Now it all makes sense. watch the H2o stew peters, go to quantum Grammar channel. videos. bottom, Sumerian lecture pt 4. also go to war castles, then last flag standing. ua-cam.com/video/eysF9sPaozg/v-deo.html this will explain the last bit
Hey! I just want to say that the 2 kings 25:4 talks about people whom opened a gap between the walls of Jerusalem and there were many people even the King trying to escape from the Babylons so it might be the time that mulek escaped.
@@daviddoch4872 it's very sad that people can't grasp these ideas and learn truth because they're too close-minded to actually find the evidence of the book of Mormon they have already been brainwashed by similar preachers and pastors to be totally 100% against anything from the church oh Jesus Christ of Letter Day Saints....! I love the way these programs post so many various names of people and those people's research and they're not even Latter-Day saint people cuz it really helps to press the point the truth can be discovered by anyone it's not just the LDS Church.
The book of Deuteronomy talks of Israelites escaping across the great waters to a land called ashterouth.. spelling might not correct ,,,which means newfoundland!!.. ring a bell...but according to all the similarities between some native American tribes, especially the Cheyenne,,have so many lenguistic exactitude and similarities with Hebrew language...
@@janaprocella8268 i really understand your point. I personally have studied others religion, and many things they preach it doesn’t not make sense with the bible. I know many things about my religion which is The church of Jesus Christ of latter days saints and that’s the reason I believe to be the one which make you closer to God
I hope you are letting your girlfriend have access to all information available so that she can make an informed decision instead of a misinformed decision based on limited information. Here is some more information she should know about docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSngqIgrnleSzP5HQlsfftxMGXUWsg8jlhjcYN3vm2BRQAYLv6vabFgAB16PcflhRS1L0wt1fmLoR6Z/pub
As a side note, in his book America BC, Barry Fell has identified Phoenician writing along the coast of North and South America. They did indeed get around.
I’m from Herkimer Co, New York and last year found out I may be part Mohawk Indian. I wish I had known this as a youth. This is all fascinating and wonderful. I need to know more!
Great Video! I'd just like to point out that, even if there was evidence pointing towards Joseph Smith saying things about Lehi's family in South America or something, that doesn't make it prophetic revelation or prove that Joseph Smith was a false prophet. I think sometimes people think that Joseph Smith has an infallible person, which just isn't true. He WAS a prophet of God, but he still made mistakes. If Joseph Smith speculated that Lehi's family landed in South America, even if they didn't, that's totally fine. It would have just been Smith's opinion.
The prophet Joseph Smith actually said the plains of the Lamanites and Nephites were in North America. Hugh Nibley and Hyrum Andrus both indicated less than optimistic support the Meso America models. There would appear to be more evidence in the Mound Builder area and a distinct bias to keep it hidden for other reasons.
Do you know that there was a replica of a 600 BC Phoenician ship was built and sailed to the Americas. It went through the Caribbean and landed in FL. This was done in 2019 and 2020. The ship has been take to Montrose, Iowa to be restored and be placed in full sail in a museum. Contact the Heartland Research Group , John Lefler. Captain Phillip Beale will be in Utah at the FIRM Foundation's Book of Mormon Conference held at the Salt Palace in Salt Lake City. I hope to see you and you be able to meet Captain Beale
I became a member in Atlanta on September 31, 1980 and have been blessed with insight to this church’s history. If you look at the great current that stems from where Lehi started, then the current passes south of Florida.
I find it rather humorous when contacting Folks like Wayne May and the Church of LDS, explaining we have found an under researched Mound Claimed as Adena then Claimed as Hopewell that is larger than Cahokia , connected to a undocumented pyramid Mound with a missing entrance and Burials with headstones ,that includes 12 undocumented Mounds, some were huge Cities, all with a Hill Cumorah Connection ! And the State of Ohio is intentionally Permitting DESTROYED WITH A LANDFILL AND GRAVEL PITS Because of the artifacts ! NO ONE IS INTERESTED ???
From a purely historical standpoint, ancient peoples did a lot more traveling and had a lot more technological know-how than we give them credit for. I realized this when I got my DNA tests back and realized I had ancestry from every continent except Australia and Antarctica (even Mesopotamia and India/Pakistan), and I'm a Black American woman from South Carolina. Our ancestors got around just fine, LOL.
@@adamholloway7963 all sorts of people have speculated various places for the last 150 years. But if you look at old copies of the Book of Mormon, you’ll see the footnotes declare the upper Midwest of the United States to be the place that the verses are referring to.
@@rdjess You said, “all sorts of people have speculated various places for the last 150 years. But if you look at old copies of the Book of Mormon, you’ll see the footnotes declare the upper Midwest of the United States to be the place that the verses are referring to.” I have looked at old copies of the BoM as well as other older church teachings and they do not “declare the upper Midwest of the United States” to be the place where the BoM took place. They explicitly point to parts of South, Central, and North America. Not just “upper Midwest of the United States”. For example: Book of Mormon, 1879 at books.google.com/books?id=T1lNAAAAYAAJ&pg=PR3#v=onepage&q&f=false & Book of Mormon, 1898 at books.google.com/books?id=wmRNAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Book+of+Mormon&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjc8o6x0efwAhVyHjQIHZ2IBqoQ6AEwAnoECAUQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false & Book of Mormon, 1907 at books.google.com/books?id=zVxLJvTEctcC&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false & Book of Mormon, 1918 at books.google.com/books?id=Ej8qAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Book+of+Mormon&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjc8o6x0efwAhVyHjQIHZ2IBqoQ6AEwAHoECFAQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false [Footnotes in the BoM from 1879-1920 associate specific references in the BoM with modern day locations. For example, “The Atlantic Ocean”, “Caribbean Sea”, “Atlantic, south of Cape Horn”, Arctic, north of North America”, “Pacific”, “Atlantic”, “The United States”, “America”, “...in America”, “North America” ,“South America”, “North and South America”, “South America, called Lehi”, “North America, called Mulek”, “Mulek into North America”, “Lehi into South America”, “Into Bountiful and Zarahemla, South America being called Lehi, and North America, Mulek”, “towards North America”, “The hill Cumorah is in Manchester, Ontario Co., N. York”, “The ancient mounds of North America”, “in the elevated regions of the Rocky mountains”, “...the land Bountiful, south of the Isthmus,...”, “The Lord brought them [Jaredites] upon the western coast of North America”, “on the Western coast, and probably South of the Gulf of California, and North of the land of Desolation, which was North of the Isthmus”, “The inland seas of Asia”, “the destruction of the Jaredites in North America”, and “heat of the torrid zone”. When the church was uncertain about a location, it used qualifying words such as “believed”, “supposed”, “probably”, and even “unknown”. For example, “probably on the shore of the New England States”, “supposed to be Lake Ontario”, “believed to be on the coast of Chili, S. America”, “The land Nephi is supposed to have been in or near Ecuador, South America”, “The land of Zarahemla is supposed to have been north of the head waters of the river Magdalena, its northern boundary being a few days’ journey south of the isthmus”, and “Place unknown”.]; Who And Where Are The Lamanites? - Worldwide Distribution of Lamanites, Ensign, December 1975 at www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/shared/content/images/gospel-library/magazine/ensignlp.nfo:o:33f4.jpg and www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1975/12/who-and-where-are-the-lamanites?lang=eng ; [North, Central, and South America] Journal of Discourses, vol. 14, p. 325-331, February 11, 1872 at jod.mrm.org/14/323 [“landing on the western coast of what is now called South America”, “Chile, not far from where the city of Valparaiso now stands”, “the first place of colonization in the country which the Spanish now call Chile”, “The Nephites formed a colony not far from the head waters of the river Amazon”, “The Lamanites, in the South and in the middle portions of South America”, “emigrating from the head waters of what we now term the river Amazon, upon the western coast, or not far from the western coast, until they came on the waters of the river which we call the Magdalena”, “On this river, not a great distance from the mouth thereof, in what is now termed the United States of Columbia, they built their great capital city”, “landed north of the Isthmus and journeyed southward, passed through the narrow neck of land which we term the Isthmus into the United States of Columbia”, “The Nephites and the people of Zarahemla united together and formed a great and powerful nation, occupying the lands south of the Isthmus for many hundreds of miles, and also from the Pacific on the west to the Atlantic on the east, spreading all through the country. The Lamanites about this time also occupied South America, the middle or southern portion of it”, “left the northern portion of South America, passed through the Isthmus, came into this north country, the north wing of the continent, and began to settle up North America”, “near the Isthmus of Darien”, “they came into North America”, “a vast colony came out of South America”, “to the great Mississippi Valley”, “the fact that these plates were taken from a hill in the interior of the State of New York, being the descendants of those same colonists that settled in the valley of the Mississippi”, “There the Nephites became a great and powerful people. In process of time they spread forth on the right and on the left, and the whole face of the North American continent was covered by cities, towns and villages and population.”, “on this American continent”, “this continent”, “the Rocky Mountains”, “From the frozen regions of the north until you penetrate through the Isthmus into the Andes, and then on to the end of this continent in the south”, “Montana, California, and Nevada”, “Nephites dwelt in North America and also occupied a portion of South America”, “the northern part of South America”, “American continent”, “all the face of the North and South American continent”, “all the face of the continent”, “the Nephites occupying North America, the Lamanites South America”, “the narrow neck of land which we call the Isthmus of Darien”, “they came into the interior of the State of New York”, “The great and last battle, in which several hundred thousand Nephites perished was on the hill Cumorah, the same hill from which the plates were taken by Joseph Smith”, “Mormon, one of the prophets of the Nephites, who had the records in his possession, being commanded of the Lord, hid up the records in the hill Cumorah before the battles commenced.”, “Moroni tells us, as a prophet of God, that he was commanded of the Lord to hide up these records in the hill Cumorah”] Times And Seasons Vol 3, p 915, September 15, 1842 at archive.org/details/TimesAndSeasonsVol3/page/n539/mode/2up?q=Central+America [Central America]; Times And Seasons Vol 3, p 922, September 15, 1842 at archive.org/details/TimesAndSeasonsVol3/page/n553/mode/2up?q=Isthmus+of+Darien [Lehites landed “a little south of the Isthmus of Darien”]; Times And Seasons Vol 3, p 927, October 1, 1842 at archive.org/details/TimesAndSeasonsVol3/page/n563/mode/2up?q=Zarahemla [Zarahemla in Guatemala/Central America]; Millennial Star, vol 76, no 49, p 782, December 3, 1914 at archive.org/details/millennialstar7649eng/page/782/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile]; Millennial Star, vol 78, no 27, p 418, July 6, 1916 at archive.org/details/millennialstar7827eng/page/418/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile]; Millennial Star, vol 88, no 14, p 211, April 8, 1926 at archive.org/details/millennialstar8814eng/page/210/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile]; Millennial Star, vol 88, no 15, p 227, April 15, 1926 at archive.org/details/millennialstar8815eng/page/226/mode/2up?q=kept+as+yet+from+the+knowledge+of+other+nations [Mexico]; Juvenile Instructor, vol 45, no 5, May 1910, p 253 at archive.org/details/juvenileinstruct455geor/page/252/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile]; Juvenile Instructor, vol 46, no 2, February 1911, p 96 at archive.org/details/juvenileinstruct462geor/page/96/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile]; Juvenile Instructor, vol 53, no 1, January 1918, p 26 at archive.org/details/juvenileinstruct531geor/page/26/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile]; Juvenile Instructor, vol 58, no 1, January 1923, p 15 at archive.org/details/juvenileinstruct581geor/page/14/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile]; The story of the Book of Mormon, p 44 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/44/mode/2up?q=chili [Chili]; The story of the Book of Mormon, p 302 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/302/mode/2up?q=chili [Chili]; The story of the Book of Mormon, p 328 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/328/mode/2up?q=chili [Chili]; The story of the Book of Mormon, p 324 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/324/mode/2up?q=Central+America [Central America]; The story of the Book of Mormon, p 57 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/56/mode/2up?q=Ecuador [Ecuador]; The story of the Book of Mormon, p 86 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/86/mode/2up?q=Panama [Panama]; The story of the Book of Mormon, p 300 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/300/mode/2up?q=North+America+South+America [North America & South America]; The story of the Book of Mormon, p 324 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/324/mode/2up?q=Central+America [Central America]; The story of the Book of Mormon, p 317 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/316/mode/2up?q=Manti [Nephite city of “Manti” located “in the western half of the South American continent”]; ETC....
@@adamholloway7963 while I don’t have an hour to devote to this reply, I’m not disagreeing with your point. But it IS written in the footnotes of older Book of Mormons. One example is the 1908 edition. Wayne May and others talk about this fairly extensively in several of their presentations, which prove that there were differing opinions on the matter amongst the early leaders.
Before i watched these videos, i believed that the Nephites inhabited Central america. Now, i truly believe that they were in the United States. Thank you for explaining things so well.
@@shawnbradford2243 In 2014, Bradley Lepper of the Ohio History Connection discovered that a fragment of the wooden burial platform underneath which the Decalogue Stone was found had been preserved at Yale's Peabody Museum of Natural History. This sample yielded a calibrated radiocarbon date range of CAL AD 85 to CAL AD 135 (95% probability). Since the platform had been made from an approximately 2-foot diameter oak tree, the burial itself could have been several decades later than this tree growth. These dates are consistent with the Hopewell culture that would have constructed the mound.[6][7 apparently you cant read
Thanks for making this video it's important that more members of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints know the true lands of the Book of Mormon as stated by Joseph, Oliver, and Lucy Joseph's mother among others. A simple study of Zion's Camp can yeld a wealth of information about the lands of the Book of Mormon. Over many years of study and serving a mission in the mound lands of the Book of Mormon I see the full course of the Book as never before. All the evidence is there and the Lord promised Joseph and the Church that evidence would come forth from the ground and it has in abundance.
They didn’t go to Central America. They landed in North America. The promised land is North America. The hill cumorah is in new York. The Indians are the remnants of lehi
Point Break amigo, the continient of North American starts from the Darien Gap North. How many promises and treaties did the pioneers and settlers as well as the government break? No such thing as remnants no such thing as indians, they are in India amigo.
I have a personal conviction both from study and personal revelation that the nephite homeland was within Mesoamerica. There are many chronological, geographical, and cultural similarities that cannot be put aside. But I believe due to a number of suggestive discoveries that it's probable that some of the cultures from the "heartland" (U.S.) region could have also been Nephite. In Alma 63 and Helaman 3 it is indicated that many Nephites migrated northward. How northward we are not made known. It's likely some went farther than others. I also believe due to a number of findings that other foreign groups from the Old World also arrived at different times. I read once of discoveries of Roman or Greek liquid vessels discovered underwater off the coast of Brazil. We don't know everything. Nor how many groups of people the Lord led to this promised land before Columbus. I believe we should consider all evidence with an open mind whether or not it agrees with our current theories.
Wonderful, Wonderful,Wonderful video!!! I have been leaving comments on other Book of Mormon geography videos and then I found this gem!I think you hit a home run with this.Of course I have followed Wayne May for the last 15 years or so, and the last few years Rod Meldrum and of course Bruce Porter. But you added some great stuff in addition to the others.I personally believe that Lehi's journey was a Sinai sojourn , not Arabian.And after their journey in the wilderness, which by the way sounds like they followed the children of Israels same route so Lehi could instruct them as to the ways of God as did their forefathers under Moses .They ended up north in Lebanon, the land of Bountiful. An area that was rich in all the fruits and everything they needed to survive .Nephi built his ship near or on the river Sidon near the phonecian shipbuilders, the best in the world.He could get all of the materials he needed on Mount Hermon.I also believe this is the Mount that is repeatilly mentioned in the scriptures.Its the largest mountain in the middle east.I believe this is the Mount visited by the Brother of Jared, Nephi, and of course Jesus Christ. So then Lehi's family boarded Nephi's ship and sailed across the mediterranean a "Straight course" and landed in the USA as you showed.They named the Mississippi after the river they lived near for years building the ship, Sidon.These theories I got from reading two books by Duane Aston, I am sure that's his name.His books are out of print,written about 20 years ago or so.They are, "Only one Cumorah,"and "Return to Cumorah". Excellent books.Anyways these are great videos you made.Sorry for all the misspelled words.
