Thanks for this great breakdown between these popular mini amps. I got the Wiim amp some time back to pair with a pair of Q Acoustic speakers for my study, to say I’ve been happy is a understatement. So easy to use, sounds great, and just works flawlessly. The price! Bargain! All the best with your channel.
With a huge reflective panel (the TV) between speakers it's not about a "great separation" but rather about a great sound editor work IMHO. I like that you pay attention on a vocal-instrument separation, sir. For me this is the main spec for an amplifier to call it "a great one". Especially this pays for D-class amplifiers. Very good.
I was about to check out your other videos after watching this one, and then you said that this was the first one! Wow you fooled me. Great to become subscriber 45.
I did consider the Sonos amp but went with the Powernode instead. I ran them with B&w 707 s2 I loved how they sounded. My brother has 704 s2 at the time he tried the Powernode he was impressed with the power it didn't have enough detail for him
A very interesting addition from Unifi. I'm assuming that they collaborated with a third party on the amp design, but it seems odd that a company which targets professional integrators and 'prosumer' home installations would accept that heat envelope from the final product. I'm not sure if a firmware update would fix the issue but it would be great to see a teardown of the Poweramp. Thanks for the video.
It is interesting. The Sonos Amp and Bluesound Powernode have clear vents for passive ventilation. The WiiM feels like one giant metal heatsink. The Unifi PowerAmp just seems like a big block of plastic! There are no holes, and it gets pretty hot even with the latest firmware.
Great video! Perfect amount of info and good testing between the models. This seems like the best video anyone has made so far to compare them all. My house is using all all WiiM. I had gotten mine before Ubiquiti came out with their amp, but I still would have had to go with WiiM because Sonos and UniFi Amp dont support Android phones general casting, they only support Spotify on Android which doesnt work for so many people, myself included. WiiM is the only option out of these 4 that support Google Cast/Chromecast :( One thing I did notice is that the two newest products from WiiM do NOT support Airplay on them, which is really strange. I hope they get it in the future as it is so disappointing to suddenly have the one company that supported all phones stop supporting iPhone casting on new stuff.
Yes exactly, Chromecast on Android is excellent and the WiiM Amp Pro doesn't do Airplay which is very interesting. You're also right about the lack of music services outside of Spotify on the Unifi PowerAmp. I could use my TV for the music services I use but that's really not as practical and not an option that everyone will have.
Been hoping for a comparison like this. Watched this on my TV with Wiim Amp connected to a Unifi network. Gotta agree that the Wiim's detail is impressive at the price but it seems anemic in some situations. I really like the software (Chromecast and Tidal user), so I'm tempted to get an Ultra with a separate amp.
Didn’t know Power Node can do Surround !!! I was just experimenting with 2 Sonys amp in my office TV room - hmmm. Also I think WiiM can do two amps and use one for Left and another for Right for those tricky installs - I only have one so I have not tested it myself.
@@kotec1234 typically, I wouldn't say it is worth switching if you already have a Sonos Amp. Audio quality is of course subjective and personally I do enjoy the sound of the Unifi PowerAmp a little more for sure, but it probably also depends on what speakers you are using and how important that is for you.
Funny thing is I've actually gone from my Powernode to a Sonos arc with a sub. Sound quality for music my B&w are in a different league as expected but the arc is definitely better for movies. The issue I have is since I got married I never have time for music other than in my car so we just watch movies that's why I moved to Sonos for a better movie experience
That is really interesting. I'm pretty delulu for thinking that I listen to music in my Living Room, it really is mainly TV and Movies here since I got married too. But on the flip side, I loved making this review as I got to listen to music on my sofa which was good fun, and musical elements in film are always really enjoyable. I think about your combination of Powernode and 707 S2 and I can understand the warm tone is probably not ideal for dialogue and subtlety hence Arc + Sub being more suitable for you. I think my Monitor Audios may be a touch brighter.
Unfortunately no longer available, but the WXA-50 from Yamaha with the icePower amplifiers was one of the best. A still available alternative is the XDA-QS5400 and XDA-AMP5400 from Yamaha!
hello there, does someone know, if there all got the Texas Instruments "tpa3255" Class D inside ? and does the Marantz M1 also got the tpa3255 ? so they would be """the same product"""" thx
Very interesting, I wonder if you can help. I’m looking for the best way to play music from a NAS probably with Plex that is simple and easy to allow my non technical wife to play music
Sonos has native integration with Plex so if that's the way you play music this is probably the best choice. You can also Plex to WiiM via Chromecast or share your Plex music library to Bluesound via a file share.
