Dirty Game from Yuan Licen against Alexis Lebrun! He Deserved the Red Card
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- Опубліковано 11 бер 2023
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As a football fan, I do not know how Yuan continued with a red card.
fr what's the point of the cards xD
I was also expecting a kick-off but I'm not sure how to place the wall
The card system is different in table tennis. The yellow card, just like in football, is a warning. The second step is a yellow card and a red card together (what Yuan received) and it awards a point to the opponent. In the third offense, the umpire shows again a yellow card and a red card together, but in this case two points are awarded to the opponent. Now, if after two penalty points have been awarded the misbehavior still continues, the umpire must call the referee, who will disqualify the player by showing a red card (alone).
@@sebastianruizrivera6896 Tq for explo
@@sebastianruizrivera6896 that is the most complicated card rules ever but cheers for explaining lol
Yuan gets into ready position by being at the table and leaning forward THEN he puts his hand up for literally no reason as Alexis is about to serve. This has nothing to do with Alexis' serving speed this is just one of the dumbest tactics by a player who knows he's not good enough to beat Alexis.
nope,,, you're wrong
you can see at 0:10, Yuan isn't ready but Alexis Leburn just starts on his own, not considering whether the opponent is ready or not. NOT A GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP
He is good enough to beat alexis trust my words you will see in future. Just look some of his matches in Chinese Super League
Fuck china
@@janhenke9256 lol ok booboo
@@user-ox1lq8lu3p Come on.. you can't possibly think that Lebrun tried in any way to be an ass here. By acting repetedly as hé did, Yuan discredited his ability to manifest any moment where he wasnt ready.
Refereeing can be a joke sometimes. They're super strict but inconsistent with calling a serve too low or hidden, but when such continous inentional provocation happens they're clueless.
Yuan went way over the line, showcased incredible unsportsmanship, disturbed ~10 serves but only got -1 point penalty. WTT should introduce more serious punishment for such actions, take -2 if he continues, after 5 take the match away...
What are you talking about so many pros server are illegal, they are acctualy very nice when it comes to serve. I think it was DiMA (not sure anymore if him or another pro) who said you don't do legal serves you play serves which the ref will not call out as illegal, because refs are ussualy not calling out serves.
@@XIplupIX yeah that's what he's talking about
only towards Chinese players. Probably scared her social credit score will be lowered.
@@Gusa911 xD
Or just make the referee decide when he can start the serve. Then there's no reason to be not ready
Imagine if Yuan worked as a cleaner, he would be working 24 hours every day, continuously sweeping a 100% clean floor.
Reading through the comments, I'm surprised he actually has a fan base to defend him.
@@theatog His fan base defend him on the principle of him being chinese. Nationalism and all that. It's huge with his fan base.
@@sleepyearth Chinamen doing Chinamen things.
So, he will work like a chinese 😂
@@sleepyearthNo Chinese will support him, look at the stand, it is empty, hw he only bring shame to the Chinese, and I'm Chinese.
Unreal patience by Lebrun
A top player should have such patience
No, literally no. Alexis' patience nor life span last enough for him to LOOK AT HIS OPPONENT and see if they're ready or not, he JUST SERVES to his heart content half the time
P.S. of course I might not see him waiting due to cuts, but then that's a question for the channel ig
He’s known to have the lowest patience in WTT games. Excellent player with one of the shortest tempers I absolutely don’t know how he kept his cool. Total respect. I would’ve flung at that Chinese cunt.
Disgusting behaviour. It was intolerable enough just to watch, imagine what Alexis was feeling. Regardless Alexis handled it like the champ he is, showing a level of maturity beyond his years. Bravo!
I agree it was bad behaviour from yuan licen but you should not overlook lebrun either, he doesn't even check if opponent is ready or not, both of them are equally at fault here
i dont get whats wrong lol😂
Throw the racket
to avoid the yellow card😂😂
@@superdurianyumyum3700 Yeah but he learned from his mistakes
@@AscendingAbove1You have to be joking, it was purely chinese dude's fault
I referred a game in the french championships when Lebrun played. He always waits his opponent to the table before to serve, which is not showed due to the cuts here.
