The BIZARRE DRAMA Between the 1987 St. Louis Cardinals NFL & MLB Teams
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- Опубліковано 21 лют 2022
- In 1987, while the NFL St. Louis Cardinals and their scab players were preparing for a game against the Washington Redskins, one player on the MLB St. Louis Cardinals, Jack Clark, was furious, to the point where he legitimately threaten to kill/severely injure the scab players and send them back to where they came from. It was a bizarre controversy that, when you break it down, doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. This is the story behind the bizarre drama between both the football Cardinals and the baseball Cardinals
NOTE: Not sure why, but the sound briefly cut out for a second at 4:34. The sentence was supposed to say “this race was getting close,” but it cut out after two words
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Members of the 1987 Cardinals (NFL):
Sammy Garza
Greg Horne
Jim Gallery
Mark Royals
Greg Cater
Neil Lomax
Jason Staurovsky
Al Del Greco
Cliff Stoudt
Shawn Halloran
Travis Curtis
Dwayne Anderson
Mark Jackson
Terrence Anthony
Ed Scott
Ron Wolfley
Ken Sims
Tony Mayes
Gregg Johnson
Johnny Holloway
Stump Mitchell
Earl Ferrell
Derrick McAdoo
Vai Sikahema
Mark Mathis
Broderick Sargent
Don Goodman
Carl Carter
John Preston
Lonnie Young
Leonard Smith
Tim McDonald
Cedric Mack
Charles Wright
Ilia Jarostchuk
Tony Buford
Mike Ruether
Keith Radecic
Jimmie Carter
Charles Baker
Wayne Davis
EJ Junior
Anthony Bell
Jeff Paine
Pete Noga
Niko Noga
Terence Mack
Phil Forney
Steve Alvord
Lance Smith
Ray Brown
Tootie Robbins
Todd Peat
Joe Bock
David Galloway
Tom Welter
Luis Sharpe
Ron Pasquale
Charles Vatterott
Mike Morris
Colin Scotts
Victor Burnett
Victor Perry
Derek Kennard
Joe Bostic
Rod Saddler
Anthony Burke
Mark Duda
Gene Chilton
Curtis Greer
Mark Garalczyk
Freddie Joe Nunn
Ron Bohm
Gary Dulin
Bob Clasby
Bob Keseday
Robert Awalt
Roy Green
Don Holmes
Ron Brown
JT Smith
Jay Novacek
Clarence Collins
Adrian McBride
Troy Johnson
William Harris
Gene Stallings (head coach)
Members of the 1987 Cardinals (MLB):
Skeeter Barnes
Rod Booker
Jack Clark
Vince Coleman
Tim Conroy
Danny Cox
Bill Dawley
Ken Dayley
Doug DeCinces
Dan Driessen
Curt Ford
Bob Forsch
David Green
Tom Herr
Ricky Horton
Lance Johnson
Mike Laga
Steve Lake
Tito Landrum
Dave LaPoint
Tom Lawless
Jim Lindeman
Joe Magrane
Greg Mathews
Willie McGee
John Morris
Randy O’Neal
Jose Oquendo
Tom Pagnozzi
Tony Pena
Terry Pendleton
Pat Perry
Steve Peters
Ozzie Smith
Ray Soff
Scott Terry
John Tudor
Lee Tunnell
Todd Worrell
Whitey Herzog (manager) - Спорт
Love the WWF cameo in the newspaper clipping partially showing a prototype match to the Royal Rumble match which debut in January 1988.
Looks like it was only a 12 man Royal Rumble
@@travismiller4320 True, but you got Paul Orndorff and Rick Rude in it, and they were fresh into a feud after Rude's debut. Would have been worth admission price.
You beat me to it lol
@@travismiller4320 It was probably one of those matches done as a test to see if the Royal Rumble concept would be accepted by the fans in that house show. Seems to have worked, too.
For what it is worth, the first Royal Rumble in January 1988 was with 20 men and was on cable. The Royal Rumble didn't become a PPV and increase to 30 until 1989. Also, before it officially became the Royal Rumble, it was sometimes called a Rumble Royal.
I would pay to see rude vs orndorff, I'm saying Rude won with help from Heenan!!!
Who gets upset? The people who work concessions just to get by. The owners and staff of restaurants and bars that surround the arenas. The parking attendants. The stadium maintenance staff. Literally everyone.
And Yugoslavians, don't forget about them!
Wtf would they care huh?
