Hey! I just picked up go a couple of days ago and have watched just finished watching your entire beginner series. A few days ago I didn't know the rules for go and now I see when groups are dead or alive, I can recognize strong and weak shapes. I just wanted to thank you for these videos they have been super helpful! For anyone thinking about getting into go, I highly recommend it. It's one of the most rewarding games i have ever played. I think go is the very perfection of the idea of a game that is easy to learn but impossible to master, without you it would have been so much harder getting started so thank you again!
I've been on the verge of giving up because of being overwhelmed by this game, but your videos break it down really well and your enthusiasm helps. Thank you, man!
I got hooked on go last week and read (gulped) about 3 beginners book. Played on Crazy Stone a few games but never realy understood when the game was finished. Just placing as many stones until the bitter end. Thanks to your video I finaly understand how to apply the concept of dead and alive. Great explanation. Looking forward to watch all your other video tutorials. Thank you very much.
Thank you so much for a brilliant series! I justr started playing a few days ago, and this series has not only been a great help in understanding basic principles, but has also made me even more excited to play! Great stuff!
I started playing Go a few weeks ago using your video's and it's been really fun and helpful! I tried to learn it before and never got past the semi-permanent confused state. Thanks to you I feel like I have the basics down and can enjoy a small game. Thank you for making these!
Great job with this series. Gave them all a like, and I'm going to continue to follow you. I only watched your first 3 videos at first, but didn't want to front-load my experience of the game too much. I have been observing go games just to see what I could pick up by watching, and I'm surprised how much of it I picked up through observation that I was able to use in games, but without fully understanding it. I just didn't have words for any of it until I watched your videos, and you totally clarified moves for me that I had already been using (however clumsily). Watching online games can be a bit boring at times, but it will make you better.
Wonderful video, answered many questions for me. I'm wondering if you might consider a video, In Sente, that shows static end-of-game board images and ask counting questions, like did white win, or what is the size of blacks territory, etc. Many final board positions (esp 19x19 board) are extremely challenging to see and define territories for beginners. Many "gray areas". Thank you. Sven
Thanks for your great tutorial series. They help a beginner like me a lot. I've watched the whole series twice. If you have time, can you create more beginner tutorial series on tsumego, tesuji, joseki, game commentaries, etc?
Thank you for this. Playing Go for a couple of months now and could not understand how I could go from being 40 or 50 points ahead to all of a sudden being 20 or 30 behind.I think I understand some of the reasons behind this now. Will watch this video a couple of times in an attempt to get a better understanding of the End Game. thank you so much for this. You are a very good teacher and communicator. Best wishes, Peter
Thank you so much! I've been plaing chess for 20 years, but Go has always eluded me. With this course I am starting to see the patterns and beauty of this game. Maybe I'll even win a game after 80 more losses :)
@in sente or anyone please I would like to see a very clear video on how to count for Go the japanese way if not for Weiqi the chinese way. I looked on youtube and could not find someone who would explain it as well as In_sente is at explaining. In Sente you make it so easy to understand the basics.
What other lessons would you like to see?? If you want access to my private discord server for only a few dollars a month, or a host of other rewards, please consider supporting my patreon! www.patreon.com/insente
These are great! Once we feel like we've got the hang of the skills in the beginner series what do you recommend for continued growth? What should I think about as I move from a 9x9 board to 19x19?
thoroughly enjoy this series and its been very informative. my only critique here is that i dont plan on playing primarily on a computer and there will be no algorithm to help me by automatically taking pieces off or declaring them dead etc
I don't understand how top right lived for w after e9. Anyhow thanks for the video, goes over concepts that should become clear to any beginner as soon as possible.
At 13:42 you mean?, I'm also not sure. I was looking at H8, but then if black plays G9 I don't see a way for white to make two eyes. The same if white goes G9, then black goes H8. If white goes G8, then black can go H9. It's very confusing to me, there's probably something simple I'm missing, but for a video for beginners it should have been explained how the white group lives.
@@sagov9 that's a good point actually...... hm. I'm not great at go. running through a few possibilities in cgoban, it seems it always ends up reducing to bulky 5 in the corner for me, and always with black sente to take the vital point at h9. if white plays h9 before it reduced, black ataris the group.... i think that hane might actually be a solid kill?