If you are at the table before the serve, you're supposed to be ready, as simple as that. So the red card is well deserved for Yuan because it is a time wasting tactic.
"at the table" is not well-defined, so this doesn't mean much.
@@frankfeng4728 So is the term "ready" since there is no formal acknowledgement as such.
@Alejandro Pikoulas Plata He is not a cheater. Cheating is different than breaking the game rhythm.
Cheating would be something like applying water to the ball while serving etc.
what does a red card mean? I googled it and it says that a point is awarded, but also red card means disqualification?
@@briankim7442 By "red card", we meant in fact "yellow+red" given by the referee. Only the umpire of an official tournament can give a red card directly to the player, which results to a disqualification. But it is extremely rare to be honest
😂 Alexis Lebrun is so chill and good 🎉
World champion behaviour. This kid knows what he’s doing
🤮🤮🤮
@@haoxin2313 cheap chinese mindtricks didnt work this time eh?
@@NirvanakiEvery pro player on the world knows Lebrun brothers don't have sportsmanship. They like to start a serve really fast without waiting opponent back to position.
@@umi_guratori did you watch the wrong video?
We got to acknowledge this master piece of concentration, it must been really hard too stay focus against this tactics
Master piece? Hard to stay focus? These are kid tactics….
I can easily predict when he will stop, so there's no diffuse tactic involved.
All he’s attempting to do is throw off the pace of play and keep Lebrun out of rhythm. There is a way to do that without looking like some amateur that knows he can’t compete and win with his own talent alone. Yuan made himself look stupid with this behavior being so blatant.
Good for Alexis to stay cool, calm and win this match. What a disgrace.
It just highlights how classy and better Lebrun is 😊
That's crazy. I've never seen that tactic, I think he's trying to learn his serves at first because you see him just holding out his racket and seeing what the ball does off of it. Kinda messed up ngl. Also what is the point of a red card if it doesn't do anything? Good on Lebrun tho
I dont know much about table tennis, but from the look of it it gave a point to lebrun
The score was 1-1 before the serve and 3-1 afterwards
Right before he serves (just after the ref shows the card) she calls 2-1
Umpires are in charge of the match within the court’s boundaries and coach area. The referee is in charge of the tournament and only one who can disqualify. The red card for umpires goes with the yellow.
First offense : yellow
Second offense : yellow and red + 1 point to the opponent.
Third offense : yellow and red + 2 points to the opponent.
Anything subsequent, the referee gets called to make a decision to give a red card disqualification from the match or entire tournament.
That’s not his tactic, he just lacks experience; and the French guy doesn’t make any eye contact with him before he starts
Good point....... He is definitely knows that card system sucks so atleast he shud learn his serve
@@michellegault4122 Nothing in the rulebook stops the umpire from using the red card to close the match down due to bad behaviour from a player. You don't have to go the way via yellow+red and points taken several times. If a players behaviour is deemed too severe, you can use the red card to disqualify immediately.
Disrespectful
Lebrun is borderline cheating with his serves. Poor technique, hidden serves, tossing ball sideways and NOT LOOKING before even preparing for serve.
Who has played table tennis competitively (even in small divisions) in all these comments?
The video cuts are when Alexis Le Brun will perform his service so we do not know the time elapsed before positioning.
If Yuan Licen believes that Alexis Le Brun was serving too quickly, he does not stand in front of the table in a position to receive to raise his hand 2 seconds later.
If you get into position, you're ready.
There may be something holding you back from getting into position, but not 5, 6, 7, 8 times during sets.
I am currently, and that unsportive Chinese guy should have been punished much more by the refferee, but she is a coward.
I have played table tennis since 1996, and I played on a profesional level (european youth championships, junior pro tours and senior pro tours) and I agree with this comment above that the Chinese player should have been 'punished' even more and earlier.
He acted so annoyingly awful that he should have got a red card already after 4-4(or something) in the first set.
Extremely disrespectful behaviour.
Their are no rules stipulating that you need an elapsed define time before serving… sorry
bro, you cant possibly be this brainwashed, if he wasnt timewasting on purpose he would be arguing about the yellow cards, wouldnt he?