I’m not upset…😤🤬😭, although I would feel better about the situation if I had a huge pile of 💵💰💴 to lay down on too…that being said, I sure hope ESPN has an option to renew their contract with the KBO 🇰🇷 🙏🏼…can’t go on without my ⚾️ fix.
ah yes, I remember the '87 strike well! Washington wins their second Super Bowl (the first one also coming during a strike-shortened season in 1982) completely random unrelated side note: the WWF newspaper ad at 10:02 features the first ever test run of the Royal Rumble, which was won by the One Man Gang
Yeah, good thing the Vikings crushed the 49ers, and, subsequently, forgot, how, to catch.
Glad I wasn't only one who caught that, didn't realize it was the very first though, although makes sense with the verbiage in the ad. Also..on another unrelated note.....some guy named Ric Rude was on that card apparently. No word on if he was related to Rick Rude or not......lol.
@ajk Relationships, are, very confusing.
He looked an awful lot like Bam Bam Bigalo
@@williamrogers7974 Numerous things greatly explained.
Can you please do a Mets/Jets dispute over the years at Shea stadium? Also in 1975, Shea stadium hosted both My baseball and football teams.
Yankees, Mets, Jets, Giants all used Shea in 1975. Yankee Stadium was in the middle of a renovation.
I totally agree that there should be a video about both NY baseball teams AND both NY NFL teams sharing the same stadium. I didn’t know about it, and so that is a great video suggestion.
@@AdamJ617 I'd certainly be interested in knowing on how the schedules were formed that year...especially on Sundays during baseball season.
I imagine things happened at yankee stadium and the polo grounds too.
That would be an enjoyable video to watch for sure!
I'd like to see one re: the Buffalo Sabres and the former NBA Buffalo Braves (now the LA Clippers) who always argued over scheduling issues in the old Memorial Auditorium.
I remember people used to call the football Cards the Big Red to differ them from the baseball team. Being from the KC area I remember both the Big Red and the Chiefs were horrible most of the ‘80s. In fact when both teams faced one another depending on the home team one side of the state couldn’t watch the game. It wasn’t until the Chiefs faced the Rams in the mid 90s that the whole state could watch a game between its teams. Bush stadium while a good baseball stadium was horrible for football. Arrowhead was way ahead of it. The problem for fans in St. Louis, the Dome wasn’t all that much better.
The Dome was kinda shit I agree, but man do I have fond memories watching Rams games there
Haha, you said Bush stadium 😋🤣
The cookie-cutter stadiums were slightly better-suited for football than for baseball. The Dome was designed for football; structurally, there was never anything wrong with it. Football fans were too fussy, just like baseball fans who hate Tropicana Field.
@@davidlafleche1142Problem is the Dome was built in an awkward era when stadium designs were really improving. It was more similar to the RCA Dome, SilverDome and Metrodome that it was to newer domed stadiums such as Ford Field. The Alamodome had the same problem
Not surprised about Jack Clark he even wanted to fight Tony Gwynn when he was a Padres.
Yup.
Man I miss old Busch Stadium so much cooler looking than new Busch. Love the arches on the top of the stadium and the real arch just outside.
same here....such a great atmosphere in that place, and the turf looked awesome.
Imagine if the football Cardinals stayed in St. Louis instead of going to Arizona. The Rams should've stayed in Los Angeles instead of heading to STL.
That’s how it should of always been. St. Louis should still have there football team Baseball team and hockey team.
I’m old enough to remember Jack Clark. His personality rating would’ve been higher if he spiked his opinion into the ground on every single play.
He was the only guy to play in San Diego and somehow not get along with Tony Gwynn. The homer against the Dodgers in the NLCS tho….
Did you read about Jack Clark's bankruptcy in 1992? He owned a ridiculous number of cars.
"Willis" McGee. Lol. That's like calling Michael Jordan, Mickey Jordan or Tom Brady, Timothy Brady. Omg.
To quote Gary Coleman with somewhat different intonation, "Whatchyoo talkin' about, Willis?"
Some of his teammates called him that because he reminded them of Gary Coleman. He had the mumps one time and had chubby cheeks.
Jack Clark is best remembered for his series clinching HR in game 6 of the ‘85 NLCS against LA.
World Series, infamous, though.
@@matthewdaley746 Hall of Fame baseball voice Jack Buck said Swing and a long into left adios good bye and maybe that's a winner a 3 run homer and the cardinals lead by the score of 7-5 and they may go to the world series on that one folks
@@juliansmith1951 Alas, ultimately, unfortunate, outcome.
...and dropping the foul in game 6 of that WS.
@@alexsweet8585 The Cardinals quit psychologically.
I am not surprised that this story revolves around Jack Clark. He was a brilliant hitter,but he was also famous for his surly demeanour.
