Has Lawrence Stroll RUINED Aston Martin F1?
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2022
- After a pretty bad start to the 2022 season, there have been some reports that Aston Martin employees are under a lot of pressure from Lawrence Stroll. In this video I want to ask: will Stroll ruin Aston Martin's F1 dreams?
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Hey guys! Just a correction on the video - Aston Martin didn’t use CAD files from the Red Bull (that would’ve been very illegal). I read something the other day that said they did, but it must’ve been fake, which is my bad - sorry!
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Thank you for the time on this video but if you are going to do these types of videos you really need to make sure your research is correct: auto cad files and the fact that they actually purchased the brake ducts (as cited by others).
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@@TeachAManToAngle Yep noted! as I said I thought I'd done my research on it, but now my attention's been drawn to it I gave it another look and it turns out I was wrong. Any long-term viewer of my channel will know that I take great care with the research in my videos, so mistakes like this aren't a common occurrence.
they didn't cheat or steal in any way, F1 released that info in Spain....and RB has certainly shut up about it...the pink Mercedes mess is on Otmar he was in charge. prove me wrong and Show me a Quote from anyone saying daddy Stroll demanded they copy the Mercedes? I'm sure daddy Stroll is no saint but he does love cars, he's saved hundreds of jobs, is creating hundreds more, building a new factory, got thru Covid mess and has put his money where his mouth is. Lots of people green with envy talking rumors as facts. and yea he needs to ditch Lance, love to see Gasly with Seb.
Yes. Him meddling and being too hands on is the biggest reason for their underperformance. If he just hung back and let the experts he hired do their job the team would be in a much better position imo
Yes and no. Like The team has many issues with Stroll's meddling right now and it doesn't help but the team doesn't even have a proper factory right now and the team is mediocre generally. Their best results has been kinda best of the rest stuff but F1 has moved on from that now and so has a lot of the expertise that built that up.
Lawrence Stroll thinks F1 is like running Michael Kors....he's micromanag. He copied a 2019 F1 Merecedes for 2020 thinking that design would move the car up the grid. Nope.
Then he "copied" a 2022 RB18B, because he poached ex-RedBull employees, thinking that would move the car up the grid. Then they get deducted 15pts from the WCC standings for copying the brake parts from Merecedes. That's one issue.
Secondly, his son literally sucks in an F1 car....he's not great, he's not average.....he's below average at best. But hey, it's daddy's son and daddy will spend billions to make his son "look good."
Seb, I'm sorry but he's done with F1. He's more interested in the climate such as picking up trash at the Spa venue, selling all his Ferrari's, at times he rides his bike to the track to leave a less carbon footprint, he questions F1's hybrid technology and what that brings to the world as a whole. Seb has gone completely woke or progressive left. He should retire from F1 after Leclerc beat him 2 years in a row while at Ferrari.
You know, now that I think about it, Force India was just fine with its 400 employees and CONSTANTLY being 4th ot 5th in the WCC standings.....at that time they had more points per dollar(budget) than any other team.
Agreed. The best leaders in business surround themselves with the right people and let them have creative liberty
how would you know you dont know shit
Absolutely spot on, an f1 team is not a clothing business and the sooner he realises this the better for the team.
Small correction: they didn't copy the brake ducts. They bought both front and rear brake ducts from Mercedes in 2019 but only used the rear ones (iirc) and both in 2020, but brake ducts became a listed part in 2020. If they had used both the front and rear Mercedes brake ducts in 2019 already and brought them over to 2020 then there would've been no issues.
ah my bad, sorry! thank you for correcting me though :)
@@JohnWarren really changes the story though doesn't it?
The way you told it, you make it seem like fia are idiots but in reality there was just a minor rule change of listed parts where Aston made a slight mistake
@@cyan_oxy6734 chill bro
Thanks for the correction. I just want to add that in 2019 they only used the front ones, while the rear brake ducts were also bought in 2019 (when it was legal to do so), but they were not used in 2019 but only in 2020, so the FIA penalised the team since in 2020 the brake ducts became listed which means they cannot be bought.
“Absolutely disgusting behaviour” is strong smearing language for an inaccurate statement.
The actual reason is: Lawrence Stroll made Otmar Szafenhauer leave... He was the heart and soul of them team. The employees trusted him.
@@oki83435 And who got Whitmarsch into the team? The Janitor?
pu55y Otmar makes apline worse than last year lmao
@@markusjuenemann Yeah we can blame Lawrence for that too. Neither things were positive, as this season is going.