The Sonos amp has eARC, but I wouldn't trust the Tidal app on your Sony TV anyway. Also the Sonos amp doesn't support Tidal Connect. You might have been using Sonos Connect which is not quite the same and I'm not sure if the quality is degraded Good video though, I'm intrigued by the Unifi amp
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video! You're absolutely right, the Sonos doesn't strictly do 'Tidal Connect'. Sonos Connect is pretty similar but limited to the bitrates which Sonos supports i.e. no 24/192, it tops out around lossless CD Quality. The Sonos Amp doesn't do eARC though, I think the only Sonos products with eARC are the Arc, Arc Ultra and Beam Gen2 (Sonos Amp and Beam Gen1 are just ARC). The Tidal App on my TV may not be perfect, but it was certainly useful as a baseline for comparison and to get music playing on the Unifi PowerAmp without Airplay compression.
@@audioflow You're right about Sonos Amp being ARC only, my bad. I was confusing it with the Sonos Beam (I own both the amp and the Beam). Even more reason not to use the Sony TV app as you will be listening to compressed Tidal. Curious where you are getting the specs on Sonos Connect. The majority of the time it doesn't work for me anyway. I would just use the native Sonos app to test Tidal sound quality.
@@keungy I did actually test using the native Tidal service within the Sonos app as well, but couldn't hear any difference between that and Sonos Connect so just went back to the Tidal app so it was easier to switch between different amps. Worked pretty reliably for me.
Sure you can, but that doesn't give you any HPF (High Pass Filter) function on your main speakers and LPF (Low Pass Filter) for the Sub out which means you're still driving your speakers full range. You probably want to relieve them of the low end near their limit for the best integration. Also it's so much more convenient to be able to control this all from the app while you are in your listening position.
@@audioflow You're right about HPF on main speaker... on PA subs we use you have all settings in hardware on the sub, and once you system is correctly equalized, there is no more need to touch it. So it's a 1 time thing at installation.
Nice. I don't have much experience with PA unfortunately but I do expect at that kind of pro level you would probably have HPF on the mixing stage? On the Unifi PowerAmp without the HPF you can probably get it sounding ok, but it'll be a lot more work and fine tuning which is not what you want in the all-in-one < $1000 domestic mini system demographic these amplifiers are aimed at. Thanks a lot for pointing this out though, using the controls on the sub is a good point! My workflow would usually be to get the controls on the sub roughly +20% of where I want them and then fine tune this down in software from the listening position.
@@audioflow Well, I'm comparing to the Sonos Sub, witch are another way to add bass... They are pretty decent, but IMHO too expensive for what they offer. You can find PA subs from good HiFi brands at roughly 30 to 50% less than the big sub of Sonos... with a much better sound than the Sonos Mini Sub. That said, in simple systems, you're gonna be totally >$1000. An Amp is costing here (Europe) $880 + a good pair of speakers, for example in-ceiling (B&W would be $600 to $1200, Sonance would be around $800 / 900, and we're talking roughly similar prices in other brands with architectural speakers) + a Sub ($880 for big Sonos or $450 / 600 for other brand). So we're talking $2 to 2.5K for 1 zone with subwoofer. It's true that if the 'main' speakers have small and limited bass unit, you'll need an HPF on those to not destroy them or have a very distorded sound. When you use some good speakers with 8" driver (eventually some brands with 6.5" driver) you can just do without HPF IMHO.
Thanks for this great breakdown between these popular mini amps. I got the Wiim amp some time back to pair with a pair of Q Acoustic speakers for my study, to say I’ve been happy is a understatement. So easy to use, sounds great, and just works flawlessly. The price! Bargain!
All the best with your channel.
Great little system!
With a huge reflective panel (the TV) between speakers it's not about a "great separation" but rather about a great sound editor work IMHO.
I like that you pay attention on a vocal-instrument separation, sir. For me this is the main spec for an amplifier to call it "a great one". Especially this pays for D-class amplifiers. Very good.
Nicely done. I'm considering all these amps and one of the best overviews I've found.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.
Just what i was looking for. Good job on your first video, would like to see more from you.
Thank you!