He wasn’t calls Jack the Ripper just for his home runs
1987 was sadly the last year for the football Cards in St. Louis, ultimately culminating in a $790 million lawsuit settlement in November. On the subject of historic teams, shout out to the Montreal Expos. Also, Yugoslavia.
I thought that settlement was for the St. LOUIS Rams
That settlement was for the Rams. St. Louis got nothing for the Cardinals except a mercenary team for 21 years.
@@hermmmc neither of those teams were native to St Louis.
@@TheSjuris Let's see, of the 8 major league sports teams that play in LA, exactly 3 of them started there as expansion teams, so LA has pretty much been the king of poaching teams. Also had the football Cardinals not moved in 1960 there would've been no football Cardinals, they were doing that poorly in Chicago. As it was the city built them a new stadium in 1966 only to have a greedy owner reject it less than 2 decades later.
@@hermmmc same owner as the one that foolishly moved the team to a baseball city. Have to remember the league never wanted to even have another football team in Shit Louis after the Cardinals left.
It was so long to the NFL Cardinals in St. Louis after all this drama. X( Pretty crazy story.
As a long time SF Giants fans I am not surprised with Jack Clark's asshattery.
How crazy is it that two of the biggest jerks in SF Giants history shared the same name and number?
Psshhh..like you got room to talk with Will Clark over there. One of the biggest D-bags in bb history and one of the Giants most beloved players. Between Clark, Bonds, Bonds Sr., Jeff Kent, and Leonard's douchey hr trot, it seems like it's a prerequisite for Giant's stars to be total A-holes.
Everyone hates scabs
@@JJGerrard1980 Jack Clark was always a big asshole. I don't remember Will be a giant a-hole. Jeff Kent is pretty big one, and Bonds is also. But there is no shortage of a-holes.
@@JJGerrard1980 Except for Mays, maybe
Football-only guy referring to the great Willie McGee as “Willis”. C’Mon man!
Love that WWF actually advertised a pose down hahaha
1980s WWF: We need to bring in more of the female audience!
2020s WWE: We need to bring in more of the transgender audience!
“Willis” McGee? Wha choo talking ‘bout?
Jack Clark was nuts. This story doesn’t surprise me in the least…
Considering he filed for bankruptcy while still an active player years later, it does not surprise me.
Steroids?
@@encycl07pedia- Excessive car collecting, if I remember correctly.
@@encycl07pedia- if I didn't know any better I would say CTE
@@bobma6342 He was a baseball player. I don't think CTE is much of an issue in baseball.
As some one whose family came from the former Yugoslavia, I love that my Twins beat his Cardinals in 87.
Metrodome certainly possessed influence.
I'm a Cards fan, but that was a great World Series.
@@tygrkhat4087 yeah it was.
the Twins are the most clutch pro team in MN by a country mile...
Yeah The Twins AND The Umpires beat the Cardinals!
I remember it well! There were several but the biggest Umpire FAIL came in the 6th inning of Gm 7 when Tommy Herr was picked off 1st base with one out & the score tied 2-2!
First Frank Viola balked! Then interference on Kent Hrbeck in the baseline blocking Herr from getting back to first! Last but not least Herr was clearly safe getting back! On top of that the Umpire couldn't see cause his vision was blocked so he just guessed! Tommy Herr should've been awarded 2nd base with only one out! May not have meant the game but it sure changed the momentum & strategy with 3 innings left to play (along with several other Umpire fails)! I'm not a sore loser, just hate to get cheated by officiating & then see a Twins fan gloat! I actually liked the Twins but they had help throughout that series! End of rant
You need to do the Jack Del Rio/Otis Taylor fight.
how did that happen?
I don't miss the headaches but seeing NFL games with a dirt infield was kinda cool and I miss that.
All but a memory now.
Yeah the only team that played horizontally across the baseball diamond was the last one to get a different stadium when the Raiders moved to Vegas.
‘Willis’ McGee? Come on man.
Probably had Willis McGahee on the brain.
Whatchu talkin ‘bout, Jaguar?
A nod to number 22 on 2-22-22.
10:00. Holy shit!!! Paul Orndorff vs Ric Rude!!! I can’t wait to see that match!
Hearing a baseball player complain about the NFL strike is seriously tone deaf. Anybody remember the 94 World Series?
Fun note, Jack Clark hit a homerun in every game I saw him play live. I really liked him as a player, but he could take batting practice at a lot of places in St. Louis. Hard for an entire football team to move practice no matter if they are real players or scabs for One guy to get 30 or so extra pitches of bp.
