As someone who likes to read new WSJ series weekly your point about people complaining chapter to chapter is so true. A new manga will literally be 5 chapters and people will complain about there being no character or story development. I saw someone yesterday complain about kagurabacchi saying its to slow despite being one of the fastest developing new series I've read and only being 3 chapters, I can understand not liking it but for fuck sake let it play out a bit.
God bless you sir for standing up against Admirals slander. Like there's a good reason why these 3 reached such high ranks. Even now, we barely seen Kizaru took Gear 5 Luffy seriously.
I don’t think current Luffy beats Kaido though. It’s not about how much damage was dealt to Kaido it’s the fact that he never got a chance to catch his breath. Luffy had time to catch his breath and even eat a whole feast before coming back for that final round.
He never needed to catch his breath. For most of the fights up until Luffy attained good haki he was messing around. Even then it’s not like he was fighting top tier characters
@@youngfish1370 Ok if a Pro boxer fights 20 random men off the street and wins back to back but then immediately fights another pro boxer that he’s actually beaten before he’s gonna be very tired still and would lose because of that. Even tho the others guys didn’t damage him much they tired him out. I hope you understand what I’m trying to say sorry if my wording is off.
@@sthinkbombgamingarts8099One piece fans are dumb asf These nitty gritty stuff don't matter Narrative takes priority Luffy is stronger than Kaidou Kaidou is in Luffy's past Argue with Oda
Facts, people complain about us not seeing Zoro visit Ryuma’s grave an disregarding that he most likely visited during that week after Luffy vs Kaido. We are probably gonna get a flash back of Zoro visiting his grave during Elbaf, possibly a key moment which leads to him unlocking a black blade during a fight.
@@doug2555 Honestly this point kinda "scares" me. Oda himself said in an SBS that "there is nothing else to explain in the main story anymore" when talking about Zoro's lineage. It feels like he doesn't want to give it too much care, which is understandable considering both Luffy and Sanji already have important lineages for the main story. Maybe he wants to make Zoro a special case on that aspect, but I'm not sure if I like it personally. I really wanted to see why Zoro was ALWAYS so motivated to be the very best. Ryuma still holds some importance in regard to the whole One Piece lore, so there probably will be some things with him, but I doubt it'll play too much on the "lineage" aspect of Zoro. (aside from fans who know Zoro is, in fact, a descendant of Ryuma) Hope I'm wrong though and that Oda trolled me!
@@winterbeast6326The thing is Lineage has always been pretty inconsequential in one piece. Obviously it still creates stories like Sanji’s whole story, but the common theme is people rejecting their lineage to become their own person. Luffy was supposed to be a marine but become a pirate, Sanji was royalty but rejected that life, Ace was the son of Rogers was hated for it but rose beyond it and even become the subordinate of Rogers’ rival. The point being that maybe everything that needs to be said about Zoro’s lineage has been told. It’d be nice to get that extra lore, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t want it to be something like Zoro is the way he is because of the people before him, he’s his own person with his own motivations.
Believe me when I say a large amount of people in Reddit will make you question humanity. The amount of characters people call weak or "frauds" just because they're not onscreen doing something every two seconds, is a sight to behold.
Im not saying that the One Piece fandom takes got progressively dumber as it blew up in America, but as an American who caught up around 4 years ago just before it blew up in America, I may be implying it
nah it blew up in the normie crowd because of the live action and the hype around g5. It was always super popular in america as someone who whos been around the anime community for like 12 years grew up with the big 3. Its always been Popular in the community. But as the normie crowd from ANY country comes into any community they are just the worst. It happened with DBZ, AOT, MHA, JJK etc. its all just people coming in when something is popular and pretending to be fans.
Old ass post, but too real. If you've ever read the LN Grimgar, that series has 0 chill time - the characters are always fighting, always running away from some huge threat, always getting their asses kicked, and always on the verge of death for like 7 volumes straight - and it's fucking EXHAUSTING to read. Very few people actually want a story like that.
7:00 Narratively, the eos doesn't need to be stronger than Kaido. Just strong enough to match him or simply be more troublesome to take down. Like BB using his crew to tagteam WB/Law or Kizaru avoiding Gear 5 Luffy in order to focus on Vegapunk, Law/Kidd using hax to Big Mom and outsmarting her, etc...
@@RR-lh3by yeah you’re just objectively wrong… I’ll be brief and simple so you can understand. Kizaru plays around at marineford ignoring Ben Beckmann and taking no damage from Marco. Ben Beckmann being comparable to shanks and Marco being able to hold off king and queen and trade blows with bigmom. Kizaru was more than willing to pull up on wano despite knowing kaido and bigmom were there to which akainu says no. Kizaru faces Rayleigh and is barely trying meanwhile Rayleigh claims he wants to help luffy against sentomaru at sabody but can’t. Rayleigh being rogers second hand man and in a data is claimed to have lost non of his former strength. And recently on egghead kizaru completely disrespects a gear 4 Luffy that kaido put on his goat list. And is continuing to outmaneuver gear 5 Luffy. And the spoilers apparently say it gets worse for Luffy but we’ll just have to see.
Ain't downplaying the Admirals, we're just being realistic. You guys are just calling the fight between Luffy and Kizaru way too soon. At the end of it you'll see Luffy mid diffs Kizaru and i still consider Luffy to be the weakest Yonko currently.
Just like in Newton’s third Law, although there were/are people downplaying admirals, there are just about the same amount of people overrating the admirals in reaction. There’s people going around saying Kizaru could have stopped kaido and big mom because he said he could. There’s even smooth brained mouth breathers running around saying that Aokiji LOW DIFFED Garp.
paraphrasing Stan Lee, "the person who would win inn a fight is the person the author wants to win". Edit, i'd also argue that Chopper is pretty important since he was there for Alabasta and he's basically the Mascot of One Piece.
I think the main reason the Admirals get underrated is because of Marco. Marco was shown to be comparable to Kizaru at Marineford. Come Wano he clashed with Perospero (who almost lost to Carrot) and was quickly overpowered by Big Mom (needing Carrot to save him). Then he exhausted himself fighting King & Queen while failing to deal any significant damage to them. So you can see where some of the Admiral downplay comes from.
Well not really because marco did zero dmg to kizaru meanwhile Marco got speed blitzed by a vice admiral and got hand cuffs on him and Kizaru literally shot 3-4 laser beams in his chest and somehow ended up living.
The reason marco did any of that to kizaru was because of plot and to show off marco introducing after that kizaru beamed him twice and almost killed marco
@@giovannieriksandu2432Depends on the vice admiral Garp is that case but he only stayed as one Beacause the world goverment having controll over him if he was a Admiral He only stayed Vice beacause of the limits most vice admirals arn't really like garp but then again oda can just get garp stomped by a dog and die depending on what he thinks whould happen
@@abd1231978You are stretching with this one. Buggy is a Yonko in title, but the reason he has that title is Mihawk, so you can't say Buggy level because he obviously is just the face for Mihawk and maybe Crocodile if he got a lot stronger. So let's be clear, Yonko level means, Shanks, Mihawk, Luffy, and Blackbeard. The reality is, who the hell knows if the admirals are that level, but you are muddying the water's and saying even though Buggy is just a puppet the level of a Yonko has such a wide variance because of him.
This is such a good video!!! (Also, to toxic one piece fans, STOP SAYING EVERY SHOW THAT AIN'T ONE PIECE IS TRASH, LET PPL HAVE OPINIONS, I love one piece, my fav show but like shut up, Naruto hate (as a joke) is kinda funny tho ngl)
The powerscale one was a big W. I saw mr morj try argue that Oda ‘cares’ about powerscaling. Nah he cares about narrative and apparently he’s a perfectionist so maybe in his mind the powerscaling is consistent. But in reality…..it isn't not at all.
Ode definitely does care about power scaling. He just cares about the story more so he’ll do stuff like having characters hold back a lot so two characters can have a good fight when they aren’t even on the same level.
thats a you issue, you cant comprehend his methods so you blame him for your inability that is the definition someone who is irresponsible stfu and never try to scale again in your whole silly life
In the end WB did no meaningful damage, Akainu got back up and started fighting like he never got hit in the first place. People take these moment of character getting “hurt” or “scared” to seriously did you see how many times Kaido got “hurt” or “scared” by the scabbards, Zoro, the worst generation but only for it to in the end never doing anything meaningful.
I mean, Akainu was struggling to fight an old man who had multiple heart attacks during the war, couldn't use haki at all and was filled with bullet holes and stab wounds, even then, Whitebeard handled him like a twig lol
He ran away because he was surrounded by 2 yonko crews and started stressing out lmao no admiral can take on 2 yonko crews and there yonkos at the same time + he had no idea luffy was recovering
@@Tapedat_stk Terrible excuse as they were still recovering and most of them were still injured following the events of the Onigashima raid (Example King and Queen)
@@abethebabelincoln7960no they were very very clearly not recovered, at all and even if they were recovered a bit they were missing an arm and a wing respectively. both of them were still on death's door like zoro and luffy were, who by the way by that time they had just woke up. and they won their fights. you expected king and queen to recover faster than that? with worse doctors? aight
I think the "community" has expanded over the last couple years, and that's lead to some dumb takes or whatever. 100% agree with the 2nd take. Kizaru was easily lasering Marco, and just made Gear 4 Luffy look weak. He's been a total menace in just a couple chapters.
Nah, Marco and Kizaru were going at it pretty much dead even until Marco got distracted worrying about Whitebeard, then Kizaru shot him when he was off guard. Remember also that Kizaru actually had a vice admiral cuff Marco with sea stone because otherwise his regen powers made him too difficult to deal with quickly. Am I saying Marco is as strong as an Admiral? No. But he’s definitely a good deal stronger than the average commander so give him his due.
@@danielmason4014 fair point. Kizaru is super lazy it seems, and rarely wants to try hard. Didn't want to put in too much effort. Mostly running defense there, because the objective was the execution instead of taking out Marco.
luffy himslef said that he only took damage in his gear 4th form from the laser barrier, not from kizaru. Luffy wasnt even using advanced conq which is his strongest technique so to say he made luffy look weak is a crazy downplay.
@@gabriel.g9897 he made gear 4 look weak. Big difference, considering in gear 5 Luffy moved with Kizaru, dodged his laser, and then basically 1 shot him. The difference between 4 and 5 is huge.
@@danielmason4014 Marco is comparable to people such as Greenbull or Fujitora, but will ultimately lose to the three original admirals(Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji) because from what we know right now, Akainu is the strongest marine ever(confirmed) while Aokiji can be comparable to Akainu(a bit weaker but around the same strength) while Kizaru, although we don't know much about him, is incredibly powerful and has never actually put in any effort.
man facts people are saying ulti>katakuri when they know damn well if katakuri up and came to wano he would dog walk all the tobbi roppo just cause he’s that guy
Annnnnd Luffy beats Kizaru in one blow to the head, and Green Bull didn't attack Wano until everyone was tired and Kaido was gone. So maybe the admirals are strong but there is a reason they had to assemble everyone to fight an emperor who was 80 years old and dying slowly.
7:47 Kaido literally used a move that coated himself with a magma-like substance that melts rock. You expect him to die from Magma after that whole thing?
