27. OCD Treatment: "Whatever OCD" - ERP ideas for blasphemous thoughts or fears of the devil
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- CBT therapist Katie d'Ath gives some more ideas for doing ERP.
Katie is co-author of "Dummies Guide to Managing OCD with CBT" and is passionate about demystifying OCD and helping people to access empirically based treatment.
I have smth to say about it. I suffered from religious OCD, fear of devil and blaspemy in my head for long. I was so overwhelmed and exhausted, i was so drained and didn't want to live. I thought i was the worst person on planet. I knew there were devils in my head, i really wanted to have them gone, but didn't know how. They seemed to be so sticky and powerful, i thought i would never get rid of it. I believed in God really much (and i still believe) and i didn't hear anything about such an illness like Obsessive compulsive disorder. So i tried to speak to a priest, but he didn't believe me, though. He said "you just have to watch less horror films, darling" 😔. My heart was broken at that moment. Because the priest was my last hope.
Later i started googling and by an accident (or by God's will) i found a website, where another priest said that DEVIL IS VERY SELFISH, UPPISH AND PROUD AS A PEACOCK. And when you are scared of blaspemous thoughts - he likes it. He likes that he makes you being scared of him. So DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO those bad thoughts and devil will leave forever, coz he can not take it. He hates when you are indifferent.
I did like what priest had said and it worked immediately. I was shocked. There were no bad thoughts in my head anymore.
3 years later i learnt about OCD. I was surprised that it is considered to be an illness. And if to pay attention to how psycologists try to help people to fight OCD, we can see that actually they offer the same stategy : DON'T FEED DEVIL WITH YOUR FEAR, AND HE WILL GO AWAY. Psycologists suggest to accept the bad thoughts and they will become weaker. Exactly as the priest from that website said!
So that is the truth.
And that is the only way.
Me too I’m going through the same thing right now.
I'm in the same situation too! OCD is really intrusive coupled with Blasphemous thoughts, can be a real struggle. Best thing to do is ignore the stupid devil and give him no attention as he doesnt deserve it anyway. God Bless xo
are you roman catholic? I am RC and Saint Francis of Sales said that if we don't delight in our sinful thoughts, they are not sinful.
One example:
You have a temptation to curse God: you look at this thought and think "oh no that's terrible I love God"
you did not sin because you refused it.
Or maybe if you have the same thought saying that God is bad or worse blasphemies. But you know in your heart that those are not true. They do not represent how you feel about God. If we had a thought like "Oh, my mother is stupid" and we don't want to insult our mom, we would recognize it as a lie and just brush it off. However, when it comes about God, what makes us fearful is knowing that He hears and knows our thoughts, that's why it's so triggering
We fear that God is hearing us and will be upset at us. that's the triggering part. "oh no He's hearing everything He must be offended" and it makes us feel so bad.
@@Aurora-Rose01 hi there 👋 yep, i agree with what you have said. No, i am an orthodox Christian.
Thank you a lot for doing videos about ocd..lots of love from India🇮🇳
The problem here is that the evil one wants us to believe that the Father will not forgive you sin if you blaspheme presenting that sin as a sin against the Holy Ghost. Let's resolve this logically. Is there a Sin that God the Father will not forgive if His son repents? There cannot be one. If you repent and the Father doesn't forgive, what kind of Father is that? Is that an almighty all loving all merciful God? No. The point is, you have the wrong picture of God the Father. The Father wants to save you with all His strength because He loves you more than a life itself. How He would not forgive? That is impossible. God forgives EVERY sin that you repent of. The only sin that the Father cannot forgive is when you do not want to be saved from that sin or you do not believe that God can save you, that in short is that sin against the Holy Ghost.
Thank you so much. You're doing an amazing thing helping me and so many others. Some people can't afford therapy, and you're helping them. My OCD has improved TREMENDOUSLY since doing what you go over in your videos! 🙏
Thanks for sharing Sam, so glad to hear you've helped yourself successfully.