The north/westerly route across the Atlantic has been a known and published sea-route for sailing ships for hundreds of years. It's all about the prevailing trade-winds and the Humboldt currents. The south/westerly route across the Indian Ocean is likewise, a known spice-trade route but only for half the year. The other half, the winds reverse themselves and favor incoming ships. These wind and current conditions have remained unchanged.
I appreciate your research on the possible voyages of ancient people to the Americas around 600 BC. My studies on the route Lehi’s family took from Jerusalem to the western edge of the Arabian peninsula and turning east at Nahom to end up in what is now Oman is based on an article in the December 1976 issue of the Ensign magazine published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Further research on the winds and tides in the area of the Indian Ocean and the Arabian Sea points to your assumption that it is extremely possible for an ancient ship to have sailed easier west from Oman in the Fall after the harvest was in, when food stocks would be more plentiful and the winds and tides blowing and flowing southwesterly along the east coast of Africa makes more sense than trying to sail eastward across two major oceans. Good work on your research and excellent series.
I just discovered your videos. They are amazing and make so much sense to me. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and so much evidence. It really shows the secret combinations in our government and academia. Love these!!
There is some very fine research and information presented here, which is greatly appreciated. But because we have conclusive evidence that Moroni's Cumorah was in New York, that does not prove that the narrow neck of land and Zarahemla was north of Adam-ondi-Ahman, or any where that near Cumorah. You can study my manuscript on file at the BYU Maxwell Institute entitled, “Where Does the Two Cumorah Theory Stand?,” by L. La Mar Adams, which shows how the Prophet Joseph and Book of Mormon passages puts the narrow neck of land and Zarahemla far south of Missouri. To say that the Nephits did not exist at least as far south as Central America, in addition to their later living in the US area, is not only contradicting the Prophet Joseph, and most other prophets who have written on the subject, but a number of Book of Mormon passages.
As an Ohio resident I can vouch that northern Ohio Lake Erie is called “Lake Erie watershed “ for many many mile before you reach the coast of Lake Erie as it is- and as you drive north on I-71 you can literally feel an see the geography slope downward you enter the watershed and get close to the lake - it was all underwater until historic times
The Mesoamerican model is built entirely on the Isthmus of Tehuantepec (narrow neck of land) and the east and west sea. The narrow neck of land and the east and west sea were not mentioned until 500 years after arriving in the promised land. This is because the Lehites landed in the Gulf Coast area and retreated northward to the hill Cumorah and Great Lakes region to escape the Lamanite wrath. It was over 300 years before the Nephites discovered the Mulekites. The east and west sea refer to the Great Lakes. The narrow neck of land is the Isthmus of Niagara. Niagara means "neck of land." It is 21 miles from Lake Ontario to Lake Erie on a line parallel with the Niagara River and the Welland Ship Canal--a very good candidate for a Nephite journey of a day or day and a half. It is 136 miles across the Isthmus of Tehuantepec and a 61-hour (7, 8-hour days or 5, 12-hour days) journey (3.3/mph) on the shortest road in the area. Without roads, it could easily take 3 or 4 weeks or more! After Lehi and his family had completed their 8 years of wandering (did they have some lessons to learn?), they arrived at the Indian Ocean. They called the large body of water Irreantum which means many waters. They were obviously familiar with the Sea of Galilee and the Dead Sea and Mediterranean Sea. This body of water was special and they built a ship and sailed into the many waters (ocean) and probably landed along the Gulf Coast near Florida. When they reached the promised land and stepped off the ship, they were still located in the "many waters" (now called the Atlantic Ocean). 1 Nephi Chapter 13 describes the Gentiles (and early explorers) in Europe being separated from the descendants of Nephi by the many waters (see 5 references to many waters in Chapter 13). Obviously, many waters is the Atlantic Ocean. Mesoamerican theorists call it the east/west sea which is totally bogus. If it happened in Central America, it would be called the east/west many waters, not seas. The scriptures also use the "great deep" and "great waters' and "the deep" (Jaredites and Mulekites) to refer to an ocean. See Abraham 4:10, 22. If it happened in Central America, it would be called the east/west many waters, not seas. It says 5 times in 1 Nephi 13 that Lehi's descendants were separated from the Gentiles by "many waters", not the east sea. This is an obvious reference to the early explorers and the Revolutionary War. The Mesoamerican model believes that the Jaredites, Mulekites, and Nephites all lived in or near the narrow neck of land about 600 miles long and 140 to 200 miles wide. How could the Nephites and Mulekites go undetected for over 300 years if they were all collocated in the narrow neck of land? How could they get lost in the wilderness if they had the east and west sea for navigation? Why wouldn't the east and west seas and the narrow neck of land be mentioned early and often if it happened in the Mesoamerican area? Because it took the Nephites 500 years to migrate from the Gulf Coast to the Great Lakes. It didn't happen in Mesoamerica. 1 Nephi 13:14 states, " And it came to pass that I beheld many multitudes of the Gentiles upon the land of promise; and I beheld the wrath of God, that it was upon the seed of my brethren; and they were scattered before the Gentiles and were smitten." In 1823, the SCOTUS ruled that Indians could not own land. In 1830, the Indian Removal Act started moving at least 5 major Indian tribes from the eastern US to Indian Territory. Over 4,000 Cherokee people died of cold, hunger, and disease on their way to the western lands. If this doesn't describe scattered and smitten (Manifest Destiny), I don't know what does. It didn't stop there in Indian Territory. These tribes were moved again to Indian Reservations and lawsuits over reservation boundaries continue to this day. In 1830, Oliver Cowdery, Peter Whitmer, Jr., Parley P. Pratt and Ziba Peterson were called on a mission to the Lamanites (1830-31). Oliver Cowdery preached to the Delaware Indians in Indian Territory (present day Kansas). During his speech, Oliver stated, "This Book, which contained these things, was hid in the earth by Moroni, in a hill called by him Cumorah, which hill is now in the State of New York, near the village of Palmyra, in Ontario county. " See History of the Church, Vol 1, p184, The Deseret Book Company 1973. Missionaries didn't arrive in Guatemala until 1947! Ether 15:8 states “waters of Ripliancum, which, by interpretation, is large, or to exceed all.” If this definition doesn’t match the Great Lakes, nothing does. It is the largest body of fresh water (20%) in the world and it certainly divides the land. Ether 10:20 states, “And they built a great city by the narrow neck of land, by the place where the sea divides the land.” Mesoamerica doesn’t fit because the land divides the east/west sea per the John L. Sorenson map. Clearly, the Great Lakes divide the land. How would Mormon or Moroni move all the plates from Mesoamerica to the Hill Cumorah near Palmyra, NY where Joseph got the plates (a distance of 2,275 miles--more if they followed the rivers)? Why would they expose themselves and the plates to the Lamanites who were bent on their destruction? There was a room full of records that Mormon abridged-several wagon loads. Whirlwinds are mentioned in the Book of Mormon. The US has more tornadoes than any other country in the world. Canada is #2. England is #3. Tornadoes do not happen in Mesoamerica. Before the final Jaredite battle, it took 4 years to gather all the people together (Ether 15:14). If they were located near the narrow neck of land in Mesoamerica (Isthmus of Tehuantepec), they could be gathered in 3 or 4 weeks. They were scattered across the face of the land and around the Great Lakes and beyond and gathered at the hill Ramah which is the same as the Hill Cumorah (near Palmyra, New York) described in Ether 15:11." Book of Mormon people followed the migrating buffalo which migrated back and forth between the US and Canada, mostly in the Great Plains region. There are no migrating animals in Mesoamerica except birds. Book of Mormon people strictly adhered to the Law of Moses until Christ visited them after his resurrection. This required the right plants and animals. These were available in America, not in Mesoamerica. After Christ visited the Nephites in America, he probably visited the people living in Mesoamerica and South America (3 Nephi 16:1-4) which would explain the legends of the great white god and Quetzalcoatl. Certainly, there were great civilizations in Mesoamerica. Unfortunately, their civilization has nothing to do with the Book of Mormon. Here is what Elder Nelson said at a BYU Devotional on 22 Nov 1988. See his talk entitled, “Thanks for the Covenant” at speeches.byu.edu/talks/russell-m-nelson_thanks-covenant/ . “Now, what of the promise of possession of certain lands? Territorial inheritance destined for the sons of Israel provided property in the Holy Land for Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Gad, Asher, Dan, Naphtali, and Benjamin. But where was the inheritance for Joseph? From the Book of Mormon we learn that his inheritance was this land in the American hemisphere (see Ether 13:8)-identified as being choice above all other lands (see Ether 1:42, 10:28, 13:2; D&C 38:20). It was choice, but not necessarily from the standpoint of scenery or wealth. It was choice because it was chosen. America was to serve as the repository of sacred records written on metallic plates. It one day was to become the location for the restoration of the gospel. It was to host headquarters of the Lord’s restored church.” In the Sep 1972 Ensign, Hugh Nibley stated, “The Book of Mormon is a history of a related primitive church, and one may well ask what kind of remains the Nephites would leave us from their more virtuous days. A closer approximation to the Book of Mormon picture of Nephite culture is seen in the earth and palisade structures of the Hopewell and Adena culture areas than in the later stately piles of stone in Mesoamerica.” The Book of Mormon is true. It testifies of Christ. It happened in America, not Mesoamerica.
Thank you for your comments. This was really informational and totally makes sense to me. The only question that I still have is the same as stated above regarding the Polynesians. In the Hawai'i temple visitors center there is (or used to be) a quote about the Hawaiians being descendants of Hagoth. I no longer live on Oahu so I attend a different temple now and can not say if that quote is still there. In addition BYU Studies has a quote about Hagoth and Hawaiians saying: "Mormon tradition has it that Hawaii Loa and Hagoth are the same person, and LDS temple records show them as being the same". It is hard for me to see how Hagoth and the polynesians fit into this model. Any ideas? FYI, Hawai'i Loa is the man who first brought people to inhabit Hawai'i. Also there are uncanny similarities between the language of Easter Island and Hawai'i.
@@angiew.1110 It seems to point to Hagoth. He had more than one ship and made more than one trip.. Temple dedicatory prayers take about the blood of Lehi. 3 Nephi 16:1-4 tells us that Christ was going to visit other sheep--could be in lots of places.
Well, that was thorough, and a more cogent and reasoned explanation than any I have heard romanticizing the Mesoamerica model. It appears that the evidence and reasoned logic points to what the prophets have said and not to the academic’s biased theories. Well done.
@@lancewalker6067 Sadly, intellectuals and scholars are hi-jacking church history and Book of Mormon Geography. We were all taught the Mesoamerican Model and many skilled artists made beautiful paintings reflecting the Mayan temples and Aztec war clubs (wooden clubs imbedded with obsidian). The Macuahuitl was used between 900 and 1600 AD, long after the Book of Mormon ended. If you look at the cover of the July 2020 Friend Magazine, you will see Alma standing in front of Chichen Itza. It was built about 1,000 years after Alma died. The BYU VirtualScriptures Fantasy map (iconic narrow neck of land with and east and west sea) will only lead Book of Mormon readers to conclude that the book is a fantasy and not about real people in real places. Book of Mormon Central and other organizations censor anything that doesn't fit their narrative. Why not present all sides (there are over 100 documented theories on Book of Mormon Geography) of the argument and let people decide what they want to believe. Ezra Taft Benson said, "There are some regrettable things being said and done by some people in the Church today. As President Clark so well warned, “The ravening wolves are amongst us, from our own membership and they, more than any others, are clothed in sheep’s clothing because they wear the habiliments of the priesthood…. We should be careful of them. Sometimes from behind the pulpit, in our classrooms, in our Council meetings and in our church publications we hear, read or witness things that do not square with the truth. This is especially true where freedom is involved. Now do not let this serve as an excuse for your own wrong-doing. The Lord is letting the wheat and the tares mature before he fully purges the Church. He is also testing you to see if you will be misled. The devil is trying to deceive the very elect." - Ezra Taft Benson www.latterdayconservative.com/ezra-taft-benson/our-immediate-responsibility/
Remember the storm that nephi was bound during? Well the bottom of africa is notorious fir storms. I believed this route was the route taken since 2013. And the mountain the brother of Jared climbed? Gibraltar
Yes, when Philip Beale sailed clockwise around Africa in 2008-2010, he described being driven back on the waters just like Nephi. In 2019-2020, Philip sailed the same replica Phoenician ship from Carthage to Florida.
Having thoroughly studied the BOM I can say that modern archeology has not produced any EVIDENCE of the BOM accounts they had studies up on the mountai. Where the battle took place and if they had any evidence of it they would have come forth with it. Don't say it deteriorated. The Kennewick man was 9,000 years old... we should be able to find a scrap of evidence. But hey cool Phoenician idea in the video.
Since the Hill Cumorah of the BoM is in Manchester, New York, has evidence been found to support the final battle of the Jaredites and the final battle of the Nephites and Lamanites around that hill?
@@MichaelP_IsMe Thanks for the link! I watched the video. The video presents a lot of circumstantial evidence in favor of the Hopewell Indians supporting the historicity of the BoM. The information is presented in a way that looks compelling. However, I didn't see any archeological evidence that supported the two great battles around the Hill Cumorah. If all the of evidence you present in your video is correct, why do you suspect the scientific community hasn't accepted that evidence as supporting the historicity of the BoM?
@@adamholloway7963 Great questions. At the bottom are a couple of my videos that go more into the warfare of the Hopewell, which also mention Western New York. A couple other great books published by the Smithsonian in 1849 & 1851 by Ephraim G. Squier ("Aboriginal Monuments of the State of New York" and "Antiquities of the State of New York") are specifically about the Hopewell forts in Western New York, and mentions the "bone pits" of Western New York, Canada, and Michigan. Today, there are over 200 known Hopewell fort sites in Western New York alone (including by the Cumorah area), most of which are strategically placed to block the passage between Lake Erie and the Appalachian Mountains, and the passage between Lake Ontario and Lake Erie. So between the Native American legends about the mound-builders and what's been left behind from the Hopewell's warfare, it matches up pretty close to what is described in the Book of Mormon. As for why the scientific community doesn't accept the Book of Mormon, I assume it's for similar reasons that the Bible is not accepted, because they both contain supernatural religious things in them. Much of what's in the Bible (as far as locations and general history go) can be verified, but there's so much supernatural stuff that can't. For example, we know there's an Egypt, a Red Sea, and Jerusalem, but it hasn't been proven that Moses parted the Red Sea by God's power and crossed it on dry ground in between walls of water. And of course, all of the things that Jesus Christ did. Likewise, as we learn more about ancient native American cultures, we know that the Hopewell were a lighter-skinned tribe who were powerful, had metal weapons and armor, built buildings out of mounds and wood, often buried their dead in mounds, showed up in Florida (and curiously, Iowa) in the 500s B.C. and were eventually wiped out in New York (and Kentucky) around 400 A.D. by other tribes who combined together to defeat them. But like the Bible, the Book of Mormon contains supernatural things that haven't been proved, as well as the supernatural story of how Joseph Smith got it. But I dare say there's even more prejudice against the Book of Mormon than there is against the Bible. And I don't think it helps that Joseph Powell (father of John Wesley Powell) was a traveling Methodist preacher in Western New York during the 1830s when "Mormonism" had just originated there and there was so much hatred against the new "Mormons". John Wesley Powell (who was very racist against Indians) was later put in charge of the U.S. Department of Indian Affairs. I don't know if all of that has anything to do with suppressing the relationship between some native Americans, Hebrews, and the Book of Mormon, but I do find it a fascinating coincidence. ua-cam.com/video/H2bk-UtYGbc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/chjf9C5nieY/v-deo.html
@@MichaelP_IsMe You said, “So between the Native American legends about the mound-builders and what's been left behind from the Hopewell's warfare, it matches up pretty close to what is described in the Book of Mormon.” If the Hopewell Indians match so closely with what is described in the Book of Mormon, why doesn’t the scientific community see the connection? In fact, why don’t Dr. John Clark and Dr. John Sorenson see the connection either? Or, have they changed their position that, “the archaeology of New York is persuasive evidence that Book of Mormon peoples did not live there.” (www.deseret.com/2011/1/24/20368600/challenging-issues-keeping-the-faith-dilemmas-with-great-lakes-model-more-than-just-geographical) You said, “As for why the scientific community doesn't accept the Book of Mormon, I assume it's for similar reasons that the Bible is not accepted, because they both contain supernatural religious things in them.” Although there are “supernatural religious things” in the Bible, the scientific community still accepts some locations and historical events described in the Bible as valid. However, I am not aware of any location or historical event described in the BoM is being accepted by the scientific community as valid. From what I can find, the scientific community is clear that it does not accept the historicity of the BoM. You said, “But like the Bible, the Book of Mormon contains supernatural things that haven't been proved, as well as the supernatural story of how Joseph Smith got it. But I dare say there's even more prejudice against the Book of Mormon than there is against the Bible. And I don't think it helps that Joseph Powell (father of John Wesley Powell) was a traveling Methodist preacher in Western New York during the 1830s when "Mormonism" had just originated there and there was so much hatred against the new "Mormons". John Wesley Powell (who was very racist against Indians) was later put in charge of the U.S. Department of Indian Affairs. I don't know if all of that has anything to do with suppressing the relationship between some native Americans, Hebrews, and the Book of Mormon, but I do find it a fascinating coincidence.” Are you saying that you believe the reason the scientific community does not accept the similarities that you point out in your videos as evidence that supports the BoM is rooted in “prejudice” instead of based on an unbiased application of the scientific method? I watched both videos and they were interesting. The first one focused on mounds with human bones and the second one focused on metal armor and weapons of the Hopewell. The second video points out the extensive use of copper weapons and armor used by the Hopewell. I found it interesting. The video also shows a picture of an excavation, sometime between 1840-1920, of “69 copper and iron celts and 92+ copper and iron breastplates” and then goes on to claim, “the Hopewell people definitely knew how to smelt iron.” I am trying to make sense of conflicting information here because according to the video, the Hopewell Indians “definitely” knew how to smelt iron. However, according to multiple other sources in just a quick search, the Hopewell did not know how to smelt iron. For example: As of 1999, "no one has found evidence that points to the use of melting, smelting and casting in prehistoric eastern North America."(Martin, S.R. (1999). Wonderful Power: The Story of Ancient Copper Working in the Lake Superior Basin. Great Lakes Books Series. Wayne State University Press. p. 136.) “Iron, steel, glass and silk were not used in the New World before 1492.” (www.utlm.org/onlineresources/pdf/smithsonianletter1996.pdf) “To the Hopewell Culture, ancient Native Americans who sought out the exotic from near and far, metal was a rare and precious resource. Copper, found in its pure form or laboriously extracted from rock, was common, but they didn’t have the technology to smelt iron.” (insider.si.edu/2017/05/ancient-native-american-beads-traced-otherworldy-source-meteorite/#:~:text=To%20the%20Hopewell%20Culture%2C%20ancient,the%20technology%20to%20smelt%20iron) The two options that I can think of to make sense of the conflicting information is that 1) the initial conclusion in late 19th early 20th century that the Hopewell Indians could smelt iron was wrong and corrected later on due to additional scientific evidence, or 2) there is a conspiracy being perpetrated by the scientific community as a whole to suppress and deny evidence which supports that the Hopewell smelted iron. Of the two options, I consider option one the most reasonable option.