Fair points on all these Robin getting an entire 1.5 arcs dedicated to a plot centred around her was the exception, not the rule. A lot of people discount the idea of Usopp getting development in Elbaf because of Franky not getting his expected plot points on Egghead, but were already getting hints that might be how its going, to your point about the OG five always getting the most attention The admirals are almost always handicapped by personal or political circumstance. The fact that Oda has said Akainu, if he was the protag, would have the story wrapped up within like a year tells me everything I need to know about what Oda wants us to think about these Admirals in terms of what menaces they are. Kizaru got shlapped around on Egghead cause his heart wasnt in it for personal reasons. In One Piece thats all it takes sometimes so its enough to justify the beating to me Hyper literal power scaling and contrived agendas are dumb af, nuff said Kaido is going to be the peak of physical strength in OP. Every opponent that poses a serious threat to Luffy from here on is gonna do so on account of having a uniquely difficult DF ability that Toon Force doesnt just dominate (look at the Gorosei) or by having insane Haki hacks (like Shanks is clearly operating on) Kaido is, pound for pound, just the toughest wall Luffy is ever gonna have to face in terms of raw force. Like you said, that doesnt mean there wont be tougher fights. The BB fight could literally go SO MANY ways
Something that I am curious about is why people are so obsessed with Kaido needing to be powercliffed by EVERYONE. Kaido is going to get powercliffed eventually, it will happen. But with the new God Knights, Imu, 5 elders, Akainu, the admirals, Dragon, Backbeard, Mihawk and Shanks, the only ones that NEED to be powercliffed over Kaido are the ones that need to give Luffy his big 1v1 at the end of a major arc. So the obsession with characters that are probably not even going to end up as main arc villains being randomly powercliffed for the sake of it has always confused. Specifically the admirals. Akainu is Luffy’s opponent, so do all three of the normal ones also need to be stronger than Kaido? People already made the comparisons for Sanji to fight Kizaru, Zoro to fight Fujitora, and possibly Jimbe to fight Greenbull. With such a massive cast of characters remaining, it would kinda break the world building if a system held in balance for 20 years was a complete sham with massive power discrepancies.
I dunno. I think Luffy fights Akainu but gets diverted to Imu. Call it based, call it trash writing, but Oda is setting up a fight to the death between Sabo and Akainu. I know a good majority want Luffy to put him down but plot calls for Akainu to die just as he killed Ace. Luffy is not about revenge. Sabo, well he is. And we do not even know if Sabo knows how (or who) killed Ace. He only read about it in the paper and they likely did not put in the paper (which cured his amnesia) that "Akainu punches a hole through Ace." It probably stated Ace was executed and that is it. Though I can be 100% wrong I just been around the block with anime. Everyone think Oda is Goda but he does follow tropes a lot.
@@mav3622 Hard to say. Luffy is the main character, so there’s no saying he doesn’t fight Akainu then moves onto Imu in the next arc. Maybe there is a big battle between all the yonko and Admiral before the god knights and Imu take center stage after.
Cause people like the admirals, dragon, Blackbeard, Mihawk, and Shanks have been hyped up for a decade irl. So it’d be pretty underwhelming for people hyped up for that long to disappoint. It’d be like in Naruto, Madara showing up but he’s weaker than Sage Mode Naruto from the pain arc
I honestly always thought that Yonkos were over the admirals or around the same level, of course some admirals might be stronger than certain Yonkos. But just because the admirals appear at the end of the story doesn't mean they are stronger, it just has to do with the story revolving the ancient kingdom and the sketchy stuff about the world government. Since they are clearly the main villains in the one piece story, now when we talk about the five elders and Imu's strength compared to Yonkos, it might be another thing.
See, I would kind of agree with the first one, but the splitting of the Straw Hats during Dressrosa and Whole Cake Island leads me to disregard that. Luffy, Franky, Zoro, Robin, and Usopp all got fantastic, delicious screentime in Dressrosa. Same with the others in Whole Cake Island, but, well, that was a bit different considering that was quite literally Sanji's arc.
I mean, lets be honest here, screenstime is not screentime. Compare the content of usopps screentime in dressrosa with frankys. Usopp was a key figure, while franky just had a manly brawl. There is a bigger thing at play with the original 5. Hell, sanji got a whole 2 arc. And then you got zorro having almost always a top 3 fight in the current arc. Brook arguably only got 1,5 important plots post timeskip. And while jimbei was quite cool in wholecake and wano, that was always the case for every new member in the arc after.
Yeah I’m subscribing you one of the only one piece fans left that can actually comprehend the story Only thing I’d say oda does care about power scaling in a sense that all high tiers scaling is pretty similar BUT you were also right about if we see a more important characters like doffy he’d definitely be stronger thank ulti bcz it’s his story
@@waifuhunter9709 Yes luffy losing 4 times were all different luffys 1st luffy is slighty above katakuri with fututre sight and base arm and coc 2nd luffy has adv arm and future sight so now he can do decent damage to kaido but still is nothing to kaido since luffy said all of his attack were too shallow meaning anybody weaker than this luffy did next to nothing 3rd luffy can use all the previous versions of haki and a crude version of acoc so but at this level he's essentially yonko level since we see all yonko greet each other by splitting the sky but such a clumsy use of acoc doesnt last long in battle. 4th luffy is where he has all the tools to go toe to toe with kaido since acoc boost all of your base stats seeing that base luffy/g3/g3 can now react to thunder baguas even after getting blitzed through future sight previously. this is when kaido fully accepts luffy and enter his drunken stages stages and then luffy runs outta gear 4 and dies from cp0 stunning luffy and dropping his guard (oden losing to just one swing after being shown Crazy endurance feats) 5th luffy with g5 pretty much spanked kaido and yes kaido adapted but all in all g5 has too much utility and kaido loses a haki clash and got sent to the gulag
@@fuzzo2734 Kaido was lifting up all of onigashima and was jumped by luffy and his gang. We saw on how momonosuke struggled to move onigashima(although he was inexperienced). Luffy loses to Kaido still but it will be an extremely high difficulty(at this current point in the story).
Another Fact: Blackbeard is top 3 in verse. It’s mostly for the narrative and because he got plot armor like Luffy but no character is going to take him out in a fight unless you’re named Luffy.
Honestly nowadays I see more admiral lovers than glazers. I think the admirals are strong but these people have been saying stuff like “kizaru>luffy which is just not true. Some of them have even said fujitora>blackbeard>shanks which just isn’t right
I disagree with the Kaido thing. Even if Luffy is now the strongest One Piece character, it could make sense narratively. Luffy could simply face several opponents and the tension wouldn't suddenly be low. Not every story has to follow "Fight strong character, then a stronger character, then a stronger character over and over again and the story is done once you become the strongest" - Luffy could be subdued easily if one of his nakama was kidnapped under a threat of death. So yeah, Kaido is still top 1.
As much as it pains me, I have to agree with your first take. I love each and every single straw hat (including vivi) to death and it breaks my heart knowing that Oda may (hopefully not) have a bias towards the East Blue gang, resulting in less attention towards the grandline and beyond members aside from maybe gags or whatnot. (robin and maybe chopper being an exception possibly?) Obviously, they've got such iconic scenes that seemingly put them front and center of the story mentioned the barrel scene, moments like that can not be replicated as they hold such significance and crucial part in the strawhat journey. I just hope that by the end of the manga, each strawhats gets to participate in at least one charming personal moment that replicates the beautiful barrel scene, outside of them finding the one piece ofc. I guess we got that maybe in Wano when they had their mugs set on a barrel before fighting Kaido or maybe when Luffy told them his true dream but now that I think we have all of the members of the SH, it'd be nice to have something more intimate. I just want them all to shine man 😭 also you're absolutely hilarious and I find your that your vids give me an immense feeling of joy and comfort talking about OP. you've got a new subscriber sir
It's funny because yes kizaru might lose to Luffy maybe because oda just wants that to happen but even if you take him out of the picture akainu is a beast and I'm sure we haven't seen his full power
We’ve seen his full power (which is not his full power anymore) but we’ve never seen him be put in any sort of trouble or seen his full output when he’s not conserving stamina (which I don’t consider the same thing as “full power,” more like one of Luffys but finishing moves I mean.) or even the full extent of his endurance. Hell, even whitebeards crack to the face that LITERALLY flattened his FACE only seemed to slow him down for a minute or two. If it was whitebeard vs akainu 1v1 at he war, I think akainu would’ve won extreme dif. Unfortunately for him, the whitbeard pirates are more than just whitebeard. His crew is filled with some of the strongest around. Akainu couldn’t take the whole crew. That’s the only reason the other marines and the warlords were there
@@michaelthatoker7125 but it's even stated that he can't go all out and fear of hurting everybody else so I'm assuming if it was him for his white beards crew he wouldn't have held back at all and just melted everything around him
@@Whelp140There’s just too many of them if it’s akainu vs the whole crew. Speaking as someone whose fought 10 plus guys, you can take 4-5, hell even up to 8 or 9 of them, but all it takes is one guy to pull the legs out from underneath you and you’re done. He never unleashed his most powerful aoe attacks but I think when he did things like punching half of whitebeards face off or trying to kill luffy/ace, he was going all out, just more focused.
Been a dedicated straw hat since around 2010 but I used to watch it occasionally on Cartoon Network when I was younger. Been crazy to see just how much it’s blown up.
My hard facts One Piece fans need to accept are all Gear 5 based I hate how to put everything onto imagination even that Luffy is only rubber cuz he was told he is, this is just stupid since in Anime, Manga, and Life Action all Luffy was Rubber before he knew what he ate and that triggers me more than it should.
Yo the last one is so true bro, caught up reading the manga during wano and did not get the complaints I saw. The weekly reading experience is so different to reading it all at once and it really colours people's opinions.
Bro thank you for getting on the case of the power scalers, like, people in this universe can literally just be written to die from some random guy shooting them in the back with a normal gun. Croc will come back and he will be relevant, and its not because he trained in the mountains for 2 years he just is gonna be written to be relevant. People please.
I never gave a shit about OP powescaling or powerscaling in general, One Piece was always a series where "A > B, but that does not mean A > C." I watch One Piece for the adventure and the mysteries, I get how it's fun to consider hypothetical fights between two characters but it's up to Oda how these characters turn out. We ain't watching and reading the greatest story that's ever been told but just have fun with it and you're golden
Literally all facts, specially that last one, that's what's happening with CSM rn with people saying it "fell off" because there's actual plot and build up and not things happening for no reason
5:30 thank you for pointing out how stupid this is. The artists just do not care about math, they care about it looking cool. And for some reason powerscalers keep on doing it.
I gotta disagree with the gear 5th vs Kaido thing. Kizaru is currently playing around with gear 5th Luffy and Kaido had back to back fights with characters that can shred up his internal organs all for Luffy to get the mother of all ass pulls that let's him no sell Kaido's attacks. I personally believe that while Luffy was exhausted in gear 5th in terms of damage output, speed, strength, and everything else besides stamina he's firing on all cylinders this is the only real explanation for how he came back to life still able to hurt Kaido after that ass whooping.
one piece characters don’t lose attack power as they lose stamina. everytime we see someone low on stamina they’re still able to use their strongest attacks. kaido used his strongest move against luffys strongest move and lost. and it would happen again
@@zah13r41 Luffy's transformation exhaust him very quickly so much so that the short period he fought Lucci left him winded. Even if he has the strength and speed to consistently hurt full strength fresh Kaido it won't mean much because he won't be able to finish the job before he burns out and Kaido takes the win. He's been fighting Kizaru for a couple chapters now and has yet to do a single bit of meaningful damage and Kizaru should be relative to Kaido if not a little weaker.
