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  • LeBron an all-time great scorer? Stephen A., Mad Dog & Mike Francesa debate | First Take
    Stephen A. Smith, Chris "Mad Dog" Russo and Mike Francesa discuss whether LeBron James is an all-time great scorer as he nears passing Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for the most ever.
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    0:00 LeBron James press conference on scoring-record while playing
    1:00 Do you view LeBron as an all-time great scorer?
    2:30 Mad Dog on why LeBron joined the Lakers
    4:00 What's LeBron's career shining moment?
    6:25 Discussing LeBron and Larry Bird
    8:00 Mike Francesa's top 5 NBA players list
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  • @PrtyNeal
    @PrtyNeal Рік тому +922

    You don't score 25ppg for 19 straight seasons without being a great scorer

    • @zackneskov2006
      @zackneskov2006 Рік тому +123

      lol its just old heads that cant handle he is better than jordan bro, theyre mad he is first in scoring while being 4th in assist and prob end up 3rd

    • @PrtyNeal
      @PrtyNeal Рік тому +19

      @@zackneskov2006 it's a matter of opinion. Some old heads think he is the goat. Shannon Sharpe is an old head that's his biggest fan

    • @MissConceptGuild
      @MissConceptGuild Рік тому +1

      @@PrtyNeal SS is also a Hall of Famer.. He knows what freaking excellence is.. Compared to these buffoons

    • @millzoday4117
      @millzoday4117 Рік тому +12

      He's a good scorer not great. He's ball dominant.

    • @yrnsebastian7873
      @yrnsebastian7873 Рік тому +9

      27 actually

  • @Lilbuptown_1
    @Lilbuptown_1 Рік тому +1042

    Lebron:
    *becomes all-time leading scorer*
    Analyst: is Lebron a good scorer?

    • @derrickperry7705
      @derrickperry7705 Рік тому +92

      This segment was the worst of all time

    • @Twomps
      @Twomps Рік тому +2

      Hes aiight

    • @jimmyjimmy6354
      @jimmyjimmy6354 Рік тому +1

      Smh

    • @blesshmar8380
      @blesshmar8380 Рік тому +2

      hahhahhaha

    • @Hi-cq2hm
      @Hi-cq2hm Рік тому +19

      Not only that his average points per game is 4th in the whole NBA history.
      I don't get it why people say Kobe was a better scorer than Lebron if Lebron scores more points every game than Kobe , that's what average points per game means.

  • @kentrellparker-murphy2018
    @kentrellparker-murphy2018 Рік тому +457

    apparently putting up points doesn’t make you a scorer, it’s about the “mentality”.

    • @nydibs
      @nydibs Рік тому +9

      It’s also how you get the points and the eye test. Wilt scored 100 points in one game, but nobody says he’s the greatest scorer ever

    • @JohnnySensei7
      @JohnnySensei7 Рік тому +63

      It’s such a bs angle to use to disprove Bron. Everyone that’s played with and against him knows he’s a monster. Just because he doesn’t jack up shots he doesn’t have a “killer” mentality

    • @corpyhogan4433
      @corpyhogan4433 Рік тому +24

      This right here is the reason why sports discussion is so horrible nowadays.

    • @GibbsVision
      @GibbsVision Рік тому +1

      FACTS!!!!!!!!!

    • @nydibs
      @nydibs Рік тому +4

      @@JohnnySensei7 - Lebron leads the league in field goal attempts per game. But yeah, hes not jacking up shots. 7 3s at 31% per game. Its all within the flow of the game

  • @ianmaxwell1282
    @ianmaxwell1282 Рік тому +507

    Bro… how is he not the “last shot guy” if he hit the most all time in the postseason???

    • @MK0437
      @MK0437 Рік тому

      Cuz they’re stupid. The way they talk he’d have never got anywhere near this record

    • @TheKondinho
      @TheKondinho Рік тому

      narratives man. the media is very powerful to the point where then can make you question undeniable numbers.

    • @kevothegoat9891
      @kevothegoat9891 Рік тому +22

      One shot to win a game are you picking Lebron?

    • @murphdell1
      @murphdell1 Рік тому +70

      @@kevothegoat9891 probably

    • @donovangray6665
      @donovangray6665 Рік тому +81

      @@kevothegoat9891 well when you make the most and take one of the most and also shoot a higher percentage then nearly anyone else then yes I will

  • @LiquidChamploo
    @LiquidChamploo Рік тому +114

    Man, the bubble was some of the BEST basketball I’ve seen. So many players were FORCED to lock-in those performances were on another level.

  • @MK0437
    @MK0437 Рік тому +248

    27 ppg for 20 years is INSANE!!! One of the things I love most about Lebron is how he continues to make his critics look foolish, and them stubbornly sticking to their “not a scorer” “not clutch” narratives just looks more ridiculous.

    • @javiersarmientojr.9340
      @javiersarmientojr.9340 Рік тому +3

      💯💯

    • @kingreg8997
      @kingreg8997 Рік тому +2

      Rings matters

    • @HansumTrini
      @HansumTrini Рік тому +7

      @@kingreg8997 Yea, he got four rings already plus accolades...thanks for pointing that out 🙂

    • @handsomedevil254
      @handsomedevil254 Рік тому +1

      Karl Malone stats that way too

    • @Bey_Dreamer
      @Bey_Dreamer Рік тому +3

      @@kingreg8997 Championship accolades. That’s more impressive than not tbh. If we logically analyze his finals record, 4-6 across two decades 🧐 4x MVP, 4x Finals MVP, Top 5 in assists & #1 All-Time to end his career ? That’s ridiculous.

