+Lierofox The mrrglll-warder, gilled Jesus, or mrglchief of the horde, which do you prefer? Also, the wife said the exact same thing in the theatre at the credits
So many good easter eggs too! -Summoning stone in elwynn -Blizzard logo at the v. beginning containing Arthas, Frostmourne & other(s) -Ironforge is *beautiful* -Khadgar riding his griffin into Stormwind flight path -Polymorph followed by "It only works on the simple minded, and it lasts for about a minute!" -Murloc -Harvest Golem in Westfall -the fight between lothar, khadgar and medivh/sargeras played out like a boss fight in the game (phases) -Khadgar 'dings' after defeating medivh (yellow glow after beating the fel corruption) -Most of the horde chieftains having cameos (Grom, Killrogg, Bladefist is whom I've spotted, and was that Drek'Thar getting captured with Garona and then dying?) -Rod of Atiesh is Medivhs staff -Moroes in Kharazan! -Boomstick named after The Highly Calibrated Boomstick in-game -Toby Kebbel who plays Durotan also played Antonidas and the wow loading screen music played in the end credits! fav movie of 2016, next up Assassins Creed!. #gamerlyfe
Perhaps It would be too much, if Dalaran was located in the same zone (Hillsbrad Foothills) as Dunholde Keep, where Thrall is raised. It is around that place Thrall / Go'el was found in the end of the movie.
I think the worst character was Orgrim. I really love Orgrim and I hate what they did to him in the movie. I the original story he was right hand of Blackhand and second in command of the Horde but he didn't trust Gul'dan and refused to drink the demon blood. Later, when Gul'dan was in a comma, he betrayed and killed Blackhand and took the mantle of Warchief of the Horde and conquered Stormwind, winning the first war. He was a hero for the Horde, he believed in honor, and he really cared for his people, unlike Gul'dan and Blackhand who only cared for power. But in the movie he was a traitor to Durotan and didn't do anything important. A complete waste of a great character.
Nobbel87, Id like to thank you creating amazing content over the years. Your vids have brought back some incredibly good memories of wow and after trying to find a comprehensive, detailed explanation/story for the entire warcraft lore [was terribly unsuccesful], i found your vid explaining this and very well by the way. I look forward to more vids on warcrafft lore and all the tiny details that only us vets of wow will ever understand. thank you once again, much appreciated!
Yes thank you! I never played warcraft and MMO storytelling (especially earlier in the genre's development) is abysmal and your videos do a beautiful job at weaving everything together and orating it with your interested yet relaxed voice.
Whole Frostwolf clan on this side of the portal got slaughtered .. when humans arrive their corpes hangs in front of the camp. Orgrim let just Draka run away with little Goel, and in then end only he left.
I don't think they necessarily slaughtered all Frostwolves. Just the strongest warriors ("take the weak, kill the strong"), possibly the ones who went along with Durotan to the meeting in Blackrock pass.
Dude, I'm full Alliance Paladin, and I'm fucking pissed that the city didn't burn as it should have! It's more fuel to the fire that they showed Stormwind as it was rebuilt, rather than show Stormwind as it was originally built with the flaws in the defense walls that the Horde gradually broke through, wall by sectional wall, finally leading up to the keep... -.- The current Stormwind set up is designed with the epic moat between two mountain ranges specifically for that reason... Never again will a huge army be able to "storm" Stormwind as it was originally done in lore... So for the movie to have shown it as it is now is just stupid because no Horde army will ever be able to penetrate that gate even with only half a legion of men defending it! It's too well designed from previous experiences... So if the Horde cannot burn Stormwind in movie lore, how the fuck does it make it past Elwind forest?! Bypassing Elwind entirely would just be stupid, as that would leave the Alliance with a "storm front" ;D from which to propel guerrilla warfare from as the Horde attempts to push northward towards Arathi via the Blackrock mountains and the Searing Gorge... It's just all around ridiculous!
Ignore the horde bait, I agree with Alex here and I'm also an Alliance player. Stormwind burning was a result of the King dying. It was also rebuilt by heavy taxes from Lordaeron after the second war ended which in the end resulted in some pretty meef'd peasants and the eventual rise of the Defias.
Zoroko "ignorant" Not sure you know the meaning of that word. The original lore is no more for a movie than what they did. It could have easily been used for the movie. The movie already skips a lot and the pacing is off.
Too much? Not necessarily, they didn't have to include all the lore bits, they could have skipped them, as long as there EXISTENCE was still part of that universe. But instead they skipped over (As in didn't happen, not witness), and completely changed numerous important story points. Its not about a story too much for a movie, it was about what was CHANGED.
Nobbel isn't Medivh still possessed by Sargeras in the movie? The scene where he says he can't remember what he's done and the form he takes makes it seem like it's sargeras taking over not just simple fel
Well the biggest hint was that khadgar tells lothar that they need to go kill a demon, and it really seem like khadgar removes the demon from medivh and not just some fel energy
Medivh looked more like Kil'Jaeden to me. And yea, it was Garona that mentioned Guldan learned from a demon, so maybe they just cut out Sageras for Kil'Jaeden. From what I can tell, all the changes were to shorten/simplify the story line; otherwise, it'd be a six hour movie. Personally, I wouldn't complain.
The only real Warcraft movie is a movie done with animations that blizzard shows in trailers. It would be breathtaking to see warcraft for what it is, not a real life movie, but a fantasy world. I guess I can only dream.
Thank you for focusing on four differences in detail. By the way, your narration of the movie events is more thrilling than the scenes themselves, kudos.
I like to think of the movie as a retelling of a legend. The stories of legends change in the retelling until they become myth, but the important bits are always the same. Thank you for this video, I highly enjoy it as I do all of your videos.
I'm actually curious, how they're going to make Orgrim the new Warchief of the Horde in the Sequel. 1. He's part of the Frostwolf Clan and not Blackrock, which already gives him a worse standing and he can't challenge Blackhand to Mak'Gora, since he's already dead.
My guess is he'll remind the horde of Durotan's challenge in which Gul'Dan dishonoured the horde. With Garonas influence, the horde will turn on Gul'Dan and kill him. But I think Orgrim will die here. Hopefully the rest of the movie before this point builds up Thrall to succeed Ogrim with the weapon. And perhaps either he will be warchief.
Whereareyouroam goodsire That's an option. But if he kills Gul'Dan, he will never create the death knights though they play a major part in the Lich King story. Well, we don't know, but they'll probably handle it in some way.
pretty much in movie canon orgrim is too cowardly to challenge gul'dan ironically. the bravest moment he had was saying mean things to gul'dan but that about it. i don't think he'll be the warchief in sequel.
thank you for the upload nobbel; by the way on top of what you have mentioned a major difference is that blackhand is killed by doomhammer, who in turn becomes warchief ; after the alliance is formed by lothar they raid blackrock mountain (horde main camp) . lothar is pushed into a fight against doomhammer and doomhammer actually kills lothar; it is strange that turalyon (lothar 2nd in command) is not mentioned in this movie, as turalyon finishes what lothar started and wins the battle / war..
I'll be honest, some of the changes felt better in the movie so it's 50/50 yet the one i love more was how Garona kills the king. the original is summed up as 'Mind control' murder but the movie had more feeling behind it. The king wasn't just sitting around and knowing the fate, he did something that even Garona didn't want to do...but it worked in the end. But that's me.