You answered my questions. I'm trying to sort out the miasma that dictates how any given move is better than another, and I'm still baffled by certain realities beyond my comprehension--say at 15:05 minutes in, why Black doesn't simply take D 5 or 6 instead of fighting for those two stones?-since this seems to completely zone off a section of the board. Is the player then not at the liberty to zone out the rest of the space as if they were dead stones? I'm still baffled. Also, I'm seeing in my own practice, that if you don't know what you're doing as a new player, your opponent can remove all of your territory by establishing eyes there. I think I'm getting how you can get +1 point by passing once to let your opponent make that mistake.
"The computer will mark it as dead" is well and good, but what if you play on an actual physical board? I will have to play it out or agree on the dead/life status of a given group. The latter being really hard for a beginner. Also, what I still don't get: A single enemy stone in my territory, do I remove it as a prisoner for me AND I get the territory underneath the stone, or will the dead stone simply removed and I only get the territory? If the former, that means the opponent just handed me a prisoner for free.
You get the stone + the territory in Japanese scoring. And yes, by having a dead stone there you’ve gotten an extra stone BECAUSE you passed on your turn. If you were to both play that stone out, then you would end up probably placing an equal amount of stones to capture it and end up removing some of your territories by covering it with your own pieces. But by passing your turn, you get an extra point for not covering your own territory and just letting the dead stone be seen as dead.
I've played a little and have been to a couple of go meetings before COVID. I'm kinda confused about telling when an eye is false and when it's not. Is it when you place a stone on one of the opponent's eye's border??? I think understanding when an eye is false or when it can be made false would help me big time.
Hello, thx for the great videos. One thing that I want know as the beginner player that not covered in this series is how to make a bases? What a general principles for making bases? Can I make a base on the enemy territory in some cases? If yes, how many space I need to safety make a base? If the players completely separates the board (especially big boards) with the lines of stones just through the center, is this a end, or players may try to make a bases?
If your opponent has a line through the middle, so half the board is theirs, you can still try to make a base inside his territory, yes. As insente says here, if you don't know if you can play to live inside your opponents territory, it costs you nothing to toss in a stone and see how it plays out. Once you do that a couple of times, you start leaning to spot when its worthwhile to try it.
@@DaimondRus i thought that might be the case, but I felt i could answer on your question since this still gets linked to many new players and they might read it. Good job on 14k!
Thank you, we are really confused. My friend just allways continue t play even i pass. And he also dont know what he do. So i just also fill the board but the last stone of him just take all white stones from the board... so only black was There. So confusing. Can i also end the game by me? By double passing the turn? Ur how to play it if the oponent just continue to play allways next stone?
which rule set is this? ive only played on online-go.com and i didnt think captured stones were counted as points. also, are my stones on the board not also counted as part of my territory?
H8 initial from white loses to G9 G8 loses to H9 H9 loses to F9 then forced G8 and J8 kills white's potential eye In fact, even G9 loses. Loses to H8 or else I miss something incredibly unlikely.
am i right assuming that "dead stones" conception requires computer calculations to realize that this stones are really dead? how can i be sure in advance without computer?
When you get experienced enough at shapes, you can understand which groups have no way of making eyes and staying alive and which groups have a shot - you don't need a computer once you get more acquainted with the game. At the beginner level, it's quite common to play out and try to save groups that are beyond saving, until the foresight and experience develops more.
Hi! Thanks for the video! Clears up alot but there is this one thing still left open: As long as I just play annoying moves in my opponents territory, like for example black placing stones at b2 and b4 and c1 and then just checks out, he effectively stole white 3 points because its just not worth it for white to capture those, because he would need to place 4+3+3= 11(!) stones in his own territory to capture 3 stones fro me. Is this correct? If so, I would just throw in some stones everywhere my opponent would have to put 2 or more stones to capture my one stone and turn the whole endgame into a total slugfest. Is this how it works? Because this tactic is never covered in any Go-Video or analysis I've seen.
There are three things that can happen when white plays in black's "territory": 1. White plays a move and black doesn't even need to answer it to keep white dead. This doesn't change the territory count at all, and black gets an extra white prisoner. +1 point to black; bad idea for white. 2. White plays a move and black must answer to keep white's stone dead. Black loses one point for playing in their territory, but black also gets a white prisoner. 0 points to either side. Generally, we don't bother playing these moves. 3. White plays a move and black has no answer to kill it. Then, white definitely gets some points from black, but it wasn't really black's territory! Black never needs to play 11 stones to totally capture 3 white stones - he just needs to make sure they don't live.