  • @deucedread24
    @deucedread24 Рік тому +234

    This is not about LeBron James, this was 3 MJ fans doing everything they can to keep the legacy of MJ alive as long as possible.

    • @leonhall856
      @leonhall856 Рік тому +12

      Dont need to keep his legacy alive, just look at the shoe sales.

    • @Fugitif012
      @Fugitif012 Рік тому +11

      Exactly
      It’s always funny

    • @ferminarechiga5035
      @ferminarechiga5035 Рік тому +9

      Thank you because that's all it is three MJ fans down playing was about to go down

    • @martinonuegbu1384
      @martinonuegbu1384 Рік тому +4

      What are you talking about? One of the guys was defending Lebron most of the time lol

    • @kevinabernathy6472
      @kevinabernathy6472 Рік тому +4

      I said the same thing 😂 you got haters up here trying to change to topic by talking about other players an trying to criticize lebron.

  • @JJones3.
    @JJones3. Рік тому +82

    This segment was nothing but backhanded compliments 😂😂😂😂

    • @ogreen28
      @ogreen28 Рік тому +1

      Yep. Seen it coming. Not a surprise at all. It's quite sad really.

    • @YungEmmakulata
      @YungEmmakulata Рік тому

      SAS has Lebron #2 and Francesa took Lebron over Bird. What are you guys on about?

    • @JJones3.
      @JJones3. Рік тому +5

      @@YungEmmakulata we can start with the initial question "Is Lebron an all time great scorer" when he's 89pts from being number 1 all time. It's not that they said anything crazy its just when they say one good thing it's followed by all his failures which is irrelevant to the question

    • @ogreen28
      @ogreen28 Рік тому +1

      @@YungEmmakulata they went on and on about LeBron's "failures". They always do this when he achieves something. This segment is full of backhanded compliments.
      To say he isn't an all time great scorer, and then say Kobe and Malone are is crazy to me. To even ask if he is when he's on the cusp of being #1 all time in scoring is ridiculous in itself.

    • @YungEmmakulata
      @YungEmmakulata Рік тому

      @@JJones3. The question is set up for someone or someones to to both praise and also critically critique Lebron. That's what that question says to me.
      What did expect? For all of them to just shine Lebron's shoes and wax poetic about him?

  • @SPRVLN27
    @SPRVLN27 Рік тому +34

    *averages 27 PPG over the span of 20 seasons on 50% shooting*
    "iS leBrOn gOoD sCorEr????"

  • @DBZenkai1
    @DBZenkai1 Рік тому +246

    *becomes the all-time leading scorer in the NBA*
    “Is he an All-Time great scorer?”
    Cmon now 😂

  • @edgewoodaldridge
    @edgewoodaldridge Рік тому +52

    Even when they acknowledge his greatness they go out of their way to hate smh

  • @phillipsosa3353
    @phillipsosa3353 Рік тому +190

    If we’re not gonna count lebrons title during Covid then we shouldn’t any sports title in that year. HOFers have said they wouldn’t have been able to handle the bubble. The bubble was the one year where you got the best of every single player. All they had to do was focus on basketball. Nothing else, that’s why tj warren looked like an mvp and hasn’t looked even close yet they had to deal with the mental aspect of being a human being and being stuck in one place like that for so long.

    • @youvegotapointthere4359
      @youvegotapointthere4359 Рік тому +21

      You explained it perfectly and gave a great example! There is no reason not to count the bubble championship. It's the only time where homecourt advantage couldn't play a role in the outcome of the game. They just played basketball and the Lakers won.

    • @Mo-ei7ig
      @Mo-ei7ig Рік тому +13

      90% of the people who are saying that ring doesn’t count were bandwagon clipper fans that wanted to see the lakers fail

    • @SummerAwe99
      @SummerAwe99 Рік тому +10

      The Lakers were 24-2 to start that season and the 1 seed before the bubble... they were winning regardless.

    • @MichaelSevilla97
      @MichaelSevilla97 Рік тому +2

      @@SummerAwe99 nah anthony street clothes davis was probably gonna get injured or lebron would have worn down having to carry the team they did get 4 months off before they went in the bubble

    • @thedon5367
      @thedon5367 Рік тому +9

      @@MichaelSevilla97 the entire nba got 4 months off. And the lakers 3rd best player didn’t even go to the bubble.

  • @Onlyij_4
    @Onlyij_4 Рік тому +160

    If any other team won the chip the bubble would have been a valid chip…..

    • @keefriff99
      @keefriff99 Рік тому +51

      Any excuse to invalidate LeBron’s entire career…

    • @jaymoore9181
      @jaymoore9181 Рік тому +3

      FACTS

    • @bungybooce4205
      @bungybooce4205 Рік тому +1

      No it still would’ve been a bubble ring😂

    • @kevenrowe2958
      @kevenrowe2958 Рік тому

      Facts !!!!

    • @kevenrowe2958
      @kevenrowe2958 Рік тому +10

      @@bungybooce4205 had the clippers won or Giannis won it would have been a celebration

  • @cozyfades1587
    @cozyfades1587 Рік тому +51

    What's crazy is I'm old enough (I graduated hs in 2012) to remember people saying LeBron would be done once his athleticism waned 😂

    • @marcoenrique8309
      @marcoenrique8309 Рік тому +3

      I am his fan and I used to think so as well.😂

    • @idosabamemanuel5163
      @idosabamemanuel5163 Рік тому +2

      Haters gonna hate I guess 😅

    • @gregharper6382
      @gregharper6382 Рік тому

      Yep same!! Crazy!