The, "fans," of Montreal would have you believe they would have, won, it, and, The, 1981, World Series, and, that they only don't have a team, for, those reasons, economics, indifference to baseball itself, don't bother us, with, your facts.
This was seven years before that 1994 strike that in retrospect HAD to happen or MLB would have been facing far worse consequences, including being potentially shut down by courts for the 1995 and '96 seasons if MLB had caved into the players because that would have likely meant the Pirates would have folded (they were that toxic financial-wise at the time) as Pennsylvania legislators likely use legal action to block MLB from operating at all until a solution was found that kept the Pirates afloat.
@@WaltGekko Yeah, no, the players could have chosen to be unselfish, and, did, not, they struck of their own accord, and, were, not, forced, but, they, conveniently, leave that part out.
Oh shit, 1987 happened before 1994??? You mean Hulk Hogan slammed Andre The Giant when he was already dead?
@@LeBaseballGuy What an awesome trick.
This is real cool. I remember taking a vacation trip with a friend in august of this year. Going to st. Louis and seeing the cards vs. Phillies and i think cards only won one in 3(4?) game series . First though went to KC and saw Royals Yankees,but i just really dont remember games,it was fun being there. Good video,good job on this,hey,i had no idea.
Duuuude the old WWF newspaper ads lol
this is great content!
So did the two teams really hate each other, as it said in the video description, or did Clark merely hate the football scab players?
It was just Clark.
@@Boogaboioringale And Jack Clark hated everybody.
The baseball Cardinals lost in the World Series to the Twins
That era of Cardinals baseball was bittersweet. On one hand, they were perhaps the best team in the National League in the 80's. On the other hand, they lost two World Series in three attempts.
@Kenneth Cline The 1980s, had three teams that, really, should have been, Dynasties, the, Cardinals, Mets, and, Athletics. The Cardinals, lost, Keith Hernandez, and, that just submarined them. The Mets, were, a victim of many things, The, Playoff Format, truly, stood out. The Athletics needed an earthquake, to, win, even, once, and, adding insult to injury, were, bookended by a Twins team that, would, win, the, World Series, in their only two Playoff appearances. The only, multiple, Champion, in, the 1980s, were, the Dodgers, and, Toronto, was, good, for, three years, but, would, win, two, straight, World Series.
1987 Worldseries my Minnesota Twins defeated that 1987 St.Louis Cardinals team
I can't imagine how confusing this would be lol. Like if the Steelers were still called the Pirates as well.
The, Pirates, made, "A, Deal, With, The, Devil," for, 1960, 1971, and, 1979, and, "The, Devil's," been, collecting, ever, since.
Or if the San Francisco Giants decided to stay in New York
Could have had two royals in kc at one time as well.
Or if the Brooklyn baseball Dodgers hadn't moved to LA and the football Brooklyn Dodgers were still in operation.
There were a ton of MLB/NFL crossover nicknames up until about the 1940's. The Cardinals were the last holdout.
Pro wrestling ad on news clipping reference makes it hilarious!
Haha, I found that ad pretty amusing as well
Twitter blue checks would have a field day with Jack Clark today.
What's that with the blur at 4:34?
Not sure. Someone else pointed that out and I don’t know why it happened because it wasn’t there when I exported. Was supposed to say “the race was really close”
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 I'll let it pass. This time. 😋
@@DolFan316 Such mercy.
What's the music in this video?
I remember Bidwell whining about just wanting a bigger stadium so the Cardinals could compete with other teams. He was such a cheapskate and terrible owner. He couldn't even fill Busch Memorial on a regular basis.
I lived in Tempe, AZ for 18 months … Phoenix is indeed a different city.
So is Irving, by quite a distance, but they still say the Cowboys are in Dallas.
Detroit Lions used to play their games at the Silverdome in Pontiac.
I remember seeing that Washington won the game despite (or because?) they didn't have a single NFL veteran cross the picket line while the Cardinals had some of their regular starters. There were roughly 27,000 fans at RFK Stadium and many of them were chanting, "Stay on strike! Stay on strike!" Of course, there was also the huge upset two weeks later on Monday Night Football when Washington upset a veteran-laden Cowboys team 13-7.
That was planned. Gibbs and skins knew there would be a strike and put together the best scab team possible. Won the s b too.
That team, was, a total fraud, they didn't play the, 13-2, 49ers, would miss the Playoffs, completely, the next two years, and, only, reached, the, SB, because, of, "The, Drop."
@steven bauer Only, because, everything broke right, the next two seasons proved what a total fraud they, were.
@@matthewdaley746 well if niners get to s b they whoop the broncos again. And what if nelson doesn't drop that pass? Then perenniel chokers the vikes and broncos play in the s b.
