1986 World Championship: Kasparov vs Karpov

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  • Опубліковано 14 чер 2022
  • Check out Ben's Chessable courses here! www.chessable.com/author/BenF... GM Ben Finegold discusses games and styles of play between Garry Kasparov and Anatoly Karpov from the 1986 World Championship match in London.
    REUPLOAD FOR CHANNEL CONSOLIDATION: Originally posted on the CCSCATL Channel on May 11th, 2021. Feel free to publicly shame anyone who comments that they've seen this before.
    This lecture was recorded April 14th, 2021, at the Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Atlanta (CCSCATL) in Roswell, Georgia.
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    11:33 Kasparov, Garry vs Karpov, Anatoly game analysis
    29:29 Kasparov, Garry vs Karpov, Anatoly game analysis
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      yea

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      And fries

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      So true bestie

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      🤣 spoken like a true chess enthusiast. You know...I don't want any more friends and then I wonder why I don't know more people who play chess. You wrapped it all up lol

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      Yeah

  • @lukeanderson6844
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    Ben makes me feel like the smartest person in my chair. Don’t touch my chair

  • @AquaticSkipper
    @AquaticSkipper Рік тому +66

    In the game of chess, you must never let your opponent see your pieces

    • @wicked5999
      @wicked5999 Рік тому +27

      That's why Tal smoked so much

  • @hugorneto
    @hugorneto Рік тому +18

    Go Ben! But also, stay there!

  • @h0wnr681
    @h0wnr681 Рік тому +12

    This is weird, I fell asleep last night watching your video on the 1984 match, then I wake up and find this, I'm somehow getting updates on decades old chess matches in real time.

    • @lellosbarello90
      @lellosbarello90 Рік тому +6

      You fell into Ben's trap of getting his opponents asleep to drop their flag and win

    • @answeris4217
      @answeris4217 Рік тому +2

      @@lellosbarello90 all about boring chess

  • @paulm2518
    @paulm2518 Рік тому +10

    More, we need more games!

  • @SoopahTallGuy
    @SoopahTallGuy Рік тому +7

    Phenomenal edit in the middle there, absolutely flawle - uh - I mean, what edit?

  • @kingpin1199
    @kingpin1199 Рік тому +12

    go ben

  • @pkeoghk5474
    @pkeoghk5474 Рік тому +8

    Thank you Ben and all the lovely people who work so hard to give us these fantastic videos.

  • @NelsonBoy2734
    @NelsonBoy2734 5 місяців тому

    Love the lectures

  • @Mathemagical55
    @Mathemagical55 8 місяців тому +2

    Sixteen games seems a good compromise length for a match. I don't like the 10, 12, or 14 game matches either but I hate blitz finishes even more. Just restore the champion retaining the title in the event of a tied match.

  • @joycejulep9115
    @joycejulep9115 Рік тому +3

    I like how Ben tells stories

  • @AndrewIsbell
    @AndrewIsbell Рік тому

    Thank you I enjoyed this

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    @danicajohnson2664 Рік тому +3

    Some of these lectures were filmed before you were born!!

  • @666nevermore
    @666nevermore Рік тому +1

    Bro I swear that this intro puts a smile on me every time I have no idea why, but I’m happy about it

  • @davidblack2970
    @davidblack2970 Рік тому +2

    You might have mentioned that Fischer/Karpov would have indeed happened had FIDE accepted Fisher's final condition, that the challenger had to win not only 10 games but also by a two-point margin. So a 10-9 'win' by the challenger would still have been insufficient to win the title.

  • @GabrielOshiro
    @GabrielOshiro Рік тому +9

    Karpov and Kasparov, one did this one did that....
    *In the rythm of Paul Revere*
    He did it like this
    He did it like that
    He did it with a whiffle ballbat
    So I'm on the run the cop got my gun
    Right about now is time to have some fun
    The king Adrock that is my name
    And I know the fly spot where they got the champagne
    Don't forget that

  • @kj01a
    @kj01a Рік тому +5

    1:41 Ben Finegold = Bruce Banner, confirmed.

  • @GraemeCree
    @GraemeCree 2 місяці тому

    The unlimited match seemed like a good idea at the time because people like Charles Kalme conned people into thinking that a match to 10 wins wouldn't go longer than 23 games, because that's how long such matches took in the 19th century. It sounds totally insane, but Kalme was a professional mathematician and had a series of specious arguments that people were afraid to challenge because of his credentials, and also because they really wanted to believe it, because the Unlimited Match was "Fischer's System".
    Basically, Kalme believed that there was an unalterable, scientific "Draw Expectation" that was 100% based on the match format, and was totally unaffected by other factors, like player parity, playing styles, era, or anything else. According to Kalme, a Pure Wins match was the best format, and guaranteed very few draws (because if people have to win 10 games, they'll obviously try to do it as quickly as possible). On the other hand, the worst format was the Wins or Points format, that Karpov and Korchnoi had used in the 1974 Candidates Final (never mind that the other 6 Candidates Matches that year used the same format, without getting the same results. Kalme was famous for tossing out data that didn't fit the pattern he wanted).
    Anyway, Kalme's views were ruined in 1978, when Karpov and Korchnoi had almost exactly the same number of draws after Game 24 in a Pure Wins match as they had had in the Wins or Points match. But the Pure Wins format struggled on anyway, until the 1984/5 match killed it stone dead.