    • @omieg89
      @omieg89 Рік тому +7

      Around 2012, people swore that he would slow down in the next 2-3 years. Here we are 11 years later and he’s averaging 30 ppg in year 20.

    • @michaelknight5097
      @michaelknight5097 Рік тому

      Facts bro I’m a year ahead of you (CLASS OF 2011) even though I was a Kobe/Iverson fan back then

  • @voteblue8681
    @voteblue8681 Рік тому +202

    I remember when haters were saying lebron was declining because of a few bad games to start the season 😂😂

    • @nydibs
      @nydibs Рік тому +5

      He is declining tho, no defense, terrible 3 pt shooting. Lakers have the 26th best record in the league. But he’s still putting up stats for sure

    • @wahm7872
      @wahm7872 Рік тому

      @@nydibs causals like him shield be banned from watching the game. They're so annoying g

    • @jaidenknight2358
      @jaidenknight2358 Рік тому +23

      @@nydibs he’s actually not nice try hater

    • @nydibs
      @nydibs Рік тому +1

      @@jaidenknight2358 - how is that hating? All his advanced metrics show hes declining, one of the worst PER of his career, TS% is down, shooting 31% from 3 (up now that he went on a little hot streak). All his advanced metrics are down, except for his usage rate and shot attempts, both at career high levels
      And then his defense is non-existent on top of that. But sure, lets trust your judgement and not the stats

    • @tyronbrewer141
      @tyronbrewer141 Рік тому +8

      @@nydibs it’s not a significant drop off. No other great has played at this level in year 20 so while it’s obvious that LeBron is getting older and can’t do everything that he could do when he was younger, he’s still balling at an extremely high level

  • @malachi975
    @malachi975 Рік тому +170

    Karl Malone over Lebron as a scorer is wild😂😂

  • @Jsmooth1174
    @Jsmooth1174 Рік тому +29

    Didn’t everyone have the same chance to win the championship in the bubble? I don’t understand why people try to diminish it like it the Lakers chose to have those conditions

    • @omieg89
      @omieg89 Рік тому +6

      In my opinion the bubble title has less of an asterisk than a lot of peoples titles. Lebron faced all healthy squads. No travel. Everyone was well rested.
      It’s more legit than Curry’s 2015 title or Kawhi’s 2019 title. It’s more legit than the Lakers winning in 1988 when Isiah suffered a high ankle sprain.

    • @worldlfree
      @worldlfree Рік тому

      No one wanted to be there

    • @yomicry-ed3697
      @yomicry-ed3697 Рік тому

      @worldlfree who decided not to participate though??

  • @weixiaozhang1970
    @weixiaozhang1970 Рік тому +97

    you can dislike Lebron but you can't disrepect him. his dedication and dominance in the last 20 years of this game is just amazing.

    • @iflemister3935
      @iflemister3935 Рік тому

      Ur white I can tell I don’t disagree that he has questionable political views..but he left bc of the incompetence of the front office and betrayal of his teammates lol buddy said dedication and dominance we talking about basketball..and the ratings when he was in Miami and the cavs both time ratings our down bc of rule changes..refs..etc but lebron didn’t create super teams

    • @robglobal1
      @robglobal1 Рік тому +4

      Dominance??? He hasn't dominated anything lol stop it

    • @Sullicities
      @Sullicities Рік тому

      @@mikem4481 there were super teams being formed since before the Miami big 3 moron.

    • @Sullicities
      @Sullicities Рік тому +6

      @@robglobal1 I see you don’t watch basketball

    • @robglobal1
      @robglobal1 Рік тому +1

      @AuRa Hydro I've been an analyst going on 20 yrs and a fanatic for over 30 yrs I've watched a little bit...Lebron James has had to stack the deck in order to win and still only has 4 rings and has never been the best offensive player nor defensive player so to say he has dominated makes zero sense. He has great longevity playing at a high level but that does not equate to dominating

  • @Onthehop08.
    @Onthehop08. Рік тому +45

    It will be one of the greatest moments in NBA history when Lebron becomes the all time scorer.

  • @jaykon3451
    @jaykon3451 Рік тому +28

    Mollys “who’s they” killed me 😂😂

  • @SummerAwe99
    @SummerAwe99 Рік тому +8

    'Bird didnt have a bad series like that'
    Ummm he had TWO 8 point games in a finals.
    His team was so unbelievably stacked they still won.

  • @ByeByeLegacyCryHarder
    @ByeByeLegacyCryHarder Рік тому +56

    When you realize lebron would score even more points if he didn’t like passing so much

  • @adrielchapa7545
    @adrielchapa7545 Рік тому +22

    Cornbread Maxwell was Finals MVP while Bird had 8 point Finals games

    • @wangtang12
      @wangtang12 Рік тому

      It doesn't matter because what bird did was enough to win

    • @kentayali
      @kentayali Рік тому

      @@wangtang12 lol I bet Bron is way better than bird just imagine if LeBron was yt lol he’d be even greater lmao 🤣

    • @smellykush48
      @smellykush48 Рік тому

      @@kentayali way better is a stretch

  • @abiolaadeyemo4155
    @abiolaadeyemo4155 Рік тому +89

    I don't get the argument against the covid season. Every other team had to compete with the same circumstances. I guess I can make an argument that any team that won a championship during a leap year should be discredited since they got an extra day.

