The Devinci Chainsaw is the Wrong Mountain Bike - 2023 Review
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- Опубліковано 1 гру 2023
- D.O.D. gets his hands on a Devinci Chainsaw to see if it lives up to the legacy of the greatest Canadian DH racer in this nation’s history.
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Something about hearing “entry level bike” and seeing a 5,800 dollar price tag just boggles my mind for a pedal bike.
Its entry level into a traditionally expensive and niche segment, a hardtail with modern geometry would be better for a budget.
MTB entry level is actually somewhere a bit below 1000€ for a new bike. For some reason most of MTB media has this same really strange view of price categories. Not even road cyclists think 2000€ is a reasonable price for an entry level bike and we're supposed to be the ones who get rightfully made fun of for equipping ourselves like we're going to the Tour de France next week.
That's not even an entry level price for a motorcycle! 😄
5.8k is not entry level, it's more like the entry level to the top
@@ElementofKindness that's a damn near brand spanking new 250, pick your flavor
"For the kids to get out and ride" - a 6 grand bicycle with subpar brakes and other quirks that you need to get adapted to a lot.
Rrrrrright, makes total sense.
Does it take a lot of adapting? I thought these high pivot bikes have really good pedaling efficiency with really active suspension behavior and good anti dive as well.
It's like what Polygon has been doing with their Collosus and Xquareone series.
I have one from a few years ago, it's the wrong size, L instead of S, but it still feels right when I'm on it. So right that I commute on it as well.
They just seem to do everything for you, like the bike adapts to whatever you want to do instead of you having to adapt.
I rode one of my neighbors forbidden druid once, felt a lot like my bike. Just a little weird since it has less rear travel and more front travel than mine.
Enduros aren't that popular here, even 140mm is considered a bit overkill for the trails here.
@@Rose_Butterfly98 The issue is the price for purpose. When I was a kid I rode a $40 mountain bike in the back trails all the time and had a blast. To expect parents to drop 6 grand for something you can do for less than 1 is wild.
@@TDPEquinox 4.7k, not really 6k.
But anyways, De Vinci has cheaper bikes like xc bikes which most people start on anyway. Like kids who have reached adult bike size.
Like my Polygon Plateau 3.0 a cross country bike.
There aren't any $40 bikes anymore not even hypermarket bikes are that cheap nowadays. Inflation and what not.
Lots of parents buy 2k bikes for their children. Mine was only 700 on discount, full suspension xc bike, our currency is similar to CAD in value.
I got my bike later when I got an internship.
@@TDPEquinoxI agree, but that might be because I don't see the value in a $4700 bike.
I'm ~40 and still rock a $120 Kmart bike at the local downhills. Do the other bikes ride like butter compared? Oh yeah.. Do I have to work harder to keep up? Yep.. Am I having an absolute blast all the same? You betcha!
Full disclosure; Trust in the bike is terrifyingly low, even though it's never actually failed on me other than the chain bouncing off a few times.
There's no reason any of this bike stuff should cost so much, and we are seeing it in them tanking in the current market.
That being said, a $200 kmart bike for this type of riding is a waste of money. It probably even has a little sticker that tells you not to ride it off the sidewalk...
Hey Fortnine, welcome to MTB content, here are some pointer's:
- You have to say the words Bro, and Sick, way more often, wayyyy more often.
- Seems like you put out a pretty objective review here, that's actually a no-go, you need to please potential sponsors.
- These trails are SICK
There's a distinct lack of YEEEEWS! and braps. 2/10 would not watch again.
If only the original poster in this thread came with subtitles for the hard of “enthusiast”
Another important pointer: sarcasm in the comments section must not be tolerated.
Also, make all maintenance videos 8 minutes longer than they need to be while underexplaining how the bike works
And don't forget to go against the ''man'' and crazy prices while dog whistling us to spend the money or feel like loosers.
Thats not a motorbike
No but it's definitely nice
Whilst amazing, the channel primarily exists to promote the store that created it. They now do mountain bikes, their UA-cam channel has nearly 2m subscribers…. hence the promoting of the MTB’s
They’ve gradually been adding them in more and more over the year. Tbh I think it needs its own channel, but I suspect they might be using the popularity of this one to test the waters first
You have a keen eye for details. Do you sit in the front of class at school with the other smart kids?
