As much as I love Smokey Stevie and Supremes music I am fed up of the big Motown events excluding all the other great Motown artists who made amazing tracks and the list is endless...Junior Walker, Brenda Holloway, Kim Weston, The Originals, The Contours, Chris Clark, Mary Wells, The Velvelettes etc etc etc...these singers/groups are rarely mentioned at Motown events but Ms Ross and Smokey always get centre stage and always get the attention. I suppose because they made Berry the most money, but it's sickening.
They never mention the Marvellettes at these events either. The Marvelletes had the first national #1 hit at Motown and ended up having several more top 40 hits. But Motown likes to act as if the Marvellettes never existed.
@@sunsetsun-qt3uw oh it's stories of him cheating his artists favoring Diana Ross over his other artists because of their close relationship. It's a lot about him
@@dollydagger2093 not all of them. But where are they going to appear today? They might as well put their faces in with Motown as they had hit records there. I was shocked that Mary Wells even appeared on Motown 25 after she sued them to break her contract and claimed Motown hated her to the point they threatened radio stations that played her post Motown records.
Motown was the first black-owned record label created by Berry Gordy. The story started where he signed a lot of local acts like Diana Ross, The Supremes, Stevie Wonder, Rick James, Commodores, Lionel Richie, Marvin Gaye, Tammi Terrell, Smokey Robinson, Teena Marie, The Jackson 5, The Temptations and many others. Back then, a lot of artists wanna to sign with Berry Gordy, so he didn’t allowed his artists to be songwriters in their own right.
its amazing how so many huge legendary talents all came from detroit at that time, but a lot of the acts were from others places too. and a bunch of them wrote their own songs.
Taylor Burton why you say that sounds like what diana ross it sounds like to me if somebody don't let somebody walk all over them than already got to say oh they are nasty or they bitch or this and that is the cause that person don't let you walk all over them and they are very outspoken cause some people loves to walk all over them if they know you are not going to do anything and than thats when they take advantage of you
Diana Ross was NOBODIES FRIEND !! In all honesty Florence and Mary were real friends, Diana was a 3rd wheel. They say before Diana met Mary and Florence she was a loner. I always felt the ending of Florence's career was deeper than her being an alcoholic; because Florence stood her ground and called out the BS and they were mad. The audacity of Berry Gordy to think Florence had to dim her light for Diana Ross. Show business doesn't have to be so cut throat if there wasn't so many snakes. It didn't even stop there, when Florence was making solo music Berry Gordy was sabotaging her by threatening ABC records to shelf her. This man literally wanted to see Florence at her lowest. Diana was aware of everything he was doing and that whats makes her a shady person. The problem wasn't Diana wanting to be famous, the issue is how she went about it. Mary stated in her book Diana intentionally plotted to seduce Berry so the Supremes could get special treatment. I also side eye Mary a bit because she was very complacent and wanted fame just as much as Diana did, but she wasn't has bold or ruthless. Mary was defiantly a fence sitter. Berry wasn't dumb, he knew Diana was using him. Probably why I don't feel bad that Berry played Diana in the end. Berry played a lot of his artists , but he made Dina a top priority and a movie star so she couldn't complain. Both Berry Gordy and Diana Ross were greedy narcissists; I can bout imagine all the whispering and pillow talking they were doing. Diana was no genuine friend, nobody was asking her to hold Florence's hand. Friendship is about looking out for each other. Diana could have easily had a woman to woman conversation with Florence but instead she deliberately wanted the attention on herself.
Oh you know Berry and Diana Flo and Mary personally.? No you don't you just regurgitating the same old character assassination bull crap,,,Nothing you wrote is original. Flo destroyed herself and Berry had no leverage over ABC records please. You and the rest are blaming Berry and Diana for other peoples failures. If it wasn't for those two nobody would know who Mary and Flo were and the rest of the Motown acts as well.....put down the hater juice...
Well said but some folks don’t want to believe it. Berry Gordy F’d Flo out of everything and her ignorance and wanting to be rid of Motown she didn’t read her release papers only signed them and when her shyster lawyer saw how negligent she was he helped himself to the money Flo got from Motown upon her release. She was broke within a year and half. Also if folks think Berry Gordy didn’t sabotage Flo’s career then they’re freaking crazy. How in the hell they think he was going to watch a former Supreme start her solo career when Motown had a lot of their money in Diana Ross and the Supremes. Threatening calls to Flo as well was going on. Flo was just beginning to talk before she died. Flo wouldn’t play the game and it cost her and her drinking and all did her in. Mary wanted fame just like Diana and did what she was told but also saw how Berry did Flo and she made sure she’d not open her mouth. When Mary started to grow up finally it was too late for her career with the Supremes sunk as money was pumped even more into Diana’s career. Diana Ross was always about herself. People don’t get to the top being nice … well not all of them are mean and ugly. Diana and Berry have stated they wanted it all and they weren’t gonna let their relationship get in the way. They had a plan and Berry saw she was with him every step of the way so he made sure his investment in her and the group paid off. That’s Show Business for u.
All the stuff that's written about Diana Ross TutTut, if the backing Supremes didn't like being billed as Diana Ross and Supremes wh6 didn't they simply leave and for the record didn't Cindy Birdsong jumpship lol with Diana taking lead they certainly made alot of money.
Chris Clark, Bruce Willis, some guy who sort of looked like younger Tony Bennett, Rare Earth, and weren't some of the Vancouvers (Bobby&the Vancouvers) white as well?.... they had others and I think Ms. Clark was a Motown artist before Sam. What i did not understand about Sam's debut album on Motown was how or why the label released "Sugar Don't Bite" as the first single when it clearly was not that strong and was more of an album cut.
I’m tired of people trashing these artists, I agree, I’m tired of hearing about Ross and Robinson, but, can’t we just say that this record label gave the world some of the best music ever?!
As we know this book was trashed and didnt sell...his stories were distorted and sensationalized. His Marvin Gaye/Diana Ross story is a prime example. They recorded in different studios because Marvin wouldn't stop smoking weed and she was pregnant. Not because they didnt like each other. However he tells that story to make Diana the bad guy? Marvin even admitted he could've handled that better. Marvin showed up at her famous Ceasars Palace concert in 79 and sang with her didnt look like two people that didnt like each other. That Gladys Horton story reeks of BS does anyone believe Diana tried to run down a blind kid!! come on now... It sounds like something distorted or made up out of jealousy (horton) or sell books (Posner)
Yes you are right this fool is Latino who was not their don’t know nothing off black music and black love these special Artists had And in that era what a fool dragging down Berry who done best thing in music Industry white supremacy hating on him also Diana doing excellent music and Marvin who was a man that white supremacy got him killed 🙏
@@jobggybuj3739 it is well documented by virtually every motown artist except stevie and smokey that Diana was a PAIN IN THE ASS and she is a nasty woman. Do not like nasty false people.