There is a code of conduct in the table. Unsportmanlike behaviour can be punished and must be punished. I am a table tennis referee
2:08 lol even the referee smacked her lips 😂
Yuan is simply an unskilled nobody who needed this tactic to stand a chance against alexis. Good on lebraun for keeping his cool
Unskilled nobodies don't get into the CNT 😂
He is definitely not unskilled man
Yeah, definitely not.
What a first class tossed that Yuan is.
No matter how good he becomes henceforth, he has lost bucketloads of respect for this childish gamesmanship.
He’s Chinese. No respect is needed usually. They go out of their way to cheat because results are more important than respect due to culture
@@bluerum896 Chinese invent gunpowder but it was white man used gunpowder commit tons of evil earn tons of gold made women and children suffer in hell to become successful countries, greed profiteering and theft form the basis of western civilization,France is a third world country,if not for them plundered Africa.
@@bluerum896cult-ure. The Chinese take dumps on streets. Regular Chinese. They spit everywhere. That cult is disgusting, inside and out.
@@bluerum896i'm presuming you're american 😂
@@bluerum896 This is more of a Yuan thing than a Chinese table tennis thing...
The fact that a 3 minute compilation could be made of this says a lot, really unsportmanlike
How else would you expose Lebruns illegal serves?
If you want to squeeze time to prep to receive a serve, you raise your hand BEFORE any other motion. If you approach the table and bend before raising your hand that is considered in ALL countries and all nationalities and in all places playing table tennis to be a dick move.
Une leçon de self-control par Alexis Lebrun. Les chinois savent plus quoi faire pour battre le français. Alexis Lebrun est un monstre programmé pour devenir le numéro 1. Son talent, son mental et son intelligence de jeu lui permettent de réaliser cela. Chapeau bas l'athlète! Et c'est un belge qui vous le dit
Mdr, j'espère que le résultat d'aujourd'hui t'auras fait taire :)
Calme toi mdr derrière il a aussi d’autres chinois qui attendent…il deviendra jamais numéro 1
@@andreqian9624mdr Alexis n'a que 20ans. il a jamais dit que c'était pour tout de suite qu'il le voyait au sommet. Ça semblait pourtant simple à comprendre ça :)
@@seb067ify mon commentaire était en réponse à sa remarque "les chinois ne savent plus quoi faire pour battre le français". Le résultat 3-0 pour la chine parle de soi même. Ce n'était pourtant pas si difficile à comprendre...🤫😉
he is good player but will never be nr 1 ..
I don’t think this rule has been carried out well. The server is suppose to dictate the tempo , unless he intentionally serves “ too fast”. But this hand raising habit by the receivers have been going on way too often. Not just Licen, but the entire world. I personally feel they should set the rule “ if you raise your hand to disrupt the server it’s an automatic yellow card” and have the ref decide whether or not the pace of the server is within the reasonable range.
Players can't call their own lets. Only the umpire can call lets. So, a player raising a hand is only the player indicating they are not ready. The umpire does not have to call a let just because a player raises a hand, if they think there is no good reason to call a let they can let the point play out and award the point.
I disagree, with players who intentionally/unintentionally serve very quickly I've used my hand to help show that they're going too fast. It's not very often I have to but it's better than not being ready and then most likely losing the point. This is just within the context of un-refereed games, I could see there being more of a case with ref'd games but still don't think the hand is bad.
Probably scared her social credit score will be lowered.
@@Gusa911 this joke wasn't remotely funny enough to warrant posting it under every comment
i also disagree.. the server can dictate the tempo AFTER he makes sure the receiver is ready. Then he can do his routines and rituals and what not and by that time the receiver should not disturb it.
If I was the umpire he would have gotten multiple red cards. It's something that he was warned about and knows the rules. It was clear he was disregarding the rules and kept repeating the unsportsmanlike conduct. If I was the umpire at his next match I would be holding the cards in my hand...
a player can only get two yellow-red cards before the umpire has to stop the match and call the referee. But I agree with you, Yuan here looked like an asshole
A full on disabulation would be appropriate.