@@Bobby-wn5yrI do hope fortnine will start selling beauty products. Would love to see Ryan reviewing some fancy scrub or nail polish hahahaha
@@Heivangcheeky, but amusing…
I've not ridden a self-powered two wheeler for 30 years, and have no plans to change that. But mate the FortNine production values with someone who is passionate and knowledgeable about their subject, and I've been captivated for the whole video. Excellent video, as always, and keep making videos you're proud of and would want to watch. :)
The last line of your comment is great, I 100% agree!
Ah Shucks... You're makin us blush. Thanks for staying tuned!!
I'll try and work my KTM 990 into more stuff. ;)
D.O.D F9
Pin this!
You are missing out my friend. Mountain bike is a whole other kind of fun, but it's as fun as a motorcycle. Best part is, you don't have to 'pick', as you can do both!!!
Their scripts are fantastic. Tongue in cheek jokes galore.
Its called the chainsaw, because its for helping you cut trees down with your face
that comment really made me laugh out loud, great job 😂
And the saw part is for the past tense, because if you see it coming, then you can "lay 'er down..."
Best comment
It ain’t for the ICE 🏍️
😂😂😂😂😂
God its still so crazy to me how expensive bikes can be, my daily driver was 60 bucks and a big mac, and that beauty's been my primary vehicle for years
it takes the bicycle, the most cheap and simple medium of transport, and make it expensive and complicated. Is the most backwards thing in the world.
Biking in Amsterdam was so damn fun, but even the rental bike I did 60+Km a day on would have only been like 3-400€ if I bought it
I feel like I just dont understand the point of expensive bikes? Granted, im Fat, so I never do any stunts because I dont trust my rackety bundle of rust to not break apart if I jumped off anything, but I realy cant image what the big diffrence between a 100 and a 1000€ bike is, if you arent allready very used to cyclicng @@sys-administrator
Mine was $100 but being a 250lb man in good shape I wanted a bike that would not snap when I go full power out of a red light or do some light off roading. The 29" wheels also add stability when I am going 40 down steep hills!
High end mountain bikes are way different than daily drivers. If you ride a real mountain bike trail on a cheap bike, it'll scare you enough to want to shell out a couple grand for a high end mountain bike.
@@f3rny_66 as if its not the same with everything, you can walk barefoot or you buy expensive Vaporflys. Most backward thing in the world huh
Bicycle prices are insane. There is no sense in which a $6k pricetag gets more kids out riding. Developing a love for riding happens on the bike you get for a few hundred from a sports store. Make that bike better and make sure Mom goes home with the right size for junior and you will have gotten more kids to love riding.
They have those, its called a bmx bike. A full suspension trail bike has never nor will it ever be entry level.
there's plenty of cheaper options though they're usually hardtails so on rear suspension as that cuts cost. if all one wants to do is get out and ride then you can easily find a decent bike around 500bucks used, on sale or just with some research and luck then hit the trails but spending more will sometimes give better quality and newer features but usually it'll be for extra bells and whistles
This is more for adults than children though, so that argument doesn't really make sense in this situation.
There are numerous high school based cross country mountain bike racing programs in the US that get kids out on the trails. Typical bike ridden is a sub 1k hardtail mountain bike.
@@kuma_score7536"decent"
"500 dollars" "cheap" dont really fit well into a sentence
Great review from a rider who understands how bike geometry affects performance on the trail. I ride both pedal and gas power bikes. This is a nice addition to the channel. Well done.
Same and I'm excited for them to bring their quality content to mountain bikes.
@@SomeBody-pb7htYes. I had no idea what he was talking about.
@@SomeBody-pb7ht. No doubt, but I selfishly enjoy the new content.
