This trumpeter is absolutely fantastic. A very nice performance, and one of the few performances with a natural trumpet available on youtube. A really enjoyable performance.
This is not a natural trumpet, a natural trumpet is "no holes", this one is called "néo barocco trumpet" and began to be used circa 1960s. If you want to hear real natural trumpet, listen to Jean-François Madeuf. Anyway, this piece is probably the ultimate difficulty for a trumpet player, and this man is far to be one of the worse :) :) nice job and sorry for my poor english :)
@@guybardet3357 'Looks like John Foster. Be careful when playing with words in a foreign language. I think that you mean, he's far from the worst; however, he's one of the best baroque trumpeters out there. Having said that, he isn't close to Madeuf or DiProse or Julian Zimmermann who play on natural trumpets. I highly recommend you do a search on Zimmermann's name and watch and hear him play on YT. Here's an example: ua-cam.com/video/7TBv46lImTk/v-deo.html. He's fantastic.
I agree that the trumpeter is great. However, he is not playing on a natural trumpet which has no vent holes. Very few trumpeters dare to play with a real natural trumpet. The trumpet on this recording is what some may call a "baroque trumpet". It is easier to play than a natural trumpet but still far more difficult than a modern trumpet.
@@philippep2710 Should look at Bremer Barockorchester's recording of Telemann Sonata in D TWV 44:1. Or Hervé Niquet's Fireworks Music at the 2012 Proms. A whole regiment of trumpeters. Well, nine actually, all playing one-handed in the currently approved style
JEG and English Baroque Soloists at the top of their game, wonderful, spirited and stylish playing. If Bach had been around, he would probably have been as uplifted as we all are hearing this!
Neil Brough, I salute you. That was truly astonishing. I know the extreme difficulty of that trumpet part, and wow, did you master it. Brilliant, quite quite brilliant.
All the soloist instruments can be clearly heard, which is very difficult in that concerto. The trumpet generally tends to extinguish the other instruments. It is not the case here.
This was how I discovered John Eliot Gardiner & the English Baroque Soloists, through this Proms concert or the bit of it that was televised any way. Incredible.
Wonderful concerto grosso by JS Bach. Ritornello theme is very apparent and the Affections in this piece expresses the prosperity and the contrapuntal genius of Bach himself.
They are all absolutely great, not only the trumpet player. About the conducting: it is also great, develops a spirit of grandiloquence. Trying to slow it may not be recommendable.
The trumpeter is playing a baroque trumpet which has holes to correct the off pitch notes. A natural trumpet does not have the holes. Nice playing, in any case!
Paul McCartney’s inspiration for Penny Lane ~Geoff Emerick~ I recently met a recording engineer who owns a piccolo trumpet. Maybe one day I will hear it played.
what are the names of each instruments? i cant figure out the guy with the brown clarinet looking one and the lady with the black recorder looking instrument
So I’m just curious and please pardon my ignorance, but could anybody explain the key? I thought this was composed in F major but the performance is closer to E major? Is it tuned to the natural trumpet perhaps?
Awful camera work, as usual. The first two times the trumpet plays one of those impossible solos, the camera was ignoring him completely.( at .45 and at .55) the closeup of the recorder soloist at about .50 ignored her hands and gave instead a meaningless shot of her face. Why are the camera folks so incompetent? Can we get a musician to be in charge of the camera angles? Better yet, can we just set the camera in one spot and leave it there forever?
I've seen this played on a little bitty trumpet (what I assume is a piccolo trumpet), a regular, trumpet a (believe it or not) cornet, and now what appears to be a baroque trumpet. Which is the one Bach wrote it for - the piccolo trumpet or the baroque?
To add to Rik77's comment: modern "valves" which enable a trumpet or other brass instruments to play all modern pitches were invented around 1825 give or take. Bach lived from 1685 to 1750. So in Bach's time, there were no valves, therefore he wrote for some type of natural or baroque trumpet.
Yes, Baroque Alto recorder. The concert is in F, although the "standard Baroque pitch" typically used nowadays for period instrument performances is A 415 so this actually sounds like modern E instead of F.