@@angelguevara7730so that's why he stop doing it after getting one red
@@hithere1219 And then he got annihilated as expected so we're good in the end 😆
i wud have been so pissed...kudos for staying so calm and focused. Respect.
It's a shame that the Chinese Table Tennis Federation chooses such players to represent the country.
guess thats the Karma he deserves, rarely seen such an unfair guy like Yuan
@@olivierverdys4673 white man success was build on stolen loot in the name of Jesus not the Chinese.
@@olivierverdys4673win at all costs? sounds like it's very made in china to me
@@Janjanito.Gamingim sorry what did the US to do win in japan again? Mexican boy go mow my grass
i am amazed how the french did not lose his cool. in tennis i would called the supervisor five times already
I saw this guy play live. It was absolutely diabolical the level of cheating. And it totally won him the match (not this match). Not good for his reputation going forward.
Chinese like to cheat. They're good at it
“If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying”
@@Baegitte"no one says that except cheaters"
How did he cheat?
@@gorgit You rewatch the video and try to understand why he got a red card.
If I was Alexis and saw my opponent’s hand up while I toss the ball, I’d serve in the net.
I’ll then thank him for not being ready because it could’ve cost me a point! :)
If you were Alexis, you wouldn't serve in the net.
@@_.Madness._ in this context, yes I would
verdienter starker Sieg für Alexis Lebrun !!!
Fierté française 🇫🇷
Les frères Lebrun oui 🐔
Nice trolling at the end haha, I love him
Which asics model shoes is Alexis wearing here, anyone know?
Imagine this in squash : Stroke after one warning, game at the next one then match. Match would have been over at the first set.
Oh my god, this really pissed me off.
Glad Alexis won the game
La tolerancia y educación del jugador francés está a años luz de la pillería eterna de los jugadores chinos, tanto en gomas, pegamentos y en tonteras como las vistas en este partido.
I was impressed how Alexis kept his cool, it’s hard to do BUT it’s a must.
as a person named Euan, I felt like I was being told off multiple times 😂😂
--- Just behave yourself! 😡
Lmao yuan is the 2nd character in my name so i wanted to hate on everyone else😂
Hi Euan
Euan just play the tennis so we can all go home PLEEEZ
Yuan deserves it. The same thing happened to me in England's first division when the opponent was always in a hurry to serve. even then when I raised my hand to signal I wasn't ready he complained that I don't have the power to decide when he gets to serve. Ridiculous
but honestly. This is not the case here. Lebrun is at the table. the Opponent at the table, who is at the table is considered as ready. thats common sense.
If you are not ready don't go to the table, go a semi circle or whatever... These are mind games, nothing else.
edit: e.g. look at 0:24 or 0:36 this is ridiculous. but my favorite is 2:03 he is at the table, semi on the way to be ready, then stops and walks away.... for real :D ?
Hurry up then, are you brain damaged or something? It doesn't take long to get ready.
Then why do you say Yuan deserves it? You are contradicting yourself bro
Did you even watch the video? You have it backwards.
@@CMCMTTTV so why the chinese got red card not the french lmao :))
Is it the same as in tennis for the rule ? the receiver has to be ready ?
Sorry I am new to tt. If I am leaning in and in receiving postion, the server can take all the time he wants to serve?
There is a limit, but is the referee decides (idk if you have understood what i've said, sry i'm Bad in English x) )
what Yuan did is not great but it is also known that Lebrun always rushes to serve without making sure the opponent is ready
What is the rule if the cards in this game? What does the yallow mean and what does the red mean?
après il est assez mal tombé car Alexis Lebrun est plutôt du genre calme
Euh je les connais pas personnellement mais les deux frangins ont l'air d'être des boules de nerfs qd ils jouent lol
I hate disrespectful players, I am happy that he has lost.
When a good player bend down, he is ready (the server still have to throw the ball up at least 6 inches). I think it is just a rhythm thing. Lebrun brothers have fast rhythm, and most players have slower rhythm. It is fair that whoever serves can dictate the rhythm, just like his opponent can slow down the rhythm by taking some time in serving. e.g. when FZD serves, he always has couple series of bounces before serving
Indeed, but even comparing to players like Hugo Calderano, Kanak Jha, FZD and other that take their time to serve, Yuan Licen is absolutely messing up the game. No comparison possible. Well deserved red card.