@@SomeBody-pb7htno not really…. I’m too old and fat to start riding pedal bikes fast, but don’t mind learning a bit about them and know that motorbikes are also on the channel…. You can have your cake and eat it too! When I was younger I went up a mountain on a mountain bike with some bicycle friends. At the top I was huffing and puffing like an old man… I told them I’d kick their ass on the way down. They laughed and said this isn’t motorbiking, it’s different. So I kicked their ass on the way down, really kicked it, waiting for 10 minutes, kicked it. Moral of the story… we have a lot more in common than we think.
As a roadie and a motorcyclist I love this. Original review that's actually objective! Holy $%(U$ the cycling community needs this! I'm here for giving this guy his own channel so he can rip up bikes and bring the truth! Keep up the good work! I'm not a MTN guy at all, but I would watch more! Would love to see some road bikes ripped up or loved too! I'd always said 2 wheel folks should stick together, and that includes our "bro" dirty friends.
He could ease in to the road bikes by trying out a gravel bike or two.
It'd be great to watch this guy dish out some objective opinion on something like a human-powered SLR9 or S-works Aethos (at way over 2x the price of this chainsaw) and help separate function from fantasy, like how each of those cost more than a Ninja 1000SX.
yeah the industry was going slacker and longer for a while. and it was great to hear him ask for a bike that came out in 2005
Just wait till you here my opinions on road stuff... I'm part Velominati.
See rule #9 and replace "training" with "youtube videos"
-D.O.D F9
I never thought that watching a review about a bicycle could be so informative and entertaining. This guy is good.
I never thought I would think of fortnine video sucks but here I am. There's so much about this video that's awful idk where to start
@BodieMoto usually people who have nothing to say don't know where to start, it's hard to go somewhere when you don't even have anything to start with
So weird that I'm getting back into mountain biking as Fortnine is branching out. Rob Warner commentary was a soundtrack to an era! Just love this channel!
I have no interest in pushbikes but Fortnine has killed it with another fun presenter so i'm all for it! Looking forward to more content
Learnt a lot about problems I have no intention of encountering! Nice to know about Stevie, seems he was a really great guy.
Check out the Redbull Documentary called Chainsaw. It's wonderful, but keep a box of tissues nearby.
DOD F9
To keep it short, Stevie is just a happy guy who loves bikes and friends it just happens that he was really fast.
Also he was the First and Last Canadian to Win a World Cup.
Generally, I really dgaf about bicycles, but I really like this host and the content he's been bringing. It's gotten me into watching POV mountain bike videos and still has a similar vibe as the motorbike ones.
They are basically as capable as a dirt bike these days, but you can ride them almost anywhere, where in a lot of places, especially in the western US thats not necessarily the case
@@coreygolpheneee Only as capable when going downhill lol. They are nimbler though, so arguably even better than dirtbikes🤔
EASILY the most fun you can have while getting some physical activity in. Everyone should have a reasonable bicycle!
was expecting to see a chainsaw engine fabricobbled to it...
You’re not alone in that thinking
Same. Didn't Husqvarna make a motorcycle at one time?
@@bjb7587Husqvarna still makes motorbikes: 701 enduro, 701 supermoto, svartpilen, vitpilen ...
Exactly what I was hoping for...
@@bjb7587 They make many motorcycles, primarily for off-road use
FINALLY! I have always watched F9 despite being an MTB rider not having anything to do with Motorcycles. The production is so good and there are so many useful bits of information, that I really liked the channel even if the actual subject it covered had nothing to do with my interests. Stoked to see you doing MTB content, this may well become the go to place for unbiased, no nonsene gear review and more! Looking forward to it!
Yeah from the other side of not really doing alot of mountain biking ever, giving this guy a chance seems like it'll still be the same channel.
As someone who spend time on motorcycles and mountain bikes, I love seeing more mtb content on this channel... (Also, if you 'only' ride motorcycles, or you 'only' ride mountain bikes, you own it to yourself to cross over to the other side - both are wicked fun)....
Facts
Hell yes! If it's got two wheels I'm game.
I'm a motorcyclist and a bicyclist. All off-road these days. So this video was welcome and educational. No complaints at all.
Same
Same here. The crossover is useful although i descend way quicker on my mountain bike. Downhill on dirtbike with basically an idling engine is awkward and way less fun.