@@matthewdaley746 yep. A lot went right for '87 twins. That's for sure.
I'm sorry, but at (10:00), I can NOT stop focusing on and trying to read about the WWF wrestling match between Ric Rude and Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorf! I'm in need of Adderall...
Look at the rest of the card as well. Pretty good matches for that era. Bundy vs Steamboat, Orton vs Muraco(the original Rock), One Man Gang vs JYD, Bulldogs vs Demolition.
@@Rockhound6165 ~ Yeah man, good stuff!
Also no doubt seven year old Randy was there watching dad
A bit off topic, but I'm stuck by the similarity between Clarks stance and swing and Giancarlo Stanton's. Having seen Stanton swing in person and on TV at home, his swing seems so unorthodox, it's a surprise to find a comparable swing so many years earlier from Clark.
I loved Carl Yastrzemski's vicious uppercut swing, holding the bat way over his head, then swinging up. Unfortunately, Yastrzemski injured his left shoulder around 1970, and never had the same power after that.
The Ripper took Niedenfuer deep and that will be remembered forever
I am a Twins fan since I do live in Minnesota, but do you think the 87 WS would have bern different if Clark was available for that 4-3 Series loss by the Cardinals.
Unsure, but, I think the Mets would have stopped them, just, unquestionably.
I don't think it would have mattered because STL's pitching killed them in that series. When you're giving up 10, 8, and 11 runs in a World Series game Babe Ruth isn't going to save you.
@Rockhound6165 The Mets had a, better, offense, and, their pitching hadn't fallen off, yet, the Twins sure lucked out, no question.
@@matthewdaley746 If the Twins didn't have homefield the Mets or any N.L. team would've struggled at the Dome. The Twins didn't lose a W.S. home game in 87 or 91, however, they didn't win a single W.S. road game either.
@@silyrabittrxr4kids5 Yeah, but, the Cardinals, were, hitless wonders, with, virtually, no power, who relied, on, speed, and, adequate, pitching, the Mets took a team's heart, by, clobbering them, early, and/or, sticking around, late.
I'm a Red Sox fan. My last memory of Jack Clark was him stealing money and playing like crap in his last season.
yesssssss. He was a waste of a contract by then.
I just had a beer with Jack this past weekend. At my bosses in Central mo
And declared bankruptcy later.
As a Yankee fan I almost remember him playing for us…lol!!
Say what you want about Clark, but you can’t deny he was one of the a top power hitters of his playing time. Plus he didn’t need any juice to accomplish his numbers.
LOL, as soon as you said a Cardinals player was threatening to kill scab players, I said, must be Jack Clark. Hahaha
It was the last season that the football Cardinals played in St. Louis
10:00 perfect advertising placement in the newspaper clipping
The 12 man royal rumble and Mr. Wonderful vs Ravishing Rick Rude looked like a good WWF house Show card.
Willis McGee? WTH? How about John Montana? LOL -- My man you do a good job but, for the love of God, have a someone proofread your scripts. HOWEVERRRR....
Jack Clark: *angry xenophobic rant*
Gene Stallings: “I need to talk to your Manager.”
Jack Clark: “Ok Karen…”
Clark was the Karen, a big drama queen with an even bigger ego.
In 1987, the baseball St. Louis Cardinals went to the World Series, but lost to the Minnesota Twins in seven games. The football Cardinals had a disappointing season, and ended up moving to Arizona. From 1960-87,
St. Louis had both the baseball and football Cardinals; people called the
football Cardinals Big Red to differentiate it from the baseball team. Both
Cardinals used the original Busch Stadium (1960-65) and Busch Memorial
Stadium (1966-87).
Losing Keith Hernandez, indefensible.
It makes me even more disappointed that my Buccaneers blew a big lead to Big Red at Busch Memorial Stadium in '87. I wish I forgot that I watched that game.
@@marcus813 Disappointing, though, completely, unsurprising.
On a Different note, Look at that WWF flyer looks like a Saturday Nites Main Event card..
So, did Yugoslavia ever get its football players back?
I know this is a football/NFL channel but I was waiting for the mention of who the baseball-Cardinals faced & ultimately lost to in the World Series that year, but the mention never came. Had it been mentioned however, it would've been that they faced the Minnesota Twins in the Series, who ended up winning their very first championship in what was a great 7-game series! It's understandable though, considering the video was not about them or even really about baseball in general, just about a really good baseball player who got some bad luck at the absolute worst time he could've gotten it, and his inability to deal with it in a professional manner. Love these videos & I appreciate every one of them!
Great, for, terrible reasons.