I was about to check out your other videos after watching this one, and then you said that this was the first one! Wow you fooled me. Great to become subscriber 45.
Thank you for your kind words!
Awesome comparison, I learned a lot! Appreciate your expertise here!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great Reviews, Looking forward to your next one 🤓
Subbed, looking forward to seeing more uploads, well done
Thank you
I did consider the Sonos amp but went with the Powernode instead. I ran them with B&w 707 s2 I loved how they sounded. My brother has 704 s2 at the time he tried the Powernode he was impressed with the power it didn't have enough detail for him
Awesome video. FYI, you need to isolate your mic from the table in the intro. The vibrations were coming through my sub.
Yes was using the desktop stand for my mic on the floor, wasn't ideal
A very interesting addition from Unifi. I'm assuming that they collaborated with a third party on the amp design, but it seems odd that a company which targets professional integrators and 'prosumer' home installations would accept that heat envelope from the final product. I'm not sure if a firmware update would fix the issue but it would be great to see a teardown of the Poweramp. Thanks for the video.
It is interesting. The Sonos Amp and Bluesound Powernode have clear vents for passive ventilation. The WiiM feels like one giant metal heatsink. The Unifi PowerAmp just seems like a big block of plastic! There are no holes, and it gets pretty hot even with the latest firmware.
Nice review but what about the Marantz model M1
Thank you!
Great video! Perfect amount of info and good testing between the models. This seems like the best video anyone has made so far to compare them all.
My house is using all all WiiM. I had gotten mine before Ubiquiti came out with their amp, but I still would have had to go with WiiM because Sonos and UniFi Amp dont support Android phones general casting, they only support Spotify on Android which doesnt work for so many people, myself included. WiiM is the only option out of these 4 that support Google Cast/Chromecast :(
One thing I did notice is that the two newest products from WiiM do NOT support Airplay on them, which is really strange. I hope they get it in the future as it is so disappointing to suddenly have the one company that supported all phones stop supporting iPhone casting on new stuff.
Yes exactly, Chromecast on Android is excellent and the WiiM Amp Pro doesn't do Airplay which is very interesting. You're also right about the lack of music services outside of Spotify on the Unifi PowerAmp. I could use my TV for the music services I use but that's really not as practical and not an option that everyone will have.
Great video. Thanks for the information.
Been hoping for a comparison like this. Watched this on my TV with Wiim Amp connected to a Unifi network. Gotta agree that the Wiim's detail is impressive at the price but it seems anemic in some situations. I really like the software (Chromecast and Tidal user), so I'm tempted to get an Ultra with a separate amp.
Good Job! It would be great to throw the Marantz M1 to that comparison.
Yes the Marantz M1 would be interesting to compare although it is already a pretty long video!
I'd be interested in knowing how the Bluesound compares to the Marantz because they are priced similarly
Didn’t know Power Node can do Surround !!! I was just experimenting with 2 Sonys amp in my office TV room - hmmm. Also I think WiiM can do two amps and use one for Left and another for Right for those tricky installs - I only have one so I have not tested it myself.
Nice video overall! I’m a basic music streamer from an iPhone and it doesn’t seem worth upgrading to the unifi power amp from my Sonos amp?
@@kotec1234 typically, I wouldn't say it is worth switching if you already have a Sonos Amp. Audio quality is of course subjective and personally I do enjoy the sound of the Unifi PowerAmp a little more for sure, but it probably also depends on what speakers you are using and how important that is for you.
Funny thing is I've actually gone from my Powernode to a Sonos arc with a sub. Sound quality for music my B&w are in a different league as expected but the arc is definitely better for movies. The issue I have is since I got married I never have time for music other than in my car so we just watch movies that's why I moved to Sonos for a better movie experience
That is really interesting. I'm pretty delulu for thinking that I listen to music in my Living Room, it really is mainly TV and Movies here since I got married too. But on the flip side, I loved making this review as I got to listen to music on my sofa which was good fun, and musical elements in film are always really enjoyable. I think about your combination of Powernode and 707 S2 and I can understand the warm tone is probably not ideal for dialogue and subtlety hence Arc + Sub being more suitable for you. I think my Monitor Audios may be a touch brighter.
Unfortunately no longer available, but the WXA-50 from Yamaha with the icePower amplifiers was one of the best.
A still available alternative is the XDA-QS5400 and XDA-AMP5400 from Yamaha!
