If they just list the actual RMS numbers and ditch the max I agree they would be at least respectable entry-level amps as far as the Cobalts go. But the market that they're targeting with these kind of amps doesn't really look past what the max power slapped on the front of the boxes. It's not really an excuse for them to do it cuz yeah it does damage the Branded makes people doubt whether the xrt or the hcca are actually doing the numbers they claim which every time they've been tested they meet and exceed their ratings but that's the gray area you run into with a lot of these budget hiwatt amps.
For the price, it's about where it should be. For someone just getting in to car audio it would be OK. Then they learn from there like we all did. The first amp I purchased was an American legacy 2000. I had no idea what 2000 watts was suppose to do back then. Probably only squeezed out 400 tops but hey, I had bass lol. Another great video as always.
Orion used to make their stuff here in Phoenix. They even had a street named after them in Tempe. I lived in a home not even a mile from there. They have since offshored everything, which is truly unfortunate. :/
@@alphaomega8373 - I would have paid the extra money for American made since it meant impeccable quality. You get what you pay for. Products from China are hit or miss and most car audio amplifiers are junk.
I absolutely love Rockford amps, not a real big fan of their subs but the amps (especially the power series) are legendary, and that's putting it lightly
@um me Did we have a convo that I don't remember having??? Cuz I said not a damn thing about Orion amp...... You said "fosbreak huh" insinuating that Rockford products break quick (which that couldn't possibly be further from the truth) but I said nothing about Orion
Rockford Fosgate is now at the top of my list and Orion and Soundstream have dropped down several notches overall in terms of the brand. Thirty years ago, it did not matter which Orion or Soundstream amp you were installing. All of them were incredibly good. Now you have to really research because some of their product lines absolutely suck. Rockford Fosgate has three lines (Prime, Power, and Punch) and all of them are very good. Pioneer has always been mid-market for the last four decades but they remain consistent and their equipment has been steady. Great value but NOT junk. Check out Audio Control. Finally after three decades they are doing amplifiers and they are pulling no punches. Finally, if it is available at Walmart, you can expect cheap but not necessarily that good without verifying. This channel is a huge help to assist making decisions.
Thanks for the video Ryan. I'm always tuned in and will support ur channel. I have been watching since ur very first videos. U hit the nail right on the head predicting what numbers and power it put out. I wasn't real impressed with the amp itself though. Rate it what it is. That's what they need to do. Doesn't even do half it's rated power. 1400 watt amp is all it is. Thanks man.
Ryan Blankenship I was impressed with the efficiency, but they couldn't even bother to give the actual specs in the manual? I'm ok with it being a 1400-1500 watt amp, but having zero accurate info is very troubling. What is the average person supposed to do? Guess the RMS wattage?
Orion is usually rated better. As someone else mentioned it's bad for the brand to overrate so drastically. That's why I'm here. I'm no longer interested in buying an amp without seeing a dyno.
@@docgray5004 If you have the money go with the HCCA series. Expensive but worth it. [I have two]. The XTR series should also be decent and do not go by some of the negative reviews on Amazon. Most of the one star ratings are from obsessive bassheads and I can tell they almost certainly made installation mistakes. "This amp will not drive a pair of 2-ohm 12" subs in parallel". Well, guess what? A pair of 2-ohms speakers in parallel is an overall impedance of *1* ohm! I mean how freaking loud does it really need to be? This amp *will* drive 1 ohm fine. But you just would not get 4500 watts out of it. If you need that get more amps and more subs. I mean, really!
Where do they get the "4500 watts" from, when it only does 1/3 of the power it says... I don't get why all companies can't just be honest with their ratings instead of overinflating numbers and making shit up.. Thanks for the vids man, they're always good to watch 👍
bassAce because they have customers online who are looking at pyramid and boss amps that say 4000 on the box. If they rate them properly they won't sell.
I guess that there are more people who dont care then do. Clueless people think that they are getting a good deal. When in reality they are getting ripped off. They target the clueless people to make more sales. I dont know how. Because lying never gets anyone anywere. Once the clueless people learn the truth. They will lose faith in the company. That will come back and hurt them in the long run.
Random Tube most of the people buying these amps will never know.the difference. Other like us become aware and then avoid certain amps. No biggie. And 150 bucks for a 1400 watt amp isn't exactly getting ripped off. It might mean noobs clip the hell out of their sub and blow em.
The Orion Cobalt brand has always been their entry-level series. Nothing wrong with having a beginner line for those who cannot or do not want to spend more money on the HCCA or XTR series. Not everyone wants to wall off their vehicle and run 16 subs. The problem here...and with most all manufacturers these days is the MAX WATTAGE nonsense. It has actually gotten worse in recent months. If Orion had rated this amplifier 500 watts @ 4 ohms, 1000 watts @ 2 ohms and 1500 watts @ 1 ohm, people would have stood up and said THANK YOU ORION for telling the truth. No one...and I mean NO ONE buying this amp for $179 or whatever the msrp is, really expects it to produce 4500 watts. Why play this silly game Orion???
Another great test!! Im currently getting geared up for my new build and I have 2 of the 15 in hcca spl subs and i also have 2 soundqubed 4.5 k to strap together to try in move these beasts so we will see what happens worse case scenario i have to take out my 3rd soundqubed 4.5 k that i have pushing my two 18 in zcons and go with all 3 but we will see.....Thanks again for the great Dyno!!!!
Tater T.V. How do you like your Zcons? I don't think I've heard any SSA subs in person. I'm only running a single Xtr 2500 right now, but I'm planning on building a lithium titanate or LiFePO4 battery soon so I can at least strap 2 together. 2 SQ 4500's strapped will be awesome.
I love my zcons, as they break in they are getting better and better, sounds like you you are getting yourself set up in the right direction , do u have any videos of ur setup?
Tater T.V. Not yet. I wasn't planning on taking video until I had at least 5k watts. 2500 watts on two twelves in an SUV didn't seem impressive enough to video lol. I just got back into car audio last year. Got a Skar RP-2k, a 300 amp alternator and 200ah of agm's to start. Just upgraded to the Xtr 2500 a couple months ago. Still on the same American Bass XR 12's for now. Next, I'll build the lithium battery. After that, I'll be comfortable running big wattage and more subwoofers.
This amp really surprised me with the 80 percent efficiency. I wish Orion was more honest about the rms watts though. At least put it in the manual. 1500 Rms@14.4 isn't bad at all. Not eath shattering, but not terrible. Good video!
Yeah, they would maybe even sell more amplifiers if they put real big on there that its a guaranteed 1500 watts RMS and just said compare to other brands 4500 watt amps. There is something to be said for telling the truth on this shit
audiophile thats why i said promote the truth and put compare to other brands 4500 watt amplifiers. They can still put 4500 watts on the box but just put compare to. I dont think the cobalt line is aimed at selling in the US market ..... but maybe they think this is what we like?
So I did some digging and a guy who owns "MD audio "now owns orion says they owned another" big" name ,turns out it pyramid and lanzar pro . Basically pyramid and lanzar are cheapening out the budget line in Orion with these max power ratings even on speakers. Hopefully the xtr, hcca hold on.