The first World Series where the home team won every game. The second one was 4 years later and also involved the Twins in the Metrodome with the Homer Hankies.
The twins only won because they cheated...they turned the air vents in while the home team batted then turned off when the Cards were at bat .... I hated that dome laughed my butt off when the roof caved in with snow 😆😆😆😆😆
@@williamwilkinson381 - that's a joke right? You're not actually serious about that "cheating" aspect of your comment are you? That's a long time to hold onto your hatred for a building...
Willis McGee? Just one more thing. Jack Clark was good at first base and fit in well for that team. I would not state him as the 3rd MVP of that team. I would put Herr, Cox, and Pendleton over Clark in 87.
Great video. I was unaware of all this. And as a Mets fan, I really hated those ‘80s Cardinals teams.
Look at it this way, when they, stupidly, gave away Keith Hernandez, they, were, finished, winning.
@@matthewdaley746 they could have won in 1985 if Andujar didn't have a nervous breakdown on national television. Or if Don Denkinger had retired in 1984.
@F40PH-2CAT If Keith Hernandez, were, there, it, never, reaches, a, Game Seven, period.
@Rich ....boo hoo 😭
The mets are a 2nd rate team even their own city ... 😆
@@F40PH-2CAT ..they alao should have have win the series in 87 if the Twins didn't cheat by turning on the air vents in the Dome while the home team batted ...
Your old school videos are great. 👍
Love the wrestling card ad on that Stallings clipping
I went to a few WWF shows at the old Veterans Coliseum back in the mid to late 1980's. Some good and loud crowds!
That was the best part of the video 😁 Change my mind.
but,but, who won the pose down- Orndorff or Rude ?? (9:54)
I remember the Redskins vs Cardinals scab game. A WR for the Redskins set the game franchise record for receiving yards. Like 222 yards.
Anthony Allen I think he was. Thought it was more like 285yds and ranks amongst the highest receiving totals ever - but it was long time ago and haven't looked at the NFL Record and Fact book in years. Think Jerry Rice only just surpassed him with a 290yd game
@@hughgurney8686 yeah that is the guy. I did not bother looking it up when I first posted.
Stephone Paige had the single game mark in the 80s with 309 against the Chargers in the 85 finale before it was broken by Flipper Anderson (336) four seasons later--which still stands today
Megatron came close in 2013 but finished seven yards off. Rice's 289 yard game was in 95 on MNF against the Vikings
2:16 The good ole days.
9:56 Unrelated note, that's an ad for the first-ever Royal Rumble ever done; an experiment that was won by the One Man Gang. People in attendance said it was one of the worst things they ever saw, so the concept required additional tuning.
On topic, I find your channel quite fascinating. Keep up the good work.
OP, the Cardinals had WAY MORE than one week to go on September 9th in 1987.
PAUL ORNDORFF VS RICK RUDD!?! AWWWRIGHT!!!
Whitey Herzog’s Cardinals teams in the 1980s were incredible. 3 World Series appearances in 1982 beating the Brewers (I think?), 1985 losing to the Royals, and in 1987 losing to the Twins. All of this coming from a diehard Reds fan.
1982, was, the Brewers, Paul Molitor, and, Robin Yount, they, were, their best opponent, but, they lucked out, because, the, NLCS, was, best-of-five, against a fluky Braves team, and, they avoided, cross-country, travel in the World Series, with, home-field-advantage, and, Keith Hernandez, they got rid of him, played California teams, and, needed to go on the road, twice, Dynasty, thwarted.
The ironic thing was that all three of those series went seven games.
@@BrianRetro Yeah, and, the Pirates won, Game Seven, on the road in, 1979, in, 1982, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1991, 1997, 2001, 2002, and, 2011, the home team won, 2014, finally, ended the streak, indeed, a new one began, as, it, 2016, 2017, and, 2019, were, all won by the road team.
I remember that ‘87 strike. There was a lot of anger directed at the scabs, not just from Jack Clark. It got ugly at times. The scab games were crazy, a comedy of errors. There were pictures of Joe Montana in the papers, laughing and relaxing in the midst of the strike. Joe always knew how to keep his cool and wait for the drama to pass. I think the strike only lasted 4 games.
Correct. The first game after the strike was called was cancelled, then the next three were played with replacement players. IIRC, Washington was the only team that did not have a player break the picket line.
@@tygrkhat4087 They also won all three replacement games.
Except that Montana actually crossed the picket line along with several other Hall Of Famers. But I'm sure he did it in a cool way.
The final week was the greatest:
Steve Largent totally obliterated the Lions "scab-ondary" and would have had well over 300 yards if he had played the fourth quarter.