@@adamholloway7963 I'm not here to argue with you. Clark and Sorensen have made a lot of conclusions that flat-out contradict the Book of Mormon, and I and many others in my church think some of their conclusions are an embarrassment to the church. If you want to believe that the iron Hopewell celts dug out from the bottom of that Hopewell mound are either somehow not Hopewell celts or are fakes planted for deception by the excavators for some reason, that's fine with me. If you want to believe that the ancient iron furnaces, glazing, mold fragments, and the iron Hopewell celt still in its mold found by William Conner are all just hoaxes, that's fine with me. Just because you find conflicting information in a quick internet search, doesn't mean it's correct, but again, if that's what you choose to believe, that's fine with me.
In the Book of Mormon, it says they did not build their ship after the then known technology. They got the blue print from the Lord. Joseph said they landed at the 30th parallel. It was assumed south, but north was the latitude of both Jerusalem and Tallahassee Florida. Ancient Graves from Florida have Israeli DNA. It also says they were propelled by the wind and waves. The pacific route is going against the wind and waves. Very good story. Thx
Wow! This video is incredible. Looking forward to watching & learning more. I’ve been watching them in sequence. You’re doing such a great work here. Very grateful for all these truths you are bringing to all who seek it. 🙏🏻
2 Esdras 13:40 Those are the ten tribes, which were carried away prisoners out of their own land in the time of Osea the king, whom Salmanasar the king of Assyria led away captive, and he carried them over the waters, and so came they into another land. 41) But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42) That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43) And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44) For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45) For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a YEAR AND A HALF: and the same region is called Arsareth. The Hebrew Israelites are in fact the first ones to dwell in the Americas.
My analysis of the Book of Mormon places Zarahemla on the Genesee River, less than 100 miles from Comorah. I'm aware of D&C 125, but I take the position that this was merely the naming of a Stake Joseph organized. I put the line Bountiful on the Niagara Ridgeline which runs from the east to the west sea (Lake Erie).
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The ships would have survived being flipped upside down but that would have killed some of the people and farm animals inside. It wouldn’t have done the fish aquariums or beehives that were inside the ships any good either. I made a mock-up of one of those ships from the description in the Book of Mormon. The ships didn’t have any windows and the entrance was sealed off. They used the 16 glass orbs that Mahonri had made from melted rocks (like glass is made from sand), which the Savior then touched one at a time causing them to constantly radiate light. I was particularly curious about the holes the Savior told them to put in the ships. One in the floor of each ship and one in the top. He told them to make a plug to put in the top hole to unplug when they needed fresh air. He didn’t mention the reason for the bottom hole. I found out that if the floor hole was plugged when the top hole was unplugged then no water would enter the ship from the bottom hole. But if the bottom plug wasn’t in place when the top hole was unplugged then the ship would quickly fill with water and sink. If the bottom plug was out when the top plug was in place then no water would enter the ship either. I then asked myself, why a hole in the bottom? Here are some possible reasons: an “outhouse”, a hole to fish thru, a place for garbage, a place to dump dirty bath water or dish water, a place to dump the animal manure each day so the smell of ammonia wouldn’t fill the ship. I asked a friend how they could have stored enough water for a year for them and the farm animals which would have been a huge amount of water. He said that the top of the ship could have been sloped towards the top hole and that would have provided a lot of rain water for them to capture. It’s also interesting that the Book of Mormon says that because of the ships designs, sea monsters couldn’t break them up and whales couldn’t mar them.
Years ago my children were challenged in a Family Night to make a model of a Jaredite bowl. My 8 year old son came to me with a major problem. Every time the boat flipped over, all the animals fell on the people. We experimented in the kitchen sink and discovered the same principles you discussed in your reply. It should be noted that contrary to "common teachings," The Book of Mormon does not ever say the boats would flip upside down in a storm, etc.
I doubt anyone seeking new lands would sail past Australia plus 100 other mirco islands. As far as ancient sailers to new world absolutely ! No doubt countless ancient peoples likley crossed the Atlanta. No way they didnt willingly and unwillingly cross .
Interesting you point out these two routes. In my personal analysis of the Book of Mormon, I speculate that Lehi's family took the route around Cape Town, South Africa, and that Mulek, who had to leave quickly along routes not well traveled, most likely skimmed across North Africa, then across the Atlantic.
Where did you get your information that Lehi's group did not meet or assimilate in with any other culture? What about The Olmec who lived on the gulf coast? There are many evidences that they migrated to Florida where the oldest Hopewell mound (550BC) was discovered. Could decedents of The Olmec be the skin of blackness that came upon The Lamanites. being that A.: The Olmecs are often thought of as being Black and B: The Indians of Florida were also Black?
The skin of blackness mentioned in the Book of Mormon isn't literally black it's more of a Hebrew idiom. It means gloomy, dejected, or spiritual darkness.
I believe it. I've heard that the Maori tribe of New Zealand say that some of their ancestors (not all, but some) sailed in boats from Lake Michigan out to the Atlantic coast, up and around the top of North America (in the summer time, obviously), down past Alaska, and into the Pacific Ocean down to the Polynesian Islands. Herewini Jones is a man you want to talk to about that.
@@MichaelP_IsMe “It has been the position of the Church that Polynesians are related to the American Indians as descendants of Father Lehi, having migrated to the Pacific from America . . . .Our belief in this regard is scriptural.” - The Teachings of Howard W. Hunter (Salt Lake City, UT: Bookcraft, 1997) ... “I should like to address my remarks to you, our kinsmen of the isles of the sea and the Americas. Millions of you have blood relatively unmixed with gentile nations. Columbus called you ‘Indians,’ thinking he had reached the East Indies. Millions of you are descendants of Spaniards and Indians, and are termed ‘mestizos,’ and are called after your countries, for instance: Mexicans in Mexico; Guatemalans in Guatemala; Chilianos in Chile. You Polynesians of the Pacific are called Samoan or Maori, Tahitian or Hawaiian, according to your islands. There are probably sixty million of you on the two continents and on the Pacific Islands, all related by blood ties. The Lord calls you ‘Lamanites.’” - Spencer W. Kimball, “To You . . . Our Kinsmen,” Improvement Era, December 1959, 938. ... “Now the Lamanites number about sixty million; they are in all of the states of America from Tierra del Fuego all the way up to Point Barrows, and they are in nearly all the islands of the sea from Hawaii south to southern New Zealand. . . . The term Lamanite includes all Indians and Indian mixtures, such as the Polynesians, the Guatemalans, the Peruvians, as well as the Sioux, the Apache, the Mohawk, the Navajo, and others. It is a large group of great people . . . . There are no blessings, of all the imaginable ones, to which you are not entitled-you, the Lamanites-when you are righteous. You are of royal blood, the children of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, and Lehi.” - Spencer W. Kimball, “Of Royal Blood,” Ensign, July 1971, emphasis added. ... “For this very purpose, therefore, were these plates preserved, to bring to pass the redemption of the children of father Lehi, known in North and South America, in Central America, and in Mexico, as the American Indians and some of the natives upon the isles of the sea. . . . I wish to bear witness to you that their redemption shall come, and that the day of their redemption is near at hand, when these thousands, yea these millions of Lamanites on this Western Continent who have the blood of Lehi in their veins, or of his descendants, shall be touched by the power of the Almighty, and the day of their redemption, when it does come, will be one of power.” - Melvin J. Ballard, Conference Report, October 1923, 28-29.
Excellent. Thanks for sharing. I heard about the 30th degree south latitude Chile claim years ago but it makes no sense. This video was a big help for me.
If you truly understand the word of God, you will understand how it can be told in many different ways. The It of this is to understand the alligator, it represents the subconscious. To understand the importance of this is to understand how we work through thought memory feeling and emotion, consciously but more importantly subconsciously. Good vs Evil. I am Grace or Nirvana they are the same affect. If you can't explain the affect, you Don't Know the Word of God. I am a Buddha, who understands God. If you don't get that, keep working.
Have you researched to discover if there are any ties in the type of vegitation they planted that would be a non native to the area of south Georgia Florida area but would be common in the middle east?
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This video is very interesting to me. I have being suspicious, that all churches are fraud involdved in at least some degree, and it bother's me, because I feel it has affected my personal life. Questions: what about the steel swords? And horse? Elefants? The difference between plants and polen in the Americas and Middle East? I am in Utah right now for a short time. How can I comunícate with you? I wish you a very nice 2023.
I think the Phoenician sailing expedition to circumnavigate Africa and the Lehi story from the BOM could be the same story. Lehi and his sons could have been the sailors and the story is recorded in the BOM. After returning to Egypt and giving a full report to Pharaoh Necho II, Lehi was granted the Pharaohs protection from Nebuchadnezzar and given an inheritance of land in Ethiopia. The entire BOM took place in Ethiopia, not America.
@@dcarts5616 Yeah, Herodotus describes Africa in the exact terms Alma 22:32 describes BOM lands. The Land of Desolation, The Sea East, The Sea West, The Narrow Neck of Land and the distance across the narrow place. The biggest difference is Herodotus says "bounded by the sea" and The BOM says "surrounded by water".
@@dcarts5616 If Africa is the Land South, Moroni's journey North to Cumorah would be back to Israel. Taking the Book of Mormon to Israel wouldn't just be out of the blue. When Jeremiah warned Jews not to go to Egypt, (something Lehi did) he said a "remnant" will return to show the truth of his prophecy that those in Egypt will die by the sword. After the Nephites were destroyed by the sword, Moroni fulfilled Jeremiahs prophecy. Jeremiahs prophecy was in accordance with Ezekiel's "Stick of Joseph" prophecy. The "stick of Joseph" is the record of Jews in Africa. Joseph because Joseph was sold into Egypt and Jacob went to Egypt. This is what Lehi did, he went to Egypt, then Ethiopia. When Moroni returned to Israel he was reuniting the Stick of Joseph with the Stick of Judah just as Ezekiel prophesized. Hugh Nibley recognized the similarity of Cumorah and Qumran and wrote about it several times. So if the Book of Mormon is a true record of a tribe of Ethiopian Jews, copies can be found in Ethiopia. they have churches and temples in Ethiopia that are guarded by monks. These monks guard the holy Relics and manuscripts and never let anyone in. I think copies of the Book of Mormon are in these churches to this day. These churches were plundered by James Bruce in 1760's when he explored Ethiopia. He copied the manuscripts and returned to Europe so he could translate them. He brought back the first known recovered copies of the Book of Enoch. The Book of Mormon was among those manuscripts and was never published before James Bruce died. The Book of Mormon came to America through scholarly channels. Joseph Smith was born across the river from Dartmouth. Dartmouth was founded in that location to baptize the Native American Indian. Several students at Dartmouth published manuscripts claiming the Native American Indian was lost tribe of Israel. This was done to advance the goal of baptizing them. These books were published before the Book of Mormon. I think we can connect the dots and see how a real history of Jews in Ethiopia was altered to be the history of "Jews" in America. This was done to start a movement of baptizing the Native American Indian. To tell them they are Jews, and not heathens would show God did not forget them or let them live in America separated from knowing Christ. Their ancestors "fell away" and now they have the opportunity to "come back". Everything in the Book of Mormon fits Ethiopia and not America. I can go on and on if you want. I can show you where the Jaredites came from and where they went. I can show you Lehi's exact journey through the wilderness and why he went to Ethiopia. I can show you Omer's journey and more about who he was. I can show you how Alma went across the Isthmus of Suez to Jordan, and Saudi Arabia. Ammonihah, Middoni and the Land of Ishmael are clearly the Biblical lands of Ammon, in Jordan, Midian in Saudi Arabia and every reader of the Bible knows Ishmael settled Arabia and became the father of the Arabian people. It's clear to me that someone altered these locations to hide the Old World locations. Midian keeps its Biblical spelling in one verse showing exactly what I'm talking about. We know Alma went across the Isthmus of Suez because he mentions a "3 day journey". This phrase is symbolic and refers to the crossing of the Isthmus of Suez, out of Africa and back to the Middle East. Lehi used the phrase when he went from the Red Sea to a continually flowing river which is obviously the Nile. Lehi crossed the Isthmus of Suez, the Narrow Neck of Land. That was his "3 day journey". Even the children of Israel used it when the pondered escaping bondage in Egypt. The 3 days journey in Exodus 3:18 reflects getting out of Egypt and across the Isthmus of Suez to the Red Sea. And we know they did this and crossed the Red Sea.
I’m having difficulty reconciling this geography with statements in the BoM such as in Alma 63 where Hagoth went northward from the land of Zarahemla and built ships “in the west sea” and sailed “northward”. Even supposing the Mississippi was an ocean inlet it still is south on where you are locating Zarahemla.
Think of the Great Lakes 2000-3000 years ago which covered more land because they were deeper. This provides several possibilities for the Narrow neck of land. I believe the East Sea was Lake Ontario and the west sea could be Lake Erie or Lake Michigan. I think the Narrow Neck of Land could be the Isthmus of Niagara between Lake Erie and Lake Ontario. Based on the higher lake levels from 2000 years ago, other places around the Great Lakes could be the Narrow Neck of Land. Ether 10:20 states, "And they built a great city by the narrow neck of land, by the place where the sea divides the land." This single scripture proves that it didn't happen in Mesoamerica because the land divides the water. The Great Lakes contain 20% of the earth's fresh water and they surely divide the land! At the end of their civilization, both the Jaredites and Nephites were living around the Ohio and New York area and met their demise on the same hill Ramah and Cumorah. Read my long comment from yesterday.