    • @brennansnyder476
      @brennansnyder476 Рік тому +18

      Exactly. As if everyone else in Orlando wasn't trying to win. Tell Jimmy Butler that, see how he reacts. Haters will try anything to diminish LeBron. It's actually sad. No other player has had to deal with the negative response like LeBron has, and he's still outperformed expectations.

    • @suprmekai5
      @suprmekai5 Рік тому +13

      @@brennansnyder476 remember when Lebron had lost the first game in the playoffs to the trailblazers and all the haters started running their mouths that he will be eliminated of course we know what happened then when he lost the first game in the second round to the rockets and they ran their mouths about how the rockets aren’t the blazers then in the western conference finals they went against the nuggets and those idiot haters claimed that he dodged the Clippers after the clippers choked to the nuggets.

    • @timonriehl8707
      @timonriehl8707 Рік тому +4

      @@suprmekai5 If lebron and the Lakers would've lost they would've said that the Bubble is the most valuable title ever. But since lebron won it doesn't fit the narrative

    • @jayh4911
      @jayh4911 Рік тому +6

      If anything the bubble championship was probably more difficult to win simply because there's no homecourt advantage, no fan's, away from family & friends, playing on a court where's nobody is familiar with. It was just non-stop hoops & may the best team won!!! Lebron is the goat

    • @gregharper6382
      @gregharper6382 Рік тому +1

      My thoughts exactly!! People keep talking as if the Lakers played a bunch of college teams to get the ring or as if they had some sort of advantage that others didn’t!

  • @erikkdane8485
    @erikkdane8485 Рік тому +21

    YES. LeBron is an all time great scorer. It's not rocket science especially since he's breaking the scoring record that stood for almost 39 years. The fact that he's doing it while being top 4 all time in assists is phenomenal.

  • @tylerdowd
    @tylerdowd Рік тому +85

    How is this even a question when he's literally about to break the all-time scoring record? Lol

  • @lloydbonafide3398
    @lloydbonafide3398 Рік тому +116

    I can't even lie as a celtics fan watching that game lebron still amazed me. The fact that he only scored 60 points once but is about to be the leading scorer of all time is also impressive. Since he does everything else. I know kareem played in a more strict era but if lebron wins another title then i really believe he's the goat.

    • @rodolfoarroyo5956
      @rodolfoarroyo5956 Рік тому +2

      Health….. its all it is. His longevity is thanks to his health, imagine kobe fully healthy like lebron✌️ give jordan 6 more years….. these records are all about totals it about skill

    • @vancev3
      @vancev3 Рік тому +17

      @@rodolfoarroyo5956 LeBron’s health isn’t an accident tho..he put more money, time, & care into his body then anyone else in history. That dedication and commitment to his craft and understanding his body deserves praise!

    • @carterbilbro4615
      @carterbilbro4615 Рік тому +2

      If by strict you mean extremely watered down then yeah

    • @carterbilbro4615
      @carterbilbro4615 Рік тому +8

      @@rodolfoarroyo5956 this is the lamest argument ever lmao Bron could do it those guys couldn’t. Bron the best ever

    • @khalilwilliams1818
      @khalilwilliams1818 Рік тому +4

      exactly it's easy to score hight when that's all you do lebron does everything on the court and is still the leading scorer

  • @mitch4837
    @mitch4837 Рік тому +12

    If Kobe played the bubble… tone would be different. And we all know Kobe wasn’t missing any basketball no matter what

  • @pulliam318
    @pulliam318 Рік тому +13

    I hate when ppl say, he’s more competitive than everyone. Like bro, EVERYONE ON THE COURT IS COMPETITIVE.

  • @thomascrowniii1693
    @thomascrowniii1693 Рік тому +11

    The Bulls were favored in all 6 of their Finals appearances, LeBrons team was favored in 3 out of his 8 appearances. And he won two them.

    • @youvegotapointthere4359
      @youvegotapointthere4359 Рік тому +8

      Thank you! No one ever brings that up.

    • @thomascrowniii1693
      @thomascrowniii1693 Рік тому +3

      @You've got a point there
      Of course they don't. Hating LeBron is full time job and the facts don't matter. He's 4-10 and ten in the NBA Finals and people actually think that's an insult. You know who would love to be 4-10 in the Finals? Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Stockton, Nash, Iverson, Harden, CP, Dominique, Westbrook and 100 other first ballot hall of farmers who don't have one ring much less four.

    • @worldlfree
      @worldlfree Рік тому

      They were not…

  • @flippa7352
    @flippa7352 Рік тому +52

    These guy can never have a segment to just praise the guy for once without critic 😂 you seriously arguing about a 38 year old in Year 20 who is balling BTW averaging almost 30.2 ppg 8.5RB and 7.1 Ast and Averaging 36.5MPG oh and who is literally dragging the whole lakers taking 1 game off to rest 💀 this just shows how great lebron is

    • @nydibs
      @nydibs Рік тому +1

      Lakers have the 26th best record in the league

    • @tonyparra8736
      @tonyparra8736 Рік тому +9

      This is the most parity ever in the NBA most teams are a 3 or 4 game win streak from being a top 3 or 4 seed. The Lakers are the scariest team currently not a top 6 seed. Imagine fighting all year for the 1 seed and facing LeBron in round 1 with healthy AD.