Hey Nobbel, huge fan, any how can you please explain to me the Aoldi scene, wasn't he a male high elf? Shouldn't that have been aegwyn in that weird box in dalaran? I have many questions about this, being a female human I feel like that should have been medivh's mother
I wish I could, but details are vague. It's certain that the name of the being inside the box is Alodi, Alodi being the name of the first guardian in the main universe. The rest...up for interpretation. I have no idea why Alodi decided to go into a box, perhaps it was a reflection for the source of the guardian's power? Could explain the scars of fel magic in her eyes considering that a guardian before Medivh did some massive resource on the fel. Like I said, it's been kept vague.
Nerzhul communicated with his dead wife Rulkan. Kil'jaden posed as Rulkan and convinced Nerzhul that the Draenie was a threat. Thats why he united the clans and started to kill the Draenie.
I feel that rather than trying to squeeze so much lore into the space of a few hours for each movie, it would have been better to make a warcraft episodic series, possibly with each season devoted to each of the three wars, allowing enough time to provide exposition and character development.
well yeah, but at least we get more content than a two/three hour movie with each season, and if blizzard itself produced it, then maybe (some hope) they'll re-invest it into other projects (a.k.a for the love of god, give us warcraft 4 already, its been a decade+)
this guy is amazing, and i like his accent aswell, if you are reading this keep it up, your vids is the only thing still making me cling to everything warcraft related!
Robin AH They can still do that. Movie by movie the story will continue to alter from the original game plot anyway, so I don't see how this is supposed to prevent anything major. Nevertheless I see your point.
Well.....yes and no.....I mean remember the scourge is supposed to invade Dalaran at some point later on in the story......so yea that's gonna get weird if it's flying already
hey Nobbel, to me it seemed like they didnt really changed the lore of medivh having Sergaras spirit inside of him. When Medivh fights Lothar and Khadgar he turned into a demon and I feel like the woman that tells Khadgar about medievh is actually Medivh mother...also do you think Stormwind will not fall now seeing as they didnt do much to introduce Lordaeron and how they changed the death of the king
His mother wasn't too directly responsible for his downfall. She seeks council of King Llane and informs him, not Lothar or Khadgar, of his betrayal. Garona who has a "relationship" with Medivh also helps Lothar and Khadgar take him down. In addition, Medivh purposely surrounded himself with people that could/would stop him. While, yes, it's relatively the same, the stark difference dampens the story (for me anyway.). Especially since Garona is such a dynamic character that gains so much throughout that story arc, (love interest(s), family, etc) only to lose it all in the end because of Gul'dan and his dealings.
yeah I was disappointed, the actual fight against against medivh, khadgar rapidly aging... garona her significant other trying to kill him and Lothar his friend overcoming the pain of being burned alive just to deal the killing blow... dumbed down to a silly typical and unispired drop something on the bad guy straight out of loony toones scene...
One of the main things I noticed was Dalaran already being a floating city in the movie. In the games, it took much longer to move the city. I feel like they barely even touched on Dalaran in the movie. I think most things in the movie are only understood by fans like us. Which is great for us but it explain low critic review scores too.
Today, I literally was thinking "I wonder if I should ask Nobbel if he'd do a lore video about the differences between the Warcraft movie and the canon..." You sir, are amazing. The best Warcraft content creator ever. Bravo.
Actually no. Nobel kinda copped out to make things seem similar when they really weren't. I mean stormwind is supposed to be destroyed but in the movie it's not even touched.
+yobigmac Stormwind is supposed to be destroyed after Llane's death. It's a bad way to end movie 1 and a perfect way to start movie 2. The movie just doesn't cover the whole first war (which nobody ever claimed it would). What do you think will all the orcs do next now that most of them got ported and the king's army is decimated?
I think he over emphasized some of the differences, especially the first one. All of that Legion backstory almost certainly happened in the movie, they just weren't able to show it. Of the whole first point the only real difference in Doomhammer and the single Draenei
That was interesting. Poor drenai. They are one of my favorite races. Medivh is an interesting character. I am glad they put him in the movie. I remmber his mother, even though she never apears.
I honestly love a lot of the change of the Warcraft movie in term of lore. The Durotan development was easily the best change that I believe should be canon.
wait wait wait. Medivh is Garona's father in that book? ... Well that makes Medan even odder now doesn't it? I thought that opening scene with the dreanei asking Gul'dan to "let her child go" was an hint to her being half dreanei with the dreanei in the cage being Gerona's mother. ... I really hope they recon that Medivh being her father thing that makes ... so little sense. I mean the Dark Portal was not even open yet! How did Medivh get there!
Impossible to say if Medan becomes part of the movie universe. If he does, i'd imagine they go with Lothar as the father instead of Medivh. The novel has Garona and Lothar spending the night together
Except Garona's father is not Medivh nor is she half human. She's a result of Gul'dan's experimentation where he bred his male Orc warriors and Draenei females
Medan is almost 100% retconned, because his storyline was heavily disliked by everyone and his mere existence just makes everyone question the way the legion even exists right now, he is all but officially retconned, and hopefully it will be official soon (i say this because there is no mention of him anywhere outside the comics he turned up in)
I made a Top 3 Things I loved and hated video about what they changed. But overall I think people can become quite defensive about changes in the Lore and I fully understand that. After all, they've been growing up with this story, then it has another version in WoD and now in the Movie. Person can never know what to believe. Lucky there's Nobbel with his unlimited knowledge :D
Yes and interestingly enough, someone mentioned a difference between the written novel and audio version. Audio version describes Garona as the new warchief, novel does not. Makes sense if they want to go that route, have her take the roll of Doomhammer from main universe, try to lead the Horde down a more honorable path.
thanku nobbel thought it was just me with changes it was sending me nuts ...explained it to so many half didn't understandas didn't play long enough ty massive hugs
Blackhand was forced by Gul'dan and Orc Tradition to do ritual suicide because he fled the battle as commander. When he put his damaged hand in to the fel it started to eat it's way through his arm going for the rest of the body.
I have played for so many years, not being interested in the lore but after i saw the movie i have been watching your videos, and they helped me understand the lore, thanks =)
Well, for me movie sucked ass. Because they potentially killed 2 strongest lore storylines: Arthas and Thrall. We wouldn't see scourge as Ner'Zhul wasn't punished by Kil'Jedan and became the Lich King, so no threat for Lordaeron and no one to fuck up Arthas. And Thrall never becomes warchief as Blackhand is dead and it is very unlikely for Ogrim to kill Gul'Dan and become Warchief, also no frostwolves left so no one will teach Thrall shamanism. Well, I was disappointed with lore changes. Also one lore change that made me mad: Khadgar not getting old. Him getting old was a way to show how powerful Khadgar was, as he managed to purge himself from fel with arcane magic and looking old is an effect of this.
everything ended with almost the same result so ofc theyll manage to bring arthas as the lich king, and with the same logic thrall will become warchief and a shaman too. Remember this movie just showed the same results but not the same ways of how it happened in the actual lore, i personally liked, but thats another story xD So yeah a warcraft movie "chain" without arthas isnt warcraft so youll see that theyll manage to get the lich king into the movie
They can still do all this stuff... Just as they did with this movie, they just make it easier for the audience to digest. They will probably just make frostmourne the cause of the scourge. And orgrim will have a great role in the influence of Thrall. I think that Thrall will discover his shamanistic roots by being connected to the doomhammer. If you notice the weapon wasn't given the spotlight it deserves. Maybe it is being saved for the moment thrall picks it up and 'awakens' it.