Greg d'Eon I dont understand how it matters whether the stones are dead or not. it is in whites territory thus taking away a point. if white now kills it by placing 4 stones aroundbit he covers even 4 points in his area thus losing 4 points while getting one prisoner. doesnt it work like that? if it would black would have a dominant strategy
Itn matters whether it is dead or not because that is the rule. Dead stones are considered prisoners unless the player who controls the dead stones can make them alive. If he can't or if they decide not to, they are just removed from the board and counted as prisoners. Whatever isn't alive is taken off the board at the end of the game, no matter where it is
Hey! I just picked up go a couple of days ago and have watched just finished watching your entire beginner series. A few days ago I didn't know the rules for go and now I see when groups are dead or alive, I can recognize strong and weak shapes. I just wanted to thank you for these videos they have been super helpful!
For anyone thinking about getting into go, I highly recommend it. It's one of the most rewarding games i have ever played. I think go is the very perfection of the idea of a game that is easy to learn but impossible to master, without you it would have been so much harder getting started so thank you again!
I've been on the verge of giving up because of being overwhelmed by this game, but your videos break it down really well and your enthusiasm helps. Thank you, man!
Just finished watching the beginner series. Started 2 days ago and with your help I'm already winning some games. Thank you very much for the lessons!
I got hooked on go last week and read (gulped) about 3 beginners book. Played on Crazy Stone a few games but never realy understood when the game was finished. Just placing as many stones until the bitter end. Thanks to your video I finaly understand how to apply the concept of dead and alive. Great explanation. Looking forward to watch all your other video tutorials. Thank you very much.
Thank you so much for a brilliant series! I justr started playing a few days ago, and this series has not only been a great help in understanding basic principles, but has also made me even more excited to play! Great stuff!
I started playing Go a few weeks ago using your video's and it's been really fun and helpful! I tried to learn it before and never got past the semi-permanent confused state. Thanks to you I feel like I have the basics down and can enjoy a small game. Thank you for making these!
Great job with this series. Gave them all a like, and I'm going to continue to follow you.
I only watched your first 3 videos at first, but didn't want to front-load my experience of the game too much. I have been observing go games just to see what I could pick up by watching, and I'm surprised how much of it I picked up through observation that I was able to use in games, but without fully understanding it. I just didn't have words for any of it until I watched your videos, and you totally clarified moves for me that I had already been using (however clumsily). Watching online games can be a bit boring at times, but it will make you better.
Amazing videos. I have improve so much by watching them. Thank you
Wonderful video, answered many questions for me. I'm wondering if you might consider a video, In Sente, that shows static end-of-game board images and ask counting questions, like did white win, or what is the size of blacks territory, etc. Many final board positions (esp 19x19 board) are extremely challenging to see and define territories for beginners. Many "gray areas". Thank you. Sven
Thanks for your great tutorial series. They help a beginner like me a lot. I've watched the whole series twice.
If you have time, can you create more beginner tutorial series on tsumego, tesuji, joseki, game commentaries, etc?
Thank you for this. Playing Go for a couple of months now and could not understand how I could go from being 40 or 50 points ahead to all of a sudden being 20 or 30 behind.I think I understand some of the reasons behind this now. Will watch this video a couple of times in an attempt to get a better understanding of the End Game. thank you so much for this.
You are a very good teacher and communicator.
Best wishes,
Peter
This series is my favorite. Thank you so much!!
Thank you so much! I've been plaing chess for 20 years, but Go has always eluded me. With this course I am starting to see the patterns and beauty of this game. Maybe I'll even win a game after 80 more losses :)
Thankyou for this series! This has helped to answer my questions about this game.
@in sente or anyone please I would like to see a very clear video on how to count for Go the japanese way if not for Weiqi the chinese way. I looked on youtube and could not find someone who would explain it as well as In_sente is at explaining. In Sente you make it so easy to understand the basics.
Nice series. Thanks for doing this!
What other lessons would you like to see?? If you want access to my private discord server for only a few dollars a month, or a host of other rewards, please consider supporting my patreon! www.patreon.com/insente
These are great!
Once we feel like we've got the hang of the skills in the beginner series what do you recommend for continued growth?
What should I think about as I move from a 9x9 board to 19x19?