The rest of the Giants team was trying to get LT's autograph half an hour before their game against the Bills (that they lost 6-3)
And the above-mentioned Redskins upset of the Cowboys on MNF that over a decade later inspired The Replacements.
@@mgb4692 Again, IIRC, both Marv Levy and Bill Parcells said it was the worst game they were ever involved in.
JG9: “I refuse to acknowledge that Tempe and Phoenix are the same city.”
The Coyotes: [nervous sideways glances]
There was a reason why Jack Clark was nicknamed "the ripper"! After the automatic tarp rolled up on Vince Coleman's ankle in 1985, depriving the Cardinals of one of their best players in the World Series, the loss of Clark in '87 was hard to take.
Their best player, was, actually, Keith Hernandez, their, moronically, indefensible, decision cost them, one, Championship, for, sure, and, possibly, two.
Between JG9 and Jon Bois, plenty of interesting 87 strike stories on yt
I remember Jack Clark was kind of a hot head.
Early in the strike in Kansas City, LB Dino Hackett and TE Paul Coffman jokingly waved unloaded shotguns while proclaiming "We're looking for Scabs" as the replacement players arrived for practice.
They said it was in jest, but there were a number of ugly incidents with regular players hanging around the team facilities as replacements were being brought in.
Funny thing about it is Paul's son Chase ended up with the Seahawks at the end of the 2015 regular season, who with all their injuries could have been deemed a replacement team themselves.
Scabs are scabs.
NFL players literally had a picket line.
Imagine that today?
I mean Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton brought a combined 5 guns to their locker room...
?!?WILLIS!?! McGee - WRONG AGAIN, AS USUAL...
The were replacement players. Please refrain from using the highly inflammitory "s" word. That's very very offensive to many people.
miss the baseball/football stadium im wondering if jack ever said sorry
In 1975 Shea Stadium was a busy place they had the Mets Jets Yankees and Giants
The Giants actually played a couple of Saturday games that year on 10/25 & 11/1.
Whatcho talkin' 'bout with 'Willis'?
4:34; Uh, what happened there?
That’s a good question. Not sure why it cut out midway through cause it didn’t do that when I exported the file. Was supposed to say “this race was getting close”
Jack Clark was way out of line and thank goodness Gene Stallings checked him. Also, thanks for acknowledging that Tempe and Phoenix aren't one and the same, especially considering that the football club has never hosted a game in Phoenix despite using the city as its geographic identifier for its first few years in the Valley of the Sun.
Stop whining. The Giants and Jets play in NJ but still go by NY so while your town is getting dissed, my entire state is getting dissed.
@@Rockhound6165 That's "whining" to you? I only told the truth. Don't use your state's omission from the NYC-area NFL clubs' names as some excuse to come at me all crazy.
@@marcus813 it is whining because I can throw a rock from Tempe to Phoenix. There's little difference. Meanwhile I gotta drive an hour up the turnpike and cross a state line to get to NY.
@@Rockhound6165 The Meadowlands are closer to Midtown Manhattan than Tempe is to downtown Phoenix, so it's not that deep for you to come at me like the way you did and you're the one whining here, not me. All I did was state facts and nothing more and I said what I said, PERIODT.
Stallings checked and wrecked him, and should've decked him.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about a dispute about Memorial Stadium in Baltimore between the Colts and Orioles in 1970. I wonder how that would have been resolved if Jack Clark were on that Orioles team.
Jack Clark wasn’t playing in 1970. He was only 14 years old. 🤷🏻♂️🙄🤦🏻♂️
Like, the, 1988-1990, Oakland Athletics, they played three inferior teams, but, only, beat, the team that, was, the, best, and, all it took to secure the, victory, was, an earthquake.
@Mitchell Bassler 11 years old in 1966 when Orioles, won, their, first, World Series.
@@matthewdaley746 - Jack Clark was born in 1955. He would only have been 14 years old during the 1970 MLB season.
@@johnbrowntheprophet Whoops, responding to, earlier, post, seems I'm terrible at math, fixed that, for, you.
No need to say that Phoenix and Tempe are the sane place because as a Phoenician, we doing. Are they part of the “Phoenix metro area”? Yes. But Tempe is Tempe and not Phoenix.
Off topic, but the original Astro Turf was the worst thing ever to happen to sports. Just a carpet in many sections sewn together waiting to burst a seam and end a career. Not to mention the 'cushion' under the green stuff deteriorated over time and the players were essentially playing on asphalt. Yeah, that had to be fun.
A pose down between Rick Rude and Paul Orndorff. Now thats gonna put some butts in seats.