Very true. Gordy could have had many super stars, female stars gladys horton,martha reeves,Mary wells, gladys knight, etc These ladies had powerful voices vs Ross. I was a die hard diana ross fan.After ,reading how Ross treated Florence,Mary terrible . I no longer spend $500..00 - $600.00 on a ticket to get ring side seat to see Diana. She has not had a #1 top hit ,last one Endless love. I loved Tina Turner,Aretha endlessly. I miss them so. I no longer a Diana Ross fan since,1964. Dave
What a bunch of Bull this guy was putting out there, all the Motown artists were young Kids unbelievable this guys book never sold!!look who was talking about going to court 🙄
Here we go the old boring stories that Diana Ross is nasty and other Motown stars didn't like her. Well let's hear all the stories about them and when they had bad days. No there arnt any because according to them they all lived lives where they were perfect. According to them they never even used a swear word. Must be nice to live in your glass houses while every one throws stones at Diana Ross.
How did she fall flat? Seems to me she’s done very well in life. Although I have heard by those she’s worked with that she’s very very difficult and can be quite rude.
@@maxipazz8214 Diana Ross is still an African American Queen, a legend which is more than you can say about your sorry ass self. She was a young teen, who made it from the Detroit projects. She rose from the hood to become an international superstar. To hell with y'all fake sorry assess. Diana did more than your bum asses ever will. She's a survivor, who had some street sense and a survivor's instincts. People always try to disrespect black women on top which is why Diana couldn't be a cream puff. Like Serena Williams her achievements deserve respect. They hate us because they ain't us. Other bw be mad hating too. Shout out to Barry who built an empire. The haters can die. We need that kind of energy today coming out of the urban jungles.
Aretha Franklin's father, the Rev. C.L. Franklin, would not allow Aretha to sign with Motown when she first started to sing secular music because he knew Berry Gordy's reputation as a "shyster" when it came to money.
Yes and you will never have 2 ‘Shysters’(shady characters) able to do business because they will both trying to steal whatever they can. Which is why Aretha’s father died the way he did!
As people say diana ross was not nice to the girls or whatever..but am not trying to be nice am trying to get to the top...as she did..diana had that voice...
I remember when I was a kid in the 80s we all thought these things were old arguments from the 1960s that we were 10-20 years past and most people felt like the people who still cared should let it go. That was 30-40 years ago.
Some of this, if not all of sounds like it was true! I'm a singer, who never made it big! I was inspired by Motown, and other singers and record companies! But Motown to my understanding, had a dark side! Berry Gordy, made stars out of people. But to my understanding, he wasn't a nice boss/ supervisor to work under. I wanted to be at Motown! Maybe it's good that I never did! Maybe another record company and supervisor would have. And still may be better for me! Now Motown and berry Gordy did a good thing. They got good music started by black people during the Civl Rights Movement. And they crossed over real good. Nobody tried to stop them. Many white people seemed to like them. Maybe the KKK even like their music. But not their race! Motown made history in music and life. Not just here in the United States, but around the entire world 🌏🌎🌍!
No you didnt. This is a massive lie. The first popular music was classical for hundreds of years, like Opera and orchestral music.. Then in the 18th century the orchestras evolved into big band with or without vocalists, which black people appropriated and called Jazz. The Jazz genre focused on improvisation, because most of the black musicians didnt read and write music, and many were illiterate in the early days. Various forms of western folk music existed in Europe and the US for hundreds of years, The black blues was derivative of western folk music. So called black music uses the same song structure and time as existing western folk music, Songs constructed in AABA, usually in 4/4 time. This is a very western thing. The first black artists were produced and mentored by white record producers and musicians. You can listen to the earliest African music from Africa, and their music is completely different. Mostly repetitive drum rythyms, with vocal harmonies, in very odd time formats. Of course Africans had no understanding of chords, or timing, or any theory. They didnt have pianos, brass instruments, or really any instruments except drums. Theres nothing out of Africa that comes close to western music. Blues was the black version of existing folk music using very similar song structures, which makes sense given the influence of white record producers who packaged songs in that format to sell to a mostly white audience.
There were other western genres I omitted, like Christian popular music sung in churches around the world for hundreds of years. Many of them are still sung in churches today.
@@tubester4567 Here we go. Another jealous HATER who has to resort to lying his behind off because he realized that blak Americans are too great and trump whyte supremacy while being under it's boot and it's primary target! THAT is why we are so great. Now you want a want fake whyte source for blues. Whyte folk music - as heard in the 50's and 60's, damned sure is nothing blaks would have made and was nothing that blaks got influenced by! LOL. Whytes have no reason to sing any blues - only the oppressed did. Beethoven and Amadeus were blak dudes by the way. I am not sure why you brought up Africa, but I agree with you on that part - since we are NOT African, which is why Africans can't do what we do! If we were Africans, there would be tons of African Al Greens, David Ruffins, R. Kelly's, etc. Now... Compare that to whyte Americans and British and a few other European artists. Note the similarities in abilities, although we could easily argue that the British do it better because they studied from the source - blak Americans!
ya hear all these various stories about diana ross, but you gotta remember when youre a super star talent and so highly driven you have to be ruthless selfish and single minded at times. maybe in person she isnt the nicest person youve ever met in your life, but the other truth is- shes incredibly special and we still love her anyway, same goes for all number of big stars.
@@cdubz265 not true at all. I knew Mary PERSONALLY since 1962. Sam Cooke is the first one that told her she was not being compensated properly by Motown then she was egged on to leave by Herman Griffin and Robert West.The Supremes records did not get major promotion until Mary Wells left the company.Mary did not renew her contract in May 1964...Motown kept her tied up in court until Sept. 1964.
@@tonyrussi7777 oh ok, I was going by from what documentaries that I’ve seen over the years where it was implied that she did put the blame on BG promoting The Supremes with her earnings.
Plz stop turning black Artist against each other infact they all where a family unite they love 💗 and support each other do well you don’t see that with black stars 🌟 off today !!!! Plz get black people to talk on Motown who where their !!!!!!!
Many of the black Motown artists from the 60's have given interviews over the years about what it was really like to be a part of the Motown Family. Some artists were indeed treated better than others. Check out the interviews of Mary Wilson, Gladys Knight, Smokey Robinson, Ashford and Simpson to name a few. They were all part of the Motown family "from the 60s" and the story they tell is that not everybody got along. The business was dog-eat-dog back then.
Read up on it! There’s plenty of stories out there of her being evil like stealing the other female acts wardrobe and wearing it on the show leaving them with nothing to getting Flo(the founding member of the Supremes) kicked out of her own group! Diane is a wicked witch
@@tggt2939 You just told a bunch of lies...Patti LaBelle is a liar....everytine she tells that story it changes. Flo got drunk gained weight and couldn't fit the gowns showed up late and cussed out the boss...that's how you get fired.