Bruce Lloyd the issue with that is all the Great Lakes are East of Zarahemla if Zarahemla in on the banks of the Mississippi in Iowa. It’s 250 miles due East just to arrive at Lake Michigan. If one travels due north one arrives at the western tip of Lake Superior which also is oriented East-west but then the issue arises where Hagoth can’t sail north it’s more East than north. Even if he did and ended up on the northern most point in Canada it brings up the question why even go to the effort to build ships when one can easily traverse the shore line to go north instead. The other issue is for internal consistency especially with Alma 22 the place of Lehi’s first landing and the west sea that Hagoth launched into necessarily must be the same sea.
@@jasonmarkrobertson There are over 500 clues and references about Geography in the Book of Mormon. There are also over 150 documented models of Book of Mormon Geography. Shift your thinking away from what has been taught over the past 60 years--Mesoamerican Model. Think of Lehi's first Landing somewhere on the Gulf Coast by FL. The Nephites retreated northward and eventually ended up at Cumorah. We don't know the exact dimensions of the land of Nephi/Zarahemla/Jershon/Cumorah or land Bountiful. The city of Zarahemla was in the land of Zarahemla. Who knows how far east/west it extended? I think north and northward were used differently than a specific compass heading. Keep an open mind and study the Hopewell and Adena cultures and the mound builders between the Great Lakes and the Gulf Coast. The fortifications mentioned in Alma matches up well with some of the structures built by the Hopewell. The Nephites liked to build with wood. They used cement when wood wasn't available and they liked to build with wood so much that they shipped it in when it wasn't available locally. People in Iowa today would probably say the Great Lakes are to the northeast--term not found in the Book of Mormon. Saying they are northward or north is still true if you think in terms of the general direction. For example if you are standing at Nauvoo (40 degrees north latitude), anything located north of 40 degrees north latitude is north. Although we might prefer a northeast or northwest or an exact compass heading.
Bruce Lloyd I’m not using a specific geography. I’m using the internal geographical markers in the text itself to develop an internal map. Alma 22 says that the land of Zarahemla is north of the land of Nephi and the land bountiful was north of Nephi and that the sea west is on the west border of both the land of Nephi and Zarahemla. So it’s not consistent to have Hagoth travel north or even north east to launch into the west sea in Alma 63. It’s a requirement that the west sea must be west of the lands of Nephi, Zarahemla and bountiful and extend north of Zarahemla and bountiful for him to have traveled northward and launched into the west sea. I think it’s important that an internal map be created first before it is fit to any geography otherwise people are prone to force fit a geography on the text.
Both groups came to the Americas close to the same time period. The Mulekites came down to what is known as the land of Zarahemla from the North, likely the St. Lawrence river / Great Lakes region, if we believe the Heartland model. The Nephites came to the Americas from the South, likely the Florida area (around 600 BC.) The Nephites eventually travelled northward trying to escape the Lamanites and discovered the Mulekites around 200 BC. So, they spent about 400 years apart from each other in the Americas, before the Nephites discovered the Mulekites in the land of Zarahemla. This chronology chart which is a seminary chronology chart, shows the time periods of the Book of Mormon peoples : www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/shared/content/images/gospel-library/magazine/ensignlp.nfo:o:334e.jpg If you mean how many miles apart were they; Well, if the Heartland model is correct, the Nephites were in the Land of Nephi at the time, which in this model would be the Tennessee area. The Mulekites would have been in the Nauvoo Illinois / Iowa side as the land of Zarahemla. That would make them approximately 670 miles apart if we go by todays highways.
Pablo. The Book of Mormon never gives us specific numbers of distances. They were far enough apart to not know about each other for hundreds of years. I personally find the Heartland Model to be more plausible than the Meso-American Model on that point.
I’m not an expert but from what is read in the Book of Mormon I think you are right, the “ships” would be not constructed after the manner of man (the common way they were built) and maybe high tech? 1 Nephi 17:8 8 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto me, saying: Thou shalt construct a ship, after the manner which I shall show thee, that I may carry thy people across these waters. And 1 Nephi 18:2 2 Now I, Nephi, did not work the timbers after the manner which was learned by men, neither did I build the ship after the manner of men; but I did build it after the manner which the Lord had shown unto me; wherefore, it was not after the manner of men.
The current map is off. So it is hard to get a good picture of what happened yet yes you are getting warmer! Hint: it's not that we the Cheyennes and others come from them rather it is they who come from us!!
Jeremiah the Prophet also sailed to America in 586bc!!! He brought the Ark of the Covenant here!!! I might add that the Sealed Portion of the Book of Mormon Speaks about the Ark of the Covenant and Jeremiah the Prophet bringing that with other Temple items to America to be placed in the New Jerusalem Temple in Missouri!!!
Careful about that sealed portion thing. I know it’s tempting to believe it. But a lot of things have to happen before that happens and the sealed portion is about specific things which are not in this “sealed portion” that you’ve read.
are you referring to the Brazilian supposed sealed plates? If so you might want to look at some links I have here seekingyhwh.com/resources/mauricio-berger-brazil-sealed-portion/
It doesn't necessarily need to be Phoenician does it? 1 Nephi 18:1-2 say that is was a curious workmanship and not after the manner of men. Just wondering why you feel it needs to be Phoenician in design. Just a question. Thanks for the video.
Hi Tofflemire. No, it doesn't need to be a Phoenician ship. This is just an example that it was possible for a 600 B.C. ship from an eastern Mediterranean culture to sail to America along various routes. We don't know what kind of ship the Lord instructed Nephi to build. But I doubt it was square like the new Book of Mormon videos show :) (face-palm)
I lived and grew up in Illinois and used to see ancient burial mounds. I also was taught about the great Midwest earthquakes that made the great Mississippi turn backwards. I also had a dream when I was twelve that there were thousands of Indian bones buried under the tall buildings by the great Rock River in Rockford, Illinois. I also used to find many arrowheads close to my house. When I heard the Joseph Smith said that Adam and Eve were made in the Midwest, I knew he was correct. The United States had the Equator run right through the center. The North Pole axis is moving in a very fast past considering. You can piece the African West portion to fit right in to the Florida outer curve as the Lord caused a great earthquake, after the children of Adam and Eve walked the earth. This divided the countries and will someday be united. There is a current that runs from the upper African coast that runs right into the Florida region. The Lord uses his designs to make things happen. He is the grand designer and Scientist who knows this every inch of this glorious planet. Thus helping his children obtain direction to travel for his righteous reasons.
As the character Sherlock said: ‘Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth." We simply have to stop forcing conclusions that honestly contradict the Book of Mormon TEXT. The text clearly shows that the Lehites landed on the West coast south of the land of Nephi. So the 1830 claim by the Book of Mormon Three Witnesses that the Lehites landed on the west coast of Chile is a factor hard to eliminate. Today's science of ocean gyres, currents and winds supports the coast of Chile being where a ship "driven before the wind" from the Salalah area of Arabia could most likely come if they knew how to steer and stay on the path. www.2bc.info/Misc/Evidences.pdf
FYI - what Sherlock said "after you eliminate all other factors, the one which remains must be the trust" is by itself a logical fallacy. Sir Conan Doyle thought he was smart but in reality he was routinely tricked by 'mediums' and was fooled by the Cottingley Fairies. Not to mention that Sherlock Holmes never deduced anything. He was using induction not deduction. If you are using that Sherlock quote to come up with answers then you could be coming to an unsupported conclusion even if you are using unquestionable evidence and/or true premises. If you use 'deduction' like Sherlock Holmes, that means you are working top-down. Starting with a conclusion and working from there. I don't think that is how you want to portray your 'research'.
The church damn well should come out with a opinion america is self evident in scripture as well as declared by prophet Joseph Smith and geography how much more do we need in order to have a opinion
Any "Sailing" done was coming back home and most people didn't even understand this just like you Michael. Everything is a lie. This is the true old world and tribes know but the white man and the black man are having a very tough time with this.
@@Maheonehooestse-HolyFireMan Exactly! The land called America today is the true "Old World", and Native Americans know it, but most people call it the "New World". God created Mankind here. Adam, Eve, Enoch, and Noah lived here. All the continents were one continent at that time, but people couldn't wander too far away because of the dinosaurs and other large predators. Noah built the Arc here and then the Flood happened, which killed all the dinosaurs. When the waters started going back down, Noah and his family ended up on Mt. Ararat clear over in the Middle East. As the waters continued to slowly go down over time, Noah's posterity spread out in all directions without having to worry about dinosaurs anymore. Some people came back to this Old World. And then the one continent split into pieces in the days of Paleg, creating the Atlantic Ocean, which is called the "False Sea" in Egyptian history. People were on North and South America when they split away from Europe and Africa. And ever since then, other people have periodically come in boats back to this Old World. All of these people have contributed to Native American ancestry - the ones who were here before the continents split, and the ones who came by boat afterwards. Native Americans knew all about the various races of mankind throughout the world long before Columbus, as depicted in the colors of the Life Wheel.
@@MichaelP_IsMe There are many things to understand as the order of history was changed and countries have morphed as they would through a dispensation(s). Every 600 years the constellations flipped and changed according to the fate of this realm's destiny. Fate and destiny were from the dark watery root of three and were part of the likeness or image of the eternal realms. We are moving into the end of the great tribulation which started as the seven sacred fires (realms, heavens) were dispersed to the right in late 2015. Peleg or Paleg was the son of Shem or sem (meaning one) it is also seen as the way or name. This is a spiritual type of human who was brought forth in spirit and became teachers of old alongside Noah, yet Noah had not produced these ones. These ones are the generation without a King, in other words immortal or Eternal ones on the pathway to the Great pre-existent One in whom we live in and sing with, resting in the peace of our Father. Yes Everything happened here in the true Old World (the Hopis and neighboring tribes such as the Cheyennes who are brothers have all the pieces and will spring forth in showing little brother the origin of their creation) and those joining this completion of the Material world will realise all along they were living on a corps. When earthly wisdom fell she produced children and she lay as a corps along the whole entirety of Alaska to the coast of Washington, Oregon and California and into Peru. What is referred to as the west coast was known as the south sea. The Red Sea was in Sophia's spine or spinal cavity where the island of California was and where San Juaquin Valley is located now. The Hopis say your mother is your backbone and the grandmothers are in the spine of the earth. California as an island was changed by the heavenly powers and then removed from the maps as late as 1752 or 752 by Ferdnand of Spain as Sophia Wisdom is emerging to become visible so that everyone may see and partake of her expanse for this last cycle. She is a mother and encompasses a womb, and like everybody here in this creation, she grew old and her womb was no longer able to bear anymore children, and her body was failing, that's why you have worldwide cataclysms and disasters. Those tribes who foolishly believe that they can nurture a dying mother back to life is not listening to a powerful prophecy. It must start within the heart and that heart becomes one. This does not involve ritual sacrifices.
@@Maheonehooestse-HolyFireMan the artifacts I am finding such as geopolymer Ceramics, glass, concrete, mortar, mixed in with Paleolithic artifacts, certainly appears [ the latest Societies ] Started after this last ice age, were here in North America and spread out from here !
The only problem is that they would have been contact with the indigenous civilizations of the time. If there had been long-term contact between Eurasia and North America in the BC, you would have expected to see horses, writing and iron working introduced two millennia earlier. Mesoamerica was the only area to see a fully written language in the Americas. Writing is very useful for civilizations as it keeps records like logistics, weater and astronomical cycle. Iron would be mean better weapons and would lead to an arms race. Iron is also a stronger material for tools. Beasts of burden like horses and cattle would allow for more intensive agriculture and the construction of larger buildings. This also no evidence of Eurasian crops like wheat which would have been proir to 1492. Native tribes that farmed like Adena culture of the Ohio River Valley would grown and seen a population explosion and they would have recorded that using the Phoenician alphabet.
It seems that all these "denominations" have one piece of the truth, but having that one piece lead them all to believe they were the only ones with the whole truth. Instead, what if each various group has one piece of a much larger puzzle and combined is the whole truth?
Phoenicians have the same exact 'sweat lodge' custom. Our songs speak of our people who left long ago to teach, another group left to find them, they were found and many returned, but much stayed. Why do you think Jesus stood out and spoke the exact teachings we have in our 'sweat lodges' by the ancients of the tribes.
gentiles is referring to the nation of Israel that were not considered gods nation at the time like the various nations of Israel that were in Greece & Italy & didn’t get a chance to partake in the first covenant. Also the northern kingdom when they started worshipping Baal.
It goes to show that BYU Mesomerica scholars have deceived the saints for many years. Yet the church keeps making Mesomerica BOM videos for 2024. Church needs to make heartland videos.
Side note the glacier bounce back south of the great lakes has risen for millenia. Mississippi Valley is still 1200 ft below sea level in tn area. It defiantly was a large population there at one point. Wjat idk is how this info would've made its way back to anyone in holy land. You must find a to ans fro because this book or info didn't live on in tribes . It was prophesied I think right ? It was a leader of Mormons who said God told them this .
Interesting note on the concept of "seas". I've heard people describe the great plains as a "sea". Like the open ocean, if you didn't have a point of reference it was easy to get lost.
16 Then shall ye, who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. 3 Ne 20:16 I have no opinion as to where the Book of Mormon peoples lived. But the American Indians aren’t fulfilling this prophecy, while the people of Mexico, Central & South America are.
Funny things about acedmia is they are quick to beilve aliens exist and we may travel to other solar systems but no one crossed the Atlantic into America in a boat. Lol
Here are QUOTES from early Church history about WHERE The Book of Mormon happened: ua-cam.com/video/TO-qDQlcJpg/v-deo.html
fish river for the fish god.
Now it all makes sense. watch the H2o stew peters, go to quantum Grammar channel. videos. bottom, Sumerian lecture pt 4. also go to war castles, then last flag standing. ua-cam.com/video/eysF9sPaozg/v-deo.html this will explain the last bit
Lmfao, fan fic vid about a fan fic book 😂
Did they mention Fantasy Island?
I especially enjoyed hearing about the native Americans and their legends. Very interesting.
Phoenicians are arabs
Hey! I just want to say that the 2 kings 25:4 talks about people whom opened a gap between the walls of Jerusalem and there were many people even the King trying to escape from the Babylons so it might be the time that mulek escaped.
Yes, agreed
Good point! Thanks for your comment
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it's very sad that people can't grasp these ideas and learn truth because they're too close-minded to actually find the evidence of the book of Mormon they have already been brainwashed by similar preachers and pastors to be totally 100% against anything from the church oh Jesus Christ of Letter Day Saints....!
I love the way these programs post so many various names of people and those people's research and they're not even Latter-Day saint people cuz it really helps to press the point the truth can be discovered by anyone it's not just the LDS Church.
The book of Deuteronomy talks of Israelites escaping across the great waters to a land called ashterouth.. spelling might not correct ,,,which means newfoundland!!.. ring a bell...but according to all the similarities between some native American tribes, especially the Cheyenne,,have so many lenguistic exactitude and similarities with Hebrew language...
@@janaprocella8268 i really understand your point.
I personally have studied others religion, and many things they preach it doesn’t not make sense with the bible.
I know many things about my religion which is The church of Jesus Christ of latter days saints and that’s the reason I believe to be the one which make you closer to God
Thanks you. My Gf and I (she’s an investigator) watched this. It helped! Gratitude brother
I hope you are letting your girlfriend have access to all information available so that she can make an informed decision instead of a misinformed decision based on limited information. Here is some more information she should know about docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSngqIgrnleSzP5HQlsfftxMGXUWsg8jlhjcYN3vm2BRQAYLv6vabFgAB16PcflhRS1L0wt1fmLoR6Z/pub
As a side note, in his book America BC, Barry Fell has identified Phoenician writing along the coast of North and South America. They did indeed get around.
But the other way propably
Super awesome work! It’s so interesting to think about these things. Thank you for the time spent on these videos
I’m from Herkimer Co, New York and last year found out I may be part Mohawk Indian. I wish I had known this as a youth. This is all fascinating and wonderful. I need to know more!
My family has been mining diamonds there for almost 3 decades! I love Herkimer!
Awesome video. Thanks for all the work you've done to research and present your findings to us.