    • @Kvng-_-
      @Kvng-_- Рік тому +1

      @@nydibs doesn't mean LeBron needs to play every game 💀every one of these analyst are literally the embodiment of Envy 🤣imagine getting mad at a player a pro athlete for sitting out a game💀💀💀

    • @YungEmmakulata
      @YungEmmakulata Рік тому

      They aren't there to be Lebron's cheerleaders. They praised him but critically critiqued him. Nothing wrong with that.

    • @IAMSOMID
      @IAMSOMID Рік тому

      Literally!!

  • @Smartkid2387
    @Smartkid2387 Рік тому +15

    I thought the stats proved Lebron is one of the most clutch players to play. I think people are just hung up on the fact that he was willingly to pass instead of being the guy to take the last shot.

    • @omieg89
      @omieg89 Рік тому +2

      Lebron got screwed a lot by incompetent teammates who didn’t hit the big shots. Kyle Korver in game 3 of the 2017 Finals. George Hill missing FTs in game 1 of the 2018 Finals. Danny Green missing the 3 to win the title in game 5 of the 2020 Finals.

    • @MK0437
      @MK0437 Рік тому +1

      This, Lebron doesn’t like taking bad shots “at any point” during the game. That doesn’t suddenly change in the last two minutes. He has shown he is capable and willing to hit clutch/game winning shots when it’s the right choice

  • @mariechambers7917
    @mariechambers7917 Рік тому +22

    This guy mad dog really said Larry is over Lebron I’m done😂😂

    • @akunneogalanya4929
      @akunneogalanya4929 Рік тому +2

      Can you imagine that nonsense? What metric can you use to say that Larry Bird is better than him?

    • @pkboolean
      @pkboolean Рік тому +2

      Facts, Lebron will drop 50 on Larry

    • @Kvng-_-
      @Kvng-_- Рік тому +3

      This goes to show you that these "analyst" are just regular people who knowledge only stretches as far as the hate will let them 💀

    • @henry7765
      @henry7765 Рік тому

      Larry is tougher mentally than LeBron . I’ll give him that

    • @Kvng-_-
      @Kvng-_- Рік тому

      @@henry7765 💀

  • @gannona4882
    @gannona4882 Рік тому +62

    “He’s not Kawhi Leonard” the silence 😂😂😂

  • @edisongao9528
    @edisongao9528 Рік тому +17

    People love to add asterisks to lebrons career but why not to his finals loses? He carried a bunch of bums in 07, then again in 2015 without love and Kyrie, and then he got over powered by the durant warriors. Is that his fault? Swap MJ into those scenarios, would the result have been any different? These debates are just idiotic.

    • @balldontsleep4546
      @balldontsleep4546 Рік тому

      Stupidity at it's finest

    • @youvegotapointthere4359
      @youvegotapointthere4359 Рік тому +7

      The only finals that you could argue would be the Mavs series, but even that's debatable because outside of Wade, Bosh, and LeBron that Heat roster was sad. Those Mavericks were the deepest team in the playoffs that year and swept Kobe's Lakers who were coming off of a championship run.

    • @BooBooDaFoo330
      @BooBooDaFoo330 Рік тому +2

      @@youvegotapointthere4359 thank you no one ever gives that Mavs team credit, plus Bron wasn’t even bad that series he just underperformed but that was all in credit to the Mavs defense.

    • @edisongao9528
      @edisongao9528 Рік тому +1

      @@youvegotapointthere4359 deep teams are never given credit when they win a title because they don’t have enough “marketable stars”. But the Celtics big three win one title in 08 and they are legends forever.

    • @youvegotapointthere4359
      @youvegotapointthere4359 Рік тому

      @@edisongao9528 I agree. To this day, that Celtics team is talked about like they were a dynasty. It's hilarious because Garnett and Pierce only have 1 ring each while Ray and Rondo have 2 rings each because they both joined LeBron later in their careers.

  • @melvinodavisii4047
    @melvinodavisii4047 Рік тому +22

    I'm dead,😜 he asked for the healthy back and still chose LeBron. Hoodie Hustlin'

  • @averyb.476
    @averyb.476 Рік тому +19

    Lebron doesnt go out there trying to score a lot of points every night. However, if you told a player I need you to score 40 or 50 points tonight, there arent 5 guys im taking over Lebron all time to accomplish that task. One of the greatest scorers ever no doubt

    • @sirnightingale608
      @sirnightingale608 Рік тому +1

      KD, Steph, Jordan, Dame are the main names that comes to mind before I’d take Bron

    • @akunneogalanya4929
      @akunneogalanya4929 Рік тому +8

      @@sirnightingale608 dame will get you more 40 to 50 points consistently than Lebron? So why does Lebron have more 40 or 50 point games than dame during the same time? (I’m not even talking in the entire career because Lebron has played more games. Just in the time Dame came in the league). Same question is for Steph. I don’t know why these statements are made. He even have more 40 point games than KD.

    • @omieg89
      @omieg89 Рік тому +2

      @@sirnightingale608 no way. Only Jordan and that’s a maybe.