That's just not it..
You are right and professional
As someone who both plays fast and slow depending on the match, I indicate me being not ready by not being in the return position, as soon as you are you need to have a solid reason not to be ready (something on the table, a ball enters the court etc).
@@CMCMTTTV if the receiver is at the table in any position resembling readiness (i.e looking at the server and being in position) he has to be ready. Not being ready as the receiver is when you havent faced the server or havent even been in position to receive. once there though, you have to be ready if the server decides so
I mean you can see him not being ready and they still make a serve?? Why? And how is it impolite? I didn't find a single scene where he was in position and then stopped anything. It was for every single serve that he was in an upright position, clearly not ready
How many red cards before you lose in this game??
When playing tennis, some experienced players may have a similar strategy where they prefer to serve when their opponent is not ready, which is considered an effective tactic. However, if this is done too frequently or deemed unethical, it may result in warnings or penalties from the referee.
Serving when the opponent is not ready is not a tactic, it's literally against the rules. If someone serves while his opponent is not ready, it should be let.
Yeah I don’t know what you’re talking about but that’s not a thing. Sure, the return player has to play to the speed of the server, but within reason. It literally never happens that the server serves and the return player isn’t ready
Yep like others say above, what are you talking about? I've never seen a tennis player serve while his opponent isn't looking or not even in position to receive or anything like that, and like others said I'm sure you can't even do that, it can't be allowed if you a want a sport to be a "sport".
Fake news. In tennis you play to the reasonable speed of the server. For Rafa that’s slow, others go faster. If deemed too fast yes the umpire can get involved, but the rule is built to prevent this type of nonsense, slowing the server down to a ridiculous level and you rarely see an umpire get involved. If this was happening in tennis, it’s tough luck to the receiver and you’ll simply lose those points
Wtf are you talking about? If the opponent is not ready, the serve would be a let, which only wastes your own effort. Pretending to not be ready and let the opponent serve anyway is a time wasting tactic by the Chinese guy in this video, deserving a warning.
I thought when you get a red card in table tennis you get sent off like in football. Is it possible for this to happen in table tennis?
It's yellow (warning) then red (1pt penalty) then 2 reds (2 points) and if again it's another 2 points and reporting to the tournament referee (often exclusion of the player)
Card rules in TT are mild in punishment, so at least referees must use it boldly. Not like in this game, where Yuan got his first yellow after multiple attempts by him.
The LeBron of table tennis
funny that unlike football, in TT even after red card person is not out...
please let this haunt yuan for the rest of his career
As Chinese, I would say Yuan is the worst Chinese table tennis player ever seen. His skills are not up to the top level at all. Playing dirty becomes his usual practice.
how was the result of this game ?
I do accept that Yuan raising hand was way too frequent. But I feel as a player Lebrun should also see if the opponent is ready or not..
Judging from this video I’m definitely ashamed of Yuan, I’m going to watch the full video now.
Don”t know he was on purpose or not, bat that”s bad behavior for sure, very unprofessional at least.
I’m more ashamed at the ref
Has he ever heard talking about sportsmanship ?
When your skill is not up to par, then you play the mental game...
dane, it's the first time I have ever seen player in table tennis took yellow and red cards, omg.
Bravo Alexis d'avoir gardé ton calme ❤
OMG what a dirty player, it's like he purposely tried to get DQ. He should have lost a point every time after the first warning.
I didn't expect to see a ping-pong player so dirty. For me, i love the sport because its a gentleman's sport's for genuine people who strive for perfection. Such a shame.
This is just crazy to see as a tennis fan. In tennis you must play at the server's pace. Its in the rule book
And still in tennis it gets abused by so called star players a lot. Nadal is famous for making you wait for your service for a loong time or break your serve with some fake correction. At French Open he had some disgusting matches like that. even more than in table tennis stars get protection by refs.
Brother I would throw hands after the 3rd time. Congrats to Lebraun for winning and staying calm.
That’s exactly what Yuan wants, riling you up lol.