Agreed.
@@markusjuenemann Whitmarsh.... Why does that name sound familiar...
Oh, I know, he was at the top in McLaren in 2007 during spy-gate. Coincidence?
He inherited a very well-oiled machine and ran it to the ground within 1 season. Now that’s talent. I am sooo happy they let Checo go, I would’ve been f*cking heartbroken watching him drive that car
tbf, I think Checo would drive that thing much better than Seb (he's used to better cars) and Stroll
That’s what happens when you get a rich f#@k that supposedly knows fashion and tries to run a race team. Cause you know they are so similar. Ah the egos of the Uber rich.
@@anameyoucantremember facts but I think and everyone agrees Checo is way better off at RB than AMR
@@anameyoucantremember it’s not really that he’s used to way better cars it’s the way he drives it. This drivers are the best of the best thus also drives on other motorsports they know the limit of a car after a few races with it look at Kimi he raced in F1, Rally and Nascar
Vettel raced in other motorsport as well and has technical capabilities no other driver has in the grid idk even if checo knows that much as him other than being at the mid field and trying to fight for positions constantly which really vettel isn’t experienced on he will know his racecraft and try to get the most out of it his qualy pace are decent and race pace is acceptable at the end of the day the car experience don’t differ much as we have new cars and it’s all about how you can control the car not where the car is positioned and how fast it is we can’t really compare both drivers with little to no info about their driving style pther than experience
Did Checo a favour as he has the car he deserves now. All those years of loyalty thrown in his face he deserves to suffer with his copy cat team.
He has turned a team that overperformed its budget into a chronic underperformer. Thanks for documenting his failings.
i feel no matter what kind of money laundering or embezzlement or whatever Vijay Malya was involved in, he never half assed Force India team. He always took care of team and team always performed. It used to be my fav team from the rest of the pack. Now I dont even care about aston martin
Well, well, this aged like Milk😁
The only good thing that happened due to Stroll Snr's actions is Checo having a great career
yep, thats the only upside.
@@pipeqez911 still the only upside?
As awful as the car is this season I think Seb's performance has been really underrated. P8 in Imola, P8 in Miami (until the crash) and P10 in Monaco after awful strategy and he's done it in the second slowest car. I hope the car gets quicker so we can see him fighting closer to or even at the front.
I'd say its 7th to 8th fastest depending on the track. Sometimes Williams or Haas are faster, other times they're slower
@@saladpotet7872 imo it’s only faster than the Williams
AMR is really slow, probably that car is really the second slower one on the grid, but the Haas car, clearly has so much more potential to get insanely quick with few upgrades, but AMR just don't look like that's possible, and probably is because Lawrence is trying to force the engineers to create a Car good for Lance, and it is clearly not giving the results
@@diegoemanuel8641 I actually think the AMR car has a lot of potential especially with the new design. Even Seb said that they hope to be fighting for podiums regularly as the season progresses.
@@saladpotet7872 its hard to say give them 2 more weeks and they will find better setups and people forget Miami was a p20 to 8th thats strong
i feel he should sell aston to porsche or audi , they will mostly run the team better and one more seat will be open to a more worthy driver than lance stroll
100% agree, and it would be nice to see Vettel in German team.
@@cloud42269 Vettel will most probably retire by the end of this season
I thought Porsche was already joining F1 here soon?
Personally I'd rather it goes to Andretti, I really want them in F1. Plus I feel Andretti is more likely to give them a positive work environment than the VW group.
lance is a good driver tho imo
Really didn't even have to watch the video to answer YES to the question....plus even though he is in a FAR better team now, the way they treated Checo was terrible after all he gave to the team throughout the iterations. Lance is not the worst, he is not the best...should he be in F1 is the same question you could levy at a lot of drivers at the back (cough..Latifi) but when you think about drivers who are pay drivers....his Dad literally bought the team for him and he was the worse driver than Checo but we all know he would not be let go - that family is ruining the team I think a lot of us rooted for as Force India but now....not so much!
Everyone who I have heard from that worked at that team speaks of Laurence like he's some tyrant. The team won't see success whilst he has his hands on them.
