Hi Guys , There's been a few people experiencing a Judder or squeal when pulling away on the Honda 350 engine. Well lets take a look at a possible cause today.
I had the same problem when I first purchased my used 14000 mile 2001 NSS250 Honda Reflex. At that time I had owned nothing but motorcycles and had little to no knowledge of CVT bikes or scooters. On take off it had a horrible shutter, from takeoff to around 12 mph, and sometimes a loud squeal only on acceleration up through 35 or 40 mph. An aftermarket racing clutch and matching clutch bell solved my shutter problem and a new Bando factory drive belt solved the sqealing problem. Previouse owner had put a cheap Chinese drive belt on it. Also dumped the rollers for sliders in the variator.
Having just got a Forza, good to know, looks to be just dust from natural wear of the belt and clutch plates. Great vid, one to follow if/when any get similar issue.
Thanks for vid , worked a treat for about 400 miles but started to groan again , no judder just the groan , so took apart again , obviously still clean in there but rubbed and cleaned the clutch plates with a bit more vigor , put it back together and perfect again ,so can only assume the plates are bad or contaminated , anyway orderd the malossi upgrade to fix once and for all !
What I use to once a year was to blow that area out with a air line I included it in the service as I do all my own servicing, pick my new adv on Tuesday, from where you got yours from.
On wet weather its more noticeable. My sh300i with 50000miles also do that and already changed clutch. You clean it, judger disapeers and after a few miles is there again. Annoying at low speed but once the belt and clutch warms up its gone.
At least it's a easier job than a burgman 400, thinking of getting a forza 350,what is ur height and inside leg measurements, is the seating position OK I am 6" 1'
Hi, am interested In an adv350. I have a 400 burger so how do you find the performance against the burger....top speed and acceleration. enjoyed the video. Ps seems a lot easier to get to the drive without having to take loads of plastic off. Cheers, Eric
Hi I also had a burgman 400 but the older one. I can say the ADV350 beats it on performance and handling but the burger us more comfortable and better weather protection.
15 gram rollers tweak the torque nicely on take off 0-100km in6.8 second ,with no affect at top speed.remove the inner tube in side air box and fit a land n air filter,for razor sharp handling and acceleration
I just done this and it's cured it 100% , I did the variator nut to 83nm and the clutch nut to 78nm. These are the listed torques from the Forza 300 workshop manual , Be nice to get a definitive answer but mine seems to be just fine . But the the other chap says 125nm so I'm not sure now
Oh and yes the rollers had an edge on them , which I noted almost like a little indentation right around one side , they matched with the blue pain points
Brilliant, nicely done and you saved a fortune! BUT, am disappointed we should have to do this at such low mileage - just done 2500 myself and was thinking 'nothing to do for years, wrongly!'. Also, even though debris was a few grams, where did it come from and what future problems are around the corner????
@@Crohniebiker Hopefully you might send the vid to Honda UK, it's concerning! I started with a twin 125 in the 60's, I still have a v twin 125 but they are traditional bikes, good as gold!
You did not seem well prepared for the job as didn't see next gasket fitted , air filter was not cleaned and torque settings your local dealer would of provided you with. When you finished using toque wrench always take the tension off other wise you can do damage to it with out using it and torque wrenchs are not designed to undo bolts with. BTW I'm a ex mechanic and have the experience and qualifications to back my experience up. Yes I did enjoy watching video as mate recently bought his brand new this year
I had the same problem when I first purchased my used 14000 mile 2001 NSS250 Honda Reflex. At that time I had owned nothing but motorcycles and had little to no knowledge of CVT bikes or scooters. On take off it had a horrible shutter, from takeoff to around 12 mph, and sometimes a loud squeal only on acceleration up through 35 or 40 mph. An aftermarket racing clutch and matching clutch bell solved my shutter problem and a new Bando factory drive belt solved the sqealing problem. Previouse owner had put a cheap Chinese drive belt on it. Also dumped the rollers for sliders in the variator.
Great video. My sh350 is suffering judder at just 2000 miles. I'll point it out to my dealer at the next annual service.
Having just got a Forza, good to know, looks to be just dust from natural wear of the belt and clutch plates. Great vid, one to follow if/when any get similar issue.
Thanks for watching 👀
Thanks for vid , worked a treat for about 400 miles but started to groan again , no judder just the groan , so took apart again , obviously still clean in there but rubbed and cleaned the clutch plates with a bit more vigor , put it back together and perfect again ,so can only assume the plates are bad or contaminated , anyway orderd the malossi upgrade to fix once and for all !