In professional tennis, the pace of the serve is determined by the server.
Table tennis has still a long way to evolve. This is annoying for the adversary and for the audience.
Can someone explain the ‘Card’ rules? Is it like football… 2 Y = R and thus an ejection. Is yellow a Point? Red a Game?
Such strange behaviour. Initially it looks like gamesmanship but he was always going to get penalties for time wasting. Now I’m not so sure…there’s almost an obsessive compulsive behaviour about him
Yuan's coaches told him to test a strategy against Lebrun who always hurries and rushes with his serves.
@@fraer111 how long did it take to come up with that?
Mmmmmm…is that what you think his coaches told him to do or has this been stated by the coaches themselves? If the former please provide the source evidence. The latter would be an admission by the Chinese coaching staff in openly
promoting foul play….I think this is highly unlikely even if it were true.
@@hellopleychess3190 ... come up with what? Everyone knows Lebrun's game
How did he get a Red Card and Continued to Play? 🤔🤔
Surely when it gets to this point, you can just DQ him for the excessive time wasting?
The matter is simple. There are 2 types of red cards in table tennis.
The first type is the yellow and red card. If a player already has a yellow card and continues to behave in an irregular or even unsportsmanlike manner, the referee shows both cards simultaneously in one hand against the player. This is the case here. This gives the player a penalty point, so the opponent gets a point. If the player continues in this way, 2 penalty points are awarded. If he now has 3 penalty points as a result, he may not be guilty of anything else. Otherwise, the referee will report it to the head referee.
And this brings us to the 2nd type: the direct red card. It is shown either by the referee or the head referee.
The referee may use the direct red card to remove from the playing area (from the box) a coach or other adviser who has already been cautioned by yellow card in the same match. In addition, an unauthorised person who is advising the player can be immediately sent out of the playing area (out of the box). If, by the way, the persons concerned have received 2 expulsions, the head referee will be informed.
He will also be informed immediately if a player, coach or advisor has committed a serious offence.
And this brings us to the head referee: he may disqualify players, coaches, advisers and unauthorised persons, regardless of whether he has been informed by the referee or not. For this purpose, he shows the red card directly.
@@danielrutenberg2544 Uhhgg, Sounds so complicated
@@nedunonnyp704 nope.
Table tennis players would knew who did wrong things. Timing of service is very sensitive thing so gentle players give attention at opponent's position of receiving. Lebron doesn't give a s*** at that!
Because Yuan knows he will not be kicked out even if he gets 10 red cards, he continues like this.
Just trying to understand the rules here. How does Yuan continue to play after the red card? Doesn't that mean disqualification? Please let me know. TIA!
It just means his opponent gets a free point
in table tennis you have more steps before disqualification :
1st infraction -> Yellow Card
2nd -> Yellow + Red + 1pt penalty
3rd -> Yellow + Red + Red + 2pts penalty
4th -> call the umpire for possible disqualification
@@gustavitch8518 Got it. Thanks, mate! :)
@@gustavitch8518
Wow. They seems very tolerant.
Same, it seems pretty ambiguous coming from other sports heh
I think this Chinese prayer the skill is not that bad. Instead of trying to piss off the opponent he just focus on his playing. You might win this game
It's not the chinese player's skill which is at stake here, it's his behaviour
The guy tried psyching out Alexis lebrun but he psyched himself out. Bold strategy cotton.
Anyways A. Lebrun should urgently undergo a perimetry. You can see this in many matches he played, although it was not his fault this time.
Actually he didn't even notice his opponent's complete abscence from the table!!
Yuan definitely deserves the red card, but many other players also do. We have all seen truls and filus throwing racquets and only getting a yellow card, so they don't feel the urge to stop doing so. Especially Filus who almost hit the camera man with the racquet last in Singapore smash. He should be stopped from attending tournaments.
Agree. This throwing/destroying rackets behaviour should be ban forever for the sake of the sport. You can throw/break them at home tho 😂
Who cares if you break your own racquet? I hate sports where outright cheating is more acceptable than showing frustration at yourself.