Ner'Zhul punishment isn't even happening at this time. It happens after the lost second war, when he tries to open more portals into different worlds in the search for power and then get's ripped to shreds leaving only his mind behind by Kil'jaeden after entering one of the mentioned portals. Also iirc he and his clan stayed behind on draenor.
I would like to say that the lore of Warcraft is a perfect mirror of our own history. Tales are retold, details change, but the heart of the message stays the same. If the loremasters of the game take a moment and look at it from this perspective perhaps they will see the essence of story is sometimes more important than the details.
While it saddens me a bit that the movie is so different from the game-lore, I understand why they did it. If they were to follow the original lore it would just take too long and would've fit in a movie (sort of like movies based on books, it would be awesome if they could keep everything but a book is simply too long to fit in a movie) That said, I actually liked the movie, seeing in-game places and stuff on the big screen was so cool! #NERDGASM
+Andrew Sandstrom it's simply infuriating that we had WoD to already tell the story in an alternate setting. Then the film, which openly invites new players to WoW, tells the story in an alternate setting. So Blizzard has invited incredible amounts of ignorant players now to WoW to no fault of their own because they will start playing through WoD content and then be told that that is not how it originally played out either. I get so pissed even looking at this whole situation. It is such a cluster-fuck.
+Andrew Sandstrom it's simply infuriating that we had WoD to already tell the story in an alternate setting. Then the film, which openly invites new players to WoW, tells the story in an alternate setting. So Blizzard has invited incredible amounts of ignorant players now to WoW to no fault of their own because they will start playing through WoD content and then be told that that is not how it originally played out either. I get so pissed even looking at this whole situation. It is such a cluster-fuck.
That's what I wanted too but I'm fine with it. You realize Warlords of Draenor did basically the same thing right? They re-write history all the time since Cata.
Use your imagination, ppl. Just as one of the possibilities: some corrupt Kirin Tor mage drops the city from the sky and then everything happens as it was in the game. Or Archimonde destroys it when it's in the skies, because he uses magic to do it and doesn't give a fuck if it's floating or not.
The biggest change to me was : In the movie they described Stormwind as the largest human kingdom that has helped all the others. Where in actual lore, Stormwind was the smallest and so far south that all other nations ignored their sister city. When Stormwind called for aid against the Horde, the rest of the Human nations ignored the plea. Also there was no "alliance" with dwarves or elves until after Stormwind is long destroyed. Only reason the elves joined the war effort at all was because Lothar is a descendant of the Arathi Bloodline. Dwarves and Gnomes did not come to the aid until unified Alliance broke the Horde siege of Iron Forge near the end of the 2nd War.
To start, I would like to say I thought the movie was amazing and well done. However, there were a couple of lore changes that you didn't mention that bugged me. The first major one was that Medivh and Khadgar didn't know each other when in the Last Guardian novel, Khagdar was Medivh's apprentice and he slowly learned that Medivh was not alone in his body. The other major lore change was Medivh rapidly ages Khadgar's body after their final showdown. Thanks for the video!
no fall of stormwind, that is a huge change that i dont like. They have do change things more and more so that there will be a lich king or a shamanistic thrall.
Rower Well the fall of stormwind could still happen in the next video, and the alliance that Lothat will make He did really not make a Alliance between the races in this one, nobbel was doing some drugs i think lol
not many may have noticed this and i didnt notice this until i rewatched the movie several times. the scene where blackhand sacrifices his hand and when it begins to burn, you can see in the background to his left what appears to be a silhouette of mannoroth. watch it.
9:24 I had a good laugh at that scene. It's like "welp he was already basically Green Moses with how he was raised by the enemy but ultimately lead his people to the promised land of Durotar, but let's _really_ cement it."
The part where Gul'dan kills the deer to save Thrall was hilarious. I like how the director changed what was wrong in the trailer and made it even better.
Great video once again. I would love to see one about possible storylines for a sequel! Also, does the novel go deeper into the fate of the orcs still on Draenor? Given the spearhead on Azeroth consists most likely only out of their best warriors, around 3/4 of them(given the scene in the movie) in addition to their old ones and children are still left behind!
have not seen the movie yet but really enjoyed this ty and I am glad with the garona changes her not having all those curses on her from gul'dan cho'gull and sargaras makes her story for me way better
Personally, I can think of a really good explanation of the changes between game and movie lore. The alternative timelines, explained on many occasions by bronze dragons both in novels (Twilight of the Aspects is most detailed concerning this specific issue) and in the game itself (Caverns of Time and, for sure, entire WoD expansion). Actually, I think now that it may be another reason, WoD was ever created (most of us agree it's a crappy expansion)... so that the idea of multiple timelines was fresh in fans' minds upon the movie's release, thus making all the lore changes more tollerable. And, as such, it is totally fine to have two different stories in game and on the big screen, as from the beginning they would be two alternative timelines. I'd even be happy if in some of the sequels, a bronze dragon (hands up for Chromie!) appeared and specifically confirmed it. It would be a really nice easter egg from Blizzard towards the players. Nicer even than murloc and polymorph, I think.
I liked the movie's story better. Like it that Garrona didn't have magic put on her to force her to do it and instead it was the king knowing that they were doomed if she did not kill him and work to bring peace to the orcs and humans from a high power position for the orcs. Just like it with the idea that it was their choice because they can have people passionate on the human side saying that wasn't a good choice if they even believe her. Also from the movie I can see them adding parts from the actual story line like Madiev having the spirt of sargares corrupt him. They may just not have known that it was a demon and figure it's easier to blame the fel magic for the people in the story trying to find a explanation. Going to use another comment for what I wish changed
The whole time I was in the movie, I was thinking "When are they going to explain what other half is Garona? Will she hook up with Medivh in the next movie?" The fact he is her father is kind of an important thing to cut out... I hope we get a director's cut with all the content that was removed!
Hey Nobbel! I'm a long time viewer & a 1st time commenter. SPOILER WARNING!!! I really enjoyed the movie & I even enjoyed the changes from the lore (although I would have loved to see Orgrim smash Blackhand's skull with Doomhammer & claim mantle of Warchief, but i digress). The one change that really got to me was the death of King Llane. Llane hoped to take a chance at peace by having Garona kill him & gain her honor among the Horde, but in doing so, survivors (i.e. Lothar) were able to tell the Alliance that Llane was betrayed by Garona & further intensify the hatred towards the Horde. I have long thought that the story of Warcraft is like a commentary on our world. We are different nations separated by culture, borders, and sometimes distrust. Sometimes we can come together to take on dangerous threats, but there are many things that further divide us. There have been plenty of examples of this in the Warcraft lore. Take the events at Wrath Gate: Horde & Alliance came together to take on the Lich King but a splinter group w/in the Forsaken killed Alliance & Horde alike. This event further increased the distrust between the 2 factions throughout the Northrend campaign & beyond. I loved how they were able to show that in the movie. In the hope of things getting better, they tend to get worse. The Warcraft story is kind of like a tragedy, but with just enough hope that the universe is not destroyed or devoid of good people. What are your thoughts on this? Did you like this change? Also if any other commenter pointed this out, I apologize. I did not read all the comments.
my own personal nitpicky lore change was that khadgar refers to dalaran as the "floating city," but in game lore dalaran wasn't lifted into the air until after the third war
Hey, in which WoW's expansion was all this story about creating the horde, Gul'dan, Ner'Zhull and opening the portal? If I remember well, WoW starts 30 or 40 years after those happen.