  • @johnenock7939
    @johnenock7939 Рік тому +1

    I went to two of the London games. Absolutely fascinating and memorable.

  • @vashtalelq
    @vashtalelq Рік тому +6

    Ben is watching "Sweet Anita Speedrun to Prison", wtf :D

  • @thetransferaccount4586
    @thetransferaccount4586 6 місяців тому

    nice game

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    Comments and engagement

  • @patricks.9036
    @patricks.9036 Рік тому +1

    looking for a chess coach; are you still in the market of coaching? if so, how can I look at your plans?

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    Hooray!

  • @danielgautreau161
    @danielgautreau161 Рік тому +2

    At 27:02 you say that if ...,QxPd6 then Re8+, which wins Q for R. Better is your favorite move (Knife f5). That is, Nf5+ winning Q for free.

  • @ilanpi
    @ilanpi 2 місяці тому

    In the final position, black can play Bh7, so if white plays Qe3 then black plays g5.

  • @Beyfreak321
    @Beyfreak321 Рік тому

    I've seen this one!

  • @derekluna7700
    @derekluna7700 Рік тому +2

    what is ben watching 29:15 sweet anita speenrun to prison lmao

  • @funchable212
    @funchable212 Рік тому +1

    Go ben!

  • @HarmoniaHaveFun9991
    @HarmoniaHaveFun9991 5 місяців тому

    at the final position in game 2, game is lost anyway, but what about Bh7 to defend against mate (Qe3) with g5?

  • @answeris4217
    @answeris4217 Рік тому

    Wonder what Ben said when they needed to cut the video

  • @franciscoobrequedote911
    @franciscoobrequedote911 Рік тому +1

    Wasn't Nd7 in the second game a sealed move?

  • @franksutton2264
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    Comments & Engagement!

  • @Fishlom
    @Fishlom Рік тому

    Go ben go ben

  • @torpedoman5952
    @torpedoman5952 Рік тому +1

    comments and engagement

  • @kingcarisma
    @kingcarisma Рік тому +2

    This video is full of weird things happening, weird things said..and good chess analysis..

  • @ahmedsafaa39
    @ahmedsafaa39 Рік тому

    Question! Why can't black play bishop back to h7 and the push g5 if check. Given that black is losing but there is still a chance?

    • @danielgautreau161
      @danielgautreau161 Рік тому

      I just saw this too! I left a comment about it before seeing yours. It's not clear, at least not to me, that White is winning at all.

    • @ricecake123
      @ricecake123 Рік тому

      no talking!

  • @BongelaMnguni
    @BongelaMnguni Рік тому +1

    39:55 where's the mate after Bh7?

    • @oskarkruger5483
      @oskarkruger5483 Рік тому

      g6 square is covered by the knight

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 4 місяці тому

      @@oskarkruger5483 But now if Qe3+, g5 so it's not mate.

  • @marklondon9004
    @marklondon9004 Рік тому

    Mrs. T opening a world chess championship is dope.

    • @user-pl6hc4kj1o
      @user-pl6hc4kj1o Рік тому +1

      She pitied the fool who runs out of other people's money.

    • @ollycave9258
      @ollycave9258 Рік тому

      She ruined our country.

  • @msd4629
    @msd4629 Рік тому

    Go ben

  • @chanky1000
    @chanky1000 Рік тому +1

    29:15 What?

  • @anonymousAJ
    @anonymousAJ Рік тому +1

    Definitely "or"

  • @trumplostlol3007
    @trumplostlol3007 11 місяців тому +1

    Is Rc4 a blunder? Should he just take the rook?

  • @aanon4019
    @aanon4019 Рік тому +1

    I Am So Engaged

  • @King.Mark.
    @King.Mark. Рік тому

    hi ben 👍

  • @calvinbaxter7151
    @calvinbaxter7151 Рік тому

    C and E

  • @kaszaspeter77
    @kaszaspeter77 11 місяців тому +1

    Ben, if you don't like the wiki page, you can add content to it.

  • @michael2244
    @michael2244 Рік тому +1

    very suspicious

  • @nimzomitch
    @nimzomitch Рік тому

    Comment, engagement, etcetera

  • @Js-gp7nx
    @Js-gp7nx Рік тому

    Van der Wheel

  • @mario97br
    @mario97br Рік тому +3

    Why is Kasparov better than Karpov?
    Because he has the spa.