@@SarahMaywalt it can be used as an intimidation tactic. you think you would feel safe if someone is throwing their racquet in your direction even if it doesnt hit or smashing it near you
@@SarahMaywalt i agree, but only when you dont put others in danger. if you literally throw the racket and it could hit someones head, it may cause serious injuries. and obviously, injuring/almost injuring some random person because of lacking sportsmanship is even worse than foul tactics.
Yuan should say a few words such as "wait a moment" or "stop" to let the opponent know what he is doing. When I play, if I am not ready, I usually say "wait ， wait ，wait ".😁😁
That could be dangerous. If you speak after the ball has been projected from the server's free hand, you coudl lose the point for speaking during the point.
Unfair competition is in their gene!
To be fair, Lebrun also serves immediately to force his flow or pace. I’ve been on the other side of both these kinds of players, they’re both annoying
Disgusting...
What red card actually means?
One point for the opponent
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I've watched table tennis casually for more than 20 years. This is the first time I've seen a red card and yet I'm surprised that red cards means nothing in this sport... lmao
So what is the point of the red card if the player doesn't get ejected from the game?
There was a point penalty as a punishment
Each yellow and red card combined gives an point to the opponent. After three given points (fifth card) the game will be stopped. Then the chief umpire most likely will eject the player. So basically you have to do 5 rule violations to get ejected.
@@PatrickMettchen That's too many. Should be maximum 3 chances.
@@mythar1 Why should it be 3? 3 or 5 is arbitrary.
Generally, at this level no one is penalised 3 points.
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It's just an off the cuff opinion and I've not given it much thought. I haven't played for many years and this was my first time seeing the card system.
I think you need to find a balance between giving a player a chance to correct behaviour but also set limits and protect the integrity of the game. There is I'm sure a good reason why 3 is the norm and no reason table tennis should be different. I would have to research the matter to give you a better answer.
This punishment is an absolute joke. Players like him make a mockery out of these rules, there should be one warning and then a quite immediate disqualification if the player does not change his behaviour.
Both players are kinda oblivious, and Yuan's card is deserved.
Alexis needs to look at opponent, let him get into position first before he tries to serve. At the same time, Yuan can hurry the hell up.
Not expected form CNT player, red car is well deserved
Cai Zenhua did a similar thing against Waldner. Dirty strategy from some guys from CNT from time to time.
loosing one point is definitely not enough imo
Totally agree! Deserved red card. But tabletennis does not have something like a red card that is punished like in other sports. Here you can just get repeatedly yellow-red cards which give the opponent points.
Its not only rude it's also stupid. China is a country that may even punish him internally because it damages their reputation. And he might have won the game otherwise. Looked pretty close. But dunno if it even disturbed Alexis.
But what i find very crazy as well is that Lebrun does not have the slightest bit of awareness of what his opponent does. He is so focused on himself that he does not notice anything around him. For example what i do often is that i notice that my opponent moves more to the backhand or forehand according to what he thinks i serve. Then i can change my serve accordingly because i notice that. But he can't do that because he does not notice anything. 2:03 crazy, his opponent is away for couple of seconds and he still serves.
Even in a normal example he would maybe serve to early because he does not see that his opponent is ready.
@niklas, Alexis is a professional table tennis athlete. I'm sure he knows what his opponent is doing, he is just forcing the pace on him and acting innocent. This video doesn't show the whole game and we're not sure how much time elapsed between points, so I don't think we can make a judgement by watching this video alone, but I'm sure it's more nuanced than purely Yuen trying to stall.
@@perthpongtt I would not be so sure about that. I have seen that often. They have a plan in mind for the point and pull through with it no matter what the opponent does and focused on themselves
“The server shall not serve until the receiver is ready. However, the receiver shall play to the reasonable pace of the server and shall be ready to receive within a reasonable time of the server being ready.”
On the other note, does Lebrun throw the ball "nearly vertically when he serves ? Looks like at least 30 degrees off the diagonal from the video perspective."
So?
cowardly tactic.