At last, a wise voice to clear out all the mess and confusion about the original wc1, wc2 manual lore, comic, novels, books and wow lore and movie new lore... thx so much Lore Master Nobbel :)
why is dalaran in the air? my understanding is it was on the ground just south of lordaeron where there is a crater. and after the attack from archimonde they made a magic bubble and later when malygos was moveing the laylines dalaran went to the sky to bring an end to the blue dragon aspect in northrend.
Here's a big flaw I found in the movie: When they are defending the portal to let the humans get through, the orcs go behind the portal and start banging at it in frustration of not being able to get to them. Well in the game you can go in the back of the portal so that is just a huge flaw that really ruined the story for me so much.
The fan service appearances of Grommash Hellscream and Kargath Bladefist where changes to the lore, as both of there clans where left behind on Draenor and didn't saw action until the end of the second war. So I really fan girled when I saw the both of them ^^
I think the reason for the difference is they wanted to keep the burning legion much more in the unseen background so that in future movies there can be a better reveal, and also the story seems to be more "orcs vs humans".
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I want to see an alternate universe where baby Thrall is found by Murlocs.
"I...am....BRBRURURUGLBBLGGLHHHLL!!!! Shaman of the Murlocs!"
+Lierofox The mrrglll-warder, gilled Jesus, or mrglchief of the horde, which do you prefer? Also, the wife said the exact same thing in the theatre at the credits
LOL
knowing murlocs they'd probably just eat him
FOR THE BLURGHMGHHGGHFFGA!
So many good easter eggs too!
-Summoning stone in elwynn
-Blizzard logo at the v. beginning containing Arthas, Frostmourne & other(s)
-Ironforge is *beautiful*
-Khadgar riding his griffin into Stormwind flight path
-Polymorph followed by "It only works on the simple minded, and it lasts for about a minute!"
-Murloc
-Harvest Golem in Westfall
-the fight between lothar, khadgar and medivh/sargeras played out like a boss fight in the game (phases)
-Khadgar 'dings' after defeating medivh (yellow glow after beating the fel corruption)
-Most of the horde chieftains having cameos (Grom, Killrogg, Bladefist is whom I've spotted, and was that Drek'Thar getting captured with Garona and then dying?)
-Rod of Atiesh is Medivhs staff
-Moroes in Kharazan!
-Boomstick named after The Highly Calibrated Boomstick in-game
-Toby Kebbel who plays Durotan also played Antonidas
and the wow loading screen music played in the end credits!
fav movie of 2016, next up Assassins Creed!. #gamerlyfe
i hope AC has some movie easter eggs too!
Thanks for sharing these. I didn't notice some. :)
Was that even drekthar?
Come to think of it I dont think it is, drek'thar is blind if I remember but the grey hair and dire wolf got me to think it was.
how cam you forget the fishing bobber at the end of the movie?!
Hey, Yogg-Saron, you mind? We're trying to watch the cutscene here.
Can somebody give a good reason why the hell Dalaran is a floating city before even the first opening of the Dark Portal?
so then it's recognizable by people who don't know shit about the lore i guess
Perhaps It would be too much, if Dalaran was located in the same zone (Hillsbrad Foothills) as Dunholde Keep, where Thrall is raised. It is around that place Thrall / Go'el was found in the end of the movie.
They tried to make a movie for everyone... yet they say this is a gift to the warcraft community.. peh
***** there are actually quite a few changed things, the wracraft movie retconned a lot
Duncan Jones said they filmed/built it, so he decided to use them. Also, a bit of fan servicing.
I think the worst character was Orgrim. I really love Orgrim and I hate what they did to him in the movie.
I the original story he was right hand of Blackhand and second in command of the Horde but he didn't trust Gul'dan and refused to drink the demon blood. Later, when Gul'dan was in a comma, he betrayed and killed Blackhand and took the mantle of Warchief of the Horde and conquered Stormwind, winning the first war. He was a hero for the Horde, he believed in honor, and he really cared for his people, unlike Gul'dan and Blackhand who only cared for power.
But in the movie he was a traitor to Durotan and didn't do anything important. A complete waste of a great character.
YES NOBBEL, I've been waiting for this video!
peon !!! :D love your vids
A wild Peon appears. Sadly no LazyPeon was found in the movie. :( "work, work!"
Drink... Lazypeon Claim your destiny..
THE LAZY PEON. WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN A COMENT SECTION
damn it guldan!
Nobbel87,
Id like to thank you creating amazing content over the years. Your vids have brought back some incredibly good memories of wow and after trying to find a comprehensive, detailed explanation/story for the entire warcraft lore [was terribly unsuccesful], i found your vid explaining this and very well by the way. I look forward to more vids on warcrafft lore and all the tiny details that only us vets of wow will ever understand.
thank you once again, much appreciated!
+Nobbel87 waarom heb je zo'n Nederlands accent?
def I have gotten so much more from Warcraft after watching your videos an learning the lore
Omdat hij Nederlander is
Yes thank you! I never played warcraft and MMO storytelling (especially earlier in the genre's development) is abysmal and your videos do a beautiful job at weaving everything together and orating it with your interested yet relaxed voice.
one of the coolest parts for me was when they went through the portal. I was like, ohhhh so this is what is happening when I see my loading screen
WHO Else things The Murloc Was The best part of The film
The entire theater busted out laughing at that lovely sound.
Ehm. Yeah, I mean obviously. It's a murloc man. That was the most detailed character in the movie. Mrglmrglmrgl!
+Rowan Turner (Sin) happened in my theater too ahaha
I enjoyed the Nat Pagle cameo and the accuracy of the Goldshire Inn layout. The murloc was fantastic though.
The cinema go-ers do not know the fear that noise instills in low level players.
Gotta tell you, that accent of yours adds some gravitas to the telling of the lore. Well done.
Im fine with most of the changes for the movie sake .. but turning Orgrim into the one who betrays Durotan was low :(
He didn't necessarily betray him. Not maliciously.
And he redeemed himself, so it's all good.
Whole Frostwolf clan on this side of the portal got slaughtered .. when humans arrive their corpes hangs in front of the camp. Orgrim let just Draka run away with little Goel, and in then end only he left.
I don't think they necessarily slaughtered all Frostwolves. Just the strongest warriors ("take the weak, kill the strong"), possibly the ones who went along with Durotan to the meeting in Blackrock pass.
Yeah doomhammer is one of my favorites
Thanks Nobbel, these were the exact questions that came up whilst watching the movie. Big fan of your work, long may it continue.