@paper plane ummm excuse me? Checo was miles better in 2020 season than Vettel or Stroll, he literally outperformed that car that season and the only ones who had more points in total were the Mercs and Verstappen, above the ferraris and Alex Albon. No hate to Vettel but just because you have 4 WDC doesn't mean you are currently better than most of the drivers
@paper plane cry
@paper plane ua-cam.com/video/0SdclddGbLc/v-deo.html
Being a pay driver doesn't mean it is like Latifi or Mazespin
@paper plane He was behind because he missed 2 races due to Covid and yet he still overtook Lance in the standings
Stroll is the perfect example of an owner you don't want. The meddling kind. You want the kind of owner that hires the right people to do the job and then let them do it because that's what you pay them for. An owner that hires the people then also tells them how to do their jobs too never usually goes well.
It reminds me of jerry jones, just attention seeking whore
Well... look at Zak Brown at Mclaren. He is the CEO not the team principal, yet you see him everywhere and he looks to be leading the team as much as Andreas. Although im sure he trusts Andreas 100% to do his job well. It sort of works for them. Yet it's not working for Aston with Otmar wanting out or being pushed out.
@@mcl2584 Well, well, this aged like Milk😁
@@mphouse-ey3no you know what ahaha yes it did. Turns out, CEOs should take a back seat on the racing directing. You can only do both if you have both roles, like Toto.
@@mcl2584 i mean come on, let's see upcoming races
Maybe the team climate is worse now, but on the engineering side I still think it's to early to call. Once all the facilities are built they can hopefully use all the competence they have in their staff. If not, then he has ruined the team.
Ya Lawrence said he didn't think they'd be competitive until like 24-25 he's building a new facility I don't think his goal was short term. Which everyone is making it sound. I could see people not liking him though since he loves his own voice more than anything else in life.
He has made a lot of the right moves off the track hiring the right people and investing in facilities but people want instant results and don't have any patient for long term projects
@@benfulford3943 he (Lawrence) has literally said it is a 5-year project. Don't know where you're getting that "instant results" from.
@@subarnosinha8042 people on the Internet (like this video), pundits anyone criticising him for fucking it all up
Yeah. He’s not selling the team anytime soon. He’s invested too much into it to just dump. And he seems legitimately passionate about the sport as well, he’s gonna be around for the foreseeable future. Its a year with totally new regs, and alot of their new facilities havn’t been finished yet as well. It’s way too early for any legitimate discussions over whether the team has failed or not, but it generates headlines.
I can't count how many times i've seen that goddamn aston be rolled out off that truck
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Ah yes... that famous Aston Martin clip. I guess all F1 related channels got the same Aston Martin promotional footage from the start of the season which results in us having seen it dozens of times already.
@@JohnWarren 2 in this video and 3 times in every other F1 video since Aston released that footage.
It's lost the core competencies that make the team good. ( clever engineering and teamwork). It's lost the teamwork due to fear and it's lost the core competencies because key people have changed. too early to say whether this will be 'another Jaguar Project' but throwing money at a problem doesnt solve it especially with a cost cap. also Stroll Jnr tends to struggle with technical feedback which is Stroll Snr is favouring him will lead to a bad car in terms of development and feedback for how to improve.
I think the biggest and most detrimental thing Lawrence Stroll did was get rid of Otmar Szafnauer. Otmar knew how to manage a race team and understood what it took to run a competitive organization on a limited budget. Stroll's presence in the paddock put so much pressure on Szafnauer that the team could no longer function in a manner that worked for them. Also, having to add Lance to the driver lineup when there were so many more capable drivers on the market left Otmar hand strapped when it came to testing new drivers. Until Lance decides to step aside Aston Martin will never have a competitive driver lineup or a competitive team. If Lawrence really knows what's good for him, he'll sell the team to someone who really has the experience and know-how to run a team and win championships like Andretti Motor Sports.
@paper plane Otmar had very little input on development of that car. Lawrence Stoll micromanaged the entire process which slowed development through bureaucratic top down management. He did fine before Stroll took over the team.
@paper plane Time will tell
You're right about everything, except one detail, Otmar left by himself. When asked about the reasons he said "In a F1 team, there can't be two popes."
That's telling when it comes to Lawrence Stroll incessant meddling and micro-management.
@@Tcheverlika if you read the full interview, you'd know that with "2 Popes", Otmar was referring to Martin Whitmarsh and not Lawrence Stroll.
The AMR22 A-spec was built under Otmar. As the erstwhile TP and the CEO, the buck stops with him. So yes, him leaving is a good thing for the team (even though I highly rate Otmar). Mike Krack has enough credentials to be considered a significant upgrade over Otmar.