@@zah13r41The main argument against Luffy beating Kaido if they ever fought again is that Luffy's gear 5 transformation does not have the stamina to keep up with Kaido. I has been shown like with the Lucci(kinda) and Kaido fight Luffy can't maintain it for a long period of time and it's almost the exact opposite for Kaido. Throughout their fight Kaido almost always kinda underestimated Luffy as a threat until Gear 5th popped off , for as many new tricks Luffy displayed Kaido did displayed how many he had in his back pocket. This kinda let Luffy get all those shots off on him and while I agree his attack power didn't drop but his ability to keep going did because of this. I think by the time Gear 5 came out Luffy managed to close the gap in stamina and strength enough between them to give himself that window of time to win. I doubt Kaido would ever go that easy from the get go with Luffy or give him those openings. If a fresh Kaido fights a fresh Luffy , Kaido wins because even if they have the same attack power Luffy's Gear 5 is too draining on him that he'd burnout before Kaido. Tho it would be a high to extreme diff fight.
1st Take- I agree. 2nd Take- I agree, I never downplay Admirals as many of them are some of my most favorite characters in the entire story but where i draw the line is when people try to say they dog walk any yonko like Kaido and Shanks. 3rd Take- I agree, i hate that its true but it is. 4th Take- I agree, Currently I have Shanks over him and some other characters like Imu, Prince Loki and Dragon could be stronger due to the story. Hes still a top 10 character but not 1 but i still have Kaido > Gear 5. 5th Take- Strongly agree, besides pacing issues this is why the story is 1000+ episodes.
1st Take is fine whether it will remain true or not. 2nd Take, I agree Admiral can compete with Yonkos but Very few commanders can give them good fight 3rd take is mostly nope. Feats>Narrative as feats are more objective while Narrative are too subjective. But its true some calcs are too atrocious that I would prefer narrative over them. 4th Take. We put Kaido top 1 current era because of actual statement of world strongest creature. Not everyone in the endgame has to be above him. Only Blackbeard and Imu has potential to be above him 5 take I agree.
A title isn't fully facts the world's strongest creature got beat by Luffy no no one except for him did anything to him I mean white beard at his old age still have the title of world's strongest even though he is the absolute weakest yonko at that time
3 take I disagree One piece is a story about a man liberating the world with his personality as he embarks on an advneture with his vaules that overshine the values of old people So luffy being stronger than kaido isn't beacuse of feats it's beacues he wants a world were everyone can eat a drink as much as they want versus kaidos ideals of just inslaving everybody who he sees His world view is simply better so he is stronger Shanks was a yonko and he lost his arm to some sea king witch luffy one shotted so Yeah narrative over power scaling
@@lividellis2757Zoro cut kaido. Kid and Law prob exhausted him. He got back up like fifty times even more than doffy. he only barely lost due to gear 5 and previous factors so it wsnt just luffy. Id say Kaido is still the stronger creature and whitebeard was the strongest man(In his prime)before he got old. That might be what they meant.
@@dragon-kun199 Zoro did scratch him but it wasn't much it was still damaged though Kid and law did not exhaust him a lot they probably still exhausted him just not enough to really make a difference he barely lost the gear 5 in my opinion especially because of the last clash between them two with their haki that Luffy is stronger but not by much either way it was a extreme difficulty fight but still Luffy being practically on death door and kaido in a lot better shape than Luffy was in gear 5 is evidence to say that it would be high or medium difficulty for Luffy to defeat kaido if they were fully fresh.
I love the chapter by chapter point, cuz some people be complaining like that lol From your intro, I thought you were going to talk about the community changed since a few years back lol (spoilers, over the top worshipping, etc)
This is my honest opinion akinu is heavily underated by op fans because he killed ace. I think his devil fruit is very cool and hes a decent villain. People really like do flamingo, a guy who destroyed dressrosa and killed 1000s of people while hating a man who is hated for killing one person while he was all ready set up to be killed.
The reason people "probably" hate him is because he is a marine and an admiral. People tend not to like villainous marines who obey celestial dragons. That's just my theory, and it probably is wrong. Also, we are more attached to Ace, then we are to the people of dresserosa.
@@kidusgirmay7574 Get caught up to dressrosa arc atleast Akainu literally back talked with gorosei and called "celestial dragon puppet" Plus being a marine and admiral doesn't mean to obey justice and being good It is to follow or make the marines stronger and that is exactly what akainu is doing It has stated he has made navy much stronger than sengoku's rule in fishman arc
@Fragto372, being a marine, is subjective since they have different definitions of justice. Also, being a marine is to obey justice. That is the reason they are seen as the "good guys." And I know akainu back thalkes the gorisei, but he is still the celestial dragons puppet and is obligated to protect them, which is a bit weird since he hates evil people.
@Fragto372 akainu was littraly getting shouted at bye a normal celestial dragon and getting complaints about some food. Idk what chapter it is, tho. And akainu doesn't really make much sense since he wants to eradicate evil but protects celestial dragons
for kaido it was said in the manga that in 1v1, he wins, it's as simple as that; so believeing he's top one, but from what we saw in the last chapter, questionning that is possible, mainly isnce the manga didnt ended in wano xD
You lost me when you said current luffy beats kaido fresh. Lets make somethings clear Upuntil gear 4 even with advanced haki luffy is Barely hanging with kaido and this is before he busted out his stronger moved . Any of the named attacks gear 5 luffy took would decimate luffy in other gears . For gear 5 Kaido is =/> gear 5 luffy in staight speed since be blitzed gear 5 luffy multiple time. In AP of all attacks barring thier final moves kaiod has better AP than luffy. Durability is a tricky question since gear 5 luffy takes little to no damage from kaidos attacks from what we can infer so this has to go to luffy When it comes to the attcak power with a all out attack it would go to luffy obviously with bajarag gun . But the problem with this is no opponent not even kaido if not for the plot will take luffys fist head on agisnt gravity like kaido did when he couldve easily avoided it . So the conclusion is kaido will suffer some major damage buy he will simply outlast luffy in a fresh fight because luffy can't deal enough damage aginst kaido before gear 5 . The scenario with the most probability of luffy winning is he using his normal gears to wear out kaido and then going gear 5 to have a fesh start at a weakened kaiod which in my opinion would turn out similar to their fight on rooftop the only difference being kaido wouldnt be a punching bag for luffy to get free hits in
At some point, after unlocking Conquerors coating, Luffy could hang with Kaido. By hang I mean become one of maybe 10 people who wouldnt immediately be decimated by a serious Kaido. They eventually had a classic Yonko haki clash. The problem is, he can only hang with Kaido physically in Gear 5. Zoan devil fruits boost durability, regeneration and physical abilities. The only thing it doesnt affect is fatigue. Obviously, awakending your Zoan has a multiplicative affect. Kaido was such a tank without even awakening his Zoan DF. Conversely, those advanced haki attacks were wrecking Luffy. Gear 5 is the only time Luffy could take consecutive hits from Kaido and not immediately turn half dead. The problem is Kaido can 100% still hang with Gear 5 if he was fresh. When Luffy momentarily lost Gear 5, that is the first time in the entire arc we noticed fatigue set into Kaido. Even Yamato commented on it. Kaido fought Big Mom for 3 days. Luffy simply cant hang yet. Of course, strength nullifies endurance at some point, so he doesnt need to last 10 hours in Gear 5. Just not yet. Oda did not mistake his power scaling for narratives. He meticulously broke down Kaido until the final clash, where Luffy overwhelmed him with his willpower. Not to mention how he uses Luffy to kill or confirm dreams. Not to mention Kaido explicitly saying the man who will defeat him is JoyBoy. Oda was cooking, and its ironic how he complains about slow One Piece fans. Despite his rapid growth, Oda had to compensate for Luffy's major lack of experience. He wont immediately jump past Kaido, even after Egghead.
Too many OP fans don’t get Shonen rules man, especially when it comes to Kaido. The whole “1 on 1 bet on Kaido” speech has done irreparable damage to future villains since you’ll just have these people saying nobody will ever be stronger than Kaido because he’s the strongest creature. Sure nobody will be as durable and as much of a brawler as Kaido but we’re gonna get to the point where Hax and other categories would theoretically allow characters to beat him. An example of this is on Twitter when we saw Imu attack Cobra and Sabo I saw Mfs on Twitter saying Kaido slams Imu because there’s no way Imu can pierce Kaido with that arrow. Like bro, this is the semi final or the FINAL boss of One Piece, Imu will absolutely bend Kaido over, that’s just Shonen rules.
Meanwhile imu shits his pants because of 8 hundred years old haki from halfway around the planet. He got so butthurt that he murdered his at least 200 years old loyal servant. Imu is a fraud. Garling is also a fraud and you will see. The only asset WG has now is Akainu.
7:12 I can easily debunk that! Luffy underwent many opportunities of recoveries and rematches that Kaido never had. Him "dying" was nullified the moment that his fruit RESTORED Luffy back to life AND got stronger from it. If Luffy maintained his cause of death after revival, he wouldn't be able to fight due to whatever injury killed him would've remained: internal bleeding, crushed bones/organs, brain damage, etc... but all we see afterwards was scratches and exhaustion.
Speaking of exhaustion, this was revealed to be a side effect from using Gear 5. A fresh Luffy toying with Lucci literally underwent the same drawback. This weakness is dangerous against a non-damaged Kaido who can spar ACoC moves with Big Mom.
That's on relevant because it was stated in the manga that he was still dying none of the injuries was restored it was still there as you can see them when he got out of gear 5 as it's never been stated that awakenings revive a person to full health think of it as a game you get revived but you gets a little health back your overall Hp is close to none
A good thing to note is that Zoan type devil fruits give you enhanced durability and regeneration. Awakening gives you even more (Lucci getting clowned by Luffy, just to recover shortly after). Luffy started to tank attacks from Kaido that were initially one shotting him. A fresh Kaido still outlasts current Luffy 100%. Luffy hasnt mastered haki to the point of beating Kaido in his base form. Haki transcends all, and Luffy didnt clearly dominate Kaido with his haki, though I'd say they are relative at this point. The same way Luffy became relative to Katakuri. Luffy needs Gear 5, and we saw Kaido clearly able to adapt to and trade blows with Gear 5 while fatigued.
Wano had lots of Wano specific stuff that didn't get fullfilled. I caught up a couple years ago, but the fact that I heard "One piece end in 2 years" 1 year ago when It was obvious it wouldn't and that some stuff might get cut out and reorganized because of it... It made me feel for real that ODa might be rushing stuff.
The thing I hate abt OnePiece community is that they think "I know everything" But then straight up dick ride Admiral and forget the statement from Garp "entire Marine organization is what it takes to beat up a strong Yonko crew" Also, this man literally had a motive of "stop headcanon" And then straight up created a headcanon abt and then said "Oda keeping Admiral for later, that's why nerfed them and they keep holding back"
@Bon-Kaizer crazy how what you thought is true is NOT true and was predicted by me more than a year ago How are you STILL riding on that Admiral Agenda after Garp humiliated Kuzan to the point that the only damage Garp had was after Shiryu landed a cheap blow 😂 Kuzan was getting bodied by an old man above 70-80 years of age 😂💀
@Bon-Kaizer you meat riders can bend anything and talk ANY irrelevant shet to be correct ONCE in your life can't you? 😂 First of all, there's a difference between prediction and theory, what you're talking about is NOT a prediction, it's a theory which isn't "yours" To talk about, everyone believed it 😂 And secondly, how is "Kizaru fed Luffy" Even relevant talking about Kuzan vs Garp? 😂 As you said, Why can't you just admit that you're damn wrong lol 😂
Personally i dont think luffy can beat kaido right now but but i do agree with 99% of the stuff he says with my bring a huge fan of powerscaling anime.