@@Maatization Excuse me???? Lies NOT! All facts!!! If what I said was all lies explain all the other female acts of that time with similar stories about Miss Ross stealing their dresses and being a complete b! Gladys Knight, Martha and the Vandellas, even her own bandmate Mary Wilson! And The list goes on. Coincidence I think not!
I really do not get the Diana hate at all. The SORING FAME of the Supremes.. was absolutely ALL BECAUSE it was Diana Ross that the public fell in love with. Diana had NO CONTROL over that. Her light was just brighter, she had that “IT” factor…, just like Michael was the star of the Jackson five. Mary, Flo, Barry etc… should ALL BE THANKFUL TO DIANA.. because she was the Supremes!!! After Diana left, she was not responsible for the careers of the other Supremes .. Diana is not in any way the reason their careers were basically non-existent after Diana’s departure. It was because of the Jealousy Mary had for Diana that the 2000 tour did not take place… she said she wanted equal treatment and the whole thing fell apart.. that is not Diana’s fault … the truth is… Mary and Flo had not had any type of successful music career in over 25 years after Diana left the Supremes… but Diana … had been a megastar the whole time .. constantly selling out concerts for decades after her departure… so I’m sorry Mary.., but when it comes to business.., you were not equal… no where remotely equal to what Diana was bringing to the table. Also .., it was the girls jealousy and hate for Diana that was the strain on their friendship and relationship. For real… if you had friends always putting you down and hating on you.., you would not want that negativity either.., so I don’t blame Ms. Ross… she always kept it private and classy… and just left the whole situation alone… she did not ABANDON THEM.. she moved on… that is not the same thing!! Diana left the group with 10 number one hits, and superstardom… now the remaining members could not capitalize off of that mega exposure… are you all really gone blame Diana for that?? The Diana hate is really unfair and wrong… those great opportunities.., and the great ride they all had in the Supremes… was because of DIANA ROSS … PERIOD!!!!!
@@juanitagartley937 Those other artists were all sleeping with each other and backstabbing one another. The book sounds like a disappointment since its not covering other artists. What about Kim Weston, Stevie Wonder & Carolyn Crawford? All of them were underage artists who were forced into touring with adult acts? Zero nothing written. Bet they will start backbiting Stevie Wonder.
Why does it always it have to be hate? Do we hate on her? No it's just that you say this same old thing knowing dang well it's not true everyone knows their more icing on the cake.
@K.N. Carter: Try reading Eddie and Brian Holland's "Come And Get These Memories" (2019 book). You may be interested know what Brian Holland says about her......
ALL what Posner says is ALL TRUE...the Detroit Court records DON'T LIE!!! and the old Motown artists was not lying on Berry Gordy either...that poor company NEVER reached it's FULL potential, even with all the success.
@Mystic Ahkenaton: I think the company did meet it's full potential...Motown Records is the only independent, black-owned record company in history (there are no others). He took young, talented black men and women on tours (theaters) in the South; (Motortown Revues ) because racism and segregation stopped them from appearing in other venues (white). Their tour buses were shot at by racist townspeople; they couldn't get gasoline at certain stations; they don't serve "niggers." And now you are going to tell me Berry Gordy, Jr.'s Motown Records didn't meet its potential? You are going to let a white man (Russian at that) validate our brother Berry's success? Did you know white stations didn't play early Motown records on its stations in some cities? Motown hung in there DESPITE all of this. Your name "Mystic Ahkenaton" is too deep for you...you don't know black history?
@@michellekirkendall818 Motown might’ve been the longest running or most successful independent black owned record company, but it definitely wasn’t the only one in history. It wasn’t even the only one to come out of Detroit actually. There have been numerous black owned labels before and after Motown.
@@HardCold-Alquan No matter what, I am going to give props to black folk...."Pops" and Bertha Gordy....son, Berry Gordy, Jr, one of nine children; for giving us five labels; talent on all of them. All from one city. Eddie Holland describes it as a "club." In Detroit, Motown is where you hung out, and made music. It was the greatest thing happening in a small town like Detroit. There was diversity, actually to begin with, but there was still the great artists UPFRONT. The songs are masterpieces; greater with the passage of time. I am going to give Brother Gordy THE CREDIT.
@@HardCold-Alquan UPFRONT? What do I mean? Undeniably, you heard young black people singing wonderfully; no matter who you think was behind the scenes.
@Rosetta Bosley: And a lot of her neighbors STAYED until they tore them down...folks, you all will not, and cannot break the 62 year career of Miss Diana Ross...give it up, ya'll...now go play the groups 12 #1's; even play some of their very early Motown singles....they're great to hear!
@@rosettabosley5562 My Aunt Martha worked many years as an accountant at Hudson Department Store downtown Detroit, Michigan. Aunt Martha says Hudson's was really high class. Her office people were so proud of The Supremes success at that time. She 'thinks' Diana Ross worked in the cafeteria.
So was Gladys Horton who was also a drug addict. She was pulled down the way people like to see black female stars. They celebrated Whitney Houston's fall from grace. People in the industry are so damned, nasty especially, towards BW superstars. Proud of Annie Mae Bullock too a.k.a. Tina Turner who did it w/o drugs or alcohol.
They are wrong about all the artist white washing stuff. I've heard some of this before and read about some of this before in some of the books the artist have written. There are also documentaries.
What in the name of love are u talking about? Who is Dianna Carroll & what show is Density?🤔🙀🤬 Could u be talking about Diahann Carroll/Dynasty? U are as far from that as the east is from the west. Please get ur facts straight.
Was not my experience the night I met her in person at Studio One's Backlot room where she was celebrating her birthday. I thought Ms. Wilson was Mary Wells as the bartender told me they were having a birthday bash for "Mary Wells" so she could've been mean when I started talking to her as if she was Mary Wells.. She wasn't ruffled at all and was very sweet about my mistake. She just said "Oh no, honey, I'm not Mary Wells, I'm Mary Wilson but Mary Wells is a good friend of mine." She was also drop dead gorgeous at that time.