When Sergio was let go for Seb, that wasn't good and it wasn't handled well. I think Aston Martin is suffering because of this decision. Point being is, you reap what you sow. Now Sergio is the 2022 Monaco GP winner.🏆 Wow! Congratulations, Sergio! Just goes to show, the good guys can and do come in first.
As much as I love Checo, Aston Martin's current performance has nothing to do with firing him. No one could win in that tractor
@paper plane was the right for decision for Perez
Until now, the best thing ever happen to Checo carrer 😂
lol still doesnt make any sense
It was nice seeing the AMR team celebrating checo getting pole on Saudi
Seb seems pretty optimistic for the upgrades coming in Baku. I feel if Lawrence Stroll stops micro-managing and lets the staff do what they need to, the future for Aston Martin can be promising.
Force India was a great midfield team, and now Lawrence has destroyed it just so that his son can drive oversized go karts
Good one!
This aged well
The absolute karma they’ve been getting since they ditched Checo lmao
True but it is pain just because there is Seb in Aston Martin
Dotching Checo was the best thing that happened to Checo in hes whole career tbh.
And Otmar....
@@meteraphantom9059 an accidental blessing, there was a real chance it wouldn’t have happened though, man couldve ended up out of the sport or HAAS’ Kmag fill in this year which personally isnt the best place to be having seen the car’s race pace.
@@meteraphantom9059 Otmar didn't get a big upgrade tbh, still anything is better than the joke of a fit that Aston is rn. Honestly even Williams is probably a better environment, despite their lack of competence.
It's debatable. Something that's not debatable is that Checo would have been worse off if he managed to stay at Aston Martin
oh yes smol midfield team vs championship winner hmm
@paper plane if redbull makes him that they definitely would lose all their sympathies which they gained the prior years because it's only round 7 and we can see checo being in the championship fight, he's only 6 points behind Leclerc and 15 behind Verstappen, so yeah red bull should let him allow to take that position in my opinion
Lawrence Stroll DID ruin/spoil his own team.From one of the best in the midfield to become one of the 2nd best at the backmarkers.
I don't think effectivly telling your designers "you're rubbish, Merc & Red Bull designers are better" is a recipe for long term success.
@beauty fades I said effectively
Its a shame to see the Aston Martin name being dragged through the dirt. I really don't understand how this man has made his investors any money cause he seems awful at it.
Look how tables have turned.
@@vuckoport699 I am glad though. Great to see Aston doing well and Alonso
Totally onboard with bagging Lawrence Stroll here. Hopefully the team is sold to someone who doesn't try to make it all about himself. And Lance would be better off in a team that daddy didn't buy for him, if he's actually good enough for anyone else to want to sign him.
If Daddy Stroll sells the team, Baby Stroll would likely have to knock on Indycar teams if he wants to continue his racing.
This aged like milk...
I could see a similar thing happening with Aston martin that did with brawn, a German manufacturer buying the team and employing a young German prospect (Schumacher) and a German veteran to push the team forward in development and atmosphere (Vettel), akin to Mercedes return to the grid
I am Sorry to say this but Mick is just an average driver , who is just as prone to accidents as Latifi (maybe more) .
Its just his FANCY lastname helping him out .
As long as Lawrence is there, that young driver you name is called Stroll.
@@BlackDiamondYoutub which isn’t a fancy name at all
@@medipeace307 he was second in F4 2 years in a row, F3 champion, and F2 that’s Russel levels of skill and he had 3 years at the back of the grid most weekends to build up his confidence and learn about the cars, micks had one and he had no teammate there to help build him and give him advice, he’s got that with k-mag sure but, k-mags last teammates friendship didn’t end up very well
@@Shiggiesmalls02 Mick's past achievements in the junior Formula championships doesn't equate him to being an amazing driver. Ocon beat Max Verstappen in the F3 championship in 2014, but I doubt anyone in this world would consider Ocon to be a better driver than Verstappen.
Sell the team to Audi
Bring banger engine
Make Vettel champion
Yeah, easy…
@Matei Vlad That won't make any sound of difference
Biggest problem will be his age
@@malcolmhur5959 Vettel will get dropped like a year after sell because he's too old and out of prime to be a valuable prospect.