I agree that Yuan has really desevered the red card here. But both Lebrun brothers are always rushing the game and start serving very fast. Both of them never look at the opponents, almost never. It's very unprofessional from their side, if you check Fan vs Ma (Singapore 2023 final) you may see that they always look at each other before the serve, that's the proper way, you need to ensure that your opponent is ready to receive the serve. What is the reason to rush here? That's very unprofessional and unethical. Also, you may check that Fan ZD raises his hand quite often, Harimoto as well, so there's nothing wrong or dirty in Yuan's behaviour when he raises the hand, but in this match he has really crossed the line and behaved unprofessional. But Lebrun brothers need to learn the ethic and rules of world level athletes, they are not in French semi-pro league anymore
i can clearly understand ur point, but if Yuan is going to be wasting so much time off all the points they could've played. Anyone would most likely want the match to end sooner than later
The break can be maximal 20 sec for the next serve. Yuan has to know this !
They were both annoyed at each other. Alexis wanted to play fast, because that's his rhythm and Yuan wanted to slow down. I think Alexis serving through the hand raise just made Yuan raise he hand more and in turn he overdid it and got the cards for it.
@@joheynderickx3185 100% agree
@@blackmanwhitesuit for sure, Alexis is a smart guy and he used that
Didn't see a red card... Good composure from the French player.
Alexis reste très calme parce que le mec en face, c'est un sacré boulet !
Alexis Lebrun is known for serving too quickly, often catching opponents off guard, and Yuan went out too far to counter it.
In my opinion, the fairest solution to this issue is to introduce a 5-second gap between each serve, allowing the athletes to catch their breath, unless they both agree to skip the time.
When playing at national level 35 years ago, In last round (10 best players) I was facing top favorite player to win nationals, a seasoned chinese penholder player who surprisingly lost 1st set with me and started illegally serving every single time, I complained to the referee but he didn't listen and he kept going. He won 2nd set and on last decisive set, I was 20-15 up and he was serving, he made 4 shameless illegal serving and put the game 20-19 as I kept complaining to referee. Finally, on his last illegal serve, I couldn't handle the serve and referee gave me the point and the game so I won, suddenly after his coach mad rage complained and chinese player broke his paddle by throwing it against the floor.
How is this simply tolerated at this high rank of players ?!?!?!
What is the impact of a red card at table tennis? Penalty point ?
Great job to Alexis Lebrun getting rid of this time waster
So, as a Chinese and showing my coach (a roommate of Wang Chuqin) this, I would say Yuan deserves the red card here.
Here is the thing. It is not uncommon for people to change the serving rhythms in games. For example, when you are on a winning streak, you want to serve faster. And when you are losing, you might "fake" some reason to slow down the serve.
However, here is the problem. Usually, even when you want to slow down the serve, you don't do it after you seem to be in a ready position and your opponent is ready to serve. I have only seen this once on a very high level when the player actually noticed that his shoes were untied. Here, Yuan repeated getting into the ready position, and then when Lebrun was tossing, he stopped the game for no reason. If he really needs to wipe the sweat from the hand, what is normally expected is explained to your opponent and wipe it or blow some air and wait. In this case, most people will understand, and it is also preferable (Strictly speaking, if your hand is very sweaty, the sweat can come into the racket, and that is a cheat). So, EVEN IF you are trying to slow down the match, there are better ways to do it. Also, it is really unlikely that when you are ready, you suddenly notice that your hand is sweaty. This is very different from the case when you didn't notice your shoelaces were untied.
To be honest, one can play psychological warfare in many ways, and it is sometimes not easy to judge. When Ma Lin is about to lose a match, he might show that he doesn't want the match at all while, in fact, he is concentrating. Yuan's techniques are not only unsportsmanlike and it is not that EFFICIENT. It is very clear from the beginning what he is trying to do, and the top-level player will notice, and then the techniques lose their effect.
He needs throwing out the game for those antics. Lebrun handled it superbly
this question might seems stupid but I wonder what a red card actually does, cus the game was still going on even after the chinese guy got a red card
This does not show both sides of unsportsmanlike conduct. Alexis Lebrun uses a tactic of fast tempo so often serves quickly to give opponents less time to be ready and prepare for the return shot. Whilst within rules this can also be seen as not within spirit of game and hence Licen tries to slow it down.
Lol.