As an avid mountain biker and motorcyclist, I really appreciate this review. Geometry specs don’t mean much to me when I see them on paper, but you did such a great job translating them to the actual performance of the bike. As a consumer, I wish all bikes had this kind of review.
Interesting looking motorcycle you got there…
YOU are the motor
how many CC, my license says i cant ride more than 69@@tychormthorp
@@someguy4708 average human lung capacity is 5.8 liters ;)
This is exactly what bicycle review YT should be. Glad to see it. What we've been getting on bike review YT is basically the marketing sheet with some B roll and generic "this one gooder than last year" conclusions
I personally prefer the "They sent me the bike", but it's not a "sponsored" video, review where they puke sunshine all over the thing. They somehow mysteriously end up at an amazing biking destination vacation location, with the free bike. Then knit pick one little thing, like we can't tell they are shills for free bikes to ride on free vacations.
Berm Peak is a great antidote.
@@richwiebe8084 Berm Peak is one of my favorite channels. I don't mountain bike but I love his content.
It might not be motobikes, but it's still Fortnine and a well done review. F9s version of Jason Cammisa me thinks
@@travsudz4544 The amount of motorbike content hasn't decreased (it's increased even thanks to #45). They just added mountain bike content as well. Now they're releasing videos way more often.
@@travsudz4544 F9 sells mountain bike stuff now so this is a natural evolution of their content. And if that's enough of a change for you to cry and leave like the entitled millennial you are....bye....you won't be missed.
@@Sturmjager Seems odd. Just my anecdotal experience but there doesn't look to be much crossover between the motorcycle audience and the biking audience. Maybe I'm wrong. Stopped this video 3 min in. I'll just watch the motorcycle content from here on out. F9 is fine but bicycles bore me and at these prices they're pushing offensive. lol
It looks well done, just needs it's own channel.
@@piquat1The crossover isn’t the viewers, it’s the FortNine store.
This is a UA-cam channel run by a shop brand. They started with gear reviews, then branched off into the bikes themselves, but the point has always been to drive Canadian customers to their stores. You start watching because Ryan did a really good review of the Continental GT, so when you wanted some new gloves, you listened to Ryan’s review of the best gloves of 20xx, and followed the link. If they inspire new riders, or people to ride more, even better. It’s like how Michelin got into grading restaurants so people would go through tyres faster driving to them.
Now FortNine sells bicycle gear. So bicycle content is joining the channel. It gets it off the ground immediately for any crossover audience, and promotes cycling and motorcycling to the other audiences
@@piquat1 Lots of motorcycle riders ride pedal bikes too, on road or off, to get in, or stay in, shape. Yammie is an avid road cyclist, and others too.
Wait what the fuck fortnine is doing mountain bike reviews now???
As someone with 40 years in the bike trade, you are so right. The new geo that companies are pushing are so out of whack for most riders.
Road or mtn, the showrooms are chock full of stuff that's not really what works best for you - but it looks GOOD, has bling and the sales folk aren't gonna steer you away if you don't know better.
New school geometry is quite amazing, but it really needs the right set up to shine.
Been riding steady since the early 80s. Bikes are faster, better, safer and more reliable now. Pricing is obviously a bit hard to swallow but I did buy a '90 Kona Hot w no suspension for $2200. Good bikes have always been pricey.
there are still loads of ‘trail bikes’ with shorter wheelbases for sale.
This is not a trail bike. It is a DH/super enduro bike for going fast and steep.
You're just wrong. Straight up lol
I fully intended on coming here and ripping on FortNine for another non-motorcycle video, but dangit if this wasn't just more good content. I don't MB ride, I have no intention of dropping some hard earned motor driven 2 wheeled vehicle budget money on something I have to petal, but I thoroughly enjoyed this vid and had to concede that as I have been continually worried that FortNine was going to lower quality by expanding in presenters and scope, I just wanted to say in my opinion, they (Ryan and Team) are still nailing it, and I hope they keep up the good work.