Manga spoilers: These fans that want oda to speed up and get to the payoffs are definitely also the people who got annoyed that he didn't give time to izo's grave and other stuff before leaving wano like you can't argue both sides here lmao 😂
Nah you’re crazy, Kaidou is #1 1 v 1, 5% damage? He got stabbed by the scabbards, stabbed in his heart, then cut by sonic blades in his organs lol. Multiple Luffy fights, then fought Gear 5. Kaidou didn’t get the Rob Lucci treatment lol
Other fact: Oda didn't plot everything from the start. He leaves certain parts of the story unclear and decides, years later (whenever he remembers it), if he's gonna do something with it or leave as it is. For example: Shank's intimidation of Sea King and Enel's mantra -> Haki is introduced (at first is invisible, then Oda decides to make a visual representation of it); Luffy and Ace are brothers -> They aren't blood related, Ace is actually Roger's son, and Sabo was a third brother; Ancient Weapon Pluton's location wasn't revealed in Alabasta (Oda probably planned it to be in Alabasta originally, since Crocodile and Vivi are becoming increasingly important as we approach the final arc) -> Oda reveals in Wano that the location of the weapon is ... Wano of course lol; Warlords weren't a thing at first, but then became a thing; The worst generation (Kid, Law, etc) weren't planned from the start to become important; How Roger understood the poneglyphs and who was the second commander of the Whitebeard Pirates before Ace? -> Oden is introduced; Luffy's Devil Fruit has hints of it being special and potentially a Zoan -> Oda creates a mythical creature for the Devil Fruit instead of a pre-existing one; Momonosuke's Devil Fruit is considered a failure -> Oda decides to make a joke out of it; Blackbeard is reffered as "them" by Luffy and Zoro back then -> Oda makes him able to eat two(+?) Devil Fruits without consequences, and probably some other thing in the future. Etc ... And let's be real here: one of the motives that One Piece is what it is, is because Oda wants to continue earning money with it.
ya what u said about powerscalling is totally true, and oda literally shows us how he doesn't give a F about powerscalling, like when a fan asked how big could bartolomeo's barriers be and he aswered that they could reach a maximum size of "50.000 bari baris" or when they asked him how much can luffy stretch his arms and he aswered "72 gomu gomus". Like he literally doesn't care for powerscalling, for him a great story that might get you amazed or simply get a laugh out of you is more important.
Whats worse is these new OP fans after g5 and during the g5 hype train only came for the fight when in reality alot of OP is more story driven than it is a fighting anime.
I always just assumed the admiral slander was because up until the recent story we hadn’t seen them do anything aside from attack injured & dying people (deaths door whitebeard & sabaody zoro) then the OG 3 would spam logia intangibility since haki was barely a thing yet (except my GOAT fujitora putting respect on the admiral title ) then after the timeskip they didn’t do shit for around a decade until egghead where it’s clear the community has straight up lost it
Honestly I’ve always been saying it’s vice captain, admiral, emperor at least for the named categories. They aren’t easy fights obviously, but admirals most of the time do not have a chance against yonko in a straight 1v1
This is a weird one for me. Like, i agree that oda cares more for the story than powerscaling, but i yet have to see a powerscaling mismatch (other than croc in alabasta, and even that is debatable). He creates scenarios that nerf or buff certain characters for the plot to proceed and highlight the story, but these buffs and nerfs are an indicator of the powerscaling itself. I dont understand for example how some get mad if a character cant get all out, because they dont want to/cant destroy their surroundings. This isnt "oda had to nerf them so its an even figth" its "the character acts according to their morals", which builds character AND makes the fight more interesting.
Powerscalers largely fall into 2 groups: 1. They’re doing it for fun/trolling group 2 2. These people have attached their identity to who they like more/think is stronger, and therefore anybody who disagrees is an insult to them personally, because “I like this character, and you don’t like them, then you must think I’m stupid for liking them”.
Perfect example of linear scaling/transitive propery not working: BB beat Ace Ace was pretty much stated to be even with Jinbei pre-timeskip due to them fighting to a standstill after days BB (and i claim his entire crew) would have been wiped by Jinbei like they were by Sengoku (not saying Jinbei is on Sengoku's level here either!) The matchup of BB's fruit, Ace's blind determination to avenge Thatch and bring justice to Teach etc. just counted more than raw destructive power or "feats".
That's not a good argument considering that fight was offscreened and theirs still alot we don't know about blackbeard and his abilities and sengoku is a goddam fleet admiral at that time he better wash them
dawg bb and ace destroyed a whole island with their one v one, jimbei not doing that, katakuri vs luffy was close to that level of destruction in the mirror world and it was a yc fight, bb had haki, ace had haki, ace was still boxing even thought he got his powers stopped during the fight miltiple times, bb is a natural counter to df users and ace still put up an amazing fight wdym jimbei is not doing as good as ace is doing in that scenario
Oda made another barrel type scene in wano when they all lifted the cups so i would argue that ur wrong and the only straw hats that get special attention is luffy zoro and sanji.
Ive been watching week to week since just before the start of Dressrosa, caught up at that point in 8 days, was at Marineford by day 4 cause I literally could not put it down. I wasnt sleeping at all, the ultimate Binge, then Dressrosa took like 4 years and my god that was a tribulation for me but never once did I say Oda fell off. One Piece is the greatest story ever told imo and Oda has truly crafted a masterpiece. Even when I know that something is currently beyond my scope of understanding, I know he's waiting in the wings to sweep me off my feet with how that ties in later on.
I got caught up in 2017. Its been such a wild ride, but i think the popularity explosion of the series these past few years has really changed things. Im never going to be upset more people are sharing our passion for the story, but the even when i got up to date the leaks and spoilers weren’t nearly as prevalent. Now I genuinely feel a bit bad for the anime only watchers because those who wait for each new manga chapter are having our minds blown like we just saw saturn on a weekly basis and we cant keep our mouths shut. So so glad OP is becoming more popular in the west because it deserves all the attention
People saying Egghead sucks at the start just don't realize that weekly chapter releases are the issue. I watched the anime until Egghead then read. I binged it up to in or around kumas back story. And it was one of the quickest arc reads ever. It flew by and was so good.
5:20 People also forget that Oda doesn't write characters to be stagnant just because they are not main characters or haven't been getting much screen time. Everyone can grow.
real shit can only really let chapters build up before reading them if you dont mind being spoiled or dont watch anything one piece related on youtube since immediately after a chapter comes out people are releasing videos talking about it and the title/thumbnail spoils something basically all the time
One thing one piece Fans need to accept is that this channel is hella underrated
Facts
Its really not 😂😂😂😂
@@SupremeGrandmasterAzrael18K subs 😐
It’s like all the other channels, guesss you can say they’re underrated to
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As someone who likes to read new WSJ series weekly your point about people complaining chapter to chapter is so true. A new manga will literally be 5 chapters and people will complain about there being no character or story development. I saw someone yesterday complain about kagurabacchi saying its to slow despite being one of the fastest developing new series I've read and only being 3 chapters, I can understand not liking it but for fuck sake let it play out a bit.
Some anime fans are spoiled by older anime and manga that you can binge. I'm guilty of this at times.
Dopamine addiction be like
@@josesosa3337 it's not the fault of older anime.
It's that people just have short attention span.
Like a dopamine rush
God bless you sir for standing up against Admirals slander. Like there's a good reason why these 3 reached such high ranks. Even now, we barely seen Kizaru took Gear 5 Luffy seriously.
Fax
He is running away using tricks
@@BigDBGuru dont hate the player hate the game kizaru is holding back but so is luffy
@@calebsolonas6085 exactly
But we all know narrative carries priority
Luffy is still gonna win although it won't be easy
@@BigDBGuru exactly like people be upset cuz an admiral isnt getting dominated
I don’t think current Luffy beats Kaido though. It’s not about how much damage was dealt to Kaido it’s the fact that he never got a chance to catch his breath. Luffy had time to catch his breath and even eat a whole feast before coming back for that final round.
He never needed to catch his breath. For most of the fights up until Luffy attained good haki he was messing around. Even then it’s not like he was fighting top tier characters
I think Kaido is still stronger than Luffy.
@@youngfish1370 Ok if a Pro boxer fights 20 random men off the street and wins back to back but then immediately fights another pro boxer that he’s actually beaten before he’s gonna be very tired still and would lose because of that. Even tho the others guys didn’t damage him much they tired him out. I hope you understand what I’m trying to say sorry if my wording is off.
@@sthinkbombgamingarts8099 Same.
@@sthinkbombgamingarts8099One piece fans are dumb asf
These nitty gritty stuff don't matter
Narrative takes priority
Luffy is stronger than Kaidou
Kaidou is in Luffy's past Argue with Oda
Facts, people complain about us not seeing Zoro visit Ryuma’s grave an disregarding that he most likely visited during that week after Luffy vs Kaido. We are probably gonna get a flash back of Zoro visiting his grave during Elbaf, possibly a key moment which leads to him unlocking a black blade during a fight.
facts
Fr people be thinking Oda just going to skip over something as significant as Zoros lineage and not bring it back up later
@@doug2555 Honestly this point kinda "scares" me. Oda himself said in an SBS that "there is nothing else to explain in the main story anymore" when talking about Zoro's lineage. It feels like he doesn't want to give it too much care, which is understandable considering both Luffy and Sanji already have important lineages for the main story.
Maybe he wants to make Zoro a special case on that aspect, but I'm not sure if I like it personally. I really wanted to see why Zoro was ALWAYS so motivated to be the very best.
Ryuma still holds some importance in regard to the whole One Piece lore, so there probably will be some things with him, but I doubt it'll play too much on the "lineage" aspect of Zoro. (aside from fans who know Zoro is, in fact, a descendant of Ryuma)
Hope I'm wrong though and that Oda trolled me!
@@winterbeast6326Let him be simple
@@winterbeast6326The thing is Lineage has always been pretty inconsequential in one piece. Obviously it still creates stories like Sanji’s whole story, but the common theme is people rejecting their lineage to become their own person.
Luffy was supposed to be a marine but become a pirate, Sanji was royalty but rejected that life, Ace was the son of Rogers was hated for it but rose beyond it and even become the subordinate of Rogers’ rival.
The point being that maybe everything that needs to be said about Zoro’s lineage has been told. It’d be nice to get that extra lore, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t want it to be something like Zoro is the way he is because of the people before him, he’s his own person with his own motivations.
Believe me when I say a large amount of people in Reddit will make you question humanity.
The amount of characters people call weak or "frauds" just because they're not onscreen doing something every two seconds, is a sight to behold.
Don’t take it too seriously, the whole "fraud" thing is basically a running joke in op community
@@chestermops3732 yeah I don't. In fact it actually makes me laugh. Some of them are pretty creative. 😂
I blame JJK
@@kalo_vera ive been hearing that a lot lately. I don't watch jjk(yes I'm a heathen lol) what's the correlation tho?
The "dragon is a fraud" and "shanks is a rat" is crazy
Im not saying that the One Piece fandom takes got progressively dumber as it blew up in America, but as an American who caught up around 4 years ago just before it blew up in America, I may be implying it
nah it blew up in the normie crowd because of the live action and the hype around g5. It was always super popular in america as someone who whos been around the anime community for like 12 years grew up with the big 3. Its always been Popular in the community. But as the normie crowd from ANY country comes into any community they are just the worst. It happened with DBZ, AOT, MHA, JJK etc. its all just people coming in when something is popular and pretending to be fans.
Yeah, americans destroys every fandom they touch, even those they created. Ever heard about Star Wars ?
Personally I like when the characters just be chilling and nothing serious happening yet.
Tru
Old ass post, but too real.
If you've ever read the LN Grimgar, that series has 0 chill time - the characters are always fighting, always running away from some huge threat, always getting their asses kicked, and always on the verge of death for like 7 volumes straight - and it's fucking EXHAUSTING to read. Very few people actually want a story like that.