Jonathan Rampersad Lanzar Pro isn't the same as regular lanzar and Lanzar Pro makes the OptiDrive for lanzar so they aren't cheaping out but I agree these entry level amps aren't helping the brand. It's like what Epsilon did to SS and PPI after they had real strong relaunches and were using primarily in-house design's on there amps till about 2012 when Epsilon began their meddling to make the brands "more" profitable. Also Pyramid is owned by SoundsAround.
I have a old kicker zx2500.1 that's been a great amp. I've ran it at 1 ohm for the last 7 years and never had a problem. Would love to see what numbers it's putting out.
The thing with Orion is, the "max music power" rating, is always 4x the RMS rating of the product. My XTR Pro subs are 1250rms and "5000w max music power"
Yup! The "max music power" rating is marketing crap designed to appeal to the teenage and uneducated buyers. I mean look - they print the word "Loud" on the box. Really? You mean there are folks that don't know that amplifiers are there to make the music louder? Their target market is not after impeccable sound quality. Their target market is someone with a pair of cheap 12" subs who is trying to date some high school sophomore girl who could not tell the difference between Mozart and an elephant farting. These buyers do not have anywhere close to the cash required for a high end quality sound system that would typically have Alpine, Rockford Fosgate, Audio Control, or even the Orion HCCA series amplifiers driving their speakers. But, again, Walmart shoppers really should not be putting a $2000 sound system into a 1997 Ford F-150 (hail and rust damage included for free) truck that is worth $1000. You will never see this amp installed in a BMW or an Audi.
I bought a $150 dollar fleemarket SPL 4,500 watt amp and it had my 4 sundown audios flexing my windshield and roof of the car - I could even see my shirt move while I was outside the car next to the window 💯
Probably are not sold through the same retail channels as the XTR and HCCA. This is made for online and flea market sales to sell them something with an Orion badge.
um me I just picked up two of the XTR 1500.2 for mids/highs and a XTR 2500.1 for subs and I couldn’t be happier. Way more power than I expected. Amps run cool and super clean. You might want to check out the XTR and the HCCA dyno results from BIG D Wiz. They are no joke
um me yeah, Orion has changed hands a few times since the 90’s and it seemed they were just overpriced for what you got. They have done a 180 on the XTR and the HCCA line. The cobalt came up a little and the Z street is just embarrassing. But those are made in China and are just entry level stuff. The XTR and HCCA I believe is Korean made and have been putting down some impressive numbers. Totally underrated and good prices.
One thing I noticed when Orion tests there OWN amps they do double or triple power and ground inputs that's when these amps make the most of there power
This amp is still gonna pound for the price its reasonable. I bet if you put 2 12inch speakers rated to 4500 watts max this amp will beat the crap outta them almost every brand lies about there ratings. Almost not all... U get what you pay for. I just bought this for 130 thats pretty cheap and im pretty sure it will handle my apline type r just fine.
I love reading all the comments....most of us watching these videos are true bass heads. I'm not sure if everyone knows this, but most of the consumers who buy amps and speakers just want sound and a little boom. That is why companies make this stuff. Also everybody who talks trash about people buying cheap crap need to stop it. You would think everyone drops thousands in the trunk the way people talk trash...lol
They are just trying to make money like everyone else. People don't always have the money to spend on expensive brands of amplifiers. That's why Boss and Power Acoustik have made it this long. Expect other companies to eventually do the same or run under a different name and do it. But these companies have to sell to make money and I can't afford $300+ on every amp I buy. Thank you Ryan for showing the alternatives to choose from. Anyway if I spend $160 on an amplifier I don't expect 4500 watts or even half that amount.
Hey Ryan was wondering if u could get ahold of any kenwood and alpine amps just interested to see if either companys meetnor exceed their ratings. Thanks man
I love that the box show cea and iasca logos on it, giving the impression that the numbers are legitimate. Terribly misleading and I'm really disappointed that Orion would apply such a practice. It does do pretty good on power though.
I am as annoyed as anyone about the bs max power raitings. However, someone looking at this as an option probably has little knowledge about amps. If they market it at this price point as a 1,500 watt amp and some kid is looking at other budget amps with big numbers listed and printed on the box which amp will they choose? I have to figure thats what the marketing department was thinking when they pulled 4,500 out of thin air. Luckily we have a couple guys here on UA-cam that set the record straight. They are honest about how they got the amp and don't make shill videos. Thanks Ryan and Big d. I'm sure you've saved alot of people from making a bad purchase.
Problem is ALL the good amps had like a 20 year lapse. From the 80's to the 90's shit was boomin then it died off, come back around to the 2010's all of them sold out to shit companies. Granted if you can get Korean made they still beat the shit out of chinesseium
Jose Roberto I own a Xtr 2500dz as well. It has a ton of power, 2972 watts @ 1 ohm @12.6v on my bithsheet. You won't be dissapointed. Bass knob is kinda cheap, but it works fine.
To'Morrow White 2950-2975 @ 12.6v seems to be very normal for the Xtr 2500.1dz from what I've seen. I don't think I've seen a birthsheet under 2900 for this model.
Nice video, it’s kind of a shame Orion puts out this stuff, but I understand for someone looking to get started it’s “alright”. Keep up the vids got my like👍🏽
Adrian Turrubiates I think Orion needs to be more honest about the Cobalt line. Also, completely ditch the Zstreet line. Those are terrible amps and definitely degrade the brand. Cobalt amps wouldn't be bad if they were more honest.
i am putting together my first system and i went with a cobalt cb 1500.1D with a max power rating of 3000 watts lol, now i know it ain't getting near that but here's the thing, i picked up a orion xtr 122d that has a rating of 600 watts rms so i figure although it will never see 3000 it should be able to put out at least 600 watts right? its got 3 - 40 amp fuses. i'm dying to get it hooked up and see if i made the right choices in purchasing, do you think it will be enough to shake my ford escape a little bit?
I had the 2500w version of this amp. It wasnt bad for its size but old 2500d said 5kmax instead of 2500max and had 20 amps less fusing so if you buy the old 2500d model online and get the new one instead....Theyre going to have this problem until the old version is sold out so heads up that.
what’s a good amp i have this amp little older looking for something loader i have kicker 10 c10 on my truck right now.i have some 12 inch JL subs i wanna install,
Always remember, as a general rule, to cut max watts in half. Then +/- 200 watts, lol. I'm always happy about my products. But yes, some other companies, fosgate... are rated, or even under rated. I bought 2 of these cobalt amps on sale for 90 each, and paired it with 2 1522 xfl's, 1 ohm each at 1200 watts (rms) each speaker. Speakers are rated 1k watts rms, but im having no prroblems. If it smells when i crank the thing, i turn it down to cool off. Rocks like hell!!! Yet I can still get stronger subs and still have the power to push the new subs without buying new amps.