As a Horde player I was really disappointed they didn't burn Stormwind at the end of the movie T.T
Yes me too.. I don't think it will lead to the Alliance of londaeron
Dude, I'm full Alliance Paladin, and I'm fucking pissed that the city didn't burn as it should have!
It's more fuel to the fire that they showed Stormwind as it was rebuilt, rather than show Stormwind as it was originally built with the flaws in the defense walls that the Horde gradually broke through, wall by sectional wall, finally leading up to the keep... -.-
The current Stormwind set up is designed with the epic moat between two mountain ranges specifically for that reason... Never again will a huge army be able to "storm" Stormwind as it was originally done in lore... So for the movie to have shown it as it is now is just stupid because no Horde army will ever be able to penetrate that gate even with only half a legion of men defending it! It's too well designed from previous experiences... So if the Horde cannot burn Stormwind in movie lore, how the fuck does it make it past Elwind forest?! Bypassing Elwind entirely would just be stupid, as that would leave the Alliance with a "storm front" ;D from which to propel guerrilla warfare from as the Horde attempts to push northward towards Arathi via the Blackrock mountains and the Searing Gorge...
It's just all around ridiculous!
As a horde player...go fuck yourself.
Ignore the horde bait, I agree with Alex here and I'm also an Alliance player. Stormwind burning was a result of the King dying. It was also rebuilt by heavy taxes from Lordaeron after the second war ended which in the end resulted in some pretty meef'd peasants and the eventual rise of the Defias.
who says that doesn't happen starting the second movie? you know sequels exist bro.
Thanks Nobbel! I knew about some of this but were hazy on other parts! Was nice to have some of it cleared up! :)
I'm really pissed how they changed the story, no need for it.
AMEN!
If this was a remake, I would have been fine with it. But as a first installment, my warcraft lore fan is disappointing.
Zoroko "ignorant" Not sure you know the meaning of that word.
The original lore is no more for a movie than what they did. It could have easily been used for the movie.
The movie already skips a lot and the pacing is off.
Same
Too much? Not necessarily, they didn't have to include all the lore bits, they could have skipped them, as long as there EXISTENCE was still part of that universe. But instead they skipped over (As in didn't happen, not witness), and completely changed numerous important story points.
Its not about a story too much for a movie, it was about what was CHANGED.
good video nobbel! i loved the movie and im very happy that you make video about the changes between lore and the movie! keep it up :)
Nobbel isn't Medivh still possessed by Sargeras in the movie? The scene where he says he can't remember what he's done and the form he takes makes it seem like it's sargeras taking over not just simple fel
Well the biggest hint was that khadgar tells lothar that they need to go kill a demon, and it really seem like khadgar removes the demon from medivh and not just some fel energy
I want it to be sargeras so bad
Medivh looked more like Kil'Jaeden to me. And yea, it was Garona that mentioned Guldan learned from a demon, so maybe they just cut out Sageras for Kil'Jaeden. From what I can tell, all the changes were to shorten/simplify the story line; otherwise, it'd be a six hour movie. Personally, I wouldn't complain.
It looked nothing like KJ. He doesn't have those horns.
the Ashe and Fire would have been Mannoroth.
I think you hit them all! Those changes were the four big ones and by going into the game's version of all of them you covered pretty much everything.
The moment Khadgar and Medivh had that interaction in the font would've been a great moment to have Khadgar be magically aged.
The only real Warcraft movie is a movie done with animations that blizzard shows in trailers. It would be breathtaking to see warcraft for what it is, not a real life movie, but a fantasy world. I guess I can only dream.
finnaly someone that thinks the same :)
They said it would take too long to make I guess.
AMEN!
Do you know how much time that would take? You clearly have no idea how long just those few minutes of cinematics take. Grow up.
Yet still pixar makes fully animated movies.
Not including Ner'Zul from the movie was the greatest mistake.
Why ? In the original lore, he didn't participate in the First and the Second War.
Thank you for focusing on four differences in detail. By the way, your narration of the movie events is more thrilling than the scenes themselves, kudos.
Medivh in the movie looks like McJuggerNuggets
Medivh looks like a really deep stoner lmao
Holy shit it wasnt only me who thought that
Medivh went from Obi-Wan to David Guetta at Tomorrowland 2014
if i had a penny everytime they said guardian ...
LOL
This was AMAZING! Could you see maybe one day doing the rest of the changes? New subscriber and instant fan! :D
Game lore is better.
Well, yeah, they didn't have to fit the lore in a 2 hour time frame. Hell, the story is still going.
indeed...the movies lore is messy and they should have stayed with the real lore...many se-and prequels
They tried to fix the game's lore mess, but instead, they made another confusing lore.
what mess are you refering to?
of course it is. you will never be able to cramp up the entire first war story in 2 hours. if you expected that you're a dumbass XD.
I like to think of the movie as a retelling of a legend. The stories of legends change in the retelling until they become myth, but the important bits are always the same.
Thank you for this video, I highly enjoy it as I do all of your videos.
I'm actually curious, how they're going to make Orgrim the new Warchief of the Horde in the Sequel. 1. He's part of the Frostwolf Clan and not Blackrock, which already gives him a worse standing and he can't challenge Blackhand to Mak'Gora, since he's already dead.
He'll challange to Gul'dan since the Horde in the movie is his.
My guess is he'll remind the horde of Durotan's challenge in which Gul'Dan dishonoured the horde. With Garonas influence, the horde will turn on Gul'Dan and kill him. But I think Orgrim will die here. Hopefully the rest of the movie before this point builds up Thrall to succeed Ogrim with the weapon. And perhaps either he will be warchief.
Whereareyouroam goodsire That's an option. But if he kills Gul'Dan, he will never create the death knights though they play a major part in the Lich King story. Well, we don't know, but they'll probably handle it in some way.
pretty much in movie canon orgrim is too cowardly to challenge gul'dan ironically.
the bravest moment he had was saying mean things to gul'dan but that about it.
i don't think he'll be the warchief in sequel.
My guess is they make Hellscream warchief.
thank you for the upload nobbel; by the way on top of what you have mentioned a major difference is that blackhand is killed by doomhammer, who in turn becomes warchief ; after the alliance is formed by lothar they raid blackrock mountain (horde main camp) . lothar is pushed into a fight against doomhammer and doomhammer actually kills lothar; it is strange that turalyon (lothar 2nd in command) is not mentioned in this movie, as turalyon finishes what lothar started and wins the battle / war..
ok, can someone please explain to me again that part about Medivh's relation with Garona? in the game lore, is he her father or lover?
in game he was her lover, in the movie he's her father
Nobbel87: ah, I see. thank you.
Father, lover, what's the difference? :D
+Bindair Dundat My man! :D
That's messed up.
Thank you so much for making this video man!
Funny how the movie kept showing Grom but he never talked.
+Antikiliar Probably couldn't get the voice actor.
+KentCario There was a leaked scene, which didn't get into the movie. Grommash was talking about how Gul'dan's magic made him powerful
Wow..that sucks.
Really hope the extended version gets released! Want to see this scene. Alluding to all that stuff with Kil'jadden and Manneroth!
I'll be honest, some of the changes felt better in the movie so it's 50/50
yet the one i love more was how Garona kills the king. the original is summed up as 'Mind control' murder but the movie had more feeling behind it. The king wasn't just sitting around and knowing the fate, he did something that even Garona didn't want to do...but it worked in the end.