@@PrometheusXV That sounds crazy, Am go read it 😆
7:00 Narratively, the eos doesn't need to be stronger than Kaido. Just strong enough to match him or simply be more troublesome to take down. Like BB using his crew to tagteam WB/Law or Kizaru avoiding Gear 5 Luffy in order to focus on Vegapunk, Law/Kidd using hax to Big Mom and outsmarting her, etc...
True.
That’s kinda how being stronger works no? Kizaru is able to take on dodge and pressure luffy BECAUSE he is on kaido’s level and possibly stronger
@@brycenb2994Lmao try again, kizaru is not at kaido's level. Except fleet admiral no admiral can even compare.
@@RR-lh3by yeah you’re just objectively
wrong… I’ll be brief and simple so you can understand. Kizaru plays around at marineford ignoring Ben Beckmann and taking no damage from Marco. Ben Beckmann being comparable to shanks and Marco being able to hold off king and queen and trade blows with bigmom. Kizaru was more than willing to pull up on wano despite knowing kaido and bigmom were there to which akainu says no. Kizaru faces Rayleigh and is barely trying meanwhile Rayleigh claims he wants to help luffy against sentomaru at sabody but can’t. Rayleigh being rogers second hand man and in a data is claimed to have lost non of his former strength. And recently on egghead kizaru completely disrespects a gear 4 Luffy that kaido put on his goat list. And is continuing to outmaneuver gear 5 Luffy.
And the spoilers apparently say it gets worse for Luffy but we’ll just have to see.
@@RR-lh3bywe’re literally watching an admiral compete with a yonkou as we speak
Downplaying the admirals is a very stupid agenda, thank you for saying it how it is. Clever man
Ain't downplaying the Admirals, we're just being realistic. You guys are just calling the fight between Luffy and Kizaru way too soon. At the end of it you'll see Luffy mid diffs Kizaru and i still consider Luffy to be the weakest Yonko currently.
@@termopylae5506 You still sure about that?
@@hatefulgaming1800 yes.
@@termopylae5506Weaker than buggy?
@@CriticalClone i don't consider Buggy to be a Yonko.
What people don't get is that using shanks and roger as examples we see that mastering haki is stronger than a devil fruit.
Yes, and Kaido said it himself, Haki trumps devilfruit.
garp too
so gear 5 is useless?? ,
No because as we've seen in the manga Joy boy has a way of getting immense haki while in that form @JamesLee50
Bro gear 5 is made of haki did you watch one piece seriously@@JamesLee50
It's all the much newer fans tbh, I've been caught up for 4 years now and the last year is when it really got bad
Just like in Newton’s third Law, although there were/are people downplaying admirals, there are just about the same amount of people overrating the admirals in reaction. There’s people going around saying Kizaru could have stopped kaido and big mom because he said he could. There’s even smooth brained mouth breathers running around saying that Aokiji LOW DIFFED Garp.
Eh I’d say he mid diff
@@hodaifaelkayfe7196 Eh… I guess you aren’t smooth brained, but you are still a mouth breather for thinking that.
@@hodaifaelkayfe7196 bro he high diffed garp, if it was a pure 1v1 in an environment with nothing else going on at the same time garp would win
@@giantenemycrab1192low-mid diff
@@cheesegod04 garp fr got ran thru by shiryu you get impaled then fight at full strength fr
i always thought the narrative implied Whitebeard and Rodger were always equals.
Equal in their youth. Whitebeard fell off and stopped practicing his haki so he wasn’t at his peak in Marineford.
@@baguettehero4430 Well obviously, coulda also been the anime generic super cancer that characters like him and Itachi get.
@@baguettehero4430 bro what? he got old with cancer
obviously he wasnt in his prime
They are equal
@@baguettehero4430uh…no, he had pirate cancer and literally had a heart attack on the battlefield
So far Egg head is the only arc I’m aware that doesn’t have a mid arc dip
paraphrasing Stan Lee, "the person who would win inn a fight is the person the author wants to win".
Edit, i'd also argue that Chopper is pretty important since he was there for Alabasta and he's basically the Mascot of One Piece.
I think the main reason the Admirals get underrated is because of Marco.
Marco was shown to be comparable to Kizaru at Marineford.
Come Wano he clashed with Perospero (who almost lost to Carrot) and was quickly overpowered by Big Mom (needing Carrot to save him). Then he exhausted himself fighting King & Queen while failing to deal any significant damage to them.
So you can see where some of the Admiral downplay comes from.
Well not really because marco did zero dmg to kizaru meanwhile Marco got speed blitzed by a vice admiral and got hand cuffs on him and Kizaru literally shot 3-4 laser beams in his chest and somehow ended up living.
Yes and some people think marco was stronger than kizaru at the time but kizaru could have easily handled him
The reason marco did any of that to kizaru was because of plot and to show off marco introducing after that kizaru beamed him twice and almost killed marco
@@thomaszimmer371uhm, that vice Admiral is literally stronger than an Admiral or at high tier
@@giovannieriksandu2432Depends on the vice admiral Garp is that case but he only stayed as one Beacause the world goverment having controll over him if he was a Admiral He only stayed Vice beacause of the limits
most vice admirals arn't really like garp
but then again oda can just get garp stomped by a dog and die depending on what he thinks whould happen
the thing about admirals is that they are not yonko level but they aren't commander level either they are in between
What is yonko lvl ? Buggy lvl ? luffy lvl ? Admirals are more powerful than yonkos
@@abd1231978 admirals are weaker than yonkos what are you on about
@@MarcusReundeers average admiral > average yonko
@@abd1231978You are stretching with this one. Buggy is a Yonko in title, but the reason he has that title is Mihawk, so you can't say Buggy level because he obviously is just the face for Mihawk and maybe Crocodile if he got a lot stronger. So let's be clear, Yonko level means, Shanks, Mihawk, Luffy, and Blackbeard. The reality is, who the hell knows if the admirals are that level, but you are muddying the water's and saying even though Buggy is just a puppet the level of a Yonko has such a wide variance because of him.
@@JTheHunt akainu is stronger than all of the above then comes shanks bb kozan and luffy , so admirals are yonko lvl if not above them
Yeah oda likes to make zoro every single fight half dead before fighting someone seriously.
This is such a good video!!! (Also, to toxic one piece fans, STOP SAYING EVERY SHOW THAT AIN'T ONE PIECE IS TRASH, LET PPL HAVE OPINIONS, I love one piece, my fav show but like shut up, Naruto hate (as a joke) is kinda funny tho ngl)
facts this can also go towards other shonens especially naruto ive seen some deranged anime fans
@@tituspowers7167 The DB community is pretty insane(especially the power scaling part of it)
Naruto has always been a rival with one piece+ Sanji was originally supposed to be called Naruto.
@@LuffyWantsMeat01 wait so does that mean that Sanji is the first Naruto?
The powerscale one was a big W.
I saw mr morj try argue that Oda ‘cares’ about powerscaling. Nah he cares about narrative and apparently he’s a perfectionist so maybe in his mind the powerscaling is consistent. But in reality…..it isn't not at all.
Ode definitely does care about power scaling. He just cares about the story more so he’ll do stuff like having characters hold back a lot so two characters can have a good fight when they aren’t even on the same level.
@@biasedpotato8511 He cares about power scaling as much as netherrealm studio does.
@@biasedpotato8511exactly
Morj missed this
thats a you issue, you cant comprehend his methods so you blame him for your inability
that is the definition someone who is irresponsible
stfu and never try to scale again in your whole silly life
The disrespect on the admirals name came from the fact that akainu got absolutely folded by an injured white beard
I mean, he got back up and only stopped fighting after Shanks showed up.
Sadly only one attacked did anything to him
In the end WB did no meaningful damage, Akainu got back up and started fighting like he never got hit in the first place. People take these moment of character getting “hurt” or “scared” to seriously did you see how many times Kaido got “hurt” or “scared” by the scabbards, Zoro, the worst generation but only for it to in the end never doing anything meaningful.
@@somerandomguy3037Akainu didn't event get scared, that's an anime only thing. People didn't even read the manga and say sht like that
I mean, Akainu was struggling to fight an old man who had multiple heart attacks during the war, couldn't use haki at all and was filled with bullet holes and stab wounds, even then, Whitebeard handled him like a twig lol
3:07 Ryokugyu literally running away from Shanks by Just a single burst of his Conq haki : 🗿
He ran away because he was surrounded by 2 yonko crews and started stressing out lmao no admiral can take on 2 yonko crews and there yonkos at the same time + he had no idea luffy was recovering
@@Tapedat_stk he would have lost anyways
@@Tapedat_stk Terrible excuse as they were still recovering and most of them were still injured following the events of the Onigashima raid (Example King and Queen)
@@brokenwrld2530king and queen had recovered by the time they got beat again.
@@abethebabelincoln7960no they were very very clearly not recovered, at all and even if they were recovered a bit they were missing an arm and a wing respectively. both of them were still on death's door like zoro and luffy were, who by the way by that time they had just woke up. and they won their fights. you expected king and queen to recover faster than that? with worse doctors? aight
I think the "community" has expanded over the last couple years, and that's lead to some dumb takes or whatever.
100% agree with the 2nd take. Kizaru was easily lasering Marco, and just made Gear 4 Luffy look weak. He's been a total menace in just a couple chapters.
Nah, Marco and Kizaru were going at it pretty much dead even until Marco got distracted worrying about Whitebeard, then Kizaru shot him when he was off guard. Remember also that Kizaru actually had a vice admiral cuff Marco with sea stone because otherwise his regen powers made him too difficult to deal with quickly. Am I saying Marco is as strong as an Admiral? No. But he’s definitely a good deal stronger than the average commander so give him his due.
@@danielmason4014 fair point. Kizaru is super lazy it seems, and rarely wants to try hard. Didn't want to put in too much effort. Mostly running defense there, because the objective was the execution instead of taking out Marco.
luffy himslef said that he only took damage in his gear 4th form from the laser barrier, not from kizaru. Luffy wasnt even using advanced conq which is his strongest technique so to say he made luffy look weak is a crazy downplay.
@@gabriel.g9897 he made gear 4 look weak. Big difference, considering in gear 5 Luffy moved with Kizaru, dodged his laser, and then basically 1 shot him. The difference between 4 and 5 is huge.
@@danielmason4014 Marco is comparable to people such as Greenbull or Fujitora, but will ultimately lose to the three original admirals(Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji) because from what we know right now, Akainu is the strongest marine ever(confirmed) while Aokiji can be comparable to Akainu(a bit weaker but around the same strength) while Kizaru, although we don't know much about him, is incredibly powerful and has never actually put in any effort.
man facts people are saying ulti>katakuri when they know damn well if katakuri up and came to wano he would dog walk all the tobbi roppo just cause he’s that guy
Katakuri is losing charisma points just because pudding is still captive. Garp gained very big charisma points from saving coby.
Annnnnd Luffy beats Kizaru in one blow to the head, and Green Bull didn't attack Wano until everyone was tired and Kaido was gone. So maybe the admirals are strong but there is a reason they had to assemble everyone to fight an emperor who was 80 years old and dying slowly.
"luffy one shot kizaru" aged like milk
7:47 Kaido literally used a move that coated himself with a magma-like substance that melts rock. You expect him to die from Magma after that whole thing?
there is this thing called suffocation
@@justsomeguywithadogpicture2622 Kaido is a ogre/fish/dragon/(human?) does he even need oxygen?
@@blakan1478 we have seen him breate so i assume yes
@@blakan1478 Every living being, no matter if they are mythical or not, needs to breathe.