Hey just wondering how you’re getting on with this .cheers
There is a demon behind this condition, I have just been delivered after battling extreme blasphemous thoughts and anxiety for 1 year. The demons really tormented me to a point I became suicidal, I pray for anyone going through this situation, it is a very dark place to be in, may our Lord God deliver us from evil , Amen
Omg can you PLEASE tell me about your journey?! How was it cured in an year? It has been 8 years for me. Omg. Constant blasphemous thoughts and intrusive thoughts have been harassing me for years and WILL NOT STOP.
Can you please tell me how you got to the point in your life where you managed to get delivered? How did you fight this condition? I agree that this is demonic. If I read psalms for 5 hours they subside.. But I'm so depressed that 5 hours seems impossible to do every day.
Please help me by sharing your testimony.
The thoughts plague me 24/7. It's not so bad anymore but it's not totally going away. I think I got an epiphany from God but I've also been self medicating. I think because if I self medicate with drugs, it is a sin so they step away from me and don't need to try as hard to torment me. But I tried Ritalin and Klonopin and the thoughts completely stopped. Vyvanse and Ativan did the same thing so I'm confused.
ERP makes it worse. The more I entertain it the deeper and more blasphemous it gets. It stops me from thinking clearly and it is scary.
How did you stop this? I've been diagnosed with OCD 4x now. But my thoughts are only centered on religion or morality. It's got so bad that I also became suicidal. The demons won't let go. I want them to but even now I saw a '666' flash in my mind. This is demonic and evil. Please help me.
- Evie
@evielee254 a comment said to not pay attention to the thoughts
@@evielee254 have u tried antidepressants?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 KJV, Jesus Christ is the only way...,,,,,
I'm afraid you are wrong in what you say a person with Scrupulosity should do. A person with faith needs to focus on the compassion and love of God, not focus on demonic images. Your comments would drive a person with faith into deeper mental torment because everything we face is a spiritual battle and there is warfare going on in heavenly realms for each soul. You need to listen to Mark DeJesus, he will explain to you, as a Christian, how important it is to focus on the goodness of God and to have compassion for ourselves.
What about if it’s something else
Blasphemy Like demons witches or other supernatural things ? Would it be the same ? Just asking this question makes me question my mental health and thinking I’m going crazy
This is so tricky because those ERPs are considered sins and one with this type of OCD does not wanna sin..It's even trickier because of the fear of punishment which may be LATER not instantaneous. I admire if you have time to reply this, as it is overwhelming.
Yes, same here
Well exactly. If it wasn't that you considered the thoughts/words a sin or wrong in some way you probably wouldn't have OCD in the first place....
i agree. people say i just have to accept it, but NO! I don't want to accept those blasphemous intrusive thoughts. I don't want to sin against the Lord!
@@23katied How can I deal with it?
Existence of this OCD is proof personal Gods don’t exist. What God would just stand by and watch as people, often children, suffer from fear of blasphemous thoughts?
Thanks Katie, another super helpful video! You really have a way of explaining the things people with ocd spend years fearing that makes it all seem not so terrifying afterall, definitely achievable!
omg all these videos I keep nodding my head cause i (unfortunately) understand and relate to what's being said.....i am so glad i have an answer...this is a revelation to me...i've always felt something was not right with my thinking since i was a kid...it makes sense now..
Thank you for these helpful tips and suggestions. I wish I knew all about these when all these silly intrusive thoughts started as a child.
I worry that God controls my mind and if I said I control my mind that he's going to put nasty thoughts in my head. I worry that my that my ocd will make me have nasty thoughts.i worry that I have to punish myself because I said that word I control my own mind. Help please.