But that's me.
Hey Nobbel, huge fan, any how can you please explain to me the Aoldi scene, wasn't he a male high elf? Shouldn't that have been aegwyn in that weird box in dalaran? I have many questions about this, being a female human I feel like that should have been medivh's mother
I wish I could, but details are vague. It's certain that the name of the being inside the box is Alodi, Alodi being the name of the first guardian in the main universe. The rest...up for interpretation. I have no idea why Alodi decided to go into a box, perhaps it was a reflection for the source of the guardian's power? Could explain the scars of fel magic in her eyes considering that a guardian before Medivh did some massive resource on the fel. Like I said, it's been kept vague.
+Nobbel87 do we know that guardian's name? the one who used fel before Medivh
Quelen was the guardian's name
In the box? No that was Aoldi, the first Guardian.
You get a chance to get Glenn Close, you gender swap and use her.
Do you think you could do a video explaining the appearance of Alodi and that giant black monolith-looking thing in the movie?
Nerzhul communicated with his dead wife Rulkan. Kil'jaden posed as Rulkan and convinced Nerzhul that the Draenie was a threat. Thats why he united the clans and started to kill the Draenie.
I feel that rather than trying to squeeze so much lore into the space of a few hours for each movie, it would have been better to make a warcraft episodic series, possibly with each season devoted to each of the three wars, allowing enough time to provide exposition and character development.
Aka shit tons of money for a shit tv show?
well yeah, but at least we get more content than a two/three hour movie with each season, and if blizzard itself produced it, then maybe (some hope) they'll re-invest it into other projects (a.k.a for the love of god, give us warcraft 4 already, its been a decade+)
so apparently Alodi is a floating big black cube in the movie
dat bbc
Alodi is closed/hidden inside big black cube, in the movie..
Cube or old spirit/crone, I found it mighty odd anyway, considering Alodi in canon was the first guardian.
The one inside the cube is Aegwynn, Med'ivhs mother.
Yeah it looks like Aegwynn but theyhesheit says their name is Alodi
this guy is amazing, and i like his accent aswell, if you are reading this keep it up, your vids is the only thing still making me cling to everything warcraft related!
Anduin being the one to kill Blackhand instead of Orgrim was bullshit. Now how the hell is Orgrim supposed to become Warchief in the sequel?
one of the biggest changes for me: Dalaran already flying!?!?
So what.
+Mark Lee That's what I think. There were way more significant changes which had an overall bigger impact on the story than Dalaran already flying.
Dalaran already flying will make sure that they can never make movies about Arthas. That is why I find it so stupid.
Robin AH
They can still do that. Movie by movie the story will continue to alter from the original game plot anyway, so I don't see how this is supposed to prevent anything major. Nevertheless I see your point.
Well.....yes and no.....I mean remember the scourge is supposed to invade Dalaran at some point later on in the story......so yea that's gonna get weird if it's flying already
hey Nobbel, to me it seemed like they didnt really changed the lore of medivh having Sergaras spirit inside of him. When Medivh fights Lothar and Khadgar he turned into a demon and I feel like the woman that tells Khadgar about medievh is actually Medivh mother...also do you think Stormwind will not fall now seeing as they didnt do much to introduce Lordaeron and how they changed the death of the king
His mother wasn't too directly responsible for his downfall. She seeks council of King Llane and informs him, not Lothar or Khadgar, of his betrayal. Garona who has a "relationship" with Medivh also helps Lothar and Khadgar take him down. In addition, Medivh purposely surrounded himself with people that could/would stop him. While, yes, it's relatively the same, the stark difference dampens the story (for me anyway.). Especially since Garona is such a dynamic character that gains so much throughout that story arc, (love interest(s), family, etc) only to lose it all in the end because of Gul'dan and his dealings.
yeah I was disappointed, the actual fight against against medivh, khadgar rapidly aging... garona her significant other trying to kill him and Lothar his friend overcoming the pain of being burned alive just to deal the killing blow... dumbed down to a silly typical and unispired drop something on the bad guy straight out of loony toones scene...
Nah, the woman in the box was Alodi. It is said so in the official movie novelization.
But, Alodi was a dude? Right?
Harukoon92 It was.
One of the main things I noticed was Dalaran already being a floating city in the movie. In the games, it took much longer to move the city. I feel like they barely even touched on Dalaran in the movie. I think most things in the movie are only understood by fans like us. Which is great for us but it explain low critic review scores too.
I really really really hope the movie's canon does not end up being the main canon.
Today, I literally was thinking "I wonder if I should ask Nobbel if he'd do a lore video about the differences between the Warcraft movie and the canon..."
You sir, are amazing. The best Warcraft content creator ever. Bravo.
best lore youtuber
I truly enjoy your videos! Thank you.
There's a lot of changes but it seems like it all has the same result. Just a different path to reach the same conclusion.
Actually no. Nobel kinda copped out to make things seem similar when they really weren't. I mean stormwind is supposed to be destroyed but in the movie it's not even touched.
+yobigmac Stormwind is supposed to be destroyed after Llane's death. It's a bad way to end movie 1 and a perfect way to start movie 2. The movie just doesn't cover the whole first war (which nobody ever claimed it would). What do you think will all the orcs do next now that most of them got ported and the king's army is decimated?
I think he over emphasized some of the differences, especially the first one. All of that Legion backstory almost certainly happened in the movie, they just weren't able to show it. Of the whole first point the only real difference in Doomhammer and the single Draenei
That was interesting. Poor drenai. They are one of my favorite races. Medivh is an interesting character. I am glad they put him in the movie. I remmber his mother, even though she never apears.
I think Sargeras is inside Medivh they just didnt say it yet becouse they didnt want to overload the genal audince with info
I honestly love a lot of the change of the Warcraft movie in term of lore. The Durotan development was easily the best change that I believe should be canon.
wait wait wait. Medivh is Garona's father in that book? ... Well that makes Medan even odder now doesn't it?
I thought that opening scene with the dreanei asking Gul'dan to "let her child go" was an hint to her being half dreanei with the dreanei in the cage being Gerona's mother. ... I really hope they recon that Medivh being her father thing that makes ... so little sense. I mean the Dark Portal was not even open yet! How did Medivh get there!
Impossible to say if Medan becomes part of the movie universe. If he does, i'd imagine they go with Lothar as the father instead of Medivh. The novel has Garona and Lothar spending the night together
Except Garona's father is not Medivh nor is she half human. She's a result of Gul'dan's experimentation where he bred his male Orc warriors and Draenei females
We're talking about the movie universe, dum-dum.
Medan is almost 100% retconned, because his storyline was heavily disliked by everyone and his mere existence just makes everyone question the way the legion even exists right now, he is all but officially retconned, and hopefully it will be official soon (i say this because there is no mention of him anywhere outside the comics he turned up in)
I made a Top 3 Things I loved and hated video about what they changed. But overall I think people can become quite defensive about changes in the Lore and I fully understand that. After all, they've been growing up with this story, then it has another version in WoD and now in the Movie. Person can never know what to believe. Lucky there's Nobbel with his unlimited knowledge :D
Does Gul'dan still lead the Horde by the end of the movie?