@@FriendofDorothy THANKS FOR TELLIN ME. YES SHE WAS GORGIIOUS EVEN AT 42 HERE LEGS WERE OF 18 YEAR OLD GIRL. HER RUDE NESS WITH ME I BELIEVE IT HAD TO DO WITH FREIND WHO WAS GROOPY. THERE ONES ALLWAYS THERE. IM NOT NUT GROOPY. HE IS BLACK IM WHITE. THE ONLY TIME HE DID NOT CALL ME TO TAKE BUS WITH HIM IN SAUGUS MASS. SO I WENT WITH MY SISTER AND BROTHER IN LAW. I DID NOT KNOW HE WAS GOING HE NEVER CALLED OR TOLD ME HE GOT TABLE. HE CERTIANLY KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING SITTEN ALONE. . I WAS SURPRISE I WOULD ASK HIM TO COME LONG. HE HAD TABLE ALL BY HIMSELF. NEXT TO OURS. I SAID WOULD YOU LIKE SIT NEAR ME. REESE? NO I RATHER SIT ALONE. OK. . KIND NERD GUY ANYWAYS A LONER. NOTHEN WRONG WITH THAT. ...BUT I FORGOT HE WORKED FOR PBS WERE MARY DONE SOME SHOWS. SO WHEN SHE CAME OUT SHE SANG TO HIM HUG HIM SAT WITH HIM. ALL LONG SHES LOOKEN AT ME SAYEN HOW DO YOU LIKE IT. WHITE BOY.... SHE WAS REALIN NAILIN IT IN. ....I FELT HER INSACURE BABY BOOMER CRAP THAT THERE NEVER SATISFIED. GETINN BACK FOR SOUTH TOURS...IN SIXTIES. ... I JUST SAT THERE IN SHOCK. I WAS DRESSED UP BUT I SAW HER WAYS IN VIDEOS SHE HAD LOT REZEMENTS ANOTHER ONE GREW REZEZRNTMENT WAS LAST TWO MARVELETTES NOT GLADYS HORTON. I REALIZE SHE KNEW REESE. AND HE HAS ANOTHER HANG UP ON RACE. WHEN HE TOLD ME CERTAIN KIND PREJIDICE. THERES ONLY ONE. HATE OR LOVE. TODAY I WOULD SAID SOMETHIN. I WOULD TOLD HER MARY YOU BEEN ALL OVER WORLD. SAW KINGS AND QUEENS WHO ARE SPYCHO PATHS. BEEN IN CLASS. YOU REPERZENTED SOUND OF AMERICA. THEN BE IT. NOT BACK WERE YOU CAME FROM....THIS WHY GORDY HAD CHARM CLASSES. THEY CAME FROM PROJECTS. ..NOT. SAYEN SOME HAVE DIFICULT LIFE PLAN. I KNEW WHAT SHE DID I NEVER WAS ABLE TO SEE HER AGAIN. AFTER THAT WHO CARES. IF IT WASNT. FOR DIANA DRIVE NONE THEM WOULD BEEN WERE THERE NOW. GORDY I DONT APROVE HIM ETHIER IN SOME THINGS BUT HE SAID TO MARY. IF IT WASNT FOR DIANIA YOU WOULD NOT BEEN THERE. AND HES RIGHT ITS CORUPTED.... DIANE HAD TO GET THREW SEXPAIDES THREW ROBINSON MIRCLES AND HOLLAND DOZIER.TO GET SONG PRODUCE. THEN TO BERRY TO GET NOTICE. I HAVE TO GIVE HER CREDIT. SHE OWES LOT TO HER. BUT THAT INCIDENT LEFT ME ILL.....THAT ALL BAD WOUNDS THEY GOT TOLD PROGRAMMED BACK IN BY CABOL WAS THROWN AT ME. I FRANKLY HAD NOTHEN TO DO WITH IT.... SHE HAD WHITE PEOPLE ALL OVER WORLD. SHE DID THAT TO ME SHE NEVER CAME TO ANY OF TABLES..... WHAT HELL WAS SHE TRYEN PROVE..... WE ALL BOUGHT SAME TICKET. DIVIDE AND CONQUER. SHE STILL HAD HATETRED NEVER ENOUGH CAN SATISFY HER. DIANE WAS RIGHT. IT WAS MEAN. AND THAT FREIND WAS MUCH FREIND. BEFORE THAT MY FAMILY DROVE REESE TO STOP. BUT THAT NIGHT .I TOTALLY DIDNT LOOK BACK.
Berry Gordy ripped EVERYONE off. Even Motown's bike Diane Ross.
Motown’s bike 😂😂😂
As much as I love Smokey Stevie and Supremes music I am fed up of the big Motown events excluding all the other great Motown artists who made amazing tracks and the list is endless...Junior Walker, Brenda Holloway, Kim Weston, The Originals, The Contours, Chris Clark, Mary Wells, The Velvelettes etc etc etc...these singers/groups are rarely mentioned at Motown events but Ms Ross and Smokey always get centre stage and always get the attention. I suppose because they made Berry the most money, but it's sickening.
Yes they make it so boring because all they do is bring up the same 3-4 acts when there were so many others that made Motown special.
The Marvelettes!
I’m in agreement with u
They never mention the Marvellettes at these events either. The Marvelletes had the first national #1 hit at Motown and ended up having several more top 40 hits. But Motown likes to act as if the Marvellettes never existed.
@@jackjules7552 I agree 👏🏽
We not never get the real Motown story Berry Gordy don't want that to get out
Hi im from Argentina im very fan of the motown story here im a rara avis lol,can you tell me someting ,because are many storys about gordy
@@sunsetsun-qt3uw oh it's stories of him cheating his artists favoring Diana Ross over his other artists because of their close relationship. It's a lot about him
@@mexia23 Yet the old stars show up when Motown is celebrated.
@@sunsetsun-qt3uw Read his autobiography TO BE LOVED.
@@dollydagger2093 not all of them. But where are they going to appear today? They might as well put their faces in with Motown as they had hit records there. I was shocked that Mary Wells even appeared on Motown 25 after she sued them to break her contract and claimed Motown hated her to the point they threatened radio stations that played her post Motown records.
Diana did not use her best judgement by attending Florence Ballard’s funeral (where the guests booed her) because they knew how she treated Florence.
She walked in the church ahead of the family instead of walking in behind the family RUDE!! I would have had her escorted out of the church!
THANK YOU ! I did not know that !@@janicerogers5781
But wouldn't she have been 'damned" if she didn't attend?
You can’t please anyone
Motown was the first black-owned record label created by Berry Gordy. The story started where he signed a lot of local acts like Diana Ross, The Supremes, Stevie Wonder, Rick James, Commodores, Lionel Richie, Marvin Gaye, Tammi Terrell, Smokey Robinson, Teena Marie, The Jackson 5, The Temptations and many others. Back then, a lot of artists wanna to sign with Berry Gordy, so he didn’t allowed his artists to be songwriters in their own right.
Many of the artists were songwriters.
its amazing how so many huge legendary talents all came from detroit at that time, but a lot of the acts were from others places too. and a bunch of them wrote their own songs.
Trying to run people over in a station wagon? Sounds like Diana Ross! 😩😂😂😂
Yeah only to her own race though !