I found my mom dead when I was 13 and 2 years after I started to develop a fear of psychosis or going insane. I designed my whole life just making sure I do the right things to keep myself sane (sleep enough is number 1, its a real obsession, number 2 eating healthy, 3 mentally preparing for vacations or activities, 4 I make sure I don't plan too much in one day, this way I don't get overwhelmed and there's smaller chance of getting psychosis. The list goes on and on). I'm 32 now and this fear feels like it grew into my soul. Until now I never realized that it's mostly thoughts and the fact that its actually ok to expose myself purposely without consequences is mind blowing. I really thought that avoiding anything that could make me insane, is the right thing to do.. I can't believe that you tell me to purposely look for triggers, but I'm 100% open to it!!! Thank you for your video's.
didnt think this was a thing until the enemy is trying to put in Blasphemous thoughts against the Holy Spirit and its a horrible scary experience trying to block it and fight it off....anything can trigger it and it just pops up in my head.
Can you do a video about perfectionism. Not as an all round OCD but as a trait. My ocd genially revolves around going crazy but I feel constantly if I don’t do things perfectly then I’m out of control. For example cleaning the house or doing any daily activities. I hope you see this :D thanks
I don’t care if I go crazy. You should not be scared of that. My OCD has way more serious themes
My ocd is sexual thought about my mom and i really feel shameful about it but your video really help me
Hi Katie, my 9 year old daughter thinks she will go to hell if she does certain things "wrong", like putting her shoes on wrong for example. This then prevents her from doing the thing itself. Any ideas on how to use ERP for this please? Thank you.
Hi Baz. In a case like this ERP is relatively straightforward to design. You would get her to deliberately do something "wrong" (you could create a heirarchy so she starts with something that is not the scariest thing) and then help her to not engage in ruminating or worrying about the possibility of something bad happening by engaging her in something else. Remember not to reassure her in any way that the bad thing won't happen! What you are trying to do here is help her to see that her fears are just fears and that if she does something 'wrong' and she feels bad she can cope with that bad feeling and the feeling will subside on it's own over time and she doesn't need to do anything to make it go away. If she keeps thinking about it and vocalising it you can just say 'yeah, well, maybe, who knows - hey look over here (not those exact words but what I mean is engage her in something else while not telling her not to think about it - make take a bit of practice on your part). Later, if you can see she has refocussed and probably forgotten about it do not be afraid to bring it up - you can say - hey are you still worrying about that - and if she says not so much I'd forgotten until you said that, you can help her to see that by doing the feared thing and then doing nothing her anxiety/discomfort went away on it's own. I'd suggest trying to do a deliberate exposure with her daily - so choose a time that works rather than just doing it when she needs to e.g put on her shoes) and over time you can build up to more or you may find that at some point it clicks and she just 'gets it' and stops worrying about it. This can happen with kids as they are so much quicker to learn than us adults!
@@23katied That's brilliant, thank you very much for your advice there, I really do appreciate you taking the time to answer my question so thoroughly. Some great tips there that I can try. Many thanks!
I was also wondering if you could please add body- focused (somatosensory) obsessions to the list of videos?!
Yes, it's on my list.
Kathie always suggests to face repeated exposures,In life we have to face to overcome anything not just fear...
Beautiful Video Madam, Thank You.. God Bless You for Helping Us....
Hi Katie d'ath. I have a compulsion of checking my work several times . I work as a auditor. While I was working one day, I got a obsessive taught that " make him forget what he reads, so that he checks his work ". After that taught, I developed a fear that I might file a wrong income tax return, prepare wrong accounts etc. I keep checking my work several times in a day to avoid any mistake. I understand that I should not check but it's not possible to not check when ur working the whole day. I check the amounts, reread the phrases to ensure that I read it & understood it correctly etc. Anything I can do to come out of it.
Beside that your videos are changing my life, it makes me understand the the truth of the old one. Thank you for all of that!
P.s please try to focus a little more about the social anxiety.
No problem, I'll add it to the list - might be a little while before I manage to do it as the list is quite long!
Hey just wondering how you’re getting on with this cheers
I'm exposing but just react automatically I have no way to change my response I don't know why. I have anxiety all day. Any suggestions much appreciated?