So glad you're back!! I love your videos and have shared them with many people. Thank you so much and keep up the great work!!
Just today I was thinking on seeing book of mormon geography videos, and you uploaded this one. Thank you! Excelllent job!
My Father's family is Mohawk and we carry the genes for Haplogroup X.
Thank you for great research and information you are sharing, really enjoy your videos and sharing with others!
You did an excellent job with this video! Thanks!
Great Video! I'd just like to point out that, even if there was evidence pointing towards Joseph Smith saying things about Lehi's family in South America or something, that doesn't make it prophetic revelation or prove that Joseph Smith was a false prophet. I think sometimes people think that Joseph Smith has an infallible person, which just isn't true. He WAS a prophet of God, but he still made mistakes. If Joseph Smith speculated that Lehi's family landed in South America, even if they didn't, that's totally fine. It would have just been Smith's opinion.
The prophet Joseph Smith actually said the plains of the Lamanites and Nephites were in North America.
Hugh Nibley and Hyrum Andrus both indicated less than optimistic support the Meso America models.
There would appear to be more evidence in the Mound Builder area and a distinct bias to keep it hidden for other reasons.
Do you know that there was a replica of a 600 BC Phoenician ship was built and sailed to the Americas. It went through the Caribbean and landed in FL. This was done in 2019 and 2020.
The ship has been take to Montrose, Iowa to be restored and be placed in full sail in a museum. Contact the Heartland Research Group , John Lefler. Captain Phillip Beale will be in Utah at the FIRM Foundation's Book of Mormon Conference held at the Salt Palace in Salt Lake City. I hope to see you and you be able to meet Captain Beale
God will bless you for this thank you for putting this info out there
I became a member in Atlanta on September 31, 1980 and have been blessed with insight to this church’s history. If you look at the great current that stems from where Lehi started, then the current passes south of Florida.
Really great video, brother. You covered all the info very well.
I find it rather humorous when contacting Folks like Wayne May and the Church of LDS, explaining we have found an under researched Mound Claimed as Adena then Claimed as Hopewell that is larger than Cahokia , connected to a undocumented pyramid Mound with a missing entrance and Burials with headstones ,that includes 12 undocumented Mounds, some were huge Cities, all with a Hill Cumorah Connection ! And the State of Ohio is intentionally Permitting DESTROYED WITH A LANDFILL AND GRAVEL PITS Because of the artifacts ! NO ONE IS INTERESTED ???
From a purely historical standpoint, ancient peoples did a lot more traveling and had a lot more technological know-how than we give them credit for. I realized this when I got my DNA tests back and realized I had ancestry from every continent except Australia and Antarctica (even Mesopotamia and India/Pakistan), and I'm a Black American woman from South Carolina. Our ancestors got around just fine, LOL.
Hysterical video bro, I laughed the whole way
What was the funniest part? When the phonecian boat circumnavigated Africa? Or the part where the timelines matched up perfectly?
Excellent research. The ‘Heartland model’ keeps making more more sense.
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So, were the church leaders were wrong all the times they taught that BoM events took place in Central and South America?
@@adamholloway7963 all sorts of people have speculated various places for the last 150 years. But if you look at old copies of the Book of Mormon, you’ll see the footnotes declare the upper Midwest of the United States to be the place that the verses are referring to.
@@rdjess You said, “all sorts of people have speculated various places for the last 150 years. But if you look at old copies of the Book of Mormon, you’ll see the footnotes declare the upper Midwest of the United States to be the place that the verses are referring to.”
I have looked at old copies of the BoM as well as other older church teachings and they do not “declare the upper Midwest of the United States” to be the place where the BoM took place. They explicitly point to parts of South, Central, and North America. Not just “upper Midwest of the United States”. For example:
Book of Mormon, 1879 at books.google.com/books?id=T1lNAAAAYAAJ&pg=PR3#v=onepage&q&f=false
& Book of Mormon, 1898 at books.google.com/books?id=wmRNAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Book+of+Mormon&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjc8o6x0efwAhVyHjQIHZ2IBqoQ6AEwAnoECAUQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
& Book of Mormon, 1907 at books.google.com/books?id=zVxLJvTEctcC&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
& Book of Mormon, 1918 at books.google.com/books?id=Ej8qAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Book+of+Mormon&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjc8o6x0efwAhVyHjQIHZ2IBqoQ6AEwAHoECFAQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false [Footnotes in the BoM from 1879-1920 associate specific references in the BoM with modern day locations. For example, “The Atlantic Ocean”, “Caribbean Sea”, “Atlantic, south of Cape Horn”, Arctic, north of North America”, “Pacific”, “Atlantic”, “The United States”, “America”, “...in America”, “North America” ,“South America”, “North and South America”, “South America, called Lehi”, “North America, called Mulek”, “Mulek into North America”, “Lehi into South America”, “Into Bountiful and Zarahemla, South America being called Lehi, and North America, Mulek”, “towards North America”, “The hill Cumorah is in Manchester, Ontario Co., N. York”, “The ancient mounds of North America”, “in the elevated regions of the Rocky mountains”, “...the land Bountiful, south of the Isthmus,...”, “The Lord brought them [Jaredites] upon the western coast of North America”, “on the Western coast, and probably South of the Gulf of California, and North of the land of Desolation, which was North of the Isthmus”, “The inland seas of Asia”, “the destruction of the Jaredites in North America”, and “heat of the torrid zone”. When the church was uncertain about a location, it used qualifying words such as “believed”, “supposed”, “probably”, and even “unknown”. For example, “probably on the shore of the New England States”, “supposed to be Lake Ontario”, “believed to be on the coast of Chili, S. America”, “The land Nephi is supposed to have been in or near Ecuador, South America”, “The land of Zarahemla is supposed to have been north of the head waters of the river Magdalena, its northern boundary being a few days’ journey south of the isthmus”, and “Place unknown”.];
Who And Where Are The Lamanites? - Worldwide Distribution of Lamanites, Ensign, December 1975 at www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/shared/content/images/gospel-library/magazine/ensignlp.nfo:o:33f4.jpg and www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1975/12/who-and-where-are-the-lamanites?lang=eng ; [North, Central, and South America]
Journal of Discourses, vol. 14, p. 325-331, February 11, 1872 at jod.mrm.org/14/323 [“landing on the western coast of what is now called South America”, “Chile, not far from where the city of Valparaiso now stands”, “the first place of colonization in the country which the Spanish now call Chile”, “The Nephites formed a colony not far from the head waters of the river Amazon”, “The Lamanites, in the South and in the middle portions of South America”, “emigrating from the head waters of what we now term the river Amazon, upon the western coast, or not far from the western coast, until they came on the waters of the river which we call the Magdalena”, “On this river, not a great distance from the mouth thereof, in what is now termed the United States of Columbia, they built their great capital city”, “landed north of the Isthmus and journeyed southward, passed through the narrow neck of land which we term the Isthmus into the United States of Columbia”, “The Nephites and the people of Zarahemla united together and formed a great and powerful nation, occupying the lands south of the Isthmus for many hundreds of miles, and also from the Pacific on the west to the Atlantic on the east, spreading all through the country. The Lamanites about this time also occupied South America, the middle or southern portion of it”, “left the northern portion of South America, passed through the Isthmus, came into this north country, the north wing of the continent, and began to settle up North America”, “near the Isthmus of Darien”, “they came into North America”, “a vast colony came out of South America”, “to the great Mississippi Valley”, “the fact that these plates were taken from a hill in the interior of the State of New York, being the descendants of those same colonists that settled in the valley of the Mississippi”, “There the Nephites became a great and powerful people. In process of time they spread forth on the right and on the left, and the whole face of the North American continent was covered by cities, towns and villages and population.”, “on this American continent”, “this continent”, “the Rocky Mountains”, “From the frozen regions of the north until you penetrate through the Isthmus into the Andes, and then on to the end of this continent in the south”, “Montana, California, and Nevada”, “Nephites dwelt in North America and also occupied a portion of South America”, “the northern part of South America”, “American continent”, “all the face of the North and South American continent”, “all the face of the continent”, “the Nephites occupying North America, the Lamanites South America”, “the narrow neck of land which we call the Isthmus of Darien”, “they came into the interior of the State of New York”, “The great and last battle, in which several hundred thousand Nephites perished was on the hill Cumorah, the same hill from which the plates were taken by Joseph Smith”, “Mormon, one of the prophets of the Nephites, who had the records in his possession, being commanded of the Lord, hid up the records in the hill Cumorah before the battles commenced.”, “Moroni tells us, as a prophet of God, that he was commanded of the Lord to hide up these records in the hill Cumorah”]
Times And Seasons Vol 3, p 915, September 15, 1842 at archive.org/details/TimesAndSeasonsVol3/page/n539/mode/2up?q=Central+America [Central America];
Times And Seasons Vol 3, p 922, September 15, 1842 at archive.org/details/TimesAndSeasonsVol3/page/n553/mode/2up?q=Isthmus+of+Darien [Lehites landed “a little south of the Isthmus of Darien”];
Times And Seasons Vol 3, p 927, October 1, 1842 at archive.org/details/TimesAndSeasonsVol3/page/n563/mode/2up?q=Zarahemla [Zarahemla in Guatemala/Central America];
Millennial Star, vol 76, no 49, p 782, December 3, 1914 at archive.org/details/millennialstar7649eng/page/782/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile];
Millennial Star, vol 78, no 27, p 418, July 6, 1916 at archive.org/details/millennialstar7827eng/page/418/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile];
Millennial Star, vol 88, no 14, p 211, April 8, 1926 at archive.org/details/millennialstar8814eng/page/210/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile];
Millennial Star, vol 88, no 15, p 227, April 15, 1926 at archive.org/details/millennialstar8815eng/page/226/mode/2up?q=kept+as+yet+from+the+knowledge+of+other+nations [Mexico];
Juvenile Instructor, vol 45, no 5, May 1910, p 253 at archive.org/details/juvenileinstruct455geor/page/252/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile];
Juvenile Instructor, vol 46, no 2, February 1911, p 96 at archive.org/details/juvenileinstruct462geor/page/96/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile];
Juvenile Instructor, vol 53, no 1, January 1918, p 26 at archive.org/details/juvenileinstruct531geor/page/26/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile];
Juvenile Instructor, vol 58, no 1, January 1923, p 15 at archive.org/details/juvenileinstruct581geor/page/14/mode/2up?q=Chile [Chile];
The story of the Book of Mormon, p 44 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/44/mode/2up?q=chili [Chili];
The story of the Book of Mormon, p 302 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/302/mode/2up?q=chili [Chili];
The story of the Book of Mormon, p 328 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/328/mode/2up?q=chili [Chili];
The story of the Book of Mormon, p 324 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/324/mode/2up?q=Central+America [Central America];
The story of the Book of Mormon, p 57 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/56/mode/2up?q=Ecuador [Ecuador];
The story of the Book of Mormon, p 86 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/86/mode/2up?q=Panama [Panama];
The story of the Book of Mormon, p 300 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/300/mode/2up?q=North+America+South+America [North America & South America];
The story of the Book of Mormon, p 324 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/324/mode/2up?q=Central+America [Central America];
The story of the Book of Mormon, p 317 at archive.org/details/storyofbookofmor04reyn/page/316/mode/2up?q=Manti [Nephite city of “Manti” located “in the western half of the South American continent”]; ETC....
@@adamholloway7963 while I don’t have an hour to devote to this reply, I’m not disagreeing with your point. But it IS written in the footnotes of older Book of Mormons. One example is the 1908 edition. Wayne May and others talk about this fairly extensively in several of their presentations, which prove that there were differing opinions on the matter amongst the early leaders.
Great job!
Wau, beautiful! This video is better than any movie. Great job, brother!
Before i watched these videos, i believed that the Nephites inhabited Central america. Now, i truly believe that they were in the United States. Thank you for explaining things so well.
@@shawnbradford2243 ua-cam.com/video/t19VnornoF8/v-deo.html 10 commandments found in north america
@@shawnbradford2243 In 2014, Bradley Lepper of the Ohio History Connection discovered that a fragment of the wooden burial platform underneath which the Decalogue Stone was found had been preserved at Yale's Peabody Museum of Natural History. This sample yielded a calibrated radiocarbon date range of CAL AD 85 to CAL AD 135 (95% probability). Since the platform had been made from an approximately 2-foot diameter oak tree, the burial itself could have been several decades later than this tree growth. These dates are consistent with the Hopewell culture that would have constructed the mound.[6][7 apparently you cant read
@@shawnbradford2243 FAIRS is saying the evidence is inconclusive.
Thanks for making this video it's important that more members of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints know the true lands of the Book of Mormon as stated by Joseph, Oliver, and Lucy Joseph's mother among others. A simple study of Zion's Camp can yeld a wealth of information about the lands of the Book of Mormon. Over many years of study and serving a mission in the mound lands of the Book of Mormon I see the full course of the Book as never before. All the evidence is there and the Lord promised Joseph and the Church that evidence would come forth from the ground and it has in abundance.
Love this. Makes me appreciate reading the book of Mormon more
Lord of the Rings is more plausible 😂
They didn’t go to Central America. They landed in North America.
The promised land is North America. The hill cumorah is in new York. The Indians are the remnants of lehi
Point Break amigo, the continient of North American starts from the Darien Gap North. How many promises and treaties did the pioneers and settlers as well as the government break? No such thing as remnants no such thing as indians, they are in India amigo.
I have a personal conviction both from study and personal revelation that the nephite homeland was within Mesoamerica. There are many chronological, geographical, and cultural similarities that cannot be put aside. But I believe due to a number of suggestive discoveries that it's probable that some of the cultures from the "heartland" (U.S.) region could have also been Nephite. In Alma 63 and Helaman 3 it is indicated that many Nephites migrated northward. How northward we are not made known. It's likely some went farther than others. I also believe due to a number of findings that other foreign groups from the Old World also arrived at different times. I read once of discoveries of Roman or Greek liquid vessels discovered underwater off the coast of Brazil. We don't know everything. Nor how many groups of people the Lord led to this promised land before Columbus. I believe we should consider all evidence with an open mind whether or not it agrees with our current theories.
I agree with you completely.
Wonderful, Wonderful,Wonderful video!!! I have been leaving comments on other Book of Mormon geography videos and then I found this gem!I think you hit a home run with this.Of course I have followed Wayne May for the last 15 years or so, and the last few years Rod Meldrum and of course Bruce Porter. But you added some great stuff in addition to the others.I personally believe that Lehi's journey was a Sinai sojourn , not Arabian.And after their journey in the wilderness, which by the way sounds like they followed the children of Israels same route so Lehi could instruct them as to the ways of God as did their forefathers under Moses .They ended up north in Lebanon, the land of Bountiful. An area that was rich in all the fruits and everything they needed to survive .Nephi built his ship near or on the river Sidon near the phonecian shipbuilders, the best in the world.He could get all of the materials he needed on Mount Hermon.I also believe this is the Mount that is repeatilly mentioned in the scriptures.Its the largest mountain in the middle east.I believe this is the Mount visited by the Brother of Jared, Nephi, and of course Jesus Christ. So then Lehi's family boarded Nephi's ship and sailed across the mediterranean a "Straight course" and landed in the USA as you showed.They named the Mississippi after the river they lived near for years building the ship, Sidon.These theories I got from reading two books by Duane Aston, I am sure that's his name.His books are out of print,written about 20 years ago or so.They are, "Only one Cumorah,"and "Return to Cumorah". Excellent books.Anyways these are great videos you made.Sorry for all the misspelled words.
The north/westerly route across the Atlantic has been a known and published sea-route for sailing ships for hundreds of years. It's all about the prevailing trade-winds and the Humboldt currents.
The south/westerly route across the Indian Ocean is likewise, a known spice-trade route but only for half the year. The other half, the winds reverse themselves and favor incoming ships.
These wind and current conditions have remained unchanged.
I appreciate your research on the possible voyages of ancient people to the Americas around 600 BC. My studies on the route Lehi’s family took from Jerusalem to the western edge of the Arabian peninsula and turning east at Nahom to end up in what is now Oman is based on an article in the December 1976 issue of the Ensign magazine published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Further research on the winds and tides in the area of the Indian Ocean and the Arabian Sea points to your assumption that it is extremely possible for an ancient ship to have sailed easier west from Oman in the Fall after the harvest was in, when food stocks would be more plentiful and the winds and tides blowing and flowing southwesterly along the east coast of Africa makes more sense than trying to sail eastward across two major oceans.