    • @kentayali
      @kentayali Рік тому +2

      @@sirnightingale608 Jordan and wilt chamberlain the only two I think comparable

    • @paulh.9937
      @paulh.9937 Рік тому +2

      @@kentayali I agree. I don't think I would even depend on Shaq and Kobe for that. They would come up with 35 or 37 points on any given night no problem. But if you want a guy to go and score 50, right now, give the ball to Jordan, wilt, or lebron. Tell them to do nothing but score, don't pass, don't rebound, don't defend, and they will drop 50 maybe even 60, casually

  • @derrickperry7705
    @derrickperry7705 Рік тому +53

    This was the most disrespectful segment first take has ever done. This man is about to become the #1 all time scorer and they bashing him…… I feel even worse cause Stephen a let these two old white men do it to and he ain’t say nothing !!!!! SMFHHHHHHH

    • @barryeugenejr4977
      @barryeugenejr4977 Рік тому +1

      Nothing. Smh

    • @derrickperry7705
      @derrickperry7705 Рік тому +1

      @@barryeugenejr4977 it was insane man…. SMH

    • @23cteezy
      @23cteezy Рік тому

      typical Lebron fan, absolutely insane. Because they didn't drop down on their knees and give him .... , now they are disrespectful. Clown fanbase

    • @Lagunaish
      @Lagunaish Рік тому

      No one likes him!

    • @nydibs
      @nydibs Рік тому +1

      How was it disrespectful. They talked about how great Lebron was. Does it really matter if you have him top 5 or top 6. People are too sensitive

  • @Yardie_king876
    @Yardie_king876 Рік тому +9

    People not counting the bubble season and the chip is laughable, for one people only saying that because Lebron won the chip so it’s just hating on Lebron, also people seem to forget that the lakers beat the best teams and was playing well before the pandemic really did its damage, y’all just sound sad asf

  • @ankletaker2729
    @ankletaker2729 Рік тому +3

    Stephen A done turned First Take into a senior home. Bro look just as old as the people he brings in to debate

  • @dparks2856
    @dparks2856 Рік тому +17

    This was about being the all time leading scorer not about anything else

  • @ibrahimsharif1050
    @ibrahimsharif1050 Рік тому +8

    This is the stupidest segment in First take history

  • @trvspvrk
    @trvspvrk Рік тому +38

    *LeBron is a couple games away from scoring the most points in NBA history*
    ESPN: “Is LeBron an all time great scorer?”

    • @gophersdream6726
      @gophersdream6726 Рік тому

      Lmao couldn’t have said it better

    • @TheMastermindzTV
      @TheMastermindzTV Рік тому

      You know the definition of a "scorer" in the sense of basketball?

    • @carterbilbro4615
      @carterbilbro4615 Рік тому +1

      @@TheMastermindzTV he’s 5th in ppg. Bron will retire as a top 2 scorer ever at minimum

    • @TheMastermindzTV
      @TheMastermindzTV Рік тому +1

      @@carterbilbro4615 Hahahaha. Yeah, you don't know what a scorer is. Kareem was number 1 in points for like 35 years and nobody ever ever called him a scorer, nor Karl Malone. Durant is a scorer, LeBron's game is facilitation, and always will me. Sorry that it hurts your feelings. 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @justdre2742
      @justdre2742 Рік тому

      @@TheMastermindzTV I get what you sayin but brons a facilitator AND a scorer, jus because he’s great at both shouldnt mean one takes away from the other. Kds career and bron career avr are literally identical in points. 27.2 and 27.3 a game

  • @cortneyross7631
    @cortneyross7631 Рік тому +7

    If anybody else won that chip in the bubble they would be praising them

  • @jamesc0890
    @jamesc0890 Рік тому +7

    Save this to y'all Playlist, cus in 5 years Smith gonna be saying he never said this stuff

  • @qbqb99
    @qbqb99 Рік тому +7

    20 year veteran can/should take a game off

  • @DBZeni
    @DBZeni Рік тому +7

    Bird had TWO 8 points back to back game Mad dog. LMAO

  • @reddeep5983
    @reddeep5983 Рік тому +9

    How can you not be a great scorer and pass the all time leading scorer???? Can’t say longevity because that’s how Kareem got it as well anddddd it’s the only way to break the record at this point lol

    • @omieg89
      @omieg89 Рік тому +2

      People say longevity as if it is a negative thing. Lebron’s scoring average for his career is 27 ppg after 20 seasons. MJ’s career scoring average was 32 ppg when he retired with Chicago. Those two Wizards season dropped his scoring average 2 whole points down to 30 ppg. Imagine if MJ played 20 seasons, how far his scoring average would have fallen.

  • @ogreen28
    @ogreen28 Рік тому +4

    This segment went just as I expected it to go when I saw the lineup.

  • @SleepyGrapes
    @SleepyGrapes Рік тому +4

    Listening to mike and mad dog together stugotz got it EXACTLY right 😂😂😂😂

  • @seanmarshallnibbs6878
    @seanmarshallnibbs6878 Рік тому +6

    This segment was a JOKE. I genuinely hope LeBron doesn’t even acknowledge Stephen A Smith at this point. This was a complete JOKE!!! Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t. All they can do is commentate on the game, but have idea what it really take as a professional athlete. I rather hear a actual players talk trash on the boy but not these dudes.

    • @omieg89
      @omieg89 Рік тому

      I honestly believe that’s why SAS doesn’t like LeBron. He was tight with MJ, Kobe, AI, Wade, and Melo. Notice he never crushed any of those guys. LeBron never kissed the ring. Good for him.