Mam, thanks for making videos... your habituation video (video no. 3) helped me lot to overcome contamination ocd but i still have pure o ocd and avoidant personality and grandiose thinking, can you please make some video on it or if you can suggest some link or books
Hey just wondering how you’re getting on with this, cheers
First of all thank you a lot for all of these videos
Apart from that , I have a question to ask : is it possible to overcome ocd completely ? It has been bothering me for a while
Hey just wondering how you’re getting on with this, cheers
@@jamesjohnstone1224 oh, i'm much better thanks.i actually got accepted to medical school recently, and it was not something i thought possible while battling with ocd. So yeah, to whoever out there struggling with ocd, anxiety, etc take one step at a time. I'm still fighting ocd but life goes on and it will get better, let's not lose hope and continue ✨
@@rastisjd6147 thanks for your reply, and congratulations,so with time it gets better then ? I just need hope right now
@@jamesjohnstone1224 Yeah it definitely can get better but it requires effort, there's a channel on youtube "ocd and anxiety" its videos helped me, and one thing i advise you to remember day and night is "your thoughts don't define who you are". Maybe they are scary, blasphemous, let them come, don't avoid triggers, it just gives value to the thought as if it's important. Sit with anxiety. You are worried about these simply because you care. Don't forget that you're beautiful. Hope you'll get better. I'm fighting along with you ✨
@@rastisjd6147 thanks so much ! Best of y I on your journey too
Hey Mam
Intrusive unwanted sexual thought of partner with strangers is this ocd thoughts or not
Pls help me answer
Are emotions like doubt felt in the brain, or comes from the brain but felt in our body(physically)?
Hi Katie, could you please do a video on false memory obsessive thoughts and how to use ERP for those
So do we have to CONDiTiON OURSELVES TO ACCEPT EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES
Hopefully not. Don't accept it.. Pray.
Good info. 👍
could you please talk about OCD staring. for me it started when someone pointed out that I have good eyes and that I never look below neck of a person. Sorry for bad english
Hmmm. I think you are saying you now stare because you think your eyes shouldn't wander. If so then start deliberately looking where you think you shouldn't be looking....
Mam, could you please make a video about how to control thoughts coming from maladaptive daydreaming please?
I’ve made lots of videos about how to stop trying to control your thoughts - maybe try these instead! My Attention training video might also be helpful for you.
Hi Katie 👋 I really need your help even though it seems that my question is very simple my OCD makes it really complicated and it makes me so exhausted. Is the feeling of doubt without even a thought an obsession?
No reason you couldn’t just feel lots of doubt without noticing a trigger. Try embracing this feeling rather than trying to work it out,fix it or get it to go away.
Hi Katie, how often should I listen to the recordings of repeated phrases? I've been listening twice a day for 30 mins at a time for a few days, but anxiety from OCD is still huge.
So the guideline is to listen to it until your anxiety starts to come down several notches at least. How are you getting on with it now? Sometimes if it is not working it may be that it's not quite hitting the nail on the head or you are unwittingly doing something that is stopping you from habituating.
@@23katied thank you the reply Katie! Because my ocd is real event ocd, when I do the erp I generally believe its pointless, as the ocd in my mind is real and has actually occurred. The typical "these are just thoughts" don't work for me.
Thanks Katie for all your videos...you methods are really effective and I have slowly overcomed so many of OCD thoughts ..thanks very much for changing my life 😊
So happy you’ve been finding the videos helpful. Well done on making so much progress.
Hey just wondering how you’re getting on now cheers
Thank you for this. ERP is really the golden standard. You’re a fantastic therapist.
You have no Idea how much your videos help to change life's 🙌🙏 thank you very much
Out of context: I love your voice
Your hair looks beautiful xx
I didn’t even watch the video yet but reading these comments alone have brought me so much peace. You’re thoughts are not real and remember you are alone - to anyone else who goes through this. Don’t even give these thoughts the time of day. 💕
I believe you mean *you are NOT alone.*
Thanks Your videos have really helped
So does OCD mean these thoughts are not true Dr Katie. I am so scared they are true
It's not about whether the thoughts are true or not it's about living with that uncertainty and treating them like they are unimportant to you..... no point trying to force yourself to get an answer about if they are true or not as it won't help...