I wanna know if you ran a couple 4ohm dvc 10s wired down and ran it 1 ohm would this amp get hot????that's all i wanna know cause for the price right now there 130 bucks so for anything over 900 watts 1ohm stable this is decent.donr get me wrong i would hide it i wouldn't want anyone seeing it lol the looks honestly remind me of an old power acoustic amp i had awhile back.i just need a 1ohm stable amp that will put out at least 900 watts rms that won't get hot and fry so any advice on other brands or this amp would be greatly appreciated.thanks ahead of time
Personally I still call it a bust since there are no RMS ratings provided anywhere. Sure it's not a bad amp, but I don't believe in rewarding companies that try to be shady with my $$$ period. If they would have stated it was 1500 watts at 1 ohm and stuck with that I'd say it's a gem.
As soon as I see "Loud" printed on the side of the box with NO RMS RATING, I would not even bother considering it. Remember a junior in high school with his first (*very* used) vehicle that he scraped $800 to buy from working at McDonald's is going to drool when he sees *4500* *WATTS* and *LOUD* on the box all for under $200.00. As he stated in the video - maybe this is a market that will make them money. Fool enough high schoolers who simply do not have the money for a *real* audio system (or do not know any better) and just sell a lot of them. Made in China - you can pretty much make a buck selling any type of junk if you sell enough of it.
Blows me away that they don't post RMS numbers. Rms is a very important thing to know when buying an amplifier. To much Rms power is what blows speakers.
Tony Lester They definitely need to put the correct Rms numbers in the manual at the very least, but it's distortion (clipping) that kills subs. You can always adjust the gain down a little if your subs are overpowered.
Tony Lester usually takes alot though.... I got 2 DUAL audio bandpass box's the 12"S the OG areo port 1's & they are 13years old & still work today - they claim 500watts RMS each box I put them on 1100watts RMS for most their life I've put a powerbass asa3.400.2 400watt RMS @ 2ohm on a sumo 6.5" & it's been just fine 4 months later
Clean RMS would take alot to blow a sub and you would get lots of warning. Unlike clips where it could blow the sub quickly with not alot of warning time.
Clean RMS doesn't blow speakers on my car subwoofers they are rated at 1150 wrms each and I am running both of them at true 4kw rms they don't get hot or anything the old Kove Armageddon's. On my house stereo my tower speakers are rated at 60 wrms each I am running them at a true 225 wrms each they sound great no distortion or anything! I don't have any issue overpowering speakers with clean amplifiers you do get what you pay for my audio isn't really budget though I just wait for tax return's lol!
Thanks for all the replies fellas. Good to know information. I have an infinity reference 551a amplifier on a 12 inch infinity kappa. I have it at 4 ohms because I was worried that amp would be to much RMS for it. This channel had a amp Dyno of my amplifier and it does over 800 RMS on 2 ohms. That's why I selected 4 on the sub it is rated for 500 RMS.
Steven Patterson I know I took whatever I could get my hands on at first. I was extremely lucky that my uncle was into car audio before I was. My first equipment was an Mtx Blue Thunder setup that was basically gifted to me. I didn't know much back then.
have you ever heard of Addictive Audio, a place in Springfield IL sells this brand, and says it is one of the best budget amps around. Can you get one to test so we see for ourselves?
Remember the West Coast Customs line of amplifiers sonicelextronic.com used to sell? I have the 1600.4. Says it does 800 x2 bridged at 4 ohms. Paid 99 for it when they had them on sale a few years ago. It's running my 750wrms audiopipe TXXBE(extended foam surround) 26 pound dual 4 ohm subwoofer. Wondering if I am really getting 800 watts to each coil ;) the dual 40 amp fuses on amp says no lol. It's loud in my truck, yes. Pants-o-meter says around 300 to each coil, maybe.
Max power equation: RMS × RCA(# IN/OUT ports) = MAX POWER . this equation is whats (not) known as a variable equation. Which means , different models , brand name's and wattage classes will not use the same equation. For example a , Boss 3 jiggawatt amp rms equation is RMS × DOESNT MATTER = _jiggawatt @ - 45 ohms × 4 monoblock class z
not bad at all!, so what does my cb3500.1d put out then?, i guess ill keep it in the box, that it came in!, or use in my second car!, massive audio drago 5k, here i come!!!
I’m surprised Orion wouldn’t just post the actual RMS numbers. There has to be a reason like this some other company is building these amps and just paying Orion to use their name
This is Orion's bust line! Fake ratings is a bust IMO Only way I could respect max-power is if the rating is Dynamic maybe... Thanks for the videos keeping us informed!
The way things are going in our country you'd think companies would be honest about there product. Don't they get that brand loyalty is important for return business?
Wanted to see if you could give us an amp dyno of the cobalt 3500 strapped!! Please! Also I am wondering if someone can give me some advice please? Im looking into either strapping the cobalt 3500.1 or getting the audiopipe apmi 2000. Maybe even strapping that as well. Im gonna be running 2 Rockville K9 12’s D4. Im currently running 2 Sundown E12V3’s. Any suggestions on my setup would be awesome and thanks in advance to any who can respond!
I think it would be better if Orion called it honestly, like a 1500.1. They regained a bit of credibility with the XTR lineup and now they take a step back with this. From a marketing perspective the naming is bad because the XTR2500.1Dz is a true 3000Wrms/6000W dynamic (still crazy to me)... But then you have this Cobalt... How by the same convention can you call this a 4500.1??? Car audio noobs will get this over an XTR (bigger number, lower price... Obviously better /s)
recon440 I can understand needing a budget line for the newbies. I can even understand aggressive marketing on the budget line, but they need to post the real RMS ratings somewhere. Preferably on the box and in the manual, but they need to put it somewhere.
Fair enough. I think in the budget line game, it's status quo to post inflated numbers to get noticed as they are catering to the car audio noobs. I think that even if they posted the RMS ratings, it would still be questionable. The problem that arises is in the mid-tier amp lineup, when a company posts something fairly believable like 1500-2000W RMS,. Unless it's a reputable brand like RF or some of the bigger Korean makers (Sundown, Skar, etc...) then it becomes a grey zone in respect to the credence of the rating.
Agree but in the Walmart marketplace they are competing with Dual, Novashion, Boss Audio, Kinter, Fat Louie's Audio, and the rest of the junk brands and they are ALL inflating their numbers. Does anyone really believe you will get 1600 watts RMS of actual quality sound with 8 gauge power connectors for $94.99??
I think that there are people out there that buy stereo equipment simply for the social status of saying they have a system and really never research what they are buying they just see the name Orion and a high wattage number and they buy it. Also there are people who know better but they aren't making good money and and aren't patient enough to save up to get the xtra or hcca line. These amps are for them.
I was curious after watching, one simple thing why do you not show the amp, amp wired to the dyno and dynamic running at the same time. You know a simple play it all together proof. So you can assure any disbelievers of your testing.
I honestly don't have a problem with the amplifier itself. But I do have a big problem with them lying on the box. Lying is whats going to hurt the company.