My first encounter with Steve was back in 2000 at the Nanimo BMX track for the Gold Cup Qualifier. I was 21 racing Cruiser and BMX and top in my classes. we were all sessioning the large first straight triple and having a bit of issues clearing it or speed roll manualing it cause the lip was so tall. . . Then Steve shows up, he was like 12 years old or so and hits it like hes on a 2 stroke dirt bike!!! Clears it!! Kid was a legend then and still is!
This is the kind of video DOD should be making. He's clearly passionate and knowledgeable about mountain bikes and biking and able to communicate that clearly.
Good job to him and the crew behind the scenes.
Being both a motorcyclist and a mountainbiker, i love this kind of content
The lack of a number tag on the presenter means that we will see him again? I hope so, he's good.
Waiting all week on a new video from Fortnine.... It's another bicycle video......
D.O.D is a welcome addition to the crew and an even more welcome change from the "feels good in the hand" type reviews MTBs get. Not that I know, but from what I know. Well done sir!
Maybe it's just me but I watch F9 for moto content and Ryan. Happy they're branching out but hope they maybe make a separate channel. F9-MTB maybe?
very stoked to see the cinematic mastery of fortnine making COMPETENT bike reviews. keep up the good work, this industry isnt oversaturated with reviews either... if i can ask to see you talk about one thing and how it handles the shore, id love to see your take on the spindrift.
I wasn't sure I wanted mtb content from Fortnine, now I'm not sure I want Fortnine without it. Dude. Superb.
I don't think this channel needs bike content. Let 40 something and Ryan do their thing
Gotta use the word "gnarly" a lot more. Great content f9.
Love the directions y'all are taking the channel with the addition of 44 and MTB content with D.O.D.. Motorcycling and mountain biking have a lot to learn from each-other these days, and the clientele is probably pretty similar. This was a killer review, and brought to light a lot of the holes in the argument for "modern progressive" geometry. Keep it up!
I do love the new path y’all are going with mountain biking. I ride both motorcycles and mountain bikes. I just started riding again and converted a 17’ DB Mission 2 to a mullet. I have a lot of the same issues with you experience with the Chainsaw. I’m almost ready to go back to the 27.5 front and get my geo back into something more useable. Love the new content! Keep it coming
Mountain bike reviews to the standards of typical FortNine videos? As someone who has been racing DH mountain bikes longer than I’ve been riding motorbikes, I think I just found my favourite mountain bike channel, and I’ve already been watching it for years.
Stevie was a Legend. Great video guys. I love mtb as much as my motorcycles so I'm loving these videos.
Ah, nostalgia. I remember when I used to ride mountain bikes up on the shore. Back before “having a job” and “paying rent” were more important than sending sketchy shit in the woods.
Easily the best MTB review I've ever seen on UA-cam. Loving this crossover moto/mtb stuff, I love everything with two wheels!
I am so happy to see such an honest and blunt mountain bike review. Thank you, guys. This made my two wheeled day. My locale doesn't include much endure - XC is more suitable. Would you be able to include some more of that in future reviews?
Please, give this guy his own F9 bicycle channel.
Agreed. I subscribed to F9 because the great motorcycle content. Such a disapointment everytime I check my notification and se another mountain bike video.
@@psgnw Lots of riders ide bikes with pedals too, to get in, or stay in, shape.
@@darkiee69 That's perfectly fine, but I think it would be better to separate the channel into one for motorbikes and one for the ones with pedals. Nothing against pedal bikes, but it's not something that I'm interested in :)
@@psgnw Well, no one forces you to watch every video they put out. (I hope) so just skip it and wait for the next one.
I agree. Surely it would be better for the bicycle content to be featured on its own channel. It would be more likely to attract bicycle people who may not have an interest in motorcycles.
GREAT vid. Never thought I'd see such great MTN bike info from my favorite cycle channel. Bravo!
Fortnine quality and style mountain bike videos are something we've really needed. Thank you!
Interesting that there is mtb content coming on here. Well timed with my Kona Kahuna purchase as I am thinking of having a year or pedalling trails rather than riding the dirt bike this coming year. My old ass needs to get in better shape and mountain biking is just so fun and effective with doing that!
Y'all are NEXT LEVEL good at what you do! Thank you.