@paper plane yeah. Seb is easily still top 7 of the grid any race. Almost every race besides australia he has performed world class
This didn’t age well
Stroll needs to let the team run it and the team principal because he tries to do Mike’s job for him and he doesn’t know what to do and has no experience. Otmar said that Stroll tried to do his job for him and Stroll told him he had to leave after Abu Dhabi or he would be demoted into a worse role in the team because he argued with Stroll.
Yes. Force India had a small team but they have great drivers, Hulk and Perez, and even Ocon. The issue now is a team owner who is a tyrant and is inexperienced in this industry, who won't let experienced people make proper decisions. His son shows glimpses of potential but is nowhere near good enough. They have a test driver who is better than their actual driver, Nico Hulkenberg. They chose Perez to go with all the sponsors to go to get Vettel who isn't as good anymore. This could have been forgiven but Stroll wasn't kicked out. A Perez and Vettel lineup would have been great. If I was Stroll I would sell my team to Audi and they have drovers in that team already, Hulk and Vettel, an all-German team. Hulkenberg still has pace, he showed it this year when he out-qualified Stroll and finished ahead of Stroll with less mileage in the car. So yes, Lawrence has destroyed the team.
Hulk is overrated
Stroll has more podiums than Hulkenberg.
Vettel isn't as good anymore? did you watched this and last season?
Here after Alonso’s P3 in Bahrain and Stroll’s P6 with broken wrists
wow that aged bad
This was more predictable than the rising of the sun. You can’t buy a victory in F1, just ask Toyota
Aged like milk
The sooner he realises that running an F1 team isn't the same as running a clothing business the faster things might improve for Aston.
This was a Team that was most efficient with what budget they had
Hiring and reshuffling people and playing too much of a hand in the Team completely destroys all of that synergy that made it possible in the first place
Baffling that Lawrence still hasn't noticed that
Alright that last point about the Aston Martin Safety car is pure BS 😂 the reason the Merc Safety car has been upgraded this year is because it was slower than the Aston. 😂 Bert actually said the Aston is much more nimble and faster through the turns than the Merc the first time he properly got to test the Aston last season. Also not sure if you know, but the engine in the Aston is literally the same Bi Turbo V8 that is in the merc because the engine for the Aston Martin V8 Vantage is supplied by AMG 😂 AND it has been public knowledge since the Australian GP that the SC was driving slowly because that was what he was supposed to do. There was a statement after the weekend saying that the car is much more capable and wasn't being driven flat out. It's a safety car. The priority isn't to keep the drivers happy it's to keep the marshalls safe when clearing the track.
A few corrections here, 1 Aston Martin was not punished in 2020 for copying the brake ducts, they were penalised as, in f1 you can carry over certain parts, they carried over the suspension from Mercedes and the brake ducts comes along with it, then came the rule that you have to design your own brake ducts, the catch here is in 2019 they did carry Over the front but not the rear, and suddenly they carried over the rear too in 2020 which was against the rules
2 like in 2021 it's not that they didn't understand the Mercedes concept, how come the same concept performed well in 2020 and not 2021, it because the fact when the rear winglets and the other fins were banned to reduce the dirty air, plus the car made to ride higher Aston didn't know how to recover the loss partly because the only partly understood the concept and plus a major change next year compounded the problem
3 the bad 2021 made them to switch to 2022 design very late last year, now with the b spec practically a new car and it will take time to understand, this b spec car is not like the one force India released in 2015 because, the ground effects are very difficult to master and it's not simple as the body effects like before
So with all these problems, and Stroll Sr doing a head master role is affecting the team more, so I accept with Stroll Sr as you said, but these are the other points I like to change
Sell to Audi!! They want a German driver too
Gonna play devil's advocate for a moment- it's hard to say that he's ruined the team when he saved it from A. bankruptcy or B. Mazepin sr. . . and secondly, the Mercedes engine clearly missed the mark on the reg changes. People can shit talk Lance all they want, but he out qualified a Seb a ton of times last year and he's basically driving for free.
Stroll is definitely a fast driver, his form has always been erratic though. Continuing in the hypothetical, I think he’d win races in one of the top cars but would struggle to sustain a championship challenge due to his inconsistency, and this doesn’t sound dissimilar to many of the other drivers on the grid.
The Mazepins didnt ruin Haas, they hunkered down in 2021 on purpose to save money to have a better car. It was their money that ultimately helped Haas perform better this year. Now they dont need them anymore and can say goodbye especially thanks to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Now Haas needs to figure out what to do with Mick.