Good work on your research and excellent series.
Awesome work Thank you from Australia 🇦🇺
I just discovered your videos. They are amazing and make so much sense to me. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and so much evidence. It really shows the secret combinations in our government and academia. Love these!!
Me too…I would like to see a Live weekly teaching or round table with you.. very interesting
There is some very fine research and information presented here, which is greatly appreciated. But because we have conclusive evidence that Moroni's Cumorah was in New York, that does not prove that the narrow neck of land and Zarahemla was north of Adam-ondi-Ahman, or any where that near Cumorah. You can study my manuscript on file at the BYU Maxwell Institute entitled, “Where Does the Two Cumorah Theory Stand?,” by L. La Mar Adams, which shows how the Prophet Joseph and Book of Mormon passages puts the narrow neck of land and Zarahemla far south of Missouri. To say that the Nephits did not exist at least as far south as Central America, in addition to their later living in the US area, is not only contradicting the Prophet Joseph, and most other prophets who have written on the subject, but a number of Book of Mormon passages.
Rod Meldrum, you... Cool stuff.
As an Ohio resident I can vouch that northern Ohio Lake Erie is called “Lake Erie watershed “ for many many mile before you reach the coast of Lake Erie as it is- and as you drive north on I-71 you can literally feel an see the geography slope downward you enter the watershed and get close to the lake - it was all underwater until historic times
The Mesoamerican model is built entirely on the Isthmus of Tehuantepec (narrow neck of land) and the east and west sea. The narrow neck of land and the east and west sea were not mentioned until 500 years after arriving in the promised land. This is because the Lehites landed in the Gulf Coast area and retreated northward to the hill Cumorah and Great Lakes region to escape the Lamanite wrath. It was over 300 years before the Nephites discovered the Mulekites.
The east and west sea refer to the Great Lakes. The narrow neck of land is the Isthmus of Niagara. Niagara means "neck of land." It is 21 miles from Lake Ontario to Lake Erie on a line parallel with the Niagara River and the Welland Ship Canal--a very good candidate for a Nephite journey of a day or day and a half. It is 136 miles across the Isthmus of Tehuantepec and a 61-hour (7, 8-hour days or 5, 12-hour days) journey (3.3/mph) on the shortest road in the area. Without roads, it could easily take 3 or 4 weeks or more!
After Lehi and his family had completed their 8 years of wandering (did they have some lessons to learn?), they arrived at the Indian Ocean. They called the large body of water Irreantum which means many waters. They were obviously familiar with the Sea of Galilee and the Dead Sea and Mediterranean Sea. This body of water was special and they built a ship and sailed into the many waters (ocean) and probably landed along the Gulf Coast near Florida. When they reached the promised land and stepped off the ship, they were still located in the "many waters" (now called the Atlantic Ocean). 1 Nephi Chapter 13 describes the Gentiles (and early explorers) in Europe being separated from the descendants of Nephi by the many waters (see 5 references to many waters in Chapter 13). Obviously, many waters is the Atlantic Ocean. Mesoamerican theorists call it the east/west sea which is totally bogus. If it happened in Central America, it would be called the east/west many waters, not seas.
The scriptures also use the "great deep" and "great waters' and "the deep" (Jaredites and Mulekites) to refer to an ocean. See Abraham 4:10, 22. If it happened in Central America, it would be called the east/west many waters, not seas. It says 5 times in 1 Nephi 13 that Lehi's descendants were separated from the Gentiles by "many waters", not the east sea. This is an obvious reference to the early explorers and the Revolutionary War. The Mesoamerican model believes that the Jaredites, Mulekites, and Nephites all lived in or near the narrow neck of land about 600 miles long and 140 to 200 miles wide.
How could the Nephites and Mulekites go undetected for over 300 years if they were all collocated in the narrow neck of land?
How could they get lost in the wilderness if they had the east and west sea for navigation?
Why wouldn't the east and west seas and the narrow neck of land be mentioned early and often if it happened in the Mesoamerican area? Because it took the Nephites 500 years to migrate from the Gulf Coast to the Great Lakes. It didn't happen in Mesoamerica.
1 Nephi 13:14 states, " And it came to pass that I beheld many multitudes of the Gentiles upon the land of promise; and I beheld the wrath of God, that it was upon the seed of my brethren; and they were scattered before the Gentiles and were smitten."
In 1823, the SCOTUS ruled that Indians could not own land. In 1830, the Indian Removal Act started moving at least 5 major Indian tribes from the eastern US to Indian Territory. Over 4,000 Cherokee people died of cold, hunger, and disease on their way to the western lands. If this doesn't describe scattered and smitten (Manifest Destiny), I don't know what does. It didn't stop there in Indian Territory. These tribes were moved again to Indian Reservations and lawsuits over reservation boundaries continue to this day.
In 1830, Oliver Cowdery, Peter Whitmer, Jr., Parley P. Pratt and Ziba Peterson were called on a mission to the Lamanites (1830-31). Oliver Cowdery preached to the Delaware Indians in Indian Territory (present day Kansas). During his speech, Oliver stated, "This Book, which contained these things, was hid in the earth by Moroni, in a hill called by him Cumorah, which hill is now in the State of New York, near the village of Palmyra, in Ontario county. " See History of the Church, Vol 1, p184, The Deseret Book Company 1973. Missionaries didn't arrive in Guatemala until 1947!
Ether 15:8 states “waters of Ripliancum, which, by interpretation, is large, or to exceed all.” If this definition doesn’t match the Great Lakes, nothing does. It is the largest body of fresh water (20%) in the world and it certainly divides the land. Ether 10:20 states, “And they built a great city by the narrow neck of land, by the place where the sea divides the land.” Mesoamerica doesn’t fit because the land divides the east/west sea per the John L. Sorenson map. Clearly, the Great Lakes divide the land.
How would Mormon or Moroni move all the plates from Mesoamerica to the Hill Cumorah near Palmyra, NY where Joseph got the plates (a distance of 2,275 miles--more if they followed the rivers)? Why would they expose themselves and the plates to the Lamanites who were bent on their destruction? There was a room full of records that Mormon abridged-several wagon loads.
Whirlwinds are mentioned in the Book of Mormon. The US has more tornadoes than any other country in the world. Canada is #2. England is #3. Tornadoes do not happen in Mesoamerica.
Before the final Jaredite battle, it took 4 years to gather all the people together (Ether 15:14). If they were located near the narrow neck of land in Mesoamerica (Isthmus of Tehuantepec), they could be gathered in 3 or 4 weeks. They were scattered across the face of the land and around the Great Lakes and beyond and gathered at the hill Ramah which is the same as the Hill Cumorah (near Palmyra, New York) described in Ether 15:11."
Book of Mormon people followed the migrating buffalo which migrated back and forth between the US and Canada, mostly in the Great Plains region. There are no migrating animals in Mesoamerica except birds.
Book of Mormon people strictly adhered to the Law of Moses until Christ visited them after his resurrection. This required the right plants and animals. These were available in America, not in Mesoamerica.
After Christ visited the Nephites in America, he probably visited the people living in Mesoamerica and South America (3 Nephi 16:1-4) which would explain the legends of the great white god and Quetzalcoatl. Certainly, there were great civilizations in Mesoamerica. Unfortunately, their civilization has nothing to do with the Book of Mormon.
Here is what Elder Nelson said at a BYU Devotional on 22 Nov 1988. See his talk entitled, “Thanks for the Covenant” at
speeches.byu.edu/talks/russell-m-nelson_thanks-covenant/ .
“Now, what of the promise of possession of certain lands? Territorial inheritance destined for the sons of Israel provided property in the Holy Land for Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Gad, Asher, Dan, Naphtali, and Benjamin.
But where was the inheritance for Joseph? From the Book of Mormon we learn that his inheritance was this land in the American hemisphere (see Ether 13:8)-identified as being choice above all other lands (see Ether 1:42, 10:28, 13:2; D&C 38:20). It was choice, but not necessarily from the standpoint of scenery or wealth. It was choice because it was chosen. America was to serve as the repository of sacred records written on metallic plates. It one day was to become the location for the restoration of the gospel. It was to host headquarters of the Lord’s restored church.”
In the Sep 1972 Ensign, Hugh Nibley stated, “The Book of Mormon is a history of a related primitive church, and one may well ask what kind of remains the Nephites would leave us from their more virtuous days. A closer approximation to the Book of Mormon picture of Nephite culture is seen in the earth and palisade structures of the Hopewell and Adena culture areas than in the later stately piles of stone in Mesoamerica.”
The Book of Mormon is true. It testifies of Christ. It happened in America, not Mesoamerica.
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Thank you for your comments. This was really informational and totally makes sense to me. The only question that I still have is the same as stated above regarding the Polynesians. In the Hawai'i temple visitors center there is (or used to be) a quote about the Hawaiians being descendants of Hagoth. I no longer live on Oahu so I attend a different temple now and can not say if that quote is still there. In addition BYU Studies has a quote about Hagoth and Hawaiians saying: "Mormon tradition has it that Hawaii Loa and Hagoth are the same person, and LDS temple records show them as being the same". It is hard for me to see how Hagoth and the polynesians fit into this model. Any ideas? FYI, Hawai'i Loa is the man who first brought people to inhabit Hawai'i. Also there are uncanny similarities between the language of Easter Island and Hawai'i.
@@angiew.1110 It seems to point to Hagoth. He had more than one ship and made more than one trip.. Temple dedicatory prayers take about the blood of Lehi. 3 Nephi 16:1-4 tells us that Christ was going to visit other sheep--could be in lots of places.
Well, that was thorough, and a more cogent and reasoned explanation than any I have heard romanticizing the Mesoamerica model. It appears that the evidence and reasoned logic points to what the prophets have said and not to the academic’s biased theories. Well done.
@@lancewalker6067 Sadly, intellectuals and scholars are hi-jacking church history and Book of Mormon Geography. We were all taught the Mesoamerican Model and many skilled artists made beautiful paintings reflecting the Mayan temples and Aztec war clubs (wooden clubs imbedded with obsidian). The Macuahuitl was used between 900 and 1600 AD, long after the Book of Mormon ended.
If you look at the cover of the July 2020 Friend Magazine, you will see Alma standing in front of Chichen Itza. It was built about 1,000 years after Alma died.
The BYU VirtualScriptures Fantasy map (iconic narrow neck of land with and east and west sea) will only lead Book of Mormon readers to conclude that the book is a fantasy and not about real people in real places.
Book of Mormon Central and other organizations censor anything that doesn't fit their narrative. Why not present all sides (there are over 100 documented theories on Book of Mormon Geography) of the argument and let people decide what they want to believe.
Ezra Taft Benson said,
"There are some regrettable things being said and done by some people in the Church today. As President Clark so well warned, “The ravening wolves are amongst us, from our own membership and they, more than any others, are clothed in sheep’s clothing because they wear the habiliments of the priesthood…. We should be careful of them.
Sometimes from behind the pulpit, in our classrooms, in our Council meetings and in our church publications we hear, read or witness things that do not square with the truth. This is especially true where freedom is involved. Now do not let this serve as an excuse for your own wrong-doing. The Lord is letting the wheat and the tares mature before he fully purges the Church. He is also testing you to see if you will be misled. The devil is trying to deceive the very elect." - Ezra Taft Benson www.latterdayconservative.com/ezra-taft-benson/our-immediate-responsibility/
Another good video! Keep it up Michael.
Can you drop the link of the histroy chanel that made that episode??
This is my people. According to my genetic code, and this sort of research, I can visualize it.
Remember the storm that nephi was bound during? Well the bottom of africa is notorious fir storms. I believed this route was the route taken since 2013. And the mountain the brother of Jared climbed? Gibraltar
Yes, when Philip Beale sailed clockwise around Africa in 2008-2010, he described being driven back on the waters just like Nephi. In 2019-2020, Philip sailed the same replica Phoenician ship from Carthage to Florida.
Having thoroughly studied the BOM I can say that modern archeology has not produced any EVIDENCE of the BOM accounts they had studies up on the mountai. Where the battle took place and if they had any evidence of it they would have come forth with it. Don't say it deteriorated. The Kennewick man was 9,000 years old... we should be able to find a scrap of evidence.
But hey cool Phoenician idea in the video.
That voyage is written in 2nd Esdras !!! We are Isrealites!!
Exactly Indian Latinos and Native Americans are 10 tribes of Israel.
@@santotheephraimite6840 thats like 0,1% of reality. Wake up, Fanatic
@@lilwater7358 no you're just mad that Blacks Latinos and Natives are the 12 tribes of Israel.
It took a year and a half
Since the Hill Cumorah of the BoM is in Manchester, New York, has evidence been found to support the final battle of the Jaredites and the final battle of the Nephites and Lamanites around that hill?
Absolutely! There's plenty of native American and non-LDS sources in this video. Enjoy :) ua-cam.com/video/s_rN3gJWJw0/v-deo.html
@@MichaelP_IsMe Thanks for the link! I watched the video. The video presents a lot of circumstantial evidence in favor of the Hopewell Indians supporting the historicity of the BoM. The information is presented in a way that looks compelling. However, I didn't see any archeological evidence that supported the two great battles around the Hill Cumorah. If all the of evidence you present in your video is correct, why do you suspect the scientific community hasn't accepted that evidence as supporting the historicity of the BoM?
@@adamholloway7963 Great questions. At the bottom are a couple of my videos that go more into the warfare of the Hopewell, which also mention Western New York. A couple other great books published by the Smithsonian in 1849 & 1851 by Ephraim G. Squier ("Aboriginal Monuments of the State of New York" and "Antiquities of the State of New York") are specifically about the Hopewell forts in Western New York, and mentions the "bone pits" of Western New York, Canada, and Michigan. Today, there are over 200 known Hopewell fort sites in Western New York alone (including by the Cumorah area), most of which are strategically placed to block the passage between Lake Erie and the Appalachian Mountains, and the passage between Lake Ontario and Lake Erie. So between the Native American legends about the mound-builders and what's been left behind from the Hopewell's warfare, it matches up pretty close to what is described in the Book of Mormon. As for why the scientific community doesn't accept the Book of Mormon, I assume it's for similar reasons that the Bible is not accepted, because they both contain supernatural religious things in them. Much of what's in the Bible (as far as locations and general history go) can be verified, but there's so much supernatural stuff that can't. For example, we know there's an Egypt, a Red Sea, and Jerusalem, but it hasn't been proven that Moses parted the Red Sea by God's power and crossed it on dry ground in between walls of water. And of course, all of the things that Jesus Christ did. Likewise, as we learn more about ancient native American cultures, we know that the Hopewell were a lighter-skinned tribe who were powerful, had metal weapons and armor, built buildings out of mounds and wood, often buried their dead in mounds, showed up in Florida (and curiously, Iowa) in the 500s B.C. and were eventually wiped out in New York (and Kentucky) around 400 A.D. by other tribes who combined together to defeat them. But like the Bible, the Book of Mormon contains supernatural things that haven't been proved, as well as the supernatural story of how Joseph Smith got it. But I dare say there's even more prejudice against the Book of Mormon than there is against the Bible. And I don't think it helps that Joseph Powell (father of John Wesley Powell) was a traveling Methodist preacher in Western New York during the 1830s when "Mormonism" had just originated there and there was so much hatred against the new "Mormons". John Wesley Powell (who was very racist against Indians) was later put in charge of the U.S. Department of Indian Affairs. I don't know if all of that has anything to do with suppressing the relationship between some native Americans, Hebrews, and the Book of Mormon, but I do find it a fascinating coincidence.
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@@MichaelP_IsMe You said, “So between the Native American legends about the mound-builders and what's been left behind from the Hopewell's warfare, it matches up pretty close to what is described in the Book of Mormon.”
If the Hopewell Indians match so closely with what is described in the Book of Mormon, why doesn’t the scientific community see the connection? In fact, why don’t Dr. John Clark and Dr. John Sorenson see the connection either? Or, have they changed their position that, “the archaeology of New York is persuasive evidence that Book of Mormon peoples did not live there.” (www.deseret.com/2011/1/24/20368600/challenging-issues-keeping-the-faith-dilemmas-with-great-lakes-model-more-than-just-geographical)
You said, “As for why the scientific community doesn't accept the Book of Mormon, I assume it's for similar reasons that the Bible is not accepted, because they both contain supernatural religious things in them.”