  • @KevinSiingh_
    @KevinSiingh_ Рік тому +18

    Mad dog was so proud of himself for that Kawhi line 5:45

    • @714milky
      @714milky Рік тому

      It was a great point

  • @TheAwesomeRA7
    @TheAwesomeRA7 Рік тому +3

    Bro Lebron clears Larry bird🤣 buddy tripping

  • @justicebediako6181
    @justicebediako6181 Рік тому +1

    This is great analysis….I love it

  • @just1ty881
    @just1ty881 Рік тому +5

    The man for his career averages 27 points his CAREER !!!!! How could you look at him any other way other than an all time great scorer of the basketball

    • @omieg89
      @omieg89 Рік тому +1

      Only 4 players are ahead of him all time in career ppg. KD is in year 16. The other 3 didn’t play more than 15 seasons. Lebron is something else.

  • @teejaythomas4479
    @teejaythomas4479 Рік тому +3

    ESPN needs to hire more young analysts 😂 These folks said “the soon to be all time scorer” is not one of the all time great scores 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @paidinfull9641
    @paidinfull9641 Рік тому +6

    He’s Litterly gonna break the record and this is a debate

  • @austingreen1274
    @austingreen1274 Рік тому +1

    I need a drink after that segment. In 10 minutes they didn’t address the question, just started replaying the hit talking points about Lebron that have been said a million times.

  • @josephwooden732
    @josephwooden732 Рік тому +1

    I love the different Plus their historical knowledge

  • @Prince.Of-Dior23
    @Prince.Of-Dior23 Рік тому +13

    6:22 Maddogg knew what he was doing when he made that devious smile 💀🤣

    • @jathinr987
      @jathinr987 Рік тому +6

      Larry bird choked in the finals as well, old dogs think we wouldn't know that eh 😂

    • @Prince.Of-Dior23
      @Prince.Of-Dior23 Рік тому

      @@jathinr987 true dat 💀🤣

    • @papichulo6528
      @papichulo6528 Рік тому

      @@jathinr987 i love these new hosts on here man to funny 😂

  • @muterflucker6
    @muterflucker6 Рік тому +4

    Bruh can literally score anytime, how is he not a great scorer

  • @fadya.3660
    @fadya.3660 Рік тому +2

    The fact that we’re even debating this is sad. Yes. He’s up there with all of the other greats.

  • @banzamike7534
    @banzamike7534 Рік тому +5

    Let talk about bird the man avg 15 points in his first final on 41% maxwell won that Fmvp that was in 1981, his avg from the season dropped in the playoff in 82,83 and lost each yrs with 63 and 54 wins both regular season, 84 great post season they win, 85 PPg, reb,ast dropped again in the final and they lost but won 63 games that season, 86 best yrs they won again. in 87 great playoffs run but again PPg, Reb, ast dropped in the final and they lost. in 88 shots 40-114 that 35% against the piston and guess what they lost and 89 get injured in 90,91,92 nothing happened. Don't let some of these old head make you believe great players in the past didn't came small when it counted!

  • @grindologyeast
    @grindologyeast Рік тому +3

    I like Mike calls it like he sees it

  • @eliafuimaono94
    @eliafuimaono94 Рік тому +4

    @6:44 MadDog almost ripped one lmaooo

  • @markfroman738
    @markfroman738 Рік тому

    The supply chain of greatness just keeps on going!

  • @ajlivereacts
    @ajlivereacts Рік тому +6

    How did we make steph breaking the 3pt record front page news but completely downplay lebron becoming the all time leader in points in nba history(which is the most renowned statistic ever)

    • @jhad777
      @jhad777 Рік тому

      Because it’s not the most renowned, were did you get that idea? That record is based on longevity and 90% of players don’t play 20 years

    • @ajlivereacts
      @ajlivereacts Рік тому +2

      @@jhad777 and it is the most renowned. The main goal of basketball is to simply put the ball in the hoop more than the other team. Well lebron has put the ball in the hoop more than any other basketball player who has ever walked on the earth 🌍

    • @omieg89
      @omieg89 Рік тому

      @@ajlivereacts LeBron has already scored more than any player if you combine regular season and playoff points.

  • @JackFri27
    @JackFri27 Рік тому +7

    i thought this was supposed be a debate show. But when it comes to LeBron its most of the time 2-3 people hating on him and no debate. This is a joke

    • @omieg89
      @omieg89 Рік тому

      Nick Wright or Shannon Sharpe would murder any of them on a LeBron subject.

  • @truthseeker9487
    @truthseeker9487 Рік тому

    I'm lost what was the question?

  • @ree572
    @ree572 Рік тому

    who gave the old guy the mic?

  • @peat381low8
    @peat381low8 Рік тому +7

    Please have Mike Francesa on more. Him and Mad Dog know the history of their sports. Not just 1992 and on.

  • @rainmwhop
    @rainmwhop Рік тому +9

    I’m a huge LeBron fan, he’s my GOAT, but I’m glad you pointed out him missing the Nets game. I spent a lot of money to go see him, made personal sacrifices to actually go to the game, just for him to take the night off. I literally told myself “he has Sunday off, it’s not a back to back, he should be playing.” I didn’t give as much thought of him loving MSG because it was a back to back smh.

    • @qudariwilkinson9538
      @qudariwilkinson9538 Рік тому +5

      Jordan the goat buddy

    • @JT-lj2yp
      @JT-lj2yp Рік тому

      Jordan wouldn’t have dicked u like that

    • @jaidenknight2358
      @jaidenknight2358 Рік тому +5

      @@qudariwilkinson9538 nahh he’s not

    • @carterbilbro4615
      @carterbilbro4615 Рік тому

      You can thank the refs for that one

    • @paulmilford1187
      @paulmilford1187 Рік тому

      @@jaidenknight2358 6 for 6 with 6 Finals MVPS never going to a game 7 in the finals and you say Jordan isn't The GOAT.