Wow thank u very much! Idk if u allready made a Video bout differences between the Chinese scoring and the Japanese one, but I would love to see one:)
Thank you for videos, it was really helpfull for me as a beginning player :)
What is the algorithm exactly, bc what if im playing on a regular board. Thanks..
thoroughly enjoy this series and its been very informative. my only critique here is that i dont plan on playing primarily on a computer and there will be no algorithm to help me by automatically taking pieces off or declaring them dead etc
great series, 35 years too late but at least I now know that my brother was wrong with the rules when he failed to get me interested.
Fantastic video
This went from learning to crawl to doing flips blindfolded
I don't understand how top right lived for w after e9. Anyhow thanks for the video, goes over concepts that should become clear to any beginner as soon as possible.
At 13:42 you mean?, I'm also not sure. I was looking at H8, but then if black plays G9 I don't see a way for white to make two eyes. The same if white goes G9, then black goes H8. If white goes G8, then black can go H9. It's very confusing to me, there's probably something simple I'm missing, but for a video for beginners it should have been explained how the white group lives.
@@sagov9 i dont see a way for black to counter if white g9.
@@hakurou4620 what should white do if black answers g9 with h8? h9 then?
@@sagov9 that's a good point actually...... hm. I'm not great at go. running through a few possibilities in cgoban, it seems it always ends up reducing to bulky 5 in the corner for me, and always with black sente to take the vital point at h9. if white plays h9 before it reduced, black ataris the group.... i think that hane might actually be a solid kill?
Hey sweet I just recommended your play list to a new player a few minutes ago. Remember to add this to your playlist! :)
haha thanks for the reminder!!
This guy is perfect! Congrats! :)
You answered my questions.
I'm trying to sort out the miasma that dictates how any given move is better than another, and I'm still baffled by certain realities beyond my comprehension--say at 15:05 minutes in, why Black doesn't simply take D 5 or 6 instead of fighting for those two stones?-since this seems to completely zone off a section of the board. Is the player then not at the liberty to zone out the rest of the space as if they were dead stones? I'm still baffled.
Also, I'm seeing in my own practice, that if you don't know what you're doing as a new player, your opponent can remove all of your territory by establishing eyes there. I think I'm getting how you can get +1 point by passing once to let your opponent make that mistake.
"The computer will mark it as dead" is well and good, but what if you play on an actual physical board? I will have to play it out or agree on the dead/life status of a given group. The latter being really hard for a beginner. Also, what I still don't get: A single enemy stone in my territory, do I remove it as a prisoner for me AND I get the territory underneath the stone, or will the dead stone simply removed and I only get the territory? If the former, that means the opponent just handed me a prisoner for free.
You get the stone + the territory in Japanese scoring. And yes, by having a dead stone there you’ve gotten an extra stone BECAUSE you passed on your turn.
If you were to both play that stone out, then you would end up probably placing an equal amount of stones to capture it and end up removing some of your territories by covering it with your own pieces. But by passing your turn, you get an extra point for not covering your own territory and just letting the dead stone be seen as dead.
I've played a little and have been to a couple of go meetings before COVID. I'm kinda confused about telling when an eye is false and when it's not. Is it when you place a stone on one of the opponent's eye's border??? I think understanding when an eye is false or when it can be made false would help me big time.
At 4:40 Why wouldn’t white put a stone on A7 and black try and do A6 for one more point ? ….. also your vids taught me great deal . Thank you
Hello, thx for the great videos. One thing that I want know as the beginner player that not covered in this series is how to make a bases? What a general principles for making bases? Can I make a base on the enemy territory in some cases? If yes, how many space I need to safety make a base? If the players completely separates the board (especially big boards) with the lines of stones just through the center, is this a end, or players may try to make a bases?
If your opponent has a line through the middle, so half the board is theirs, you can still try to make a base inside his territory, yes. As insente says here, if you don't know if you can play to live inside your opponents territory, it costs you nothing to toss in a stone and see how it plays out. Once you do that a couple of times, you start leaning to spot when its worthwhile to try it.
@@hakurou4620 Thanks for answer, at this time I am already 14k since this post, so I am already know, how to make a base :)
@@DaimondRus i thought that might be the case, but I felt i could answer on your question since this still gets linked to many new players and they might read it. Good job on 14k!