@@alistairjheeley I actually think it's pretty similar to Vettel post-2016, but once again, need to consider how cost-effective he's been through his career when you consider his dad's backing, the fact that he's brought sponsorship from Bombardier to teams, and that he can score on a good day. All that said, if Stroll sr. wanted the BEST driver pairing possible he'd have kept Checo and brought Vettel in, and maybe loaned Lance out to Williams.
@@RazgrizWing Their money . . . and the Ferrari engine improvements. Every car with Ferrari power is doing pretty well all things considered. Nikita was clearly incapable of being an F1 driver (in contrast to Lance), and having a team outright owned by a Russian oligarch as opposed to a guy who made his own money legitimately would be an embarrassment to the sport. Mick doesn't look good enough for F1, should go into sports cars.
If it's a Stroll family slander, I click, I like and I subscribe
So good job on this one
I miss VJ. He was one of my favorite paddock characters
Totally agree the stroll family clearly doesn't help the team to do better
Karma's a b**** I remember when he fired checo look at checo now.
Short Answer: Yes.
Hence why Otmar left for Alpine.
You forgot to mention how Hulkenberg beats Stroll in the Bahrain qualifying despite Hulk only having to drive the car that week while Stroll had driven the car in testing and the FP sessions in Bahrain.
Lawrence and his son need to go asap that would be the best for Aston Martin
I always knew having Lawrence Stroll wouldn't be good for the team just because of how he handles his business. He is in a sense very traditional and commanding but clearly that isn't working. He's also a businessman and therefore cares more about producing money instead of focusing on building a solid car. It was good to hire all the new personnel with their experience but you can even see that there was more focus on sponsorships too. Just so many things wrong with how he's handled the team
If Lawrence Stroll already trying to sell the team, that could be a free slot for Audi, Porsche, or Andretti (well it's not free but they're more than willing to buy an existing team rather than start new one).
At least it would be somehow possible for these potentially new teams to get into F1 because thanks to liberty media we won't see more teams, instead the clown Stefano Domenicali himself said we fans don't want more teams we want like 30 races a season🤦
Just as it happens at many high level sports, just throwing money and expecting to be good isn't the solution. In FIFA, you would buy Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar and whoever else was in his prime at that season and just see the world bow down to you. PSG did the same thing, look how that's going. Stroll did the same thing, look how that's going. Ross Brawn said in his book that the first year you go into a new team, you are going to fail, not because you're bad, but because you do not know what to fix. Stroll didn't fix a thing, he just demanded them being fixed, he is costing the team money (it's his own but still) and understanding, when they decide to swap their concepts mid season, copying the fastest car is one thing, understanding it and extracting performance is an entirely different one.
facts
aged like fine wine lmaoo
I keep wondering how awesome would it be if Lawrence gets into Williams somehow and we get Lance and Latifi on the same team. I'd love to watch that teammate battle it would be so much fun
GO CANADA !!!!!
I haven't really watched Stroll's tweets but as a whole, it just seems like the team is circling the drain. It would not shock me if he ends up selling the team to Audi/Porche. From the outside looking in, he seems to me like he's just a micromanager. Leaving Otmar to do his actual job and taking a step back might have led to more positive results during his tenur but I think in usual billionaire fashion, he alienated those around him.
You forgot to mention that the atmosphere within the team made Otmar walk away from something he had dedicated a lot into creating
I think all the criticism is deserved. He took a team right on the edge of best of the rest and managed to take it backwards. He should have left the team as it was, but with more funding to reach the next step. I would think the work environment with him as the owner sucks. These guys are already under extreme pressure, I'm sure his ownership style makes it even worse. I hope he sells it. That might even free up a wasted seat his son is taking up.
I rather have the team to just focus on the mid field it's like he is putting pressure to the teams on trying to make this team a champion winning team, the team never had this pressure on trying to be a championship winning team, maybe it's just too optimistic for stroll to make a mid field team to a winning team in 5 years but well this isn't mercedes, this is a mid field team that punch their weight with lesser budget and get good result, what I can see is that stroll plan is just to fast and failing his expectations (p.s sorry if nonsense)
I know PR is PR but it's funny how literally everything in this video goes directly against what we hear and see on the broadcast and the F1 youtube channel
Otmar thought the same and noped out
Lawrence Stroll is very much a typical cutthroat businessman. His method might work in his businesses, but I believe Formula 1 is highly specialized field of business where traditional business acumen just simply doesn't work. Nobody can just come into F1 with a sack of money and win a championship. Culture, structure, chemistry, these are just top of mind things that I believed need to be massaged out, not bought. I'm rooting for Vettel, not the team. Here's hopping Seb can get a decent drive before his retirement.