I was an Orion fan until early 2000 like most of the old school companies it's just a name they use nowadays not the quality... it's sad to see this happening to all the good old companies that we knew back in the 80s or 90s there's a few companies still going strong today like Fosgate.. me personally I was a u.s. amps fan all the way before RE audio bought them and killed the name
Every time I see those Bell and Howell sunglasses on these stupid T.V. ads "from Bell and Howell - a name you can trust!". Do these managers and marketing directors think the public is that stupid? Maybe P.T. Barnum was right when he said "there's a sucker born every minute".
I find this fairly bizarre to an extent... I had the CB3500.1D for a while on the box it gave "MAX", "RMS" and "CEA" rated power... And clamp testing showed it did right about the CEA rated power in real world application... Shame such a well known company such as Orion has such inconsistent equipment and manufacturing
Last time I checked it was the consumers job to do research on ANYTHING THEY BUY! Price tells us the truth MOST of the time. 1500 watts for under $200... Par these days. Lol Orion XTR,soundqubed, and skar are budget enough in my opinion though. And in those cases I think you get a little bit more than what you pay for. The soundqubed and the skar boards are China's best 2000 watt boards in my opinion and worth every penny. I bet this Cobalt board is the same as the skar 1500 board with less quality internals and power supply.
the numbers is to just attract more buyers good thing we have u an big d wiz to run dyno for tru rms great job keep it up I have two mini amplifiers I would love u to dyno they r TDA 8954th 420/420 class d an the IRS 2092S 500WATT mono
not only that, but they also have only a 2 month warranty. The closest approved Orion shop is in Pitt, which I sure as hell am not going to drive 10 hours to get my crap installed just to get my warranty to be a yr., esp. when I am already educated and trained to install the damn thing properly my mother ducking self.
HCCA and the XTR lines are the the good lines of Orion. I bought a five channel Cobalt that didn't last long and Hooked everything up to 4 ohms and still heated up a lot. My guess is it was way overrated and it was just not enough amp to run all my speakers. I hate it when they are not honest with the power ratings. It's bad for the company image. At the time I did not buy another Orion 5 channel. I went with Sundown. It was a far superior amp. I wish Orion had an HCCA or XTR 5 Channel. That line puts out way more power than the ratings. Those are well built amps.
Orion still has the newer HCCA amplifiers in 1-, 2-, and 4-channel offerings and they are excellent based on the reviews I have seen. They also are not cheap! :)
That is all it is. I did the same thing too 30 years ago with a crap brand called Audiovox you could get at Zayre and Realistic from Radio Shack. Then I graduated from engineering school, got a job at Raytheon. And then discovered a new world with names like Orion, Precision Power, a/d/s, SoundStream, Alpine, and Rockford Fosgate. A lot of these kids in 15 years will be driving much nicer vehicles with much nicer sound systems once they are graduated from university. Hopefully they will go easy on the volume levels today so they are not deaf when they are 45 (like many rock musicians are learning the hard way) and can still enjoy the music. :)
I thought it'll do 1k. It did 1.5k. For the price and the features offered, this is a decent amplifier. Just wish the manufacturers would stop this "MAX" rating nonsense, with the RMS numbers this put out, 4500W is not even "peak" power, it is a completely bogus rating.
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As a fan of Orion please discontinue the Cobalt and Zstreet line or give real rating. It hurting the brand.
Alpha Omega z street should have never even started
If they just list the actual RMS numbers and ditch the max I agree they would be at least respectable entry-level amps as far as the Cobalts go. But the market that they're targeting with these kind of amps doesn't really look past what the max power slapped on the front of the boxes. It's not really an excuse for them to do it cuz yeah it does damage the Branded makes people doubt whether the xrt or the hcca are actually doing the numbers they claim which every time they've been tested they meet and exceed their ratings but that's the gray area you run into with a lot of these budget hiwatt amps.
Alpha Omega who ever was in charge of that OP just fucked it allll right the fuck up... lol
Ztreet Cobalt... bologna
I could understand a couple hundred watts off but 3k? fukin gahbage
I just bought a orion xtr2500 i was undecided between the xtr and the hifonics bxx4000 any toughts
Thanks in advance
Thank you Ryan. This amp seems to still represent the Cobalt line pretty fairly and accurately.
For the price, it's about where it should be. For someone just getting in to car audio it would be OK. Then they learn from there like we all did. The first amp I purchased was an American legacy 2000. I had no idea what 2000 watts was suppose to do back then. Probably only squeezed out 400 tops but hey, I had bass lol. Another great video as always.
Yup we all learn the hard way
I don't like these max ratings either, but I love that Fluke clamp with remote display! I be getting one of those!!
BigDWiz ohhhhhhhh big d is bitting Blankenship s style!!! Dang sonyin !!! 😁
BigDWiz I just saw u post u got it on Instagram lol
Worth the coin to save time!
BigDWiz damn right!
BigDWiz worth the " DIME " to save the time......I love my fluke clamp. Now that I work on Volvo it comes in very handy.
I've said it many times before. I like to call the max pwr number the ILS power "If Lightening Struck" it. 😂
Another good test 👍
Cyber Trucker Road Show This looks more like what we call ILS2 ratings. If lightning strikes twice.
Orion used to make their stuff here in Phoenix. They even had a street named after them in Tempe. I lived in a home not even a mile from there. They have since offshored everything, which is truly unfortunate. :/
had to or the 2500.1 would be 700 bucks instead of 330.
@@alphaomega8373 - I would have paid the extra money for American made since it meant impeccable quality. You get what you pay for. Products from China are hit or miss and most car audio amplifiers are junk.
I’d get a fosgate prime 1200 before I would even look at that amp, keep up the good work and keep us informed
I absolutely love Rockford amps, not a real big fan of their subs but the amps (especially the power series) are legendary, and that's putting it lightly
@um me You have obviously NEVER owned a RF amp cuz you would never say that if you did
@um me Did we have a convo that I don't remember having??? Cuz I said not a damn thing about Orion amp...... You said "fosbreak huh" insinuating that Rockford products break quick (which that couldn't possibly be further from the truth) but I said nothing about Orion
I have a Rockford p1000pd from 2002 and that bitch is still slamming
Rockford Fosgate is now at the top of my list and Orion and Soundstream have dropped down several notches overall in terms of the brand. Thirty years ago, it did not matter which Orion or Soundstream amp you were installing. All of them were incredibly good. Now you have to really research because some of their product lines absolutely suck.
Rockford Fosgate has three lines (Prime, Power, and Punch) and all of them are very good. Pioneer has always been mid-market for the last four decades but they remain consistent and their equipment has been steady. Great value but NOT junk.
Check out Audio Control. Finally after three decades they are doing amplifiers and they are pulling no punches.
Finally, if it is available at Walmart, you can expect cheap but not necessarily that good without verifying. This channel is a huge help to assist making decisions.
Thanks for the video Ryan. I'm always tuned in and will support ur channel. I have been watching since ur very first videos. U hit the nail right on the head predicting what numbers and power it put out. I wasn't real impressed with the amp itself though. Rate it what it is. That's what they need to do. Doesn't even do half it's rated power. 1400 watt amp is all it is. Thanks man.