Thank you, we are really confused. My friend just allways continue t play even i pass. And he also dont know what he do. So i just also fill the board but the last stone of him just take all white stones from the board... so only black was There. So confusing. Can i also end the game by me? By double passing the turn? Ur how to play it if the oponent just continue to play allways next stone?
Ugh. I have such a hard time with this part.
which rule set is this? ive only played on online-go.com and i didnt think captured stones were counted as points. also, are my stones on the board not also counted as part of my territory?
New to go. Just watched this playlist and it is very good so thank you very much. What is the proper defense for white at 14:00? G9?
H8 initial from white loses to G9
G8 loses to H9
H9 loses to F9 then forced G8 and J8 kills white's potential eye
In fact, even G9 loses. Loses to H8 or else I miss something incredibly unlikely.
Rzeczpospolita dlya Cosmopolita thank you for the response. So is there no way to defend as white besides initially seeing E9 before black does?
how to count score after game ends.
yes, but what if we don't have a computer. how we reconcile each other disagreement.
am i right assuming that "dead stones" conception requires computer calculations to realize that this stones are really dead? how can i be sure in advance without computer?
When you get experienced enough at shapes, you can understand which groups have no way of making eyes and staying alive and which groups have a shot - you don't need a computer once you get more acquainted with the game. At the beginner level, it's quite common to play out and try to save groups that are beyond saving, until the foresight and experience develops more.
What go software do you use?
Now it all makes sense! this is where I kept losing playing against AI because I didn't understand how it ended.
The top right corner was dead
Hi! Thanks for the video! Clears up alot but there is this one thing still left open:
As long as I just play annoying moves in my opponents territory, like for example black placing stones at b2 and b4 and c1 and then just checks out, he effectively stole white 3 points because its just not worth it for white to capture those, because he would need to place 4+3+3= 11(!) stones in his own territory to capture 3 stones fro me. Is this correct? If so, I would just throw in some stones everywhere my opponent would have to put 2 or more stones to capture my one stone and turn the whole endgame into a total slugfest.
Is this how it works? Because this tactic is never covered in any Go-Video or analysis I've seen.
There are three things that can happen when white plays in black's "territory":
1. White plays a move and black doesn't even need to answer it to keep white dead. This doesn't change the territory count at all, and black gets an extra white prisoner. +1 point to black; bad idea for white.
2. White plays a move and black must answer to keep white's stone dead. Black loses one point for playing in their territory, but black also gets a white prisoner. 0 points to either side. Generally, we don't bother playing these moves.
3. White plays a move and black has no answer to kill it. Then, white definitely gets some points from black, but it wasn't really black's territory!
Black never needs to play 11 stones to totally capture 3 white stones - he just needs to make sure they don't live.
Greg d'Eon I dont understand how it matters whether the stones are dead or not. it is in whites territory thus taking away a point. if white now kills it by placing 4 stones aroundbit he covers even 4 points in his area thus losing 4 points while getting one prisoner. doesnt it work like that? if it would black would have a dominant strategy
Itn matters whether it is dead or not because that is the rule. Dead stones are considered prisoners unless the player who controls the dead stones can make them alive. If he can't or if they decide not to, they are just removed from the board and counted as prisoners. Whatever isn't alive is taken off the board at the end of the game, no matter where it is
In Sente Aaaah^^ that is an important thing to know. I did not know that because apparently it seems so basic that noone is mentioning it...
Stones that are dead already are still considered prisoners.........right?
Yeah i was wondering that too. You CAN capture them for points. And then score the territory. I guess thats how its work
Yes. That is correct
Even though u didn’t capture them, if there dead, it’s still dead
If it were to put the white movement in the d7 before putting the black in d 8, turn it to fit and take it
Did you go over Seki?
Nah, I think that would be too much of an information overload haha.
If put the black in the C6 will put the white in the B5 and will put the black in. D5
The first is white in E4 and then the black will be put in the D5 or C6
Now here comes the deadly motion, but this is when the trap
Put White in the G4 and you know the rest
Then the white should put in the F6 and put the black in the E6
We approached
Wait for how
If put the black in the F5 will put the white in the H3
The white should put in the h4 then it will put the black in the h5
You may find my words vague but I do not know English I use Google translate I only know Arabic
But if your opponent is a professional, it is impossible for him to succeed
noo Ican see
I cant
the end
Then he will swallow the bait
no no no
Iam from Iraq
White will win
great series, 35 years too late but at least I now know that my brother was wrong with the rules when he failed to get me interested.