Jadranka T. I think that elfpix refers to the fact that in the baroque era there was no conductur Infact, tempo and indications were given (I may be wrong) by either the concert master (1st violin) or the harpsichord player
Gardiner doesn't even know what direction to give... its all going so well! I don't think he looks the trumpeter in the eye once in the first movement.
this orchestra is splendid and the clavecinist also the trumpet player is very good, just some small difficulties in the upper upper register (let's say "bach height")
Typical Gardiner: a scintillating performance from master musicians, but the fast movements are at his usual breakneck, play-as-fast-as-you-can tempi. Easy enough for him to look relaxed, while he puts his players through the paces. Could we slow down a little and give the trumpet player a break? What is gained in virtuosic display is lost in expressivity.
I agree. The English Baroque Soloists are really a world class orchestra and not only the trumpeter is amazing here. But this is really too fast. This is certainly a virtuosic and dynamic piece but some of the musical sense gets lost when hastening through the piece in such a tempo.
It's actually painful to think that Bach must have written so much more secular ensemble music of this standard that is woefully lost. His orchestral output suffered severely in terms of lost work. We rely so much on reconstructions. Even the famous violin and oboe concerto is reconstructed. Slight sense of "early closing time at the pub" ( or "too much coffee and brandy" ) about the outer tempi, and the slow movement gets a bit soporific, but much to enjoy also.
The trumpet part is almost impossible with piccolo trumpet, with baroque trumpet became of trascendental difficulty! I appreciate very much the courage of this trumpeter. A bit error is human! Anyway, I would not be in his shoes :)
Concert high G reached twice in the first movement...and many concert high F's. Note that this is played in baroque pitch of A=415 so it's about a half step lower. Nevertheless high enough to kill most trumpeters lol. ;-)
+Dominik Raosz this is a Baroque ensemble though. They are supposed to give Historically Accurate performances, so therefore, there should be no conductor.
+Covellechi Actually you're quite wrong, Bach would have probably conducted from the harpsichord or organ. The Brandenburg concertos were never performed in Bachs life time however, The composer usually conducts from a keyboard- same with Mozart and Beethoven, they too would have conducted from a fortepiano.
ever moore well that's true but then with different instruments available he might have written different music. Bach always takes the instruments to their extremes using the whole range. If he had modern instruments I suspect the music would push the modern instruments too.
Covellechi this is true in the sense that Bach (or other composers) would usually have "conducted" from an instrument. E.g. Bach would probably have conducted from the harpsichord or first violin, depending on the exact concert (*if* he ever actually performed these, which we do not know for sure). The thing to remember though is...Bach was the composer. So was e.g. Handel or Telemann. So, even if a modern conductor conducts from an instrument, let's say the harpsichord...it' still not "authentic" in the sense that they didn't write the music. In a sense it's more like "historically informed pretense"... ;-)
What specific part? Comparing it to multiple recordings, I don't see the supposed botch. The continuo's mayhaps a little soft, but I don't hear the specific issue. Perhaps you could point it out?
Na, alles n bisschen schnell und poliert...und: Gibt es keine Typ-Beratung in GB??? Niesemann mit Zopf, die Blockflötentante mit nem look aus den 50ern..... Tolll
I. Allegro moderato 0:00 - 4:43
II. Andante 4:45 - 9:00
III. Allegro assai 9:04 - 11:30
bless you soul!
I love you
The trumpet player is wonderful !!! Extremly difficult piece mastered almost perfectly !
And remember, this is a concert recording
This trumpeter is absolutely fantastic. A very nice performance, and one of the few performances with a natural trumpet available on youtube. A really enjoyable performance.
That's true. In fact, people doesn't know how difficult is to play that, even with normal trumpet.
This is not a natural trumpet, a natural trumpet is "no holes", this one is called "néo barocco trumpet" and began to be used circa 1960s. If you want to hear real natural trumpet, listen to Jean-François Madeuf. Anyway, this piece is probably the ultimate difficulty for a trumpet player, and this man is far to be one of the worse :) :) nice job and sorry for my poor english :)
Also remarkable : ua-cam.com/video/temdoF-4VHU/v-deo.html
@@guybardet3357 'Looks like John Foster. Be careful when playing with words in a foreign language. I think that you mean, he's far from the worst; however, he's one of the best baroque trumpeters out there. Having said that, he isn't close to Madeuf or DiProse or Julian Zimmermann who play on natural trumpets. I highly recommend you do a search on Zimmermann's name and watch and hear him play on YT. Here's an example: ua-cam.com/video/7TBv46lImTk/v-deo.html. He's fantastic.