Yes honey. The witch was apparently out for blood and guts that day
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Taylor Burton why you say that sounds like what diana ross it sounds like to me if somebody don't let somebody walk all over them than already got to say oh they are nasty or they bitch or this and that is the cause that person don't let you walk all over them and they are very outspoken cause some people loves to walk all over them if they know you are not going to do anything and than thats when they take advantage of you
Diana Ross was NOBODIES FRIEND !! In all honesty Florence and Mary were real friends, Diana was a 3rd wheel. They say before Diana met Mary and Florence she was a loner. I always felt the ending of Florence's career was deeper than her being an alcoholic; because Florence stood her ground and called out the BS and they were mad. The audacity of Berry Gordy to think Florence had to dim her light for Diana Ross. Show business doesn't have to be so cut throat if there wasn't so many snakes. It didn't even stop there, when Florence was making solo music Berry Gordy was sabotaging her by threatening ABC records to shelf her. This man literally wanted to see Florence at her lowest. Diana was aware of everything he was doing and that whats makes her a shady person.
The problem wasn't Diana wanting to be famous, the issue is how she went about it. Mary stated in her book Diana intentionally plotted to seduce Berry so the Supremes could get special treatment. I also side eye Mary a bit because she was very complacent and wanted fame just as much as Diana did, but she wasn't has bold or ruthless. Mary was defiantly a fence sitter. Berry wasn't dumb, he knew Diana was using him. Probably why I don't feel bad that Berry played Diana in the end. Berry played a lot of his artists , but he made Dina a top priority and a movie star so she couldn't complain.
Both Berry Gordy and Diana Ross were greedy narcissists; I can bout imagine all the whispering and pillow talking they were doing. Diana was no genuine friend, nobody was asking her to hold Florence's hand. Friendship is about looking out for each other. Diana could have easily had a woman to woman conversation with Florence but instead she deliberately wanted the attention on herself.
Oh you know Berry and Diana Flo and Mary personally.? No you don't you just regurgitating the same old character assassination bull crap,,,Nothing you wrote is original. Flo destroyed herself and Berry had no leverage over ABC records please. You and the rest are blaming Berry and Diana for other peoples failures. If it wasn't for those two nobody would know who Mary and Flo were and the rest of the Motown acts as well.....put down the hater juice...
Well said but some folks don’t want to believe it. Berry Gordy F’d Flo out of everything and her ignorance and wanting to be rid of Motown she didn’t read her release papers only signed them and when her shyster lawyer saw how negligent she was he helped himself to the money Flo got from Motown upon her release. She was broke within a year and half. Also if folks think Berry Gordy didn’t sabotage Flo’s career then they’re freaking crazy. How in the hell they think he was going to watch a former Supreme start her solo career when Motown had a lot of their money in Diana Ross and the Supremes. Threatening calls to Flo as well was going on. Flo was just beginning to talk before she died. Flo wouldn’t play the game and it cost her and her drinking and all did her in. Mary wanted fame just like Diana and did what she was told but also saw how Berry did Flo and she made sure she’d not open her mouth. When Mary started to grow up finally it was too late for her career with the Supremes sunk as money was pumped even more into Diana’s career. Diana Ross was always about herself. People don’t get to the top being nice … well not all of them are mean and ugly. Diana and Berry have stated they wanted it all and they weren’t gonna let their relationship get in the way. They had a plan and Berry saw she was with him every step of the way so he made sure his investment in her and the group paid off. That’s Show Business for u.
All the stuff that's written about Diana Ross TutTut, if the backing Supremes didn't like being billed as Diana Ross and Supremes wh6 didn't they simply leave and for the record didn't Cindy Birdsong jumpship lol with Diana taking lead they certainly made alot of money.
Gerald Posner is a Motown hater. He is not an expert on the company. He thought Sam Harris was their first White artist.
Chris Clark, Bruce Willis, some guy who sort of looked like younger Tony Bennett, Rare Earth, and weren't some of the Vancouvers (Bobby&the Vancouvers) white as well?.... they had others and I think Ms. Clark was a Motown artist before Sam. What i did not understand about Sam's debut album on Motown was how or why the label released "Sugar Don't Bite" as the first single when it clearly was not that strong and was more of an album cut.
I’m tired of people trashing these artists, I agree, I’m tired of hearing about Ross and Robinson, but, can’t we just say that this record label gave the world some of the best music ever?!
As we know this book was trashed and didnt sell...his stories were distorted and sensationalized. His Marvin Gaye/Diana Ross story is a prime example. They recorded in different studios because Marvin wouldn't stop smoking weed and she was pregnant. Not because they didnt like each other. However he tells that story to make Diana the bad guy? Marvin even admitted he could've handled that better. Marvin showed up at her famous Ceasars Palace concert in 79 and sang with her didnt look like two people that didnt like each other. That Gladys Horton story reeks of BS does anyone believe Diana tried to run down a blind kid!! come on now... It sounds like something distorted or made up out of jealousy (horton) or sell books (Posner)
Ok here we go again....
diana was a pain in the ass..period.
Yes you are right this fool is Latino who was not their don’t know nothing off black music and black love these special Artists had And in that era what a fool dragging down Berry who done best thing in music Industry white supremacy hating on him also Diana doing excellent music and Marvin who was a man that white supremacy got him killed 🙏
@@Dion_Mustard you was not their !!
@@jobggybuj3739 it is well documented by virtually every motown artist except stevie and smokey that Diana was a PAIN IN THE ASS and she is a nasty woman.
Do not like nasty false people.
Very true. Gordy could have had many super stars, female stars gladys horton,martha reeves,Mary wells, gladys knight, etc These ladies had powerful voices vs Ross.
I was a die hard diana ross fan.After ,reading how Ross treated Florence,Mary terrible .
I no longer spend $500..00 - $600.00 on a ticket to get ring side seat to see Diana. She has not had a #1 top hit ,last one Endless love.
I loved Tina Turner,Aretha endlessly. I miss them so.
I no longer a Diana Ross fan since,1964.
Dave
Not saying Diana Ross was an angel by no means but it’s a “rivalry” bc she pregnant and doesn’t want to inhale weed smoke while pregnant? LOL
Yeah they reaching. Clearly you see him at her concerned multiple times.
I read this book...this dude is bullshit
What a bunch of Bull this guy was putting out there, all the Motown artists were young Kids unbelievable this guys book never sold!!look who was talking about going to court 🙄
He ain’t told one lie yet. Hush
Here we go the old boring stories that Diana Ross is nasty and other Motown stars didn't like her. Well let's hear all the stories about them and when they had bad days. No there arnt any because according to them they all lived lives where they were perfect. According to them they never even used a swear word. Must be nice to live in your glass houses while every one throws stones at Diana Ross.
Ross is a spent force now, I’m glad Mary lived long enough to see Ross fall flat on her phoney face
How did she fall flat? Seems to me she’s done very well in life. Although I have heard by those she’s worked with that she’s very very difficult and can be quite rude.
@@maxipazz8214 Diana Ross is still an African American Queen, a legend which is more than you can say about your sorry ass self. She was a young teen, who made it from the Detroit projects. She rose from the hood to become an international superstar. To hell with y'all fake sorry assess. Diana did more than your bum asses ever will. She's a survivor, who had some street sense and a survivor's instincts. People always try to disrespect black women on top which is why Diana couldn't be a cream puff. Like Serena Williams her achievements deserve respect. They hate us because they ain't us. Other bw be mad hating too. Shout out to Barry who built an empire. The haters can die. We need that kind of energy today coming out of the urban jungles.
