end too - and it doesn’t sound dark. It’s like testing pedals and setting all knobs to noon. Some pedals may sound darker at those settings, but with a little tweaking will not sound dark. I just think the 1058s provide a little more beef if you want it - or perhaps isn’t as sensitive in the top end at lower volumes? But when you turn it up - things change
Alnico is my favourite