This is hard enough on a picc trumpet let alone a natural baroque trumpet, that guy is amazing
I agree that the trumpeter is great. However, he is not playing on a natural trumpet which has no vent holes. Very few trumpeters dare to play with a real natural trumpet. The trumpet on this recording is what some may call a "baroque trumpet". It is easier to play than a natural trumpet but still far more difficult than a modern trumpet.
@@philippep2710 Here it is on real natural trumpet ua-cam.com/video/CEJ-xcblCMo/v-deo.html
@@philippep2710 I wondered that. The natural trumpet has at leas one vent though.
@@philippep2710 Should look at Bremer Barockorchester's recording of Telemann Sonata in D TWV 44:1.
Or Hervé Niquet's Fireworks Music at the 2012 Proms. A whole regiment of trumpeters. Well, nine actually, all playing one-handed in the currently approved style
@@manuelhe46 Don't think so. A natural trumpeter plays holding the trumpet with only one hand.
JEG and English Baroque Soloists at the top of their game, wonderful, spirited and stylish playing. If Bach had been around, he would probably have been as uplifted as we all are hearing this!
Am listening to the piece for a school assignment, and this is truly one of the best performances we've listened to all year
Every instrument probably leaps for joy when they know they will play Bach, because they all know will all solo sooner or later.
PointyTailofSatan Nice view
One of my fav early music vids - fantastic stuff ! Love the old skool instruments - beautiful sound!!!.....
What a tempo. And the trumpeter didn't miss a beat. Exceptional
He is the best conductor of baroque music - sir John Elliot Gardiner. His conduct never let me down
not only baroque. the best conductor ever
I like John conducting Beethoven!
Neil Brough, I salute you. That was truly astonishing. I know the extreme difficulty of that trumpet part, and wow, did you master it. Brilliant, quite quite brilliant.
Shockingly good. AMAZING trumpet player!
That's better than every kind of jazz session. It's just irresistible. Fantastic!!
Great to come across a comment on the jazz aspect of Bach’s music. I think Gardiner gets that!
The trumpet is the obvious hero of the piece.
Except in the middle movement!
bravissimo for trumpeter, amaizing, wish to study with him!
This is an amazing reading.
The conductor is so overjoyed that he's dancing to the music! I just love this piece!!
The best performance on a natural trumpet
Magnificent!! Thank you to all the musicians.... and wonderful Sir Gardiner..anything under his radiant baton turns to gold...sigh🌹🌹🌹🌹
Beautiful music of great virtuosity and remarkable skill. Great joy!
the best of performances ..
All the soloist instruments can be clearly heard, which is very difficult in that concerto. The trumpet generally tends to extinguish the other instruments. It is not the case here.
Wow, he is amazing! (From James his son)
This was how I discovered John Eliot Gardiner & the English Baroque Soloists, through this Proms concert or the bit of it that was televised any way. Incredible.
Trumpet: Neil Brough
Oboe: Michael Niesemann
Lead fiddle: Kati Debretzeni
Blockflöte:
Klavier:
anyone?
Recorder: Rachel Beckett
Klavier- Malcolm Proud
The trumpet player is Neil Brough.
So beautiful! Thanks for posting!
how about the dynamics. How would I describe it if I have to judge?
Wonderful concerto grosso by JS Bach. Ritornello theme is very apparent and the Affections in this piece expresses the prosperity and the contrapuntal genius of Bach himself.
This is an beautiful piece, I love it!!!
@trumpetpro It was shown during the interval of the evening concert on the BBC
Just wonderful
They are all absolutely great, not only the trumpet player. About the conducting: it is also great, develops a spirit of grandiloquence. Trying to slow it may not be recommendable.
Fantastic job by the trumpet player.
Amazing!
The trumpeter is playing a baroque trumpet which has holes to correct the off pitch notes. A natural trumpet does not have the holes. Nice playing, in any case!
うぁ～素晴らし過ぎます。
1:20-1:32 my favorite part
section 2 starts at 4:58-9:00
Was für eine Harmonie zwischen den Musikern!!!
Paul McCartney’s inspiration for Penny Lane ~Geoff Emerick~ I recently met a recording engineer who owns a piccolo trumpet. Maybe one day I will hear it played.
This was interrupted by a commercial for Star Trek Discovery?! This is sacrilege!