Youre reaching.....
Aretha Franklin's father, the Rev. C.L. Franklin, would not allow Aretha to sign with Motown when she first started to sing secular music because he knew Berry Gordy's reputation as a "shyster" when it came to money.
Meanwhile Rev Franklin impregnating under age girls.
Yes and you will never have 2 ‘Shysters’(shady characters) able to do business because they will both trying to steal whatever they can. Which is why Aretha’s father died the way he did!
Berry Gordy probably was modern day Puff Daddy
This is a very true interesting story of the Greatest Music Ledgend Royalty Iconic History of Motown 🌹🎶🌹
Thanks Bunches for Post
Very Informative
RIP Florence Blondie Ballard 🕊️❤️❤️
Missing Ya Both
Mary Wilson 🕊️❤️❤️
Fake news about my Diana Ross!!❤🎉😊
We already know diana no good
She was an egotistical brat. Thought she was better than everyone else and still does. A lot of people wrote her off because of her behavior.
@@lawrenceanderson7326 i agree with you
Gerald Posner Is A Gift
As people say diana ross was not nice to the girls or whatever..but am not trying to be nice am trying to get to the top...as she did..diana had that voice...
I remember when I was a kid in the 80s we all thought these things were old arguments from the 1960s that we were 10-20 years past and most people felt like the people who still cared should let it go. That was 30-40 years ago.
Some of this, if not all of sounds like it was true! I'm a singer, who never made it big! I was inspired by Motown, and other singers and record companies! But Motown to my understanding, had a dark side! Berry Gordy, made stars out of people. But to my understanding, he wasn't a nice boss/ supervisor to work under. I wanted to be at Motown! Maybe it's good that I never did! Maybe another record company and supervisor would have. And still may be better for me! Now Motown and berry Gordy did a good thing. They got good music started by black people during the Civl Rights Movement. And they crossed over real good. Nobody tried to stop them. Many white people seemed to like them. Maybe the KKK even like their music. But not their race! Motown made history in music and life. Not just here in the United States, but around the entire world 🌏🌎🌍!
I wonder which women Matt was accosting at this point...
Lol
@@sylvesterwest5991
Never a truer statement hath been said....
Ask Weinstein and Epstein lmao
Flo was the supremes ❤💙🎄
Yeah from the background...
Flo was the real star. She carried the group. Diana knew this.
So Diana she slept with the boss Berry and had his baby.
And then you woke up!😂😂😂😂😂
@@lisablack8804 This is old old news
@@lisablack8804 that is old news
Ross has always come over as nasty even if she has some of the great songs
I hate when they call Motown blak music, when we created 99% of the popular music in the US, so all music is blak!
No you didnt. This is a massive lie. The first popular music was classical for hundreds of years, like Opera and orchestral music.. Then in the 18th century the orchestras evolved into big band with or without vocalists, which black people appropriated and called Jazz. The Jazz genre focused on improvisation, because most of the black musicians didnt read and write music, and many were illiterate in the early days.
Various forms of western folk music existed in Europe and the US for hundreds of years, The black blues was derivative of western folk music. So called black music uses the same song structure and time as existing western folk music, Songs constructed in AABA, usually in 4/4 time. This is a very western thing.
The first black artists were produced and mentored by white record producers and musicians.
You can listen to the earliest African music from Africa, and their music is completely different. Mostly repetitive drum rythyms, with vocal harmonies, in very odd time formats. Of course Africans had no understanding of chords, or timing, or any theory. They didnt have pianos, brass instruments, or really any instruments except drums.
Theres nothing out of Africa that comes close to western music. Blues was the black version of existing folk music using very similar song structures, which makes sense given the influence of white record producers who packaged songs in that format to sell to a mostly white audience.
There were other western genres I omitted, like Christian popular music sung in churches around the world for hundreds of years. Many of them are still sung in churches today.
@@tubester4567 Here we go. Another jealous HATER who has to resort to lying his behind off because he realized that blak Americans are too great and trump whyte supremacy while being under it's boot and it's primary target! THAT is why we are so great.
Now you want a want fake whyte source for blues. Whyte folk music - as heard in the 50's and 60's, damned sure is nothing blaks would have made and was nothing that blaks got influenced by! LOL. Whytes have no reason to sing any blues - only the oppressed did.
Beethoven and Amadeus were blak dudes by the way. I am not sure why you brought up Africa, but I agree with you on that part - since we are NOT African, which is why Africans can't do what we do! If we were Africans, there would be tons of African Al Greens, David Ruffins, R. Kelly's, etc.
Now... Compare that to whyte Americans and British and a few other European artists. Note the similarities in abilities, although we could easily argue that the British do it better because they studied from the source - blak Americans!
ya hear all these various stories about diana ross, but you gotta remember when youre a super star talent and so highly driven you have to be ruthless selfish and single minded at times. maybe in person she isnt the nicest person youve ever met in your life, but the other truth is- shes incredibly special and we still love her anyway, same goes for all number of big stars.
Mary Wells told Berry Gordy that Ms. Ross tried to run her over with her car as she was crossing the street.
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NO, Mary Wells did not!!That was Gladys Horton of the Marvelettes, walking a blind kid across the street. Mary Wells always liked Diana.
@@tonyrussi7777their relationship soured in 1964 when Berry started using her earnings to promote The Supremes.
@@cdubz265 not true at all. I knew Mary PERSONALLY since 1962. Sam Cooke is the first one that told her she was not being compensated properly by Motown then she was egged on to leave by Herman Griffin and Robert West.The Supremes records did not get major promotion until Mary Wells left the company.Mary did not renew her contract in May 1964...Motown kept her tied up in court until Sept. 1964.
@@tonyrussi7777 oh ok, I was going by from what documentaries that I’ve seen over the years where it was implied that she did put the blame on BG promoting The Supremes with her earnings.
This same stuff happens in small bands in every city.
Plz stop turning black Artist against each other infact they all where a family unite they love 💗 and support each other do well you don’t see that with black stars 🌟 off today !!!! Plz get black people to talk on Motown who where their !!!!!!!
Shut up kid go wash my car
@@northwest4853 get your mamma to do it !
She busy doing important white people shit, you do it goofy
They do not love each other. Grow up. Marvin hated that bitch Diana. They dealt with each other because it was just business.
Many of the black Motown artists from the 60's have given interviews over the years about what it was really like to be a part of the Motown Family. Some artists were indeed treated better than others. Check out the interviews of Mary Wilson, Gladys Knight, Smokey Robinson, Ashford and Simpson to name a few. They were all part of the Motown family "from the 60s" and the story they tell is that not everybody got along. The business was dog-eat-dog back then.