Orndorff had just turned babyface again because...Bobby Heenan said that Rick Rude had a better body than he did. After that legendary turn and run against Hulk Hogan throughout 1986, what a horrible, anticlimactic way to make Orndorff back into a good guy.
In today's world, absolutely.
MLB needs to see the opening of this video
I'm more interested in the fact that the WWF held a Royal Rumble before the official "first" one in 1988.
Yugoslavia just catching strays 🤣
Not a baseball Cardinals fan; however, Whitey was a class act throughout his baseball career and throughout his entire life. (In his younger days, he resembled the late actor Brian Keith, IMHO.)
Jack Clark's ego and intensity were his undoing. He was a terrific baseball talent with an astoundingly high baseball acumen and baseball IQ. But he had all the personality of sandpaper. And his innate selfishness was a turn-off wherever he played.
IMHO, Clark should've kept his nose out of the football Cards' business and simply vented privately to Whitey. That would've been the best way for Clark to deal with his frustrations.
Have you considered doing Baseball video ⚾️ 🧢
I knew it would be Clark before the video started.
You left out an important detail in this soap opera: The St. Louis Blues. I forget whether it was the GM, team president or someone else, but they were talking to someone on the New York Yankees, where Clark went next season. Whether this was just rumour mongering or trying to make the Cardinals worse to help the Blues' attendance, I don't know. But it might have affected the Yanks pursuing and signing Clark.
hmm, I wonder if this is relevant to anything happening today...
Refuse to acknowledge that Tempe and Phoenix are the same city! Definitely because they are not! 2 very distinct towns in AZ, and made sense for them to change their name to the AZ Cardinals after a few years.
Tempe probably sounded to close to Tampa
Yeah, but what about that pose down between Mr. Wonderful and Rick Rude?
IKR? OJG9 needs to do another video just on that!
Leading into Rude's posedown against the Warrior at the first PPV Rumble, rekindling their World Class feud.
But we got Brian Zane for that
Funny this video came out now, while MLB is in a work stoppage.
I have a hunch that this wasn't a coincidence.
Has any city ever had multiple teams with the same name?
New York Giants had both from 1925-1957, but also the Brooklyn Dodgers were in both from 1930-1943. The Brooklyn football eam was eventually merged into an AAFC team called the Yanks... and for a short time in the early '50's they had the Yanks and Yankees.
Neat little cultural artifact at 9:49 with the newspaper advertising the concept match for what would become the WWF Royal Rumble.
Pretty sure the Yugoslavia thing was a joke. See back in the 80s, in addition to football and baseball being played in the same stadiums, people also had a sense of humor even when they were pissed off.
Except that there's absolutely nothing about jack Clark in this video to even remotely suggest he has a sense of humor at all.
Maybe it was a wise self-censor instead of saying north or east st. Louis or worse. Also could have been the O line against the D line were you might see some -ski, - ich and -ak last names.
Can't believe two teams with the same name lmao what dumb idea!!
Just like two ny giants at one time.
Not an uncommon practice in the early NFL; someone already pointed out the New York Football/Baseball Giants, but you also had two Pittsburgh Pirates, two Brooklyn Dodgers, and two Boston Braves at some point.
The Chicago Cardinals moved to St. Louis in 1960 and kept their nickname. Apparently, the baseball Cards were OK with it.
I don't think it's that big of a deal. I seriously doubt Jack would've gone through with his threat. He was trying to get healthy with the season and a possible championship on the line. He was frustrated, any competitor would be. We've all said stupid things in the heat of the moment. Shoot, Jack might've even had a couple beers in him when he made the threat. Again, I don't think he ever really intended to go through with it.
The AFC Central teams were all roommates with an mlb team Cincinnati Bengals with Cincinnati Reds, Cleveland Browns with Cleveland Indians, Houston Oilers with Houston Astros and Pittsburgh Steelers with Pittsburgh Pirates
🤯 I never knew that..
All of those teams make sense, Two Ohio Team, and Pittsburgh is fair
But Houston? Who decide to put Houston in there.
Houston was the odd team in the 1966-69 AFL East, so they were shuttled to the new AFC Central along with the second expansion team the Bengals--the odd team in the 1968-69 West. With the Steelers and Browns coming over from the NFL, the Oilers were still the odd team (the only one in the CT zone) but they made it work.
Did they all get along? I know now the St. Louis teams didn’t.
At 2:39, did it sound like JG9 called Willie McGee "Willis"?
Like, many of his teammates, he would experience a sudden power surge in the 1982 Playoffs.
Yes, her did.
@@andrewmitchell1565 Power explosion, just, unquestionably.