Yes and interestingly enough, someone mentioned a difference between the written novel and audio version. Audio version describes Garona as the new warchief, novel does not. Makes sense if they want to go that route, have her take the roll of Doomhammer from main universe, try to lead the Horde down a more honorable path.
Nooooooooooooo !! :( That would suck.We want Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer. FOR DOOMHAMMER !!!!!
lol if they did this it would probably be because of a misguided attempt to cater to feminazis or something
Drink Nobbel.. claim your destiny..
....and what, Gul'dan, would he give in return?
thanku nobbel thought it was just me with changes it was sending me nuts ...explained it to so many half didn't understandas didn't play long enough ty massive hugs
Did anyone else feel like Doomhamer was absolutely useless in the movie? He didn't do anything at all. He was just...there.
No, he betrayed Durotan. Than he freed him. Than he gave sperch that Thrall, I mean Gul'dam cheated.
FOR DOOMHAMMER!
so was nerzul grommash and killrog as well as kargath
plus the dwarfs and nightelves as well
Nydarious Shade I didn't notice Killrogg anywhere, but I did see Kargath and Grom.
Regardless of the lore changes, it was still fun to watch. I can't wait to see Quel'Thalas and the Tomb of Sargeras.
12:51 Blackhand lost his hand because he failed and was going to be killed Fel "execution" when Durotan cut his hand off.
Actually, no. Lothar shot Blackhand's hand off with the boomstick. Blackhand THEN put it in the fel fire, which mostly cauterized the wound.
Resention
He shot some fingers and a piece of the palm off with the boomstick, Durotan cut it off whole when it was being consumed by the fel.
Blackhand was forced by Gul'dan and Orc Tradition to do ritual suicide because he fled the battle as commander. When he put his damaged hand in to the fel it started to eat it's way through his arm going for the rest of the body.
Which basically cost him his hand. :P It was a bloody, mangled mess. I get what you're saying, but Nobbel's right in saying it was Lothar.
I have played for so many years, not being interested in the lore but after i saw the movie i have been watching your videos, and they helped me understand the lore, thanks =)
Well, for me movie sucked ass. Because they potentially killed 2 strongest lore storylines: Arthas and Thrall. We wouldn't see scourge as Ner'Zhul wasn't punished by Kil'Jedan and became the Lich King, so no threat for Lordaeron and no one to fuck up Arthas. And Thrall never becomes warchief as Blackhand is dead and it is very unlikely for Ogrim to kill Gul'Dan and become Warchief, also no frostwolves left so no one will teach Thrall shamanism. Well, I was disappointed with lore changes. Also one lore change that made me mad: Khadgar not getting old. Him getting old was a way to show how powerful Khadgar was, as he managed to purge himself from fel with arcane magic and looking old is an effect of this.
everything ended with almost the same result so ofc theyll manage to bring arthas as the lich king, and with the same logic thrall will become warchief and a shaman too. Remember this movie just showed the same results but not the same ways of how it happened in the actual lore, i personally liked, but thats another story xD
So yeah a warcraft movie "chain" without arthas isnt warcraft so youll see that theyll manage to get the lich king into the movie
They can still do all this stuff... Just as they did with this movie, they just make it easier for the audience to digest. They will probably just make frostmourne the cause of the scourge. And orgrim will have a great role in the influence of Thrall. I think that Thrall will discover his shamanistic roots by being connected to the doomhammer. If you notice the weapon wasn't given the spotlight it deserves. Maybe it is being saved for the moment thrall picks it up and 'awakens' it.
We're... still gonna get the lich king and thrall. There's no reason to think it won't happen.
Ner'Zhul punishment isn't even happening at this time. It happens after the lost second war, when he tries to open more portals into different worlds in the search for power and then get's ripped to shreds leaving only his mind behind by Kil'jaeden after entering one of the mentioned portals. Also iirc he and his clan stayed behind on draenor.
yeah also that
I would like to say that the lore of Warcraft is a perfect mirror of our own history. Tales are retold, details change, but the heart of the message stays the same. If the loremasters of the game take a moment and look at it from this perspective perhaps they will see the essence of story is sometimes more important than the details.
While it saddens me a bit that the movie is so different from the game-lore, I understand why they did it. If they were to follow the original lore it would just take too long and would've fit in a movie (sort of like movies based on books, it would be awesome if they could keep everything but a book is simply too long to fit in a movie) That said, I actually liked the movie, seeing in-game places and stuff on the big screen was so cool!
#NERDGASM
I hope they come out with another Warcraft movie, I would like to see where they would take the story
Anyone dying to see if blizzard makes a lich king movie ? 😍
If the assholes do the same shit, i bet Tirion Fordring would be the new lich king (In the movie) and will butcher lore even more. ¬¬
I hated the movie because of the lore changes. I didn't want to see Warcraft: Reimagined, I wanted to see the old story on the big screen.
Thank you , thank you, thank you!
They didn't have the final result, stop pretending like you know what you're talking about and get the fuck off my comment.
+Andrew Sandstrom it's simply infuriating that we had WoD to already tell the story in an alternate setting. Then the film, which openly invites new players to WoW, tells the story in an alternate setting. So Blizzard has invited incredible amounts of ignorant players now to WoW to no fault of their own because they will start playing through WoD content and then be told that that is not how it originally played out either. I get so pissed even looking at this whole situation. It is such a cluster-fuck.
+Andrew Sandstrom it's simply infuriating that we had WoD to already tell the story in an alternate setting. Then the film, which openly invites new players to WoW, tells the story in an alternate setting. So Blizzard has invited incredible amounts of ignorant players now to WoW to no fault of their own because they will start playing through WoD content and then be told that that is not how it originally played out either. I get so pissed even looking at this whole situation. It is such a cluster-fuck.
That's what I wanted too but I'm fine with it. You realize Warlords of Draenor did basically the same thing right? They re-write history all the time since Cata.
the only part of the movie that bugged me is dalaran floating before the 3rd war.
Now we get to see Archimonde slam dunk it out of the sky.
Well, it wasn't until WotLK when that happened, but that didn't really change how things happened.
Invincible has wings doesn't he? LMAO
Use your imagination, ppl. Just as one of the possibilities: some corrupt Kirin Tor mage drops the city from the sky and then everything happens as it was in the game. Or Archimonde destroys it when it's in the skies, because he uses magic to do it and doesn't give a fuck if it's floating or not.
The biggest change to me was :
In the movie they described Stormwind as the largest human kingdom that has helped all the others. Where in actual lore, Stormwind was the smallest and so far south that all other nations ignored their sister city. When Stormwind called for aid against the Horde, the rest of the Human nations ignored the plea.
Also there was no "alliance" with dwarves or elves until after Stormwind is long destroyed. Only reason the elves joined the war effort at all was because Lothar is a descendant of the Arathi Bloodline. Dwarves and Gnomes did not come to the aid until unified Alliance broke the Horde siege of Iron Forge near the end of the 2nd War.
My favourite bit MRGLMRGLMRGLE XD
To start, I would like to say I thought the movie was amazing and well done. However, there were a couple of lore changes that you didn't mention that bugged me. The first major one was that Medivh and Khadgar didn't know each other when in the Last Guardian novel, Khagdar was Medivh's apprentice and he slowly learned that Medivh was not alone in his body. The other major lore change was Medivh rapidly ages Khadgar's body after their final showdown. Thanks for the video!