Damn, I didn't know the WXA-50 was discontinued. I've used those on a project once and thought it was pretty cool!
hello there, does someone know, if there all got the Texas Instruments "tpa3255" Class D inside ? and does the Marantz M1 also got the tpa3255 ? so they would be """the same product"""" thx
Very interesting, I wonder if you can help. I’m looking for the best way to play music from a NAS probably with Plex that is simple and easy to allow my non technical wife to play music
Sonos has native integration with Plex so if that's the way you play music this is probably the best choice. You can also Plex to WiiM via Chromecast or share your Plex music library to Bluesound via a file share.
Awesome!
Thanks!
The Sonos amp has eARC, but I wouldn't trust the Tidal app on your Sony TV anyway. Also the Sonos amp doesn't support Tidal Connect. You might have been using Sonos Connect which is not quite the same and I'm not sure if the quality is degraded
Good video though, I'm intrigued by the Unifi amp
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video! You're absolutely right, the Sonos doesn't strictly do 'Tidal Connect'. Sonos Connect is pretty similar but limited to the bitrates which Sonos supports i.e. no 24/192, it tops out around lossless CD Quality. The Sonos Amp doesn't do eARC though, I think the only Sonos products with eARC are the Arc, Arc Ultra and Beam Gen2 (Sonos Amp and Beam Gen1 are just ARC). The Tidal App on my TV may not be perfect, but it was certainly useful as a baseline for comparison and to get music playing on the Unifi PowerAmp without Airplay compression.
@@audioflow You're right about Sonos Amp being ARC only, my bad. I was confusing it with the Sonos Beam (I own both the amp and the Beam). Even more reason not to use the Sony TV app as you will be listening to compressed Tidal.
Curious where you are getting the specs on Sonos Connect. The majority of the time it doesn't work for me anyway. I would just use the native Sonos app to test Tidal sound quality.
@@keungy I did actually test using the native Tidal service within the Sonos app as well, but couldn't hear any difference between that and Sonos Connect so just went back to the Tidal app so it was easier to switch between different amps. Worked pretty reliably for me.
Unifi amp and subwoofer out: you select the frequency cut / slope / volume on the active Sub or on the Sub power amp... You don't need it in the app!
Sure you can, but that doesn't give you any HPF (High Pass Filter) function on your main speakers and LPF (Low Pass Filter) for the Sub out which means you're still driving your speakers full range. You probably want to relieve them of the low end near their limit for the best integration. Also it's so much more convenient to be able to control this all from the app while you are in your listening position.
@@audioflow You're right about HPF on main speaker... on PA subs we use you have all settings in hardware on the sub, and once you system is correctly equalized, there is no more need to touch it. So it's a 1 time thing at installation.
Nice. I don't have much experience with PA unfortunately but I do expect at that kind of pro level you would probably have HPF on the mixing stage? On the Unifi PowerAmp without the HPF you can probably get it sounding ok, but it'll be a lot more work and fine tuning which is not what you want in the all-in-one < $1000 domestic mini system demographic these amplifiers are aimed at. Thanks a lot for pointing this out though, using the controls on the sub is a good point! My workflow would usually be to get the controls on the sub roughly +20% of where I want them and then fine tune this down in software from the listening position.
@@audioflow Well, I'm comparing to the Sonos Sub, witch are another way to add bass... They are pretty decent, but IMHO too expensive for what they offer. You can find PA subs from good HiFi brands at roughly 30 to 50% less than the big sub of Sonos... with a much better sound than the Sonos Mini Sub.
That said, in simple systems, you're gonna be totally >$1000. An Amp is costing here (Europe) $880 + a good pair of speakers, for example in-ceiling (B&W would be $600 to $1200, Sonance would be around $800 / 900, and we're talking roughly similar prices in other brands with architectural speakers) + a Sub ($880 for big Sonos or $450 / 600 for other brand). So we're talking $2 to 2.5K for 1 zone with subwoofer.
It's true that if the 'main' speakers have small and limited bass unit, you'll need an HPF on those to not destroy them or have a very distorded sound. When you use some good speakers with 8" driver (eventually some brands with 6.5" driver) you can just do without HPF IMHO.
Hi there is a new player the marantz M 1
BLABLA...
No Chromecast = not interested.
From a fellow green bubble enthusiast, I totally get this!