Lots of negativity in these comments, which is unfortunate. I don’t ride mountain bikes and never have (well, once, in a team mini-triathlon; worst cycling experience of my life). But so what? This was an excellent review that is on par with the generally excellent quality of Fortnine content. And if Fortnine is in the business of selling MTB stuff, let there be more MTB stuff on this channel. After all, Fortnine is a business, and the UA-cam channel is an arm of that business. I love the motorcycle content here, and I hope it carries on for a long time. If there’s bicycling stuff here, too, great! I’ll watch it just for the entertainment value. Keep up the good work Ryan F9 and team!
Why would anyone spend this much on a bike that doesn't have an engine?
They talk about it in another video. These expensive AF bikes are about 80%-90% the quality of what the pros use. For motorcycles, what's on the streets is nowhere near what moto GP bikes are.
@@Sturmjager The question I think was geared more to the sanity of those making the purchase, not their rationale. I too hold similar feelings to Mike.
@@Sturmjager I watched that video but don't agree lol for that kind of money it needs to move me not the other way round
Does Ryan know about this?😳
Of course he does, who do you think produced it?
@@darkiee69 Can't someone have a dissenting opinion? Or are you pathologically compelled to be snarky (it's rhetorical)
Good to see the expanded content. Great review.
Thank you! Enjoyable to get a well thought out opinion.
I really like fortnine, they even asked me to take part of one of their videos recently!! What I don't really like here on the other hand, is the fact that Dave, the reviewer, himself works for another bike brand, as their PR and Social media person. Doesn't seem legit to me and I see here quite a big conflict of interest !!!
So let me do a review of this review:
I ride for Devinci, I'm a professional mountain biker, and a coach.
- Half of the Geometry numbers you gave for the Chainsaw are wrong.
- That full section at 6:07, Dave blames the brakes when we crashes into the camera but the crash as nothing to do with the braking, it's simply really bad technique.
- When talking about high pivots bikes getting longer into the travel of the suspension, and getting in the way when riding technical terrain you are also pointing the finger at Trek, Forbidden, Deviate, Norco, Cannondale, Commencal... and lots of brands that adopted this suspension design and have proven that their bikes can ride technical terrain pretty damn well.. Oh but, the brand he represent doesn't use high pivot system...
- at 8:45 you are trying to do a Manual, I would like to see you do a manual on another bike, someone who can manual can manual on any bikes.
- At the end of the video you basically say to the brand who supported Stevie during his career, and named a bike after him to donate back to the Stevie Smith foundation that this bike is a flop. Kinda not cool for Stevie's foundation and all the Stevie fans out there.
Here is my take Fortnine, If you want to review bikes, do it well, we want to see the reviewer trying harder and riding the bike for more than one day, and we want to see a reviewer that doesn't compete against the brands he reviews.
Happy to help with some coaching as well ;)
Wonder if more motorcycle riders ride mountainbikes. I do 😂 but even if I didn’t, I would’ve watched this.
I do! I have a Nukeproof Reactor 275 trail bike and a 125cc scooter haha
@@KingBlueSlimss awesome! 😎
Orbea Laufey and a ZX14r 😊
I grew up on mtb. Recently came upon motorbikes and fort nine taught me what I was missing out on. Cool to see all kinds of bike content.
Good honest review. I hate when reviewers just pander to the manufacturers about the latest and greatest, and forget that they are suppose to give a review of what the good/bad or highs/lows of the product really is.
Keep up the content.
You're Biased.
D.O.D F9
;)
Love that this channel is bringing in my 2nd favorite passion to accompany my first. Makes sense to do bike reviews now that f9 is carrying MTB products. A good channel just got better in my opinion
Cool didn't know you guys cover MTB as well, Steve was an absolute legend and inspirational to watch and definitely seemed like the nicest guy in the sport of mountain biking
If your looking for good/great brakes try Hope, and you want to get a pair of SPD click pedals for enduro, that way you dont need to think about your feet slippin off the pedals
At 6:13 crash, "The brakes are not good enough . . . The brakes aren't capable of stopping." That's what trees are for.
Love that you are expanding my horizons. That talent for exceptional content and humour…it’s an easy thing to see interest in this…regardless of what my “thing” is.