Although there are “supernatural religious things” in the Bible, the scientific community still accepts some locations and historical events described in the Bible as valid. However, I am not aware of any location or historical event described in the BoM is being accepted by the scientific community as valid. From what I can find, the scientific community is clear that it does not accept the historicity of the BoM.
You said, “But like the Bible, the Book of Mormon contains supernatural things that haven't been proved, as well as the supernatural story of how Joseph Smith got it. But I dare say there's even more prejudice against the Book of Mormon than there is against the Bible. And I don't think it helps that Joseph Powell (father of John Wesley Powell) was a traveling Methodist preacher in Western New York during the 1830s when "Mormonism" had just originated there and there was so much hatred against the new "Mormons". John Wesley Powell (who was very racist against Indians) was later put in charge of the U.S. Department of Indian Affairs. I don't know if all of that has anything to do with suppressing the relationship between some native Americans, Hebrews, and the Book of Mormon, but I do find it a fascinating coincidence.”
Are you saying that you believe the reason the scientific community does not accept the similarities that you point out in your videos as evidence that supports the BoM is rooted in “prejudice” instead of based on an unbiased application of the scientific method?
I watched both videos and they were interesting. The first one focused on mounds with human bones and the second one focused on metal armor and weapons of the Hopewell. The second video points out the extensive use of copper weapons and armor used by the Hopewell. I found it interesting. The video also shows a picture of an excavation, sometime between 1840-1920, of “69 copper and iron celts and 92+ copper and iron breastplates” and then goes on to claim, “the Hopewell people definitely knew how to smelt iron.”
I am trying to make sense of conflicting information here because according to the video, the Hopewell Indians “definitely” knew how to smelt iron. However, according to multiple other sources in just a quick search, the Hopewell did not know how to smelt iron. For example:
As of 1999, "no one has found evidence that points to the use of melting, smelting and casting in prehistoric eastern North America."(Martin, S.R. (1999). Wonderful Power: The Story of Ancient Copper Working in the Lake Superior Basin. Great Lakes Books Series. Wayne State University Press. p. 136.)
“Iron, steel, glass and silk were not used in the New World before 1492.” (www.utlm.org/onlineresources/pdf/smithsonianletter1996.pdf)
“To the Hopewell Culture, ancient Native Americans who sought out the exotic from near and far, metal was a rare and precious resource. Copper, found in its pure form or laboriously extracted from rock, was common, but they didn’t have the technology to smelt iron.” (insider.si.edu/2017/05/ancient-native-american-beads-traced-otherworldy-source-meteorite/#:~:text=To%20the%20Hopewell%20Culture%2C%20ancient,the%20technology%20to%20smelt%20iron)
The two options that I can think of to make sense of the conflicting information is that 1) the initial conclusion in late 19th early 20th century that the Hopewell Indians could smelt iron was wrong and corrected later on due to additional scientific evidence, or 2) there is a conspiracy being perpetrated by the scientific community as a whole to suppress and deny evidence which supports that the Hopewell smelted iron. Of the two options, I consider option one the most reasonable option.
@@adamholloway7963 I'm not here to argue with you. Clark and Sorensen have made a lot of conclusions that flat-out contradict the Book of Mormon, and I and many others in my church think some of their conclusions are an embarrassment to the church. If you want to believe that the iron Hopewell celts dug out from the bottom of that Hopewell mound are either somehow not Hopewell celts or are fakes planted for deception by the excavators for some reason, that's fine with me. If you want to believe that the ancient iron furnaces, glazing, mold fragments, and the iron Hopewell celt still in its mold found by William Conner are all just hoaxes, that's fine with me. Just because you find conflicting information in a quick internet search, doesn't mean it's correct, but again, if that's what you choose to believe, that's fine with me.
In the Book of Mormon, it says they did not build their ship after the then known technology. They got the blue print from the Lord.
Joseph said they landed at the 30th parallel. It was assumed south, but north was the latitude of both Jerusalem and Tallahassee Florida. Ancient Graves from Florida have Israeli DNA.
It also says they were propelled by the wind and waves.
The pacific route is going against the wind and waves.
Very good story. Thx
Wow! This video is incredible. Looking forward to watching & learning more. I’ve been watching them in sequence. You’re doing such a great work here. Very grateful for all these truths you are bringing to all who seek it. 🙏🏻
2 Esdras 13:40 Those are the ten tribes, which were carried away prisoners out of their own land in the time of Osea the king, whom Salmanasar the king of Assyria led away captive, and he carried them over the waters, and so came they into another land.
41) But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42) That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43) And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44) For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45) For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a YEAR AND A HALF: and the same region is called Arsareth.
The Hebrew Israelites are in fact the first ones to dwell in the Americas.
excited for part 10
My analysis of the Book of Mormon places Zarahemla on the Genesee River, less than 100 miles from Comorah. I'm aware of D&C 125, but I take the position that this was merely the naming of a Stake Joseph organized. I put the line Bountiful on the Niagara Ridgeline which runs from the east to the west sea (Lake Erie).
If only there were someone who can speak with God to put all the speculation to rest...
How about ask our people .. unbelievable... Most tribes have said we had come from the East ...
More and more Relief Society sisters and returned missionaries are now sharing Appendix 1 and Appendix 2 of:
"Without Disclosing My True Identity; The Authorized and Official Biography of the Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. PDF"
The ships would have survived being flipped upside down but that would have killed some of the people and farm animals inside. It wouldn’t have done the fish aquariums or beehives that were inside the ships any good either. I made a mock-up of one of those ships from the description in the Book of Mormon. The ships didn’t have any windows and the entrance was sealed off. They used the 16 glass orbs that Mahonri had made from melted rocks (like glass is made from sand), which the Savior then touched one at a time causing them to constantly radiate light. I was particularly curious about the holes the Savior told them to put in the ships. One in the floor of each ship and one in the top. He told them to make a plug to put in the top hole to unplug when they needed fresh air. He didn’t mention the reason for the bottom hole. I found out that if the floor hole was plugged when the top hole was unplugged then no water would enter the ship from the bottom hole. But if the bottom plug wasn’t in place when the top hole was unplugged then the ship would quickly fill with water and sink. If the bottom plug was out when the top plug was in place then no water would enter the ship either. I then asked myself, why a hole in the bottom? Here are some possible reasons: an “outhouse”, a hole to fish thru, a place for garbage, a place to dump dirty bath water or dish water, a place to dump the animal manure each day so the smell of ammonia wouldn’t fill the ship. I asked a friend how they could have stored enough water for a year for them and the farm animals which would have been a huge amount of water. He said that the top of the ship could have been sloped towards the top hole and that would have provided a lot of rain water for them to capture. It’s also interesting that the Book of Mormon says that because of the ships designs, sea monsters couldn’t break them up and whales couldn’t mar them.
Years ago my children were challenged in a Family Night to make a model of a Jaredite bowl. My 8 year old son came to me with a major problem. Every time the boat flipped over, all the animals fell on the people. We experimented in the kitchen sink and discovered the same principles you discussed in your reply.
It should be noted that contrary to "common teachings," The Book of Mormon does not ever say the boats would flip upside down in a storm, etc.
I doubt anyone seeking new lands would sail past Australia plus 100 other mirco islands. As far as ancient sailers to new world absolutely ! No doubt countless ancient peoples likley crossed the Atlanta. No way they didnt willingly and unwillingly cross .
Very interesting!
Interesting you point out these two routes. In my personal analysis of the Book of Mormon, I speculate that Lehi's family took the route around Cape Town, South Africa, and that Mulek, who had to leave quickly along routes not well traveled, most likely skimmed across North Africa, then across the Atlantic.
As a native I'm glad the mormon chruch racist views aren't true.
Where did you get your information that Lehi's group did not meet or assimilate in with any other culture? What about The Olmec who lived on the gulf coast? There are many evidences that they migrated to Florida where the oldest Hopewell mound (550BC) was discovered. Could decedents of The Olmec be the skin of blackness that came upon The Lamanites. being that A.: The Olmecs are often thought of as being Black and B: The Indians of Florida were also Black?
The skin of blackness mentioned in the Book of Mormon isn't literally black it's more of a Hebrew idiom. It means gloomy, dejected, or spiritual darkness.
I’m trying to reconcile the heartland theory with the statements of Church leaders about the Polynesians being descendants of the Nephites. Thoughts?
probably their opinions on the matter
I believe it. I've heard that the Maori tribe of New Zealand say that some of their ancestors (not all, but some) sailed in boats from Lake Michigan out to the Atlantic coast, up and around the top of North America (in the summer time, obviously), down past Alaska, and into the Pacific Ocean down to the Polynesian Islands. Herewini Jones is a man you want to talk to about that.
Michael P Thanks Michael.
@@MichaelP_IsMe Are you familiar with the videos from Gabby Plumb?
@@MichaelP_IsMe “It has been the position of the Church that Polynesians are related to the American Indians as descendants of Father Lehi, having migrated to the Pacific from America . . . .Our belief in this regard is scriptural.”
- The Teachings of Howard W. Hunter (Salt Lake City, UT: Bookcraft, 1997)
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“I should like to address my remarks to you, our kinsmen of the isles of the sea and the Americas. Millions of you have blood relatively unmixed with gentile nations. Columbus called you ‘Indians,’ thinking he had reached the East Indies. Millions of you are descendants of Spaniards and Indians, and are termed ‘mestizos,’ and are called after your countries, for instance: Mexicans in Mexico; Guatemalans in Guatemala; Chilianos in Chile. You Polynesians of the Pacific are called Samoan or Maori, Tahitian or Hawaiian, according to your islands. There are probably sixty million of you on the two continents and on the Pacific Islands, all related by blood ties. The Lord calls you ‘Lamanites.’”
- Spencer W. Kimball, “To You . . . Our Kinsmen,” Improvement Era, December 1959, 938.
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“Now the Lamanites number about sixty million; they are in all of the states of America from Tierra del Fuego all the way up to Point Barrows, and they are in nearly all the islands of the sea from Hawaii south to southern New Zealand. . . . The term Lamanite includes all Indians and Indian mixtures, such as the Polynesians, the Guatemalans, the Peruvians, as well as the Sioux, the Apache, the Mohawk, the Navajo, and others. It is a large group of great people . . . . There are no blessings, of all the imaginable ones, to which you are not entitled-you, the Lamanites-when you are righteous. You are of royal blood, the children of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, and Lehi.”
- Spencer W. Kimball, “Of Royal Blood,” Ensign, July 1971, emphasis added.
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“For this very purpose, therefore, were these plates preserved, to bring to pass the redemption of the children of father Lehi, known in North and South America, in Central America, and in Mexico, as the American Indians and some of the natives upon the isles of the sea. . . . I wish to bear witness to you that their redemption shall come, and that the day of their redemption is near at hand, when these thousands, yea these millions of Lamanites on this Western Continent who have the blood of Lehi in their veins, or of his descendants, shall be touched by the power of the Almighty, and the day of their redemption, when it does come, will be one of power.”
- Melvin J. Ballard, Conference Report, October 1923, 28-29.
Excellent. Thanks for sharing. I heard about the 30th degree south latitude Chile claim years ago but it makes no sense. This video was a big help for me.
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Abundance of gold found in area where they landed, along with silver and copper.
where is part 9 please
Also, the Atlantic is known for its hurricanes, which they did encounter when they bound up Nephi.
If you truly understand the word of God, you will understand how it can be told in many different ways. The It of this is to understand the alligator, it represents the subconscious. To understand the importance of this is to understand how we work through thought memory feeling and emotion, consciously but more importantly subconsciously. Good vs Evil. I am Grace or Nirvana they are the same affect. If you can't explain the affect, you Don't Know the Word of God. I am a Buddha, who understands God. If you don't get that, keep working.
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Have you researched to discover if there are any ties in the type of vegitation they planted that would be a non native to the area of south Georgia Florida area but would be common in the middle east?
Thank you Michael P! I really enjoyed watching all 8 of your videos. Have you posted part 9 yet? I can't find it.
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This video is very interesting to me. I have being suspicious, that all churches are fraud involdved in at least some degree, and it bother's me, because I feel it has affected my personal life. Questions: what about the steel swords? And horse? Elefants? The difference between plants and polen in the Americas and Middle East? I am in Utah right now for a short time. How can I comunícate with you? I wish you a very nice 2023.
I think the Phoenician sailing expedition to circumnavigate Africa and the Lehi story from the BOM could be the same story. Lehi and his sons could have been the sailors and the story is recorded in the BOM. After returning to Egypt and giving a full report to Pharaoh Necho II, Lehi was granted the Pharaohs protection from Nebuchadnezzar and given an inheritance of land in Ethiopia. The entire BOM took place in Ethiopia, not America.
Are you being serious?
@@dcarts5616 Yeah, Herodotus describes Africa in the exact terms Alma 22:32 describes BOM lands. The Land of Desolation, The Sea East, The Sea West, The Narrow Neck of Land and the distance across the narrow place.
The biggest difference is Herodotus says "bounded by the sea" and The BOM says "surrounded by water".
@@redfightblue interesting take. How did Moroni get from Ethiopia to the Hill Cumorah in upstate NY, if you don’t mind me asking?
@@dcarts5616 If Africa is the Land South, Moroni's journey North to Cumorah would be back to Israel.
Taking the Book of Mormon to Israel wouldn't just be out of the blue. When Jeremiah warned Jews not to go to Egypt, (something Lehi did) he said a "remnant" will return to show the truth of his prophecy that those in Egypt will die by the sword.
After the Nephites were destroyed by the sword, Moroni fulfilled Jeremiahs prophecy.
Jeremiahs prophecy was in accordance with Ezekiel's "Stick of Joseph" prophecy. The "stick of Joseph" is the record of Jews in Africa. Joseph because Joseph was sold into Egypt and Jacob went to Egypt. This is what Lehi did, he went to Egypt, then Ethiopia.
When Moroni returned to Israel he was reuniting the Stick of Joseph with the Stick of Judah just as Ezekiel prophesized.
Hugh Nibley recognized the similarity of Cumorah and Qumran and wrote about it several times.
So if the Book of Mormon is a true record of a tribe of Ethiopian Jews, copies can be found in Ethiopia. they have churches and temples in Ethiopia that are guarded by monks. These monks guard the holy Relics and manuscripts and never let anyone in.
I think copies of the Book of Mormon are in these churches to this day.
These churches were plundered by James Bruce in 1760's when he explored Ethiopia. He copied the manuscripts and returned to Europe so he could translate them.
He brought back the first known recovered copies of the Book of Enoch.
The Book of Mormon was among those manuscripts and was never published before James Bruce died. The Book of Mormon came to America through scholarly channels.
Joseph Smith was born across the river from Dartmouth. Dartmouth was founded in that location to baptize the Native American Indian. Several students at Dartmouth published manuscripts claiming the Native American Indian was lost tribe of Israel. This was done to advance the goal of baptizing them. These books were published before the Book of Mormon.
I think we can connect the dots and see how a real history of Jews in Ethiopia was altered to be the history of "Jews" in America. This was done to start a movement of baptizing the Native American Indian. To tell them they are Jews, and not heathens would show God did not forget them or let them live in America separated from knowing Christ. Their ancestors "fell away" and now they have the opportunity to "come back".
Everything in the Book of Mormon fits Ethiopia and not America. I can go on and on if you want. I can show you where the Jaredites came from and where they went. I can show you Lehi's exact journey through the wilderness and why he went to Ethiopia. I can show you Omer's journey and more about who he was.
I can show you how Alma went across the Isthmus of Suez to Jordan, and Saudi Arabia. Ammonihah, Middoni and the Land of Ishmael are clearly the Biblical lands of Ammon, in Jordan, Midian in Saudi Arabia and every reader of the Bible knows Ishmael settled Arabia and became the father of the Arabian people.
It's clear to me that someone altered these locations to hide the Old World locations. Midian keeps its Biblical spelling in one verse showing exactly what I'm talking about.
We know Alma went across the Isthmus of Suez because he mentions a "3 day journey". This phrase is symbolic and refers to the crossing of the Isthmus of Suez, out of Africa and back to the Middle East.