I don't think he ruined it, they only went to their natural place.
They had to do everything from scratch after the previous car, which is not easy for a small/medium team.
We'll see how it goes after their huge investment in the new factory.
Like it or not, at the end of the day he's a business man, he wants his investment back and he will do what he deems as wise to get it back.
Lawrence Stroll is basically that person in school that ask the kid next to them in class if they can copy his work and try to make it not obvious.
I was waiting for someone to talk about this, but thank god it’s John Warren
I always got the sense that Otmar was not very comfortable with copying the Merc, and that was a Stroll idea. Also really seemed that Otmar was not a fan of Daddy Warbucks in the first place.
In the coming years Aston will be part of a huge controversy involving their constant use of other teams data. It goes far beyond what anyone already believes and is already well in the works. The hero’s leading this are just waiting for the right/safe time to do so
I hope If and when Lawrence sells the team that Lance is still on the team as a driver because I still feel like hes capable of being a good driver
I really like your videos, and You have some fair points. I’m just curious if you can elaborate on Lance stroll trying to sell the team and Red Bull ex-employees taking CAD files and using them for the Aston Martin car. I just haven’t seen it reported anywhere else. Keep up the great work!
small correction: aston didn't use the CAD files and haven't copied the RB sidepods, they have just copied the cuts from it.
These things were very clearly stated in the investigation done by FIA (RB have to prove that CAD files were stolen and shared and they haven't).
Soooo… this video aged REALLY badly 🤣🤣🤣
Unfortunately, you can't fight a biased system of control. Unless you're willing to bring the sport to it's knees.
im sure its mentioned already but they werent penalised because "copying just the brake ducts is bad". its because its a hidden, yet still important aero component, and the fact that its hidden means that for them to have gotten it, theyd have needed the amg design/ the body is excused because its "clearly visible"
It is part of Lawrence’s master plan. He told Checo: „We want to in a different direction.” Now you see what he meant.
Hello from Bahrain 2023, they're 2nd in the constructors now.
Sad thing that Seb had enough of this incompetent team and decided to retire. I can already see Alonso complaining when he's racing for them next year. Alonso is too damn frank and bluntly truthful that it hurts the team.
Tragedy of a billionaire who tried to make his son a formula 1 world champion by buying a team
Obviously. The dude fired two people that were key to managing and planning ahead because he didn't like that he disapproved their ideas.
If Stroll would sell the team, that would be amazing. His son will be booted as well and hopefully someone with a better vision for the team can buy it.
Audi or Porsche
I don't know if I wholly agree. Force India looked strong throughout the turbo hybrid era, but I think that overlooks a lot of critical facts. In 2014 they were the worst of the Mercedes powered teams, and in 2015 the only Merc powered team they beat was the collapsing Lotus team (who had a much weaker driver roster with Grosjean and Maldonado). Keep in mind that during this same time the Merc powered Williams was actually close to the front, being the only customer team able to Red Bull and Ferrari, also Force India had arguably the 2 strongest midfield drivers of the era with Perez and Hulkenberg. 16, 17, and 18 were all strong seasons for them and with other engine suppliers catching up to Merc they were genuinely fighting for best of the rest on total merit. With the collapse of the team in 2018 preventing a lot of development, the 2019 RP team fell back a good ways down the order to being the 6th best car (unable to take P6 due to Stroll underperforming). I bring up their history leading up to the stroll takeover because they didn't take the initial reg change as well as people seem to think, and they really don't have the legacy of midfield success like people seem to think.
Now onward to 2020, the first year Stroll's influence really took effect. After the comparatively poor 2019 season and the self-propagating nature of success in F1, RP had to do something relatively radical to be able to come back and properly fight in the midfield again (for reference, Haas, Sauber, and Toro Rosso had relatively incremental upgrades and stayed in relatively the same position while Williams was unable to close the gap enough to be more than a backmarker). They already had the brake duct designs they bought in 2019, and now they had the funding to actually invest in "inspired" R&D for a low rake angle concept. With their drop off in 2021, I think that ignores just how dominant that 2020 Mercedes was. The AM's qualifying gap to Merc actually stayed the same (about 9 tenths), meaning the floor changes actually affected them about equally in terms of pace. The difference has little to do with Merc understanding the concept better, instead that Merc could afford to lose 5 tenths and still be competitive.