@saxon73 thanks for your comments and glad to help
Thank you for sharing, Great work.
That was one of the best HowTo vidio’s I’ve seen. Thank you, the mystery behind the casing revealed.
Very interesting and well explained.
Thanks for watching 👍
Great video..thx for taking the time to share. I am sure we will all be doing this job at some point.
Very helpful video and very well explained. Thanks. Love from Scotland, ❤ X ...
@inquisitive1911 thank you for watching. I appreciate it 👍
Great simple explanation , well done bud 👍
Thanks very much 😀
Excellent video very informative I pick my new one up next week I like to do all my own maintenance so this was very interesting 👍👍
Thanks for watching I appreciate it 👍
What I use to once a year was to blow that area out with a air line I included it in the service as I do all my own servicing, pick my new adv on Tuesday, from where you got yours from.
I think I will be doing the same thing from now on 👍
On wet weather its more noticeable. My sh300i with 50000miles also do that and already changed clutch. You clean it, judger disapeers and after a few miles is there again. Annoying at low speed but once the belt and clutch warms up its gone.
Yes I did find it was better once it warms a bit .
I'll have see how it goes once I've done a few more hours o it .
Thanks for watching 👍
Nice job there. Just get yourself some Dr. Pulley sliders, 10% lighter than your rollers are, and enjoy way longer service and better acc.
@sapte62 thanks, I'll give them a try next time 👍
At least it's a easier job than a burgman 400, thinking of getting a forza 350,what is ur height and inside leg measurements, is the seating position OK I am 6" 1'
@lippythelion Hi, I'm 6'1" and it's OK really, my inside leg is 34" .I can go a few hundred miles in a day.
Hi, am interested In an adv350. I have a 400 burger so how do you find the performance against the burger....top speed and acceleration. enjoyed the video.
Ps seems a lot easier to get to the drive without having to take loads of plastic off. Cheers, Eric
Hi I also had a burgman 400 but the older one.
I can say the ADV350 beats it on performance and handling but the burger us more comfortable and better weather protection.
Thanks for sharing
Good to know 👍
Great video very helpfull , thanks for taking time to make it and share
@@MrWmclydesdale glad you found it helpful. Thanks for watching 👍
15 gram rollers tweak the torque nicely on take off 0-100km in6.8 second ,with no affect at top speed.remove the inner tube in side air box and fit a land n air filter,for razor sharp handling and acceleration
I’ve had no issues at all with mine I love it just put an Arrow exhaust on it 😊
125Nm for the variator nut. Well thats according to the adv polini instructions. Just a point, aren't the rollers orientation sensitive?
Thanks for the info 👍
The rollers are just standard no left or right side that I could tell anyway 👍
I just done this and it's cured it 100% , I did the variator nut to 83nm and the clutch nut to 78nm. These are the listed torques from the Forza 300 workshop manual ,
Be nice to get a definitive answer but mine seems to be just fine . But the the other chap says 125nm so I'm not sure now
Oh and yes the rollers had an edge on them , which I noted almost like a little indentation right around one side , they matched with the blue pain points
well explained, thanks
You shouldn't use a torque wrench for loosening
Brilliant, nicely done and you saved a fortune! BUT, am disappointed we should have to do this at such low mileage - just done 2500 myself and was thinking 'nothing to do for years, wrongly!'. Also, even though debris was a few grams, where did it come from and what future problems are around the corner????
I believe it comes from the clutch shoes at the back and possibly just the rubbing up and down of the rollers at the front .
Thanks for watching 👍
@@Crohniebiker Hopefully you might send the vid to Honda UK, it's concerning! I started with a twin 125 in the 60's, I still have a v twin 125 but they are traditional bikes, good as gold!
Did 30 k on my xmax 250 changed belt twice in life and rollers. Not this problem, it’s disgraceful Mr Honda - cheap clutch shoes
Any TSB from Honda on that?
You did not seem well prepared for the job as didn't see next gasket fitted , air filter was not cleaned and torque settings your local dealer would of provided you with.
When you finished using toque wrench always take the tension off other wise you can do damage to it with out using it and torque wrenchs are not designed to undo bolts with.
BTW I'm a ex mechanic and have the experience and qualifications to back my experience up.
Yes I did enjoy watching video as mate recently bought his brand new this year
I would have been exactly like this video
Yey 🔧😎
Download a service manual for torque settings, 😂
Easier said than done as there isn't one available!
please use gloves. thank me later.
Why use gloves there was no grease and all the dirt found can be found on a roundv
I don't bother about it. I treat it as a squeaking brakes.