🤣
Unter jedem Video von Bach finde ich ohne Ausnahme einen Kommentar uebers sogenanntes exzessives Tempo.
Trumpet master
magistrale exécution,admiration profonde
Magnificent!
Beautiful!
this ended very abruptly
shouldn't it have a little flourish trill thing at the end?
Ich wusste gar nicht, dass Alfons Schubeck so gut die Barock Trompete spielt! :-)
what are the names of each instruments? i cant figure out the guy with the brown clarinet looking one and the lady with the black recorder looking instrument
The brown clarinet is an oboe and the black one is a recorder
Superb
une trompette de gloire
Heh, never try to play the beginning of the third movement on a Bb trumpet - it hurts
Yeah, those are concert F's above high concert C.
I have a short vid on my channel of my attempt. It sounds extremely bad... I've never tried to play it on a picc yet.
Sensational.
He's a beast
Bravo!!!
That trumpet player at 1:15 looks like my colleague, Keith Karmody
Paul McCartney was inspired by the trumpet solo and put a similar sounding one on "Penny Lane".
So I’m just curious and please pardon my ignorance, but could anybody explain the key? I thought this was composed in F major but the performance is closer to E major? Is it tuned to the natural trumpet perhaps?
I was wondering if that could be a part of this. Thanks for the reply!
Awful camera work, as usual. The first two times the trumpet plays one of those impossible solos, the camera was ignoring him completely.( at .45 and at .55) the closeup of the recorder soloist at about .50 ignored her hands and gave instead a meaningless shot of her face. Why are the camera folks so incompetent? Can we get a musician to be in charge of the camera angles? Better yet, can we just set the camera in one spot and leave it there forever?
Superb playing but, toooo fast
I've seen this played on a little bitty trumpet (what I assume is a piccolo trumpet), a regular, trumpet a (believe it or not) cornet, and now what appears to be a baroque trumpet. Which is the one Bach wrote it for - the piccolo trumpet or the baroque?
bckm54 the baroque one. Those small piccolo high trumpets didn't exist then.
Many thanks, Rik!
To add to Rik77's comment: modern "valves" which enable a trumpet or other brass instruments to play all modern pitches were invented around 1825 give or take. Bach lived from 1685 to 1750. So in Bach's time, there were no valves, therefore he wrote for some type of natural or baroque trumpet.
Shoutouts to my IB music students.
A mi solo me obligan a escucharlo para un examen de musica
If the group is using original instruments why is the trumpet using tone holes to tune? Not available in Bach's day.
Can someone confirm that the recorder is an alto recorder? thanks.
Yes, Baroque Alto recorder. The concert is in F, although the "standard Baroque pitch" typically used nowadays for period instrument performances is A 415 so this actually sounds like modern E instead of F.
Like quien vaya a pasar una noche sin dormir
Hey +Cheesehoven, who are the performers?
The only problem I see is that JEG is conducting. He should be playing continuo. Everything else is exactly right.
elfpix Why do you think so? I don't know about playing continuo, but his conducting skills are exellent.
He can't play anything well- that's his main problem! Frustrated violist of the worst kind 😊
Jadranka T.
I think that elfpix refers to the fact that in the baroque era there was no conductur
Infact, tempo and indications were given (I may be wrong) by either the concert master (1st violin) or the harpsichord player
I thought I should ask is that a clarinet the one guy is playing?
I think you mean the Oboe?
This sounds like it's in E and not F... or maybe my untrained ear fails me again?
Maybe it is because most baroque Orchestras are tuning with a 415 hz tone, which is slightly lower than the "normal" 440 hz concert pitch
Andreas ooh, that makes sense. Thank you for clearing that up
Gardiner doesn't even know what direction to give... its all going so well! I don't think he looks the trumpeter in the eye once in the first movement.
Is that a tenor recorder being played?
This guy used to do my lawn.
BACH? No, mate. He's brown bread. Has been for years, well, centuries, really.
playing like they're going to miss the last chopper out of Saigon
lmao, yeah it feels a bit rushed
this orchestra is splendid and the clavecinist also
the trumpet player is very good, just some small difficulties in the upper upper register (let's say "bach height")
....Bach hätte seine Freude gehabt...