Diana got pregnant by Berry when she was engaged to her first husband.
Ms Ross not nice? I'm shocked!
💩id
Read up on it! There’s plenty of stories out there of her being evil like stealing the other female acts wardrobe and wearing it on the show leaving them with nothing to getting Flo(the founding member of the Supremes) kicked out of her own group! Diane is a wicked witch
@@tggt2939 You just told a bunch of lies...Patti LaBelle is a liar....everytine she tells that story it changes. Flo got drunk gained weight and couldn't fit the gowns showed up late and cussed out the boss...that's how you get fired.
@@Maatization Excuse me???? Lies NOT! All facts!!! If what I said was all lies explain all the other female acts of that time with similar stories about Miss Ross stealing their dresses and being a complete b! Gladys Knight, Martha and the Vandellas, even her own bandmate Mary Wilson! And The list goes on. Coincidence I think not!
I really do not get the Diana hate at all. The SORING FAME of the Supremes.. was absolutely ALL BECAUSE it was Diana Ross that the public fell in love with. Diana had NO CONTROL over that. Her light was just brighter, she had that “IT” factor…, just like Michael was the star of the Jackson five. Mary, Flo, Barry etc… should ALL BE THANKFUL TO DIANA.. because she was the Supremes!!!
After Diana left, she was not responsible for the careers of the other Supremes .. Diana is not in any way the reason their careers were basically non-existent after Diana’s departure.
It was because of the Jealousy Mary had for Diana that the 2000 tour did not take place… she said she wanted equal treatment and the whole thing fell apart.. that is not Diana’s fault … the truth is… Mary and Flo had not had any type of successful music career in over 25 years after Diana left the Supremes… but Diana … had been a megastar the whole time .. constantly selling out concerts for decades after her departure… so I’m sorry Mary.., but when it comes to business.., you were not equal… no where remotely equal to what Diana was bringing to the table.
Also .., it was the girls jealousy and hate for Diana that was the strain on their friendship and relationship. For real… if you had friends always putting you down and hating on you.., you would not want that negativity either.., so I don’t blame Ms. Ross… she always kept it private and classy… and just left the whole situation alone… she did not ABANDON THEM.. she moved on… that is not the same thing!!
Diana left the group with 10 number one hits, and superstardom… now the remaining members could not capitalize off of that mega exposure… are you all really gone blame Diana for that??
The Diana hate is really unfair and wrong… those great opportunities.., and the great ride they all had in the Supremes… was because of DIANA ROSS … PERIOD!!!!!
All the stories from other celebrities from other groups ain't lying on her.
And you are absolutely CORRECT.
It was not Florence Ballard, but Cindy Birdsong, her replacement.
@@juanitagartley937 Those other artists were all sleeping with each other and backstabbing one another. The book sounds like a disappointment since its not covering other artists. What about Kim Weston, Stevie Wonder & Carolyn Crawford? All of them were underage artists who were forced into touring with adult acts? Zero nothing written. Bet they will start backbiting Stevie Wonder.
Why does it always it have to be hate? Do we hate on her? No it's just that you say this same old thing knowing dang well it's not true everyone knows their more icing on the cake.
Who read the book????
I read all of the books that the artists written…oooh child Diane was not who she claimed to be.😡
I believe every word printed in his book...especially the ones about Diane.
@K.N. Carter: Try reading Eddie and Brian Holland's "Come And Get These Memories" (2019 book). You may be interested know what Brian Holland says about her......
@K.N. Carter: In other words, you may be interested to know how he describes her...after you've heard what the haters have said!
Oh shut up
What does he say about her? Inquiring minds want to know. 😊
I don't, because Posner is an author that propagandists call upon to write books of propaganda..
Gordy was the 60s Diddy
I Lovemotown
I'm late but talk about Elvis or Brittany spears or charlie sheen???? Didn't Elvis do it too. Slow yo roll
I don't blame Diana for not wanting to be around the marijuana smell, pregnant or not.
This guy is fulla crap. He just took info from other books and expanded on them, plus added lies for sensationalism.
Hes the guy who did the book cas closed on Lee Harvey Oswald that was crap too.
ALL what Posner says is ALL TRUE...the Detroit Court records DON'T LIE!!! and the old Motown artists was not lying on Berry Gordy either...that poor company NEVER reached it's FULL potential, even with all the success.
@Mystic Ahkenaton: I think the company did meet it's full potential...Motown Records is the only independent, black-owned record company in history (there are no others). He took young, talented black men and women on tours (theaters) in the South; (Motortown Revues ) because racism and segregation stopped them from appearing in other venues (white). Their tour buses were shot at by racist townspeople; they couldn't get gasoline at certain stations; they don't serve "niggers." And now you are going to tell me Berry Gordy, Jr.'s Motown Records didn't meet its potential? You are going to let a white man (Russian at that) validate our brother Berry's success? Did you know white stations didn't play early Motown records on its stations in some cities? Motown hung in there DESPITE all of this. Your name "Mystic Ahkenaton" is too deep for you...you don't know black history?
@@michellekirkendall818 Motown might’ve been the longest running or most successful independent black owned record company, but it definitely wasn’t the only one in history. It wasn’t even the only one to come out of Detroit actually.
There have been numerous black owned labels before and after Motown.
@@michellekirkendall818 When you dig deeper, you will find the usual whyte, small hat investors...
@@HardCold-Alquan No matter what, I am going to give props to black folk...."Pops" and Bertha Gordy....son, Berry Gordy, Jr, one of nine children; for giving us five labels; talent on all of them. All from one city. Eddie Holland describes it as a "club." In Detroit, Motown is where you hung out, and made music. It was the greatest thing happening in a small town like Detroit. There was diversity, actually to begin with, but there was still the great artists UPFRONT. The songs are masterpieces; greater with the passage of time. I am going to give Brother Gordy THE CREDIT.
@@HardCold-Alquan UPFRONT? What do I mean? Undeniably, you heard young black people singing wonderfully; no matter who you think was behind the scenes.
We know Ross from the Projects.
@Rosetta Bosley: And a lot of her neighbors STAYED until they tore them down...folks, you all will not, and cannot break the 62 year career of Miss Diana Ross...give it up, ya'll...now go play the groups 12 #1's; even play some of their very early Motown singles....they're great to hear!
Wow did you ever talk to her or her family?
@@wmpetroff2307 yes I did me and her sister went to school together and we were neighbors.
@@rosettabosley5562 My Aunt Martha worked many years as an accountant at Hudson Department Store downtown Detroit, Michigan. Aunt Martha says Hudson's was really high class. Her office people were so proud of The Supremes success at that time. She 'thinks' Diana Ross worked in the cafeteria.
So was Gladys Horton who was also a drug addict. She was pulled down the way people like to see black female stars. They celebrated Whitney Houston's fall from grace. People in the industry are so damned, nasty especially, towards BW superstars. Proud of Annie Mae Bullock too a.k.a. Tina Turner who did it w/o drugs or alcohol.