Lehi used the phrase when he went from the Red Sea to a continually flowing river which is obviously the Nile. Lehi crossed the Isthmus of Suez, the Narrow Neck of Land. That was his "3 day journey".
Even the children of Israel used it when the pondered escaping bondage in Egypt. The 3 days journey in Exodus 3:18 reflects getting out of Egypt and across the Isthmus of Suez to the Red Sea. And we know they did this and crossed the Red Sea.
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Very astute. I only wished that all the empirical evidence supporting the Book of Mormon narrative automatically made me a better man.
I’m having difficulty reconciling this geography with statements in the BoM such as in Alma 63 where Hagoth went northward from the land of Zarahemla and built ships “in the west sea” and sailed “northward”. Even supposing the Mississippi was an ocean inlet it still is south on where you are locating Zarahemla.
Think of the Great Lakes 2000-3000 years ago which covered more land because they were deeper. This provides several possibilities for the Narrow neck of land. I believe the East Sea was Lake Ontario and the west sea could be Lake Erie or Lake Michigan. I think the Narrow Neck of Land could be the Isthmus of Niagara between Lake Erie and Lake Ontario. Based on the higher lake levels from 2000 years ago, other places around the Great Lakes could be the Narrow Neck of Land. Ether 10:20 states, "And they built a great city by the narrow neck of land, by the place where the sea divides the land." This single scripture proves that it didn't happen in Mesoamerica because the land divides the water. The Great Lakes contain 20% of the earth's fresh water and they surely divide the land! At the end of their civilization, both the Jaredites and Nephites were living around the Ohio and New York area and met their demise on the same hill Ramah and Cumorah. Read my long comment from yesterday.
Bruce Lloyd the issue with that is all the Great Lakes are East of Zarahemla if Zarahemla in on the banks of the Mississippi in Iowa. It’s 250 miles due East just to arrive at Lake Michigan. If one travels due north one arrives at the western tip of Lake Superior which also is oriented East-west but then the issue arises where Hagoth can’t sail north it’s more East than north. Even if he did and ended up on the northern most point in Canada it brings up the question why even go to the effort to build ships when one can easily traverse the shore line to go north instead. The other issue is for internal consistency especially with Alma 22 the place of Lehi’s first landing and the west sea that Hagoth launched into necessarily must be the same sea.
@@jasonmarkrobertson There are over 500 clues and references about Geography in the Book of Mormon. There are also over 150 documented models of Book of Mormon Geography.
Shift your thinking away from what has been taught over the past 60 years--Mesoamerican Model. Think of Lehi's first Landing somewhere on the Gulf Coast by FL. The Nephites retreated northward and eventually ended up at Cumorah. We don't know the exact dimensions of the land of Nephi/Zarahemla/Jershon/Cumorah or land Bountiful. The city of Zarahemla was in the land of Zarahemla. Who knows how far east/west it extended? I think north and northward were used differently than a specific compass heading.
Keep an open mind and study the Hopewell and Adena cultures and the mound builders between the Great Lakes and the Gulf Coast. The fortifications mentioned in Alma matches up well with some of the structures built by the Hopewell. The Nephites liked to build with wood. They used cement when wood wasn't available and they liked to build with wood so much that they shipped it in when it wasn't available locally.
People in Iowa today would probably say the Great Lakes are to the northeast--term not found in the Book of Mormon. Saying they are northward or north is still true if you think in terms of the general direction. For example if you are standing at Nauvoo (40 degrees north latitude), anything located north of 40 degrees north latitude is north. Although we might prefer a northeast or northwest or an exact compass heading.
Bruce Lloyd I’m not using a specific geography. I’m using the internal geographical markers in the text itself to develop an internal map. Alma 22 says that the land of Zarahemla is north of the land of Nephi and the land bountiful was north of Nephi and that the sea west is on the west border of both the land of Nephi and Zarahemla. So it’s not consistent to have Hagoth travel north or even north east to launch into the west sea in Alma 63. It’s a requirement that the west sea must be west of the lands of Nephi, Zarahemla and bountiful and extend north of Zarahemla and bountiful for him to have traveled northward and launched into the west sea. I think it’s important that an internal map be created first before it is fit to any geography otherwise people are prone to force fit a geography on the text.
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How far apart are the mulekites and the nephites
Both groups came to the Americas close to the same time period. The Mulekites came down to what is known as the land of Zarahemla from the North, likely the St. Lawrence river / Great Lakes region, if we believe the Heartland model. The Nephites came to the Americas from the South, likely the Florida area (around 600 BC.) The Nephites eventually travelled northward trying to escape the Lamanites and discovered the Mulekites around 200 BC. So, they spent about 400 years apart from each other in the Americas, before the Nephites discovered the Mulekites in the land of Zarahemla. This chronology chart which is a seminary chronology chart, shows the time periods of the Book of Mormon peoples : www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/shared/content/images/gospel-library/magazine/ensignlp.nfo:o:334e.jpg If you mean how many miles apart were they; Well, if the Heartland model is correct, the Nephites were in the Land of Nephi at the time, which in this model would be the Tennessee area. The Mulekites would have been in the Nauvoo Illinois / Iowa side as the land of Zarahemla. That would make them approximately 670 miles apart if we go by todays highways.
Pablo. The Book of Mormon never gives us specific numbers of distances. They were far enough apart to not know about each other for hundreds of years. I personally find the Heartland Model to be more plausible than the Meso-American Model on that point.
Were the ships built by Nephi more high tech than other ships during his time?
I’m not an expert but from what is read in the Book of Mormon I think you are right, the “ships” would be not constructed after the manner of man (the common way they were built) and maybe high tech?
1 Nephi 17:8
8 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto me, saying: Thou shalt construct a ship, after the manner which I shall show thee, that I may carry thy people across these waters.
And 1 Nephi 18:2
2 Now I, Nephi, did not work the timbers after the manner which was learned by men, neither did I build the ship after the manner of men; but I did build it after the manner which the Lord had shown unto me; wherefore, it was not after the manner of men.
I have the same migratory patterns as you. See Brien Forester of Hidden Inca Tours on here.
The current map is off. So it is hard to get a good picture of what happened yet yes you are getting warmer! Hint: it's not that we the Cheyennes and others come from them rather it is they who come from us!!
Jeremiah the Prophet also sailed to America in 586bc!!! He brought the Ark of the Covenant here!!!
I might add that the Sealed Portion of the Book of Mormon Speaks about the Ark of the Covenant and Jeremiah the Prophet bringing that with other Temple items to America to be placed in the New Jerusalem Temple in Missouri!!!
Careful about that sealed portion thing. I know it’s tempting to believe it. But a lot of things have to happen before that happens and the sealed portion is about specific things which are not in this “sealed portion” that you’ve read.
are you referring to the Brazilian supposed sealed plates? If so you might want to look at some links I have here seekingyhwh.com/resources/mauricio-berger-brazil-sealed-portion/
Uhhhhhhh, where do you get that out of The Book of Mormon????????
It doesn't necessarily need to be Phoenician does it? 1 Nephi 18:1-2 say that is was a curious workmanship and not after the manner of men. Just wondering why you feel it needs to be Phoenician in design. Just a question. Thanks for the video.
Hi Tofflemire. No, it doesn't need to be a Phoenician ship. This is just an example that it was possible for a 600 B.C. ship from an eastern Mediterranean culture to sail to America along various routes. We don't know what kind of ship the Lord instructed Nephi to build. But I doubt it was square like the new Book of Mormon videos show :) (face-palm)
@@MichaelEvansVideos I enjoyed the video. Thanks.
So interesting! Thank you.
I lived and grew up in Illinois and used to see ancient burial mounds. I also was taught about the great Midwest earthquakes that made the great Mississippi turn backwards. I also had a dream when I was twelve that there were thousands of Indian bones buried under the tall buildings by the great Rock River in Rockford, Illinois. I also used to find many arrowheads close to my house. When I heard the Joseph Smith said that Adam and Eve were made in the Midwest, I knew he was correct. The United States had the Equator run right through the center. The North Pole axis is moving in a very fast past considering. You can piece the African West portion to fit right in to the Florida outer curve as the Lord caused a great earthquake, after the children of Adam and Eve walked the earth. This divided the countries and will someday be united. There is a current that runs from the upper African coast that runs right into the Florida region. The Lord uses his designs to make things happen. He is the grand designer and Scientist who knows this every inch of this glorious planet. Thus helping his children obtain direction to travel for his righteous reasons.
Very insightful. Thank you for sharing.
I assume that God instructed Nephi how to build a faster ship.
As the character Sherlock said: ‘Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth." We simply have to stop forcing conclusions that honestly contradict the Book of Mormon TEXT. The text clearly shows that the Lehites landed on the West coast south of the land of Nephi. So the 1830 claim by the Book of Mormon Three Witnesses that the Lehites landed on the west coast of Chile is a factor hard to eliminate. Today's science of ocean gyres, currents and winds supports the coast of Chile being where a ship "driven before the wind" from the Salalah area of Arabia could most likely come if they knew how to steer and stay on the path. www.2bc.info/Misc/Evidences.pdf
FYI - what Sherlock said "after you eliminate all other factors, the one which remains must be the trust" is by itself a logical fallacy. Sir Conan Doyle thought he was smart but in reality he was routinely tricked by 'mediums' and was fooled by the Cottingley Fairies. Not to mention that Sherlock Holmes never deduced anything. He was using induction not deduction. If you are using that Sherlock quote to come up with answers then you could be coming to an unsupported conclusion even if you are using unquestionable evidence and/or true premises. If you use 'deduction' like Sherlock Holmes, that means you are working top-down. Starting with a conclusion and working from there. I don't think that is how you want to portray your 'research'.
The church damn well should come out with a opinion america is self evident in scripture as well as declared by prophet Joseph Smith and geography how much more do we need in order to have a opinion
The "CAVE" in the Hill Cumorah is REAL! (It's actually an ancient man-made room). Check it out in this video! ua-cam.com/video/-flQrCWBnOg/v-deo.html
Any "Sailing" done was coming back home and most people didn't even understand this just like you Michael.
Everything is a lie. This is the true old world and tribes know but the white man and the black man are having a very tough time with this.
@@Maheonehooestse-HolyFireMan Exactly! The land called America today is the true "Old World", and Native Americans know it, but most people call it the "New World". God created Mankind here. Adam, Eve, Enoch, and Noah lived here. All the continents were one continent at that time, but people couldn't wander too far away because of the dinosaurs and other large predators. Noah built the Arc here and then the Flood happened, which killed all the dinosaurs. When the waters started going back down, Noah and his family ended up on Mt. Ararat clear over in the Middle East. As the waters continued to slowly go down over time, Noah's posterity spread out in all directions without having to worry about dinosaurs anymore. Some people came back to this Old World. And then the one continent split into pieces in the days of Paleg, creating the Atlantic Ocean, which is called the "False Sea" in Egyptian history. People were on North and South America when they split away from Europe and Africa. And ever since then, other people have periodically come in boats back to this Old World. All of these people have contributed to Native American ancestry - the ones who were here before the continents split, and the ones who came by boat afterwards. Native Americans knew all about the various races of mankind throughout the world long before Columbus, as depicted in the colors of the Life Wheel.
@@MichaelP_IsMe There are many things to understand as the order of history was changed and countries have morphed as they would through a dispensation(s). Every 600 years the constellations flipped and changed according to the fate of this realm's destiny. Fate and destiny were from the dark watery root of three and were part of the likeness or image of the eternal realms. We are moving into the end of the great tribulation which started as the seven sacred fires (realms, heavens) were dispersed to the right in late 2015. Peleg or Paleg was the son of Shem or sem (meaning one) it is also seen as the way or name. This is a spiritual type of human who was brought forth in spirit and became teachers of old alongside Noah, yet Noah had not produced these ones. These ones are the generation without a King, in other words immortal or Eternal ones on the pathway to the Great pre-existent One in whom we live in and sing with, resting in the peace of our Father. Yes Everything happened here in the true Old World (the Hopis and neighboring tribes such as the Cheyennes who are brothers have all the pieces and will spring forth in showing little brother the origin of their creation) and those joining this completion of the Material world will realise all along they were living on a corps. When earthly wisdom fell she produced children and she lay as a corps along the whole entirety of Alaska to the coast of Washington, Oregon and California and into Peru. What is referred to as the west coast was known as the south sea. The Red Sea was in Sophia's spine or spinal cavity where the island of California was and where San Juaquin Valley is located now. The Hopis say your mother is your backbone and the grandmothers are in the spine of the earth. California as an island was changed by the heavenly powers and then removed from the maps as late as 1752 or 752 by Ferdnand of Spain as Sophia Wisdom is emerging to become visible so that everyone may see and partake of her expanse for this last cycle. She is a mother and encompasses a womb, and like everybody here in this creation, she grew old and her womb was no longer able to bear anymore children, and her body was failing, that's why you have worldwide cataclysms and disasters. Those tribes who foolishly believe that they can nurture a dying mother back to life is not listening to a powerful prophecy. It must start within the heart and that heart becomes one. This does not involve ritual sacrifices.
@@Maheonehooestse-HolyFireMan I love it! So much to learn.
@@Maheonehooestse-HolyFireMan the artifacts I am finding such as geopolymer Ceramics, glass, concrete, mortar, mixed in with Paleolithic artifacts, certainly appears [ the latest Societies ] Started after this last ice age, were here in North America and spread out from here !
The only problem is that they would have been contact with the indigenous civilizations of the time. If there had been long-term contact between Eurasia and North America in the BC, you would have expected to see horses, writing and iron working introduced two millennia earlier. Mesoamerica was the only area to see a fully written language in the Americas. Writing is very useful for civilizations as it keeps records like logistics, weater and astronomical cycle. Iron would be mean better weapons and would lead to an arms race. Iron is also a stronger material for tools. Beasts of burden like horses and cattle would allow for more intensive agriculture and the construction of larger buildings.
This also no evidence of Eurasian crops like wheat which would have been proir to 1492. Native tribes that farmed like Adena culture of the Ohio River Valley would grown and seen a population explosion and they would have recorded that using the Phoenician alphabet.
It seems that all these "denominations" have one piece of the truth, but having that one piece lead them all to believe they were the only ones with the whole truth. Instead, what if each various group has one piece of a much larger puzzle and combined is the whole truth?
He walked the Americas. That was Jesus sailing route as well. Paracas Peru is where he landed.
Phoenicians have the same exact 'sweat lodge' custom. Our songs speak of our people who left long ago to teach, another group left to find them, they were found and many returned, but much stayed. Why do you think Jesus stood out and spoke the exact teachings we have in our 'sweat lodges' by the ancients of the tribes.
Read the Book of Mentinah, it'll tell you how and where they migrated from.
Bernheisel and Winchester put us on the wrong heading.
Great video thanks
Where is part 10 going into the New Madrid faultline?
It is true you guys. Gentiles is referring to non Jewish folk aka ancient Americans.
gentiles is referring to the nation of Israel that were not considered gods nation at the time like the various nations of Israel that were in Greece & Italy & didn’t get a chance to partake in the first covenant. Also the northern kingdom when they started worshipping Baal.
It goes to show that BYU Mesomerica scholars have deceived the saints for many years. Yet the church keeps making Mesomerica BOM videos for 2024. Church needs to make heartland videos.
Im pretty sure mounds were also found in Illinois near st Louis
Side note the glacier bounce back south of the great lakes has risen for millenia. Mississippi Valley is still 1200 ft below sea level in tn area. It defiantly was a large population there at one point. Wjat idk is how this info would've made its way back to anyone in holy land. You must find a to ans fro because this book or info didn't live on in tribes . It was prophesied I think right ? It was a leader of Mormons who said God told them this .
Interesting note on the concept of "seas". I've heard people describe the great plains as a "sea". Like the open ocean, if you didn't have a point of reference it was easy to get lost.
Lake Ontario looked like the ocean to me. Lol
North America was not uninhabited.
16 Then shall ye, who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. 3 Ne 20:16
I have no opinion as to where the Book of Mormon peoples lived. But the American Indians aren’t fulfilling this prophecy, while the people of Mexico, Central & South America are.
That's going the long hard way around, isn't it?
Funny things about acedmia is they are quick to beilve aliens exist and we may travel to other solar systems but no one crossed the Atlantic into America in a boat. Lol