Thanks
Does Imaginary Exposure is enough to overcome Religious ocd ?
Imaginary exposure is good if you can't find a way of doing more real world exposure but I would think that you can find ways of doing this for a religious theme and if you are not doing it it is likely you are avoiding....
@@23katiedThank you mam for your reply.how to remove fear about God when you have religious ocd also how to change perspective about God like God is not punishing ?
Is constantly feeling anxious a type of ocd?
I've been wondering the same thing
What to do if anxious without any reason ??
Just let the anxiety be there and it will go away on it’s own.
Ahh OMG
Okay I'm getting very confused on this and would appreciate some clarification, in one part of this video you said that people who have this issue could say something like "I love the devil" if they felt up to it and felt confident enough. How would you advise people such as myself who has horrendous thoughts of hurting people to do an exposure please? I've done ERP using the same kind of idea and I now have massive guilt issues and the OCD saying that I must be a bad person for even saying these things. Please could you help with a reply at some point, thanks.
Sorry for the very delayed response. Usually with fear of harming you will have lots of things you avoid or do in order to make sure you don't harm people. So one way is to build yourself and ERP programme based around doing these things differently (for example I've had clients who have slept with a kitchen knife on their bedside table, taken rope in their pocket when out for a walk etc). But if you are talking about doing imaginal exposure then yes you could for e.g write down I want to kill (whoever) and read it out loud over and over or record it and listen to it on loop - you do this for 5-10 minutes at a time until your discomfort starts to come down a bit - the idea is that at present your mind responds to these thoughts like they are a fire alarm going off and we want to train your mind to respond to them like they are just background noise (i.e don't need responding to).
Thank for taking the time to reply and what you say makes total sense, could the same exposure to unwanted promises and vows be treated in the same way? Obviously these carry a serious meaning so using them in ERP would be very hard and traumatic as a treatment but I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
Thank you again, I appreciate you must be so busy.
Phill.
@@philllev I'm not quite clear what you are asking here in terms of the unwanted promises and vows but in short you can use ERP with any content. Just bear in mind that it is the process that we are wanting to change and not the content. In general people are trying to avoid having certain thoughts and feelings so the exposure is to have more of these thoughts and feelings. So in the case of thoughts of harm it's not that we are trying to expose you to harming someone but instead to the thoughts of harming someone. I hope that helps.
Thank you for the reply, I guess my question is if your issue is with vows and promises which are normally classed as binding what sort of ERP dialogue should you use? It's scary enough doing the therapy but knowing what you are saying is a vow or a promise is even worse. I hope that makes sense.
@@philllev AH ok. Well in that case what I would say is that I would use whatever language you find triggering. If you try and make it somehow 'acceptable' then you won't be targeting your fear. Tolerating the anxiety/guilt/discomfort of saying or thinking something that is outside of your beliefs is what it is all about. You could try drawing a stick man cartoon of you breaking those vows or record yourself saying the triggering vow break and listen to it on loop.
Madam please make a video on ERP ideas for Pure O 🙏
Katie has made videos on pure O -watch #15 and #16
And #17
Hiii Aditya please help me. My name is Ritesh Kumar Jha. I am suffering from pure o . Kya ap OCD ke Baare me ache se jante hain. To please mujhe bataye. Mera number is 6203463845
In my case I'm suffering from the opposite. I'm trying to be atheist i have some good Reasons as well. But i just can't shake the idea of sin or punishment.
See I'm suffering from "severe" superstitious OCD for the past 14 years, this is literally hell and im not even joking .
The only way i can be free now is either die or try hypnosis to get rid of the idea of god😔
The more you try and get rid of an idea the more it’s going to stick around....
Me too! How are you now?
what if you do say that thought tho you yourself but you dont want that can i get a answer pls my dad says it doesnt matter god forgives sinners so long as you dont do anything bad in life what your head says or you say in it doesnt matter
my mind says it wants to sell me and that it has i say no have to type this in cause i feel bad if i dont but what do i do to these thoughts do i ignore its in my head btw i only ever say no outloud never anything else outloud