Ryan Blankenship I was impressed with the efficiency, but they couldn't even bother to give the actual specs in the manual? I'm ok with it being a 1400-1500 watt amp, but having zero accurate info is very troubling. What is the average person supposed to do? Guess the RMS wattage?
Ryan Blankenship what about the ignite amps on amazon? Feelings on them?? 70 bucks and three fuses I can’t tell which ones
1400rms @1ohm for $169 is not that bad.
Was thinking the same but bothers me when they over rate shit the cobalt line is just covered in lies and BS
Orion is usually rated better. As someone else mentioned it's bad for the brand to overrate so drastically. That's why I'm here. I'm no longer interested in buying an amp without seeing a dyno.
@@docgray5004 facts i dont trust words on a piece of paper anymore
@@docgray5004 If you have the money go with the HCCA series. Expensive but worth it. [I have two]. The XTR series should also be decent and do not go by some of the negative reviews on Amazon. Most of the one star ratings are from obsessive bassheads and I can tell they almost certainly made installation mistakes. "This amp will not drive a pair of 2-ohm 12" subs in parallel". Well, guess what? A pair of 2-ohms speakers in parallel is an overall impedance of *1* ohm!
I mean how freaking loud does it really need to be? This amp *will* drive 1 ohm fine. But you just would not get 4500 watts out of it. If you need that get more amps and more subs. I mean, really!
you're right
Where do they get the "4500 watts" from, when it only does 1/3 of the power it says... I don't get why all companies can't just be honest with their ratings instead of overinflating numbers and making shit up.. Thanks for the vids man, they're always good to watch 👍
bassAce because they have customers online who are looking at pyramid and boss amps that say 4000 on the box. If they rate them properly they won't sell.
I guess that there are more people who dont care then do. Clueless people think that they are getting a good deal. When in reality they are getting ripped off. They target the clueless people to make more sales. I dont know how. Because lying never gets anyone anywere. Once the clueless people learn the truth. They will lose faith in the company. That will come back and hurt them in the long run.
Random Tube most of the people buying these amps will never know.the difference. Other like us become aware and then avoid certain amps. No biggie. And 150 bucks for a 1400 watt amp isn't exactly getting ripped off. It might mean noobs clip the hell out of their sub and blow em.
They get that 4500 rating from 20 volt input to 10% thd lol
The Orion Cobalt brand has always been their entry-level series. Nothing wrong with having a beginner line for those who cannot or do not want to spend more money on the HCCA or XTR series. Not everyone wants to wall off their vehicle and run 16 subs.
The problem here...and with most all manufacturers these days is the MAX WATTAGE nonsense. It has actually gotten worse in recent months.
If Orion had rated this amplifier 500 watts @ 4 ohms, 1000 watts @ 2 ohms and 1500 watts @ 1 ohm, people would have stood up and said THANK YOU ORION for telling the truth. No one...and I mean NO ONE buying this amp for $179 or whatever the msrp is, really expects it to produce 4500 watts. Why play this silly game Orion???
Another great test!! Im currently getting geared up for my new build and I have 2 of the 15 in hcca spl subs and i also have 2 soundqubed 4.5 k to strap together to try in move these beasts so we will see what happens worse case scenario i have to take out my 3rd soundqubed 4.5 k that i have pushing my two 18 in zcons and go with all 3 but we will see.....Thanks again for the great Dyno!!!!
Tater T.V. That should be impressive. Good luck with the build!
Thanks brother appreciate it and if u get a chance u can swing by my channel amd check out some of my builds, my progress and unboxings bro.
Tater T.V. How do you like your Zcons? I don't think I've heard any SSA subs in person. I'm only running a single Xtr 2500 right now, but I'm planning on building a lithium titanate or LiFePO4 battery soon so I can at least strap 2 together. 2 SQ 4500's strapped will be awesome.
I love my zcons, as they break in they are getting better and better, sounds like you you are getting yourself set up in the right direction , do u have any videos of ur setup?
Tater T.V. Not yet. I wasn't planning on taking video until I had at least 5k watts. 2500 watts on two twelves in an SUV didn't seem impressive enough to video lol. I just got back into car audio last year. Got a Skar RP-2k, a 300 amp alternator and 200ah of agm's to start. Just upgraded to the Xtr 2500 a couple months ago. Still on the same American Bass XR 12's for now. Next, I'll build the lithium battery. After that, I'll be comfortable running big wattage and more subwoofers.
The crazy thing is, I bought two of the 2500.1dz. No sticker but a damn cobalt comes with one
Trouble Ship i have 2 12’s on this cobalt 4500.1 n my shit bangs, getting 15’s soon thinking about running 1 of these to each sub
This amp really surprised me with the 80 percent efficiency. I wish Orion was more honest about the rms watts though. At least put it in the manual. 1500 Rms@14.4 isn't bad at all. Not eath shattering, but not terrible. Good video!
4om numbers not bad over 500 near 6 at 169 dollars beats boss 4000d
Yeah, they would maybe even sell more amplifiers if they put real big on there that its a guaranteed 1500 watts RMS and just said compare to other brands 4500 watt amps. There is something to be said for telling the truth on this shit
Casey Cross the guys buying a 4500 watt amp for 160 don't really care if it makes rated cause "it says 4500 on the box"
audiophile thats why i said promote the truth and put compare to other brands 4500 watt amplifiers. They can still put 4500 watts on the box but just put compare to. I dont think the cobalt line is aimed at selling in the US market ..... but maybe they think this is what we like?
Casey Cross it's not made for us
It's made for the 16 year old that "wants dat bass yo!"
So I did some digging and a guy who owns "MD audio "now owns orion says they owned another" big" name ,turns out it pyramid and lanzar pro . Basically pyramid and lanzar are cheapening out the budget line in Orion with these max power ratings even on speakers. Hopefully the xtr, hcca hold on.
Jonathan Rampersad Lanzar Pro isn't the same as regular lanzar and Lanzar Pro makes the OptiDrive for lanzar so they aren't cheaping out but I agree these entry level amps aren't helping the brand. It's like what Epsilon did to SS and PPI after they had real strong relaunches and were using primarily in-house design's on there amps till about 2012 when Epsilon began their meddling to make the brands "more" profitable. Also Pyramid is owned by SoundsAround.
I have a old kicker zx2500.1 that's been a great amp. I've ran it at 1 ohm for the last 7 years and never had a problem. Would love to see what numbers it's putting out.
The ZX near specified a 1 ohm rating cuz kicker didn't want to cover it but the ZX series monoblocks all did 1 ohm
The thing with Orion is, the "max music power" rating, is always 4x the RMS rating of the product. My XTR Pro subs are 1250rms and "5000w max music power"
Yup! The "max music power" rating is marketing crap designed to appeal to the teenage and uneducated buyers. I mean look - they print the word "Loud" on the box. Really? You mean there are folks that don't know that amplifiers are there to make the music louder?