Bro magma ain’t H2O
Fair points on all these
Robin getting an entire 1.5 arcs dedicated to a plot centred around her was the exception, not the rule. A lot of people discount the idea of Usopp getting development in Elbaf because of Franky not getting his expected plot points on Egghead, but were already getting hints that might be how its going, to your point about the OG five always getting the most attention
The admirals are almost always handicapped by personal or political circumstance. The fact that Oda has said Akainu, if he was the protag, would have the story wrapped up within like a year tells me everything I need to know about what Oda wants us to think about these Admirals in terms of what menaces they are. Kizaru got shlapped around on Egghead cause his heart wasnt in it for personal reasons. In One Piece thats all it takes sometimes so its enough to justify the beating to me
Hyper literal power scaling and contrived agendas are dumb af, nuff said
Kaido is going to be the peak of physical strength in OP. Every opponent that poses a serious threat to Luffy from here on is gonna do so on account of having a uniquely difficult DF ability that Toon Force doesnt just dominate (look at the Gorosei) or by having insane Haki hacks (like Shanks is clearly operating on)
Kaido is, pound for pound, just the toughest wall Luffy is ever gonna have to face in terms of raw force. Like you said, that doesnt mean there wont be tougher fights.
The BB fight could literally go SO MANY ways
Something that I am curious about is why people are so obsessed with Kaido needing to be powercliffed by EVERYONE. Kaido is going to get powercliffed eventually, it will happen. But with the new God Knights, Imu, 5 elders, Akainu, the admirals, Dragon, Backbeard, Mihawk and Shanks, the only ones that NEED to be powercliffed over Kaido are the ones that need to give Luffy his big 1v1 at the end of a major arc. So the obsession with characters that are probably not even going to end up as main arc villains being randomly powercliffed for the sake of it has always confused. Specifically the admirals. Akainu is Luffy’s opponent, so do all three of the normal ones also need to be stronger than Kaido? People already made the comparisons for Sanji to fight Kizaru, Zoro to fight Fujitora, and possibly Jimbe to fight Greenbull. With such a massive cast of characters remaining, it would kinda break the world building if a system held in balance for 20 years was a complete sham with massive power discrepancies.
It’s probably going to be Imu or Akainu
I dunno. I think Luffy fights Akainu but gets diverted to Imu.
Call it based, call it trash writing, but Oda is setting up a fight to the death between Sabo and Akainu. I know a good majority want Luffy to put him down but plot calls for Akainu to die just as he killed Ace. Luffy is not about revenge. Sabo, well he is. And we do not even know if Sabo knows how (or who) killed Ace. He only read about it in the paper and they likely did not put in the paper (which cured his amnesia) that "Akainu punches a hole through Ace." It probably stated Ace was executed and that is it.
Though I can be 100% wrong I just been around the block with anime. Everyone think Oda is Goda but he does follow tropes a lot.
@@mav3622 Hard to say. Luffy is the main character, so there’s no saying he doesn’t fight Akainu then moves onto Imu in the next arc. Maybe there is a big battle between all the yonko and Admiral before the god knights and Imu take center stage after.
Kinda true. Only Blackbeard and Imu is necessary. The story will be just fine if the rest didn't get powercliff.
Cause people like the admirals, dragon, Blackbeard, Mihawk, and Shanks have been hyped up for a decade irl. So it’d be pretty underwhelming for people hyped up for that long to disappoint. It’d be like in Naruto, Madara showing up but he’s weaker than Sage Mode Naruto from the pain arc
3:25 I don't downplay them but this just reminds me of how strong they really are
I honestly always thought that Yonkos were over the admirals or around the same level, of course some admirals might be stronger than certain Yonkos. But just because the admirals appear at the end of the story doesn't mean they are stronger, it just has to do with the story revolving the ancient kingdom and the sketchy stuff about the world government. Since they are clearly the main villains in the one piece story, now when we talk about the five elders and Imu's strength compared to Yonkos, it might be another thing.
man every One Piece fan always tells me that it gets good after 400 episodes and never gets boring XD
See, I would kind of agree with the first one, but the splitting of the Straw Hats during Dressrosa and Whole Cake Island leads me to disregard that. Luffy, Franky, Zoro, Robin, and Usopp all got fantastic, delicious screentime in Dressrosa. Same with the others in Whole Cake Island, but, well, that was a bit different considering that was quite literally Sanji's arc.
I mean, lets be honest here, screenstime is not screentime. Compare the content of usopps screentime in dressrosa with frankys. Usopp was a key figure, while franky just had a manly brawl. There is a bigger thing at play with the original 5. Hell, sanji got a whole 2 arc. And then you got zorro having almost always a top 3 fight in the current arc. Brook arguably only got 1,5 important plots post timeskip. And while jimbei was quite cool in wholecake and wano, that was always the case for every new member in the arc after.
But they kinda did nothing special with their screentine
Yeah I’m subscribing you one of the only one piece fans left that can actually comprehend the story
Only thing I’d say oda does care about power scaling in a sense that all high tiers scaling is pretty similar BUT you were also right about if we see a more important characters like doffy he’d definitely be stronger thank ulti bcz it’s his story
Person who believes that luffy is above kaido in egghead is comperhending story ?????
Really ?????
@@waifuhunter9709 Yes luffy losing 4 times were all different luffys
1st luffy is slighty above katakuri with fututre sight and base arm and coc
2nd luffy has adv arm and future sight so now he can do decent damage to kaido but still is nothing to kaido since luffy said all of his attack were too shallow meaning anybody weaker than this luffy did next to nothing
3rd luffy can use all the previous versions of haki and a crude version of acoc so but at this level he's essentially yonko level since we see all yonko greet each other by splitting the sky but such a clumsy use of acoc doesnt last long in battle.
4th luffy is where he has all the tools to go toe to toe with kaido since acoc boost all of your base stats seeing that base luffy/g3/g3 can now react to thunder baguas even after getting blitzed through future sight previously. this is when kaido fully accepts luffy and enter his drunken stages stages and then luffy runs outta gear 4 and dies from cp0 stunning luffy and dropping his guard (oden losing to just one swing after being shown Crazy endurance feats)
5th luffy with g5 pretty much spanked kaido and yes kaido adapted but all in all g5 has too much utility and kaido loses a haki clash and got sent to the gulag
@@fuzzo2734so basically Kaido fought 5 Luffys as only 1 kaido but somehow he's weaker than 1 Luffy?
@@fuzzo2734 Kaido was lifting up all of onigashima and was jumped by luffy and his gang. We saw on how momonosuke struggled to move onigashima(although he was inexperienced). Luffy loses to Kaido still but it will be an extremely high difficulty(at this current point in the story).
Another Fact: Blackbeard is top 3 in verse. It’s mostly for the narrative and because he got plot armor like Luffy but no character is going to take him out in a fight unless you’re named Luffy.
Honestly nowadays I see more admiral lovers than glazers. I think the admirals are strong but these people have been saying stuff like “kizaru>luffy which is just not true. Some of them have even said fujitora>blackbeard>shanks which just isn’t right
Btw shanks>blackbeard
@@allbeanseditsMaybe, but luffy beats him and BB steals the kill.
I disagree with the Kaido thing. Even if Luffy is now the strongest One Piece character, it could make sense narratively. Luffy could simply face several opponents and the tension wouldn't suddenly be low. Not every story has to follow "Fight strong character, then a stronger character, then a stronger character over and over again and the story is done once you become the strongest" - Luffy could be subdued easily if one of his nakama was kidnapped under a threat of death. So yeah, Kaido is still top 1.
As much as it pains me, I have to agree with your first take. I love each and every single straw hat (including vivi) to death and it breaks my heart knowing that Oda may (hopefully not) have a bias towards the East Blue gang, resulting in less attention towards the grandline and beyond members aside from maybe gags or whatnot. (robin and maybe chopper being an exception possibly?) Obviously, they've got such iconic scenes that seemingly put them front and center of the story mentioned the barrel scene, moments like that can not be replicated as they hold such significance and crucial part in the strawhat journey.
I just hope that by the end of the manga, each strawhats gets to participate in at least one charming personal moment that replicates the beautiful barrel scene, outside of them finding the one piece ofc. I guess we got that maybe in Wano when they had their mugs set on a barrel before fighting Kaido or maybe when Luffy told them his true dream but now that I think we have all of the members of the SH, it'd be nice to have something more intimate. I just want them all to shine man 😭
also you're absolutely hilarious and I find your that your vids give me an immense feeling of joy and comfort talking about OP. you've got a new subscriber sir
It's funny because yes kizaru might lose to Luffy maybe because oda just wants that to happen but even if you take him out of the picture akainu is a beast and I'm sure we haven't seen his full power
We’ve seen his full power (which is not his full power anymore) but we’ve never seen him be put in any sort of trouble or seen his full output when he’s not conserving stamina (which I don’t consider the same thing as “full power,” more like one of Luffys but finishing moves I mean.) or even the full extent of his endurance. Hell, even whitebeards crack to the face that LITERALLY flattened his FACE only seemed to slow him down for a minute or two. If it was whitebeard vs akainu 1v1 at he war, I think akainu would’ve won extreme dif. Unfortunately for him, the whitbeard pirates are more than just whitebeard. His crew is filled with some of the strongest around. Akainu couldn’t take the whole crew. That’s the only reason the other marines and the warlords were there
@@michaelthatoker7125 but it's even stated that he can't go all out and fear of hurting everybody else so I'm assuming if it was him for his white beards crew he wouldn't have held back at all and just melted everything around him
@@Whelp140There’s just too many of them if it’s akainu vs the whole crew. Speaking as someone whose fought 10 plus guys, you can take 4-5, hell even up to 8 or 9 of them, but all it takes is one guy to pull the legs out from underneath you and you’re done. He never unleashed his most powerful aoe attacks but I think when he did things like punching half of whitebeards face off or trying to kill luffy/ace, he was going all out, just more focused.
@michaelthatoker7125 getting jumped is no fun trust me but I feel like red boy will be one of the last obstacles for luffy
Yeah cuz I'm pretty sure Kizaru is the weakest out of the original 3
Been a dedicated straw hat since around 2010 but I used to watch it occasionally on Cartoon Network when I was younger. Been crazy to see just how much it’s blown up.
One fact that one piece fans really need to accept is that Mihawk destroys Fraunks in a fight
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@@ozone005he wasn't even aiming for him
@@ozone005 wow what a funny joke!!! 😆😆 definitely not completely retarded 🙌🏽
oh please he paints his blade if he just dares to touch Shanks the paint peels off and everyone sees he is a fraud
Shanks dickeaters already crying in the comments 😂
My hard facts One Piece fans need to accept are all Gear 5 based I hate how to put everything onto imagination even that Luffy is only rubber cuz he was told he is, this is just stupid since in Anime, Manga, and Life Action all Luffy was Rubber before he knew what he ate and that triggers me more than it should.
People actually said that he was rubber cuz he was told he was? Ridiculous.
Old whitebeard was probably as strong as the kaido that fought luffy
1st fact is true but it isn't realy applying to usopp anymore, Oda realy be hating on usopp in wano ☠️
Nah it just wasn't Usopps arc, Usopp got obs haki, he has more haki than half the crew. And he's set up to learn haki.
I mean usopp and nami aren't on the crew for their power so naturally they get less shine. their time will come again
Yo the last one is so true bro, caught up reading the manga during wano and did not get the complaints I saw. The weekly reading experience is so different to reading it all at once and it really colours people's opinions.