Thanks for sharing at a technical level and so well explained.
100% Great analysis.
As both an avid motorcycle rider and avid mountain bike rider, I'm very happy you guys are integrating more forms of 2 wheel riding into the channel.
DOD's analysis is spot on...
...and I still miss my Santa Cruz Bullitt. Both of them. Had a gen 1 and then a gen 2.
Great job. I think the pendulum swung a little too far on HTA for most people. 64.5 is my sweet spot for an all rounder and with an angle set you can tweak if needed. High pivot is a marketing ploy. Love the thin tubes (definitely going to be the next “thing” as battery tech gets lighter and more compact).
Keep up the honest reviews
I have been riding mountain bikes for 5 years and your channel got me into motorcycles. I love that you guys are making this content!
I don't even ride bicycles, but I found this extremely useful.
Thanks for making an accessible mountain bike review. I understood the majority of the content!
I just watched an entire video review for a genre I have no interest in, but because FortNine's production is so amazing, I loved every minute of it. I also now need a mountain bike!
eat corn
I absolutely love FortNine becoming the best source of information about all things two wheels - electric scooters when? :D
I'm not a MTBer but I watched this because, well, it's a new F9 video. I'm glad I did. I appreciated learning some things about MTBs.
How bout covering what the best cheap/budget bike is. Ya know, what applies to 95% of people. Not over 2k. Even better around 1k. That's great you're an enthusiast, and technical. But when you are talking about getting people into biking..a 5k bike isn't it, nor is a 4k, or a 3k...
the problem here is if you buy a sub 1k mtb it can only be a used bike. If not your bike will fall a part pretty soon. Even if you are a beginner you will get frustrated that your wheels lose tension so fast that its not straight anymore and many more parts that let you down
Siskiu D7 from Polygon is my nomination for best entry level full sus at $1300
I wonder - do you say the same thing when they post review of high end KTM, Yamaha or BMW? Did you post comment "Thats great you are enthusiast but when you are talking about getting people into riding a 18k USD DesertX isnt it"?
@@cyjanek7818 Bicycles are not motorcycles. Most the cost of motorcycles comes from the engine and drivetrain and associated r&d of them. Bicycles, don’t need to cost 5k. And yes I absolutely would call out a motorcycle geared towards beginners and marketed as getting people riding if it were stupidly overpriced. That’s also the reason motorscooters are immensely more popular globally.. they are simply more affordable and practical for getting people onto two wheels from point a to point b.
@@st33ldi9ital motorcycles also don't need to cost that much lol, take the smallest engine, copy old design - Chinese manufacturers are selling things like that for decades already and it is much cheaper. Much worse too but who considers quality I guess?
You are looking at bicycle that has most of the new things, dropper post, high pivot, it has full air suspension that is also adjustable and geometry that is kinda new. Those things take money and time to design and they sell less bikes - price is higher than you expect because for some reason you assume that frame and technology fell from the sky.
Also this bike is not "geared towards beginners", it's machine you could use to compete. I guess you connected kids to beginners? Those champions didn't start when they were 45 and had mid life crisis as a dentist, they started when they were 5. 15 year old, who starts in competition, is still a kid. He isn't beginner and he is not looking 800 USD bike because that alone will make him lose.
Brilliant, balanced and informative while being entertaining and educational... well done!!
I miss the good old days when this channel reviewed motorcycles.
i've been a long time motorcyclist and mountain biker... i can't believe my two world have combined in such great fashion. i was shocked when you guys had yoann on the channel. anyway great review!!
I agree with you about the slack head angle. It just makes the bike way less cabale on anything less than downhill terrain. I bought a Commencal Meta Power SX Race which had a 63° head tube angle and after a year and 2,500km I decided it’s just not the bike for me. I sold it and got a Mondraker Crafty R which is a medium travel “all mountain” bike with much more logical geometry including a 65.5° head tube angle and it is so much more enjoyable to ride. So much more nimble and pointy and doesn’t feel like a bus going through corners. Slack head tubes just makes bikes flop around and I find it affects traction on the front wheel too since the wheel has to flop so far to the side to achieve the steering angle that you need for tighter corners. It’s just bad and the bike industry has gone too far. Keep slack head tubes for downhill bikes.