Their failure to be competitive this season is disappointing, but the last round of upgrades seems to have brought them closer to the Alpha Tauri and overall being a better midfield threat. Not to mention that we've seen teams miss the mark on reg changes and come back decently strong despite it. I do think Stroll has made some misteps, but I don't think we've seen enough to say he's ruined it anymore than we could say Szafnauer ruined Force India in 2014.
To answer your question on stealing:
Anything former RB engineers remember in their head is fair game. But it is super illegal to bring any hard data files from one team to another.
Really want Seb to put his talents to work with a competitive car.
Does everyone still agree he drove the company into the ground? Lmao
Lol
They’ve only been around for 2 years. Give them a chance to sort things out.
It's the Problem Ford had when they bought Stewart and renamed it Jaguar. They pumped money in and kept meddling and it caused a team to underperform.
Stroll will probably leave at some point and leave the team penniless
Watching the AMR22 car launch this year and seeing how Lawrence spoke was telling in itself, 0 charisma and just kept reading the script with 0 stage presence. Not a good impression of a good leader
I really miss the force india days. When it stood out. Low budget and punched above its weight. They were definition of grit. Where they raced against far better teams and still remain respectable at the end of it.
That Indian dude who owned, don't care if he frauded thousands of Indians by his airline buisness, but that fatty never interfered into the team. It was his money laundering machine. He allowed the team to do what they wanted to do.
I think it's pretty obvious that Lawrence manages the team about as well as Lance drives the car. Hopefully they'll sell the team to Audi and both go home.
From what I've heard, he's an absolute control freak. This can't be good for the experts who work for him.
coming back to this now and theres multiple points that a well, weak at best
1. to blame aston martin's failures at the feet of stroll is a reach. I think because of the performance of the team in 2020, people forget what kind of team racing point was in the years prior. They were always hovering on average 5-7 in the constructors. them being best of the rest was the exception, not the rule. they also had the benefit of being a mercedes customer team during their most dominant years, which definitely elevated their standings.
2. 2021 was a throwaway year. considering that mercedes caught on to how big the floor changes were pretty late, with all of their resources and know how, its expected that a team that just copied and didnt actually have the resources, would struggle.
3. Saying stroll is bad for the team and that having high expectations is not really accurate. He's heavily investing in the team, and i dont just mean by buying it. They brought in a huge automative brand, increased technical partnership with mercedes, and most importantly, are completely upgrading and building a new factory. this is the definition of a long term investment. they arent pulling dorilton capital
i have a friend who had a co worker who chatted to Otmar once (last year before he left aston), and from what he said, it sounds like lawrence is trying to rule that team with an iron fist, and all the personel are really not being treated right, allegedly Lawrence stormed into a room in the factory, stood on a table and yelled at all the employees for doing terrible and said they better fix it or theyre fired or something like that, so yeah it sounds like hes doing a terrible job running that team
Yess.. finally a video talking about the elephant in the room.. that includes Lawrence Stroll as well
Lawrence stroll ruined Aston Martin before he even bought it.
Lance stroll, that's how he ruined it.
No point copying the car designs, if it doesn't work for their drivers. You got to build a car around your drivers.
They are at the same place they were in 2021 and where racing point in 2019.
And that's the team that changed name how many times? AMR Gp, Racing points, Force India, Spyker, Midland... Jeez, I miss Eddie Jordan as a team owner.
Basically, I think Aston Martin needs is update the facilities and time. Maybe even experiment on cars that aren't F1 cars, like hill climb cars.
I would say dropping Otmar was a critical mistake.
How can you not feel completely embarrassed when you have the seat because your father owns the team.
It takes time. Give it 5 years...then make your decision.
This is aging like milk.
lmao
Maybe Stroll can change the rules and just have Vettel and Lance race in the safety cars. They would place just as high as if they driving the team cars.
Lawrence stroll is not bothered to have Vettel in the team. He needs Vettel for the championship status, not to compete. It’s sad that AMR F1 team is not providing Vettel a car similar to his Redbull or Ferrari spec
Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job
However, this car is gorgeous :)
Probably the most beautiful on the track. And whenever a team (France national football team 2014, Arsenal FC etc) focuses so much on looks, they are usually always bad...