  • @carterbilbro4615
    @carterbilbro4615 Рік тому +2

    Devolved into “who can discredit LeBron the most” lmao sad to see

  • @B23rie
    @B23rie Рік тому

    We need an hour of these 3 talkin about sports.

  • @Ghanaba23
    @Ghanaba23 Рік тому +3

    Is more difficult to play like Lebron than anyone

  • @devontepiggott1887
    @devontepiggott1887 Рік тому

    How bout they talk bout my man grill with the Buggs bunny teeth 😂

  • @NankoRi
    @NankoRi Рік тому

    SAS: They do call me Stephen Naismith for a reason
    Molly: Who's they 😂😂

  • @stevepacholl615
    @stevepacholl615 Рік тому +3

    SAS spot on. Speaking facts about 2016

  • @Chris-ti3gq
    @Chris-ti3gq Рік тому +7

    I’m not a Lebron fan but he’s a great player and this is an amazing feat

  • @TheDwightMamba
    @TheDwightMamba Рік тому +1

    Besides every championship being "indoor", bubble basketball was some of the best I've ever seen.

  • @Dhk4
    @Dhk4 Рік тому +1

    3:47 that crew minus Bron is a first round exit

    • @omieg89
      @omieg89 Рік тому

      The 2016-17 Cavs were 0-8 when Lebron sat games despite Kyrie and Love playing. Lebron is so underrated.

  • @renherbo955
    @renherbo955 Рік тому +7

    Get these old people off the show 😂😂🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @Itsxmusic
      @Itsxmusic Рік тому

      Thank you lol if you were born pre 1960 your opinion doesn’t matter anymore

  • @OLUWABABA
    @OLUWABABA Рік тому

    Stephen A been talking about these collective bargaining agreements for the past 3/4 years bro lol. 😅😂

  • @DannyP-dm1pw
    @DannyP-dm1pw Рік тому

    I was hoping Jason Giambi was gonna call in.

  • @multiguy11
    @multiguy11 Рік тому +2

    Topics like this shows some ESPN analysts are washed 😂

  • @jaredbehar5977
    @jaredbehar5977 Рік тому +1

    Back aftah dis

  • @Melbester9
    @Melbester9 Рік тому

    As a Yankee fan and someone who grew up watching Mike and Mad Dog on WFAN and YESNetwork. This is cool to see Francesa on ESPN with Christopher Russo. Since Mad Dog is on MLB Network High Heat and hrs been on ESPN First Take with Stephen A for a while.
    There was reports that Mike and Chris were going to bring back Mike and Mad Dog again since the show split. Chris left originally, and Mike took over the show. Then Mike left after a decade with the show by himself and went on to podcasting.
    I met Chris many years ago at Javits Crnter in NY when he was hosting a show on SiriusXM Radio when the convention was hosting the NY International Auto Show and got a photo meet with him. He is the nicest person I have met.
    ESPN gotta bring Mike Francesa more often on First Take with Chris and Stephen A.

    • @timonriehl8707
      @timonriehl8707 Рік тому

      Ain't no way you watched that segment and thought that this was good

  • @hawkeyeeagle5280
    @hawkeyeeagle5280 Рік тому

    man, this is like taking an exam where everyone knows the answer but everyone forgot what the question is

  • @otfnlmb150ripnuski
    @otfnlmb150ripnuski Рік тому

    “He’s not kawhi Leonard”😂😂

  • @joeynatoextras
    @joeynatoextras Рік тому

    Mike & the Mad Dog reunion?!!

  • @tompratt7125
    @tompratt7125 Рік тому +1

    The whole 'bubble' championship is worthless 'argument' is one of the dumbest things I've heard in 50 years of following the league. The bubble playoffs were by far the most objectively fair playoffs in NBA history and the best test ever for actual team quality. Everybody faced exactly the same conditions. They lived in the same place, stayed at the same 2 hotels, had the same restrictions, practiced and played games on the same courts, etc., etc. No home court advantage. In short, almost every 'variable' was removed. The only 'unfairness?' The highest seeded teams like the Lakers, Heat, Nuggets and Celtics didn't get the home court advantage they earned. Yet those teams still prevailed. We should celebrate those playoffs as the fairest ever.

    • @omieg89
      @omieg89 Рік тому

      Exactly it was basically like a science experiment. Everything was controlled and the only thing left was the quality of the players and sure enough LeBron came out on top.

  • @J32_
    @J32_ Рік тому

    Molly: Who's they?
    Lmao

  • @amerik556
    @amerik556 Рік тому +1

    The man with the glasses my God he's good

  • @evanparent07
    @evanparent07 Рік тому

    😬I needed shades to watch this segment 🕶

  • @bobisrast
    @bobisrast Рік тому

    This is a perfect example of "Old Man Yells At Cloud"

  • @galazoulay8498
    @galazoulay8498 Рік тому

    Best show in a while

  • @mattbybee5354
    @mattbybee5354 Рік тому

    What's more important in a close game than the last 2 minutes?

  • @torontoraptors3647
    @torontoraptors3647 Рік тому

    those veneers are too much lol

  • @900evancharlotte4
    @900evancharlotte4 Рік тому

    The bubble was probably some of the hardest NBA ball with no crowd average players playing amazing

  • @Kemet3.0
    @Kemet3.0 Рік тому +2

    Stephen A.... Jordan took those 2 year breaks that LBJ did not. I think that's what Stephen A doesn't get (09:23)