Their target market is not after impeccable sound quality. Their target market is someone with a pair of cheap 12" subs who is trying to date some high school sophomore girl who could not tell the difference between Mozart and an elephant farting. These buyers do not have anywhere close to the cash required for a high end quality sound system that would typically have Alpine, Rockford Fosgate, Audio Control, or even the Orion HCCA series amplifiers driving their speakers.
But, again, Walmart shoppers really should not be putting a $2000 sound system into a 1997 Ford F-150 (hail and rust damage included for free) truck that is worth $1000.
You will never see this amp installed in a BMW or an Audi.
Love your videos always well explained
Came with a sticker!
STOP the Test! No further info needed, Def a budget gem.
I bought a $150 dollar fleemarket SPL 4,500 watt amp and it had my 4 sundown audios flexing my windshield and roof of the car - I could even see my shirt move while I was outside the car next to the window 💯
Why would such a good brand ruin themselves on the budget line?
$ $ $ $uckers
Probably are not sold through the same retail channels as the XTR and HCCA. This is made for online and flea market sales to sell them something with an Orion badge.
At least post real numbers, I’m sure more people would buy it out of honesty and for a low budget amp.
um me I just picked up two of the XTR 1500.2 for mids/highs and a XTR 2500.1 for subs and I couldn’t be happier. Way more power than I expected. Amps run cool and super clean. You might want to check out the XTR and the HCCA dyno results from BIG D Wiz. They are no joke
um me yeah, Orion has changed hands a few times since the 90’s and it seemed they were just overpriced for what you got. They have done a 180 on the XTR and the HCCA line. The cobalt came up a little and the Z street is just embarrassing. But those are made in China and are just entry level stuff. The XTR and HCCA I believe is Korean made and have been putting down some impressive numbers. Totally underrated and good prices.
Thanks for these Ryan. Your doing a great service
One thing I noticed when Orion tests there OWN amps they do double or triple power and ground inputs that's when these amps make the most of there power
This amp is still gonna pound for the price its reasonable. I bet if you put 2 12inch speakers rated to 4500 watts max this amp will beat the crap outta them almost every brand lies about there ratings. Almost not all... U get what you pay for. I just bought this for 130 thats pretty cheap and im pretty sure it will handle my apline type r just fine.
I love reading all the comments....most of us watching these videos are true bass heads. I'm not sure if everyone knows this, but most of the consumers who buy amps and speakers just want sound and a little boom. That is why companies make this stuff. Also everybody who talks trash about people buying cheap crap need to stop it. You would think everyone drops thousands in the trunk the way people talk trash...lol
They are just trying to make money like everyone else. People don't always have the money to spend on expensive brands of amplifiers. That's why Boss and Power Acoustik have made it this long. Expect other companies to eventually do the same or run under a different name and do it. But these companies have to sell to make money and I can't afford $300+ on every amp I buy. Thank you Ryan for showing the alternatives to choose from. Anyway if I spend $160 on an amplifier I don't expect 4500 watts or even half that amount.
Should test out one of these they're only a $159 Power Acoustik CB1-8000D 8000 Watt Mono Class D
Hey Ryan was wondering if u could get ahold of any kenwood and alpine amps just interested to see if either companys meetnor exceed their ratings. Thanks man
I love that the box show cea and iasca logos on it, giving the impression that the numbers are legitimate. Terribly misleading and I'm really disappointed that Orion would apply such a practice. It does do pretty good on power though.
I am as annoyed as anyone about the bs max power raitings. However, someone looking at this as an option probably has little knowledge about amps. If they market it at this price point as a 1,500 watt amp and some kid is looking at other budget amps with big numbers listed and printed on the box which amp will they choose? I have to figure thats what the marketing department was thinking when they pulled 4,500 out of thin air. Luckily we have a couple guys here on UA-cam that set the record straight. They are honest about how they got the amp and don't make shill videos. Thanks Ryan and Big d. I'm sure you've saved alot of people from making a bad purchase.
Problem is ALL the good amps had like a 20 year lapse. From the 80's to the 90's shit was boomin then it died off, come back around to the 2010's all of them sold out to shit companies. Granted if you can get Korean made they still beat the shit out of chinesseium
I just ordered a XTR 2500.1Dz amp, it should be here this Tuesday, how does the amp do on the lows, and what is bad about the bass knob?
Jose Roberto I own a Xtr 2500dz as well. It has a ton of power, 2972 watts @ 1 ohm @12.6v on my bithsheet. You won't be dissapointed. Bass knob is kinda cheap, but it works fine.
Yea the bass nob it's cheap but it works. And mine was 2950 at 12.6v
To'Morrow White 2950-2975 @ 12.6v seems to be very normal for the Xtr 2500.1dz from what I've seen. I don't think I've seen a birthsheet under 2900 for this model.
I have had mine since February an it still impresses me 2nd sub at 1500 watts I've blown...birth sheet says 2984
How is the cobalt 4 channel amplifier? Need something to power morel components and kicker KS 6x9
Budget gem for sure. $169 for 1500 dynamic 20 years ago hahaha.
Nice video, it’s kind of a shame Orion puts out this stuff, but I understand for someone looking to get started it’s “alright”. Keep up the vids got my like👍🏽
Adrian Turrubiates I think Orion needs to be more honest about the Cobalt line. Also, completely ditch the Zstreet line. Those are terrible amps and definitely degrade the brand. Cobalt amps wouldn't be bad if they were more honest.
Btw, when can we expect some new videos??
Still waiting on the Audiopipe apcl-18001d Dyno, But wouldn't waste my money on that Orion but the XTR amps are another story
Wow it amazes me that a company like Orion is doing something like that like you said that’s boss audio level shit.... crazy man
Can you dyno the Crunch PZ50201D? Nobody's done anything on this line
My xtr 2500 didnt come with a orion sticker wtf
conrado avila Mine either. Thier loss though. No free advertising.
conrado avila Just out of curiosity, what subs do you run with your Xtr 2500.1?
two SA 12' sundowns and yes the ampp is too much for them. But I adjusted it to work fine.
Mines didn't come with one either then that crap orion amp came with one
conrado avila niether did mine birth sheet was 2780 on the xtr tho
i am putting together my first system and i went with a cobalt cb 1500.1D with a max power rating of 3000 watts lol, now i know it ain't getting near that but here's the thing, i picked up a orion xtr 122d that has a rating of 600 watts rms so i figure although it will never see 3000 it should be able to put out at least 600 watts right? its got 3 - 40 amp fuses. i'm dying to get it hooked up and see if i made the right choices in purchasing, do you think it will be enough to shake my ford escape a little bit?
I had the 2500w version of this amp. It wasnt bad for its size but old 2500d said 5kmax instead of 2500max and had 20 amps less fusing so if you buy the old 2500d model online and get the new one instead....Theyre going to have this problem until the old version is sold out so heads up that.