Can’t wait to see a logia awakening
Bro thank you for getting on the case of the power scalers, like, people in this universe can literally just be written to die from some random guy shooting them in the back with a normal gun. Croc will come back and he will be relevant, and its not because he trained in the mountains for 2 years he just is gonna be written to be relevant. People please.
soon as we hit wano in the manga the communities brainrot started
I never gave a shit about OP powescaling or powerscaling in general, One Piece was always a series where "A > B, but that does not mean A > C." I watch One Piece for the adventure and the mysteries, I get how it's fun to consider hypothetical fights between two characters but it's up to Oda how these characters turn out. We ain't watching and reading the greatest story that's ever been told but just have fun with it and you're golden
Literally all facts, specially that last one, that's what's happening with CSM rn with people saying it "fell off" because there's actual plot and build up and not things happening for no reason
Frr! I actually prefer chainsaw man's slow build up and down time now
5:30 thank you for pointing out how stupid this is. The artists just do not care about math, they care about it looking cool. And for some reason powerscalers keep on doing it.
I gotta disagree with the gear 5th vs Kaido thing. Kizaru is currently playing around with gear 5th Luffy and Kaido had back to back fights with characters that can shred up his internal organs all for Luffy to get the mother of all ass pulls that let's him no sell Kaido's attacks. I personally believe that while Luffy was exhausted in gear 5th in terms of damage output, speed, strength, and everything else besides stamina he's firing on all cylinders this is the only real explanation for how he came back to life still able to hurt Kaido after that ass whooping.
one piece characters don’t lose attack power as they lose stamina. everytime we see someone low on stamina they’re still able to use their strongest attacks. kaido used his strongest move against luffys strongest move and lost. and it would happen again
@@zah13r41 Luffy's transformation exhaust him very quickly so much so that the short period he fought Lucci left him winded. Even if he has the strength and speed to consistently hurt full strength fresh Kaido it won't mean much because he won't be able to finish the job before he burns out and Kaido takes the win. He's been fighting Kizaru for a couple chapters now and has yet to do a single bit of meaningful damage and Kizaru should be relative to Kaido if not a little weaker.
@@zah13r41The main argument against Luffy beating Kaido if they ever fought again is that Luffy's gear 5 transformation does not have the stamina to keep up with Kaido. I has been shown like with the Lucci(kinda) and Kaido fight Luffy can't maintain it for a long period of time and it's almost the exact opposite for Kaido. Throughout their fight Kaido almost always kinda underestimated Luffy as a threat until Gear 5th popped off , for as many new tricks Luffy displayed Kaido did displayed how many he had in his back pocket. This kinda let Luffy get all those shots off on him and while I agree his attack power didn't drop but his ability to keep going did because of this. I think by the time Gear 5 came out Luffy managed to close the gap in stamina and strength enough between them to give himself that window of time to win. I doubt Kaido would ever go that easy from the get go with Luffy or give him those openings. If a fresh Kaido fights a fresh Luffy , Kaido wins because even if they have the same attack power Luffy's Gear 5 is too draining on him that he'd burnout before Kaido. Tho it would be a high to extreme diff fight.
@@trevin277Kizaru is not at the same level as kaido, all admirals are weaker than most yonkos except for fleet admiral.
@Loki4real14Akainu and Kizaru are above Luffy
1st Take- I agree.
2nd Take- I agree, I never downplay Admirals as many of them are some of my most favorite characters in the entire story but where i draw the line is when people try to say they dog walk any yonko like Kaido and Shanks.
3rd Take- I agree, i hate that its true but it is.
4th Take- I agree, Currently I have Shanks over him and some other characters like Imu, Prince Loki and Dragon could be stronger due to the story. Hes still a top 10 character but not 1 but i still have Kaido > Gear 5.
5th Take- Strongly agree, besides pacing issues this is why the story is 1000+ episodes.
1st Take is fine whether it will remain true or not.
2nd Take, I agree Admiral can compete with Yonkos but Very few commanders can give them good fight
3rd take is mostly nope. Feats>Narrative as feats are more objective while Narrative are too subjective. But its true some calcs are too atrocious that I would prefer narrative over them.
4th Take. We put Kaido top 1 current era because of actual statement of world strongest creature. Not everyone in the endgame has to be above him. Only Blackbeard and Imu has potential to be above him
5 take I agree.
Probably the best comment here. I’m not sure about how strong Loki will be but overall I agree with everything you said.
A title isn't fully facts the world's strongest creature got beat by Luffy no no one except for him did anything to him I mean white beard at his old age still have the title of world's strongest even though he is the absolute weakest yonko at that time
3 take I disagree
One piece is a story about a man liberating the world with his personality as he embarks on an advneture with his vaules that overshine the values of old people
So luffy being stronger than kaido isn't beacuse of feats it's beacues he wants a world were everyone can eat a drink as much as they want versus kaidos ideals of just inslaving everybody who he sees
His world view is simply better so he is stronger
Shanks was a yonko and he lost his arm to some sea king witch luffy one shotted so
Yeah narrative over power scaling
@@lividellis2757Zoro cut kaido. Kid and Law prob exhausted him. He got back up like fifty times even more than doffy. he only barely lost due to gear 5 and previous factors so it wsnt just luffy. Id say Kaido is still the stronger creature and whitebeard was the strongest man(In his prime)before he got old. That might be what they meant.
@@dragon-kun199 Zoro did scratch him but it wasn't much it was still damaged though
Kid and law did not exhaust him a lot they probably still exhausted him just not enough to really make a difference
he barely lost the gear 5 in my opinion especially because of the last clash between them two with their haki that Luffy is stronger but not by much either way it was a extreme difficulty fight but still Luffy being practically on death door and kaido in a lot better shape than Luffy was in gear 5 is evidence to say that it would be high or medium difficulty for Luffy to defeat kaido if they were fully fresh.
I love the chapter by chapter point, cuz some people be complaining like that lol
From your intro, I thought you were going to talk about the community changed since a few years back lol (spoilers, over the top worshipping, etc)
This is my honest opinion akinu is heavily underated by op fans because he killed ace. I think his devil fruit is very cool and hes a decent villain. People really like do flamingo, a guy who destroyed dressrosa and killed 1000s of people while hating a man who is hated for killing one person while he was all ready set up to be killed.
The reason people "probably" hate him is because he is a marine and an admiral. People tend not to like villainous marines who obey celestial dragons. That's just my theory, and it probably is wrong. Also, we are more attached to Ace, then we are to the people of dresserosa.
@@kidusgirmay7574 Get caught up to dressrosa arc atleast
Akainu literally back talked with gorosei and called "celestial dragon puppet"
Plus being a marine and admiral doesn't mean to obey justice and being good
It is to follow or make the marines stronger and that is exactly what akainu is doing
It has stated he has made navy much stronger than sengoku's rule in fishman arc
@Fragto372, being a marine, is subjective since they have different definitions of justice. Also, being a marine is to obey justice. That is the reason they are seen as the "good guys." And I know akainu back thalkes the gorisei, but he is still the celestial dragons puppet and is obligated to protect them, which is a bit weird since he hates evil people.
@@kidusgirmay7574 Yeah but when was he a celestial dragon puppet and where was it stated or happened
admirals were
not fleet admiral
@Fragto372 akainu was littraly getting shouted at bye a normal celestial dragon and getting complaints about some food. Idk what chapter it is, tho. And akainu doesn't really make much sense since he wants to eradicate evil but protects celestial dragons
A few of your points I at first disagreed with but your accent combined with your energy won me over. This was a fire video! 🔥🔥🔥
1:14 nah robin too
Nah chopper over robin if anything
for kaido it was said in the manga that in 1v1, he wins, it's as simple as that; so believeing he's top one, but from what we saw in the last chapter, questionning that is possible, mainly isnce the manga didnt ended in wano xD
You lost me when you said current luffy beats kaido fresh.
Lets make somethings clear
Upuntil gear 4 even with advanced haki luffy is Barely hanging with kaido and this is before he busted out his stronger moved . Any of the named attacks gear 5 luffy took would decimate luffy in other gears .
For gear 5
Kaido is =/> gear 5 luffy in staight speed since be blitzed gear 5 luffy multiple time.
In AP of all attacks barring thier final moves kaiod has better AP than luffy.
Durability is a tricky question since gear 5 luffy takes little to no damage from kaidos attacks from what we can infer so this has to go to luffy
When it comes to the attcak power with a all out attack it would go to luffy obviously with bajarag gun . But the problem with this is no opponent not even kaido if not for the plot will take luffys fist head on agisnt gravity like kaido did when he couldve easily avoided it .
So the conclusion is kaido will suffer some major damage buy he will simply outlast luffy in a fresh fight because luffy can't deal enough damage aginst kaido before gear 5 . The scenario with the most probability of luffy winning is he using his normal gears to wear out kaido and then going gear 5 to have a fesh start at a weakened kaiod which in my opinion would turn out similar to their fight on rooftop the only difference being kaido wouldnt be a punching bag for luffy to get free hits in
At some point, after unlocking Conquerors coating, Luffy could hang with Kaido. By hang I mean become one of maybe 10 people who wouldnt immediately be decimated by a serious Kaido. They eventually had a classic Yonko haki clash. The problem is, he can only hang with Kaido physically in Gear 5. Zoan devil fruits boost durability, regeneration and physical abilities. The only thing it doesnt affect is fatigue. Obviously, awakending your Zoan has a multiplicative affect. Kaido was such a tank without even awakening his Zoan DF. Conversely, those advanced haki attacks were wrecking Luffy. Gear 5 is the only time Luffy could take consecutive hits from Kaido and not immediately turn half dead. The problem is Kaido can 100% still hang with Gear 5 if he was fresh. When Luffy momentarily lost Gear 5, that is the first time in the entire arc we noticed fatigue set into Kaido. Even Yamato commented on it. Kaido fought Big Mom for 3 days. Luffy simply cant hang yet. Of course, strength nullifies endurance at some point, so he doesnt need to last 10 hours in Gear 5. Just not yet. Oda did not mistake his power scaling for narratives. He meticulously broke down Kaido until the final clash, where Luffy overwhelmed him with his willpower. Not to mention how he uses Luffy to kill or confirm dreams. Not to mention Kaido explicitly saying the man who will defeat him is JoyBoy. Oda was cooking, and its ironic how he complains about slow One Piece fans. Despite his rapid growth, Oda had to compensate for Luffy's major lack of experience. He wont immediately jump past Kaido, even after Egghead.
Too many OP fans don’t get Shonen rules man, especially when it comes to Kaido. The whole “1 on 1 bet on Kaido” speech has done irreparable damage to future villains since you’ll just have these people saying nobody will ever be stronger than Kaido because he’s the strongest creature. Sure nobody will be as durable and as much of a brawler as Kaido but we’re gonna get to the point where Hax and other categories would theoretically allow characters to beat him.
An example of this is on Twitter when we saw Imu attack Cobra and Sabo I saw Mfs on Twitter saying Kaido slams Imu because there’s no way Imu can pierce Kaido with that arrow. Like bro, this is the semi final or the FINAL boss of One Piece, Imu will absolutely bend Kaido over, that’s just Shonen rules.
Meanwhile imu shits his pants because of 8 hundred years old haki from halfway around the planet. He got so butthurt that he murdered his at least 200 years old loyal servant. Imu is a fraud. Garling is also a fraud and you will see. The only asset WG has now is Akainu.
7:12 I can easily debunk that! Luffy underwent many opportunities of recoveries and rematches that Kaido never had.
Him "dying" was nullified the moment that his fruit RESTORED Luffy back to life AND got stronger from it.
If Luffy maintained his cause of death after revival, he wouldn't be able to fight due to whatever injury killed him would've remained: internal bleeding, crushed bones/organs, brain damage, etc... but all we see afterwards was scratches and exhaustion.
Speaking of exhaustion, this was revealed to be a side effect from using Gear 5. A fresh Luffy toying with Lucci literally underwent the same drawback. This weakness is dangerous against a non-damaged Kaido who can spar ACoC moves with Big Mom.