I come from the age of 72° head angles. I thought this bike was for downhill only
Precisely.
There's a place and time for that kind of Slack... but it's not where most people ride despite the bike models that keep coming out.
D.O.D F9
I'm enjoying quality content, and as someone who not only has an ADV, dirt, and cruiser bikes (motorcycles) in the stable along with a full suspension mountain bike this content is right up my alley. I like how the objective criticism of past videos has carried over onto these reviews of two-wheeled transportation. Unfortunately, I think you're going to get a lot of kickback from people who will only ride two wheels if it comes with a combustion engine.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a mountain biker. Early realization, this video is 100% mountain biker porn! WOW..... once again, great camera work, editing, and holy shit was the script steamy!
great review, love the addition of MTB content to an already awesome channel
Wheres the engine?
In that cheeseburger you just ate, lol..
It's your heart, bro
A great review and history lesson. Keep up the MTB content, you're doing an amazing job and the production values of the video are insanely good, along with the moto content. Mabey no Gravel and Road bike content though please..... 😅
Hi @FortNine, what frame size is this chainsaw you testing out? and what's your height?? Cheers.
I learned much more about mountain bikes than I ever planned.
All the guys who commented on the cheese video "I'd watch FortNine no matter what they talk about!": time to put your money where your mouth is.
I hope this comment gets pinned!
I think this was predicated on infrequent "no motorcycle" content. I'm pretty sure regular "cheese" content would get old, no irony intended, pretty fast.
I look videos for the content that interests me. And while these videos are really well made.. the content does not really intereset me. I have no real clue what alls these numbers mean. Happy for the people that content is made for, iam just not one of them.
Maybe set up a second channel?
Tbh I love this new take on MTB reviews, actually taking a good look at the downsides of bikes instead of only the positives, something that is lacking in the MTB review world.
Awesome vid guys! I was tempted to do some stuff on that bike too, but also got concerned it’d be a little too big for my needs and tastes. If ya ever wanna link up for a collab, holla at me!
If you see me on the Trail lying in a bush after a crash, Pull me out and let's go ride.
-D.O.D F9
@@FortNine DOD, you probably know this already but JKW's moto/mtb bike adventures are awesome. A collab bike-on-bike video would be sweet from F9.
I like the host, and while I'd prefer FortNine to stay motorcycles only...maybe he could get his own space? Nothing wrong with bicycles (they were our first two wheeled death machines), but not for this channel.
This channel belongs to FortNine, and they sell MTB stuff too now. And why start a second channel from scratch when they have an excellent ne already?
@@darkiee69 How about you let someone have a dissenting opinion? It's not like anyone is forcing you to be snarky
Bring back the motorcycle channel
A bike review and lesson on suspension philosophy. This is a great presentation!
I ride bikes and dream about motorcycles by watching your channel. I enjoyed this content. Thank you.
Why ?????
Love the new MTB content. In general, I think more moto people should ride mountain bikes and more mountain bikers need to ride more moto.
I am NOT a MTBer. Hell, I'm only barely a roadie.
But damn, this is pretty Damning.
DOD, Keep it up.
So is FortNine now also doing MTB content? Neat!
All things two-wheels are welcome to me, even if the engine is your legs.
WHYYYY is Fortnine switching to bicycle content now! More motorbikes please!
Calm down. We're getting way more motorbike content than when it was just Ryan making videos. They're just adding a new type of video to their regular schedule.
Because its easy to make one out of the other, a ton of aging dirt bike guys are looking for something less dangerous, and less of a headache to bust out, thats more rideable in public spaces and a bunch of whistler bike park kids that grew up eiding A line that are looking for something more exciting
BOOOOOORIIIIING! where its ryan?
remember when this was a motorcycle channel?
I'm a mountain biker who doesn't even have a moto but I've been watching this channel for the entertaining, well informed and no-bull content. Super excited to see more of the same on mountain bikes and motos
I watched numerous MTB videos. This is by far the best one I’ve seen. Great job!
2 stroke pedal?