The movie was amazing but some of the lore choices were terrible indeed....
i really didnt thought that any of the lore was terrible.
what part that changed you think was terrible and why?
no fall of stormwind, that is a huge change that i dont like.
They have do change things more and more so that there will be a lich king or a shamanistic thrall.
Rower Well the fall of stormwind could still happen in the next video, and the alliance that Lothat will make
He did really not make a Alliance between the races in this one, nobbel was doing some drugs i think lol
not many may have noticed this and i didnt notice this until i rewatched the movie several times.
the scene where blackhand sacrifices his hand and when it begins to burn, you can see in the background to his left what appears to be a silhouette of mannoroth.
watch it.
9:24 I had a good laugh at that scene. It's like "welp he was already basically Green Moses with how he was raised by the enemy but ultimately lead his people to the promised land of Durotar, but let's _really_ cement it."
Ty for making this. I heard there were lore changes, but I'm a lore noob, so I couldn't tell the difference.
The part where Gul'dan kills the deer to save Thrall was hilarious. I like how the director changed what was wrong in the trailer and made it even better.
Great video once again. I would love to see one about possible storylines for a sequel!
Also, does the novel go deeper into the fate of the orcs still on Draenor? Given the spearhead on Azeroth consists most likely only out of their best warriors, around 3/4 of them(given the scene in the movie) in addition to their old ones and children are still left behind!
have not seen the movie yet but really enjoyed this ty and I am glad with the garona changes her not having all those curses on her from gul'dan cho'gull and sargaras makes her story for me way better
Yes! Great Nobbel you tell us differences we missed
To nobbel87, your voice talking about cernarius, actually worked getting a live bat out of my house. Thank you very much.
Finally the video I've been waiting for!
Personally, I can think of a really good explanation of the changes between game and movie lore. The alternative timelines, explained on many occasions by bronze dragons both in novels (Twilight of the Aspects is most detailed concerning this specific issue) and in the game itself (Caverns of Time and, for sure, entire WoD expansion). Actually, I think now that it may be another reason, WoD was ever created (most of us agree it's a crappy expansion)... so that the idea of multiple timelines was fresh in fans' minds upon the movie's release, thus making all the lore changes more tollerable. And, as such, it is totally fine to have two different stories in game and on the big screen, as from the beginning they would be two alternative timelines. I'd even be happy if in some of the sequels, a bronze dragon (hands up for Chromie!) appeared and specifically confirmed it. It would be a really nice easter egg from Blizzard towards the players. Nicer even than murloc and polymorph, I think.
I liked the movie's story better. Like it that Garrona didn't have magic put on her to force her to do it and instead it was the king knowing that they were doomed if she did not kill him and work to bring peace to the orcs and humans from a high power position for the orcs. Just like it with the idea that it was their choice because they can have people passionate on the human side saying that wasn't a good choice if they even believe her. Also from the movie I can see them adding parts from the actual story line like Madiev having the spirt of sargares corrupt him. They may just not have known that it was a demon and figure it's easier to blame the fel magic for the people in the story trying to find a explanation. Going to use another comment for what I wish changed
The whole time I was in the movie, I was thinking "When are they going to explain what other half is Garona? Will she hook up with Medivh in the next movie?" The fact he is her father is kind of an important thing to cut out... I hope we get a director's cut with all the content that was removed!
Hey Nobbel!
I'm a long time viewer & a 1st time commenter.
SPOILER WARNING!!!
I really enjoyed the movie & I even enjoyed the changes from the lore (although I would have loved to see Orgrim smash Blackhand's skull with Doomhammer & claim mantle of Warchief, but i digress). The one change that really got to me was the death of King Llane. Llane hoped to take a chance at peace by having Garona kill him & gain her honor among the Horde, but in doing so, survivors (i.e. Lothar) were able to tell the Alliance that Llane was betrayed by Garona & further intensify the hatred towards the Horde.
I have long thought that the story of Warcraft is like a commentary on our world. We are different nations separated by culture, borders, and sometimes distrust. Sometimes we can come together to take on dangerous threats, but there are many things that further divide us.
There have been plenty of examples of this in the Warcraft lore. Take the events at Wrath Gate: Horde & Alliance came together to take on the Lich King but a splinter group w/in the Forsaken killed Alliance & Horde alike. This event further increased the distrust between the 2 factions throughout the Northrend campaign & beyond.
I loved how they were able to show that in the movie. In the hope of things getting better, they tend to get worse. The Warcraft story is kind of like a tragedy, but with just enough hope that the universe is not destroyed or devoid of good people.
What are your thoughts on this? Did you like this change?
Also if any other commenter pointed this out, I apologize. I did not read all the comments.
that what i want to point out ! Thanks Nobbel !
a lot of plots change , raise of the horde , the last guardian ... and Med'an
Haven't found this anywhere, any explanation how Thrall was floating in the river from Swamp Of Sorrows to Hillsbrad Foothills?
my own personal nitpicky lore change was that khadgar refers to dalaran as the "floating city," but in game lore dalaran wasn't lifted into the air until after the third war
No one believed me when I told them about Garona in the lore Vs Garona in the movie. Thank you for making this
very good and clear summary for the plot difference. thanks
Watched an hour ad before this a pilot of a show called Animal Kingdom, i wonder if I was the only one to see this ad yet
thank you for connecting the dots.
Nobbel, can you please explain Alodi in the movie adaptation? There isn't that much of information in the movie about her! Cheers from Sweden!
duratan also had his arms cut off so he could never hold his child.
I like the Movie and the changes don't bother me, the Movie is its own Universe. Great Video, thanks :)
Good to see both Blizz + community set details right, so the truth [in-game lore] never gets forgotten or obscured! :)
You are asweome, keep up the good work mate ;).
Hey, in which WoW's expansion was all this story about creating the horde, Gul'dan, Ner'Zhull and opening the portal? If I remember well, WoW starts 30 or 40 years after those happen.
At last, a wise voice to clear out all the mess and confusion about the original wc1, wc2 manual lore, comic, novels, books and wow lore and movie new lore... thx so much Lore Master Nobbel :)
why is dalaran in the air? my understanding is it was on the ground just south of lordaeron where there is a crater. and after the attack from archimonde they made a magic bubble and later when malygos was moveing the laylines dalaran went to the sky to bring an end to the blue dragon aspect in northrend.
Here's a big flaw I found in the movie:
When they are defending the portal to let the humans get through, the orcs go behind the portal and start banging at it in frustration of not being able to get to them. Well in the game you can go in the back of the portal so that is just a huge flaw that really ruined the story for me so much.
I doubt the Orcs could have ran through the front of the portal either, it was probably being protected by Medivh during his chanting of the portal.
at least they tried
The fan service appearances of Grommash Hellscream and Kargath Bladefist where changes to the lore, as both of there clans where left behind on Draenor and didn't saw action until the end of the second war.
So I really fan girled when I saw the both of them ^^
I think the reason for the difference is they wanted to keep the burning legion much more in the unseen background so that in future movies there can be a better reveal, and also the story seems to be more "orcs vs humans".