That's on relevant because it was stated in the manga that he was still dying none of the injuries was restored it was still there as you can see them when he got out of gear 5 as it's never been stated that awakenings revive a person to full health think of it as a game you get revived but you gets a little health back your overall Hp is close to none
A good thing to note is that Zoan type devil fruits give you enhanced durability and regeneration. Awakening gives you even more (Lucci getting clowned by Luffy, just to recover shortly after). Luffy started to tank attacks from Kaido that were initially one shotting him. A fresh Kaido still outlasts current Luffy 100%. Luffy hasnt mastered haki to the point of beating Kaido in his base form. Haki transcends all, and Luffy didnt clearly dominate Kaido with his haki, though I'd say they are relative at this point. The same way Luffy became relative to Katakuri. Luffy needs Gear 5, and we saw Kaido clearly able to adapt to and trade blows with Gear 5 while fatigued.
Bro didnt just cook, but made an entire dinner.
one piece fans are delusional to think luffy soloes naruto verse when base naruto one shots
Idk about base.... gear 5 luffy could swap hands with KCM 2 Naruto. He would lose but it would be a fight
@tacticaltony3104 I'm obviously talking about after so6p amp he dogwalks in base no diff
It’s the One Pace children rushing through the story. The lack basic knowledge
Wano had lots of Wano specific stuff that didn't get fullfilled.
I caught up a couple years ago, but the fact that I heard "One piece end in 2 years" 1 year ago when It was obvious it wouldn't and that some stuff might get cut out and reorganized because of it... It made me feel for real that ODa might be rushing stuff.
The thing I hate abt OnePiece community is that they think "I know everything" But then straight up dick ride Admiral and forget the statement from Garp "entire Marine organization is what it takes to beat up a strong Yonko crew"
Also, this man literally had a motive of "stop headcanon" And then straight up created a headcanon abt and then said "Oda keeping Admiral for later, that's why nerfed them and they keep holding back"
That's not dickriding
@@vyomcodm2052 crazy how what you thought was head canon is actually true
@Bon-Kaizer crazy how what you thought is true is NOT true and was predicted by me more than a year ago
How are you STILL riding on that Admiral Agenda after Garp humiliated Kuzan to the point that the only damage Garp had was after Shiryu landed a cheap blow 😂
Kuzan was getting bodied by an old man above 70-80 years of age 😂💀
@@vyomcodm2052 my prediction was kizaru fed luffy and was nerfed,how is that untrue? why cant yall just admit your wrong damn lol
@Bon-Kaizer you meat riders can bend anything and talk ANY irrelevant shet to be correct ONCE in your life can't you? 😂
First of all, there's a difference between prediction and theory, what you're talking about is NOT a prediction, it's a theory which isn't "yours" To talk about, everyone believed it 😂
And secondly, how is "Kizaru fed Luffy" Even relevant talking about Kuzan vs Garp? 😂
As you said, Why can't you just admit that you're damn wrong lol 😂
Personally i dont think luffy can beat kaido right now but but i do agree with 99% of the stuff he says with my bring a huge fan of powerscaling anime.
Manga spoilers:
These fans that want oda to speed up and get to the payoffs are definitely also the people who got annoyed that he didn't give time to izo's grave and other stuff before leaving wano like you can't argue both sides here lmao 😂
8:20 when has any one not a casual say that
Bro you uploaded your April's first video over 5 months late 😂
Nah you’re crazy, Kaidou is #1 1 v 1,
5% damage? He got stabbed by the scabbards, stabbed in his heart, then cut by sonic blades in his organs lol. Multiple Luffy fights, then fought Gear 5. Kaidou didn’t get the Rob Lucci treatment lol
Idk what he's smoking but like he said logic doesn't matter so he doesnt need facts to support his claim
2:18 did not age well
what do you mean?
@skoyo3575 Zoro and Sanji being Admiral Level
@@soloknight7197 they aren't
@@LachyNorris87 Sanji deflected a Kill-shot from Kizaru, and Zoro was equal to a Gorusei
@@soloknight7197 okay? Explain to me how that makes them admiral level (meaning they are on par or able to beat an admiral)
Dude. This was a very good lesson, very well crafted. Got a like, a comment and a subscription.
Other fact: Oda didn't plot everything from the start. He leaves certain parts of the story unclear and decides, years later (whenever he remembers it), if he's gonna do something with it or leave as it is. For example:
Shank's intimidation of Sea King and Enel's mantra -> Haki is introduced (at first is invisible, then Oda decides to make a visual representation of it);
Luffy and Ace are brothers -> They aren't blood related, Ace is actually Roger's son, and Sabo was a third brother;
Ancient Weapon Pluton's location wasn't revealed in Alabasta (Oda probably planned it to be in Alabasta originally, since Crocodile and Vivi are becoming increasingly important as we approach the final arc) -> Oda reveals in Wano that the location of the weapon is ... Wano of course lol;
Warlords weren't a thing at first, but then became a thing;
The worst generation (Kid, Law, etc) weren't planned from the start to become important;
How Roger understood the poneglyphs and who was the second commander of the Whitebeard Pirates before Ace? -> Oden is introduced;
Luffy's Devil Fruit has hints of it being special and potentially a Zoan -> Oda creates a mythical creature for the Devil Fruit instead of a pre-existing one;
Momonosuke's Devil Fruit is considered a failure -> Oda decides to make a joke out of it;
Blackbeard is reffered as "them" by Luffy and Zoro back then -> Oda makes him able to eat two(+?) Devil Fruits without consequences, and probably some other thing in the future. Etc ...
And let's be real here: one of the motives that One Piece is what it is, is because Oda wants to continue earning money with it.
ya what u said about powerscalling is totally true, and oda literally shows us how he doesn't give a F about powerscalling, like when a fan asked how big could bartolomeo's barriers be and he aswered that they could reach a maximum size of "50.000 bari baris" or when they asked him how much can luffy stretch his arms and he aswered "72 gomu gomus". Like he literally doesn't care for powerscalling, for him a great story that might get you amazed or simply get a laugh out of you is more important.
Bruh I've been a preacher of the admirals strength for years. They said I was crazy.
*Looks at pizzaru, twerk-bull and the desk sitter*
Aren't you?
they are not ready for Sakazuki the cherished one!!!
for some reason your vids get recommended to me but i dont encounter these """fans""" often and I am absolutely baffled lmfao
My roger agenda is roger and WB traded the world strongest title a couple times or tied for it until roger passed
The most peaceful agenda you get like
Watching this on a Thursday, October 3rd, 2024. Zoro just displayed that he also has advanced conqueror's Haki. Yes. Zoro is as strong as an Admiral.
Istg me clicking this video getting ready to get tight... I been laughing and knoding for the last 6 minutes... Well played
Whats worse is these new OP fans after g5 and during the g5 hype train only came for the fight when in reality alot of OP is more story driven than it is a fighting anime.
I always just assumed the admiral slander was because up until the recent story we hadn’t seen them do anything aside from attack injured & dying people (deaths door whitebeard & sabaody zoro)
then the OG 3 would spam logia intangibility since haki was barely a thing yet (except my GOAT fujitora putting respect on the admiral title )
then after the timeskip they didn’t do shit for around a decade until egghead where it’s clear the community has straight up lost it
Honestly I’ve always been saying it’s vice captain, admiral, emperor at least for the named categories. They aren’t easy fights obviously, but admirals most of the time do not have a chance against yonko in a straight 1v1
The third point is incredibly based, people really need to let that go.
This is a weird one for me. Like, i agree that oda cares more for the story than powerscaling, but i yet have to see a powerscaling mismatch (other than croc in alabasta, and even that is debatable). He creates scenarios that nerf or buff certain characters for the plot to proceed and highlight the story, but these buffs and nerfs are an indicator of the powerscaling itself. I dont understand for example how some get mad if a character cant get all out, because they dont want to/cant destroy their surroundings. This isnt "oda had to nerf them so its an even figth" its "the character acts according to their morals", which builds character AND makes the fight more interesting.
Powerscalers largely fall into 2 groups:
1. They’re doing it for fun/trolling group 2
2. These people have attached their identity to who they like more/think is stronger, and therefore anybody who disagrees is an insult to them personally, because “I like this character, and you don’t like them, then you must think I’m stupid for liking them”.
Perfect example of linear scaling/transitive propery not working:
BB beat Ace
Ace was pretty much stated to be even with Jinbei pre-timeskip due to them fighting to a standstill after days
BB (and i claim his entire crew) would have been wiped by Jinbei like they were by Sengoku (not saying Jinbei is on Sengoku's level here either!)
The matchup of BB's fruit, Ace's blind determination to avenge Thatch and bring justice to Teach etc. just counted more than raw destructive power or "feats".
That's not a good argument considering that fight was offscreened and theirs still alot we don't know about blackbeard and his abilities and sengoku is a goddam fleet admiral at that time he better wash them
dawg bb and ace destroyed a whole island with their one v one, jimbei not doing that, katakuri vs luffy was close to that level of destruction in the mirror world and it was a yc fight, bb had haki, ace had haki, ace was still boxing even thought he got his powers stopped during the fight miltiple times, bb is a natural counter to df users and ace still put up an amazing fight wdym jimbei is not doing as good as ace is doing in that scenario
Oda made another barrel type scene in wano when they all lifted the cups so i would argue that ur wrong and the only straw hats that get special attention is luffy zoro and sanji.
Ive been watching week to week since just before the start of Dressrosa, caught up at that point in 8 days, was at Marineford by day 4 cause I literally could not put it down. I wasnt sleeping at all, the ultimate Binge, then Dressrosa took like 4 years and my god that was a tribulation for me but never once did I say Oda fell off. One Piece is the greatest story ever told imo and Oda has truly crafted a masterpiece. Even when I know that something is currently beyond my scope of understanding, I know he's waiting in the wings to sweep me off my feet with how that ties in later on.
5:00 another great example is katakuri vs anyone who has currently appeared in the manga after whole cake
I got caught up in 2017. Its been such a wild ride, but i think the popularity explosion of the series these past few years has really changed things. Im never going to be upset more people are sharing our passion for the story, but the even when i got up to date the leaks and spoilers weren’t nearly as prevalent. Now I genuinely feel a bit bad for the anime only watchers because those who wait for each new manga chapter are having our minds blown like we just saw saturn on a weekly basis and we cant keep our mouths shut. So so glad OP is becoming more popular in the west because it deserves all the attention
Wow finnaly someone being logic, I have been saying these stuff for 10 years glad to see this video
People saying Egghead sucks at the start just don't realize that weekly chapter releases are the issue. I watched the anime until Egghead then read. I binged it up to in or around kumas back story. And it was one of the quickest arc reads ever. It flew by and was so good.
This aged really well. The core members are now together on elbaf lol
Bro luffy personally went and recruited zoro as first mate and vice captain like roger recruited Rayleigh,rest of the crew enter by changes.💀
Not going to lie, I saw this and thought "Slander, Lies and Fallacies" but man, you were right! Following out of principle.
I seee the vision and I'm starting to realize I contribute to some of these falsehoods
You’re listening to the wrong one piece fans imo. Tekkings fandom is a wholesome fandom. Morj and Syv have wholesome fanbases
5:20 People also forget that Oda doesn't write characters to be stagnant just because they are not main characters or haven't been getting much screen time.
Everyone can grow.
real shit
can only really let chapters build up before reading them if you dont mind being spoiled or dont watch anything one piece related on youtube since immediately after a chapter comes out people are releasing videos talking about it and the title/thumbnail spoils something basically all the time