  • @fireballxl-5748
    @fireballxl-5748 Рік тому +1

    (EDIT: Last game) Instead of resigning Black plays Bh7 and White takes the c pawn. Black is still losing badly, more than a rook....less than a queen but the game goes on for while.

    • @danielgautreau161
      @danielgautreau161 Рік тому

      I hadn't read the comments. I just saw that move today: .., Bh7 / Qe3+, g5 /hg5+, Qh5 / Qxc3 (Do NOT win the Bishop by trading Queens, or the c-Pawn will queen), Black brings out his Bishop & the game continues, with White's a-Pawn being a big threat.

  • @funchable212
    @funchable212 Рік тому

    Ben is not a Zoom grandmaster

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 4 місяці тому

      I think this was recorded fairly early in the pandemic, when people had only just started using Zoom. (Also, how did Zoom come from nowhere like that? Very suspicious.)

  • @user-pl6hc4kj1o
    @user-pl6hc4kj1o Рік тому +2

    I don't think I agree with you that the "unlimited" match format is dumb... I think it sounds like it could be interesting.
    Maybe Magnus would be more interested in continuing to defend the title if it wasn't compressed down to two weeks or whatever it currently is. More time for preparation, or to just take a break for a few weeks or even months.

    • @hellopleychess3190
      @hellopleychess3190 Рік тому +3

      nothing interesting about a match with infinite games, you want to spend your whole life playing it? and your whole life watching it?

    • @AquaticSkipper
      @AquaticSkipper Рік тому

      His context of how do you book a venue for an unknown amount of time is a pretty valid problem

    • @user-pl6hc4kj1o
      @user-pl6hc4kj1o Рік тому +1

      Not wanting the match to last forever I think is precisely the reason there (eventually) would be an incentive for both players to play for a win, and therefore result in fewer draws and a more exciting match, overall. (As it stands now, I believe, a drawn match means the champion retains the title, right? And even for the challenger -- a draw is better than a loss, et cetera...)
      I don't really see the venue thing as a huge problem either. Just book it one game at a time.

    • @hellopleychess3190
      @hellopleychess3190 Рік тому

      @@user-pl6hc4kj1o playing for a win doesnt necessarily mean playing bad moves.

    • @hellopleychess3190
      @hellopleychess3190 Рік тому

      @@AquaticSkipper book it over and over again

  • @Chris.4345
    @Chris.4345 8 місяців тому

    Comment for the algo

  • @rarabbara
    @rarabbara Рік тому

    He's queening

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    • @ogtfromthefirstep1459
      @ogtfromthefirstep1459 Рік тому

      No talking

  • @unluckyblanket2779
    @unluckyblanket2779 Рік тому

    Comment for the algorithm

  • @alfafanet
    @alfafanet Рік тому

    It's all about the Benjamins...

  • @Househead1200
    @Househead1200 Рік тому

    Fischer was right - chess players are petty and mean spirited. Chew on that.

  • @ALTTABINMAINMENU
    @ALTTABINMAINMENU Рік тому

    Game one analysis was a bit sloppy. Too shallow, frankly, terrible.

  • @carlo_cali
    @carlo_cali Рік тому

    Where is Grandmaster Benjamin Finegold ? I'm Carlo Cali 1800 and change no title and your not. Shalom Ben, you had better be Jewish too. What's your opinion ? Could the Jewish player from Brooklyn Bob Fischer have handed Karpov ? I must admit, I think he would, but he was terrified he might lose. I'm dying to hear what GM Finegold thinks. Oh the Iron Lady 👩.....

  • @aliceroberts5928
    @aliceroberts5928 Рік тому

    This is the saddest thing I've ever seen in my life. You need to get therapy not a clip mic to show off while you talk into your gaming headset for a 'lecture'

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 4 місяці тому

      I think this was recorded during the pandemic. People used what they had.

    • @aliceroberts5928
      @aliceroberts5928 4 місяці тому

      @@beeble2003 That doesn't explain why he has a clip mic, and a gaming microphone.

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 4 місяці тому

      @@aliceroberts5928 So maybe he's using the clip mic because it's a better mic, and using the headset as a headset, and ignoring the fact that it has a mic. Or maybe he was wearing the clip mic from the last thing he did and forgot to take it off. I mean, seriously, what difference does it make to anything? If you're so bothered by seeing a video of a man and two microphones, maybe _you're_ the one who needs therapy? It's not normal to be so worked up and judgemental about such an insignificant thing.

    • @aliceroberts5928
      @aliceroberts5928 4 місяці тому

      @@beeble2003 It's okay if you don't understand. I don't hold it against you.

  • @KinginTurqoise
    @KinginTurqoise 4 місяці тому

    I googled Narcissist and it sent me here.