What difference between
Orion cobalt Cb4500.1
Orion cobalt Cbt4500.1
what’s a good amp i have this amp little older looking for something loader i have kicker 10 c10 on my truck right now.i have some 12 inch JL subs i wanna install,
Always remember, as a general rule, to cut max watts in half. Then +/- 200 watts, lol. I'm always happy about my products. But yes, some other companies, fosgate... are rated, or even under rated. I bought 2 of these cobalt amps on sale for 90 each, and paired it with 2 1522 xfl's, 1 ohm each at 1200 watts (rms) each speaker. Speakers are rated 1k watts rms, but im having no prroblems. If it smells when i crank the thing, i turn it down to cool off. Rocks like hell!!! Yet I can still get stronger subs and still have the power to push the new subs without buying new amps.
Would you recommend two of these amps running two 15 vxf skars ?
Probably not unless they are extremely cheap
could it be an acronim to say 4 ohm at 500. 4500
I wanna know if you ran a couple 4ohm dvc 10s wired down and ran it 1 ohm would this amp get hot????that's all i wanna know cause for the price right now there 130 bucks so for anything over 900 watts 1ohm stable this is decent.donr get me wrong i would hide it i wouldn't want anyone seeing it lol the looks honestly remind me of an old power acoustic amp i had awhile back.i just need a 1ohm stable amp that will put out at least 900 watts rms that won't get hot and fry so any advice on other brands or this amp would be greatly appreciated.thanks ahead of time
Personally I still call it a bust since there are no RMS ratings provided anywhere. Sure it's not a bad amp, but I don't believe in rewarding companies that try to be shady with my $$$ period. If they would have stated it was 1500 watts at 1 ohm and stuck with that I'd say it's a gem.
As soon as I see "Loud" printed on the side of the box with NO RMS RATING, I would not even bother considering it. Remember a junior in high school with his first (*very* used) vehicle that he scraped $800 to buy from working at McDonald's is going to drool when he sees *4500* *WATTS* and *LOUD* on the box all for under $200.00.
As he stated in the video - maybe this is a market that will make them money. Fool enough high schoolers who simply do not have the money for a *real* audio system (or do not know any better) and just sell a lot of them.
Made in China - you can pretty much make a buck selling any type of junk if you sell enough of it.
But like 1500watts is no joke regardless. Cannot get some budget subs and use this amp without potentially blowing
Hey Ryan try to get the Audiopipe APDLI Series in a future testing!
The newer models say cbt4500.1d. Do anybody know if they perform the same? Same efficiency?
Blows me away that they don't post RMS numbers. Rms is a very important thing to know when buying an amplifier. To much Rms power is what blows speakers.
Tony Lester They definitely need to put the correct Rms numbers in the manual at the very least, but it's distortion (clipping) that kills subs. You can always adjust the gain down a little if your subs are overpowered.
Tony Lester usually takes alot though.... I got 2 DUAL audio bandpass box's the 12"S the OG areo port 1's & they are 13years old & still work today - they claim 500watts RMS each box I put them on 1100watts RMS for most their life
I've put a powerbass asa3.400.2 400watt RMS @ 2ohm on a sumo 6.5" & it's been just fine 4 months later
Clean RMS would take alot to blow a sub and you would get lots of warning. Unlike clips where it could blow the sub quickly with not alot of warning time.
Clean RMS doesn't blow speakers on my car subwoofers they are rated at 1150 wrms each and I am running both of them at true 4kw rms they don't get hot or anything the old Kove Armageddon's. On my house stereo my tower speakers are rated at 60 wrms each I am running them at a true 225 wrms each they sound great no distortion or anything! I don't have any issue overpowering speakers with clean amplifiers you do get what you pay for my audio isn't really budget though I just wait for tax return's lol!
Thanks for all the replies fellas. Good to know information. I have an infinity reference 551a amplifier on a 12 inch infinity kappa. I have it at 4 ohms because I was worried that amp would be to much RMS for it. This channel had a amp Dyno of my amplifier and it does over 800 RMS on 2 ohms. That's why I selected 4 on the sub it is rated for 500 RMS.
What's better Cobalt vs Hot set up by Orion? Lol
Well.... for kids coming in, they have to start somewhere...….. WE DID...!!!!
Steven Patterson I know I took whatever I could get my hands on at first. I was extremely lucky that my uncle was into car audio before I was. My first equipment was an Mtx Blue Thunder setup that was basically gifted to me. I didn't know much back then.
My first amp did over rated RMS power.
Steven Patterson not me I always had the best and always will I will never recommend this piece of shit to anyone
Ryan can u test a Synergy Audio EFA 1K see if they good/not or do more than rated?
have you ever heard of Addictive Audio, a place in Springfield IL sells this brand, and says it is one of the best budget amps around. Can you get one to test so we see for ourselves?
name of song played during testing ?
Can I request u do the boss r3400d it's under a hundred dollars and says 3400 wats max no rms ratings but has 3 40 amp fuse
Remember the West Coast Customs line of amplifiers sonicelextronic.com used to sell? I have the 1600.4. Says it does 800 x2 bridged at 4 ohms. Paid 99 for it when they had them on sale a few years ago. It's running my 750wrms audiopipe TXXBE(extended foam surround) 26 pound dual 4 ohm subwoofer. Wondering if I am really getting 800 watts to each coil ;) the dual 40 amp fuses on amp says no lol. It's loud in my truck, yes. Pants-o-meter says around 300 to each coil, maybe.
Can you do amp dynamo on Bassface db1.4 ;6000w 1ohm
Can you test a Kenwood 9052d please
well done Sir
Max power equation: RMS × RCA(# IN/OUT ports) = MAX POWER . this equation is whats (not) known as a variable equation. Which means , different models , brand name's and wattage classes will not use the same equation. For example a , Boss 3 jiggawatt amp rms equation is RMS × DOESNT MATTER = _jiggawatt @ - 45 ohms × 4 monoblock class z
not bad at all!, so what does my cb3500.1d put out then?, i guess ill keep it in the box, that it came in!, or use in my second car!, massive audio drago 5k, here i come!!!
anyone have any info on the XTR line of subwoofers?
I know there amps are bad ass that xtr 2500 is a monster i have one
Looks like these are built for those bandpass boxes. Of which i am not a fan....for almost 175 i guess is not bad
Can you test TEC gladiator 3k classD?
Ryan Blankenship in Italy is very famous this brand!i have this amp ad it's very good.
TEC audio gladiator 3k!
If you can taste it 😁
Ryan Blankenship ok thank you so much
I like Orion but even the original Orion amplifiers made in USA never did there rms power accept the extreme1200 my opinion
I’m surprised Orion wouldn’t just post the actual RMS numbers. There has to be a reason like this some other company is building these amps and just paying Orion to use their name
This is Orion's bust line!
Fake ratings is a bust IMO
Only way I could respect max-power is if the rating is Dynamic maybe...
Thanks for the videos keeping us informed!
Have you test this one.
ORION HCCA HCCA3000.1DSPLX, Class D Amplifier 3000 WATTS RMS 01 OHM
No but BigDWiz did
Please dyno the 2400w pioneer GM-d9601
Ryan Blankenship I can only find the 1600w dyno video of yours
damn I was only two watts off from my guess of the dynamic 1ohm test.