9:03 amirite
Typical Gardiner: a scintillating performance from master musicians, but the fast movements are at his usual breakneck, play-as-fast-as-you-can tempi. Easy enough for him to look relaxed, while he puts his players through the paces. Could we slow down a little and give the trumpet player a break? What is gained in virtuosic display is lost in expressivity.
too fast for my liking...
I agree. The English Baroque Soloists are really a world class orchestra and not only the trumpeter is amazing here. But this is really too fast. This is certainly a virtuosic and dynamic piece but some of the musical sense gets lost when hastening through the piece in such a tempo.
The sound is unbalanced. The recorder and the oboe are drowned out by the trumpet.
It's actually painful to think that Bach must have written so much more secular ensemble music of this standard that is woefully lost. His orchestral output suffered severely in terms of lost work. We rely so much on reconstructions. Even the famous violin and oboe concerto is reconstructed. Slight sense of "early closing time at the pub" ( or "too much coffee and brandy" ) about the outer tempi, and the slow movement gets a bit soporific, but much to enjoy also.
too fast for my liking...and there are several mistakes contained, possibly because of the conductors direction....am not impressed
c'est très bien joué mais pourquoi jouer sur une trompette archaïque alors qu'il existe des trompettes piccolos bien meilleures
For any to be NOT pressed with this performance smacks of prejudice, perhaps?
The trumpet part is almost impossible with piccolo trumpet, with baroque trumpet became of trascendental difficulty! I appreciate very much the courage of this trumpeter. A bit error is human! Anyway, I would not be in his shoes :)
The 1st movement goes so high (not to say that the 3rd is not)! It that a high A on a Bb picc? I can barley mange that note at all on good days.
Concert high G reached twice in the first movement...and many concert high F's. Note that this is played in baroque pitch of A=415 so it's about a half step lower. Nevertheless high enough to kill most trumpeters lol. ;-)
If this were truly a "period" performance, there'd be no conductor.
Beautiful performance. But baroque orchestras should have no conductor.
+Dominik Raosz this is a Baroque ensemble though. They are supposed to give Historically Accurate performances, so therefore, there should be no conductor.
+Covellechi Actually you're quite wrong, Bach would have probably conducted from the harpsichord or organ. The Brandenburg concertos were never performed in Bachs life time however, The composer usually conducts from a keyboard- same with Mozart and Beethoven, they too would have conducted from a fortepiano.
ever moore well that's true but then with different instruments available he might have written different music. Bach always takes the instruments to their extremes using the whole range. If he had modern instruments I suspect the music would push the modern instruments too.
Covellechi this is true in the sense that Bach (or other composers) would usually have "conducted" from an instrument. E.g. Bach would probably have conducted from the harpsichord or first violin, depending on the exact concert (*if* he ever actually performed these, which we do not know for sure). The thing to remember though is...Bach was the composer. So was e.g. Handel or Telemann. So, even if a modern conductor conducts from an instrument, let's say the harpsichord...it' still not "authentic" in the sense that they didn't write the music. In a sense it's more like "historically informed pretense"... ;-)
Sobra Gardiner
You are not Europe and that can be heard. You just don't get it. This is not fast requiem. Where is the playfulness, where is the enjoyment?
Muy rápido. Prefiero a Harnoncourt y sus fraseos.
ridiculusly fast - is fastness all this man will be remembered for?
movement 2 beginning viola part botched
What specific part? Comparing it to multiple recordings, I don't see the supposed botch. The continuo's mayhaps a little soft, but I don't hear the specific issue. Perhaps you could point it out?
The viola doesn't play in the 2nd movement you idiot.
Lord Walter Stark the viola doesn't play in the 2nd movement you idiot!
Why is Gardiner dressed like North Korean dictators?
no
Na, alles n bisschen schnell und poliert...und: Gibt es keine Typ-Beratung in GB??? Niesemann mit Zopf, die Blockflötentante mit nem look aus den 50ern..... Tolll
Stupidly too fast.....
Not period instruments, the trumpet is a modern instrument with holes... He plays quite well but is not the real natural trumpet.
well genius, just post your recording with natural trumpet without hole.
OMG such a GENIUS! You can't play that piece without holes! Do you know something about trumpet or a natural trumpet and a fanfare trumpet????
Here is the third movement played on a natural trumpet without holes. ua-cam.com/video/CEJ-xcblCMo/v-deo.html It can be done.
MUCH too fast! Just because you can play it that fast doesn't mean you should.