Diana was focused, driven and had big elbows.
Can't hear it.
you have to take Posner with a grain of salt
They are wrong about all the artist white washing stuff. I've heard some of this before and read about some of this before in some of the books the artist have written. There are also documentaries.
I mean Gordon wanted to have all his BLACK artist, appease a white audience. Need to blame him.
Dianna Carol from Density 1980's television#
What in the name of love are u talking about? Who is Dianna Carroll & what show is Density?🤔🙀🤬
Could u be talking about Diahann Carroll/Dynasty? U are as far from that as the east is from the west. Please get ur facts straight.
Diahann Carroll made an album for Motown in the late 60s.
Some. Of. The. People. Who. Dont. Like. Diana. Ross. Were. Jealous. Of. Her. Period😊
The hate on this thread is sickening
There are a lot of truths and a LOT OF LIES in this garbage.
who's surprised??
Nasty Diana No as song by MJ .
Dirty Diana 😂😂😂 Mike felt some type of way.😂😂😂
Exploitation is the name of the game.
El creepo Matt lauer
not really news ... and i don't think Diana Ross is gonna get a Christmas card from Gladys Knight anytime soon
And if I was Diana Ross I wouldn't care
😴💤💤 well we know who read Mary Wilson book and other He sounds like a copy 😺 meow meow meow meow
Show business, politics, big money careers like Wall Street, all have ugly underbellys.
Mary wilson i find i saw was mean
Was not my experience the night I met her in person at Studio One's Backlot room where she was celebrating her birthday. I thought Ms. Wilson was Mary Wells as the bartender told me they were having a birthday bash for "Mary Wells" so she could've been mean when I started talking to her as if she was Mary Wells.. She wasn't ruffled at all and was very sweet about my mistake. She just said "Oh no, honey, I'm not Mary Wells, I'm Mary Wilson but Mary Wells is a good friend of mine." She was also drop dead gorgeous at that time.
@@FriendofDorothy THANKS FOR TELLIN ME. YES SHE WAS GORGIIOUS EVEN AT 42 HERE LEGS WERE OF 18 YEAR OLD GIRL. HER RUDE NESS WITH ME I BELIEVE IT HAD TO DO WITH FREIND WHO WAS GROOPY. THERE ONES ALLWAYS THERE. IM NOT NUT GROOPY. HE IS BLACK IM WHITE. THE ONLY TIME HE DID NOT CALL ME TO TAKE BUS WITH HIM IN SAUGUS MASS. SO I WENT WITH MY SISTER AND BROTHER IN LAW. I DID NOT KNOW HE WAS GOING HE NEVER CALLED OR TOLD ME HE GOT TABLE. HE CERTIANLY KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING SITTEN ALONE. . I WAS SURPRISE I WOULD ASK HIM TO COME LONG. HE HAD TABLE ALL BY HIMSELF. NEXT TO OURS. I SAID WOULD YOU LIKE SIT NEAR ME. REESE? NO I RATHER SIT ALONE. OK. . KIND NERD GUY ANYWAYS A LONER. NOTHEN WRONG WITH THAT. ...BUT I FORGOT HE WORKED FOR PBS WERE MARY DONE SOME SHOWS. SO WHEN SHE CAME OUT SHE SANG TO HIM HUG HIM SAT WITH HIM. ALL LONG SHES LOOKEN AT ME SAYEN HOW DO YOU LIKE IT. WHITE BOY.... SHE WAS REALIN NAILIN IT IN. ....I FELT HER INSACURE BABY BOOMER CRAP THAT THERE NEVER SATISFIED. GETINN BACK FOR SOUTH TOURS...IN SIXTIES. ... I JUST SAT THERE IN SHOCK. I WAS DRESSED UP BUT I SAW HER WAYS IN VIDEOS SHE HAD LOT REZEMENTS ANOTHER ONE GREW REZEZRNTMENT WAS LAST TWO MARVELETTES NOT GLADYS HORTON. I REALIZE SHE KNEW REESE. AND HE HAS ANOTHER HANG UP ON RACE. WHEN HE TOLD ME CERTAIN KIND PREJIDICE. THERES ONLY ONE. HATE OR LOVE. TODAY I WOULD SAID SOMETHIN. I WOULD TOLD HER MARY YOU BEEN ALL OVER WORLD. SAW KINGS AND QUEENS WHO ARE SPYCHO PATHS. BEEN IN CLASS. YOU REPERZENTED SOUND OF AMERICA. THEN BE IT. NOT BACK WERE YOU CAME FROM....THIS WHY GORDY HAD CHARM CLASSES. THEY CAME FROM PROJECTS. ..NOT. SAYEN SOME HAVE DIFICULT LIFE PLAN. I KNEW WHAT SHE DID I NEVER WAS ABLE TO SEE HER AGAIN. AFTER THAT WHO CARES. IF IT WASNT. FOR DIANA DRIVE NONE THEM WOULD BEEN WERE THERE NOW. GORDY I DONT APROVE HIM ETHIER IN SOME THINGS BUT HE SAID TO MARY. IF IT WASNT FOR DIANIA YOU WOULD NOT BEEN THERE. AND HES RIGHT ITS CORUPTED.... DIANE HAD TO GET THREW SEXPAIDES THREW ROBINSON MIRCLES AND HOLLAND DOZIER.TO GET SONG PRODUCE. THEN TO BERRY TO GET NOTICE. I HAVE TO GIVE HER CREDIT. SHE OWES LOT TO HER. BUT THAT INCIDENT LEFT ME ILL.....THAT ALL BAD WOUNDS THEY GOT TOLD PROGRAMMED BACK IN BY CABOL WAS THROWN AT ME. I FRANKLY HAD NOTHEN TO DO WITH IT.... SHE HAD WHITE PEOPLE ALL OVER WORLD. SHE DID THAT TO ME SHE NEVER CAME TO ANY OF TABLES..... WHAT HELL WAS SHE TRYEN PROVE..... WE ALL BOUGHT SAME TICKET. DIVIDE AND CONQUER. SHE STILL HAD HATETRED NEVER ENOUGH CAN SATISFY HER. DIANE WAS RIGHT. IT WAS MEAN. AND THAT FREIND WAS MUCH FREIND. BEFORE THAT MY FAMILY DROVE REESE TO STOP. BUT THAT NIGHT .I TOTALLY DIDNT LOOK BACK.
I can’t decide if Posner looks weird or completely adorable .
EXTREMELY WEIRD IN DEED.
YOU FIND HIM "ADORABLE"
BECAUSE MAYBE YOU KNOW
HIM PERSONALY, NOW, THE
BOOK IS ANOTHER THING,
I WANNA HAVE IT SO BAD,🙈🙉🙊.
Very weird
Duh!!
No shit. LOL