The way things are going in our country you'd think companies would be honest about there product. Don't they get that brand loyalty is important for return business?
Wanted to see if you could give us an amp dyno of the cobalt 3500 strapped!! Please! Also I am wondering if someone can give me some advice please? Im looking into either strapping the cobalt 3500.1 or getting the audiopipe apmi 2000. Maybe even strapping that as well. Im gonna be running 2 Rockville K9 12’s D4. Im currently running 2 Sundown E12V3’s. Any suggestions on my setup would be awesome and thanks in advance to any who can respond!
I'm tossed between this amp and the vfl audio st 4500.1
I like the VFL better, but the best deal is the VFL 5500.1, same board as the original Wolfram 2400.1d and JP23
Doesn't the skar rp 1500.1 do even more power though? lol
Pretty efficient!
I think it would be better if Orion called it honestly, like a 1500.1. They regained a bit of credibility with the XTR lineup and now they take a step back with this. From a marketing perspective the naming is bad because the XTR2500.1Dz is a true 3000Wrms/6000W dynamic (still crazy to me)... But then you have this Cobalt... How by the same convention can you call this a 4500.1??? Car audio noobs will get this over an XTR (bigger number, lower price... Obviously better /s)
recon440 I can understand needing a budget line for the newbies. I can even understand aggressive marketing on the budget line, but they need to post the real RMS ratings somewhere. Preferably on the box and in the manual, but they need to put it somewhere.
Fair enough. I think in the budget line game, it's status quo to post inflated numbers to get noticed as they are catering to the car audio noobs. I think that even if they posted the RMS ratings, it would still be questionable. The problem that arises is in the mid-tier amp lineup, when a company posts something fairly believable like 1500-2000W RMS,. Unless it's a reputable brand like RF or some of the bigger Korean makers (Sundown, Skar, etc...) then it becomes a grey zone in respect to the credence of the rating.
Agree but in the Walmart marketplace they are competing with Dual, Novashion, Boss Audio, Kinter, Fat Louie's Audio, and the rest of the junk brands and they are ALL inflating their numbers. Does anyone really believe you will get 1600 watts RMS of actual quality sound with 8 gauge power connectors for $94.99??
Holy hell 174amps @1ohms my 140a alternator wouldnt stand a chance, guess ill have to settle with the Jensen XDA91RB
I think that there are people out there that buy stereo equipment simply for the social status of saying they have a system and really never research what they are buying they just see the name Orion and a high wattage number and they buy it. Also there are people who know better but they aren't making good money and and aren't patient enough to save up to get the xtra or hcca line. These amps are for them.
I was curious after watching, one simple thing why do you not show the amp, amp wired to the dyno and dynamic running at the same time. You know a simple play it all together proof. So you can assure any disbelievers of your testing.
I honestly don't have a problem with the amplifier itself. But I do have a big problem with them lying on the box. Lying is whats going to hurt the company.
I'd take my apmi 2000 all day
2nd coming soon to strap em!!!!
Looks to be 60% efficient at 177a at 14.4v. 1500w
Please test the crunch gtr 3000.1
Thanks anyway
I was an Orion fan until early 2000 like most of the old school companies it's just a name they use nowadays not the quality... it's sad to see this happening to all the good old companies that we knew back in the 80s or 90s there's a few companies still going strong today like Fosgate.. me personally I was a u.s. amps fan all the way before RE audio bought them and killed the name
Every time I see those Bell and Howell sunglasses on these stupid T.V. ads "from Bell and Howell - a name you can trust!". Do these managers and marketing directors think the public is that stupid? Maybe P.T. Barnum was right when he said "there's a sucker born every minute".
Should put a Kagillion Watts on the box! Yeah! 👍
I thought the box was empty how easy he was flipping and moving it around 🤣😂🤣
It actually was... great thing about non linear editing lol
@@bigblank69 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Orion brand doesn't carry the weight it used too.
I find this fairly bizarre to an extent... I had the CB3500.1D for a while on the box it gave "MAX", "RMS" and "CEA" rated power... And clamp testing showed it did right about the CEA rated power in real world application... Shame such a well known company such as Orion has such inconsistent equipment and manufacturing
Anyone know of authorized online retailers for Orion?
nitroman365 Ebay 🤣😂🤣 seriously
Last time I checked it was the consumers job to do research on ANYTHING THEY BUY! Price tells us the truth MOST of the time. 1500 watts for under $200... Par these days. Lol Orion XTR,soundqubed, and skar are budget enough in my opinion though. And in those cases I think you get a little bit more than what you pay for. The soundqubed and the skar boards are China's best 2000 watt boards in my opinion and worth every penny. I bet this Cobalt board is the same as the skar 1500 board with less quality internals and power supply.
Dibeezy ThaGifted good point. I'd be interested to open those up and have a look. Side by side.
the numbers is to just attract more buyers good thing we have u an big d wiz to run dyno for tru rms great job keep it up I have two mini amplifiers I would love u to dyno they r TDA 8954th 420/420 class d an the IRS 2092S 500WATT mono
The amp catches on fire at 4500 watts
Probably at 1/2 ohm, yes!
not only that, but they also have only a 2 month warranty. The closest approved Orion shop is in Pitt, which I sure as hell am not going to drive 10 hours to get my crap installed just to get my warranty to be a yr., esp. when I am already educated and trained to install the damn thing properly my mother ducking self.
HCCA and the XTR lines are the the good lines of Orion. I bought a five channel Cobalt that didn't last long and Hooked everything up to 4 ohms and still heated up a lot. My guess is it was way overrated and it was just not enough amp to run all my speakers. I hate it when they are not honest with the power ratings. It's bad for the company image. At the time I did not buy another Orion 5 channel. I went with Sundown. It was a far superior amp. I wish Orion had an HCCA or XTR 5 Channel. That line puts out way more power than the ratings. Those are well built amps.
Orion still has the newer HCCA amplifiers in 1-, 2-, and 4-channel offerings and they are excellent based on the reviews I have seen.
They also are not cheap! :)
can i send my db drive a7 2000.1 so u can test
Test music starts...rob dances like a robot ......😳
A beginners amp for someone on a budget
That is all it is. I did the same thing too 30 years ago with a crap brand called Audiovox you could get at Zayre and Realistic from Radio Shack. Then I graduated from engineering school, got a job at Raytheon. And then discovered a new world with names like Orion, Precision Power, a/d/s, SoundStream, Alpine, and Rockford Fosgate.
A lot of these kids in 15 years will be driving much nicer vehicles with much nicer sound systems once they are graduated from university. Hopefully they will go easy on the volume levels today so they are not deaf when they are 45 (like many rock musicians are learning the hard way) and can still enjoy the music. :)
I thought it'll do 1k. It did 1.5k. For the price and the features offered, this is a decent amplifier. Just wish the manufacturers would stop this "MAX" rating nonsense, with the RMS numbers this put out, 4500W is not even "peak" power, it is a completely bogus rating.